celtic isis
26-09-2008, 04:09 PM
I'll try and keep this short and sweet :)
Yesterday i watched Michael Tsarion's presentation 2012 The Future of Mankind (posted mini clip below). I've posted about this before, but something drew me back to it yesterday (synchronicty) and well, it was what i needed to hear.
To the Christian members on this forum, maybe you'd like to watch that talk of Tsarions, or even skip through to the end part just to hear him as he talks with a Christian man who follows Tsarion's work and actually listens when Tsarion has something to say and likewise Tsarion listens to him.
Anyway Doug, the Christian, was asking Tsarion why he quotes for example Crowley in his work, and Tsarion replies because he is a synthesiser of many different scholars, poets( and general genius type people's work) without editing them out just because they may or may not have been "evil". Tsarion said he knows where he stands in this, he sees the dark side of these people and acknoledges that they had one, but that considering the horror and evil perpetuated by the world leaders in power then to be condemning people like Crowley on face value or how he has been portrayed (similar to condemning icke due to how he has been portrayed) then you miss out on their viewpoint, and even if they were horrendous evil people that doesn't mean they didn't have ingenius thoughts on humanity and its plight.
It's as simple as that. He then points out that Crowley was one of the first to actually point out the child sacrifices that were taking place and that he one who stood up against zionism etc. I don't know much about Crowley but if sometime i have a book of his come into my possession i would check it out to see what he had to say, take what you need from it and move on, doesn't mean you're on the dark side! If you know where you are in this that's where you'll stay, nothing changes.
Tsarion when asked a question about Nietzsche, that he is a nietzschian, meaning his thoughts and conceptions about things fit tsarion too. But as Tsarion said, just because he quotes from a few people doesn't mean he follows everything they were or are about. He's a synthesiser, which is what we all should be in this, coming and looking at all angles and not just setting up in one camp and staying there or avoiding looking at others cause this is the ONE.
Tsarion said that the Christian camp within the overall movement for truth is a very welcome addition, but that they have to realise they're not THE CAMP, the holier that thou camp that has all the answers. That you must remember that you are new to this, before Christianity came along the white occultists and people labeled as witches etc were already awake to this and fighting and giving their lives to help humanity, and thus were slaughtered.
Basically Tsarion's conclusion was that we all need to respect eachother's own SELFHOOD, that which is good for one person is contamination for another one's selfhood. Just think, if you were forced to live against who you really are inside, against your SELF, how that feels, i'm sure all of us have had to do that at some point in our lives and i know it feels like a physical pain to be away or denying the SELF, your own happy place, content feeling of being you and doing what makes you happy and reach your full potential. For me it's when i'm creative, painting, using my hands to make something out of nothing, caring for plants etc that is my SELFHOOD. That is all i need, it is ME.
If your selfhood is christianity then good for you, go with it, but don't try and impose it on the others who don't follow with you. As Tsarion said, when one person said that meditation is his way and he said everybody should do it..and Tsarion stopped him to say no, i don't want to hear about everybody, you said it first in "I feel", it's what I feel is the way to go for me, for anyone else it's contamination, we're constantly being led away from selfhood and this is what calls the emotional imbalances in the world, everyone at opposite with eachother, fighting to impose one's will, belief system whatever, each experience and way of being is unique to them, therefore their place of selfhood is unique to them too.
Don't think we all need saving (from what mister big bad icke is telling us) just becuase we see religion for what it represents to us, or for what it really is to us, when you find it a blessing and feel we should too. We don't for good reason but if you do, fine. Just be the best Christian you can be, without imposing your will or superiority complex on anyone else. I saw religion for what it really is when i was 12 years old, it was the only thing i woke up to the easiest! I have a reason why that was but won't go into that now. Basically just by observing certain people in the community who i knew were bastards and who bowed and knelt to their God every sunday while the rest of the week...well you can imagine. This was even true of one priest!
Also when i referred to sheeple awhile back, i don't know how that got interpreted as meaning "christians" that had not even entered my head. Stop taking everything for you, we need now to be united, in our unique ways, in taking down the one universal "evil" that encompases the world, and of which we both know of, that's what's important now.
Please watch 2012 the future of mankind, but to see the part i'm referring to here go to the 3hr mark or so mark. It is a remarkable pyschological talk by Tsarion, and one for which he deserves huge praise.
Look i may have made mistakes too in the past reagarding people who still follow religion, but i've learned hopefully, we are all still learning, if we could all just get along it would help the process. We don't need anymore problems than we already have to deal with regarding eachother!
That's all, peace in uniqueness and respect of it :)
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Tsarion quotes from JESUS for heaven's sake!
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
God maybe wants his followers to realise they need to and can save themselves rather than waiting for him to come to save them and get them off the hook.
Yesterday i watched Michael Tsarion's presentation 2012 The Future of Mankind (posted mini clip below). I've posted about this before, but something drew me back to it yesterday (synchronicty) and well, it was what i needed to hear.
To the Christian members on this forum, maybe you'd like to watch that talk of Tsarions, or even skip through to the end part just to hear him as he talks with a Christian man who follows Tsarion's work and actually listens when Tsarion has something to say and likewise Tsarion listens to him.
Anyway Doug, the Christian, was asking Tsarion why he quotes for example Crowley in his work, and Tsarion replies because he is a synthesiser of many different scholars, poets( and general genius type people's work) without editing them out just because they may or may not have been "evil". Tsarion said he knows where he stands in this, he sees the dark side of these people and acknoledges that they had one, but that considering the horror and evil perpetuated by the world leaders in power then to be condemning people like Crowley on face value or how he has been portrayed (similar to condemning icke due to how he has been portrayed) then you miss out on their viewpoint, and even if they were horrendous evil people that doesn't mean they didn't have ingenius thoughts on humanity and its plight.
It's as simple as that. He then points out that Crowley was one of the first to actually point out the child sacrifices that were taking place and that he one who stood up against zionism etc. I don't know much about Crowley but if sometime i have a book of his come into my possession i would check it out to see what he had to say, take what you need from it and move on, doesn't mean you're on the dark side! If you know where you are in this that's where you'll stay, nothing changes.
Tsarion when asked a question about Nietzsche, that he is a nietzschian, meaning his thoughts and conceptions about things fit tsarion too. But as Tsarion said, just because he quotes from a few people doesn't mean he follows everything they were or are about. He's a synthesiser, which is what we all should be in this, coming and looking at all angles and not just setting up in one camp and staying there or avoiding looking at others cause this is the ONE.
Tsarion said that the Christian camp within the overall movement for truth is a very welcome addition, but that they have to realise they're not THE CAMP, the holier that thou camp that has all the answers. That you must remember that you are new to this, before Christianity came along the white occultists and people labeled as witches etc were already awake to this and fighting and giving their lives to help humanity, and thus were slaughtered.
Basically Tsarion's conclusion was that we all need to respect eachother's own SELFHOOD, that which is good for one person is contamination for another one's selfhood. Just think, if you were forced to live against who you really are inside, against your SELF, how that feels, i'm sure all of us have had to do that at some point in our lives and i know it feels like a physical pain to be away or denying the SELF, your own happy place, content feeling of being you and doing what makes you happy and reach your full potential. For me it's when i'm creative, painting, using my hands to make something out of nothing, caring for plants etc that is my SELFHOOD. That is all i need, it is ME.
If your selfhood is christianity then good for you, go with it, but don't try and impose it on the others who don't follow with you. As Tsarion said, when one person said that meditation is his way and he said everybody should do it..and Tsarion stopped him to say no, i don't want to hear about everybody, you said it first in "I feel", it's what I feel is the way to go for me, for anyone else it's contamination, we're constantly being led away from selfhood and this is what calls the emotional imbalances in the world, everyone at opposite with eachother, fighting to impose one's will, belief system whatever, each experience and way of being is unique to them, therefore their place of selfhood is unique to them too.
Don't think we all need saving (from what mister big bad icke is telling us) just becuase we see religion for what it represents to us, or for what it really is to us, when you find it a blessing and feel we should too. We don't for good reason but if you do, fine. Just be the best Christian you can be, without imposing your will or superiority complex on anyone else. I saw religion for what it really is when i was 12 years old, it was the only thing i woke up to the easiest! I have a reason why that was but won't go into that now. Basically just by observing certain people in the community who i knew were bastards and who bowed and knelt to their God every sunday while the rest of the week...well you can imagine. This was even true of one priest!
Also when i referred to sheeple awhile back, i don't know how that got interpreted as meaning "christians" that had not even entered my head. Stop taking everything for you, we need now to be united, in our unique ways, in taking down the one universal "evil" that encompases the world, and of which we both know of, that's what's important now.
Please watch 2012 the future of mankind, but to see the part i'm referring to here go to the 3hr mark or so mark. It is a remarkable pyschological talk by Tsarion, and one for which he deserves huge praise.
Look i may have made mistakes too in the past reagarding people who still follow religion, but i've learned hopefully, we are all still learning, if we could all just get along it would help the process. We don't need anymore problems than we already have to deal with regarding eachother!
That's all, peace in uniqueness and respect of it :)
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Tsarion quotes from JESUS for heaven's sake!
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
God maybe wants his followers to realise they need to and can save themselves rather than waiting for him to come to save them and get them off the hook.