"New Age"/New World Order?

[wheresmyparachute]

Its been eight or nine years since my last... No, what I mean to say is that it has been about that long since I actually met David Icke and waited all day and night just to shake his exhausted hand. It was at the Santa Clara California convention center "Conspiracy Con". For some reason a friend of mine who had a booth there asked me to join her, she was demonstrating her Rife bio feedback- machine. The night before I had this extremely strong pull to ask her if I could share her booth and do some healing work there. It was not a health faire and none of it made sense but I had to go. My higher guidance was telling me that it was a perfect place to exercise my vulnerability. If I couldn't be completely vulnerable with my work how could my clients feel safe and open? What better place than something called "Conspiracy Con"? (I have new guides now - -me). I had a great day with excellent response from people in between the David Icke lectures. It was as if I was on a track, everything went well. I sang the sacred languages and wrote out the star glyphs for the first time per each client. I don't think anyone was speaking "light languages" at that time and it kind of freaked a few people out. A man gave me the sign of the cross as he walked by. Even a few "big wigs" dropped by with a serious look on their face. They were concerned about what I was doing. These were people who were spiritual leaders, so to speak... On the other hand there were many, many supportive people there. One lady told me "whatever it is your doing, don't stop doing it and don't let anyone tell you to stop doing it!" That was very reassuring. At the end of the day I waited to see if I could actually meet the man himself and shake David Icke's hand. I followed him like a collie back to the booth area. He gave me a very blank poker face which I thought was due to complete exhaustion, but maybe even David Icke had heard about the strange languages I was speaking during healing work. Last night I saw an interview of David Icke on consciousmedianetwork.com. It was excellent. He was speaking about how people sometimes view things or other people who are expressing themselves differently as being bad or dangerous and that they are like sheep. He mentioned that even the sheep have other sheep that protect them to keep the consciousness from opening up. It is so true. I notice that just like the sheepy people's sheep, "Green Party" experience that David Icke spoke about, the "New Age" scene is not much different. There are many areas of the New Age social game that works hard to keep the information closed so it can control its own way of doing business and administration and of course... the MONEY! I will continue my work despite the sharky new age/new world order game. I'm in it but the difference is that fortunately or unfortunately I've never been driven by money. My path and work are a natural part of my life, no real choice in the matter. There are many wonderful people of glorious virtue who hold on to the wisdom of the heart and understand the truth which David Icke himself has written in a book about -Love- being the only truth that there is. As far as the new age/new world order goes, it too exists and in many ways eliminates the heart of the matter and exemplifies frequency and evolution. Atlantis anyone? Without the heart in partnership with the earth and the human body, we arn't going anywhere. It is important to have qualified alternative healing practioners in the world and there are many excellent people out there doing excellent work. It is the other percentage of less virtuous healing practitioners, spiritual channels, etc.that have been popping up. Seeking spiritual truth has become big business and the wisdom of the heart is not exactly a popular feature on the ten best selling new age book lists. Gratitude, how to create abundance, how to ascend, how to become enlightened and raise your frequency... power. None of it can happen and maintain consistency without the heart. Compassion is not only a powerful virtue to cultivate, it is essential for the survival of the human being. When humans work on clearing karma, raising frequency, without working with the heart, the heart suffers - the human physical heart suffers and becomes depleted. At that point, we have to go very deep and work quickly to recalibrate and recover... if its not too late~ Love, lkd

[thirdwave]

I don't really think the elite want to spend to much time teaching people about spirituality.... false or true.... unless its religion whish nowadays is not at all spiritual...

they want us like robots.... to be honest most new age folk are in better condition than regular folk mentaly....... even if allot of it is a bit pretentious...

also you cant really generalise what "new age" is.... its a word used to cover such a vast amount of beliefs....

[wheresmyparachute]

hmmm... alrighty then. By the way, nice tat -as tats go~

[montag]

Interesting post wheresmyparachute, but very difficult to read.. Try breaking it up in to paragraphs next time.

Montag

[thirdwave]

hmmm... alrighty then. By the way, nice tat -as tats go~

thanks... its a crop circle pluss a load of free hand stuff....

[lumukanda]

i think it's important to remember that lots of new age stuff is also 'infiltrated', take the council of nine as an example, all new agey type stuff, chanelled UFO kind of stuff.
the message is all nice, friendly aliens out to help us, that kind of thing.
central to this whole thing is a man known as Andrija Puharich, he pretty much started the whole 'movement', but if we look closer, we see some very scary stuff :

Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the history of The Nine is its relationship to the career of Andrija Puharich. Recent research has revealed Puharich to have a distinctly sinister side. As an Army doctor in the 1950s, he was deeply involved with the CIA's notorious MKULTRA mind control project (see panel). He - together with the infamous Dr Sidney Gottlieb - experimented with a variety of techniques to change or induce actual thought processes. even to creating the impression of voices in the head. These techniques included the use of drugs, hypnosis and beaming radio signals directly into the subject's brain. And, significantly, he was engaged in this work at exactly the same time that The Nine made their first appearance at the Round Table Foundation. The Foundation itself is now known to have been largely funded by the Pentagon as a front for its medical and parapsychological research. Puharich was still working for the CIA in the early 1970s, when he brought Uri Geller out of Israel. Puharich's use of hypnosis is particularly interesting in The Nine circle. In the case of Uri Geller and Bobby Horne, he first hypnotised them and then suggested that they were in touch with The Nine - and lo, they were! Ira Einhorn - a close associate of Puharich's during the 1970s - confirmed to us that he believed that Puharich was "humanly directing" The Nine communications.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/council_of_nine_fortean.htm

so what i'm saying is not that the new age inherently bad, but it has also been infiltrated and people should be very careful of what info they trust, do some research, beacause just because it's all nice messages, doesn't mean the intent is.

[limelady]

Then there is the school of thought that suggests the New Age movement was invented by the NWO crowd, to keep people so fully amused with the business of 'self-awareness' and 'ego-expressed love' (as opposed to heart-felt love), that they would never see the wood for the trees....until it was way too late to stop the NWO train from mowing us all down.

[wheresmyparachute]

Thanks--- that's kind of where I was going with this thread. I live about an hour south of Mt. Shasta, California. I feel that there is the potential for corruption in any group that grows large enough to create commercial opportunity. I may have generalized a bit using the "new age" scenario, but I do have that right -I have been a participant of it/in it.

I live in California, very close to certain "communities" that are not so ---- beloved? There is the business of spirituality everywhere these days and it costs money. Yes I know all about the worth factor of asking for money or else people do not seem to recognize the value of your service. But when working with the spirit it is different then selling a material product. I've noticed many situations where the practitioner was struggling for money and the desperation and fear of survival bled into the work. Greed has a tendancy to set in. That is the difference. The almighty dollar with all of its magical symbols on it spikes the wheel of opportunity with just a hint of desperation enscribed within it.

People can talk about angelic healing and channeling angels (which are really helpful ET's), but all I really want to know is ----- where's the love? You know, the help your fellow man/woman thing/good neighbor? Thats all I really want to know, where's the love? Love took a hike and is sitting at a booth, selling its book at the nearby psychic fair! ---

[quelyn]

WMP,

Very interesting thread..........helpful information..........didn't have a bit of trouble with the paragraphs or lack of. gentle smile

Question: Do you "feel" that your area and the Mt. Shasta greater community is a loving, spiritually progressing area? I am searching to relocate.

Thank you

[wheresmyparachute]

So your moving? I'm sorry if I sound negative but I've seen so much reality lately that I can barely hold on to my sarcasm! I will tell you my view of things which of course could be completely different for you (thank you for the nice comments by the way -although I too get annoyed with my unpolished grammar at times...).

To respond to your question I have to say that many people love the vibe and appearance of the Mt. Shasta area as I do and have contemplated moving there or somewhere near there. If you are an independantly wealthy person or someone who has the means to create a job working through the internet by remote, or you are a rock star, a movie star, an ET, or enjoys an area where there is very little activity and has a knack for carving out a lifestyle from scratch, its probably a great place to live. There are not very many resources up here for --- anything. It is quite a drive to go anywhere outside of these areas. The people who are not new age, metaphysical, or spiritually inclined are not so freindly in the actual town. The restaurants in my opinion serve poor quality food except for a Vietnamese restuarant in Dunsmuir. The actual town of Mt. Shasta is run by people who despise the new age situation but since it makes the town a lot of money, they tolerate it. I think the city council is influenced by real estate people which is common, and enjoys controlling the real estate and renting up there is not always easy. There is a lot of history here which has been connected to KKK, as well as nazi origins associated with the IAM organization. I heard a rumor that a woman was actually burned at the stake in the nearby town of Weed as recently as the late 1950's. I'm not sure if any of that is actually true... I know that the KKK headquarters was located in my town as recently as the late 1950's. Ashland Oregon is up the road about an hour and a half from Mt. Shasta. People come and go to Ashland thinking that it too is a great spiritual haven but they don't stay very long there either. The actual town is very small. Many popular authors live there (well, I know of only three...) I don't know whats happening in Southern California but there are a lot of struggling people in the "North State" as they say... There is a lot of poverty and homeless people. I've been here for four years and have been looking for a place to relocate. I've lived in the San Francisco bay area for most of my life and I thought it was a good idea to get away. Now I crave the drive to a department store just to stand in the cosmetic department and take in the vanity! Yeah baby! I've proven that I can live like a hermit but it just isn't my M.O... Now the real estate market has plunged and I have to get creative and do something quick! Best of luck, sorry for the length!

[john white]

The actual town of Mt. Shasta is run by people who despise the new age situation but since it makes the town a lot of money, they tolerate it.

LOL! Sounds just like Glastonbury....

[baron von lotsov]

i think it's important to remember that lots of new age stuff is also 'infiltrated', take the council of nine as an example, all new agey type stuff, chanelled UFO kind of stuff.
the message is all nice, friendly aliens out to help us, that kind of thing.
central to this whole thing is a man known as Andrija Puharich, he pretty much started the whole 'movement', but if we look closer, we see some very scary stuff :


http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/council_of_nine_fortean.htm

so what i'm saying is not that the new age inherently bad, but it has also been infiltrated and people should be very careful of what info they trust, do some research, beacause just because it's all nice messages, doesn't mean the intent is.

It was never a case of being infiltrated, it was planned by the elite all along for specific purposes, including a cover for brainwashing and to replace the Christian Church with a one world religion worshipping Lucifer. I have all the evidence to back this up if need be but suffice to say at this point that anyone who messes with it is quite frankly stupid, and especially people who claim to know what is going on. You have Google, find out for yourself, the evidence is quite plentiful on the web. Start say with the Lucis Trust.

[father ted]

Here's an article from Brian Desborough's website including the mention of "the nine", new age, ascended masters and special children:

http://www.briansbetterworld.com/articles/indigochildren.pdf

[tru3]

I live in California, very close to certain "communities" that are not so ---- beloved? There is the business of spirituality everywhere these days and it costs money. Yes I know all about the worth factor of asking for money or else people do not seem to recognize the value of your service. But when working with the spirit it is different then selling a material product. I've noticed many situations where the practitioner was struggling for money and the desperation and fear of survival bled into the work. Greed has a tendancy to set in. That is the difference. The almighty dollar with all of its magical symbols on it spikes the wheel of opportunity with just a hint of desperation enscribed within it.

i was in marin county about six years ago, and in the grocery store bulltetin board, where other places you'd see, "lost kittens" and garagae sales, this one was full of "i'll clear out yer third eye for 30 dollars, dude". :rolleyes:

there seemed to be more healers than sick people. seemed.

i believe in an energy exchange for healing work, but the greed comes out of attachment and fear of lack, imo. desperation is not an efficacious healing modality. if someone was freaking out about their mortgage, i really wouldnt want their hands on me. :(

i do healing work on friends and family, that's about it, because i don't want to make my living from it.

now, if i win the lottery, look out! ;)

[baron von lotsov]

You never stop to consider that this occult healing might just have something to do with the greed and desperation issues. No, I didn't think so. Just like everyone else I have ever met into the New Age you get blinded by it. You believe you can do no wrong, you think you are healing people when in fact you are really just practicing the occult on them and doing precisely what the system has wanted you to do. Ever since people were 2 years old they have been programmed into this stuff, Walt Disney has a lot to answer for and on it goes. Long term social planning. New Age = NWO.

[tru3]

You never stop to consider that this occult healing might just have something to do with the greed and desperation issues. No, I didn't think so. Just like everyone else I have ever met into the New Age you get blinded by it. You believe you can do no wrong, you think you are healing people when in fact you are really just practicing the occult on them and doing precisely what the system has wanted you to do. Ever since people were 2 years old they have been programmed into this stuff, Walt Disney has a lot to answer for and on it goes. Long term social planning. New Age = NWO.

number one, you have never met me. i have never met you. we have no way to guage the living truth of each others' lives. so, we have a difference of opinion. with respect to the efficacy of my healing practise, it is mostly self-directed, and my first dictum is do no harm.

number two, we're all blind people, feeling different parts of the elephant. i didn't seek out my gift, baron. i didn't go looking for it. my initial awakening was not due to some nwo scheme, but my own willingness and the presence of my beloved. my Thou. my path arose from there, from the power of the Heart. so, i don't really pay too much attention to people who have no experience of what it is that i write. i offer it as authentic experience, humbly given, for me alone. if it helps great. if not, who cares? i have no control over how people interpret that experience, nor do i care to control that interpretation. i have called myself a recovering new ager on more than one occasion on this forum. i'm very humble about my background, my own past illusions, and standing on my rock as well, my living truth, which you will never know, baron, as i will never know yours.

i've done my homework, my shadow work, and continue to do so.

have you?

so, i have no trouble owning my shit, baron, and thank you for sharing your opinion.

[i_am]

You never stop to consider that this occult healing might just have something to do with the greed and desperation issues. No, I didn't think so. Just like everyone else I have ever met into the New Age you get blinded by it. You believe you can do no wrong, you think you are healing people when in fact you are really just practicing the occult on them and doing precisely what the system has wanted you to do. Ever since people were 2 years old they have been programmed into this stuff, Walt Disney has a lot to answer for and on it goes. Long term social planning. New Age = NWO.

Whatever gave you the idea that 'the occult', as you call the power to heal, belongs to the bad guys? They just know how to use it and it is usually not for good.

This timeless knowledge has been kept hidden from the 'ordinary' people by the secret societies throughout the ages. They have passed it down and have used it to manipulate the masses. That doesn't mean the knowledge is bad. It has just not been used for the good of all. It has been used for the good of the few and bugger the all.

If people are now discovering how to use this knowledge for the good of all, how can that be wrong?

I don't get the greed and desperation reference. Where is the greed and desperation of healing friends and family, or anyone for that matter. Greed and desperation comes from a materialistic point of reference.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine.:D :p

[tru3]

Whatever gave you the idea that 'the occult', as you call the power to heal, belongs to the bad guys? They just know how to use it and it is usually not for good.

This timeless knowledge has been kept hidden from the 'ordinary' people by the secret societies throughout the ages. They have passed it down and have used it to manipulate the masses. That doesn't mean the knowledge is bad. It has just not been used for the good of all. It has been used for the good of the few and bugger the all.

If people are now discovering how to use this knowledge for the good of all, how can that be wrong?

I don't get the greed and desperation reference. Where is the greed and desperation of healing friends and family, or anyone for that matter. Greed and desperation comes from a materialistic point of reference.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine.:D :p

thanks i_am. there is misdirection, disinfo, and hijacking of the truth. i'm sorry, but imv, the nwo didn't create the dna, the energy system of the body, the god program did, and if you think you can heal yourself from the effects of its dis-ease with a politcal manifesto, baron, then i wonder who the real naif is?

imho, there is no political or social solution to the fundamental dilemmas and pain of human existence. change starts by looking in the mirror, ime.

with respect to the greed and desperation, i have found that if there is attachment to the outcome, or "want" of any kind, it affects the treatment.

[baron von lotsov]

Whatever gave you the idea that 'the occult', as you call the power to heal, belongs to the bad guys? They just know how to use it and it is usually not for good.

This timeless knowledge has been kept hidden from the 'ordinary' people by the secret societies throughout the ages. They have passed it down and have used it to manipulate the masses. That doesn't mean the knowledge is bad. It has just not been used for the good of all. It has been used for the good of the few and bugger the all.

If people are now discovering how to use this knowledge for the good of all, how can that be wrong?

I don't get the greed and desperation reference. Where is the greed and desperation of healing friends and family, or anyone for that matter. Greed and desperation comes from a materialistic point of reference.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine.:D :p

It's not an opinion, it is hard fact. I have the advantage (if you could call it that) of living in a town that the system is setting up as a kind of New Age capital of Blighty. Mental illness is rife there, it is crawling with the elite and system brainwashers. You just would not believe the sort of stuff that goes on there. Anyway if you don't take any notice of this warning that the New Age is not being hidden from you but rather pushed by major corporations then I'm afraid you will just be fodder like all the rest of the sheep.

[synergy777]

lets be frank and objective. christianity, is corrupted with new age/old age mystery school rituals, symbolism, etc.

alexander hislop/piers compton read.

yashuah came to correct the creators law, not start his own religion. if anyone has knowledge of the creator, they can never say start a religion in my name, only follow the creator, love one another, the soul, the kingdom of heaven is wthin. within us all, no matter wordly standing, levels of melanin, etc. how can you trust the authorities that conspired to murder him, have you no respect, love, loyalty to yashuah. by siding with his killers, i see what side of the line you stand.

do you stand with bush, nwo, no, why believe their handiwork, reinforce cultural programming does it? blind faith to kjv, council of nicea. test them by their fruits, test them by their actions, yashuah said this.

baron i respect you but you are still caught, held captive.

[baron von lotsov]

lets be frank and objective. christianity, is corrupted with new age/old age mystery school rituals, symbolism, etc.

alexander hislop/piers compton read.

yashuah came to correct the creators law, not start his own religion. if anyone has knowledge of the creator, they can never say start a religion in my name, only follow the creator, love one another, the soul, the kingdom of heaven is wthin. within us all, no matter wordly standing, levels of melanin, etc. how can you trust the authorities that conspired to murder him, have you no respect, love, loyalty to yashuah. by siding with his killers, i see what side of the line you stand.

do you stand with bush, nwo, no, why believe their handiwork, reinforce cultural programming does it? blind faith to kjv, council of nicea. test them by their fruits, test them by their actions, yashuah said this.

baron i respect you but you are still caught, held captive.

You attack the messenger because you can't attack the message. Also you have to change the subject as well. Nice try but you failed!

[synergy777]

that was lame, so lame. i am more english than you in actions. attack the messenger, baron you are no messenger, none of us are, get rid of you pontificating, stance. its common sense, critical thought. your complete lack of response, merely underlines my point. calling yourself baron, robber baron, lol

again, why do you believe the kjv etc. tell me, is ignorance bliss, nope its more like convienent denial from selective recognition. does yashuah being brown, make you happy or sad, tell me honestly? does knowing you fell for the crap make you feel bad. it made me feel bad,angry, betrayed, but i rose through it, it strengthned me, spiritual growing pains. see don't be angry, we all fall for it, but its if you get up, dust yourself off and give them a good bloody seeing to chap. stiff upper lip, rudyard kiplings if etc.

see the truth smashes the false divide and rule of the elite, the false pride, the false know it all mindset. the truth humbles, empowers, liberates and unites all.

[viginti tres]

It's not an opinion, it is hard fact. I have the advantage (if you could call it that) of living in a town that the system is setting up as a kind of New Age capital of Blighty. Mental illness is rife there, it is crawling with the elite and system brainwashers. You just would not believe the sort of stuff that goes on there. Anyway if you don't take any notice of this warning that the New Age is not being hidden from you but rather pushed by major corporations then I'm afraid you will just be fodder like all the rest of the sheep.

Is it hard fact is it, perhaps you can show us the documents that proove such hard fact. Are you saying that no one can heal, use psychic abilities, astral project etc. etc. because they are all working for the N.W.O, this is quite a bold statement Baron, which if I am sensing the general vibe of this forum right will offend a lot of people.

Now I agree with the others here that you are entitled to your own opinion, but can't you see how ridiculous you sound. Yes I am aware that their are charlatans out there, as with all fields and arts you will always have the vampiric sorts that abuse their gifts and lead people astray and slightly poorer than they arrived. These people always reveal themselves in the end. But are you saying that my ability to heal comes from the N.W.O and that tru3's does also.

This reminds me of those old stagnant men and women who see a young person and automatically think they are about to commit a crime, or the people that see a man on a Harley and already have him picked as a drug-dealing murderer.

The world is not black and white Baron, it is a multi-faceted rainbow that swirls and changes every second of every day. Intent is the key here....INTENT......if your intent is for personal and material gain or to conjure dark forces than that is what you will manifest, if your intent is pure and noble and is for the betterment of all beings than that is what you will manifest.

These people that we would call the Illuminati are using the forces of the occult (hidden) for their gain and our imprisonment.....yes this is fact. Yet, to say that ALL that could be charecterized as occult is demonic is naive to say the least. 'They' are using the forces of the universe to achieve their ends and I say it is time we counter by using our own powers in what ever way we choose to manifest them for the betterment of all (don't take a knife to a gun fight so to speak).

We are all in this together Baron I only wish you could experience the devine so that you may know that we do not fight alone, though don't get me wrong, no one is going to do the work for us, we must all do our bit.

Please don't think I'm having a go at you or anything mate, just trying to put things into perspective here and ofcourse this is my opinion.

You must have had some terrible experiences with those people that you term New-Agers, I am truly sorry to hear that if that's the case and I must add here that I have also experienced the 'darker' side of these things, but that does not mean that everyone is like that.

[synergy777]

considering the creator gave us a soul and these latent abilities and the nwo does all it can to keep us away from utilisng these creator given abilites. the test comes in what you use them for. if you help, heal, liberate its good. if you use it for yourself and hide info from the masses and use it to imprison, manipulate them its evil. why do organised religions hide these abiltiies from you and yet force you to believe in their symbolic/mystical rituals-dogma, baron, wake up.

he has been boxed in by kjv infalliable truth dogma. the do as i say, not as i do mantra of the clergy. the thing is we are all people, all imperfect, all with faults, none of us are perfect, above eachother.

one creator, one love.

[baron von lotsov]

You people really think that you are going to defeat the NWO with New Age thinking. You are jokers but unfortunately brainwashed at the same time. I have not got the energy to debrainwash each of you, although it is possible. I'm just warning you. I'm warning in particular the ones on this thread who don't practice it but are thinking of giving it a try and think the New Age is the NWO resistance to keep away from it unless you are trying to put it out of action. It's part of the system! Fact. Check it yourself, only you can convince yourself.

Did you check out the Lucis Trust?

No of course you didn't!!!

Blinded, fodder!!!

Sort it out and get busy with Google.

[viginti tres]

You people really think that you are going to defeat the NWO with New Age thinking. You are jokers but unfortunately brainwashed at the same time. I have not got the energy to debrainwash each of you, although it is possible. I'm just warning you. I'm warning in particular the ones on this thread who don't practice it but are thinking of giving it a try and think the New Age is the NWO resistance to keep away from it unless you are trying to put it out of action. It's part of the system! Fact. Check it yourself, only you can convince yourself.

Did you check out the Lucis Trust?

No of course you didn't!!!

Blinded, fodder!!!

Sort it out and get busy with Google.


Yes I have read about it and how dare you spew insults at us you close minded fool, I have also read extensively of the nine and their influence on the new age movement so get off ya soap box mate, there is only one example of brainwashing here and that is you Baron.

[synergy777]

controlled oppostion = zionism/christinity versus islam. all three are corrupted and owned by the nwo/saturanlia brotherhood. from the vatican sol invictus/mithras symbolism to the saturn cube/yoni case at mecca.

secondly, opposame, organised/corrupted reliigion, a fusion of historical truth and carefully edited texts and mystery school symbolism, you reject this and follow new age, which is old mystery school stuff repackaged to catch thr fall off from corrupt organised religion. opposames, the nwo own the religions, they own new age.

the need of an intemediary is false. you have texts, discern. you have soul, listen to it. you want to speak, connect with the creator, meditate/talk/pray to him/her.

so baron you recognise the nwo, lucis trust etc but fail to see their hands in the organised religion, eg kjv, talmud, hadiths etc.

[baron von lotsov]

Yes I have read about it and how dare you spew insults at us you close minded fool, I have also read extensively of the nine and their influence on the new age movement so get off ya soap box mate, there is only one example of brainwashing here and that is you Baron.

I'd laugh if it were not so sad.

You my friend, have been lead right up the garden path.

[synergy777]

think good/do good, be friendly, open, humble. stand up for those wrongly oppressed.

[viginti tres]

I'd laugh if it were not so sad.

You my friend, have been lead right up the garden path.

Yes it is sad Baron trully sad that some people can claim to know it all. I've got a little philosophy I live by, those that claim to know it all are only telling me one thing....they know nothing!

I am going now to spend my energy on more constructive pursuits and no one leads me anywhere, I choose my own path.

Enjoy your pit. Talk to me when you open your eyes.

[terminus_est]

Baron, while I am personally not too sure and keen about using occult and New Age-ish ways on fighting the NWO, I'd like to let you know about something you may want to speculate about Viginti Tres.

First of all Baron, Viginti was originally Master of Maya back at the Forum and I'm sure you remember him from that thread I started there about a year ago. Secondly, you should remember our discussions we had there and for a time and I even talked with him via private messaging and we became good friends of sorts and I came to the following conclusion. Viginti can be considered a New Ager, but unlike so many in the movement, he seems to know alot of the shit we know is going on and his life has been quite the rollercoaster. In recent times (before I got to know him on that thread), he was sunken into spiritual quicksand and visits to many so-called lightworkers didn't seem to help any. In fact, they made things worse for him down to the point in which he even contemplated suicide. Finally he met some spiritual lady that helped him change all this for the better. I havn't heard from him telling me about terrible things going on in his life since.

Now, getting on to the point about using methods that can be considered occultic to combat evil. When we talked with each other via PMs, Viginti/Maya has been sharing all sorts of supernatural experiences he has since been having with me and two of which are appropriate for this topic are that he once broke a generational curse and the other is that people that seemed demonically possessed, couldn't get close to him and if I remember correctly, he even claimed to have driven these entities off from people. Right, Maya?

Baron, I'd like for you to give us your feedback on this stuff. Even though I can't be completely certain about what kinds of forces Maya is in touch with, I can tell you that I personally don't feel like trying out any such methods as interesting as they might be.

[oceanwave]

talk about not seeing the wood for the trees!...

...new age...spew age..whatever fucking age

...y'all all bickering about *one* leaf amongst many

...which way does the wind blow?

...know that and go with *your* flow...

[john white]

You people really think that you are going to defeat the NWO with New Age thinking. You are jokers but unfortunately brainwashed at the same time. I have not got the energy to debrainwash each of you, although it is possible. I'm just warning you. I'm warning in particular the ones on this thread who don't practice it but are thinking of giving it a try and think the New Age is the NWO resistance to keep away from it unless you are trying to put it out of action. It's part of the system! Fact. Check it yourself, only you can convince yourself.

Did you check out the Lucis Trust?

No of course you didn't!!!

Blinded, fodder!!!

Sort it out and get busy with Google.

Course you could always check out what Icke says:

New Age/ Old Age = same bollocks

Given that we first discussed that issue in depth some 2 years ago Baron, you hardly have the excuse of not having sufficient time

Did you check it out?

No of course you didn't!!!

I find it wrily amusing to see a thread consisting of argument due to frustration/anger that others are not like ourselves, with the excuse of the aim of defeating "The New World Order", as understood to be:

A plan to reduce humans to identical programmed robots

If one's got a rigid belief system, one is in a cage. Period. Regardless of what one believes those beliefs to be

The path of Love is to embrace the 90% similarity, not condemn the 10% difference

[i_am]

The path of Love is to embrace the 90% similarity, not condemn the 10% difference

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[baron von lotsov]

Baron, while I am personally not too sure and keen about using occult and New Age-ish ways on fighting the NWO, I'd like to let you know about something you may want to speculate about Viginti Tres.

First of all Baron, Viginti was originally Master of Maya back at the Forum and I'm sure you remember him from that thread I started there about a year ago. Secondly, you should remember our discussions we had there and for a time and I even talked with him via private messaging and we became good friends of sorts and I came to the following conclusion. Viginti can be considered a New Ager, but unlike so many in the movement, he seems to know alot of the shit we know is going on and his life has been quite the rollercoaster. In recent times (before I got to know him on that thread), he was sunken into spiritual quicksand and visits to many so-called lightworkers didn't seem to help any. In fact, they made things worse for him down to the point in which he even contemplated suicide. Finally he met some spiritual lady that helped him change all this for the better. I havn't heard from him telling me about terrible things going on in his life since.

Now, getting on to the point about using methods that can be considered occultic to combat evil. When we talked with each other via PMs, Viginti/Maya has been sharing all sorts of supernatural experiences he has since been having with me and two of which are appropriate for this topic are that he once broke a generational curse and the other is that people that seemed demonically possessed, couldn't get close to him and if I remember correctly, he even claimed to have driven these entities off from people. Right, Maya?

Baron, I'd like for you to give us your feedback on this stuff. Even though I can't be completely certain about what kinds of forces Maya is in touch with, I can tell you that I personally don't feel like trying out any such methods as interesting as they might be.

A few brief points that come to mind on that are if you are dealing with the occult and summoning occult energies you are dealing with demons of one sort or another. There are supposed to be many different ones though I can't say I have personally noticed all these various distinctions, but occultist who do this stuff on a regular basis agree on this. Some you need a blood ritual to summon and are very powerful and others are minor in comparison. A mild addiction or a bit of a violent personality might be the result of being affected by them.

Also you are not dealing with just a force of influence you are dealing with an intelligence and that intelligence might be ten times that of a human intelligence. I can vouch for this as I have seen people suddenly acquire fantastic mental skills when in a kind of trance state, way beyond what they are normally capable of. Then of course you have other perks like prediction and all of that sort of thing. However, remember you are dealing with an intelligence which is trying to entrap and control you and you should know about salesmen and their free samples, that by offering someone something that person takes their trust etc.

However for all that someone might gain by this help there is a negative side, which is often far worse. Someone close, like a loved one gets a serious illness, you crash your car because someone just by chance was pulling out. Random bits of bad luck that tend to get more frequent and require more assistance from these occult forces. It's a game of trickery that you are bound to loose unless you pull out altogether and renounce it all. Chuck away every occult charm, admit to your friends that it is dodgy and rid yourself of all occultist influence. After this point, maybe a year later having kept to it you should find you can be satisfied with what you have, you loose all the addiction to it and you actually find people are more attracted to you and good luck comes your way all by itself, especially if you genuinely need something.

[tru3]

A few brief points that come to mind on that are if you are dealing with the occult and summoning occult energies you are dealing with demons of one sort or another. There are supposed to be many different ones though I can't say I have personally noticed all these various distinctions, but occultist who do this stuff on a regular basis agree on this. Some you need a blood ritual to summon and are very powerful and others are minor in comparison. A mild addiction or a bit of a violent personality might be the result of being affected by them.

ime, impressions arise. i do not ask for them, but i listen to what they have to say. why is unimportant, as is what. abide as the one who listens. :)

the descent into hell that you ascribe to meditation and investigating Consciousness, healing emotional wounds, and yes, literally breaking generational 'contracts' at the soul level, i have found to be exactly the reverse. my life is better in every way than when i was 30 years old.

baron, i was in hell. don't even talk to me about hell. and, just for today, the kingdom is before us.

Also you are not dealing with just a force of influence you are dealing with an intelligence and that intelligence might be ten times that of a human intelligence. I can vouch for this as I have seen people suddenly acquire fantastic mental skills when in a kind of trance state, way beyond what they are normally capable of. Then of course you have other perks like prediction and all of that sort of thing. However, remember you are dealing with an intelligence which is trying to entrap and control you and you should know about salesmen and their free samples, that by offering someone something that person takes their trust etc.

yes, i agree, those are parlor tricks. ones path must unfold organically. many seekers, imv, wear themselves out buying water at the river's edge. we had a term for it: "microwave spirituality". it doesn't exist, and believed me, i've looked! :D

However for all that someone might gain by this help there is a negative side, which is often far worse. Someone close, like a loved one gets a serious illness, you crash your car because someone just by chance was pulling out. Random bits of bad luck that tend to get more frequent and require more assistance from these occult forces. It's a game of trickery that you are bound to loose unless you pull out altogether and renounce it all. Chuck away every occult charm, admit to your friends that it is dodgy and rid yourself of all occultist influence. After this point, maybe a year later having kept to it you should find you can be satisfied with what you have, you loose all the addiction to it and you actually find people are more attracted to you and good luck comes your way all by itself, especially if you genuinely need something.

again, the meat of the nut, one question: when the medical/sickness care industry finally breaks down, what will we do, what will our children do, what will our parents do?

judge by results; if energy work doesn't float your boat, find something to take care of yourself in mind, body, and spirit. :)

[viginti tres]

Course you could always check out what Icke says:

New Age/ Old Age = same bollocks

Given that we first discussed that issue in depth some 2 years ago Baron, you hardly have the excuse of not having sufficient time

Did you check it out?



I find it wrily amusing to see a thread consisting of argument due to frustration/anger that others are not like ourselves, with the excuse of the aim of defeating "The New World Order", as understood to be:

A plan to reduce humans to identical programmed robots

If one's got a rigid belief system, one is in a cage. Period. Regardless of what one believes those beliefs to be

The path of Love is to embrace the 90% similarity, not condemn the 10% difference

You have such a fine way of looking at things John and I agree 100%, we are all in this together guys and while all this infighting continues 'they' are frothing at the mouths and loving every second of it, I have no problem with any belief system whatsoever, you can believe whatever you want....why, because that is your right as free human beings.

A few brief points that come to mind on that are if you are dealing with the occult and summoning occult energies you are dealing with demons of one sort or another. There are supposed to be many different ones though I can't say I have personally noticed all these various distinctions, but occultist who do this stuff on a regular basis agree on this. Some you need a blood ritual to summon and are very powerful and others are minor in comparison. A mild addiction or a bit of a violent personality might be the result of being affected by them.

Also you are not dealing with just a force of influence you are dealing with an intelligence and that intelligence might be ten times that of a human intelligence. I can vouch for this as I have seen people suddenly acquire fantastic mental skills when in a kind of trance state, way beyond what they are normally capable of. Then of course you have other perks like prediction and all of that sort of thing. However, remember you are dealing with an intelligence which is trying to entrap and control you and you should know about salesmen and their free samples, that by offering someone something that person takes their trust etc.

However for all that someone might gain by this help there is a negative side, which is often far worse. Someone close, like a loved one gets a serious illness, you crash your car because someone just by chance was pulling out. Random bits of bad luck that tend to get more frequent and require more assistance from these occult forces. It's a game of trickery that you are bound to loose unless you pull out altogether and renounce it all. Chuck away every occult charm, admit to your friends that it is dodgy and rid yourself of all occultist influence. After this point, maybe a year later having kept to it you should find you can be satisfied with what you have, you loose all the addiction to it and you actually find people are more attracted to you and good luck comes your way all by itself, especially if you genuinely need something.

Yeah I can see where you are coming from Baron and I respect your discretion, it is a sign of wisdom to question all things and only the fool follows anything and any belief on 'what they heard'. And I am not directing this at you Baron, just making a point.

Just to clarify things here guys I follow no belief system at all "It is my belief that it is a mistake to hold beliefs", I like to keep my mind open to any and all possibilities. So I don't subscribe to any form of religion whether new-age or old-age but take fragments from all. There is truth in all things and I know how passionately people hold on to their beliefs, who am I to question what one knows in the heart.

Thank-you for that Terminus, I just want to clarify, especially for you Baron that I partake in absolutely no rituals anymore. In the past when I was young and naive, I did partake in such rituals and I am behind you 100%, in that it is not the way to go. The only ritualistic behaviour I adhere to know is my personal meditation , Qi-gong and martial arts practice. There was a thread in the old Icke forum about dark magic and its positive aplications (I know, total contradiction), I'll try to articulate my opinion on this.

The way of the dark arts is the way of the weakling, the destroyer and the manipulator. Too lazy or weak to manifest their own majik they prey on the light and beauty of others, and use this stolen energy to conjure their majik. They are vampires that have destroyed their souls and their own vital force (chi) and so must take it from others. This is the dark path and is full of karmic interference as you suggest Baron, creating ripples that sooner or later engulf the practitioner in their own darkness.

The way of the true magician is by creating your own majik, manifesting through the knowledge of self the incredible power that lies within all those devine sparks or human souls if you will. This is the way of the creator (the way God in which ever way you see it intended) finding the power within and realising ones ability to manifest absolute grace and beauty, to guide others not by preaching or offering warnings to stray from this or that, but by being the beacon in their times of darkness lighting the way so they may know that they are the embodiment of love.

True majik comes from the core of our being and no person can take that away without our permission. So are we really so different afterall Baron....

Jees would have saved a great deal of energy if I just said that in the beginning, sorry if I have offended you Baron (still working on that visceral response and I've just quit smoking both ciggies and weed so I'm a little edgy)

[baron von lotsov]

the meat of the nut, one question: when the medical/sickness care industry finally breaks down, what will we do, what will our children do, what will our parents do?





What do you mean "breaks down"? It's already broken down and the medicines are often poisons and the lies are just so incredible it leaves me speechless.

My personal experience is that I decided to stop going to a dentist about 20 years ago and have never had the slightest problem with my teeth since. I don't get I'll, I have not even had a cold or the flu for about the last two years and I recall the last time as being less than a day. The key is a strong immune system by eating properly, not that nutrient deficient new age diet (which is, if you think about it, bringing more business to the 'healers').

The human body should not get ill in the first place, illness is not normal even though the system has lied to us about it all since kids. Doctors can get over 1/4 million a year in a UK GP practice, you figure it out.

[eternal_spirit]

Lot's of fruit and vegetables raw foods. I think my immune sytem is in good health. I've not had a cold or flu for a few years, even spent time with people who have viruses who have past it on to other people and I've been fine.

Apples and citrus fruits strengthen gums and clean teeth also anything with vinegar which will alkalise the acid in the body these are a few things I swear by, I've done my own tests on myself and feel I've gotten a good result. I rarley touch alcohol these days. I have a theory when I used to drink alot it would lower my imunne systems defences and I would catch cold etc.

While other people I know who drink and eat meat seem to have more than one flu, cold or chest infection a year. I won't touch anything from the doctors, it's to be avoided at all costs. I wish other people would listen and understand the facts. It's mostly bad medicine.

[baron von lotsov]

Lot's of fruit and vegetables raw foods. I think my immune sytem is in good health. I've not had a cold or flu for a few years, even spent time with people who have viruses who have past it on to other people and I've been fine.

Apples and citrus fruits strengthen gums and clean teeth also anything with vinegar which will alkalise the acid in the body these are a few things I swear by, I've done my own tests on myself and feel I've gotten a good result. I rarley touch alcohol these days. I have a theory when I used to drink alot it would lower my imunne systems defences and I would catch cold etc.

While other people I know who drink and eat meat seem to have more than one flu, cold or chest infection a year.


Meat is full of nutrition. I get it from my local butchers and he knows his stuff. It's very high quality and all growth hormone and antibiotic free. Also it is from trusted sources of small time farmers that are known, not some faceless corporation but the shops know the farmers and its all a local trust thing.

Vegetarian diets are not generally good for you and vegan ones are even worse. I know there are arguments against meat but these problems have been caused on purpose, the system wants people to go vegetarian. If you don't believe me look at the shite they feed school kids. They call them 'healthy options' but their idea of what is healthy is a lie.

I'll give you and example of how they do it. They provide funding of about 50p per child's meal and meat is expensive. So they also outlaw any food containing meat that does not contain less than a certain percentage because often in cheap food the meat is padded out with vegetable ingredients. So it is legal to feed a kid 100% vegetable products but not a meat product with say 30% vegetables mixed in! Naturally they can't supply a rump steak for less than 50p, its out of the question.

Also one other thing, eat a piece of meat and see how full up you feel. Repeat with the same weight of vegetables and compare. Meat is thought to be one of the main reasons the human brain developed to the extent it did against what it would have been if we had historically been vegetarians. It's highly concentrated, that's why. Vegetarians and especially vegans are often like beanpoles and look unhealthy plus have little physical strength.

[tru3]

The way of the dark arts is the way of the weakling, the destroyer and the manipulator. Too lazy or weak to manifest their own majik they prey on the light and beauty of others, and use this stolen energy to conjure their majik. They are vampires that have destroyed their souls and their own vital force (chi) and so must take it from others. This is the dark path and is full of karmic interference as you suggest Baron, creating ripples that sooner or later engulf the practitioner in their own darkness.

The way of the true magician is by creating your own majik, manifesting through the knowledge of self the incredible power that lies within all those devine sparks or human souls if you will. This is the way of the creator (the way God in which ever way you see it intended) finding the power within and realising ones ability to manifest absolute grace and beauty, to guide others not by preaching or offering warnings to stray from this or that, but by being the beacon in their times of darkness lighting the way so they may know that they are the embodiment of love.

True majik comes from the core of our being and no person can take that away without our permission. So are we really so different afterall Baron....

beautifully written. Truth unfolds from within as illusion is sloughed off. don't meditate on a mandala, BE mt. meru! :)

[eternal_spirit]

Quote the baron..Also one other thing, eat a piece of meat and see how full up you feel. Repeat with the same weight of vegetables and compare. Meat is thought to be one of the main reasons the human brain developed to the extent it did against what it would have been if we had historically been vegetarians. It's highly concentrated, that's why. Vegetarians and especially vegans are often like beanpoles and look unhealthy plus have little physical strength

LOl beanpole. yes but you know alot of meat means bloated and constipated, that stuff can stay in you're sytem and clog up you're bowels for life and cause death, thickened arteries, high blood pressure a long list of nastiness.

Fruit and veg passes through the body and cleans out lot's of toxins, the good stuff the vitamins protein etc are absorbed and put to good use. To be thin and lean is a much healthier state for a human being.

I've seen plent of unhealthy looking meat eaters in my time fat and overweight, out of breath always complaining about bad guts. besides that peoples bodys can react differentley to the same foods, it's genetic as well.

Take the animal kigdom some of the fastest and biggest animals don't eat meat, its all just to vampiric for my liking. You're right about healthymeat and unhealthy meat baron.

I always end up saying this......karl Lewis the fastest olympic runner known to man was allegedley a vegan. or maybe he trained with the Klu Klux Klan bad joke lol.

I have heard the theory before that it's new age propaganda veggie veganism and that some of the Brahmans etc
secretley indulge in cannabilism vampirism but that is probably confused with the Satanic true vampires, this argument will always be to meat or not to meat???
It's obvious you prefer the meat diet so I'm not going to argue that's you're choice. pythagorus advocated vegetarianism clever chap.

[eternal_spirit]

problem with alot of magick rituals and trying to manifest things you desire to happen is you may think it was the magick working for you when something happened.........but it could be down to coincidence, random chaos and the law of averages. not the effcts of magick.

[eternal_spirit]

Btw baron how did you know I'm a beanpole? Do I know you haha.

[baron von lotsov]

Pythagoras is worshipped by the elite, especially the ones into the occult.

Also a vegetarian diet deficient in certain nutrients causes mental problems. In my town this organisation http://www.shekinashram.org/ was doing raw food diets and even the advocates of it were admitting to mental problems after about 3 weeks. Raw food is considered a joke in this town now.

[eternal_spirit]

Pythagoras is worshipped by the elite, especially the ones into the occult.

Also a vegetarian diet deficient in certain nutrients causes mental problems. In my town this organisation http://www.shekinashram.org/ was doing raw food diets and even the advocates of it were admitting to mental problems after about 3 weeks. Raw food is considered a joke in this town now.

okay I'll have a read of the link later.

[viginti tres]

beautifully written. Truth unfolds from within as illusion is sloughed off. don't meditate on a mandala, BE mt. meru! :)


Thank you.:D

[eternal_spirit]

Pythagoras is worshipped by the elite, especially the ones into the occult.

Also a vegetarian diet deficient in certain nutrients causes mental problems. In my town this organisation http://www.shekinashram.org/ was doing raw food diets and even the advocates of it were admitting to mental problems after about 3 weeks. Raw food is considered a joke in this town now.

Superfood Smoothie breakfast<< that's the only part of the whole site I believe would be any use to me. The rest is hocus pocus New Age Eastern false spiritual mysticism. Why on earth do the English think they need all this stuff??? Glastonbury what a joke it's become.

They wan't us to join in meditations to Krishna well leave me out of it, anyone else is free to join them. Folow them up the yellow brick road which I believe is being led up the garden path and out of the garden and into pyshcological mind prison of hell. This will not set you free but teaches you to follow rules and rituals written by men thousands of years ago, seems to be one of the longest running scams on Earth.

I've studied this literature before, it didn't teach me anything that I could apply to make my life better or to make the world a better place. To me True freedom and spirituality comes from being an individual with you're own way of doing things and using you're natural though processes (this is the path to enlightenment and the REAL YOU)....... this new age stuff manipulates and can pervert you're mind to what they want you to be which is not the REAL YOU!.

I'll be staying veggie for now, maybe one day I'll return to eating meat, I'm still undecided.

[terminus_est]

Thank-you for that Terminus, I just want to clarify, especially for you Baron that I partake in absolutely no rituals anymore. In the past when I was young and naive, I did partake in such rituals and I am behind you 100%, in that it is not the way to go. The only ritualistic behaviour I adhere to know is my personal meditation , Qi-gong and martial arts practice.

Again, you are very welcome, man. :) So in the past, what kinds of rituals did you participate in?

However for all that someone might gain by this help there is a negative side, which is often far worse. Someone close, like a loved one gets a serious illness, you crash your car because someone just by chance was pulling out. Random bits of bad luck that tend to get more frequent and require more assistance from these occult forces. It's a game of trickery that you are bound to loose unless you pull out altogether and renounce it all. Chuck away every occult charm, admit to your friends that it is dodgy and rid yourself of all occultist influence. After this point, maybe a year later having kept to it you should find you can be satisfied with what you have, you loose all the addiction to it and you actually find people are more attracted to you and good luck comes your way all by itself, especially if you genuinely need something.

That definitely makes sense to me. I have this one friend from college who used to somewhat dabble with this stuff when he was younger. He once experimented with using ordinary playing cards as a means of divining the future and shit started to go wrong with his life at that point. Then he did away with these practices and his life reverted back to normal.

BTW Baron, did you know that the symbols and imagery in playing cards originally had a Satanic meaning behind them?

[baron von lotsov]

Superfood Smoothie breakfast<< that's the only part of the whole site I believe would be any use to me. The rest is hocus pocus New Age Eastern false spiritual mysticism. Why on earth do the English think they need all this stuff??? Glastonbury what a joke it's become.

They wan't us to join in meditations to Krishna well leave me out of it, anyone else is free to join them. Folow them up the yellow brick road which I believe is being led up the garden path and out of the garden and into pyshcological mind prison of hell. This will not set you free but teaches you to follow rules and rituals written by men thousands of years ago, seems to be one of the longest running scams on Earth.

I've studied this literature before, it didn't teach me anything that I could apply to make my life better or to make the world a better place. To me True freedom and spirituality comes from being an individual with you're own way of doing things and using you're natural though processes (this is the path to enlightenment and the REAL YOU)....... this new age stuff manipulates and can pervert you're mind to what they want you to be which is not the REAL YOU!.

I'll be staying veggie for now, maybe one day I'll return to eating meat, I'm still undecided.

Yes, you have hit the nail directly on the head there. Good analysis of the place, especially since you are just getting a first impression of it. However I have some inside information, I know people who know people who have lived there. What it is essentially is that if say you are a travelling hippy looking for enlightenment you can take up residence in the place. This is where it gets interesting. As you point out it is brainwashing, but the professionalism of the brainwashers might surprise you. They are no amateur hippies, more like they have PhDs in the subject. They know exactly what they are doing and the rules in the place are as strict as a nazi prison camp. You are expected to work full time for them to earn your right to be there as well.

There is something very dodgy about it and yes of course it is run by the system, look at the cost of the place. No expense spared and we are supposed to think that the million or so it must have cost to build it and set it up has come from benefit gigs! Yes that's their official blag and they do do these events. Even the hippies know this place is dodgy as a nine bob note.

[viginti tres]

Again, you are very welcome, man. :) So in the past, what kinds of rituals did you participate in?


They were forms of group intent (meditation) mostly and when I began 'searching' I was under the guidance of persons who were involved with certain forms of what they deem 'white majick', they can be very .....persuasive.....yet when I started to research things on my own and pried them with questions, they soon revealed to me what lay hidden behind the masks. I would question some of the things they had 'channeled and would relay to them information that contradicted some of what they were saying.......and was met with a sycophant and 'all knowing' smile and then a lecture on this or that. They would always navigate the question I asked and would answer by telling me the way they 'know it'.

The group meditations would have someone, a guide that was in charge take us through the 'work' we were doing. In one of these rituals I was totally paralysed and my body started convulsing in a sporadic manner.....it was like my kundalini was being blocked and at the time this scarred the shit out of me.

I was involved with two seperate groups The lady who facilitates the second of these group meetings is very dark in nature, her intentions are a mystery to me and if only I had trusted my first impression of her as being cold and manipulative I could have avoided such an ordeal(oh well live and learn hey). Like I said before anyone who comes to me and tells me they have the truth of all things etc. etc. is only showing me how close minded and foolish they are, she is such a person.

I was also at this point caught up in a 'majickal war' between these 'white witches' and the 'black witches' of the town. I had many spells cast on me and to the tune of what Baron has been saying have had quite a few deaths in my vicinity as a result. Two of my friends killed themselves, one died of cancer (or really from that poisonous radiation), my grandmother died suddenly and un-expectantly, and this has all happened in the last few years. So whether or not htere is a connection between using majick for personal gain and random incidents in your life remains to be prooven.....but it does certainly get one thinking.

Funnily enough I had an etheric cloak that had been given to me by one of these ladies and I was unwillingly wearing this cloak for years which made me look and feel like a buffet of unprotected energy to all those energy vamps out there (who would later become girlfriends, now was that an experience or what phew) and this left me feeling suicidal and depressed for a long time.......

There is so much more I can relay, but I think you get the idea Terminus Est choose your own way....

B.T.W. I was reading some of my old White Dwarf mags (Warhammer) and I spotted the name Terminus Est......I've been collecting for years also, I just get lazy when it comes to painting.

[terminus_est]

:) Yet another classic post from you Mitch. Seriously, the conspiracy world could use more witnesses like you of what goes on in the realms of the occult and the supernatural.

About black and white magic, well I don't know if you have ever heard of this, but aren't those who are initiated to high levels in secret societies taught that there's absolutely no difference between black and white magic?

About that friend of yours who died of cancer, well that reminds me. Back at the old Forum, Baron once said that he has heard of this one guy who had a girlfriend who was a witch who under freak circumstances, died of cancer at the the tender young age of her early twenties.

BTW, about my username, well that has always been my username for a couple years already since before I got into this conspiracy/truth seeking stuff. I actually got it from a sword weapon from a video game, but I also found out that it's also the name of a sword from some fantasy novel that is unrelated to that game.

[viginti tres]

:) Yet another classic post from you Mitch. Seriously, the conspiracy world could use more witnesses like you of what goes on in the realms of the occult and the supernatural.

About black and white magic, well I don't know if you have ever heard of this, but aren't those who are initiated to high levels in secret societies taught that there's absolutely no difference between black and white magic?

About that friend of yours who died of cancer, well that reminds me. Back at the old Forum, Baron once said that he has heard of this one guy who had a girlfriend who was a witch who under freak circumstances, died of cancer at the the tender young age of her early twenties.

BTW, about my username, well that has always been my username for a couple years already since before I got into this conspiracy/truth seeking stuff. I actually got it from a sword weapon from a video game, but I also found out that it's also the name of a sword from some fantasy novel that is unrelated to that game.


Yeah I don't know about the whole 'white majick" and black being one and the same but it's something I'm looking into. It's funny you say that "the conspiracy world could need more witnesses" as this has been echoed by family and friends (well ex-friends now) for some time. Lately though I've been in a sort of limbo with things and have had many persons around me reveal their true nature.......bit of vampire overload ATM but I'm starting to calm down and get shit together. When I'm nicely balanced I'll release my book and start travelling, relaying my experiences to others on the way.....

Yeah Terminus Est was the name of a massive ship where I saw it. Quite the multi-faceted name you have there.

[baron von lotsov]

About black and white magic, well I don't know if you have ever heard of this, but aren't those who are initiated to high levels in secret societies taught that there's absolutely no difference between black and white magic?




This is absolutely true. Something like two different paths that arrive at the same destination. So if anyone claims they are OK because they only do white magic, please do your best to warn them so they are not mistaken by it in the slightest. Helping them can come back on you in a good way and never be scared of this occult, rise above it and only think for the best for other people. If you do this you will become impervious to any spells, but get involved with 'white' magic or indeed anything like that and it opens you to the control of others and demonic entities.

Demons can't exist in righteous, moral, and completely unselfish people. Think what they do when you first get to know these people. They say be open, tune in to the consciousness etc. this is simply to open up your mind so the demons can get in. Drugs and alcohol are two other methods and obviously group ritual type of stuff, however harmless it might appear. All holding hands in a circle is a favourite. Never do this!

[terminus_est]

It's funny you say that "the conspiracy world could need more witnesses" as this has been echoed by family and friends (well ex-friends now) for some time. Lately though I've been in a sort of limbo with things and have had many persons around me reveal their true nature.......bit of vampire overload ATM but I'm starting to calm down and get shit together.

Hmm, so your family is also awake to the reality of things in the world? And what sort of people have been revealing their true natures?

And Baron, I'm not sure if you've ever talked about this, but how do you think demons originated?

[john white]

Yeah Terminus Est was the name of a massive ship where I saw it. Quite the multi-faceted name you have there.

Flagship of Typhus, herald of Nurgle, if I recall arightly

(Did I ever mention that I'm a former 40K champion?)

[terminus_est]

Bump for Mitchell(Viginti).

Also Mitch, since you are a vegan, I'd like to hear what you say about what Baron & Co have said in their posts.

[viginti tres]

Flagship of Typhus, herald of Nurgle, if I recall arightly

(Did I ever mention that I'm a former 40K champion?)


Bullshit, get out of here.........what Great Britain champ?

....and yeah spot on with that, I was trying to search the old White Dwarfs for where I saw it but could'nt find it (or maybe it was the Chaos Codex, oh well now I know).

Have you ever entered any models into the Greater Daemon comp John? Don't tell me you have won the Sword as well?

[john white]

Bullshit, get out of here.........what Great Britain champ?

....and yeah spot on with that, I was trying to search the old White Dwarfs for where I saw it but could'nt find it (or maybe it was the Chaos Codex, oh well now I know).

Have you ever entered any models into the Greater Daemon comp John? Don't tell me you have won the Sword as well?

I've won no end of competitions, including the Midlands veterans tournament, though I've never placed better than 8th in the Grand Tourney (bloody Eldar!). Mind you that was out of 160, so I was happy with that

I can paint a mean figure, though I've never gone for painting cometitions: can't be doing with all these fine squiggly lines: I prefer terrain making to model painting. I made a 16ft long trench table for Eye of Terror with a 3ft high city wall with titan gate at one end... 50 quid of pink foam, a litre of pva, 3 tins of emulsion paint, some cardboard and some sand... played 10,000 pts a side on that... me and my mates usually play a massive game every christmas. I play a lot less than I used to (about once a month)...

And this year is my 25 year as a Fantasy Wargamer (started when I was ten)

Plus never challenge me to a game of Alpha Centuri unless your really really good...

Anyway, we all have hobbies ;)

(Look at Icke and his trains!)

[viginti tres]

Yeah look I don't care what other people think man, we are all entitled to our own opinions and lo the day when we are all forced to be the same ( how boring). I went vegan because all milk products and meat products were really making me sick, I would feel fatigued, low on energy and my skin looked horrible. Ever since going to a vegan lifestyle (no soy milk or products with soy as soy is poison IMO and many others opinion also) and making sure I'm getting all my nutrients I've felt fantastic, I've been going through a cleanse lately, mainly from too many bongs and smoking which I have also given up (going to wait 1 year than I might spark a scoob....maybe) but also from processed food and the animal products I was consuming.

This is not to say that I don't agree with people eating meat, some people need it and others don't, it all depends on your blood group and body type IMO. I just couldn't eat any more so I had to stop and if I ever feel that it was the wrong thing to do, by listening to my body than I will go back to consuming fish at the very least. What the body wants is what the body needs, so I am by no means advocating a vegan lifestyle to all people as this could be dangerous to certain persons as our differing body types demand different nutrition.

The main thing to take into account is the fact that our body has nutritional and energetic (less stress, hate and anger, more love, compassion, forgiveness) needs and if you don't meet those needs whether vegan/meat-eater or vegetarian or meatatarian for that matter, than you will suffer the effects of one illness or another........yet there is one factor of health that is so commonly overlooked it is scary and that’s hydration, most people aren’t sick they are thirsty.

So I hope this clears things up for you Terminus.

[viginti tres]

I've won no end of competitions, including the Midlands veterans tournament, though I've never placed better than 8th in the Grand Tourney (bloody Eldar!). Mind you that was out of 160, so I was happy with that

I can paint a mean figure, though I've never gone for painting cometitions: can't be doing with all these fine squiggly lines: I prefer terrain making to model painting. I made a 16ft long trench table for Eye of Terror with a 3ft high city wall with titan gate at one end... 50 quid of pink foam, a litre of pva, 3 tins of emulsion paint, some cardboard and some sand... played 10,000 pts a side on that... me and my mates usually play a massive game every christmas. I play a lot less than I used to (about once a month)...

And this year is my 25 year as a Fantasy Wargamer (started when I was ten)

Plus never challenge me to a game of Alpha Centuri unless your really really good...

Anyway, we all have hobbies ;)

(Look at Icke and his trains!)

So you took part in the campaign, how did you go?

10,000 points phew, that would have taken all day, it's good fun though, the bigger the battle the more interesting the tactics.

I've always loved a good battle, keeps the mind sharp and the painting helps with my creative side.

I've loved 40K ever since I saw my first White Dwarf. The models just keep getting better and better but like yourself I've always enjoyed making scenery also (going to start work on a special project soon, battlescene at the site of a summoning, gonna be a lot of fun). It's just a shame that the models are getting so dear, but at least it gives me a good incentive to save.

Let me guess you play as chaos, if I'd have to guess I'd say Thousand Sons?

[john white]

Undivided all the way. Plus Marines, Guard, Sisters, Tau, Necrons etc etc...

Anyway enough game talk: wouldnt want to be suspected of hijacking a topic with a bit of gossip! :)

[viginti tres]

Undivided all the way. Plus Marines, Guard, Sisters, Tau, Necrons etc etc...

Anyway enough game talk: wouldnt want to be suspected of hijacking a topic with a bit of gossip! :)

Ohhh I was way off lol.

Dark Angels, Iron Warriors and Orks!!!

Hijack the thread, whatever do you mean.......oh right, um I like unicorns......

[terminus_est]

Ok Mitchell thanks for clearing me up on that. But that was not a matter of Baron's opinion, but a matter of him bringing up what he swears are (and what I thought could possibly be) strong facts about veganism, like that it's bad for you in general and that the Elite are promoting it and such.

Though again thanks for clearing that up and it's good to know that you are going quite well with your diet.:)