Latter-Day Saints

[zero1]

How come we rarely discuss the role of the Church of the Latter-Day Saints in conspiracy chat? LDS is highly connected to Masonry.

Mormonism has easily the most outrageous religious doctrines and claims of any or all of the religions (even). I mean Kobal, God having a Body and lots of goddess-wives, Lucifer being Jesus' brother and, er, the Angel Moroni? Come on...it's ace stuff!

This bears investigation. South Park tells us "only Mormons go to Heaven". Is this true? Is the Angel Moroni the patron of morons..?

Was Joseph Smith a Masonic tool? Are there powerful Mormons at work behind the scene of American/world politics? What do we know of the esoteric side of Mormonism?

Any takers?

[turquoisefire777]

sorry if i get a little off topic...but in the Bible we can see that Jacob's uncle, Laban, is a real cunt to him, deceiving him about 22 times.

and in the Book of Mormon, the prophet Nephi chops off the head of Laban, beacuse of Laban being such a cunt...

intersting how some of the Bible and the BOM interrelates...

[eternal_spirit]

LDS or LSD? The history books got it wrong it was Smith or whoever invented LSD! The guy who was out in the countryside one day and came across two stones that started to talk to him and gave him the basis for the Mormon religion. Was he taking Lsd...

Which sounds much like Scientology invented by Science fiction writer Hubbard, who added a bit of Crowley's ideas (another known make it up as you go along fantasy maker of a crazy religion)

Mormonism
Teachings such as
Elohim a God on a distant planet, created two sons Jesus and Lucifer(Satan)

The Elite of the Church take part in masonic like rituals in the Temple. Alot of what they teach is much like masonry example..man and woman are imperfect and must try and become Gods and Goddesses, the higher up they go in the Church the more wives the men are allowed and consider themselves Gods whose purpouse is to have as many children as possible.

The Mormons have a collection of geneological records. They believe by keeping records and information of dead people they can convert their spirits to the religion of Mormon. Read this ages ago so don't know if it's true. Maybe closer to the truth is it's a way of adding people's info to the NWO Computer data base.

[eternal_spirit]

Mormons, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

Freemasons higher degrees



Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon cult
Hyrum Smith, brother of Joseph Smith
Brigham Young, 2nd leader of the Mormon cult
Sidney Rigdon, early Mormon
Heber C. Kimball, wished that all men were Freemasons
Spencer Kimball , closet Freemason, grandchild of Herber, friend of Norman Vincent Peale

[lostinstrangeworld]

The Mormons have a collection of geneological records. They believe by keeping records and information of dead people they can convert their spirits to the religion of Mormon. Read this ages ago so don't know if it's true. Maybe closer to the truth is it's a way of adding people's info to the NWO Computer data base.
Yes, this is basically true. They also do "baptisms for the dead" by proxy in their temple.

There was a great Southpark episode about Joseph Smith somewhere on Youtube, it got removed but I found it again the other day; someone had managed to get it up there by giving it a less obvious name.

There is a lot of information on the net about the Mormon church and Joseph Smith for anybody who is interested. I'm sure much of it is true, however, bear in mind that some of it might also be made up or exaggerated by other fanatical, anti-mormon christians.

[soap]

I think it should be pointed out from the outset here, that Joseph is never described in the original texts of the bible as being a Carpenter (this is important). The original wording is that he was 'A master of the craft'.

[soulja]

I think it should be pointed out from the outset here, that Joseph is never described in the original texts of the bible as being a Carpenter (this is important). The original wording is that he was 'A master of the craft'.

telling us he was a high level Mason..

they don't hide what they are, infact they tell us straight up but in 'coded' language.

here's one of their temples in Illinois,
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http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/20020128_2.jpg
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http://www.lds.org/temples/main/0,11204,1912-1-160,00.html

The Mormons have a collection of geneological records. They believe by keeping records and information of dead people they can convert their spirits to the religion of Mormon

i think that's a cover story, something they tell their lower hierachs and the public, in truth the geneological records are kept for different reasons like for example keeping a tap on the unofficial bloodliners.

probably the reason why they are important in the overall brotherhood structure were every group has it's (specific) purpose.

[armoured_amazon]

LDS. I do not want.

[duckingdafta]

I took my partner out of this cult and they still come knocking at the door.. I have a habit or arranging meetings with the elders that visit and making sure I get a JW and a Muslim (Imam) friend of mine to call at the same time.. quite funny seeing all in one room trying to convert an Atheist.... really knackered the conversations when I put Zeitgeist on and ask for opinions!> :D
the truth isn't out there...till we put it there. :D

[phildee3]

LDS. I do not want.



Don't click here then.

[phildee3]

I think it should be pointed out from the outset here, that Joseph is never described in the original texts of the bible as being a Carpenter (this is important). The original wording is that he was 'A master of the craft'.



The original word can be translated either way but, yes, it makes more sense that you are right. It is consistant with the holy family's other circumstances.
Where did they go to escape Herod?
Egypt.
Mary's uncle, Joseph of Arimathea, was very high up in the administration. A "ducurion" - Minister of Mines - in charge of all metals.
They were of the "House of David" - King David - a royal household.

I don't think that this shows that they were corrupt though.
I think that the corruption within masonry, and in the family's subsequent bloodlines, comes somewhat later.

[soap]

The original word can be translated either way but, yes, it makes more sense that you are right. It is consistant with the holy family's other circumstances.
Where did they go to escape Herod?
Egypt.
Mary's uncle, Joseph of Arimathea, was very high up in the administration. A "ducurion" - Minister of Mines - in charge of all metals.
They were of the "House of David" - King David - a royal household.

I don't think that this shows that they were corrupt though.
I think that the corruption within masonry, and in the family's subsequent bloodlines, comes somewhat later.

I wasn't suggesting he was a Mason at all, I just posted it because I didn't want to see a lot of carpentry references being dug up when there is no evidence to suggest that master of the craft indicates that Joseph was a Carpenter.

[onourwayto2012]

It would really suck IMO to have to traipse around for 2 years fresh outa high school trying to get thousands of disinterested(or worse) people to listen to your bull-oney.

[soap]

It would really suck IMO to have to traipse around for 2 years fresh outa high school trying to get thousands of disinterested(or worse) people to listen to your bull-oney.

Eh?

[lostinstrangeworld]

The young mormons are encouraged to go on a "mission" fort 2 years.

[thelonious]

Was Joseph Smith a Masonic tool?

No.

Are there powerful Mormons at work behind the scene of American/world politics?

Yes.


What do we know of the esoteric side of Mormonism?



It's a scam.

Joseph Smith was briefly a Freemason. He and and a couple thousand of other Mormons received the three degrees of Ancient Craft Masonry over two days at a Lodge in Nauvoo, Ill. This was done amid protest from non-Mormon Masons (the Worshipful Master of the Lodge had converted to Mormonism, and authorized it).

The non-Mormon Masons complained to the Grand Lodge of Illinois who, after investigation, expelled Smith and the other Mormons from Masonry. In reality, Joseph Smith was only a Mason for about 2 months.

Later, when writing the Mormon Endowment Ceremony, he plagiarized large portions of Masonic ritual. Most of the Masonic elements in Mormon ritual have since been removed.

Originally, then, there were strong ritualistic parallels between Mormonism and Masonry, but the philosophy taught in the two organizations were very different.

As for power Mormons, Orrin Hatch and Mitt Romney are two pretty good examples.

As for being "esoteric", I don't see much esoteric value in Mormonism. It seems to have been based on a scam by Smith to milk people out of their money and allow him to have sex with teenage girls.

[soap]

No.



Yes.




It's a scam.

Joseph Smith was briefly a Freemason. He and and a couple thousand of other Mormons received the three degrees of Ancient Craft Masonry over two days at a Lodge in Nauvoo, Ill. This was done amid protest from non-Mormon Masons (the Worshipful Master of the Lodge had converted to Mormonism, and authorized it).

The non-Mormon Masons complained to the Grand Lodge of Illinois who, after investigation, expelled Smith and the other Mormons from Masonry. In reality, Joseph Smith was only a Mason for about 2 months.

Later, when writing the Mormon Endowment Ceremony, he plagiarized large portions of Masonic ritual. Most of the Masonic elements in Mormon ritual have since been removed.

Originally, then, there were strong ritualistic parallels between Mormonism and Masonry, but the philosophy taught in the two organizations were very different.

As for power Mormons, Orrin Hatch and Mitt Romney are two pretty good examples.

As for being "esoteric", I don't see much esoteric value in Mormonism. It seems to have been based on a scam by Smith to milk people out of their money and allow him to have sex with teenage girls.


I agree with you. Illuminism is much more esoteric.

[steevo]

LDS missionaries have been known to visit me on occasions ;) They cant wait to get out of the door by the time I've finished with them :D

[lostinstrangeworld]

I became interested in the church when I was 13....because I fancied the missionaries.

My parents actually met in the mormon church. :eek:
Luckily my mum stopped going to the church when I was a baby, after their divorce.

I left when I was 14 (after going for a year) because I visited the temple and found it too weird, also it didn't FEEL right any more.

Unfortunately, my mum and two older brothers still go. :eek:

It worries me sometimes. :(

[thetonic]

heres a fantastic book on mormons written in the early 1800's ...only $300

The life and crimes of Mormonism...
http://cgi.ebay.com/1870-occult-book-CRIME-OF-MORMONISM-mormon-religion-LDS_W0QQitemZ110292752133QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item1 10292752133&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

high levels of brainwash and manipulation goin on in Church of LDS

[phildee3]

I wasn't suggesting he was a Mason at all, I just posted it because I didn't want to see a lot of carpentry references being dug up when there is no evidence to suggest that master of the craft indicates that Joseph was a Carpenter.



So what do you suggest he was? :confused:

[thetonic]

So what do you suggest he was? :confused:

just another bloody dime a dozen satanist

[phildee3]

It would really suck IMO to have to traipse around for 2 years fresh outa high school trying to get thousands of disinterested(or worse) people to listen to your bull-oney.



Wudennit?

No wunder they all got zits!

[phildee3]

just another bloody dime a dozen satanist



I'm not sure if I can handle this conversation being raised to such an intellectual level...

[kweli]

I'm not sure if I can handle this conversation being raised to such an intellectual level...

He says.. ;)

Wudennit?

No wunder they all got zits!

[thetonic]

I'm not sure if I can handle this conversation being raised to such an intellectual level...

lol.. whadya want ? a definition and detailed description for every wank out there? I use the term satanist as a blanket statment for people that display any number of characteristics including but not limited to ; sacrificing human or animal life, molest or rape or fuck 12yr olds in a ritual fashion , practice channeling spirits, conjuring forces against other life forms, brainwash , control, generally do things that harm or hamper another individual ..etc.

[tinmenace]

.Except from Tales From The Time Loop (http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=3/affiliate/idevaffiliate.php?id=288_0_1_8) by David Icke


Church of Latter Day Reptiles
A regular source of information about Reptilian activities and rituals are those who have been involved in 'religious' organizations, not least the Jehovah's witnesses and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints (LDS), better known as the Mormons. Both were formed by members of the Merovingian bloodline like Mormons, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, and Charles Taze Russell of the Watchtower Society. These 'Churches' have been controlled ever since by the Merovingian Reptilian shape-shifters. A lady called Diana Huston told me of her experiences with the Jehovah's Witness mind-control sect, officially titled the watchtower Bible and Tract Society. She joined them in 1969 because, after going through the Vietnam War with her husband, was attracted by the message of paradise on Earth. She was OK for a few years, but then they became more demanding and controlling. In 1987 she said that subliminal drawings began to appear in the artwork of their books and magazines depicting bizarre faces and trance messages. Some of these are detailed in the Symbolism Archives on my website (www.davidicke.com). At a small convention in September 1988, she spoke privately to one of the governing body 'elect'. At that time she thought they were the 'good guys'. The man was about five-foot-ten with dark hair and was powerfully built. She said that she looked into his eyes and was startled and terrified to see a thin membrane drop over his human eyes. She didn't know if the membrane came from the bottom of his eyelid or the top. "I'd never heard of lizard beings, but I remember thinking how much his eyes looked like those of a lizard", she recalled. The membrane dropped over his eyes when he looked at her and he seemed to recognize her, although at the time she couldn't imagine why. The sense of terrible danger that she felt, and the need to get away from him, was overwhelming. She went on:

"Eventually I came to understand that the leaders are not fully human, but are the offspring of something alien to this Earth. They are too cunning, lethal, and intelligent to have originated from here, and there has to be an over-race of beings guiding them from some dimension. They are here for one reason only. They look at humans as a source of enslavement for their enjoyment to torment and abuse, to misuse power and to cruelly punish and kill."

As she researched the religion's documents and books, she said she began to uncover a trail of arms and drug-running (which the Illuminati globally controls), and "plots to destroy the world and take it for their own". Diane took her "mountains" of evidence to the US Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) and met with them. They said that she was either a genius or totally insane. She said she learned that the Watchtower Society had hidden rooms under the streets of Brooklyn, New York, where they have their headquarters over the now abandoned old Brooklyn subway. There they practice Satanic ritual, including the sacrifice of human infants, she said, and here they also keep women who are used as "breeders" for babies to be sacrificed. This happens all over the world because the babies are never officially registered and therefore never reported missing. To the system, they have never existed. The main Illuminati bloodlines also conceive children in the rituals. Diane wrote that this Watchtower Satanic operation is totally self-sufficient and even uses blood in the ink of the magazines. She said that she and a friend tried to warn people through the media with no success (I am surprised!) and her friend had a nervous breakdown from which she has never fully recovered.

One of many accounts to come from former members of the Mormon "Church" was sent by a woman - I will call her "Jane" - who claims she suffered in a Mormon mind-control project from the time she was a young child. Cathy O'Brien says that the Mormon Church and especially the operation at Salt Lake City is a major mind-control center and I am producing a video called Satanism and the Mormon Church with a former Mormon mind-slave, Sharon Jacobs, who has talked to me at length about the rituals and Reptilian shape-shifters within the Mormon hierarchy. The overwhelming majority of Mormons have no idea what their organization is really about. Former military sources claim that the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City, which is covered in Illuminati symbols like the all-seeing eye, stands over a large underground Reptilian "hive" that can be accessed from the temple. "Jane" said she saw her babies sacrificed in Mormon rituals and that is a common theme of such accounts. Sharon Jacobs tells a similar story. In her pursuit of the truth, Jane spoke with another victim of ritual abuse by the Mormon and Roman Catholic Church. This other lady told her that the Mormon "Prophet" (the official head of the Church) had taken her baby from her at a ritual and eaten it. Two other women raised as Catholics told her that they had seen the abusers shape-shift into Reptilians and eat a human sacrifice. Jane said that Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormons, was from "the occult bloodlines" (very true) and the whole official story was a lie. "The leaders are mostly reptilian", she said. "One witness says that only one of the twelve [Mormon] apostles did not shape-shift at the ritual". She goes on:

"I was so mad to find out that the alien abuse was connected to the ritual abuse in the church when I had believed the church was true. [Now I know that] ... our families are from occult bloodlines of England and Europe. This has gone on for hundreds and thousands of years."

Sharon Jacobs has confirmed all of this and more and she names in the video the major Mormon leaders involved. She tells of horrific sex and blood rituals under the Salt Lake Temple in which goats and babies are sacrificed and aborted fetuses eaten by the participants. Stewart Swerdlow says that one reason sex is so important in the rituals is that human semen is considered the most potent booster of mammalian genetics to hold Reptilian form. This often involves eating the genitals of the sacrificial victim. For certain, Satanic ritual goes on within the Mormon Church and, in fact, the number of accounts has forced even the Mormon hierarchy to admit it happens. What they deny, of course, is the scale on which it happens and that it goes right to the top. Indeed, it is orchestrated from there. There are a number of websites exposing this, including a site set up by former Mormons, one of whom is the same bloodline as the Mormon hero Brigham Young. The Mormon Church is such a blatant Illuminati front. Orrin Hatch, the senator for Utah, has appeared a number of times in my books for his statements supporting the Illuminati line. He is the man attacking Internet freedom and pressing for technology that would destroy computers when people download copyrighted material. This is not the real reason, obviously. The idea eventually is to destroy the computers of those challenging the Illuminati agenda. Ironically, Hatch also claims to be an advocate of child protection. Well, if he's really serious he should start with the Mormon Church. Do you think he will? Nor me.

LDS Temple - Salt Lake City, Utah

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[tinmenace]

The first Mormons (the Smiths) were freemasons. Brigham Young was a freemason too.

http://spiritual-nature.com/images/freemasonmormon.jpg
Quote from: Equal Rights - The book of mormon, masonry, gender and the American culture by Clyde R. Forsberg Jr.

[soap]

So what do you suggest he was? :confused:

I'm not suggesting he was anything, there's just no evidence to support that he was a carpenter. I doubt Illuminism or Freemasonry was around in the B.C. :)

[soap]

And, as per "jane's" account - the Draconian's are not Alien.

[phildee3]

I'm not suggesting he was anything, there's just no evidence to support that he was a carpenter.



We are discussing the evidence in the bible that says he was a craftsman, are we not?
So the evidence suggests that he was either a carpenter, a stonemason or an adept of "the craft."



I doubt Illuminism or Freemasonry was around in the B.C. :)



The roots of freemasonry go back to the Egyptian, pyramid builders, or before!
I think you are talking about corrupt freemasonry.
Sure, that is well into years AD (I've not studied to try and find out when and how that happened, -maybe I will).

[soap]

We are discussing the evidence in the bible that says he was a craftsman, are we not?
So the evidence suggests that he was either a carpenter, a stonemason or an adept of "the craft."



The roots of freemasonry go back to the Egyptian, pyramid builders, or before!
I think you are talking about corrupt freemasonry.
Sure, that is well into years AD (I've not studied to try and find out when and how that happened, -maybe I will).

I probably mean Illuminism and Esoteric Masonry.

[phildee3]

I probably mean Illuminism and Esoteric Masonry.



Interesting.
Do you equate esotericism with corruption?
and/or
did these two things come into masonry simultaneously or did one precede the other?

I don't see LDS as being very esoteric, - quite the opposite.