Need advice-wife thinks I'm loosing it

[amadeus]

Ciao,

I would really appreciate if you have any advice or experiences about how to deal with your loved ones when they don't understand you with "this stuff".

To make a long story short: My wife has been a little bit annoyed with me reading and watching this "awakening to the truth" stuff. And I've been very careful not to force ideas upon her.The other day she asked casually/sarcastically:"So what conspiracies have you been reading about today?" Without thinking too much about how it would sound to her i replied: "Oh, I've just been reading and trying to understand what really happened during the alleged holocaust..." As you can guess, this caused a huge fight between us. Don't need to go into details, but I'll just say that my wife was totally shocked and said that THAT is something you CAN NOT question. I tried to explain that I just wanted to research and get to the facts, and that it is wrong to put people in jail just because they have questions about the h.c. Oh, just trying to explain and talk f.ex. about the Zionists just made things worse...

Ok, so now my wife thinks I'm crazy and probably a new-nazi. What to do?

[masonic3]

Ciao,

I would really appreciate if you have any advice or experiences about how to deal with your loved ones when they don't understand you with "this stuff".

To make a long story short: My wife has been a little bit annoyed with me reading and watching this "awakening to the truth" stuff. And I've been very careful not to force ideas upon her.The other day she asked casually/sarcastically:"So what conspiracies have you been reading about today?" Without thinking too much about how it would sound to her i replied: "Oh, I've just been reading and trying to understand what really happened during the alleged holocaust..." As you can guess, this caused a huge fight between us. Don't need to go into details, but I'll just say that my wife was totally shocked and said that THAT is something you CAN NOT question. I tried to explain that I just wanted to research and get to the facts, and that it is wrong to put people in jail just because they have questions about the h.c. Oh, just trying to explain and talk f.ex. about the Zionists just made things worse...

Ok, so now my wife thinks I'm crazy and probably a new-nazi. What to do?

Perhaps you are mad?!

[Anders Lindman]

I think many people want to have stability in their lives, and conspiracy information, even when it's true, can then feel very threatening to that stability.

[Anders Lindman]

Perhaps you are mad?!

That's a good point. Many people don't want other people to think about their husband or wife as a 'conspiracy nutcase'.

[tru3]

Ciao,

I would really appreciate if you have any advice or experiences about how to deal with your loved ones when they don't understand you with "this stuff".

To make a long story short: My wife has been a little bit annoyed with me reading and watching this "awakening to the truth" stuff. And I've been very careful not to force ideas upon her.The other day she asked casually/sarcastically:"So what conspiracies have you been reading about today?" Without thinking too much about how it would sound to her i replied: "Oh, I've just been reading and trying to understand what really happened during the alleged holocaust..." As you can guess, this caused a huge fight between us. Don't need to go into details, but I'll just say that my wife was totally shocked and said that THAT is something you CAN NOT question. I tried to explain that I just wanted to research and get to the facts, and that it is wrong to put people in jail just because they have questions about the h.c. Oh, just trying to explain and talk f.ex. about the Zionists just made things worse...

Ok, so now my wife thinks I'm crazy and probably a new-nazi. What to do?


hoo boy. i feel for ya, my friend.

i got married to my first wife at 19. what i found, over time, was that i had a specific agenda for getting married to her so young. i won't bore you with the details, but suffice to say that as i matured, i found that agenda no longer served me. like most of us, i did the best i could with the knowledge and beliefs i had at the time.

i began to grow in a different direction than her. i tried to make it work for a long, long, time, but in the end i had to go my separate way. it happens.

imho, since you asked, i doubt you will ever be able to do much to change her mind. from what i can tell from your post, just based on the intensity of her reaction, you've got a difficult situation to resolve.

you're not responsible for the way she feels; the only thing you can be responsible for is how you choose to live and what you focus consciousness on.

my advice would be to sit down with her, and give her a chance to explain how she feels. get it all out on the table. let her spew until she's done. keep asking "what else bothers you about this?".

we're almost never upset for the reason we think.

there's a really great book on this process, although it's extremely powerful. be forewarned.

http://gettingtheloveyouwant.com/

you may be surprised at what comes up. in my own life, my 2nd wife has complained to me that she was annoyed about how much time i've been spending on the forum (950 posts! c'mon! get a life! lol :rolleyes: ).

after sitting down and talking with her, she admitted that she felt a little insecure about having a part of my life that gave me joy (by being of service and sharing personal truth with all you lovely people :) ) that she felt left out, and that it brought up how stuck she was in focusing on her professional career. when she felt safe enough and like i was really hearing her, she admitted that she was a little jealous and maybe needed to get a life, too!

so, with a little probing, this could be a healing situation for your relationship.

if both parties are willing to look at it. hope this helps. :o

[freespark]

Ciao,

I would really appreciate if you have any advice or experiences about how to deal with your loved ones when they don't understand you with "this stuff".

To make a long story short: My wife has been a little bit annoyed with me reading and watching this "awakening to the truth" stuff. And I've been very careful not to force ideas upon her.The other day she asked casually/sarcastically:"So what conspiracies have you been reading about today?" Without thinking too much about how it would sound to her i replied: "Oh, I've just been reading and trying to understand what really happened during the alleged holocaust..." As you can guess, this caused a huge fight between us. Don't need to go into details, but I'll just say that my wife was totally shocked and said that THAT is something you CAN NOT question. I tried to explain that I just wanted to research and get to the facts, and that it is wrong to put people in jail just because they have questions about the h.c. Oh, just trying to explain and talk f.ex. about the Zionists just made things worse...

Ok, so now my wife thinks I'm crazy and probably a new-nazi. What to do?

Hi amadeus,

I'm sorry to hear your wife thinks you are crazy. :) I know how amazingly frustrating it is when we can see through all the lies and bullshit everyday but some can remain so blind. It is worse with loved ones because they should trust us and our sense of judgement which makes it all the more harder to swallow.

A perfect example of how the 'system' holds people in its grasp. People won't even believe someone they love and trust when thier engrained 'official' belief system is challenged.

My advice to you would be to cool it on the conspiracy talk for a while and let your wife find her own way mate. Some people are very very deeply connected to thier curent reality and understandably react very defensively when anyone tries to shake the foundations.

The system policing itself from within. I forget the term Icke used.

[freespark]

I just read your post tru. Good stuff in there..

I like this bit...

hoo boy. i feel for ya, my friend.

.....my advice would be to sit down with her, and give her a chance to explain how she feels. get it all out on the table. let her spew until she's done. keep asking "what else bothers you about this?".

we're almost never upset for the reason we thinkVery good advice.

;)

[joy division]

Som will do anything to defend the "system" or "Society" as there life depends on this structure and can not see that maybe we are lied to on such a large scal and that truths are kept from us.

[tinmenace]

Yeah this is a difficult one. My entire family thinks I'm nuts, and my husband used to have the very same reaction. Similar to your wife, kinda heated outbursts.

So, one day I asked him if he thought I was stupid. And he said no, and complimented me. My next question to him was "if you think so highly of me, then how can you doubt me on this?...do you really think I"m stupid enough to be sucked into something without knowing what I'm getting myself into?...Why do you think I have tons of books stacked everywhere....why is my nose always in a book or doing research online?...do you really think I'm just following other people's ideas blindly?"

He then saw that his misunderstanding was ridiculous, and since then, I can see a lot more support from him. He's even agreed to read The Biggest Secret. I told him that if, after reading that book, he still has questions, I'd be happy to offer suggestions on how to find the answers.

My suggestion to you, is that if you love her, don't fight her. You must understand that dogma is a very powerful spell, and it has her mind tightly bound to the point where she doesn't question things. Instead you should help her to free herself. Offer her some food for thought and see how she processes it.

[mcmenek1]

Ciao,

I would really appreciate if you have any advice or experiences about how to deal with your loved ones when they don't understand you with "this stuff".

To make a long story short: My wife has been a little bit annoyed with me reading and watching this "awakening to the truth" stuff. And I've been very careful not to force ideas upon her.The other day she asked casually/sarcastically:"So what conspiracies have you been reading about today?" Without thinking too much about how it would sound to her i replied: "Oh, I've just been reading and trying to understand what really happened during the alleged holocaust..." As you can guess, this caused a huge fight between us. Don't need to go into details, but I'll just say that my wife was totally shocked and said that THAT is something you CAN NOT question. I tried to explain that I just wanted to research and get to the facts, and that it is wrong to put people in jail just because they have questions about the h.c. Oh, just trying to explain and talk f.ex. about the Zionists just made things worse...

Ok, so now my wife thinks I'm crazy and probably a new-nazi. What to do?

Hi amadeus,

It sounds as though you and your wife are on totally different wave lengths, you have woken up to what’s going on and your wife hasn't......you are going in one direction and your wife in another......I’ve been in relationships were this has been the case and it can be very frustrating as you feel that you can't really be yourself or do want you really want to do because of this other person.........

you need to be true to yourself and go in the direction that’s calling you if you don't you will find that life for you will become a frustrating compromise just to keep the peace in your relationship......sometimes we just need to go our separate ways to be true to ourselves and to find the freedom we need to grow in this time of unprecedented change.

Love
&
Peace

[narcolepticwatchman]

we're almost never upset for the reason we think.



This is so true.

I feel for you bud. I'm a single guy and the 'truth' I have realised over the past year is one of the reasons i am still single. I have dated quite a lot of girls since I have been single and to be honest, I haven't met one who I feel comfortable sharing this information with which makes me think there is no point carrying on seeing them. I don't want to have to live a dual life. Relationships need to be honest and if your partner thinks you are crazy because of your beliefs and can't understand your viewpoint then I would say the relationship is destined to fail.

Icke summed it up when he said, for some people, the jump between the movie version of events and reality is too great. (or something like that)

[amadeus]

my advice would be to sit down with her, and give her a chance to explain how she feels. get it all out on the table. let her spew until she's done. keep asking "what else bothers you about this?".
....

we're almost never upset for the reason we think.

...
after sitting down and talking with her, she admitted that she felt a little insecure about having a part of my life that gave me joy (by being of service and sharing personal truth with all you lovely people :) ) that she felt left out, and that it brought up how stuck she was in focusing on her professional career. when she felt safe enough and like i was really hearing her, she admitted that she was a little jealous and maybe needed to get a life, too!

so, with a little probing, this could be a healing situation for your relationship.

if both parties are willing to look at it. hope this helps. :o

Thanks for those thoughts. Thank you fot taking this seriously tru3.My wife is also very focused on her career, and I think she is scared to admit that there's more to life than meets the eye. That said I must tell you that she does for example believe in LOA (we've watched 'The Secret' together) and one day she wanted to watch the '911 Mysteries'-dvd. So she is aware of lot of stuff. But she doesn't doubt the official historybooks and certainly does not believe in grand scale conspiracies and that there's in todays world evil people who can murder millions of people without remorse. And the h.c. thing was just too much and too early. I hope that some day we can talk about it.

So I'm not on a crusade here to make my wife believe in everything I believe in. That would certainly serve no point. And I certainly don't think everybody should become as obsessed(yes, I admit it) with this as I am. It would just be nice to talk about world events wihtout having the word 'conspiracy-theory' popping in in every sentence.

And yes, masonic3, I think that my ego was messing with me, saying: "You can't let her accuse you like this...". Must try to keep that false me under surveillance :) I think I also got scared to see my wife coming with the usual mainstream debunking arguments...the word mindcontrol(TV & Newspapers) even crept into my mind...

So I think I'll keep the "conspiracy-stuff" under a lid for a while. Haha, I wonder what she would think if I talked about the reptilian-theories! I'll also take a good long talk about it, not arguing, just listening as suggested.

stayin low for a while :cool:

[amadeus]

Thanks for the support guys! This could prove to be the yet most important thread in my life.

Maybe the secret lies in taking baby steps, baby steps....with the information.

[truthsupplier]

My Halfside (wife of twenty years), has listened to me enough she is often able to finish my sentences on certain subjects... as I would have voiced them. This does not however exclaim that she "believes" all I say, just can`t deny anymore that most of it is "grasping at the obvious" on the Agenda, it`s implications and its implementation, on We The People.

The idea of the small steps is a very good one. I have driven multiple "friends" and "relations" from my list of available associates from atop the "soapbox"... and the fact I could have gone about things in a softer, gentler manner was over-ridden by my enthusiasm in the fact the information was available, and I believed everybody should know. I have "stubbed my toes" too many times for it to bother me now, and criticism is given opportunity to voice the opinion (especially by those who really don`t care) and I can`t let "feelings be hurt", rather another lesson learned.

Personal rhetoric mind you, my wife is also a Professional (Masters in Child Psychology, Unit Manager in a Children`s Home for the abused and neglected). I don`t tell her how to handle the children, she "avoids" subjects she would rather not concentrate on right then... smart gal, I didn`t marry an idiot.

The idea of synchronicity holds weight... when she is supposed to know, you will be able to instruct her on the finer points and aid her growth without the "shock factor" which showed you your "soapbox". Patience, patience, patience...

[smoking oceanus]

My mum and step dad are probably awarer that im into weid stuff, but i never talk to them about it becuase i know we would just argue. Even though they are lovley caring people, they are acually Bush supporters becuase they have allowed themselves to believe the Muslim world will bomb everybody if nothings done about it.

Sometimes i would plant little seeds like, how the media and advertisng uses fear to push a certain point of view, but i only do it when it happens and i can prove it. Sometimes they can understand that.

[auron]

I feel for you bud. I'm a single guy and the 'truth' I have realised over the past year is one of the reasons i am still single. I have dated quite a lot of girls since I have been single and to be honest, I haven't met one who I feel comfortable sharing this information with which makes me think there is no point carrying on seeing them. I don't want to have to live a dual life. Relationships need to be honest and if your partner thinks you are crazy because of your beliefs and can't understand your viewpoint then I would say the relationship is destined to fail.

I'm in the same club mate! I've been single for 3 years, and It's next to impossible to find a girl in my area who would truly understand me! And when i do come across one that understands it all, she has a boyfriend! Ah well, i know one day I'll find her though. Probably in some other country that is more enlightened than England!

Auron :)

[adramelech]

An important rule of thumb to keep in mind here - don't take it personally. Granted, that bit of advice applies to most everything, but it's especially pertinent here. When a loved one or someone close to us has a typical hysteric/angry reaction upon hearing a certain subject, bit of information or trigger word, it's easy for us to imagine that they are feeling something directed towards you when they aren't. Programmed behaviour is programmed behaviour - it doesn't take into account emotion, love, bonding or any kind of relationship, it's automatic and absolute. When they insult you, it's psychological projection - they are insulting themselves for their own stubborn beliefs. Indeed, people are virtually never mad for the reasons they tell themselves on the surface.

Although most free thinkers have been so since childhood and never fell victim to programming, obviously many have and later recovered. Programming can be systematically broken down and you can do it without even trying when that certain time comes in your life. However, programming can never be forcibly broken, it's a matter of free will. Trying to convince a programmed individual of contrary information is, at best, simply programming them with a new set of rules. They need to learn to function without a little set of rules, as free people, and that requires time and understanding.

Programming from an expert:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/persuaders/interviews/rapaille.html

Nice quote there to start off. ;)

[deano]

Ciao,

I would really appreciate if you have any advice or experiences about how to deal with your loved ones when they don't understand you with "this stuff".

To make a long story short: My wife has been a little bit annoyed with me reading and watching this "awakening to the truth" stuff. And I've been very careful not to force ideas upon her.The other day she asked casually/sarcastically:"So what conspiracies have you been reading about today?" Without thinking too much about how it would sound to her i replied: "Oh, I've just been reading and trying to understand what really happened during the alleged holocaust..." As you can guess, this caused a huge fight between us. Don't need to go into details, but I'll just say that my wife was totally shocked and said that THAT is something you CAN NOT question. I tried to explain that I just wanted to research and get to the facts, and that it is wrong to put people in jail just because they have questions about the h.c. Oh, just trying to explain and talk f.ex. about the Zionists just made things worse...

Ok, so now my wife thinks I'm crazy and probably a new-nazi. What to do?

tell her to getstuffed. or teach her about unconditional love

[john white]

Thanks for the support guys! This could prove to be the yet most important thread in my life.

Maybe the secret lies in taking baby steps, baby steps....with the information.

Hi Amadeus: hold that thought for a moment mate

I don't reckon anyones really leveled with you yet about this problem (not meaning any offense to anyone): but I reckon you need to know that of all the truth seekers I've known for a long time, theres not many who havnt faced this problem before

I'd like to suggest to you that the answer to your situation is not dribbling information under your partner/wifes nose in an effort to get her to think the same as you do: if anything, forcing information onto her (which if she had a mind to, any attempt to "engange" her could be seen as) could swiftly escalate the issue and drive you appart

I'd suggest that the real heart of the matter here is precisely that: how the love betweeen you is expressed and manifests. Straight away you give the impression that her love for you is being strained by you exploring ideas that are unknown or challenging to her: effectively, what I understand from that is that your relationship is conditional: its not "i love you for the uniqeness that you are": its "I love you becuase you operate within acceptable parameters". giving it to you straight, this is what you need to address: if you do, whatever you think, or do, will be irrelevant to the health of your relationship: if you don't you'll paaper a crack for a while abnd then the whole thing will spring open, probably more severe than before, and ultimately either a split is inevitable, or you'll be pulling closed the bolts from the inside on your own prison because of your fear of losing her: ironic considering that she's never belonged to you, yes? Free will is inviloate: none of us ever owns another: though we may spin the illusion that we do

I'd reccomend dropping the holocaust revision research (its a diverting dead end by and large anyway) and starting a new line of research. Start with stuff like the "celestine prophecy" (james redfield) and start to understand control dramas: Icke's "I am me i am free" also contains some of the best chapters ever written on this kind of problem (pm me if you need some help there). Then, instead of starting a cofnrontational conversation with your wife along the lines of "our relationship is wrong becuase of...(w,y,z)", examine yourself: understand your own needs , explore your subconcious experctations... and consciously release her from them: give her more freedom, more encouragment, improve her quality of life... then you will be in a position to find out if she is capable of reciprocating and if your relationship can move forward to "another level":

If not: leave her, for the sake of loving her. It will be far kinder and less painful than any of the alternative

Sorry to give you tough advise, and you both can, will and must do what's right for you: I hope you understand my POV of giving it you straight and not shirking my responsibility to offer what I beleive I know

Regards, John

[john white]

tell her to getstuffed. or teach her about unconditional love

Ok, thats kind of what I said: but its not how it has to be

[king]

Thanks for the support guys! This could prove to be the yet most important thread in my life.

Maybe the secret lies in taking baby steps, baby steps....with the information.


Yes, that is the key.

I ran into same situation with my wife.

she thought i am crazy, my mother and my sister did too.

I am glad that i have past that stage.


they could not understand my "obsession" with chemtrailing of the skies and other conspiracy research.

but, at one point of time iv had it with them -- i told them that i do not give a damn what they think, and that this is very important to me because it affects us all.
fast forward to now.... now they can see chemtrails and they do not question conspiracy.

problem is, it is very difficult when you begin to shake the cradle of (fake) safety of your loved ones. and, just by reading something that is not P.C. -- you can make their sh#t freeze. you, especially if you are a father/mother/provider become a threat, a major threat to their security and safety.

but, when what you said then (planted seeds) later comes true -- your credibility is improved and their resistance to your ideas is lowered.

the time comes when they will have to accept what you are saying, because they begin to see that you are not stupid/crazy but well informed.

my problem was that i was trying to shove what i learned on just about everyone.

now, i wait for the opportunity, then i unleash it, with great confidence.

muahaha

[auron]

Take a chill pill man :)

[them]

I don't wish to tackle your case specifically amadeus. John Whites sturdy hypothesis boxes that off.

If you wish to see somebody question an issue with hardwired programing, like the holocaust, you could try asserting the reality of two contradictory truths within the programing onto them.

I don't know much about the holocaust so can't help there. I'm sure somebody can though?

Holocaust Writing and the Limits of Influence (http://www.speedyshare.com/814726578.html)

http://xs115.xs.to/xs115/07190/ickecomlove.jpg

[adramelech]

I just hope you all get locked up like a bunch of fucking insane miss fit drop outs!
I like to come on here because i can rip the shit out of you so easy, your all drop out scum!!
Except: thedame, Montag,
I don't really give a fuck about this forum and only come on here when I “Mod” my forums which are to do with freemasonry, your all welcome to join if you want so I can ban you all because I do not believe in all this "Left wing Hippy Bull" you fuck me off I will ban you.
You all think your so wise and know what your talking about, but really you all follow the “Teaching” of a nut drunk who left his wife for his PA. who gets laughed at everywhere he goes.

One day you will wake up from this bull shit and realise what a stupid idea it was.

Good luck.


When they insult you, it's psychological projection - they are insulting themselves for their own stubborn beliefs. Indeed, people are virtually never mad for the reasons they tell themselves on the surface.


.

[adramelech]

Hippy bull shit, I live with a BSc she knows fact and thaat is bull shit

That's really great that you think knowing someone with an undergraduate degree justifies calling Freud's second most significant psychological defense mechanisms "hippy bull shit". It doesn't change the facts which you are avoiding, though.

Protip: the most significant defense mechanism is denial.

[freespark]

I just hope you all get locked up like a bunch of fucking insane miss fit drop outs!
I like to come on here because i can rip the shit out of you so easy, your all drop out scum!!
Except: thedame, Montag,
I don't really give a fuck about this forum and only come on here when I “Mod” my forums which are to do with freemasonry, your all welcome to join if you want so I can ban you all because I do not believe in all this "Left wing Hippy Bull" you fuck me off I will ban you.
You all think your so wise and know what your talking about, but really you all follow the “Teaching” of a nut drunk who left his wife for his PA. who gets laughed at everywhere he goes.

One day you will wake up from this bull shit and realise what a stupid idea it was.

Good luck.

Haha. You are really funny dude.... In a sad kind of a way.

No need to get so peeved old boy. Maybe when you grow up a little bit you might have learned to extracate your head out from up your ass!

Hehe masonic 3 indeed eh?

Have a nice day big boy. :)

[tru3]

I'd reccomend dropping the holocaust revision research (its a diverting dead end by and large anyway) and starting a new line of research. Start with stuff like the "celestine prophecy" (james redfield) and start to understand control dramas: Icke's "I am me i am free" also contains some of the best chapters ever written on this kind of problem (pm me if you need some help there). Then, instead of starting a cofnrontational conversation with your wife along the lines of "our relationship is wrong becuase of...(w,y,z)", examine yourself: understand your own needs , explore your subconcious experctations... and consciously release her from them: give her more freedom, more encouragment, improve her quality of life... then you will be in a position to find out if she is capable of reciprocating and if your relationship can move forward to "another level":

excellent advice john. ime, starting a little closer to home might prove very fruitful.

my wife is excruciatingly practical. if 'spiritual' knowledge does not help her to improve her life, she moves on. over the years, she has helped me reign in the intellect and really focus on looking in the mirror first.

for example: in the 'celestince prophecy', redfield not only writes about the coming energy shift, but also describes how people 'steal' energy from one another. the dynamic consists of two pairs of 'opposites'

"poor-me's" attract "intimidators" and vice versa,

"aloof" people attract "interrogators", and vice versa.

These control dramas are the typical patterns that we use to control, steal, deal, trade, give and take… energy. They are what we use to manipulate energies on mental, emotional, psychological and psychic levels. They are how we act to maintain control over our lives and other people to insure our physical, mental, emotional and even spiritual "survival". They are also how we trade and steal love energy because we as a species do not realize the liberation of unconditional love, abundance and prosperity consciousness. In other words, “control dramas” are the interplay of conditional “love” and lack/enemy consciousness. (Please see my articles on control on my website).

All control dramas are a way to take energy. Many or all of the "7 deadly sins" are ways of sucking energy. All victimhood, intimidation, interrogation and aloofness, and practically every single human action and interaction is some way to steal energy from others, (or they have agreements to swap energy co-dependently). This is the nature of most all relationships. People don't realize it, but everyone is psychic, and they are all exchanging this psychic energy, but mostly subconsciously. The ego knows this and keeps people from realizing this fact that energy follows attention. So it uses whatever strategy best suits the situation to get the most energy. So most all human interaction is about attracting attention energy, sexual energy and admiration energy…, to feel loved and worthy. The ego does this because we have given it control over our survival, because we saw no other way to survive. It is now time for everyone to accept the divine power of taking care of themselves through the power of their Spirit, rather than giving their power away to separation and the matrix of separation.

http://www.zakairan.com/ZaKaiRansArticlesBooks/ControlDramas1.htm

discussing the book in this light, and having an honest,open discussion about family 'energy dynamics' brings these things home in a new way, rather than just theories.

this gives one a chance to apply 'spiritual' principles to one's daily life, which is really the value of any belief system, imo: does it serve, and if so, what is it really serving?

[peter19]

dont split up with someone over a mental position, or a belief is my view if you truely love her and she truely loves you. it will work out if its meant to but if its not- "dont cling to things, because that will cause you suffering". also i find the way tolle describes relationships and he says (and i agree with most of it) that most people have relationships but they are like contracts more so. you have to promise to make me "whole"/happy/complete me, and in return i will give you this or that make you hole ect. and if your relationship is built on that what will happen is once you start not liveing up to what you signed up to do lol, the other person can get abit pissed of because you are not completeing your end of the deal, even though you dont know it, and it is that type of relationship were they love you for your image and not for you, the real you.

but im not in your shoes mate all i can say is a belief is just that someone you truely love is more than that. maybe that is what is comeing into question, do you really love her. and thats not a bad question though because if you think about it and you love her your relationship will be stronger but if you dont then youll think its the best thing to walk away.

hope it all works out for the best. :)

[cleft_asunder]

Ciao,

I would really appreciate if you have any advice or experiences about how to deal with your loved ones when they don't understand you with "this stuff".

To make a long story short: My wife has been a little bit annoyed with me reading and watching this "awakening to the truth" stuff. And I've been very careful not to force ideas upon her.The other day she asked casually/sarcastically:"So what conspiracies have you been reading about today?" Without thinking too much about how it would sound to her i replied: "Oh, I've just been reading and trying to understand what really happened during the alleged holocaust..." As you can guess, this caused a huge fight between us. Don't need to go into details, but I'll just say that my wife was totally shocked and said that THAT is something you CAN NOT question. I tried to explain that I just wanted to research and get to the facts, and that it is wrong to put people in jail just because they have questions about the h.c. Oh, just trying to explain and talk f.ex. about the Zionists just made things worse...

Ok, so now my wife thinks I'm crazy and probably a new-nazi. What to do?

If your wife thinks you're crazy because you're open minded, why do you give a damn about here? From what you describe, I would never even consider a women like that.

But what I really want to say is that she's an organic portal!:eek: ;)

[cleft_asunder]

hoo boy. i feel for ya, my friend.

i got married to my first wife at 19. what i found, over time, was that i had a specific agenda for getting married to her so young. i won't bore you with the details, but suffice to say that as i matured, i found that agenda no longer served me. like most of us, i did the best i could with the knowledge and beliefs i had at the time.

i began to grow in a different direction than her. i tried to make it work for a long, long, time, but in the end i had to go my separate way. it happens.

imho, since you asked, i doubt you will ever be able to do much to change her mind. from what i can tell from your post, just based on the intensity of her reaction, you've got a difficult situation to resolve.

you're not responsible for the way she feels; the only thing you can be responsible for is how you choose to live and what you focus consciousness on.

my advice would be to sit down with her, and give her a chance to explain how she feels. get it all out on the table. let her spew until she's done. keep asking "what else bothers you about this?".

we're almost never upset for the reason we think.

there's a really great book on this process, although it's extremely powerful. be forewarned.

http://gettingtheloveyouwant.com/

you may be surprised at what comes up. in my own life, my 2nd wife has complained to me that she was annoyed about how much time i've been spending on the forum (950 posts! c'mon! get a life! lol :rolleyes: ).

after sitting down and talking with her, she admitted that she felt a little insecure about having a part of my life that gave me joy (by being of service and sharing personal truth with all you lovely people :) ) that she felt left out, and that it brought up how stuck she was in focusing on her professional career. when she felt safe enough and like i was really hearing her, she admitted that she was a little jealous and maybe needed to get a life, too!

so, with a little probing, this could be a healing situation for your relationship.

if both parties are willing to look at it. hope this helps. :o


Nice post.

[amadeus]

If your wife thinks you're crazy because you're open minded, why do you give a damn about here? From what you describe, I would never even consider a women like that.


Hi again. The word 'crazy' probably wasn't the best one to describe her feelings about me. I mean she didn't think I was 'crazy' like you know 'mental case' and she didn't actually use the word 'crazy'(sorry if this is getting boring), she actually used the phrase: "Your changing to someone who I don't know anymore..." So now that my jets have cooled off I can see more clearly where this came from.

We actually had a good talk last night which cleared things up a lot. As instructed (hehe...) I focused on listening to her. What actually came up was that this kind of "new me" picturing the world and its events as cold, calculated and in lack of a better word 'nihilistic' made her sad and scared. And that she felt that if all this was true it would mean that her grandfather who died in the war at the age of 19 had died for nothing! So there we have it. Our quarrel has proven to actually improve our relationship. Thank you for your wise words guys. This forum is proving to be so much more than I expected.

Because I'm in the early stages of this awakening-process I have a tendency to "want to know everything know"-kind of madness. Your posts made me more aware of this; I've got stop rushing in to things - take my time and rise above the details, what say you? Although I must say I'm very intrigued to know "everything" about the Zionists-Israel-Jews stuff, because knowing that past explains a lot of whats going on in the world. Why is researching it a dead end?

Looking quickly into the 'celestine prophecy' made me feel good. Have to give it a good read. I noticed that theres a movie about it too. Any good?

Crisis over... http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_138.gif

p.s.How did those 'masonic3'-posts end up here?

[tru3]

We actually had a good talk last night which cleared things up a lot. As instructed (hehe...) I focused on listening to her. What actually came up was that this kind of "new me" picturing the world and its events as cold, calculated and in lack of a better word 'nihilistic' made her sad and scared. And that she felt that if all this was true it would mean that her grandfather who died in the war at the age of 19 had died for nothing! So there we have it. Our quarrel has proven to actually improve our relationship.

[insert big smiley emoticon connoting applause, celebration, and praise].

that is so cool, my friend. outstanding work! :) it takes a tremendous amount of courage to sit with that energy, and imo, healing without courage is next to impossible.

as for 'instructions': i just try to share personal experience for the most part. btw, ime, 'make up sex' can be really healing, too. :D

[freespark]

Hi again. The word 'crazy' probably wasn't the best one to describe her feelings about me. I mean she didn't think I was 'crazy' like you know 'mental case' and she didn't actually use the word 'crazy'(sorry if this is getting boring), she actually used the phrase: "Your changing to someone who I don't know anymore..." So now that my jets have cooled off I can see more clearly where this came from.

We actually had a good talk last night which cleared things up a lot. As instructed (hehe...) I focused on listening to her. What actually came up was that this kind of "new me" picturing the world and its events as cold, calculated and in lack of a better word 'nihilistic' made her sad and scared. And that she felt that if all this was true it would mean that her grandfather who died in the war at the age of 19 had died for nothing! So there we have it. Our quarrel has proven to actually improve our relationship. Thank you for your wise words guys. This forum is proving to be so much more than I expected.

Because I'm in the early stages of this awakening-process I have a tendency to "want to know everything know"-kind of madness. Your posts made me more aware of this; I've got stop rushing in to things - take my time and rise above the details, what say you? Although I must say I'm very intrigued to know "everything" about the Zionists-Israel-Jews stuff, because knowing that past explains a lot of whats going on in the world. Why is researching it a dead end?

Looking quickly into the 'celestine prophecy' made me feel good. Have to give it a good read. I noticed that theres a movie about it too. Any good?

Crisis over... http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_138.gif

p.s.How did those 'masonic3'-posts end up here?

Well done mate. :)

[i_am]

http://www.zakairan.com/ZaKaiRansArticlesBooks/ControlDramas1.htm



Actually...ZaKaiRan's series on relationships might be a good thing to read :p

http://www.zakairan.com/ZaKaiRansArticlesBooks/ArticlesBooks.htm

[celtic isis]

Ciao,

I would really appreciate if you have any advice or experiences about how to deal with your loved ones when they don't understand you with "this stuff".

To make a long story short: My wife has been a little bit annoyed with me reading and watching this "awakening to the truth" stuff. And I've been very careful not to force ideas upon her.The other day she asked casually/sarcastically:"So what conspiracies have you been reading about today?" Without thinking too much about how it would sound to her i replied: "Oh, I've just been reading and trying to understand what really happened during the alleged holocaust..." As you can guess, this caused a huge fight between us. Don't need to go into details, but I'll just say that my wife was totally shocked and said that THAT is something you CAN NOT question. I tried to explain that I just wanted to research and get to the facts, and that it is wrong to put people in jail just because they have questions about the h.c. Oh, just trying to explain and talk f.ex. about the Zionists just made things worse...

Ok, so now my wife thinks I'm crazy and probably a new-nazi. What to do?

hello there amadeus :)

just wanted to leave you a few lines hope can be of some help to you...

oh the famous 'can't question anything regarding jews' line :D

i'm sorry to say it but boy is your wife conditioned lol

Hey you're on the journey now, i would suggest you (if you haven't already got it) icke's book I Am Me, I Am Free, if that doesn't ring a bell with her then...nothing will lol. And that book is perfect to ease her in.

OMG the most annoying thing to hear from people is what your wife said, 'so what conspiracies have you been reading about today then'? :mad:

i'm almost 25, and i came to learn about all this the beginning of last year after reading THE BOOK by william cooper who was murdered for warning us all before it's too late. anyway, i get the same from family, friends, i email stuff and like, you never get anything back...though i've gotten a few to read the book so that's good, but still they won't do anything more. My other half and i are in it together, before i wasn't at all interested in stuff like this, i guess cause i didn't know about the NWO or anythign then though, but then when he got Cooper's book, in it's english so i read it cause he's french and well now we're on the journey together...so the two of us argue about who knows who's really behind it etc etc...but yeah, that must be awful for you to not be secure with your wife, that she doesn't respect you enough to let you do what you want to do and even for her to take an interest in it for you....i guess she's scared too.

I'd get her to read that I Am Me book, it's short, and funny and would really give her an a-ha moment, there's nothing about reptilian stuff or anything so it's the best one to start her off with lol. :D

i guess i'm ok, cause i've reached a point i know what's what now, i couldn't give a toss if people have a prob with what i'm reading or whatever...I am Me, I Am Free.

if that doesn't work, that book, send her on here to me and i'll sort her out lol
i'm joking. No, you just keep going with what you're learning, hopefully she'll get interested too but you'd have to maybe bribe her to read something and then after she's realise ok, maybe there is something in this...it's so obvious like, how can anyone not just know in their hearts that this is why the world is the way it is when they read it. :confused:

I send you all my best wishes in your quest, hey don't worry about your wife though, just keep this for you, of course you long to share it with her, cause finding all this out is so HUGE, ah it's a real shame...i'm sure she'll get interested in it though, just have to find the right thing to get her started, initiated ;)

we're all here for you anyway when you want a chat!

GOOD LUCK!!!
PS: is your wife english speaking, cause you sound like you're Italian or something to me :) Also everyone goes through that craziness time of wanting to know as much as possible, you have such an explosion of information when you first find all this out, so don't worry, it will pass over time. !

[tinmenace]

"new me"

I've heard that before from many people. Also, I've experienced the same attempts at transference of their fears and baggage to me. At first I tried to explain what I knew and what I was thinking, but how do you explain all the books you've read, and all the quantum leaps you've made in your thinking? How do you transfer enlightenment? In my experience you can't. They have to walk that path alone.

I offered books to all the people that complained about the "new me", and asked them to read just one book, and then they'll better understand me. I explained that I cannot stay stagnant just to appease them. Thus far, there is only one person (other than my husband) that has made that effort. I suppose the others don't care enough about what's important to me, and don't care to understand or enjoy my evolution.

Oh well...

[amadeus]

i'm almost 25, and i came to learn about all this the beginning of last year after reading THE BOOK by william cooper who was murdered for warning us all before it's too late.

Hello celtic isis. Thank you for your words. It would be nice to exchange more thoughts with you. Its wonderful to hear that you as a couple can talk about these amazing things. So it's possible after all. :) I think I'll order the 'I am me, I am free'-book, thanks for the tip.

I've been reading 'Behold a pale horse'. I must admit that i have it in pdf, but i very much plan to buy it. Haven't yet read the whole book, but i must say its amazing stuff. I also watched his over 4h long lecture on google. I think that he was very sincere and honest. I have found a few false leads in his theories, but its only natural that some of the huge amount of information he researched was probably disinfo. And he also admits this could have been the case with the alien-theories. Where could i learn more about him and his teachings?

Do you have a clue what happened to his material, like books and documents? Did the police confiscate them? I was specially amazed about the moon orbiter pictures he showed in his lecture. It was a shame the picture quality was so poor.Those early mon orbiter-books with the pics must be well hidden somewhere. Wonder if someone is continuing his work.

And yes, me and my wife are foreigners, if you mean not UK-based. We do travel once in a while to Italy, since we're both opera singers. My wife is better in speaking Italian, but I try to learn more all the time. (My next challenge is to learn French) Reading English is no problem for us.We live in the city(and country) that held the Eurovision-song contest last Saturday. ;)

So now you know all about med and where we live, just come knock on the door...

[notaslave]

Guess it is different when its the guy, but when I first started to really wake up 12 years ago I was married and my ex didnt hold with what he called my "airy-fairy" ideas on how society was built wrong.

e.g. Homeless young people on the street he saw that as their own fault. And that was just the tip of his weird outlook on life. I guess he was more reptile than human. {ribbet} lol

Anyway that was the beginning of the end, I wasnt about to supress my life path and it soon became obvious I had to go. lol lol lol

[celtic isis]

Hello celtic isis. Thank you for your words. It would be nice to exchange more thoughts with you. Its wonderful to hear that you as a couple can talk about these amazing things. So it's possible after all. :) I think I'll order the 'I am me, I am free'-book, thanks for the tip.

I've been reading 'Behold a pale horse'. I must admit that i have it in pdf, but i very much plan to buy it. Haven't yet read the whole book, but i must say its amazing stuff. I also watched his over 4h long lecture on google. I think that he was very sincere and honest. I have found a few false leads in his theories, but its only natural that some of the huge amount of information he researched was probably disinfo. And he also admits this could have been the case with the alien-theories. Where could i learn more about him and his teachings?

Do you have a clue what happened to his material, like books and documents? Did the police confiscate them? I was specially amazed about the moon orbiter pictures he showed in his lecture. It was a shame the picture quality was so poor.Those early mon orbiter-books with the pics must be well hidden somewhere. Wonder if someone is continuing his work.

And yes, me and my wife are foreigners, if you mean not UK-based. We do travel once in a while to Italy, since we're both opera singers. My wife is better in speaking Italian, but I try to learn more all the time. (My next challenge is to learn French) Reading English is no problem for us.We live in the city(and country) that held the Eurovision-song contest last Saturday. ;)

So now you know all about med and where we live, just come knock on the door...

hi amadeus:D
aww what a lovely reply sorry i'm only replying now, i lost track of my subscriptions on here :o

Where to start...:) ok first, good idea with the I Am Me, I Am Free book cause well icke puts it so well in that one and it's a reptile free zone :D I'm sure your wife will enjoy it, cause of icke's incredible sense of humour which well, in this business, as in exposing the hidden agenda, a sense of humour is indespensible!

aww you're reading Behold a Pale Horse :D You're already a pal of mine!
I know cooper, he was incredible, and to think that he was shot to death 6 times on his own doorstep by the local sherrif and/or Feds less than two months after 9/11 happened as he fought to question the government. It was clinton who ordered him to be shut up by any means.

It's so sad cause, well, had had to send his wife Annie and their two daughters (Dorothy and i don't know the other girls name but her birthday is the day after mine next week and she's only 16) he had to send them to live in europe for their own safety while cooper lived the remaining years of his life alone, just modestly with his two dogs and some chickens...poor guy he gave absolutely everything, including his own life so that we would know the truth. He really is one of my heros. My nickname over here is 'coopergirl' !

As for your question as to what happened to his work after his death/murder...well i honestly don't know. He did publish another short book and it is only available in french (that's how we came to find out about the new world order etc, my fiancé bought that book for his dad, then he got the one in english, then i read it and well the rest is history!) He was obviously trying to get the information out to european countries..that book was published in 1999 i think, 2 years before his murder.

You'll find all kinds of places on the net trying to discredit him, calling him a bully etc etc..but like, from reading Pale horse, as you are, you'll know what kind of man Cooper was, he was a tough guy but it meant so much to him to get the truth out, he was only fighting for what was right and well, he never painted himself as an angel but he never did anything terribly bad either. He was a soldier who was willing to die for america and then when he realised it was all a con, and that he had been also fooled, then they had messed with the wrong guy..unfortunately they killed him in the end.

The guy only had one leg, he lost the other in one attempt to kill him. He was run off the side of a road, off a bank or cliff edge and left for dead but he survived. The ones responsible basically said 'is he dead yet?' and the other one said 'no, but he will be'. and then they try and tell a story that Cooper was resisting arrest (for doing nothing) by like 5 fed officers and that he was running away from them and shooting back at them at the same time...with one leg yeah sure. He didn't let his handicap affect him but like, walking ok on a fake leg is one thing, running and shooting while being in pursuit by officers is another!!!


You're right though, of course cooper was fed disinformation..and he even acknowledges it many times in Pale Horse, he puts down all the scenarios...and on his website 'hour of the time' there was a document where he rejected what he found out to be disinfo.

It's so nice to hear you say that you think that he was very sincere and honest. i feel that too.

Where can you get more info on him i'm not sure...i was loooking at vidoes of him on youtube and stuff but i guess you've probably seen them :) i guess his site that is still on going : hour of the time, i'll go find the link for you. Other than that i don't know...he's been, silenced that's it. :( They got what they wanted eh.


also i'm so sorry, did i call you 'foreigners'? omg what a term i hope i didn't! I'm a foreigner here anyway as well hehe Wow you and your wife are both opera singers, my fiancé is a composer. Big music mad family really!

i wish my french was as good as your english, though i understand french completely, speaking is hard, i go blank alot! I have to practise more.

my memory is so bad i actually can't remember where the eurovision song contest was held! :o My brain is cooked cause it's too hot here today!

I'll go look for that link for you amadeus, aww it's been brilliant talking wiht you, fellow pale horse reader to another!

take care for now!
ps i used too many smilies apparently in this post so had to take them out!

[celtic isis]

sorry it did post twice after all that argh!

[celtic isis]

here are some cooper related links :)

Cooper's site
http://www.hourofthetime.com/Hour_of_the_Time/HOME.html


A very interesting transcript on bible/mysteries etc also with photo of pyramids/face on mars.
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/astrlflm.html

His death...
http://www.cam.net.uk/home/aaa315/peace/dead.htm


http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/nov/06/arwc110601.htm

http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/the_new_world_order/162415.html

http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g16.htm

A site which includes a lot of pale horse...
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/cooper.html

[amadeus]

Hi Celtic Isis,

Thank you for replying. It's easy to get lost here with all these posts. The amount of memebers is growing all the time(which is great), so to keep track on everything posted is almost impossible. Of course the 'User CP' link is a great way to check any answers. Have you noticed that some of the 'old timers' are not seen so often posting here any more? Wonder if they moved over to the 'mtsar-forum' or something...

I'm for the time being in Milano visiting my wife, so I'll have to check out those links when I get home. Thanks for those.

Arrivederci!

[celtic isis]

Hi Celtic Isis,

Thank you for replying. It's easy to get lost here with all these posts. The amount of memebers is growing all the time(which is great), so to keep track on everything posted is almost impossible. Of course the 'User CP' link is a great way to check any answers. Have you noticed that some of the 'old timers' are not seen so often posting here any more? Wonder if they moved over to the 'mtsar-forum' or something...

I'm for the time being in Milano visiting my wife, so I'll have to check out those links when I get home. Thanks for those.

Arrivederci!

hey there amadeus :)
hope you're having a great time in milano :) I'm not far from Italy myself :)

i know, i can't keep track of my subscriptions, i never get email alerts as to who has posted a reply which is what i was used to, but yeah of course i use the userCP when i remember lol

i know, this forum is huge :) to be honest, i'm quite new here myself so haven't really noticed that some of the members with more life experience :) have moved on...the michael tsarion forum hmm...i didn't know there was one lol

i guess obviously there is one but i never looked, that's great! i think i have enough with this one for now though.

so i'll let you go for now, will post any more links and stuff if i come across it. Was actually looking over some cooper stuff last night i had saved and forgot about.

take care, ciaobello :)

[auron]

Bill Cooper was a legend. Thanks for those links Celtic. I'll have a look at those later.

Auron :)

[celtic isis]

Bill Cooper was a legend. Thanks for those links Celtic. I'll have a look at those later.

Auron :)

No probs Auron :D

[mari]

Well, if its any consolation, I get this hassle most of the time from 'my boys' (other half & son), Worse, really, because I'm female & not supposed to be digging into this kind of stuff.

They haven't awoken, & I know now that perhaps they wont, in this lifetime. I have to respect their path in life, even though mine makes for a rather lonely life, because in this neck of the woods, there are VERY few likeminded souls who I can converse with, much less female ones!

[nathan30]

no one said it would be easy, the path of the rightoues man is beset on all sides, if your relationship is strong and you trust one another then dont give up on her, my family listen to me intently but my father who is very knowledgeable went mad at me the first time i mention 9/11 being an inside job, he is still unsure to what im gonna come out with next but slowly but surely he is openin his eyes, some of us knew deep down before thats why we started researchin others, the majority are to attached to the physical to accept anything else, sad but true, i hope she comes around for her own sake, ask her if she trusts u. if she does ask her to humour u for five mins, maybe show her an alex jones doc, he puts forward undeniable evidence,once she sees the light on one thing maybe she'll start to realise, good post mate, a problem all of us will now face if we're to start spreading the truth

[celtic isis]

Well, if its any consolation, I get this hassle most of the time from 'my boys' (other half & son), Worse, really, because I'm female & not supposed to be digging into this kind of stuff.

They haven't awoken, & I know now that perhaps they wont, in this lifetime. I have to respect their path in life, even though mine makes for a rather lonely life, because in this neck of the woods, there are VERY few likeminded souls who I can converse with, much less female ones!

don't worry mari, people are getting there - albeit slowly...:D

and at least you have all us gals on here to talk to ;)

i'm lucky in that my OH is on this path too, and always has been although we argue about certain aspects of the agenda..who knows what etc..particularly regarding reptilian stuff lol

i understand though, i haven't really experienced anyone saying i'm crazy (like out of my family) but then i'm far away from then, i never shut up about this though...it's really just my brother, his remarks were , just be careful abot the 'conspiracy stuff', most of those people are nuts and even if it's true there's nothing you can do about it anyway and that i should just use the net etc to do things for myself, like ways of making my life better (ie making money) ....:mad: :rolleyes: And how does he know these people are nuts, this from someone who has never read anythign of icke's in his life.

Both my brothers are sadly completely caught up in the 'celtic tiger sickness' that money and status is everything, how poor and wrong they are. :rolleyes: Materialism/consumerism, yet another illuminati ploy to hypnotise eh. andit's working, particularly in Ireland.

lol but like, it's not a matter of it being true or not, you can see what's happening day by blooming day, the NWO will be here anytime soon and like, the whole agenda, it explains everything that has ever happened in the world and why the world is the way it is today.

I talked a lot about this with my mam before she passed away and like, she was saying you know that is true cause she could never figure out how society changed so quickly from when she was young in the 50's and 60's...and like, when you know about the whole manipulation that has taken place, it all makes perfect sense! She saw so many changes during her lifetime and she saw them firsthand, it was really enlightening to talk with her about all this.

it is so frustrating though when people don't get it, or just ignore it...i never get answers to any emails now and like, most 'friends' have stopped talking to me, but like, i didn't even really say anything to them, and still they just ignore. ok fine be a sheep then lol

:D

It's hard though not to let it bother you cause well, all our futures are at stake here, and why we should we suffer when we know the truth and are trying to do something about it when the rest want to just continue sleepwalking through life, always being angry, stressed, never finding out about the esoteric knowledege being surpressed from them and therefore never really having the tools to lead better lives, preferring to be mesmerised by the news, sport, soap operas and celebs while the elite are continuing to lead the world in a direction to serve their own selfish barbaric fascist needs...it's been too easy for them cause a vast majority of th ehuman race are just too stupid and also have the false ilusion that they know what is what in the world...they haven't a clue.

i know this really frustrates me too, however, i'm damn not going to give up lol:D I'll pester em into waking up!

[celtic isis]

no one said it would be easy, the path of the rightoues man is beset on all sides, if your relationship is strong and you trust one another then dont give up on her, my family listen to me intently but my father who is very knowledgeable went mad at me the first time i mention 9/11 being an inside job, he is still unsure to what im gonna come out with next but slowly but surely he is openin his eyes, some of us knew deep down before thats why we started researchin others, the majority are to attached to the physical to accept anything else, sad but true, i hope she comes around for her own sake, ask her if she trusts u. if she does ask her to humour u for five mins, maybe show her an alex jones doc, he puts forward undeniable evidence,once she sees the light on one thing maybe she'll start to realise, good post mate, a problem all of us will now face if we're to start spreading the truth

exactly, and get I am Me, I am Free! :D for anyone having probs like this, i was even considering sending my copy to one of my brothers cause he has changed from a wonderful free spirit into a judging blooding nightmare thanks to his manipulating cancerous witch of a wife lol A real posionous person. can you tell i don't like her? :) loli live in hope my bro will wake from his sleep before it's too late...

I am Me , I am Free is everything it in a nutshell without any of the rep stuff or other harder to accept stuff...

good luck!

[baron von lotsov]

Ciao,

Ok, so now my wife thinks I'm crazy and probably a new-nazi. What to do?
Tell her she should trust the judgement of her man or else there is no point in being a wife. Women's lib is probably responsible for her brainwashing.

My woman does anyway. Sometimes if she has a legitimate question she will question things but in a polite and courteous way and in return she gets a respectful answer. Anyway she knows what goes on, she has noble family connections and knows a lot of important people. She still likes Tony Blair though but that does not cause a major issue, besides she has not lived in the UK for the past 20 years.

[the festival spirit]

Guess it is different when its the guy, but when I first started to really wake up 12 years ago I was married and my ex didnt hold with what he called my "airy-fairy" ideas on how society was built wrong.

e.g. Homeless young people on the street he saw that as their own fault. And that was just the tip of his weird outlook on life. I guess he was more reptile than human. {ribbet} lol

Anyway that was the beginning of the end, I wasnt about to supress my life path and it soon became obvious I had to go. lol lol lol

I think this is how it wnt for me, during my 19 year marriage amadeus, I am so glad you had the chat and worked stuff out, I spent the last ten years of my marriage turning it on its head, both the marriage and wht was happeneing in the world, I had an awakening, some peopel just dont get it at first, so you try to inform, them. Then I tried reason, that didnt go down very well at all, in fact reason just brought chaos, then I tried teh silent thing, I said nothing of what I knew was going on in me. That was quite wrong also, I got the you dont talk to me anymore. so then I tried informing again, having been invited, Awareness is teh key. SO after informing , reasoning and silence, a few times, what was left, I never ever want to force my opininon, (unless lives depend on it,) but lives depended on it. So i tried to force a change, I did get that change, but it only came after a two year 'tricky' divorce, but all the negativity did leave mine and my childrens lives. It was worth the struggle.

Now you have a reasonable wife and you can sit down and talk and Understand. I am so pleased, because you will be able to grow together, I often still think it could have been different, I hope and hope that my children come with me, when I vibrate away, or join me when the time is right, But, will the wife that I loved for 19 years join me, I doubt it.

Good luck for the future, there still may be a day, when she chooses not to accept, but at least you are trying your best to make her aware.

Well done.

[tru3]

I think this is how it wnt for me, during my 19 year marriage amadeus, I am so glad you had the chat and worked stuff out, I spent the last ten years of my marriage turning it on its head, both the marriage and wht was happeneing in the world, I had an awakening, some peopel just dont get it at first, so you try to inform, them. Then I tried reason, that didnt go down very well at all, in fact reason just brought chaos, then I tried teh silent thing, I said nothing of what I knew was going on in me. That was quite wrong also, I got the you dont talk to me anymore. so then I tried informing again, having been invited, Awareness is teh key. SO after informing , reasoning and silence, a few times, what was left, I never ever want to force my opininon, (unless lives depend on it,) but lives depended on it. So i tried to force a change, I did get that change, but it only came after a two year 'tricky' divorce, but all the negativity did leave mine and my childrens lives. It was worth the struggle.

Now you have a reasonable wife and you can sit down and talk and Understand. I am so pleased, because you will be able to grow together, I often still think it could have been different, I hope and hope that my children come with me, when I vibrate away, or join me when the time is right, But, will the wife that I loved for 19 years join me, I doubt it.

Good luck for the future, there still may be a day, when she chooses not to accept, but at least you are trying your best to make her aware.

Well done.

i got married the first time at 19. she and i grew up, and then grew apart, with different visions of the world, and different questions from and to life. what i have learned about relationships is that we tend to re-create opportunities to heal old unresolved family conflicts:

What's also important about this image of familiar love is that as we grow up in our families, we learn very quickly how we need to act and be in order to get love or approval and to feel safe. So we develop what we call survival patterns. While you can read more in depth examples in our couples examples, a quick example might be for someone who had a smothering parent, their survival pattern might include never getting too close to someone (because they feel like they will disappear, they can't be a separate person, etc.). For someone who had a critical parent, they might learn to survive by becoming a perfectionist, or becoming very rigid about how everything needs to be done and how everyone needs to be to be OK. You get the basic idea.

http://www.relationshipjourney.com/imago.html

it's something that's past from generation to generation:

From the moment of birth, when the Stone-Age baby confronts the twentieth-century mother, the baby is subjected to these forces of violence called love, as its father and mother and their parents and their parents before them, have been. These forces are mainly concerned with destroying most of its potential. These forces have been, for the most part, highly successful. - R.D. Laing

[amadeus]

Ciao tutti!

Greetings from Italy. I had a nice vacation with my wife. But it's also fun to be home here in "Scandinavia". I finally have had the time to look at those Cooper-links plus doing some fun stuff like posting my picture here and designing a sticker. It's so much fun hanging around the forum that you sometimes forget to go outside...wonderful weather here in my country...I'll have to shut down the computer after posting this.

So, this thread is probably at its end, thank you all for your contribution to the discussion. We'll probably see similar posts in the future(I think this could be a common problem with many couples) so maybe we can continue this discussion there. Or...here...I don't mind discussing this further in this thread. I just don't have any new thoughts or developments to share with you regarding the topic. Yet, that is.

Celtic Isis, I checked out the links you posted and found something interesting. In the transcript of one of W.C. tapes he talks about the sun. "And many, many early peoples believed that the sun was a reflector rather than the source of light, reflecting the power, and the beauty, and the energy of God Himself."

I don't know if you're familiar with Richard Hoaglands work and his research group (http://www.enterprisemission.com/) but one of his theories is that planets and the sun are manifestations of energy coming from another dimension. I.e. the sun is radiating more energy than it can create, thus the energy is coming from a dimension we cannot see. And according to him there are signs/giveaways to spot the connection to the hyper-dimension, like the vortexes at 19.5 degrees(which they "uncoded" from the Cydonia site at Mars) N or S in almost every planet. Fascinating theory, have read:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html

[celtic isis]

Ciao tutti!

Greetings from Italy. I had a nice vacation with my wife. But it's also fun to be home here in "Scandinavia". I finally have had the time to look at those Cooper-links plus doing some fun stuff like posting my picture here and designing a sticker. It's so much fun hanging around the forum that you sometimes forget to go outside...wonderful weather here in my country...I'll have to shut down the computer after posting this.

So, this thread is probably at its end, thank you all for your contribution to the discussion. We'll probably see similar posts in the future(I think this could be a common problem with many couples) so maybe we can continue this discussion there. Or...here...I don't mind discussing this further in this thread. I just don't have any new thoughts or developments to share with you regarding the topic. Yet, that is.

Celtic Isis, I checked out the links you posted and found something interesting. In the transcript of one of W.C. tapes he talks about the sun. "And many, many early peoples believed that the sun was a reflector rather than the source of light, reflecting the power, and the beauty, and the energy of God Himself."

I don't know if you're familiar with Richard Hoaglands work and his research group (http://www.enterprisemission.com/) but one of his theories is that planets and the sun are manifestations of energy coming from another dimension. I.e. the sun is radiating more energy than it can create, thus the energy is coming from a dimension we cannot see. And according to him there are signs/giveaways to spot the connection to the hyper-dimension, like the vortexes at 19.5 degrees(which they "uncoded" from the Cydonia site at Mars) N or S in almost every planet. Fascinating theory, have read:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html

hey there amadeus and welcome back :)

yep i agree very interesting indeed, i never heard that theory before, i'm just going to go check that link out now! :) Wanted to post to you first...wow cooper said that, i haven't had a chance to read that transcript yet, i was really happy i found it though! :D

how's things going with your wife now amadeus, if it's not too rude to ask :)

also you just taught me some italian there, ciao tutti means hello everyone i'm guessing :) you know how to say it in french? bonjour tout le monde or bonjour à tous :) mind you it could be toute la monde i'm not sure of the grammer there lol but a quick french lesson there for you anyway lol

ciaobello (how to say my friend in italian?) lol à la prochaine :)

[amadeus]

hey there amadeus and welcome back :)

yep i agree very interesting indeed, i never heard that theory before, i'm just going to go check that link out now! :) Wanted to post to you first...wow cooper said that, i haven't had a chance to read that transcript yet, i was really happy i found it though! :D

how's things going with your wife now amadeus, if it's not too rude to ask :)

also you just taught me some italian there, ciao tutti means hello everyone i'm guessing :) you know how to say it in french? bonjour tout le monde or bonjour à tous :) mind you it could be toute la monde i'm not sure of the grammer there lol but a quick french lesson there for you anyway lol

ciaobello (how to say my friend in italian?) lol à la prochaine :)

Hi C.I.,

Thanks for the french lesson. I haven't really started my french studies yet but that's a good remindet :) I'm currently on the road again with an opera production in "the woods" so my internet access is limited for a another week or so. I just quickly fill you in with developments with my wife:

For a few months ago I gave her the book by Eckhard Tolle named "The power of now". I am very aware that I can't "force" my wife to read anything, I just have to give her time to "build up" the curiosity - for her to pick up the book for her self(this happened with the 'Conversations with God'-books, of which she has read the firs one; that took almost a year!)

So anyway, this other day she really surprised me by saying:"Oh, you know this Tolle book is the most important book I've read, I have to give it to my good friend...I think she really should read it." Wov, I was so happy for this as you can imagine. And one day she read in the news paper an article of the moon-landings. Suddenly she said to me:"I think you really should write this journalist and give her some alternative views on the moon landings, since you know so much about it (I've researched the moon-hoax a lot).

So I'm really entusiastic that we are both "growing" with my wife now. Nice to have her "on the same boat".

Sorry got to go now, our practise starts soon. Sorry about the many "":s :)

Ciao!

[celtic isis]

Hi C.I.,

Thanks for the french lesson. I haven't really started my french studies yet but that's a good remindet :) I'm currently on the road again with an opera production in "the woods" so my internet access is limited for a another week or so. I just quickly fill you in with developments with my wife:

For a few months ago I gave her the book by Eckhard Tolle named "The power of now". I am very aware that I can't "force" my wife to read anything, I just have to give her time to "build up" the curiosity - for her to pick up the book for her self(this happened with the 'Conversations with God'-books, of which she has read the firs one; that took almost a year!)

So anyway, this other day she really surprised me by saying:"Oh, you know this Tolle book is the most important book I've read, I have to give it to my good friend...I think she really should read it." Wov, I was so happy for this as you can imagine. And one day she read in the news paper an article of the moon-landings. Suddenly she said to me:"I think you really should write this journalist and give her some alternative views on the moon landings, since you know so much about it (I've researched the moon-hoax a lot).

So I'm really entusiastic that we are both "growing" with my wife now. Nice to have her "on the same boat".

Sorry got to go now, our practise starts soon. Sorry about the many "":s :)

Ciao!

hey there amadeus and good luck on the road again :)

well what can i say...
HORRAAAAAAAAY!!!! V for VICTORY!

Yay your wife is well and truly on board! :D

That's brilliant, aw i'm really happy for you and for you both. Thumbs up with your choice of books too. I haven't read either of them myself but have had them recommended to me a lot:)


It's just so great to hear of another person just starting this journey of discovery now. And she has you to help her along the way and now you have her more too now. Well done!

Hey i'd be really interested to hear about your moon hoax research there amadeus.

hehe your wife is even suggesting things to you now about alternative views :) BINGO!

Take care amadeus, so delighted for you!

ciao for now!