Crop Circle Gallery

[arrowwind]

In the very center I see a symbol for nuclear energy. the three leaf circle.

[jayelowell]

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd269/polgara_bucket/petals.jpg

Looks like this one, taken from Nassim Harimens sitegood eye!!

[beldazar]

Couldnt resist! :D

[deafbred]

"the control room" ?

[phildee3]

In the very center I see a symbol for nuclear energy.



You mean the symbol for radioactive.

But the triangles curve the wrong way.

At the other end of the "leaf," they curve the correct way.

But they're on the edge facing out instead of in the middle facing in.

In this way, the formation effectively negates radioactivity!

[rhydra]

Just a long shot, a flower, DNA, messages/information implanted in the DNA? :confused:

[arrowwind]

Stretched:

2333

I'm talking about the center of this above crop circle. Radioactivity, yes, the symbol for that. I did a search on the symbol and found a few different
variations on it. But it may not be this at all.

[demise_of_time]

I highly suggest everyone in this thread who hasn't seen Nassim Haramein's lecture on the nature of reality/universe TO DO SO NOW!

Part 1: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=(PART+1)+Nassim&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#

Part 2: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=(PART+2)+NASSIM&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#

Start watching Part 1 at about 2:10 (yes, 2 hours and 10 minutes :) ) for the really exciting information, and watch a little before this point for more information on crop circles in general. MUST SEE!

[chattanova]

Avenue Stone Avenue, nr Avebury, Wiltshire. (reported 14th September)

http://img29.picoodle.com/data/img29/3/9/16/f_aveburystonm_c813484.jpg

http://img29.picoodle.com/data/img29/3/9/16/f_aveburystonm_d4992df.jpg

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/avburystoneavenue2/aveburystoneavenue2008b.html

[jayelowell]

I highly suggest everyone in this thread who hasn't seen Nassim Haramein's lecture on the nature of reality/universe TO DO SO NOW!

Part 1: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=(PART+1)+Nassim&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#

Part 2: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=(PART+2)+NASSIM&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#

Start watching Part 1 at about 2:10 (yes, 2 hours and 10 minutes :) ) for the really exciting information, and watch a little before this point for more information on crop circles in general. MUST SEE!x2! :D

[chattanova]

Summers Lane, Nr Broad Hinton, Wiltshire. (reported 18th September)

http://img34.picoodle.com/data/img34/3/9/21/f_P9208845fm_56c9e6f.jpg

A Pentagram in maize

A small pentagram has appeared in a maize crop on the outskirts of the Wiltshire village of Broad Hinton. This high crop makes the whole experience of visiting a formation in this crop quite different to visiting a formation in, oilseed rape, barley or wheat. The sheer height of the maize crop means one is enclosed into this design. Enveloped into the very fabric of this pentagram gives me a slightly strange feeling indeed.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/summers/summers2008.html

[chattanova]

Goodwood Motor Circuit, nr Goodwood, West Sussex. (reported 19th September)

http://img33.picoodle.com/data/img33/3/9/22/f_2050221m_29fc806.jpg

A mystery that’s out of this world has descended on the Goodwood Motor Circuit just 24 hours before the annual Goodwood Revival meeting – the world’s most authentic historic motor racing event – gets underway (19-21 September).

Mysterious crop circles have appeared in the grass at the legendary West Sussex circuit, which celebrates the 60th anniversary since its original opening at this weekend’s Revival meeting. The crop circles were discovered during final preparations before Goodwood opens its gates to 115,000+ excited motor racing enthusiasts on Friday 19 September.

The Revival is renowned for the IFOs (Identified Flying Objects) that traditionally appear at the event, with dramatic air displays scheduled this year to include Spitfires, Mustangs, the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight and the earth-shaking Vulcan bomber.

UFOs are a rather less common sight at the Revival, however, although sightings have previously been made of unidentified objects in the skies over the event. Numerous reports can be found on the internet of a UFO sighting at the Goodwood Revival on 5 September 2003. The aliens must have enjoyed their previous Revival visit so much that they obviously did not want to miss out on the 10th anniversary Goodwood Revival celebrations this weekend!

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/goodwood/goodwood2008a.html

[jayelowell]

hey chattanova,
would you know what crop circles occured during Aug.13-16? is so can you post them? thank you in advance!

[chattanova]

Knoll Down, Yatesbury, Wiltshire. (reported 21st September)

http://img28.picoodle.com/data/img28/3/9/22/f_northdown1am_f616ccf.jpg

http://img27.picoodle.com/data/img27/3/9/22/f_northdown2am_bf211ca.jpg

http://img29.picoodle.com/data/img29/3/9/22/f_3333m_5591041.gif

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/knolldown2/knolldown2008b.html

[phildee3]

...what crop circles occured during Aug.13-16?



They're all here:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/2008.html

[who elsie]

Knoll Down, Yatesbury, Wiltshire. (reported 21st September)

Must be one of the latest circles on record. All be it a brief one.

[lookfar]

Knoll Down, Yatesbury, Wiltshire. (reported 21st September)

Thanks for the update chatt, it's good to see they're still appearing this late in the season:) Hopefully have one to see when we have our meet up this weekend...:)

[jayelowell]

They're all here:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/2008.htmli looked but I cant find the crop circles of Aug. 15th I wanna see every one that occured on this date since 2003. Can anybody help?

[phildee3]

i looked but I cant find the crop circles of Aug. 15th I wanna see every one that occured on this date since 2003.



Sorry, I thought you meant this year.
You can view previous years on CCC if you pay a membership fee.

[beldazar]

You could try googling crop circles, Lucy Pringle has them gathered together somewhere. I think I know what you are looking for, Hassim said about it didnt he? How he expected another message on that date. I did briefly look but couldnt find it

[chattanova]

i looked but I cant find the crop circles of Aug. 15th I wanna see every one that occured on this date since 2003. Can anybody help?

Hey jay-ster :cool: This will do it for you http://www.x-cosmos.it/cropcircles/

[phildee3]

The "New Jerusalem" descending -
a five-dimensional ashlar.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/broadhinton/broadhinton2008.html

[jayelowell]

Hey jay-ster :cool: This will do it for you http://www.x-cosmos.it/cropcircles/
thanks chat;)

[biblegirl]

Hey jay-ster :cool: This will do it for you http://www.x-cosmos.it/cropcircles/

Thanks! Great site! :D

[romas]

The "New Jerusalem" descending -
a five-dimensional ashlar.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/broadhinton/broadhinton2008.html





Very cool, I get that "dimentional message" thing to, but I think it's more to do with 4th or 5th dimention, you can see 3 pillars as in 3D ? and the fourth one is "higher" the 4th one must be higher.

[lostinstrangeworld]

This is interesting......


http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=405&Itemid=70

[phildee3]

Very cool, I get that "dimentional message" thing to, but I think it's more to do with 4th or 5th dimention, you can see 3 pillars as in 3D ? and the fourth one is "higher" the 4th one must be higher.



Yes but it's still 3D.
The fourth dimension is hidden in what appears as squares at the ends of the four arms - but they are actually cubes (which is how we represent the New Jerusalem in our cubic ashlars).
The central "cube," then, contains the fifth dimension in it's apparantly (in the second, third and fourth dimensions) infinitely samll centre point which contains all the fifth dimensional information. The whole formation depicts/invokes the fifth dimension as "bursting forth" into the third (via the fourth).

[chattanova]

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/9/26/f_broadd2008am_f190b40.jpg

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/9/26/f_uk2006asm_9bc12fb.jpg

'skyscrapers from above', 2006 http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2006/uk2006as.shtml

[hagbard_celine]

Knoll Down, Yatesbury, Wiltshire. (reported 21st September)


Even after the harvet it's still worth lookng out for them because they can be seen in the stubble. I saw a lovely circle at Garsington, Oxfordshire in the stubble.:cool::)

(Also farmers are less likely to moan at you for walking in their fields after the harvest.)

[the nine]

I'm sorry to tell you they "bloody can".
By bessie mate was down by the White Horse and frequented an alehouse "the Barge Inn".He knows one of the creators of these works of art.
It is quite easy to make complecated patterns as long as you have six equal lengths of string and two poles.(Celtic Art).
It is impossible to make non-random patterns-even a machine can't.Show me one of these and i'll believe.

if these are all the works of humans with string and poles in the middle of the night, where are the one that didnt quite make it? the one with defects, the human element..MISTAKES!!
why arent there examples of almost perfect intricate designs but showing a major flaw or a half finished example where they got rumbled or was taken ill or had to go to the toilet....???

what would your friends say to that? some of these are over a quarter of a mile in size, that would be an awful lot of tension on the string and poles?

[chattanova]

if these are all the works of humans with string and poles in the middle of the night, where are the one that didnt quite make it? the one with defects, the human element..MISTAKES!!
why arent there examples of almost perfect intricate designs but showing a major flaw or a half finished example where they got rumbled or was taken ill or had to go to the toilet....???


That's an excellent point the nine .

[chattanova]

Avebury Down, nr Avebury, Wiltshire. (reported 28th September)

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/9/30/f_av1am_2948d60.jpg

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/aveburydown/aveburydown2008.html

[phildee3]

Avebury Down, nr Avebury, Wiltshire. (reported 28th September)



Is anyone working on cracking the barcode?

[sade]

Have you guys ever thought that crop circles could be made with soundwaves?
As an example, if you put salt on top of your stereo and turn it on (has to be a powerful stereo btw), the salt will start making formations. Salt or sand.

[jojo]

Avebury Down, nr Avebury, Wiltshire. (reported 28th September)

wow, that was the same weekend the forum meet took place in avebury!

[phildee3]

Have you guys ever thought that crop circles could be made with soundwaves?
As an example, if you put salt on top of your stereo and turn it on (has to be a powerful stereo btw), the salt will start making formations. Salt or sand.



This is called cymatics.

There are a limited number of formations produced this way - all are symmetrical.

But I do think you're on to something.
I think that harmonics of cymatic frequencies are involved and may well be a contributing factor.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Hmm, I would like to know what each crop circle means. There ought to be an excellent website for decoding them. David Wilcock is excellent at explaining them, but of course that's not his main area of work. Anyone know of a good website?

The latest crop circle looks like a cross, but I'm sure that there is some deep symbolism in it to do with dimensions or predictions for the future........

[phildee3]

I would like to know what each crop circle means.



Crop circles are a form of occult communication;
that is, the meaning is to be understood on a deep esoteric level within each individual. It is too cryptic to be explained.

As the master occultist himself said, two thousand years ago:
"he who has ears, let him hear!"

[lostinstrangeworld]

In which case I shall be practicing my powers of clairaudience. ;)

[phildee3]

In which case I shall be practicing my powers of clairaudience. ;)



You might have more success if you don't look at it as a "power" but an ability - which we all have. "Practicing" not by trying to understand but by simply letting it be. Meditate on the form and let it wash over you. Let it take root within you.

[romas]

Avebury Down, nr Avebury, Wiltshire. (reported 28th September)


Christ consiousness coming... :O

that was my first thought(wow am I programmed? I hope I dont need to buy swerdlofs DVD to cure myself LOL)

[lostinstrangeworld]

Christ consiousness coming... :O

that was my first thought(wow am I programmed? I hope I dont need to buy swerdlofs DVD to cure myself LOL)

LOL. I think the circles might mean more than the actual shape of the whole crop formation, but what do I know?

[lostinstrangeworld]

Did you mean Swerdlof or Swerdlow?

[romas]

Did you mean Swerdlof or Swerdlow?

Swerdlow, but I'm guessing it's russian/ukranian so it would be procounced Swerdlof in a correct manner :p



*EDIT*

This site claims it's of swedish decent, well maybe, but there's dozen people I kniw by the name sverdlov(pronounce as sverdlof) and their all ukranian russian decent o_0

[rich157]

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/aveburydown/ullens8a.jpg

La trinité ??

The ONE right in the middle, and the triangular formation at the bottom.

the union of three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) in one Godhead, or the threefold personality of the one Divine Being.

[hagbard_celine]

wow, that was the same weekend the forum meet took place in avebury!

So now we know what you did to pass the time!:D;)

[lostinstrangeworld]

I personally don't get as good vibes from this particular crop circle as I do from many of the others.

[jesta_g]

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/aveburydown/ullens8a.jpg

La trinité ??

The ONE right in the middle, and the triangular formation at the bottom.

the union of three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) in one Godhead, or the threefold personality of the one Divine Being.


could this rop circle represent our slar system in some way?
are we expecting a planetary alignment at all anytime soon?

i would love to hear what david wilcock has to say this.

[lostinstrangeworld]

could this rop circle represent our slar system in some way?
are we expecting a planetary alignment at all anytime soon?

i would love to hear what david wilcock has to say this.

Yeah, me too.

I'm so proud to live in the UK. :D

:p

[jayelowell]

Yeah, me too.

I'm so proud to live in the UK. :D

:pI'm so proud I live on earth...

[rich157]

It represents: The NWO messed up whilst trying to play god, thinking that there would be no consequences. :)

How wrong they are. They're about to get OWNed & they know it.


Notice the overall diamond shape the formation makes ?? The (II) diamond is their worst nightmare.

[arrowwind]

Could that be a space ship coming down upon a city?

[vogy]

This appears to indicate to me the process of nuclear fission.
See the diagram here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission#Chain_reactions
Quote:
"A schematic nuclear fission chain reaction. 1. A uranium-235 atom absorbs a neutron and fissions into two new atoms (fission fragments), releasing three new neutrons and some binding energy. 2. One of those neutrons is absorbed by an atom of uranium-238 and does not continue the reaction. Another neutron is simply lost and does not collide with anything, also not continuing the reaction. However one neutron does collide with an atom of uranium-235, which then fissions and releases two neutrons and some binding energy. 3. Both of those neutrons collide with uranium-235 atoms, each of which fissions and releases between one and three neutrons, which can then continue the reaction."
Another diagram:
http://home.att.net/~cat4a/images/Nuclear-Fission-Fusion_06.gif

Anyone else see the similarities? And the Beware fits quite appropriately.

[phildee3]

I'm so proud...



Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

[romas]

Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.


Said the man in the clouds?

[jesta_g]

This appears to indicate to me the process of nuclear fission.
See the diagram here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission#Chain_reactions
Quote:
"A schematic nuclear fission chain reaction. 1. A uranium-235 atom absorbs a neutron and fissions into two new atoms (fission fragments), releasing three new neutrons and some binding energy. 2. One of those neutrons is absorbed by an atom of uranium-238 and does not continue the reaction. Another neutron is simply lost and does not collide with anything, also not continuing the reaction. However one neutron does collide with an atom of uranium-235, which then fissions and releases two neutrons and some binding energy. 3. Both of those neutrons collide with uranium-235 atoms, each of which fissions and releases between one and three neutrons, which can then continue the reaction."
Another diagram:
http://home.att.net/~cat4a/images/Nuclear-Fission-Fusion_06.gif

Anyone else see the similarities? And the Beware fits quite appropriately.

awesome, yes i do see the similarities.

this crop circle could be more important than we think :)

nuclear fision chain reaction you say.... what is this crop circle trying to tell us ?

love it, very interesting

[phildee3]

Said the man in the clouds?



He may be on the other side of the veil but I wouldn't say "in the clouds," no.

He was St. John Cassian, a mystic from the south of France c. 360 - 435.
A pre-Roman practitioner of original Christianity.

[romas]

He may be on the other side of the veil but I wouldn't say "in the clouds," no.

He was St. John Cassian, a mystic from the south of France c. 360 - 435.
A pre-Roman practitioner of original Christianity.



Ahh, cool thanks!

I always thought pride was just stupid :)

[phildee3]

Ahh, cool thanks!

I always thought pride was just stupid :)



Me too.
Stuck up and arrogant!

[chattanova]

'2 formations' U Lázničků” at the Plumlov dam., -Czech Republic (reported 7th July)

http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/3/10/20/f_1m_7d42dcf.jpg

http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/3/10/20/f_2m_83e129e.jpg

Crop circles near to Plumlov

On Monday July 7th 2008 a circle and two rings with depressed cereals were found near to the beach of “U Lázničků” at the Plumlov dam. The first news concerning the crop circle appeared in the newspaper “Prostějovský deník” on Tuesday July 8th and later it was taken from by other news media.

Sometime after this, supposedly just on Tuesday other picture appeared or more precisely was made. Its distance from the first one was a few tens of meters only and it was found on the other side of the neighbouring road. The second picture was a little more complicated being composed from seven circles and five adjacent rings.

The first survey was made by my colleagues Pavel Kobza and Milan Delinger just after the second picture appeared. The stalks that could not have been injured by visitors yet were found to be tumbled in such a way that it was clear at first glance who might be the creator of the pictures…

As for the other details, the creators laid out to be perfect. The centres of the circles with standing and knotty stalks, for example, were almost perfect… They were not only made in an interesting way but placed in all the cases out of the geometric centre. In our times, it can be found almost in any book dealing with the crop circle the centres of the right circles do not usually lie exactly in the geometric centres and that’s why this mark has only a little respect to our survey. In any case, the right centre at every measurement, however the formation complicated is, can be always an interesting spot and it is very useful to try to find it. We needed only a short time for measuring and drawing aside the tumbled corn in the neighbourhood of the centres and searching and after that the hole made with the gauge pin was found in every one of the examined circles.

We have visited the pictures twice. The standard survey was made and in spite of many defects found on both the pictures the samples for testing were taken from them. No biophysical anomalies were seen on the tumbled plants just at the place. The lodged corn in both of the pictures corresponded to a simple tumbling without any complicated creating of the lodged flats with the only exception of the above mentioned centres.

We thought the time when the circle makers leaved such clear marks of their activity belonged to a long-passed history. Nevertheless, it seems a group of new circle makers were “training” in the neighbourhood of the town Prostějov.

The aim of the circle makers in that case might be to draw attention of the local inhabitants or of the people coming to the Plumlov dam. The first picture is sure to draw attention of every people driving round. The second one could be well seen both from a larger distance and from the beach near-by.

The news paper “Prostějovský deník” brought out: The policemen expect lots of hard work by clearing up the property damage of the Plumlov collective farmers. In the case the people are not just caught on beating down the corn it is very difficult to prove them anything.

I can only add their work will be made a little easier in that case. The creator of those pictures was with lot of probability not any unknown force, but a man.



Jan Cerny
Jiri Kult

Czech Crop Circle Web Site www.cropcircles.cz

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2008/czech/Plumlov/Plumlov2008.html

[friendship]

Whoa! That's amazing!

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5686/hampshireengland02mc6.jpg

Yeah right, i forgot it's just people out at night with string and skis!

thats not all. you can even play the disk with it if you make a copy...some one did. not all that hot.
:)

[phildee3]

thats not all. you can even play the disk with it if you make a copy...some one did. not all that hot.


Who? What? Why? Where? When?
Link please!!!

[friendship]

quote:
"The message on the E.T. disk has been translated anonymously and confirmed by decoding experts as follows:

"Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES.
Much PAIN but still time. BELIEVE There is GOOD out there.
We OPpose DECEPTION.
Conduit CLOSING (BELL SOUND)"

This is how the translation is decoded, with certain letters capitalized. The binary code shown in the disk has other layers of meaning yet to be revealed. Regardless of how this image was created or, why anyone or any being was guided to create this crop circle, it is sending us a message and I am grateful."

here is the link for that (http://www.etfriends.com/LFAS.html).

ground photos by a crop circle investigators (http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface2.html).

gook run around maybe. still link (http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface.html).

[phildee3]

quote:
"The message on the E.T. disk has been translated anonymously and confirmed by decoding experts as follows:

"Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES.
Much PAIN but still time. BELIEVE There is GOOD out there.
We OPpose DECEPTION.
Conduit CLOSING (BELL SOUND)"



We knew that!

You said it could be played if you make a copy.
Info on this please.

[signs]

Any first year doing genetics would be able to tell you that two genotypically different seed types could yield a bimodal germination pattern. In fact, the exploitation and selection of genotypes is the basis for all plant breeding and has been for centuries.

To bring in energy types as an explanation for bimodal germination is absolute mince and casts serious, serious doubts on the validity of “W. C. Levengood, Biophysicist”.

So, as encouraged by ML and having a spare 10 minutes, I “dug a bit deeper” into the research of WC Levengood, biophysicist. It seems that he retired 10 years ago under somewhat dubious circumstances ;)and is, according to him “currently studying very low electrical pulses in the molecular structure of water and living systems. He has been also working on the secret of the Water of Life. He showed that a spring water treated by Michael El Nour acquires a different molecular structure and contains what he calls "free energy". This energy is different from electricity”.

Unsurprisingly, he has not published anything on this “research”. He did publish an article in a scientific journal, Physiological Plant, on the alien causes of crop circles. The journal took the almost unprecedented step of publishing two separate “commentaries” on Levengood’s paper in the same edition. This was in 1999 and since then no published paper has ever been published, supporting aliens as a cause of crop circles.

. It is because there is NO verifiable evidence to support such a claim.:rolleyes: All physiological and morphological data has been shown to have perfectly reasonable explanations without resorting to aliens and all video evidence has been shown to be hoaxes.[/QUOTE]




this a copy of an e-mail i got on WC Levengood, biophysicist, from a debunker iam no biophysicist but is the debunker right in his renderings of seed bimodal germination pattern, he then goes on to discredit WC Levengood , does anyone know if he is right about him and his quote on ALL VIDEO EVIDENCE is hoaxed on crop formations being created seems a bit ill informed and desperate, any thoughts on this anyone. :confused:

[phildee3]

"All physiological and morphological data has been shown to have perfectly reasonable explanations without resorting to aliens and all video evidence has been shown to be hoaxes."

any thoughts on this anyone.



Yes.
Levengood rules out hoaxes (in the majority of cases) but does not claim that they are made by "aliens" either.
This debunker doesn't consider any other explanation for the formations. They're either "aliens" or "hoaxes."
From what I've seen, Levengood's work merely shows that they are produced remotely rather than manually.

[alrick888]

http://www.mininova.org/tor/277495

culled from conspiracycentral. Lots of interesting torrents there!

[phildee3]

http://www.mininova.org/tor/277495

culled from conspiracycentral. Lots of interesting torrents there!



Description:
Crop Circles
Episode Description Hoaxers have admitted to faking the phenomena, but are they to blame for all the incidents, or could aliens really be trying to communicate through flattened stalks of corn?

Thanks but no thanks.
The same, lame plankers or aliens thesis.
A million miles from even attempting to find the truth!

[phildee3]

Thanks but no thanks.
The same, lame plankers or aliens thesis.
A million miles from even attempting to find the truth!



Interesting!
Within minutes of posting this I received an email from Veli Martin Keitel inviting me to a showing of his film next Tuesday.
He's saying exactly what I have in my last two postings -
check it out:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sh-NbYUVVag
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=y2zMeFZwQhk

[beldazar]

Thanks for posting them Phildee, is there a film out then?

Would you give me a clearer understanding as to what they mean? Are the wormholes gaps between dimensions? Isnt the next dimension the astral plane where the 'bad guys' are meant to reside or does it come from a different, higher dimension? :confused:

[phildee3]

Thanks for posting them Phildee, is there a film out then?



Google "cereal wormholes" for more info.



Would you give me a clearer understanding as to what they mean? Are the wormholes gaps between dimensions?



Not gaps, - portals.

Meaning is revealed within you.
Only you can give yourself clearer understanding - by spending more time studying them, contemplating them, etc.

They are, essentially, self-explanatory.

[beldazar]

Thanks Phildee :)

[alrick888]

I heard the Finnish hold "circle pissing contests".

He who pisses the most intricate circle in a virgin snow field wins....

[hagbard_celine]

I heard the Finnish hold "circle pissing contests".

He who pisses the most intricate circle in a virgin snow field wins....

People in Finland are outstandingly and charismatically weird!:cool::D

[chattanova]

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/3/11/10/f_CropCircleSm_c99273a.jpg

[lookfar]

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/3/11/10/f_CropCircleSm_c99273a.jpg

Wow!! I didn't realise they'd been around since 1988 & so many of em too! Although are those stats counting the obvious fakes I wonder?

[biblegirl]

sheesh, you english people get all the fun stuff!

[who elsie]

sheesh, you english people get all the fun stuff!

I wouldn't go quite that far myself - Our English summers aren't all that fun - with endless floods & storms etc, but we are lucky to have the crop circles. I think it is no coincidence that they tend to appear more in this country than anywhere else, because it is one of the key points on the world energy grid, if not THE key point. It all seems to hinge around Avebury and Stonehenge - 2 magical places. I've visited some amazing crop circles in that area, particularly around Avebury and have always thought how lucky we are in this part of the world to be able to experience something so incredible. But still most people in UK never bother or even know they exist. :eek:

[lostinstrangeworld]

Does anyone know when crop circles were first seen?

Or have they been around since ancient times?

[alrick888]

Does anyone know when crop circles were first seen?

Or have they been around since ancient times?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle

The earliest recorded image resembling a crop circle is depicted in a 17th century English woodcut called the Mowing-Devil. The image depicts the Devil with a scythe mowing (cutting)[10] a circular design in a field of oats. The pamphlet containing the image states that the farmer, disgusted at the wage his mower was demanding for his work, insisted that he would rather have "the devil himself" perform the task.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Diablefaucheur.jpg
1678 pamphlet on the Mowing-Devil.

A more recent historical report of crop circles was republished (from Nature, volume 22, pp 290-291, 29 July 1880) in the January 2000 issue of the Journal of Meteorology.[11] It describes the 1880 investigations by amateur scientist John Rand Capron:

"The storms about this part of Surrey have been lately local and violent, and the effects produced in some instances curious. Visiting a neighbour's farm on Wednesday evening (21st), we found a field of standing wheat considerably knocked about, not as an entirety, but in patches forming, as viewed from a distance, circular spots....I could not trace locally any circumstances accounting for the peculiar forms of the patches in the field, nor indicating whether it was wind or rain, or both combined, which had caused them, beyond the general evidence everywhere of heavy rainfall. They were suggestive to me of some cyclonic wind action,..."[12]

In 1966, one of the most famous accounts of UFO traces happened in the small town of Tully, Queensland, Australia. A sugar cane farmer said he witnessed a saucer-shaped craft rise 30 or 40 feet (12 m) up from a swamp and then fly away, and when he went to investigate the location where he thought the saucer had landed, he found the reeds intricately weaved in a clockwise fashion on top of the water. The woven reeds could hold the weight of 10 men.

There are also many other anecdotal accounts of crop circles in Ufology literature that predate the modern crop circle phenomena, though some cases involve crops which were cut or burnt, rather than flattened.

[haukipesukone]

People in Finland are outstandingly and charismatically weird!:cool::D

Thank you. You are truly a wise man.

Except I am not currently in Finland, I'm just from Finland.

[hagbard_celine]

Thank you. You are truly a wise man.

Except I am not currently in Finland, I'm just from Finland.

Good on ya!:D

I've been to Finland and it was a beautiful country. It took a bit of time to get used to the people though. They're so withdrawn and mind their own business, but when they've had a few beers they soon open up and are great for a laugh!:cool: I was once acosted by a drunk man in a pub and we spent an hour talking even though he couldn't speak English and my Finnish was bearly beyond the Berlitz phrasebook level. It's the only time I've had a decent discussion with somebody where neither of us knew what the other was saying!:D:eek:

[tjohn]

Another video below:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6009948474707432943&q=ufo+crop+circleSorry, the 'orb' was a bird! Can even see the wings flap.

[chattanova]

Ipuacu, Santa Catarina State, -Brazil
(reported 8th november)

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/3/11/12/f_DSC0158m_504f229.jpg



We finally had the first crop circle in Brazil ever. I am at the location investigating. See some photos attached. I will get a full report in a couple of days.

Location - Ipuacu, Santa Catarina State, south of Brazil.

Estimated date and time - From 10 pm Saturday 8th to 02 am Sunday 9th, November 2008.

Description - 2 independent figures separated by 5 km from each other. Each figure is a circle with aprox. 20 m diameter with a external ring. Many witnesses reported lights.

Harvest - Wheat.

I will get more details and photos soon.

A. J. Gevaerd,
Editor, Brazilian UFO Magazine
www.ufo.com.br

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2008/brazil/brazil2008b.html

[lakkimakki]

I cannot believe it!!! I just showed these to my mate, and he still insists they're man-made!!

Fool!!!:D

so what do you think ?

few aliens driving alien combain made this . of Some Astronauts making pranks,
by using intergalactic gun and ....:D:D:D

[between hills]

This pics, are unbeliveable, but awesome. How can human have made anything like this......

[bensonz]

Awesome dude

[lewi]

Police tear-gas farmers in clash over French GM crops

http://www.agbioworld.org/newsletter_wm/index.php?caseid=archive&newsid=2763

;)

[chattanova]

This vid won't work for me, but I'm posting it anyway_ could be good. (from the latest headlines section)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETOag6XOeeQ&eurl=http://www.davidicke.com/content/blogcategory/30/82/

[hagbard_celine]

This vid won't work for me, but I'm posting it anyway_ could be good. (from the latest headlines section)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETOag6XOeeQ&eurl=http://www.davidicke.com/content/blogcategory/30/82/


It looks a bit old and it's not a very good summary of Crop Circles. I'm surprised I'd never heard of these engraved plates before. Is this for real?:confused:

[who elsie]

It looks a bit old and it's not a very good summary of Crop Circles. I'm surprised I'd never heard of these engraved plates before. Is this for real?:confused:

I've never heard of these plates before, either, which makes me think it's probably a hoax. The film also seems quite old, as it only seems to highlight circles from the early 90's. But if anybody else knows more, please share.

[lookfar]

Yeah I'd like to hear more on those too cos that's the first I've ever heard of them! They made it sound like they were very rare, so how come it's never been mentioned before?:confused:

[phildee3]

Well, either it was found out that the plates were a hoax soon after their "discovery"
OR
it was hushed up by tptb and has just resurfaced as part of the recent declassification program(s).

More here:
http://mmmgroup.altervista.org/e-platesincrop.html

The first video on this site is the same as what has been posted, plus additional material commencing at 5:16 (including the only video of Dr. Levengood that I've ever seen).

[noewhan]

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5686/hampshireengland02mc6.jpg
(hampshire, england-02)



Amazing.

Here's a full explanation of crop circles by Maurice Earl Osborn. (Slow, but cool!)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4648118096940261221

All of the real crop circles have mainly 2 purposes, a message for people, and a frequency for Earth. George Green also says this:

George Green - The Real X Files (Coast to Coast am - MP3)
http://www.tobop.com.au/TDownloads/C2C-GG-GN.zip

He claims to have met ETs through Billy Meier. I've herd he was a hoax, but it's still interesting.

(I wasn't sure if I should start a new thread.)

http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/eg-arcibo-glyph.jpg

This 'Arecibo message' is explained in the video, but it's very detailed. We sent the message under 'Arecibo' (in the pic). And something like 20+ years later, the face crop circle along with the formation under 'Chilbolton Glyph'. It includes details about DNA, population and home planets.

I'd like to see someone fake that. Although, I also think there's a distinct possibility that some crop circles are made by certain elements of the Government/Army. And noways people can buy their own formation.

[romas]

Yeah the hilarious part was that this imprint appeared next to the station that fired the primitive signal into the abyss, so while they were expecting a primitive answer they had a straightforward image in the back yard, somehow they've managed to sweep that under the carpet and pretend the aliens never picked the phone up?

[noewhan]

Amazing.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4648118096940261221


For some reason, I can't see the above link on my other post.

Yeah the hilarious part was that this imprint appeared next to the station that fired the primitive signal into the abyss, so while they were expecting a primitive answer they had a straightforward image in the back yard, somehow they've managed to sweep that under the carpet and pretend the aliens never picked the phone up?

Yeh, it's kinda sad to say the least.

[lewi]

http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/sound.html

Over the years, a number of humming, trilling and other 'unexplained' sounds have been heard in the vicinity of crop circles. One of the earliest experiences of this kind was documented by Arthur Shuttlewood in the magazine Now! (29th Aug 1988) and later reprinted in Terrence Meaden's Journal of Meteorology (vol.9, 1984) in which a number of people witnessed the formation of a circle as it appeared in long grass near Starr Hill in West Wiltshire (UK). To quote from their experience,

"Suddenly the grass began to sway before our eyes and laid itself flat in a clockwise spiral, just like the opening of a lady's fan. A perfect circle was completed in less than half a minute, all the time accompanied by a high-pitched humming sound. It was still there the next day".


;)

[classified]

i yust know if you wona know if aliens are good or bad u need to look theirs crop circule massages. and i would like if somebody know somebody that decoded some cropcircle. or massage of it. and dose he have any movie on youtube. i am intrested in ordinary cropcircles

[chattanova]

i yust know if you wona know if aliens are good or bad u need to look theirs crop circule massages. and i would like if somebody know somebody that decoded some cropcircle. or massage of it. and dose he have any movie on youtube. i am intrested in ordinary cropcircles

Yes try Physicist Nassim Haramein, he have some juicy teories on the patterns.
He's really into his stuff.

[jayelowell]

Does anybody know whats the lastest crop circle?

[lakkimakki]

Does anybody know whats the lastest crop circle?

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/whatsnew.html

[hagbard_celine]

Does anybody know whats the lastest crop circle?

Tt'll be CC season in the southern hemisphere now. See what Australia, New Zealand and southern Africa have to offer.

[phildee3]

Tt'll be CC season in the southern hemisphere now. See what Australia, New Zealand and southern Africa have to offer.



I didn't know this forum was only for the northern hemisphere. :confused:

I mean, surely nobody is that dumb that they'd be asking what crop circles were being made in the depths of winter!!

[signs]

biophysicist W.C. Levengood's , was he ever exposed as a fraud or was it an attempted high jack of his information to silence him.

[phildee3]

biophysicist W.C. Levengood's , was he ever exposed as a fraud or was it an attempted high jack of his information to silence him.



Was what an attempted hijack of his information to silence him??

[signs]

Was what an attempted hijack of his information to silence him??

That is what i am asking , did his findings or himself suffer a kind of Bob Lazar type debunking to affect his credibility.There is someone claiming that he was discovered as a fraud. :cool:


Or to put it this i remember years ago when the crop formations were starting and attracting scientific interest and soil samples and crops were being tested for anomalies, some were found with anomalies.Was his findings or himself debunked, is there any more evidence from other sources that have passed scientific examination that show anomalies in crop and soil samples.Cheers.

[phildee3]

That is what i am asking , did his findings or himself suffer a kind of Bob Lazar type debunking to affect his credibility.There is someone claiming that he was discovered as a fraud. :cool:

Or to put it this i remember years ago when the crop formations were starting and attracting scientific interest and soil samples and crops were being tested for anomalies, some were found with anomalies.Was his findings or himself debunked, is there any more evidence from other sources that have passed scientific examination that show anomalies in crop and soil samples.Cheers.



To my knowledge Levengood was never debunked nor was there any attempt made to debunk him.
Who has claimed him to be a fraud?

I seem to recall that there were other lab analyses that produced supportive results but I can't remember who did them off hand.

Linda Moulton Howe's website would be a good place to look.

[signs]

To my knowledge Levengood was never debunked nor was there any attempt made to debunk him.
Who has claimed him to be a fraud?

I seem to recall that there were other lab analyses that produced supportive results but I can't remember who did them off hand.

Linda Moulton Howe's website would be a good place to look.



Yes you are right about the other lab analyses that produced supportive results , here is a list of them below.I would not be surprised if he was targeted for debunking, his findings surely blow the lid on that all formations are man made.The fact that circle fakers could not replicate the anomalies he and his collogues found in the soil and crop samples from certain formations is a big blow to those who wish to fool the public into excepting that all ALL formations are faked or man made.Unless they go out at night with giant microwaves in the shape of highly complex formation designs.:D:D




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[phildee3]

...his findings surely blow the lid on that all formations are man made.



No.
They blow the lid on that all formations are manually made.
People do odd things, and it's not impossible that some are using advanced technology to produce some, or all, of those made by remote means.

[hagbard_celine]

Leavengood is a hero in my view. He really stuck out his neck when he published his results.:)

People are always disputing the Leavengood study; that's inevitable:rolleyes:. But as far as I can tell it looks like it was conducted properly and after all these years and far more study, has not been successfully dispoved:cool:.

[chattanova]

Paul Vigay, CropCircle Researcher, Found Dead On Beach

The Shockingly Tragic Loss of Paul Vigay

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/2/25/f_PaulVigayBym_a22dd60.jpg

Friday morning I was expecting to hear from Paul after exchanging a number of
e-mails during the week about the 1989 Cheesefoot Head sound analysis he did
for me. I was looking out for his anticipated message when I received an e-mail
from Kerry McKenna with Paul's name in the subject line. Instead of the reply I
was expecting from Paul it was the shocking news that his body had been
washed up in the English Channel at Southsea, near where he lived.

Like many of my research colleagues and friends I am deeply shocked and upset
at this terrible loss.

Paul was reliable and trusted by all of his friends and others who knew him. A
genuinely nice person and a highly intelligent young man.

We had carried out a number pf projects together over the years, since I first met
him at the launch of 'Circular Evidence' near Winchester in 1989. Paul met me
there with his lovely mother, who could hardly contain her love for him. I could
see where his gentle nature came from.

He visited my home in Andover several times with every electronic gadget known
to man and even more amazing was that he knew how they all worked.

I wondered if I should share a strangeness in our final correspondence this week
and believe there is no harm in doing so. I shared this with my friend Dave Haith
a short while ago.

It was as if we knew we were saying goodbye to each other.

One day before Paul was reported missing, Wednesday (Feb 18th) in what was
to be the last e-mail from Paul at 3.41 pm (UK), he said:

.............."Anyway, keep up the good work, and I'm sure that those genuine
seekers for the truth will be able to wade through the various arguments and
politics, if they don't get fed up in the meantime! - Best regards Paul".

My reply to him and the last e-mail sent read:

"Paul, I want you to know its the open and fair way you conduct yourself that I
admire and tell others about. I so appreciate and like your approach. I cant see
how anyone would find a problem with that approach but as we both know,
somehow they do.......OK, have a good one Paul. Colin"

At around 7.0 pm US Eastern time, Mid-night in England, I went to the barn to
feed our animals and had the most eerie feeling, of quiet peace, also of a
presence. This very strange feeling is one Ive had before when terrible things
like this have happened. I came back to our house and told my wife about the
feeling. I later learned that this was one hour after Paul was reported missing.

Below is a statement by Paul posted on his website which speaks to the nature of
the man.

http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/

article/more http://www.colinandrews.net/PaulVigayPassing.html

[beldazar]

Yes thats really sad, I read it this morning :(

[lookfar]

Paul Vigay, CropCircle Researcher, Found Dead On Beach

OMG chatt, that's well shocking & happened not far from where I live!!:eek::( It makes you wonder whether his death was suspicious doesn't it. Bless him, may he rest in peace. Sending love to his family and friends.

Thanks for sharing.

[phildee3]

People are always disputing the Leavengood study;



I have never seen Levengood's results disputed.
Citations please.

[signs]

I have never seen Levengood's results disputed.
Citations please.




Try this link , do not thing he is putting a very good case on the debunking of Levengoods findings..



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=21&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ufologie.net%2Fhtm%2Fcropnic. htm&ei=SXGmSePIOISJjAfkyJHgDw&usg=AFQjCNFaR_V6sqLtch9PEDbal1V3f6PeOg&sig2=8qGNDzqAQ4y3zEpmUeYiFQ

[phildee3]

Try this link , do not thing he is putting a very good case on the debunking of Levengoods findings..

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=21&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ufologie.net%2Fhtm%2Fcropnic. htm&ei=SXGmSePIOISJjAfkyJHgDw&usg=AFQjCNFaR_V6sqLtch9PEDbal1V3f6PeOg&sig2=8qGNDzqAQ4y3zEpmUeYiFQ

Thanks for the link.
I found this on the same website, by the same guy, and is a more detailed attempt at debunking Levengood:
http://www.ufologie.net/htm/croppgexpnodes.htm

Yeh, you're right. He's pretty useless!
I think you will find that Levengood's samples were taken from from fresh formations, where there were no broken stems.
For the node anomalies to be produced in the way this guy claims, there would have to be breakage below the nodes and several days would have to have passed before the samples were taken.

Any others?

[signs]

Thanks for the link.
I found this on the same website, by the same guy, and is a more detailed attempt at debunking Levengood:
http://www.ufologie.net/htm/croppgexpnodes.htm

Yeh, you're right. He's pretty useless!
I think you will find that Levengood's samples were taken from from fresh formations, where there were no broken stems.
For the node anomolies to be produced in the way this guy claims, there would have to be breakage below the nodes and several days would have to have passed before the samples were taken.


You are right about the nodes, wonder if this guy has really thought through his debunking argument or just clutching at straws in a desperate attempt to look clever? The points you raised about the nodes proves he is not so well informed as he thought.Debunkers like him really give themselves away but i think that is always the case in people who are desperate and rush into assumptions based on poor research.:). There is no doubt that these findings from Lavengood and his associates goes a long way into highlighting that not all formations are man made and that some un known is responsible.

[phildee3]

wonder if this guy has really thought through his debunking argument or just clutching at straws



Ouch!!
I like it!



There is no doubt that these findings from Lavengood and his associates goes a long way into highlighting that not all formations are man made and that some un known is responsible.



Just because they are made remotely doesn't mean they are not man made.
Levengood's work doesn't even begin to show that the're not, - only that they are made remotely.

[signs]

Ouch!!
I like it!



Just because they are made remotely doesn't mean they are not man made.
Levengood's work doesn't even begin to show that the're not, - only that they are made remotely.



Fair point but what ever it shows it is pointing to an un known agency, while i do not rule out some sort of secret military involvement i also do not rule out UFO agencies or their intelligences.I will always keep my mind open on this enigma , just my way of keeping all possibilities active.:cool:

[signs]

Linda Moulton Howe's Mysterious Lights and Crop Circles
08-Dec-2000


Linda Moulton Howe is America's leading edge science reporter. By being careful to never explore beyond the limits of solid scientific credibility, she has built an unchallenged reputation for accurate reporting in the most difficult areas that science has to offer.


Her new book, Mysterious Lights and Crop Circles, is the first American book to seriously take on the crop circle mystery, approaching the phenomenon from a strictly scientific viewpoint.

Linda Howe brings together the crop circle work of many different scientists and observers, and shows conclusively that the circles represent a scientific mystery that is completely genuine. The most complex and extraordinary looking circles also have the most firm claim to being of unknown origin, contrary to recent media reports.

This book will galvanize the reader with excitement as it moves expertly from one argument to the next, showing through solid science that crop circles are a real mystery. It finally becomes an awesome experience to read, as it becomes increasingly clear that the circles are connected with mysterious lights and glows appearing in the fields, that seem to be, in essence, a very new phenomenon.

Little-known facts are discussed in the beautifully illustrated volume, such as the incredible phenomenon that emerged a year after a circle appeared in a field. Crop that had been inside the circle matured more slowly than crop around it, creating another beautiful image even after the original circle was long gone.

The book is filled with illustrations, many in color, and includes photographs of strange lights in the sky or orbs of light in and around the circles that defy explanation.

This is quite possibly the most important book on crop circles ever written, and should bring the controversy about their origin to an end. They are not being made by human beings. They are being made by a mysterious presence that is not only creating them, but apparently growing in skill as the years pass. It begins to appear almost goal-oriented in some way, as if it was moving toward a conclusion of some kind.

Linda Moulton Howe has provided a great service to us all with this book. It is beautifully written, magnificently illustrated and extremely credible. She has done something that has almost never been done before: she has gathered solid and irrefutable proof of the presence of a very real mystery among us.

Of course, her data will be ignored and her conclusions disputed by those with a vested interest in the status-quo. But anybody who takes an interest in genuine scientific mysteries cannot fail to be excited and awed by Linda Moulton Howe's Mysterious Lights and Crop Circles.

$25.00 + S/H Call 1-800-898-0284 or Order Online.


Now this is well worth a read, just to keep the possibilities open.

[phildee3]

Fair point but what ever it shows it is pointing to an un known agency, while i do not rule out some sort of secret military involvement i also do not rule out UFO agencies or their intelligences.I will always keep my mind open on this enigma , just my way of keeping all possibilities active.:cool:



Of course.
That was my point.
We should keep open to all possibilities as long as the makers are unknown - including men, women, ETs, ITs and fieldmice!!

[signs]

Of course.
That was my point.
We should keep open to all possibilities as long as the makers are unknown - including men, women, ETs, ITs and fieldmice!!




fieldmice!! :D, now, could you imagine the red faces amongst the experts in this field never mind the invasion of the Hollywood film makers , ect.:rolleyes:

[phildee3]

fieldmice!! :D, now, could you imagine the red faces amongst the experts in this field never mind the invasion of the Hollywood film makers , ect.:rolleyes:



Hollywood would be at a total loss to know how to deal with this and "the experts" would be thrilled with what I have in mind.

I'm thinking of transmissions from spirit at sub-DNA level which could just as easily come from fieldmice, worms, micorhizae or even minerals within certain rocks, as it can from our own subconscious mind (collective, or otherwise) - which is a widely accepted theory.

[chattanova]

OMG chatt, that's well shocking & happened not far from where I live!!:eek::( It makes you wonder whether his death was suspicious doesn't it. Bless him, may he rest in peace. Sending love to his family and friends.

Thanks for sharing.

Yes it's starting to seem suspicious espessially now that another researcher have left us too :confused: Though it was a long time struggle with cancer but anyways..

Two crop-circle experts die within hours of each other



The crop circle community has been left stunned after two of its leading lights died within hours of each other.

Dorset investigator and conference organiser David Kingston passed away last week after a year-long battle with cancer.

Meanwhile, the body of crop circle investigator Paul Vigay was found on the Hampshire coast at Southsea.

Mr Kingston was a prominent organiser in the crop circle and UFO research fields, running one of the biggest website and holding a prominent annual conference in Dorchester.

The 70-year-old began full-time UFO research in 1976 and began investigating crop circles in the late 1980s. The Dorchester conferences began in the mid 1990s, after he started lecturing on UFOs, crop circles and conspiracy theories.

The conferences scheduled for this spring and summer were cancelled when Mr Kingston's health took a turn for the worse recently.

Fellow researcher and friend David Haith said: "His wife Mary and his family were at his bedside.

"He was a tireless worker for truth and through his website, conferences and lectures, encouraged a great number of people to go on their own explorations of the mysteries of the universe.

"Now David is en route to uncovering one of the greatest mysteries of all and we wish him a fond bon voyage on his last great journey," he added.

Mr Kingston, from Weymouth, said he first saw UFOs while serving with the RAF all over the world, and found his true calling when links were made between the new phenomenon of crop circles and UFOs in the late 1980s.

His conferences hosted lectures by the world's most prominent experts on UFOs and crop circles, including the British Government's former UFO investigator Nick Pope and Troggs frontman Reg Presley.

Another to have lectured at the Dorchester spring conferences was Paul Vigay, a mathematician and computer expert who became one of the leading lights of the crop circle world.

His body was found on the shore at Southsea, near Portsmouth, last Thursday – police say the circumstances surrounding his death are not suspicious.

Mr Vigay, 44, was well known in the fields of Wiltshire and renowned among crop circle devotees as an expert at decoding the hidden meanings in crop circle patterns. "Paul was one of the brightest stars in the crop circle universe," said circle photographer and researcher Lucy Pringle.

"A talented mathematician, computer technician and a maker of electronic gadgets, he was one of the first researchers into the crop circle phenomenon in the early 1990s, where his talents were quickly recognised.

"He had an exceptional gift for investigation and often led the field in deciphering the mathematical aspects found in certain crop circles. He was amazingly articulate and he had a rare knack of being able to explain technical details in the simplest language. He has made a major contribution to the subject and his place will not be easily filled," she added.

Mr Vigay's friend of 23 years Claire Diestler, 39, from Bedhampton, said she visited him for a cup of coffee last Tuesday. She said: "He was absolutely fine, that's why I am so shocked. There was absolutely no indication that anything was wrong. In fact he was quite jokey. We all feel a bit guilty having seen him.

"We are all worried we did not pick up on something.'

Mrs Diestler added: "He was really interested in UFOs and anything a bit unusual like crop circles.

"He used to go to Wiltshire quite a lot to take photographs of them. He was really popular and had a lot of friends. He was very funny and we always had some great laughs," she said.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/wdp/news/crop-circle-experts-die-hours/article-723573-detail/article.html

[biblegirl]

His body was found on the shore at Southsea, near Portsmouth, last Thursday – police say the circumstances surrounding his death are not suspicious.

:confused:

[phildee3]

:confused:



;) (:rolleyes:)

[lewi]

THE Queen and Prince Philip were gripped by the mystery of crop circles, it was revealed yesterday.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/royals/article2163465.ece

Letters seen by The Sun showed the couple asked to be kept informed about the weird farmland patterns.


Her Maj also asked an aide to send a sympathetic letter to Britain’s leading expert whose research was under threat. And Philip was so intrigued he had newsletters on the circles — thought by many to be created by extraterrestrial beings — sent to Buckingham Palace.



Strange how they only now start to take an intrest is it not ;)

[hagbard_celine]

THE Queen and Prince Philip were gripped by the mystery of crop circles, it was revealed yesterday.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/royals/article2163465.ece

Letters seen by The Sun showed the couple asked to be kept informed about the weird farmland patterns.


Her Maj also asked an aide to send a sympathetic letter to Britain’s leading expert whose research was under threat. And Philip was so intrigued he had newsletters on the circles — thought by many to be created by extraterrestrial beings — sent to Buckingham Palace.



Strange how they only now start to take an intrest is it not ;)

They don't talk about it much, (Why?:confused: Well we can go into that next!) but Philip is very interested in the Paranormal, especially UFO's. It was on his orders that Air Marshall Sir Peter Horsley met with the alien "Mr Janus". If you've not heard about this case it's fascinating.:cool::)

[lewi]

http://bite-dose.com/wp-content/uploads/mysterious_crop_circle.jpg (http://bite-dose.com/wp-content/uploads/mysterious_crop_circle.jpg)

[lewi]

http://www.rense.com/general6/delta00.jpg_1.jpg
http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gif

Amazing Ice Circles found on the Net ;)

[lewi]

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gif
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/161/417609607_eb54b3fe06.jpg?v=0


How did anyone get out there or was it caused by hovering UFOS ;)

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://bite-dose.com/wp-content/uploads/mysterious_crop_circle.jpg (http://bite-dose.com/wp-content/uploads/mysterious_crop_circle.jpg)

wow :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gif
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/161/417609607_eb54b3fe06.jpg?v=0


How did anyone get out there or was it caused by hovering UFOS ;)

Maybe it was me during the night flying my craft which I forget about when I'm awake- I always felt as though I was from another planet, lol.

[chattanova]

How did anyone get out there or was it caused by hovering UFOS ;)

Nice stuff lewi:) Here is a collection where I have put all I've come across, the last one is totally new to me, feel free to add some there too:cool:
Thanks for contributing.
Tree, Sand, Ice & Snow Circles http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3441

[papiowhisperer]

Crop circles are the gift, someone tried spinning them. Maybe this is the next great thing to cure cancer, etc. We can only hope...

From George Ure's urbansurvival.com (http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm) (3/3/09)

Urgent Update

Crop Circle Breakthrough? Swirly Thing Alert

I don't normally post "bulletins" on my web site, but the world may be about to be changed - forever - in ways we can not yet predict. This is a story about crop circles. So the first thing to do is read up on them over at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle).

The second thing you need to do is hit YouTube or Google Video and look at some video of what happens when crop circles are spun. Various shapes and patterns begin to emerge. Here's a good one to start with (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjGYTGs4q8M&feature=PlayList&p=49D474ACD9547DDD&index=12&playnext=5&playnext_from=PL).

Now, here are the latest developments: An international ad hoc group of programmers and my friend Cliff over at www.halfpasthuman.com (http://www.halfpasthuman.com/) have been working on the crop circles and spinning them at various frame rates. Cliff happens to have the graphics expertise to do some alpha testing of frame/spinning software and he's got a group of programmers in Germany and elsewhere who are collaborating on the project. He's been up for 24-hours or so, and is reporting some amazing if not world changing results.

What seems to occur is that when spun around various center points different information is emerging from from crop circles. His assistant in the predictive linguistics project is a fellow we call Igor - a Fortune 100 level IT guy. Ever since he has known him, Cliff reports that Igor has been chewing his mustache. Since he's got the most 'eye time' on spinning crop circles, its curious to note that Igor is no longer chewing his moustache.

In Europe, where another member of the loosely connected team is spinning other circles, the researcher reported dropping into something like an alpha-state trance for a couple of hours and, upon emerging from it, he reported that his arthritis of many years has stopped hurting.

Another says if a black and white image is spun, colors emerge.

So here's what's going on right now: This ad hoc team of programmers is working on software which will be put into the public domain if it works as expected. The software will not only allow the spinning of the crop circle images at various frame rates (where we already have seen different information appear) but in addition, eventually it will provide for flexibility in setting the axis point. So, in other words, you'll be able to spin crop circles in various directions.

At SourceForge.net you can look in on the Linux work ongoing. The project there is "Crop Circle Symbol Engine" (http://sourceforge.net/projects/cropcirclesymbo/).

We're not sure where this is going to lead, but it could be one of those 'chance' events that could lead to a real breakthrough in how humans work. Or, later today Igor could go nuts and have to be locked up...we just don't know. Worries about the Zombie factor may be why we're testing on Igor...

But what we do know for now is that some unexpected results are occurring, and software is in development to push out on the envelope a bit, and we want to get the word out as to what's happening and that this will all end up (rather quickly) FREE and in the public domain.

Frankly, we don't know if this is some kind of transdimensional/intergalactic mental invasion technique, or whether we've just stumbled over the intergalactic/transdimensional encyclopedia that will jump humans ahead to who new states of awareness and health. Just too early to tell.

But, since Cliff has the video manipulation background, having patented the Vortex Reader technology, and since we've been working on the predictive linguistics technology (a/k/a the 'web bot project') for nearly 10-years together, it seems, as one of the researchers in Europe noted, that Cliff & Igor may be playing the role of Jody Foster in the movie "Contact".

Or, as Cliff puts it: "We may have stumbled on our own Manhattan Project here..."

We'll keep you posted. But we may have just cracked the cover of "What Comes Next 101".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwGaZDeAWqU&feature=related

[papiowhisperer]

bumpity

[relax]

Wow Spinning them is amazing, cant wait for a program and some hi-res images to do this with, as for someone going into an alpha state trance, thats mindblowing.

[hagbard_celine]

bumpity

Yes, the new season is starting soon.:):cool: Do we get a prize for posting the first crop circle of 2009?:D

[chattanova]

"Ghost" Formation in Snow on a plowed field at
Oliver's Castle, Wiltshire, -England (08/jan09)

The 8th of January Mattew Willliams was flying after several days of temperatures below
zero. The landscapes of Wiltshire were covered by a thin layer of snow. Flying over Oliver's Castle,
he noticed something unusual:
On the exact spot where a beautiful crop formation was discovered the 16th of August 2008, the snow
was missing. And not only that, within the formation area, only the sections former crop circle where
the plantswere flattened, were without snow! The sections in the former crop formation where there
had been standing crop, had snow cover.

http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/3/4/6/kennet/f_11m_706fc75.jpg

http://img06.picoodle.com/img/img06/3/4/6/kennet/f_hhm_245a002.jpg

http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/3/4/6/kennet/f_jjjm_febff68.jpg

http://img06.picoodle.com/img/img06/3/4/6/kennet/f_lm_b804d68.jpg


Not far away, on the neighbouring field, there is a barrow (see the dark area in the field in the
forground in teh photo below). This barrow was also without snow.
One can imagine that the snow falling on a barrow could be blown away by the wind, but that the
wind could blow away snow from a flat field only in the sections of flattened plants in a former
crop circle, is rather unlikely.

http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/3/4/6/kennet/f_kkkkkm_41db120.jpg

Traces in the fields of crop circles from earlier years are often referred to as "ghost formations".
Ghost formations in snow have been reported earlier, both in England and in The Netherlands.

In an article at the web site Swirled News, Bert Janssen and Janet Ossebaard suggest that ghost
formations in snow might be due to changes in the soil caused by the former crop circle at the same
spot, changes such as crystallization in the soil.

Increased crystallization in the clay particles in the soil has been found in crop circles in several
cases. You can find a study about crystallization at the web site of BLT Reasearch Team.

http://www.cropcirclesnorway.com/Relaterte/Is-sno/2009Oliver%27sCastle/2009Oliver%27sCastle.report.htm

[chattanova]

The Ridgeway, nr Avebury, Wiltshire. Reported 14th April

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/3/4/15/kennet/f_IMG008192m_39c6ad5.jpg

The formation is in Oil Seed Rape, which is about 3 feet high at the time of writing. The formation is barely visible from the track that leads from the barrows on the other side of the road to the Sanctuary towards the Sarsen fields.

To find it travel along the pathway about 1 mile and you will come to a part of the fence in the Oil Seed Rape field that is flat on the ground. By this point you may be able to see the formation. It is then the 5th or 6th tramline down.

The formation itself looks as though it has been on the ground for 5 - 7 days. The crop is recovering well and it was very hard for me to ascertain the exact design of the formation from the ground without doing more damage to the plants.

From what I could tell it consists of a large centre circle (in which there is twisted crop) and five or six rings with the outside one being the thickest. Some of the other rings cross each other, giving the impression that they are either offset from the centre or are elliptical.

In general there was little damage to the crop however there was evidence of scraping on some stems.

The formation is approximately 25 - 30ft in diameter.

Report by Rob Speight

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/ridgeway/ridgeway2009.html

[phildee3]

'Ere we go!!!

Thanks chatt!

[chattanova]

'Ere we go!!!

Thanks chatt!

It's really nice too, It was worth getting the chopter in air, thats for sure :)

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6060/25170306.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1605/39401093.jpg

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/ridgeway/ridgeway2009.html

[phildee3]

It's really nice too,



Lovely!
And lots of delicate, standing crop in the "downed" areas!

I think it's going to be a doozie of a year!!

[lostinstrangeworld]

Is that the latest crop circle? Groovy :cool:

I wonder what it means?
It reminds me of the Mayan Calendar again.

[phildee3]

Is that the latest crop circle? Groovy :cool:

I wonder what it means?



It's message is more subtle than to be interpreted by the brain.

It is absorbed by the soul.

When you see it, you take it in, and it works on you subtlely and gradually.
You know "what it means" in your soul!

[lostinstrangeworld]

balance

[humito]

It's really nice too, It was worth getting the chopter in air, thats for sure :)

what crop is that ?? oilseed or mustard ? is that unusual ? its mostly corn and barley is it not?

the different crop has a different effect.

[hagbard_celine]

It's really nice too, It was worth getting the chopter in air, thats for sure :)


Wayhey! 2009 season kicks off!:cool:

It's a very pleasing formation. I see perspective there, looking down a tunnel perhaps.

[phildee3]

what crop is that ?? oilseed or mustard ? is that unusual ? its mostly corn and barley is it not?

the different crop has a different effect.



It's all in this thread's source website:
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...geway2009.html

The only reason why there are less formations in rape is because it's season is shorter. Proportionately, there are just as many.

[phildee3]

balance



Yes.
Alternating polarities.

[lewi]

http://www.cannabiscollege.com/ximages/hempleafcropcircle.gif
"Hemp Leaf" crop circle pattern

[gripit]

Sheep Circle! :)

There were strange goings on at the farm today when a flock of sheep made their own version of a crop circle.

About 100 of the woolly creatures formed an orderly ring - baffling the farmer and passers-by.

But after hearing the roar of the boss's tractor the animals scattered like a group of naughty schoolboys.
Photographer Russell Bird, who captured the amazing scene, said:"I was quite taken aback. I couldn't believe what I was seeing," he said.

"I did see a dog worrying sheep nearby beforehand and the dog ran off round the hedge in a different field, so I don't know if they were discussing that."

Bizarrely, he then spotted another circle three fields away, but was unable to take a picture with both "formations" lasting around 10 minutes before dispersing.

Estate agent Mr Bird added of the scene in Kington, Herefordshire: "They moved around inside and were almost filling the gaps in.

"The only reason this circle came to an end was that the farmer came in with a tractor and some food."

Since the event he has been searching for an explanation but those experienced in working with sheep say Mr Bird could be disappointed.

Farm manager at Herefordshire College of Technology, Dan Seaborne, said: "I just think they've been fed with dry feed in that shape - you can get snacker feeders now and you tow behind a quad and it drops pellets on the ground.

"I would imagine that's what's happened."

He added: "I think there was a chap in Yorkshire who spelled out 'will you marry me' to his girlfriend in sheep by putting feed down."

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=298&pictureid=3388

[romas]

lol now that's interesting!

(could easily be faked though).

[gripit]

lol now that's interesting!

(could easily be faked though).

Ya, like the article said, but it was still fun :) "Farm manager at Herefordshire College of Technology, Dan Seaborne, said: "I just think they've been fed with dry feed in that shape - you can get snacker feeders now and you tow behind a quad and it drops pellets on the ground.

"I would imagine that's what's happened."

He added: "I think there was a chap in Yorkshire who spelled out 'will you marry me' to his girlfriend in sheep by putting feed down."

P.S. chattanova, sorry for posting a 'flock circle' instead of a 'crop circle' ;)

[chattanova]

Ya, like the article said, but it was still fun :) "Farm manager at Herefordshire College of Technology, Dan Seaborne, said: "I just think they've been fed with dry feed in that shape - you can get snacker feeders now and you tow behind a quad and it drops pellets on the ground.

"I would imagine that's what's happened."

He added: "I think there was a chap in Yorkshire who spelled out 'will you marry me' to his girlfriend in sheep by putting feed down."

P.S. chattanova, sorry for posting a 'flock circle' instead of a 'crop circle' ;)

lol :) That's just cool, It's related kindof so it belongs here.
But I think that sheep circle was last year, I remember that from some thread probably this. Keep up the good work gripit :cool:

[sharpiesix]

http://www.cannabiscollege.com/ximages/hempleafcropcircle.gif
"Hemp Leaf" crop circle pattern
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/marijuana-leaf.jpg

Hmm:confused:
Hemp leaves have odd numbers, 9 on this one, the flower of life has even numbers of petals, this crop circle has even numbers.

[humito]

It's all in this thread's source website:
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...geway2009.html

The only reason why there are less formations in rape is because it's season is shorter. Proportionately, there are just as many.

thanksfor the link....very interesting
:)

[phildee3]

The second one of the season!!
West Kennet longbarrow:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/westkennettlongbarrow/westkennettlongbarrow2009.html

(looks like a-planker job to me)

[jojo]

The second one of the season!!
West Kennet longbarrow:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/westkennettlongbarrow/westkennettlongbarrow2009.html

(looks like a-planker job to me)

I was there today! no planker job involved. I will upload the photos shortly.

the vibe was amasing and the centre was perfect. The energy was happy and lively and it drained the batteries of my mobile phone.

defo a real one.

[chattanova]

The second one of the season!!
West Kennet longbarrow:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/westkennettlongbarrow/westkennettlongbarrow2009.html

I was just going to post it so I'll put it up anyway :)

West Kennett Longbarrow, Nr Avebury, Wiltshire. (reported 19th April)

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/3/4/19/kennet/f_westkennettm_e097df4.jpg

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/westkennettlongbarrow/westkennettlongbarrow2009.html

[jojo]

I was just going to post it so I'll put it up anyway :)

West Kennett Longbarrow, Nr Avebury, Wiltshire. (reported 19th April)

the centre, no post hole in sight :)

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/bluegoddess777/002-8.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/bluegoddess777/006-6.jpg

just south of the centre cross point.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/bluegoddess777/029-2.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/bluegoddess777/012-4.jpg

one of the 3 circles to the right of the centre cross

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/bluegoddess777/021-3.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/bluegoddess777/019-4.jpg

other areas

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/bluegoddess777/018-2.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/bluegoddess777/022-1.jpg

[lakkimakki]

those circles are all made by men !!

[jojo]

those circles are all made by men !!

yeh, little green men!

[lakkimakki]

:D:Dlolz I'm serious its all man made !!

[chattanova]

:D:Dlolz I'm serious its all man made !!

Okay, if you say so.
:)

[jojo]

Okay, if you say so.
:)

thats what i thought, he's convinced me alright :D

[lakkimakki]

cmon why would aliens make such stupid simbols? :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

There was a guy on Edge channel talking about making them with his group and the supernatural experiences/ synchronicity that often takes place.

He said it was about art and having these interesting experiences, and encouraged others to try doing the same.

A bit annoying methinks, because although they might be having fun, it kind of complicates the task of finding the genuine, unexplained ones....and further fuels the skeptics. :mad:

[onourwayto2012]

I was there today! no planker job involved. I will upload the photos shortly.

the vibe was amasing and the centre was perfect. The energy was happy and lively and it drained the batteries of my mobile phone.

defo a real one.

Luckeeee!!! Thanks jo!...nothing like a first hand report. You are so fortunate to experience this stuff!

[thirdwave]

:D:Dlolz I'm serious its all man made !!


That must have taken allot of ground work and in depth research... ! ;)

[thirdwave]

cmon why would aliens make such stupid simbols? :)

who said aliens have made them?... obviously you are more focused on that particular theory not being true than anything else..

[onourwayto2012]

stupid simbols?

ohhh...the irony...

come on lakki..... crop circles being done by plankers is right up there with Obama being a decent fellow.... and just below 19 arabs with boxcutters and 6 million jews

[thirdwave]

There was a guy on Edge channel talking about making them with his group and the supernatural experiences/ synchronicity that often takes place.

He said it was about art and having these interesting experiences, and encouraged others to try doing the same.

A bit annoying methinks, because although they might be having fun, it kind of complicates the task of finding the genuine, unexplained ones....and further fuels the skeptics. :mad:

I have been there a few times... and with some circles i have been told by about 20 different people that "their brother"... or "their mate" made it... yadda yadda... you can see that there is more bullshit that goes around among some of the people crop circle makers than anything else... lots of lies... these people have never once proven to make one of the quality circles in the same conditions and time frames as some are found... when there have been circles made publicly it has taken hours and have need 10-11 people in day light and sometimes useing a helicopter...

of course most of them are man mad today... although that in its self is a misleading statement... as most of the people who make them do not actually want to debunk the idea that they have a very deep and phenomenal meaning... they have in fact seen orbs them sevles while doing them... and don't even know where they get their ideas from... they take it more seriously than anyone..

the ones that scoff at it all and make out they make them all are the ones that do the small crappy ones and even them selves over look the idea that they could also be working under manipulation... and don't even know it while they laugh at it...

I mean think about it, are they really having that much fun doing these things every year just to be a hoax?... that alone shows how full of shit they are.

I believe there have been some that have been by something other than men with planks of wood.... but they are quite rare now i think as they have done their job...

[onourwayto2012]

damn hippies with their bongos and all....:D

[phildee3]

I was there today! no planker job involved. I will upload the photos shortly.

the vibe was amasing and the centre was perfect. The energy was happy and lively and it drained the batteries of my mobile phone.

defo a real one.



Please don't insult my intelligenge, jojo, or try to start a fight.

I said "looks like a planker-job to me."

No post hole, an "amasing vibe" and your mobile phone batteries going flat do not show that it was definately not manually made, only that it looks that way to you.
Unlike the first formation, your photos of "no post hole" show crushing of the crop and broken stems, reinforcing my earlier conclusion that the first formation appears to be remotely made and the second, manually made.

[who elsie]

Please don't insult my intelligenge, jojo, or try to start a fight.

I said "looks like a planker-job to me."

No post hole, an "amasing vibe" and your mobile phone batteries going flat do not show that it was definately not manually made, only that it looks that way to you.
Unlike the first formation, your photos of "no post hole" show crushing of the crop and broken stems, reinforcing my earlier conclusion that the first formation appears to be remotely made and the second, manually made.

I think you are the only one spoiling for a fight phildee. Jo jo is only stating what she saw/ experienced and expressing her gut feeling. There's no substitute for actually being there.

[jojo]

Please don't insult my intelligenge, jojo, or try to start a fight.

I said "looks like a planker-job to me."

No post hole, an "amasing vibe" and your mobile phone batteries going flat do not show that it was definately not manually made, only that it looks that way to you.
Unlike the first formation, your photos of "no post hole" show crushing of the crop and broken stems, reinforcing my earlier conclusion that the first formation appears to be remotely made and the second, manually made.

whatever. i was there, you were not.

edit, oh btw, if you think i was trying to insult your intellligence, or spoil for a rumble... you must have one huge ego. :D


edit mark two, there were laods of people there trampling the crop. the centre did not look like the centre when you were in the circle and many people had trampled over it by mistake. 99% of the crop had not been snapped at the base and there was interesting woven patterns within the crop at various points.

moreover, the larger outer ring seemed to rise up within the centre of the line, then flatter towards the edge of the lines and no broken stems., like it was textured, as a woven scarf.

the lady with the grey hair who is in the photo in my above post is with the wiltshire crop circle society, and she said it had been there for two days and had been badly trampled by the time we got there. In her learned opinion, as a crop circle lover and expert, she said it was the real deal.

this is a close up photo of the ground dirt in the very centre. no post hole. see!

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/bluegoddess777/008-9.jpg

[the infinite one]

This is a fascinating thread, anyone heard of freddy silva http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/

[who elsie]

the centre, no post hole in sight :)



http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/bluegoddess777/029-2.jpg



Thanx for sharing the photos jo jo. They look great. Looks like you had a good time in that formation! Can't think of a better place to play bongos, maybe do a bit of dancing and feel the RHYTHM OF THE EARTH - just like in my latest vid - which also features crop circles! Check it out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fykS3TYIY_4

[jojo]

damn hippies with their bongos and all....:D

haha, bless them all!

[phildee3]

Jo jo is only stating what she saw/ experienced and expressing her gut feeling.



Our gut feelings are tainted by what we want the formations to be.



There's no substitute for actually being there.



From the subjective point of view, yes.
From an objective one, no.

[jojo]

Thanx for sharing the photos jo jo. They look great. Looks like you had a good time in that formation! Can't think of a better place to play bongos, maybe do a bit of dancing and feel the RHYTHM OF THE EARTH - just like in my latest vid - which also features crop circles! Check it out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fykS3TYIY_4

cheers for that vid who elsie! made me want to have a dance and gave me a big grin.

I was in glastonbury on friday and saturday doing sound resinence and earth healing up on the tor, then over to avebury and west kennet (and the crop circle) to do the same thing on the sunday. So you vid kinda resinated with me. :)

[phildee3]

the centre, no post hole in sight :)



Manual circlemakes have many ways to make them without using a centre pole.

Thank you for posting your other evidence in favor of them being possibly remotely made.
It still looks manually done though, from the original aerials, compared to the first one.

[who elsie]

cheers for that vid who elsie! made me want to have a dance and gave me a big grin.

I was in glastonbury on friday and saturday doing sound resinence and earth healing up on the tor, then over to avebury and west kennet (and the crop circle) to do the same thing on the sunday. So you vid kinda resinated with me. :)

Cheers! :)

I'm glad it resonates with you. In fact part of the inspiration for me writing it was visits to places like Avebury & Glastonbury, with their powerful earth energies. Sounds like interesting work you do!

Keep on dancin!! :)

[jojo]

Manual circlemakes have many ways to make them without using a centre pole.

Thank you for posting your other evidence in favor of them being possibly remotely made.
It still looks manually done though, from the original aerials, compared to the first one.

ok fair enough, i can see what you are saying. If i had not been there, i would probably think the same thing too if im being honest.

[jojo]

Keep on dancin!! :)

always will while i have legs! :D .... you keep on singing!

[phildee3]

ok fair enough, i can see what you are saying. If i had not been there, i would probably think the same thing too if im being honest.



Thank you.

Enjoy your visits to sacred sites, but please be careful not to impose.
Many of us go there to meditate and listen to the spirits.

[jojo]

Thank you.

Enjoy your visits to sacred sites, but please be careful not to impose.
Many of us go there to meditate and listen to the spirits.

so do i.

[phildee3]

so do i.



Then you must know how annoying drummers and dancers can be
and how many spirts depart when they arrive.

[jojo]

Then you must know how annoying drummers and dancers can be
and how many spirts depart when they arrive.

lol... again, whatever

[phildee3]

lol... again, whatever



Right - you don't.

So again I ask you nicely, please be sensitive to those of us who do.

The Assembly Rooms is a good place for a pow-wow
or the well room at the Red Lion.

[jojo]

Right - you don't.

So again I ask you nicely, please be sensitive to those of us who do.

I am always sensitive. I would never barge into the place when someone is meditating or just walking around it feeling the quiet energy of the sacred space and just create my own "noise".

I always respect others wishes and needs.

I respectfully acknowledge what you are saying, and i can assure you that i am not one of those people whom you are refering to.

[phildee3]

I always respect others wishes and needs.



Perhaps those that you are aware of.
Your post, and your photos, show that you are not very aware of the spirits/elementals.

[jojo]

Perhaps those that you are aware of.
Your post, and your photos, show that you are not very aware of the spirits/elementals.

hahaha!! lol, now you have really made me chuckle.

aw bless you.

[onourwayto2012]

geez jo....ol phil really has it out for you today!

[phildee3]

hahaha!! lol, now you have really made me chuckle.
aw bless you.



Okay, laugh your condescending laugh.
You will not be permitted into the most sacred sites and crop formations until you learn appropriate respect for the spirits.
But you won't know.

[hunter77]

Okay, laugh your condescending laugh.
You will not be permitted into the most sacred sites and crop formations until you learn appropriate respect for the spirits.
But you won't know.

ah bless must be:) his time of the month

[jojo]

Okay, laugh your condescending laugh.
You will not be permitted into the most sacred sites and crop formations until you learn appropriate respect for the spirits.
But you won't know.

you judge far too much, you know nothing of me or my way sir. you make assumptions based on a couple of photos then say if people disagree with you they are insulting your intelligence or wanting to fight with you.

for the record, i do not own a drum, rattle or any other means of making a noise. I do not go to these places to cause others distress or interupt them. I certainly dont go to have a pow wow as you put it.

The resinence frequency we were making on glastonbury tor was done at night when no one was around. Like wise in the long barrow. It was done pitch pitch forks picking up the resinence of the chanber, then using our voices, both male and female. no drums, no dancing, no disrupting others. And the stones sang, and the spirits came out in force for all to see and hear.

the elemental spirits speak to me all the time. i do not need your permission to speak with them thank you. You are an egotistical man who loves nothing better than to poke and cajole others.

now, i assume you ego will have to respond to this post. lets face it you have one huge one to defend. So start a thread about what grinds you specificly about this, and stop spamming the crop circle thread.


edit. oh and for the record, you are a funny little man! :D like you own all the saced sites! hahaha...

[lostinstrangeworld]

I've met Jojo, she's a gentle loving soul.

Whatever images/ impressions of the rowdy personage you are getting from the photographs in your mind Phil....have got to be some sort of interference in the frequencies.

[jojo]

I've met Jojo, she's a gentle loving soul.

Whatever images/ impressions of the rowdy personage you are getting from the photographs in your mind Phil....have got to be some sort of interference in the frequencies.

Thank you LISW :) ive escorted many on this forum to sacred places, and we have never had a pow wow knees up. we have always been respectful and curtious of the site, spirts and other people.

[hagbard_celine]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/bluegoddess777/012-4.jpg



Ah, some familar faces!:) I see you Jojo and Rosie from Probe. Is that Nathan Sarea on the far left?

[hagbard_celine]

Thank you LISW :) ive escorted many on this forum to sacred places, and we have never had a pow wow knees up. we have always been respectful and curtious of the site, spirts and other people.


Yes I remember.:);) Thank you for that:cool:. The magic of a place overwhealms me and it never occurs to me to be anything other than respectful. It's like we all know e're the same consciousness sharing the experience.:)

I don't think that all crops circles are man made. John Lundberg, a leading crop circle-maker, emailed me once because I'd accused him of being a disinformer on the DarkConspiracy forum. In reflection I think I was being a bit harsh on him. I’ve no grounds to accuse him personally, and I don't see anything wrong with the plankers’ kind of landscape art (except for the damage it does to the farmer's field, although the farmers can make more than a compensating few bob off them if they know what they’re doing!:D), but there's no doubt that the circlemakers' activities is leading people to wrongly believe that every crop circle is made by the plankers. Even the plankers themselves don't claim that they've made all of them, although they water it down a bit; words to the effect of: "Well, no we don't know who made that one, so there must be circle-making gangs that we're not in touch with." (Matthew Williams- CFZ Weird Weekend 2006)

Human activity cannot possibly account for the whole phenomenon.

Without accusing John Lundberg as a person outright again, it still pays not to underestimate the capacity of psyops and government disinformation. We’ve already seen, in other manifestations of the supernatural and otherworldy, that the authorities deliberately seed lies to put people off the scent of them. They seem to have an almost knee-jerk aversion to strange phenomena, for whatever reason. Crop circles qualify as part of that department and I'd be far from surprised if the government initiated very broad and convincing propaganda to try and suppress the truth.

[jojo]

Ah, some familar faces!:) I see you Jojo and Rosie from Probe. Is that Nathan Sarea on the far left?

;) yep.

[hagbard_celine]

;) yep.

Great!:) You look really happy. Can't wait to get down to Wilts and see some more crop circles.

[phildee3]

Whatever images/ impressions of the rowdy personage you are getting from the photographs in your mind Phil....have got to be some sort of interference in the frequencies.



The nine imposing, oversise photos showing the inconsiderate crushing of crop are not in my head. They are posted here for all to see.

Never mind, though.
I just had it confirmed,
that formation was a decoy. :)

Blessings to everybody -
not synically, but genuinely.

[thirdwave]

Yes I remember.:);) Thank you for that:cool:. The magic of a place overwhealms me and it never occurs to me to be anything other than respectful. It's like we all know e're the same consciousness sharing the experience.:)

I don't think that all crops circles are man made. John Lundberg, a leading crop circle-maker, emailed me once because I'd accused him of being a disinformer on the DarkConspiracy forum. In reflection I think I was being a bit harsh on him. I’ve no grounds to accuse him personally, and I don't see anything wrong with the plankers’ kind of landscape art (except for the damage it does to the farmer's field, although the farmers can make more than a compensating few bob off them if they know what they’re doing!:D), but there's no doubt that the circlemakers' activities is leading people to wrongly believe that every crop circle is made by the plankers. Even the plankers themselves don't claim that they've made all of them, although they water it down a bit; words to the effect of: "Well, no we don't know who made that one, so there must be circle-making gangs that we're not in touch with." (Matthew Williams- CFZ Weird Weekend 2006)

Human activity cannot possibly account for the whole phenomenon.

Without accusing John Lundberg as a person outright again, it still pays not to underestimate the capacity of psyops and government disinformation. We’ve already seen, in other manifestations of the supernatural and otherworldy, that the authorities deliberately seed lies to put people off the scent of them. They seem to have an almost knee-jerk aversion to strange phenomena, for whatever reason. Crop circles qualify as part of that department and I'd be far from surprised if the government initiated very broad and convincing propaganda to try and suppress the truth.

people who are still living in "the box" so to speak only need a tinly bit of conditioned reality to keep them in their box...

for example once they know that it has been possible for a few guys to create 1 crop circle... then there minds are then set on "well then they all are" ... that's the way they are... I could not care a less about people who claim they are false... In fact I very rarely make an effort any more... I will speak my mind about them and if people want to ignore stuff then let them....

The people who go out of their way to tell you they are all made by man dont know this ..they just think it..so the very fact they are arguing with you about what they think, being what you should think is a sign in its self that they are close minded people.

[thirdwave]

The nine imposing, oversise photos showing the inconsiderate crushing of crop are not in my head. They are posted here for all to see.

Never mind, though.
I just had it confirmed,
that formation was a decoy. :)

wow, not only do you know how God created the universe and what not, you are also buddies with a bunch of arse hole "decoy" makers!

[phildee3]

wow, not only do you know how God created the universe.. blah, blah, blah...



You're way off there, dude!

G_d did not make the universe,
and I don't know how the creator did it.

I never looked into that.

[thirdwave]

You're way off there, dude!

G_d did not make the universe,
and I don't know how the creator did it.

I never looked into that.

well, my point was that you clearly have the run down on it... and now you clearly have it all worked out with the crop circles as well..

[phildee3]

you clearly have it all worked out with the crop circles as well..



Wrong again!
If I had I wouldn't study the subject so much.

I can tell you though, that the two subjects (theology and cereology) are closely interwoven (no pun intended!).

[thirdwave]

Wrong again!
If I had I wouldn't study the subject so much.

I can tell you though, that the two subjects (theology and cereology) are closely interwoven (no pun intended!).

Dont agree.

[phildee3]

Dont agree.



They both have elements of invisible, paranormal forces at work don't they?

[thirdwave]

They both have elements of invisible, paranormal forces at work don't they?

not necessarily... just because what ever does them does it while not being seen it does not make them invisible... on the contrary... some have reported seeing orbs around formations.. not everything that is paranormal is to do with god... just an un known science... or un explained..


a UFO outside of our atmosphere could be making them by useing technology we don't know about... the military/secret services could also have this technology making them from space...

[phildee3]

a UFO outside of our atmosphere could be making them by useing technology we don't know about...



Could be...

just as Jesus could be the captain of a starship.

[thirdwave]

Could be...

just as Jesus could be the captain of a starship.

only if you were to speculate beyond the sources that taught you about him.

[phildee3]

only if you were to speculate beyond the sources that taught you about him.



Incorrect.
My Sunday school teacher showed us these pics of ufos at the baptism and the annunciation:

4022

4024

[thirdwave]

Incorrect.
My Sunday school teacher showed us these pics of ufos at the baptism and the annunciation:

4022

4024

to say "incorrect" is extremely ignorant..... these pictures where created after the story of Jesus had been discovered... and are other peoples projections on what happened... so by all means think they represent what happened...sure... but also except that they are simply a persons drawing... hence why I said if you speculate beyond what the official sources have taught you..

hence they are not official insites into what happened.. if anything... although they are interesting with regards to UFOs for sure.

you really are very aloof and talk alarming amounts of shite... honestly.. just please dont start talking to me about God..

[phildee3]

..the two subjects (theology and cereology) are closely interwoven (no pun intended!).





Dont agree.



Steve and Karen do,
so do most of the other main researchers,
so much so that they call them "temporary temples"!

http://www.temporarytemples.co.uk/

If you actually study cereology, by reading the leading authorities on the subject, you will find that my comment above is not an opinion but a fact.

[thirdwave]

Steve and Karen do,
so do most of the other main researchers,
so much so that they call them "temporary temples"!


but that does not mean I should as well...

and no, most of them do not think that... you are now excelling in the amount of bullshit you produce... and as usual the point has been lost among your bullshit.. please dont give me some more lessons on God, I really dont care who or what you think God is.

[phildee3]

but that does not mean I should as well...



Of course not.
You are totally free to believe that a banana is a pea if you want.



as usual the point has been lost



...and you are totally free to restate what ever you consider the point to be.

[thirdwave]

Of course not.
You are totally free to believe that a banana is a pea if you want.

although saying there is n ot much diforence between the crop cricle phenomena and theology, is not the same as saying a banana is a pea...

allthough Im sure you could turn a banana to a pea with your wonderful way of explaining things that suit your ever reviealing belife system.


...and you are totally free to restate what ever you consider the point to be I know... But I have better things to do that try and maintain a conversation with an ignorant home made Christian.

[phildee3]

I have better things to do that try and maintain a conversation with an ignorant home made Christian.



You're maintaining one with me though.

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/Pic1187.jpg

[lookfar]

Guys can we please keep it civil & on topic in here & not resort to personal insults.

Thanks:)

[phildee3]

the two subjects (theology and cereology) are closely interwoven (no pun intended!).





Steve and Karen call them "temporary temples"!
http://www.temporarytemples.co.uk/



Temple:
"Something regarded as having within it a divine presence" - free online dictionary

Theology:
"Study of divine things" - dictionary.com

One may disagree that the formations have divine presence associated with them, but it cannot be denied that interdisciplinary studies (between cereology and theology) are ongoing...

[phildee3]

from:
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/westkennettlongbarrow/comments.html



The main shape is obviously a figure 8, symbolizing Infinity. In the larger (Male) teardrop shape on the right hand side:~ remains one standing (off) centre piece, with clear evidence there was an opposite, creating 2 centred standing swirls. Whilst in the smaller (Female) shaped teardrop, there is one centred standing swirl.

The flattened cross in the Centre .Circle is a NYAME NNWU NA MAWU

West African Wisdom Symbol meaning:~
"God never dies, therefore I cannot die"
Hence a symbol of God's omnipresence and the perpetual existence of wo/man's spirit This signifies the immortality of man's soul, believed to be a part of God. Because the soul rests with God after death, it cannot die.

It seems to me this a merging of Male / Female into One a message regarding Infinity In The Now.

JIC



"...a merging of Male / Female into One"!
April 15th was the Feast of the Anointing at Bethany (Orthodox) - believed by some to be the occasion of the marriage of Jesus and Maria Magdelena.

[phildee3]

This is going to be a bumper year!

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/rutlands/rutlands2009.html

[chattanova]

This is going to be a bumper year!

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/rutlands/rutlands2009.html

Rutlands Farm, nr Avebury, Wiltshire. (reported 23rd April)

http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/2/4/24/kennet/f_P1020746bm_54ef176.jpg

[chattanova]

Morgan's Hill, Nr Devizes, Wiltshire. (reported 24th April)

http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/2/4/24/kennet/f_mh1m_5c783a6.jpg

http://img06.picoodle.com/img/img06/2/4/24/kennet/f_mh2m_f2b8817.jpg

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/morgans/morgans2009.html

[hagbard_celine]

people who are still living in "the box" so to speak only need a tinly bit of conditioned reality to keep them in their box...

for example once they know that it has been possible for a few guys to create 1 crop circle... then there minds are then set on "well then they all are" ... that's the way they are... I could not care a less about people who claim they are false... In fact I very rarely make an effort any more... I will speak my mind about them and if people want to ignore stuff then let them....

The people who go out of their way to tell you they are all made by man dont know this ..they just think it..so the very fact they are arguing with you about what they think, being what you should think is a sign in its self that they are close minded people.


I'm ashamed to say that I fell for the original Doug and Dave hoax.:(:o I saw the news spot on TV of the carving out their crude scratch in a field and thought: "Hey-ho! Mystery solved!":rolleyes: Crop circles never entered my head for years after that until I saw Andy Thomas on Esther Rantzen's talk show Esther and thouight: "Eh? Is it still going on?":confused::eek:

[hagbard_celine]

Thanks for the above pics, Chat.:cool: That's a lovely one. In oil seed rape again. Is the wheat not ready yet?:confused:

[jojo]

Thanks for the above pics, Chat.:cool: That's a lovely one. In oil seed rape again. Is the wheat not ready yet?:confused:

nope, still growing up.

[phildee3]

nope, still growing up.



I don't think there's ever been a formation in crop this young, but there's a first time for everything!
Worth keeping an eye on, I'd say (especially this year).

[hagbard_celine]

nope, still growing up.

i'm sure the wheat will soon follow. Can't wait. last year was a good one; this one could be better! And they talked about "the end of Crop Circles"!:rolleyes::D

[who elsie]

Hey! What a great start to the new season! Can't remember a year with such a dramatic April opening. Hope it continues in this vain. I think it was the year before last that the first formation didn't appear till well into May.

[phildee3]

It's a beaut,
and protected too!

4030

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/morgans/morgans2009.html

(Keep checking the website for updates).

[chattanova]

It's a beaut,
and protected too!

4030

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/morgans/morgans2009.html

(Keep checking the website for updates).

Thanks for the update phildee, it's adorable.

[jojo]

It's a beaut,
and protected too!

4030

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/morgans/morgans2009.html

(Keep checking the website for updates).
wow,. :eek::)

[white horse]

I'm ashamed to say that I fell for the original Doug and Dave hoax.:(:o I saw the news spot on TV of the carving out their crude scratch in a field and thought: "Hey-ho! Mystery solved!":rolleyes: Crop circles never entered my head for years after that until I saw Andy Thomas on Esther Rantzen's talk show Esther and thouight: "Eh? Is it still going on?":confused::eek:

Lol! Those two guys! They were Gems!

I remember pointing out to someone about a crop circle apparantly formed in a field next door to one that was being watched through the night by researchers, adn possibly some local military personnel also, with tons of tech equipment, night vision etc; in the field next door at fisrt light there was a crop circle. [Does nayone recognise this event? I read it years ago so it must have been late 90s?]

There had only been 4 or five hours of darkness, and not very dark at that; and Doug n Dave were supposed to have crept into the next field and created a huge stunning crop circle! I saw one of the circles they did for the press and it was crap.

[hagbard_celine]

Lol! Those two guys! They were Gems!

I remember pointing out to someone about a crop circle apparantly formed in a field next door to one that was being watched through the night by researchers, adn possibly some local military personnel also, with tons of tech equipment, night vision etc; in the field next door at fisrt light there was a crop circle. [Does nayone recognise this event? I read it years ago so it must have been late 90s?]

There had only been 4 or five hours of darkness, and not very dark at that; and Doug n Dave were supposed to have crept into the next field and created a huge stunning crop circle! I saw one of the circles they did for the press and it was crap.

I wonder how much they paid Doug and Dave.:rolleyes:

[truthseekers]

Leavengood is a hero in my view. He really stuck out his neck when he published his results.:)

People are always disputing the Leavengood study; that's inevitable:rolleyes:. But as far as I can tell it looks like it was conducted properly and after all these years and far more study, has not been successfully dispoved:cool:.

Levengood is far from a hero. I am a crop circle maker and yes before you start baulking like everyone does, no no no you dont make circles, I do. I have even been arrested, prosecuted and have a criminal record for it, so if its good enough for the courts then please dont attack me for what i am about to say.

Levengood has been proven wrong on more than one occasion by his research methods being wrong. He has been shown to not be able to tell the difference between a man made circle under his tests and a "real circle". This was exposed in a big way and is now forgotten and swept under the carpet. You still see his flawed research put forward today as proof. It is nothing of the sort. When he tested samples from man made circles they were shwoing "blown nodes" and "microwave damage" which is a sure fire sign you get in what is claimed "real circles". The samples were sent to him as a test by his regular sample collection team. He failed badly. It proves the work done to test circles cannot be trusted at all.

So who is Levengood. Well he has used the title Dr. This is false. When questioned as to where he got his doctorate he claimed and honourary Doctorate "The National Academy of Sciences". They were contacted by UFO researcher Kevin Randle who was told point blank by the NAS that "They do not give out Honorary Doctorates!". So the lie was bumped even further by Levengood with a further lie. It beggars belief!

So he is a somewhat trained biophysicist who has done some research on crop circles which apparently rocked the scientific world. Well lets rewind on that one too. One of his two famous papers on the subject was removed from peer review journals because of improper methodology (to be polite). How many people do you know have papers REMOVED.... hmmmm!

Lastly whatever sort of nice guy he might be who is just trying to help, his work is suspect and since I have seen about 40 of my circles declared REAL by the guy I think I am in a unique poisition to be able to say I dont think much of his work. Because of teh Scandal regarding him he is not referred to by BLT as WC Levengood, not Dr Levengood. Did you notice that? Still TV shows and reports feature him as Doctor (Dr)... Who is telling them he is a Dr? Is he the one doing it? When I have been asked for my name for credits I dont think TV or newspeople have ever described me as Dr Matthew Williams by mistake before now. Hmmmm. Interesting.

Another faker of the same ilk is Michael Glickman. Since it was exposed that his professor title was fake he now refers to himself only as Michael Glickman and even has made up a new title for himself Michael Glickman Master Geometer. Hmmm. Well I exposed he wasnt a professor by asking the USC (University of Souther California) about him and they said he only gave a few lectures there for students and was NOT a professor! Oh how the mighty fall, under the weight of their own bullshit. You cant go giving yourself title of Master it has to be bestowed on you. Otherwise I would be a master computer repair engineer, master circlemaker and master aircraft pilot. Titles arent self bestowed... in the world most of us live in!

I like the truth... I also like David Icke a lot and was responsible for producing his first 3 major videos for him over 15 years ago. So please take it from me I am not out to put people down unless they deserve it. David is great as far as im concerned, never been to sure about the reptilian stuff but the rest of his work is brilliant and hes a nice guy otherwise I wouldnt have made the videos for him... so this is who I am and my opinions are not as part of some disinformation campaign. Its just tehres so much rubbish out there about crop circles it makes me wretch.

If you want massive amounts of info on my crop circle work... check out my Youtube channel on truthseekers666, do a youtube search for me. Then watch Circlemakers for the real truth on crop circles... and see some of the stuff ive made for demonstration and see if my circles are "the crap ones" as circles researchers try and spin against me and other circlemakers. Oh yes the truthseekers 666 is just a way to get people interested in the channel im not a satanist... its just truthseekers was taken and adding a 666 on the end gets people to go OOOOH.

peace and love and ***GOOD RESEARCH always***, to you all.

Matthew Williams

[beldazar]

So you must have originally been part of 'cropsatan' then? lovely....

[truthseekers]

So you must have originally been part of 'cropsatan' then? lovely....

You mean "Team Satan", nah thats some blokes from London who were accused of being dark and satanic by people who just like to poke nasty comments at things/people they dont understand so their nickname was jokingly Team Satan but they prefer being called "the circlemakers".

Our team doesnt really have a name we call ourselves by. Its all very anonymous as you had probably guessed by so few people who have ever come forward.

[beldazar]

You mean "Team Satan", nah thats some blokes from London who were accused of being dark and satanic by people who just like to poke nasty comments at things/people they dont understand so their nickname was jokingly Team Satan but they prefer being called "the circlemakers".

Our team doesnt really have a name we call ourselves by. Its all very anonymous as you had probably guessed by so few people who have ever come forward.

Yes thats the one! I heard they changed their name to 'circlemakers' I did an awful lot of research a couple of years ago going back and forth as what caused me to initially start to 'wake up' was a thought to look at crop circles!
I had no real prior interest in them and I dont watch sky or read newspapers. the boyfriend I had at the time said they were all hoaxes because it was on the 'discovery' channel so I went onto Wiki and was literally going back and forth for weeks, googling 'real cropcircles' fake cropcircles etc....I was astounded at the pattrns! Music had been made from the energy coming off them, the small mistakes, geometry, the works!
Im mot sure what to make of them any more TBH'

Ps I had heard that team satan were a group of around 15 people, I cant remember the names of the main men, Faulkner or something?? I heard that they were working for the CIA......

[truthseekers]

Errrm. Music from crop circles. Have you heard it. A mooing cow has got more musical ability than the wierd blips and squawks ive heard called "music of the circles". Its not for real, its very random stuff.

There were three main members of "the Circlemakers" ie john Lundberg, Rod Dickinson and Will Russell. They have used others to help on occasion if there lots to do but those people dont get credited.

There are lots of teams and about 30 people I know of doing stuff.

No, nobody works for the CIA.. or Mi6 (which would be more the thing being British dont you think... hehe). I dont know who comes out with this nonsense. Its just a defence mechanism people have when they hear people digginb their subject , "oooh were being attacked by the CIA". Yeah right. We make crop circles, we must be government agents. How about a bunch of guys interssted in art and paranormal effects.

You need to watch my video Circlemakers to learn more. Its on Youtube. Its the most accurate crop circle documentary your likely to see.

[relax]

Amazing thread, Do you want them to come? Just say yes..

[who elsie]

Levengood is far from a hero. I am a crop circle maker and yes before you start baulking like everyone does, no no no you dont make circles, I do. I have even been arrested, prosecuted and have a criminal record for it, so if its good enough for the courts then please dont attack me for what i am about to say.

Matthew Williams

Hi truthseeker. Thank you for that interesting post. I'm sure you are genuine in much of what you say, but I can't help see a bit of a contradiction in someone that calls themself a truthseeker, yet goes around making crop circles, designed to deceive. Please tell me what your motivation is, if not just to satisfy your own ego and laugh at those that may be fooled by your creations.

I checked out your youtube documentary and from what I've seen so far, there is nothing there to convince me that you have made any significant formations at all. It appears to be just a collection of interviews with 'circle-makers' - including the infamous Doug Bower - of Doug & Dave fame. I'm sorry, but I can't take any documentary seriously that gives credance to that pair. Where is the footage of you making the circles? If I have missed it, please forgive me, but surely that's all you need to convince people that you made them. Interviews mean sweet FA. It would also be nice if you explained how you encorporated the advanced geometric features into the designs and staked it all out in pitch darkness. I will certainly look forward to that video! But in the meantime it's just not happening. Cheers!

[romas]

I think if you showed some drawing of future geometric shapes you will make, we could verify some time in the future. Right now it's hear say evidence.

[hagbard_celine]

Levengood is far from a hero. I am a crop circle maker and yes before you start baulking like everyone does, no no no you dont make circles, I do. I have even been arrested, prosecuted and have a criminal record for it, so if its good enough for the courts then please dont attack me for what i am about to say.

Levengood has been proven wrong on more than one occasion by his research methods being wrong. He has been shown to not be able to tell the difference between a man made circle under his tests and a "real circle". This was exposed in a big way and is now forgotten and swept under the carpet. You still see his flawed research put forward today as proof. It is nothing of the sort. When he tested samples from man made circles they were shwoing "blown nodes" and "microwave damage" which is a sure fire sign you get in what is claimed "real circles". The samples were sent to him as a test by his regular sample collection team. He failed badly. It proves the work done to test circles cannot be trusted at all.

So who is Levengood. Well he has used the title Dr. This is false. When questioned as to where he got his doctorate he claimed and honourary Doctorate "The National Academy of Sciences". They were contacted by UFO researcher Kevin Randle who was told point blank by the NAS that "They do not give out Honorary Doctorates!". So the lie was bumped even further by Levengood with a further lie. It beggars belief!

So he is a somewhat trained biophysicist who has done some research on crop circles which apparently rocked the scientific world. Well lets rewind on that one too. One of his two famous papers on the subject was removed from peer review journals because of improper methodology (to be polite). How many people do you know have papers REMOVED.... hmmmm!

Lastly whatever sort of nice guy he might be who is just trying to help, his work is suspect and since I have seen about 40 of my circles declared REAL by the guy I think I am in a unique poisition to be able to say I dont think much of his work. Because of teh Scandal regarding him he is not referred to by BLT as WC Levengood, not Dr Levengood. Did you notice that? Still TV shows and reports feature him as Doctor (Dr)... Who is telling them he is a Dr? Is he the one doing it? When I have been asked for my name for credits I dont think TV or newspeople have ever described me as Dr Matthew Williams by mistake before now. Hmmmm. Interesting.

Another faker of the same ilk is Michael Glickman. Since it was exposed that his professor title was fake he now refers to himself only as Michael Glickman and even has made up a new title for himself Michael Glickman Master Geometer. Hmmm. Well I exposed he wasnt a professor by asking the USC (University of Souther California) about him and they said he only gave a few lectures there for students and was NOT a professor! Oh how the mighty fall, under the weight of their own bullshit. You cant go giving yourself title of Master it has to be bestowed on you. Otherwise I would be a master computer repair engineer, master circlemaker and master aircraft pilot. Titles arent self bestowed... in the world most of us live in!

I like the truth... I also like David Icke a lot and was responsible for producing his first 3 major videos for him over 15 years ago. So please take it from me I am not out to put people down unless they deserve it. David is great as far as im concerned, never been to sure about the reptilian stuff but the rest of his work is brilliant and hes a nice guy otherwise I wouldnt have made the videos for him... so this is who I am and my opinions are not as part of some disinformation campaign. Its just tehres so much rubbish out there about crop circles it makes me wretch.

If you want massive amounts of info on my crop circle work... check out my Youtube channel on truthseekers666, do a youtube search for me. Then watch Circlemakers for the real truth on crop circles... and see some of the stuff ive made for demonstration and see if my circles are "the crap ones" as circles researchers try and spin against me and other circlemakers. Oh yes the truthseekers 666 is just a way to get people interested in the channel im not a satanist... its just truthseekers was taken and adding a 666 on the end gets people to go OOOOH.

peace and love and ***GOOD RESEARCH always***, to you all.

Matthew Williams


Hi Matthew. I've studied your UFO work a lot. I remember seeing you on TV with Jon Ronson when he discussed the fake moon landings. I saw your name in the credits of David's vid, but wasn't sure if it was the same Matthew Williams.

Well, it's always good to hear the other side of the story. In fact I watched your lecture at the CFZ's Weird Weekend, so I'm used to hearing both sides of the story. You may say that Leavengood's far from a hero while others will say that he's not. I have looked at what both sides have to say and I don't think he's a fraud. Some of what he found matches my own experiences of crop circles; I think that is what clinches it.:cool: I've made some of the same observations he has.

[phildee3]

One of the "rumours" has been verified:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/liddington/liddington2009.html

It has lots of delicate standing crop in the "downed" areas - much like the first one.
Keep checking the website for aerials.