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skatardude10
20-09-2008, 05:16 PM
Money is Debt because all money is loaned out at interest.

Eventually, ALL the money must be paid back to the bankers, and the only way to keep the system going is to continually pump exponentially escalating amounts of money into the system. Back in the early days, money was considered simply as a medium for trading actual assets rather than a promise to repay debts. An exponentially increasing economy is not compatible with a sustainable society. Eventually, the bankers own everything... Like our house, all our hard assets, simply because the interest to be paid back on all of our money far exceeds the amount of money in the first place... and with fractional reserve banking requirements essentially gone, this increase in debt is literally infinite. Why is wallstreet crashing? Why is the world economy crashing? Because the big bankers who sit on their ass and don't produce any real value, any real assets, simply create money to collect debt on, infinitely and exponentially untill we are all slaves to a dollar and fiat money system that is worth nothing.

How do we fix this problem? Re-destribute the wealth. Back in the old days, charging intrest on loans was called usury and was illegal, considered immoral and parasitic because those who lent money simply collected all the wealth of the society in the long run. To fix this, we need to make Intrest illegal, and get these parasites off our backs! We need to re-distribute the worlds wealth evenly and not charge intrest and keep government taxxes so they can still run to maintain the economy's infrustructure, so that we don't have exponentially de-valued dollars, with wealth centralized to any one particluar group or person... Or rather not have any government taxxes and have the debts and intrest re-distributed evenly across the whole economy, back into EVERYONE's pockets, not just one pocket. We need a sustainable, and consistent monetary system for a sustainable and renewable economy, and planet earth.

This video goes in detail to explain exactly what I am talking about. If you can get this through your head, please do so, so that when our economies inevitably go poop, we have some knowledge on how to fix things locally so we can stand up in our individual towns and restore true, morally acceptable, beneficial for all type public service money systems for the long run. We cannot accept the bankers and their parasitic schemes to eventually own every corporation, every real hard asset, because their system is designed to eventually own everything for nothing, while we are the one's that actually produce the worlds wealth, they just take advantage of it by creating money, and debt on that created money to be paid back, all out of thin air.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279&hl=en

Let's get rid of the Federal Reserve, and these parasitic bankers that are de-valuing our dollar, and create ourselves a REAL sustainable, consistent money supply that constantly and exponentially decrease in value. We can do it by realizing that interest is immoral, and parasitic in the long run... and creating security by ensuring that the whole no matter what benefits by re-distributing the wealth evenly to everyone. Let's make banking a public service that works for the people rather than to impersonally enslave the people by a constantly and exponentially decreasing value of the dollars we are paid.

cruise4
21-09-2008, 05:27 AM
"To fix this, we need to make Interest illegal"

No, if things have to be 'made illegal' the design was faulty in the first place. The answer is to remove interest from the equation.

"Let's make banking a public service"

No... lets remove banking from the equation.

You are still trying to tinker with that we have now.

We need a complete redesign. This is quite possible.

Understand I agree with you on principle, but let's get a bit cleverer on the 'solving issues' part.

It's not banking that has you enslaved but an economic, social and political construct that requires coercion to be present for slave production. Banking is but one branch of that particular tree.

disorder2k8
21-09-2008, 05:35 AM
i always liken the economy to that of the game of monopoly, the money is worthless and only useful for buying assets and theirs only 1 winner at the end because everyone else gets screwed.

its also why i hate that game, it just causes arguments.

cruise4
21-09-2008, 07:40 AM
We are in one of the great vortexes of history now. One of my degrees is in history. In many ways this is considered to be a largely "worthless" degree. Not too many jobs out there for historians. However, the study of history is the study of "us"; of what we are, of from where we came, and an indication of where we are going.

http://www.rense.com/general83/vortex.htm

Under what circumstances should economic factors ever be allowed to dictate what pursuits are worthless and which are not? That is a choice for the individual, not a choice to be left to the vaguries of an economic, so called, necessity.

The trick is to allow all to make their own choice irrespective of economic necessity. Then you design the economic system around that core principle.

It's not rocket science! Freedom or Slavery.

A great many people have a vested interest in making economics seem like 'high science' to protect their little niche in society. Don't believe it. It's very simple if you can strip away all the layers of bollocks these people muddy the waters with. But hey... if you want to listen to Sages of the Fraud, go right ahead.

cheetahgrace
21-09-2008, 09:49 AM
[/QUOTE] Under what circumstances should economic factors ever be allowed to dictate what pursuits are worthless and which are not? That is a choice for the individual, not a choice to be left to the vaguries of an economic, so called, necessity.

The trick is to allow all to make their own choice irrespective of economic necessity. Then you design the economic system around that core principle.

It's not rocket science! Freedom or Slavery.

[/QUOTE]

Here here, Freedom of choice = Liberation of the soul.

Do we need 'economics' at all. Just an exchange of skills would be cool. :)

cruise4
21-09-2008, 10:12 AM
To me economics is a function derived from system design. A subject called economics 'evolves' from whatever starting point you have. This is why economics is a fantasy because change the system and you change the economics... it's NOT absolute science. It's an evolving entity. As such the possibilities to evolve have to be curtailed at design level so the undesirable traits are not possible evolutionary traits.

Examples:
No banks = No bank Robbers
No cash = No cash robbery
Secure ID = No ID theft (Quantum Tunnelling tech. for example)
No cash = no banks
No land purchase/selling = no mortgage
No initial money shortage = no enforced slavery (Buy 20 ferraris and you can still put yourself there)
No credit = no debt
No fractional reserve banking = no inflation
no inflation = no ever increasing economic growth concerns
free energy = no metering
antigravity = no roads
no professional government = no government corruption
no land to buy/sell = no dangerous aquisition
no money inheritance - everyone starts equal

Designing out things. Very important
Back money with land and slavery can end.
And so will 1001 useless fraudulent menial created jobs.

etc. etc.