Where Did We Come From

[llogun]

Before we came to this earth, where were we, where did we come from? Would you have come here to the earth, if you had known about the reps. Did we know about the reps but were hoodwinked before we came. Ive read loads of books on reincarnation. Why would you want to come back here when its just a prison without bars. When you think how big this universe is along with the other dimensions i would only want to come back when they the reps have gone. What do you think?

[rossus]

reincarnation is not a proven theory.

i don't know myself how we came to be what we are now.
i think the reason that you and me are here,
in this body... in this mind...

is primarily because our moms and dads had sex.
i don't think we had any choice.

he impregnated her, she gave birth to us. that's it.
when animals or flies have sex, the same happens.
when flowers have sex, the same happens.

that's the way it goes for physical lifeforms on earth.



but before you ask where did we come from, you must be sure that you know who we are.
so who am I really?

who are you? are you this mind? are you this body?
or is this just a belief? if it is, should it be trusted?
what remains when you drop this belief?

[mada88]

We are here we are there we are everywhere.

[turquoisefyre]

i thought i'd present another perspective:

http://home.tiscali.nl/gibbon/andy.htm


Relationship between the Annunaki and the Spiritual Realm

> First of all, I want to say that a some of the answers to your questions are simply answered straight out in the book "The Lost Book of Enki" (along with all the books in the Earth Chronicles series) by Zecharia Sitchin. Dimensional and Spiritual answers are usually never "straight out" (like I used above) and require an amount of theory in their explanation. However I recommend the book "The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life" by Drunvalo Melchizedek, especially Vol. 1. Just reading the two books, "Lost Book of Enki" and "Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life" will answer many of your questions and open new explanations for others. I copied your original questions from your web site and gave some of my personal answers below them to give you an idea of what information is in these two books. I strongly recommend these books, especially after seeing how broad your interest is from looking at your web site.



If I suppose that there is some truth in the theory proposed by our great friends, the Sumerians, some 6,000 years ago, that we were actually created by a race of beings called the Annunaki some 300,000 years ago who stem from a planet called 'Nibiru', there are a few things which are vague to me:

01) I believe that every human being has a soul which continues to exist after the physical body has died. Creating a body is one thing, but where did all the souls come from to inhabit these creations by the Annunaki?

> One aspect about this I got from reading Drunvalo Melchizedek's "The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life" is that as the human body is produced by conception and so is spirit. Kind of like a love making in an other dimension creates or produces spirit/soul or entity in that dimension. So once spirit is born and evolves it gets to a point where it inters a void. Here is an excerpt from "The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life": "The dying process where you go into the void state immediately after death. You're unconscious, unaware of the dying process to the degree that you have no control over the images. This way of dying takes you into the third overtone of the fourth dimension, which results in your cycling back into this Earth existence again and again--reincarnation." So I tend to think that spirit can be born and at sometime it enters the void and then gets thrown into a dimension (depending on which void it is in.) So I guess you could think of it as a void, a place where spirit is unconsciously waiting to enter the next step. So in this view, the void is where soul or spirit is waiting for the right moment to inhabit the creations by the Annunaki and others.


02) Do the Annunaki themselves believe in (or perhaps even worship) some kind of God?
> In the book "The Lost Book of Enki" by Zecharia Sitchin, (an autobiographical account from Enki himself) there is mention of a "Creator of All" (sometimes called the "Father of All") which Sitchin translates as: The universal, cosmic God. I remember from reading the book that this "Creator of All" was usually brought up in conversation among the Annunaki during those "meetings" they had when they would discuss how to handle the important issues that were occurring. They also tied the "Creator of All" with destiny and fate. Such as with their creation of earth humans, the Annunaki would argue wither it is Destiny or Fate that such humans should be created. Saying that Destiny cannot be altered and that "to obtain gold was their purpose, to replace the "Father of All" was not." Eventually after the Deluge, Enki convinces Enlil that creating and saving the humans (Ziusudra's ark) was destined by the Creator of All (see the Tenth Tablet i/e chapter.) So I believe the Annunaki very much did believe in God, the Creator of All, the Destined path of all, etc.. though I'm not sure if there is any mention of how they worship God or if they go to church or whatever. I think they probably worshiped in their every day lives, and connected with God from within themselves, leaving no real need for a church or place of worship in that sense.

03) Some say the Annunaki are 4th Dimensional. How could they have walked around the earth, although looking big, like a 3-dimensional human being?

> That is a very interesting question. From the info I have gathered from "The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life" we, humans on Earth right now, are for the most part locked in the third dimension, so even the concept of other dimensions is hard to grasp. Drunvalo shows relation to the level of consciousness by the size of the third dimensional body. The bigger or taller the body the more higher consciousness that being is. Like when you see statues in Egypt of huge Gods with very small (compared to their size) humans standing next to them (even though the small humans standing there are our size.) Drunvalo says these were their actual size, as true life sized statues. Perhaps since they are bigger/taller and have mastered their "light bodies" more than we have, they are able to be in the third or forth dimension as they wish. Drunvalo, also goes into depth about how the Egyptians would spend their life's learning how to go to the fourth dimension and then back to the third so they could tell others of their experience. So not only were beings such as the Annunaki manifesting in our third dimension, but the Egyptians were in our third dimension yet could go to the fourth and back.


04) If the Annunaki are 4th Dimensional. How can they live on a planet that is supposed to be a part of our solar system (and 3rd Dimensional)?

> Along with the previous question, this one is similar and my previous answer works well for this one too. Also think of the Sirians from the planet Sirius-B. In the chapter: The Sirian Role, Drunvalo says that the Nefilim were primarily third-dimensional and the Sirians were primarily fourth-dimensional. I don't think it matters which planet a being is on, I think that the body is only a capsule based on sacred geometry that conforms to the surroundings of the environment (and only if the being needs a physical body for the dimension it is in at that time.) Much more can be found in "The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life".


05) Do they have a reincarnation cycle themselves?

> From reading Drunvalo Melchizedek's "The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life", apparently everything does until it experiences what it needs to be able move on to the next level.


06) What is their average life span?

>In Drunvalo Melchizedek's "The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life", Drunvalo says "they're not immortal, but their lifetime is about 360,000 Earth years, according to the Sumerian records." He probably got this information from Sitchin's books.



More questions regarding the Annunaki and their role on Earth

07) If they were as advanced to hop from their planet (perhaps via the moon or Mars) to Earth, why did they dug in the gold mines in Africa for over 100,000 years? Couldn't they have developed something more advanced?

> Here is an excerpt from the book "The Lost Book of Enki" by Zecharia Sitchin, pg. 31 (The First Tablet) regarding Nibiru's breaching atmosphere: "In the councils of the learned, cures were avidly debated; ways to bandage the wound were urgently considered. A new shield to embrace the planet was attempted; all that was thrust up back to the ground came down." Using gold was not their first idea, somehow they wanted to make the volcanoes belch but couldn't figure out how to achieve that, so (another excerpt): "In the councils of the learned, to heal the breach there were two suggestions: One was to use metal, gold was its name. On Nibiru it was greatly rare; within the Hammered Bracelet (our asteroid belt) it was abundant. It was the only substance that to the finest powder could be ground; lofted high to heaven, suspended it could remain." (Using weapons of destruction on the volcanoes was the other idea.) Once they came to Earth, they found mineral deposits that contained gold in little balls on the ocean floor. Though it wasn't enough, they needed a larger supply. After using a "the beam that penetrates downward" they found that gold was more abundant in Africa however it was commixed with soil and rocks and had to be separated. This worked better but was a slow and tough process. Then came the creation of "primitive worker humans" to do all the hard labor which was a very advanced step they took, something we can't do yet even today. So actually they did develop something more advanced for digging in the mines, humans! What could be more advanced than creating another being on another planet (or advancing the evolution of a being on another planet)? Then after the Deluge, (another Excerpt from the Tenth Tablet): "The avalanche of waters deep cuts into the mountainsides there tore, From the mountainsides uncounted gold, in nuggets large and small, To the rivers below fell down, without mining can the gold hauled... Gold, pure gold, refining and smelting not requiring, all about was lying." So now they could get the pure gold to Nibiru more quickly and in more abundants.


08) If the Annunaki made us some 300,000 years ago, why are the Sumerian tablets the only ones we have? They must have contacted us more often, than only once? (some 3,800 years B.C.)

> In Drunvalo Melchizedek's "The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life", He tells of information told to him by Thoth which tells of a Hall of Records under the Sphinx, that in a room, sitting on raised shelves, is physical evidence of the existence of civilization on this planet for the last five and a half million years. And from reading Vol. 2 of the Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life, it seems that it has already been discovered. Just will be some time before the knowledge is known to the public. As far as recent information goes, It would be hard to authenticate what would be considered as a true text. The Sumerian tablets we have now, we know are authentic because of their origin and age and surely there are many very important texts and things that have been destroyed over the years that do answer all our questions, some have been mentioned on other ancient books for the others we'll probably never know.


09) If the rotation period of Nibiru is 3600 years, why didn't they show up around the year 0? (Was it because Jesus Christ was around?)

> After the Deluge when the Annunaki decided that the earth belongs to the earthlings and they decide to teach them knowledge. Enki and Enlil's father, Anu comes to visit. And to commemorate this new visit, "a new count of time passage was introduced: By Earth years, not by Nibiru Shars (3600 year cycle), was what on Earth transpired to be counted. In the Age of the Bull, to Enlil dedicated, was the count of Earth years begun." (from the Twelfth Tablet of "The Lost Book of Enki.") I know that still doesn't answer your question but by reading other books in the Earth Chronicles series, Sitchin gives you actual dates and time frames on these things. Another aspect to look at is, why not start earth year time at the formation of the earth or maybe when the first human was created or the first living on the planet started to be (after doesn't something have to be there for time to even matter to it?)... There are many calendars that have been used throughout time by different cultures and religions. If you want more hard proof of dates and yearly numbers, read the 12th planet and other books in the series, the answers are there!


10) Did they play a role in Atlantis or Lemuria?

> In Drunvalo Melchizedek's "The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life", Thoth said the descendants of Adam and Eve (which were originally created by the Annunaki) were brought to Lemuria after it rose up in the Pacific, though I'm not sure who brought them (I suspect it had something to do with the Sirians.) However Thoth told Drunvalo that they were allowed to develop on their own without the Nefilim interfering. Over time these inhabitants of Lemuria became very psychic and some found a way to become immortal (more info in chapter 3.) When Lemuria sank, these immortal beings then went to Atlantis.


11) Did they solve their gold problems on Nibiru, or do they still lack gold for their atmosphere?

> Not too sure about this one, though I do remember Drunvalo mentioning that archaeologists have dated humans in the ancient mines as early as 20,000 years ago. Perhaps that was when the mining stopped?


12) According to Sitchen One of Nibiru's moons crashed into a great planet called Tiamat thereby creating Earth some 4 billion (4,000,000,000)years ago. Beings on Nibiru couldn't have survived such a crash. Why did the beings on Nibiru evolve in such a relatively quick fashion compared to humanity?
> Sitchin translates the Epic of Creation in many of his books, I cant recall from memory what happened to the Nibiruians on the planet while the great collision occurred but for them to be able to have this knowledge and pass it down to human generations, they obviously must have survived it. To escape the Earth Deluge, they orbited the Earth in their "chariots" though. I'm quite sure that you can find a better answer by reading his books though, its in there somewhere. Something else that kind of goes along with is made very clear in "The Lost Book of Enki", The Annunaki were defiantly effected by earth's quick orbit around the sun. There are very clear encounters where the original Annunaki who stayed on Earth the longest would be visited by those who stayed on Nirbiru and comments would be made as to how old they looked. Such as Enlil appeared older than his father Anu. They shortened their lives to be here on Earth.



13) If Nibiru enters our solar system every 3600 years why aren't there far more accidents known? Or did Nibiru's orbit turn less devastating after the grand collision?

> After the planet Earth settled in its orbit, collisions didn't occur any more, just gravitational pulls from Nibiru, such as the one that caused the ice shelf to slip and caused the Deluge. This could very well happen again, only time will tell and each time Nibiru comes by it will surely cause things to happen. You can find many illustrations of the orbital flight paths of the planets in the books I'm mentioning (except for the Lost Book of Enki, no pictures in that one.)

About Continents and Races

14) If you believe that people were created by the Annunaki. How can you explain the differences between the races? Were there Chinese-looking Annunaki, or African looking Annunaki or perhaps whitish looking ones? Perhaps there were other beings involved as well?

> One thing about this I found interesting is the Annunaki's ability to simply change humans features, such as with Kain (in the Kain and Able story.) For the killing of his brother Able, Kain's life was spared but "his generations shall be distinguished." So "Eastward to a land of wandering Kain must depart." "And that his face a beard should not grow, Kain's life essence (the Annunaki named) Ningishzidda changed." So now we have beardless humans in the land of wandering in the East. Also many believe that the dark skin Africans were the original "primitive workers" that the Annunaki created before the "Civilized Earthlings" came to be. Due to their hardships in and environment, their skin and body build may be the way it is. I think much of the race is caused by where on the planet they are evolving. There are probably many many different explanations for this subject but for specific info with Annunaki heritage, I recommend (if you haven't already) read all the book of Sitchin's Earth Chronicles and "The Lost Book of Enki." For info about Annunaki and other beings like Sirians etc's effect on humans heritage, check out Drunvalo Melchizedek's "The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life"


15) When did Lemuria arise and sink? When did Atlantis arise and sink?

> In Drunvalo Melchizedek's "The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life", Drunvalo says according to Thoth, the sinking of Lemuria and the rising of Atlantis occurred at the same time. It seems from reading the book that Adam's race was on Lemuria for 65-70,000 years until it sank and Atlantis rose. I'm not sure how long Atlantis stood before it sank during the Great Flood (12,500 years ago.) Though the answer has to be out there somewhere.


16) What kind of people lived on Lemuria and Atlantis? Why did it end the way it did?

> As I mentioned earlier Adam's race was on Lemuria for 65-70,000 years and these people became very psychic. They prepared and resettled from Lake Titicaca through Central America and Mexico. However the more psychic "Immortal beings" (mentioned above) went from Lemuria to the newly risen continent of Atlantis. I suggest reading Chapter four of "The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life" to find out about new "visitors" to Atlantis what happened afterwards. (It's to much info to get into right here.)



General questions


17) What can be said about dementia from a spiritual perspective?

> All I can say here is to read Drunvalo Melchizedek's "The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life", He breaks spiritual perspective down into many different explanations from geometry to music etc to explain this. It is extremely interesting.


18) What can be discovered about the use of nuclear energy before the 20th century? (see nuclear for more info)

> Sitchin's books (especially The Wars of Gods and Men" and the end of 12th Planet) goes into great detail about nuclear events in ancient times and he ties them together with archeological evidence as well.



I hope that my answers are helpful.



Andy

[rossus]

looks like that man's got it all figured out very well.
i wonder how much his sources for information are to be trusted though.

[avatar]

i wonder how much his sources for information are to be trusted though.

Drunvalo Melchizedek is a Great White Brotherhood recruiter. Deceptive piece of shit.

[turquoisefyre]

Drunvalo Melchizedek is a Great White Brotherhood recruiter. Deceptive piece of shit.

hmmm....interesting. thats why i'm never scared to share my sources...always seem to learn something new. but, yet, is this info how correct??

[i am all i am]

Drunvalo Melchizedek is a Great White Brotherhood recruiter. Deceptive piece of shit.

Melchisedek

The identity of the being known as Melchisedek, has been the subject of speculation over the years. Some have postulated a Messianic identity for Melchisedek, others have identified him with the patriarchs. To isolate his probable identity, we have to examine the relevant texts and the historical framework within which he lived......

.....The post flood epoch saw the world as one speech and under one priesthood. The Judaic view was that this priesthood was centred on Salem under Melchisedek. The identity of Melchisedek has been an enigma. Melchisedek according to the Midrash was identified with Shem.....

.....Melchisedek was priest of the Most High God.....

.....Psalm 110:1-7 1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool......4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.....

.....[Ps. 82:2], its interpretation concerns Satan and the spirits of his lot [who] rebelled by turning away from the precepts of God to...And Melkizedek will avenge the vengeance of the judgments of God...and he will drag [them from the hand of] Satan and from the hand of all the sp his [lot]. And all the ‘gods [of Justice’] will come to his aid [to] attend to the de[struction] of Satan....

.....The priesthood of Melchisedek is part of a promise of God.

Hebrews 6:17-20 17 So when God desired to show more convincingly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeable character of his purpose, he interposed with an oath, 18 so that through two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible that God should prove false, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to seize the hope set before us. 19 We have this as a sure and steadfast anchor of the soul, a hope that enters into the inner shrine behind the curtain, 20 where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest for ever after the order of Melchiz'edek. (RSV).....

.....Messiah here became a priest forever, after the order of Melchisedek. He is not identified as that priest. He is a High Priest forever after the order. Thus Melchisedek established an order.....

.....Hebrews 7 shows the relationship of Melchisedek to the priesthood.

Hebrews 7:1-28 1 For this Melchiz'edek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him; 2 and to him Abraham apportioned a tenth part of everything. He is first, by translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then he is also king of Salem, that is, king of peace. (RSV).....

.....The conclusion that Messiah is Melchisedek, is not a generally held view of the Church of God over two thousand years. It has been held by some groups and some Judaic sects. It appears that Messiah was not Melchisedek, but that the advancement of eternal life to Melchisedek through his office in the Holy Spirit, has been misunderstood. The fact of the matter is not essential to the faith, nor is it a point of doctrine that is essential to fellowship. The allocation of the role to Messiah, probably weakens the argument of the extension of the priesthood to the elect as elohim, rather than strengthening the matter. The contention certainly rests on a narrow construction of one verse.

http://www.logon.org/english/s/p128.html

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.....I was interested in the fact that my investigations kept leading to a strange character by the name of Drunvalo Melchizedek. On 1999-05-01 he apparently gave a talk at Mount Shasta in California entitled "Mother Earth - The New Consciousness and Sacred Water". It seems he had been invited to speak as part of the Wesak celebration organised by a guy called Dr. Joshua David Stone, author of such books as "Golden Keys to Ascension & Healing: Co-Creating with Sai Baba and the Ascended Masters", and one of the big hitters in what is referred to as "The Ascension Movement"......

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The accompanying chart shows graphically the three Ages mentioned in this article:

(1) [I]The First Age, when each human being was a complete creative unit, male-female, double sexed, and ruled by one Hierarch, Melchisedec, who filled dual office as King and Priest.

(2)The Second Age,when th division of the raceinto men and women, and the division of the rulership into the State and Church caused war and strife.

The State espouses the cause of Fatherhood and Man and upholds the male ideal of Arts, Crafts and Industry, embodied in Hiram Abiff.

The Church espouses the cause of Motherhood and Woman and holds aloft the female ideal of love, and hearth and home embodied in the Madonna and her child.

It is the conflicting interests of the man and the woman, the home and the shop, the Church and the State, which cause the economic struggle, the war and the strife with which mankind is cursed and which make all long and pray for the reign of peace.

(3) The Third Age, when a divine Christ, who, like Melchisedec, shall fill the dual office of King and priest, and shall rule over a purged and glorified humanity, which has risen from sex-love to soul-love.


This image and description is from "Part V The Mystery of Melchasedec" of the above mentioned book. Notice the all-seeing eye in the middle of the chart. Also notice the name Melchisedec.

Could there be a connection to Drunvalo Melchisedec ???

Is he the Christ figure that is to become the masonic King and priest ???



With LOVE. http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif

[tru3]

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Could there be a connection to Drunvalo Melchisedec ???

Is he the Christ figure that is to become the masonic King and priest ???



With LOVE. http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif

in the book "everything in this book is wrong, but that's exactly how it is" by bob frissell, the author claims drunvalo is a "walk in". drunvalo himself confirms it, but he himself doesn't advertise it either.

btw, av, i too would like to know on what you base this assesment? yes, i've read most of icke's take on the gwb, so if you have something new to share, i'm all ears.

i've posted this before and i'll post it again: imho, drunvalo's intention is sincere. i say this because of his insistence on people doing their own emotional healing work before they ever attempt to work with their 'lightbodies'.

the hacks and control freaks like crowley and his ilk don't touch emotional energy with a 10 metre pole. to me, this is where the rubber meets the road, and you begin to practise discernment, rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater, as human beings are wont to do. ;)

aren't there always circles within circles in this house of mirrors?

[cheeb]

Yeah, I was going to post about Melchezedek

I come across a group of extreme charismatic christians a while back who referred to themselves as the order of Melchezedek

They beleive M'dek is the person who appears in the old & new testament as a living person

as a preist of the most high (to Abram & Jesus)

A Metatron
The voice of god

e.g. not the president but the presidential spokesperson

I found him in genesis 14-18 but cant find him in the scriptures.

These people are dodgy
Anyone using this name is suspect

They pick an obscure name from the bible to make it look like they know they have authority

Bait i call it

Then they try to reel you in .

They have other bait,buzz words if you will;e.g.

Nephalim
Annuki
Eloihim
morningstar
etc...............

These people are CHARLATANS
don't be hooked by their nonsense.

or be caught ,it's up to you!

But at least know you are being reeled in

Hook, Line & Sinker

[i am all i am]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=melchisedek&search=Search

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CojKfel24sA

Rabbi Simcha Pearlmutter talks about Yeshua his Messiah 1/9
08:56
of the greatest High Priest that ministered in the order of Melchisedek, leads to a Torah observant lifestyle....Sacred name Salvation Sanhedrin Sermon Shavuot Summary:
Rabbi Simcha Pearlmutter talks about Yeshua his Messiah, the Torah, the Hebrew faith, being a Jew, why he is not a Christian, the land of Israel, etc. He shows a few samples from the Jewish writings where the name Yeshua appears. In recent times many of these references have been hidden from the average Jew. He also reveals that there is a small remnant inside Judaism that knows Yeshua ben Yoseph - the suffering servant, who will return to rule as king to Jerusalem - Yeshua ben David. The prophets have prophesized that before the return of the Messiah the Jewish nation will be gathered back to the Promised Land - Israel.

Conclusion:
The Jewish Messiah known to a few Jews as Yeshua is definitely a different Messiah compared to the Hellenistic anti-semitic Jesus Christ that the Church proclaims. Yeshua is a Torah observant Jew observing the Shabbat (sabbath) and commandments of Moses, teaching that those who teach against Torah are lawless (without law) and not His followers.

The solution:
Read the scriptures in their Hebraic context. Learn about the one covenant the Almighty made with one People and the sign of the covenant - the keeping of the Shabbat. Investigate why faith in the accomplished work of the greatest High Priest that ministered in the order of Melchisedek, leads to a Torah observant lifestyle.


Melchisedek - an appraisal
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ORDER OF MELCHISEDEK
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Who is Melchizedek?

What is the Order of Melchizedek ?

Melchizedek

Melchizedek is The Holy Spirit, a part of the Trinity of God. Melchizedek, as the leader of the Order of Melchizedek, works with Angels who are in service to the Earth. In part, these Angels serve the Earth and the Divine Plan by incarnating and working as spiritual teachers and leaders. The Order of Melchizedek was established as a platform to plan, organize, and administer aid in spiritual growth and evolution. Its members help to hold the Light and spiritual teachings open for all angels incarnating on Earth, which is to say all people. The Order of Melchizedek predates the Earth, as it was established before its creation and put in place for the advent of people's needs.
The Holy Spirit incarnated on Earth as Melchizedek almost 4000 years ago, descending as a spiritual being and ascending again at the end of that lifetime. The Holy Spirit incarnated in male form as Melchizedek and is therefore traditionally refered to in a masculine way. The Holy Spirit is the Divine Feminine aspect of God the Trinity. Melchizedek is in truest form feminine behind the façade of humanness. At Melchizedek's request we will continue to use masculine pronouns for "Him" in this handbook to honor the 4000 year tradition, even while recognising and honoring the Holy Spirit and Divine Feminine behind the name "Melchizedek".

Melchizedek Throughout History

In the Bible, Melchizedek is called the "King of Righteousness" and "The King of Salem", the ancient name for Jerusalem. In Genesis He is referred to as "Priest of the most High God". Dionysius calls Him "the hierarchy most beloved of God". Tertullian says that Melchizedek is a "celestial virtue of great grace who does for heavenly angels and virtues what Christ does for man". In certain esoteric groups Melchizedek is identified with the Holy Spirit. In the Book of Mormon He is referred to as "the Prince of Peace". Some churchmen believed Him the Son of God in human form, and some Jews saw Him as the Messiah. His name translates to "King of Rightness" in Hebrew.

The Melchizedek Priesthood on the Earth

The Order of Melchizedek has maintained a body of priests upon the Earth continuously for over 4000 years. It is the longest running priesthood on the Earth. For the first two thousand years almost all of the Priests in the Order of Melchizedek were Jewish. With the advent of Christ's incarnation as Jesus, when Jesus was established as the "High Priest forever" in the Order of Melchizedek, came a tradition that virtually all Christian sects follow. Almost every priest and minister in the Christian tradition is ordained into the Order of Melchizedek. There is a Biblical quote that helped to establish that: Hebrews 6: 19-20: "We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the veil, where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the Order of Melchizedek."
This quote voices the role and significance of the Order of Melchizedek. It also shows that Christ has already established a path and created a template for spiritual evolution, transformation, and ascension by the example of His own ascension and through His teachings. When we say His teachings we include all of the teachings of Christ in all of His incarnations, which encompass most world religions.

Today many interfaith and non-denominational ministers are ordained into the Order of Melchizedek. There has been a resurgence of interest in the Order of Melchizedek over the last few decades. Today, with the spiritual awakening of humankind, the preparation for the Return of Chirst, and the opportunity of ascension, more people than ever are being called to be ordained into the Order of Melchizedek. Melchizedek has awakened many people to the divine service they agreed to do before incarnating in this lifetime.

Biblical Quotes about Melchizedek

Genesis 14: 18-20
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; for he was priest of God Most High.
Psalm 110:4
The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind: "You are a priest forever, in the Order of Melchizedek."
Hebrews 7: 1-3
For Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God...first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also king of Salem, which is King of peace; without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life, but made like unto the Son of God, abideth a priest continually.
Hebrews 5: 7-10
So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek." and [He] was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.
Hebrews 5: 19-20
"We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the veil, where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the Order of Melchizedek.
Hebrews 7: 1
This Melchizedek was king of Salem [Jerusalem] and priest of God Most High.
Hebrews 7: 22- 25
But this with an oath, by him that said unto him: The Lord hath sworn and he will not repent: Thou art a priest forever [in the Order of Melchizedek]. By so much is Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

The Ancient Symbol of Melchizedek

The ancient symbol for Melchizedek is the chalice and a loaf of bread. This is based on Genesis 14: 18-20: "And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was priest of God Most High."

Melchizedek established the concept of creating a communion between God and humankind through ingesting bread and wine that has been instilled with God's Divine Energies.
The following is a statement from our Prayer Service that is said before communion.

"We now celebrate and affirm our communion with God through the sharing of bread and wine, as Melchizedek taught almost 4000 years ago. Melchizedek, Priest of God Most High, was the first one to present the concept of symbolizing a communion between God and humankind using bread and wine, and as priests in the Order of Melchizedek we carry on His tradition and His work."

What if you are a Priest, Minister, or Rabbi?

All priests, ministers, and rabbis can be ordained under World Light Fellowship into the Order of Melchizedek and keep their current position and title. There is no conflict in being ordained into the Order of Melchizedek and being ordained into another order of service in any religion or faith at the same time.

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.....Drunvalo Melchizedek had just come from a meeting with FBI, CIA, military officials, and top corporation scientists in Washington where they demonstrated this water in action. It cleared away the most disgusting pollution in glass containers (sewage, oil, chemicals) very quickly with only a teaspoon of the water......

http://www.nationalwatercenter.org/dru_mother.htm



MMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....plenty of connections with the name Melchisedek !!!

Judaism, christianity, mormans, freemasonry, FBI, CIA, the military, reiki.....



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[midwich cuckoo]

I'd never heard of MelCheeseDick before.

Interesting to note that 'CheeseDick' is Gaelic for Gibson. :p

Sorry, as soon as any bible shit is talked about my bullshit detector starts making strange bleeping sounds.

At the moment I'm not even sure any of us exist, absinthe seems to have that effect on me. :D

[tru3]

look, you guys, i do understand where you're coming from on this.

my take on the name game is simply this: we have energy bodies. right now, most people's energy bodies are for the most part dormant. very shortly, imo, they will begin activate due to the arrival of the photon belt.

most people are probably going to freak out about it, because have always taken someone else's word and doubted their own reality.

what other possible reason could there be for the continued increase of suppressive agents in our world other than the fact that Consciousness itself continues to unfold at an ever increasing, nearly exponential, rate?

stay away from everyone you're not comfortable with and listen to your own small still voice, by all means. and at the same time, now is the time to clean up all our unfinished business.

at least, i'm planning to travel with a carry-on only. :)

[cheeb]

Proof
Proof
Proof

Would this post stand up in a court of law

Or would it come down to "Objection overruled"

M'dek has historical references in an ancient text

The photon belt is a flight of fancy that apparently comes round every 3600 years
That it would appear in your lifetime of 70 odd years is very unlikeley ,though not impossible

Dont pack your bags just yet

it could be a very long wait

at the improbable "bus stop"

[i am all i am]

Hebrews 6:20
Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an a high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 7:1-3
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, apriest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

To whom also Abraham gave a atenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of brighteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/heb/6
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/heb/7

Who is under God's (Yahweh's) rule?

Anyone who wasn't a Jew was a Gentile and Jews were the chosen people of God. Gentiles were accepted by Jesus, and therefore by Yahweh for those who believed in what Jesus taught and said of Yahweh. pure. Any Gentile or Jew would be under this god's rule. All people came from the same place originally, and therefore would make all people a Gentile or a Jew in some way, therefore a person could look beyond the act of labeling and see that this was a god over all people. This same god is represented in many different ways amongst other religions that sprouted out from what’s known as paganism today, and was around at the earliest recorded history. Therefore, it is possible to say that all groups historically had the same god and by this, also the same creator. The name of this supposed god/creator became mixed up with a god named Yahweh eventually, however neither one is actually God.

So where did the name Yahweh come from for God and why is he above the rest?

Originally, many different groups worshiped many different gods, typically with idols setup to worship. Yahweh, as far as I've been able to find with the furthest history I've found predating Greek times, started out with the Sumerian priest Abram (Later Abraham) fled the sacking of his town by the Jewish (Hebrew/Israelite) Tribe of Levi and settled among the other eleven Jewish tribes living peacefully in Canaan around 1960 BCE, he brought the Sumerian worship of Baal and Asherah to the Jews (Hebrews/Israelites) that lived there. Abram had been a student of a man named Machiventa Melchizedek who brought teachings of a single god. Abram was Sumerian though, and the Sumerians worshiped multiple gods and made sacrifices to them. He was originally only halfhearted in recieving what Melchizedek had to teach about one god and prophecies of the so-called Jesus. Eventually though, Abram made an agreement with Melchizedek......

http://www.angelfire.com/ct/smartdolphin/Research/combo.htm



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[awakensong]

As to the original question of this thread, I think I've asked this question before. If not on this forum, then "somewhere".

When "The Lost Book of Enki" was first translated and published, I bought and read it a couple of times. This may or may not be a literal and 'actual' story, but even if we could say it is, to me the original question is, where and who or what were we before we incarnated here? Instead of getting my answer from a book written by someone else, several years ago I found it myself through meditations, astral travel, psychic knowledge, connecting the dots, following the trail of breadcrumbs through my past history, etc.

My own personal findings are that we have come from many different worlds/galaxies/solar systems. Some of us are from further away than others. I have traced my own origins back to the pre-invasion era (by the Dracos) of Rigel Orion, from which I was abducted by force. I did not choose this, but am here because I, like many others whom I've met and talked with, have been programmed, corrupted, managed, controlled, and 'taught' to believe through many lifetimes that this is who I am/ we are. This is not everyone's reason for or way of being here or coming to the Earth; I understand that fully, and that's my point. There is probably no one 'universal' answer to the question posed. I now know differently and can begin to extricate myself from the Matrix in this lifetime, hopefully.

I see the 'many worlds' theory as being quite compatible with the "panspermia" theory. Also, the 'many worlds' theory would explain the different yet similar beliefs in a deity and spiritual state. Each different planet or world may have their own perspective on this and understanding of it.

Last night I was re-reading one of my favorite books called "The Four Agreements: The Toltec Way" by Don Miguel Ruiz. One of the best points he made, which is contained in the 2nd agreement (Take Nothing Personally) is that we are each having our own dream and will each relate to the same issues in our own unique and separate ways, and that is a necessary state of our existence, not something to fight or go to war over. Whatever anyone says or does is about them, not you. Whether they praise or criticize you; whether they agree or disagree; it is about them.

One of the most interesting articles I've read lately is that we can have any 2 DNA strands activated from the 12 DNAs of this Universe. One of those is "feline". Some people just do look and act like cats. Another one is "A.I." or "artificial intelligence". There is also "Angelic Being". One is "human". Most people have at least one "Human" DNA strand, according to the article. However, many do NOT.

It all makes me wonder about the talk in the bible (not that I'm a believer in it literally) about the "12 Lost Tribes"; not of Israel, though; of the Cosmos!

[cheeb]

Where do you get this stuff from

Do you watch Dr Who and think it is a documentary

Its incredible to me that anyone can think they come from a different life

Its incredulous to me that anyone can think they come from a different planet

Perhaps it would be interesting if you wrote it in a science fiction book ,

but to genuinely beleive ,feel this to be true ,its nonsence and self delusion

and could possibly lead to mental health issues down the line

write a detached book you have tons of interesting stuff going on

[awakensong]

The least you could do is NOT TAKE IT PERSONALLY. Did you even READ that part? LOL :rolleyes: I said we all have different beliefs and findings, right? Those are mine and I'm standing by them.

No one is forcing the same thing on YOU, so please don't try and remove it from ME.

BTW, I detest science fiction and never watch any of that junk.

[cheeb]

Stand by your beleifs if you want

dont prop them up ' if their foundations are sure they will stand up on their own and they dont really need you keeping them company

Watch books on science fiction ?

I tend to read them

But dont incorporate them into my beleif system

Just have them as an interesting sideshow

Perhaps Oscar Wilde was right when he said" 2 great nations separated by a common launguage "

[chick n matrix]

Dear awakensong,

leave it to a Matrix Agent to wreck it for the rest of us, like what was said to you :D ====

to especially think that on a David Icke site someone would be attacked for stating the facts about dracos and reptilians is a big surprise, but I guess not really -- those debunkers are everywhere. :eek:

anyway I think it is great that you have found your origins and are holding to them. Can be an inspiration to others ====

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[cheeb]

You know I had such an attack of llaughter today in my car ,I had to pull into a layby to stop myself crashing.

Iwas thinking about what awakensong posted
I imagined the scenario:

Walking into a pub and seeing her proping up the bar with her beleifs

"hello i'm cheeb, i'm from England, where you from?"

"I'm awakensong, I'm from the constellation Rigel Orion, before it was invaded by the Dracos from Zeta Reticuli, who abducted me and brought me to Earth so that I can now begin to extracate myself from the matrix"

"Barman, make mine a large one!
I'll get my coat"

This has made my day
I haven't laughed so much since I saw my buddy, and he said matey down the lane died,
I said "what did he die of" and with a straight face and no hint of irony

he said

"nothing serious"

I really do like this beleif of yours awakensong
It's genius
It's funny
It has pulled me out of my greif

Whats it called and how do I join

It would be great to put it on census forms etc, rather than jedi

I was getting bored with aethism anyhow,
No network and a bit dour and nihilistic

Thank you very much for making me laugh again and realising that the world is not filled with doom and gloom and can be a wonderful, crazy, and happy place
to park your spaceship.

Welldone.

[eternal_spirit]

where did we come from this a question that we will never know the answer to in this life time as a human being. you can have a belief or a theory which is faith based, but a theroy which can nver be put to test or proven a certain reality.

the oppsosite question to this is where do we go when we die? the answer is the same as where do we come from!

[eternal_spirit]

Before we came to this earth, where were we, where did we come from? Would you have come here to the earth, if you had known about the reps. Did we know about the reps but were hoodwinked before we came. Ive read loads of books on reincarnation. Why would you want to come back here when its just a prison without bars. When you think how big this universe is along with the other dimensions i would only want to come back when they the reps have gone. What do you think?

You can waste a whole lifetime pondering the answer to the question or even many lifetimes, my advice would be to get on with you're life and what you know to be real. I'm talking form my own experience here.

[a fine naked fellow]

I agree, the present is where its at, lots and lots of good stuff there.

[cheeb]

Well i used to think we come from monkeys ,
who came from rodent type mammals
who came from lizard type creatures
whocame from amphibian type creatures
who came from unremarkable fish
who came frompale worm like inverterbrate
who came from a crude worm
who came from a speck of protoplasm
who came from algae
who came from thermophiles(rock eating bacillus)

But now i think we came from beta reticuli,in the constellation of rigel orion 'pre draconian invasion,
not to be confused with zeta reticuli in the constellation of beetlegeuse pre annuki and eloihm cleansing
or was that the pleidians

Fuck it .Ill stick with Darwinian Evolution ,its easier to understand!

[eternal_spirit]

I was warned by my elders they said you'll never know the answer, when you're young you think you'll find the answer one day. I think I know what they know now I'm older. If where all from that same place, do we go back there when we die?
Anyone else is free to search you're choice.

I'm just fed up with being led up the garden path.

You can go back to the big bang, then what was before that? some say God some say the sun is god which gave birth to our solar system but what made the sun? Some great god type being thinking and manifesting those thoughts into physical realities, are we all connected and thought this life into a reality whilst a spirit?

where did we come from why are we here if we knew where we came from would it make us any wiser to why are we here.?

[cheeb]

Probably, when you die ,it will maybe be the same as before you were born

you wont know much about it

dont worry about it ,we all start from this place

and go back there sooner or later

if you want paradise you will have to leave this world in a very good place ,
spiritually i suppose ,
those last thoughts as you leave here are your eternity ,you had better make sure you are prepared for it

[adramelech]

I love how awakensong makes a post regarding the Toltec agreements, taking nothing personally, realizing that the creations and beliefs of others are solely their own and that each person is having their own dream... then cheeb comes along right after and completely validates every point in an effort to ridicule before launching into a veritable Cambrian explosion of ad hominem attacks and reductio ad absurdum. Poetic justice.

Anyway, the simple answer is, of course, that "we" were energy (or potential energy), along with everything else that has, does and will exist in any universe or dimension.

[awakensong]

Here is something I've found very interesting, as well as confirming to my own original understanding of our origins; mainly that we did not originate on this planet. It is so glaringly obvious that we are not all that well-adapted to living here and that we could not be 'from' here to begin with:

http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/

[jinjo5]

reincarnation is not a proven theory.

i don't know myself how we came to be what we are now.
i think the reason that you and me are here,
in this body... in this mind...

is primarily because our moms and dads had sex.
i don't think we had any choice.

he impregnated her, she gave birth to us. that's it.
when animals or flies have sex, the same happens.
when flowers have sex, the same happens.

that's the way it goes for physical lifeforms on earth.



but before you ask where did we come from, you must be sure that you know who we are.
so who am I really?

who are you? are you this mind? are you this body?
or is this just a belief? if it is, should it be trusted?
what remains when you drop this belief?
Reincarnation can never be proven,and to be honest,im not sure i want to come back to this crap.
Cant you learn your lessons on the other side,it really troubles me that any soul that has passed over would want to come back to learn lessons.
What is the point of suffering?
No-one likes pain or suffering,its awful.
We all learn through life experience,but why do suffering and pain gain anything.
So does a 6 month old starving child learn from that,course not.
That child as done nowt wrong,why should it suffer so.......cos its learning.........bollocks!!!.

[awakensong]

It's probably not so much about coming back or learning lessons, as it is to just escape the Matrix. We are entrapped and enslaved and as I see it, must extricate ourselves to move on with what we'd rather be doing.

If anyone has ever heard John Lear or certain others speak, they talk of our being 're-routed' back into another life (by the PTB), to continue the slavery. This is why we must "a"scend or "tran"scend or whatever you wish to name it. Just my opinion, of course.

Lear says there is a base on the moon that sucks in souls through the "Light at the end of the tunnel" and sends them back into another physical body. Not sure of this myself, of course, but it's another theory.

Then there is the Gnostic view, which I find very fascinating and almost believable. Certain parts of it are; namely, that there are "archons" (equivalent to the Reptilians, I suppose) holding us here for their own sinister purposes.

[misscpb]

Before we came to this earth, where were we, where did we come from? Would you have come here to the earth, if you had known about the reps. Did we know about the reps but were hoodwinked before we came. Ive read loads of books on reincarnation. Why would you want to come back here when its just a prison without bars. When you think how big this universe is along with the other dimensions i would only want to come back when they the reps have gone. What do you think?

Hi There

What a great post.

Well I believe in reincarnation and feel that I probably chose to have another life on earth as a human being and chose my parents as well as other people for the lessons and experiences I needed to learn. Whether I knew about the reptilians I just do not know, but I do have a very strong sense of having to raise my consciousness, helping other people, animals and the earth in whatever way I can.

But I must admit at times I just think what a big mistake being here. But I suppose thats life with its up and downs.