Poll Gathering Statistics: Morals Of War And Bible

[darketernal]

Option 1: The Bible contains many good moral lessons and there are circumstances where invading another nation is morally justified.

Option 2: The Bible contains many good moral lessons and there are NEVER circumstances where invading another nation is morally justified.

Option 3: The Bible contains few or no good moral lessons and there are circumstances where invading another nation is morally justified.

Option 4: The Bible contains few or no good moral lessons and there are NEVER circumstances where invading another nation is morally justified.

Option 5: I'm uncertain of or have no opinion on the Bible's containing moral lessons and there are circumstances where invading another nation is morally justified.

Option 6: I'm uncertain of or have no opinion on the Bible's containing moral lessons and there are NEVER circumstances where invading another nation is morally justified.

Option 7: I have no belief that could be placed in the above categories but will explain in the thread.

A number of threads started in the last couple of days have sparked my interest in looking at the DI forum community, and statistics regarding how people perceive the morals presented in the Bible and their views on war, particularly invasion of another nation.

Unfortunately I was unable to make my options fit into the chart above, so I have placed them using a key.

[darketernal]

Could I get a mod to change the poll to read "Option 1, Option 2" etc? I assumed that it would keep the text saying that in the poll settup. Thank you.

[logic bomb]

No problem.

[disorder2k8]

well firstly, I haven't read the bible, I just know (or assume) some of its lessons

secondly, I wouldn't approve of invading any country at all, from any source. Unless (and only if) that doing so stopped a real, imminent invasion of your country. And by that I don't mean a pre-emptive strike.

My option would be 6.

[anyuser]

I don't know too much about the old testament but in the new testament, if you offend one of your brethren, it is the same as offending God. Also if you hurt anyone, it is the same as hurting God so I guess we are not to offend anyone and not hurt anyone. Does anyone else also get this same conclusion?

[dmt head]

well firstly, I haven't read the bible, I just know (or assume) some of its lessons

secondly, I wouldn't approve of invading any country at all, from any source. Unless (and only if) that doing so stopped a real, imminent invasion of your country. And by that I don't mean a pre-emptive strike.

My option would be 6.

My feelings exactly!

[notthisshitagain]

Well I made a mistake, stupid me was gonna vote on Option 4 and I accidentaly submitted the vote to Option 2...

But yeah, I've read the Bible, and to me its a book that has few moral stuff.. I used to be a Roman Catholic until I "woke up".

In other words, to me, it's just basically a book, that has no sanctity whatsoever. Like George Carlin would've said: "Personally I just think it's a bunch of shit."

I know that there will be people that will not agree with me, but I don't care. My point of view regarding the Bible (or the Babble, as I like to call it sometimes), won't change.

[darketernal]

Someone voted Option 7: I have no belief that could be placed in the above categories but will explain in the thread

But has not yet explained. I would be happy to see your thoughts.

[darketernal]

I often wonder why more people who take the time to read a poll thread do not pick a choice, especially when an option is given for "none of the above". ;)

[biblegirl]

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sorry darketernal, i couldn't resist :p

[boots]

I haven't read the Bible but have looked through it when i have stayed in hotels at nights.

To me it just waffles on about things that were written 150 years after a man called Jesus died. Mmmmm at bit sus. Having said that the first 5 of the 10 commandments are very good morally.

Actually, lol, one of my aunties was in the council of ruling nuns stationed at the Vatican,another auntie was in a convent in Denmark and a uncle who was a monk in Holland.

God where did I go wrong. Ha ha :)

There is never an excuse to invade another country, IMO What ever the circumstances, even a precised threat.

[darketernal]

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sorry darketernal, i couldn't resist :p

Well I found it amusing. I'm hoping I get more votes for data. I'm actually fairly pleased with what I see so far from the poeple who frequint this forum who voted vs the general population... if I were to pass this around a family reunion of mine, it would be 90-100% Option 1.

[entrangermercenary]

Never morally justified in invading another country seems a popular vote winner, thrown in with any thing else.

How about a poll: Who has picked up the arms and legs of women killed with axes , knives and shovels. Eyes cut out and hearts cut out and chucked on there bodies.The men blown up with grenades tied to there wastes, normall people like you and your husband/wife/other half. This was not Iraq/afghan

Tell the relatives its never justified morally to invade a country and give assistance, protection and aid.

:mad:

[bedog]

Never morally justified in invading another country seems a popular vote winner, thrown in with any thing else.

How about a poll: Who has picked up the arms and legs of women killed with axes , knives and shovels. Eyes cut out and hearts cut out and chucked on there bodies.The men blown up with grenades tied to there wastes, normall people like you and your husband/wife/other half. This was not Iraq/afghan

Tell the relatives its never justified morally to invade a country and give assistance, protection and aid.

:mad:
I'm guessing you're talking about what really happens during a conflict.
While such things are horrible and unnecessary, this poll is actually about the morals of doing so.

And while I do agree that there can be times when aid should be given, that would not be about invading a country.

In my opinion invading Iraq was NOT for aid...

[element]

Option 4. ;)

[entrangermercenary]

I'm guessing you're talking about what really happens during a conflict.
While such things are horrible and unnecessary, this poll is actually about the morals of doing so.

And while I do agree that there can be times when aid should be given, that would not be about invading a country.

In my opinion invading Iraq was NOT for aid...

Correct Iraq was not about aid, but we all know that:)

So it is not morally correct to go into a country to protect a minority getting massacered by a majority?
Lets just sit by and watch it happen? Dont think so imho

[bedog]

Now, that is the question isn't it.

Would you really call that an invasion? I'm not saying it isn't, I'm just asking the question.

I do agree that no majority should ever have the power to supress a minority in any way.

What to do about it would really be up to the individual country/state... They would have to make a moral choice.

I'm lucky enough to not be in a position to make that kind of decision, because I'm not sure I could. But I do reserve the right to react to any such decision being made by others.

[darketernal]

Bumping for more votes.

[element]

2 voted option 1. :confused:

Explain yourself please....

[bedog]

2 voted option 1. :confused:

Explain yourself please....

Didn't expect to see that on this forum. Statistical glitches or maybe someone just trying to fuddle up the results or maybe some people have voted without really reading the options.

[blondina1]

Didn't expect to see that on this forum. Statistical glitches or maybe someone just trying to fuddle up the results or maybe some people have voted without really reading the options.

Why?
Are you trying to say that this forum is only for ppl who do not beileve in the bible and for ppl who don't believe in the justification of going to war.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and some ppl have these opinions.
I am not sure why you think that it is a statistical glitch or that someone is trying to "fuddle up the results", or haven't read the otions.

[bedog]

Oh no, I didn't mean anything like that.
I've studied statistics, and one of the basic rules are that there are people who on purpose will choose "the worst" options.
It just seems an unlikely option for people to believe in, and in this case I'd say that it is definetly a statistical glitch that of 29 voters, 2 have chosen this option.

But I do agree; people are definetly entitled to their opinion, whether it's believing in the bible or believing there are moral reasons for going to war, or any other for that matter.

[blondina1]

1.I've studied statistics, and one of the basic rules are that there are people who on purpose will choose "the worst" options.

2.It just seems an unlikely option for people to believe in..

I'm sorry it could be me but could you please explain

1. Why on this forum do you think that would be the case?

2.Why you think it is an unlikley option for ppl to believe in?

[bedog]

easy...

1. That has nothing to do specifically with this forum, it has to do with the way people answer polls in general. Either they do it on purpose to throw off the statistics, or they chose an option without really reading and understanding the question asked and the alternative responses.

2. The very idea of an invasion of another country based on morals written in a book IS the worst choice. Of this there can be no question. It goes against all logic and human empathy to believe that a book empowers you to act with aggression towards your fellow humans.

[darketernal]

2. The very idea of an invasion of another country based on morals written in a book IS the worst choice. Of this there can be no question. It goes against all logic and human empathy to believe that a book empowers you to act with aggression towards your fellow humans.

Correlation does not equal causation. I'm only asking for both traits/beliefs to be present to answer option 1, not that they feel the Bible is their primary influence.

Interestingly enough had you asked me the same question while I was in the mind control programs, I would have replied to you, "If the Bible says we must kill someone, we have no choice. It is the direct word of God and to disobey God is destruction of the soul."

In any event, I expected Option 1 to have a small number of votes on this forum, which it has.

[bedog]

Correlation does not equal causation. I'm only asking for both traits/beliefs to be present to answer option 1, not that they feel the Bible is their primary influence.

Interestingly enough had you asked me the same question while I was in the mind control programs, I would have replied to you, "If the Bible says we must kill someone, we have no choice. It is the direct word of God and to disobey God is destruction of the soul."

In any event, I expected Option 1 to have a small number of votes on this forum, which it has.

And there you go, I saw the causation part of it...

And like I've actually tried stating in earlier posts, I'm not trying to talk down to anyone who would choose this.

And I do know that there are definetly people who for one reason or another would chose this option. And yes I do understand that it doesn't HAVE to be evil intent in choosing it.

So a gentler version of my earlier statements:
In my opinion there is no way that I would be able to chose option 1. But that is mostly down to the fact that I cannot find any redeeming feature in the act of invading a another country.

So if anyone has been offended by my earlier statements, I can only say that I respect other people's choices on this subject, I was merely trying to state mine.

[tinmenace]

I voted #6

[tinmenace]

It would be cool if we could see who voted what.

[darketernal]

It would be cool if we could see who voted what.





I left it where people could vote as they like, to get more votes without fear of people not liking their choice, but left the option for people to say as individuals how they voted.

[notthisshitagain]

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sorry darketernal, i couldn't resist :p

Hahahahahah that's so frickin' awesome, biblegirl :D *hugs*

[loderlive]

left the option for people to say as individuals how they voted.

No bible, just the force of self knowledge for defence, never for attack... Option 6.

[bendoon]

Go on then Dark, are you going to enlighten us on the point of this poll ?

Or am I to assume its just for mischief. :D

[darketernal]

Go on then Dark, are you going to enlighten us on the point of this poll ?

Or am I to assume its just for mischief. :D

No, I am collecting correlational data. Is that ok?