Aspartame and evil soft drinks

[haukipesukone]

Aspartame is bad, right? It's in some sodas, but not in all, right?
Normal Coke, 7 Up and so forth don't have it? But do stuff like Coca Cola Zero and the new "special" sodas have it? What does aspartame do exactly?


I just a moment ago drank a bit of 7 Up, and I feel it's much harder to focus my mind on something (like typing). Yesterday was the same thing when I drank 7 Up. I noticed the effect years ago, now I remember again why I shouldn't drink that stuff. There's no effect if I drink one glass of it, but probably after two the effect becomes noticeable. Also sometimes when I eat candy I get the same feeling of it becoming harder to focus.

It could be just the sugar screwing with my mind, but I don't think so. I don't think sugar in general has any noticeable effect on me. Earlier today I drank a Slurpie (which probably has lots of sugar in it) but felt no different. Do they really put some stuff into sodas that screws with the brain chemistry?

[tracker]

Aspartame is bad, right? It's in some sodas, but not in all, right?
Normal Coke, 7 Up and so forth don't have it? But do stuff like Coca Cola Zero and the new "special" sodas have it? What does aspartame do exactly?


I just a moment ago drank a bit of 7 Up, and I feel it's much harder to focus my mind on something (like typing). Yesterday was the same thing when I drank 7 Up. I noticed the effect years ago, now I remember again why I shouldn't drink that stuff. There's no effect if I drink one glass of it, but probably after two the effect becomes noticeable. Also sometimes when I eat candy I get the same feeling of it becoming harder to focus.

It could be just the sugar screwing with my mind, but I don't think so. I don't think sugar in general has any noticeable effect on me. Earlier today I drank a Slurpie (which probably has lots of sugar in it) but felt no different. Do they really put some stuff into sodas that screws with the brain chemistry?

i have noticed whilst out shopping , that nearly every single drink aimed at children have aspartame in it .

now ?

if it wasnt on perpose , some drinks wouldnt have it in it , but 99% of all children soft drinks has aspartame in it .

it is known that in the early 90s , my self being one person who does remember , is that the sweetner aspartame , commonly known as canderell , was taken off the shelves for investigation .

however , soon after it made a come back on all shelves with no news as to why it has come back or the results of the tests for why it was take off the shelves in the 1st place.

i have done my own research into this matter concerning brain altering drugs , this oneknow as aspartame .

i have found out the reason why it made a fast come back but with no news about it .

the scientists who said it was bad and had to come off the shelvs were instantly sacked as soon as Bush came into power .
they were all sacked !

then ?
the MOD / NSA ? national security agency , gave it the go ahead , and the head of national security , endorced the sweetne with no investigation and also had a large reward for being in charge of the distribution of aspartame .

why would the NSA have so much conviction , let alone ties , with this product ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??

the old scientists are still protestin about it on the utube .

they ere instantly sacked , and the NSA took over as soon as the Bush admin came into power !:eek:

so far , i have only found 2 drinks with out it .
ribena black current only / in the ribena drinks. not the orange or peach , only the black current .

and in one other soft drink but i forgot the name .

aspartame is a brain cell destroyer and courses cancers
clots
deseases
hemerages

it doesnt just numb down the brain , it totally destroys brain cells and rwires them in a bad way that can course brain tumers.

[chattanova]

It's mostly the 'sugar-free' products that have substituted the sugar with aspartame. It's now in almost all chewing gum there is.
It's about 700 times sweeter than sugar. Father Bush is very involved in the production.
btw. Pilot's are not allowed to drink instant coffee(which also contains it) before a flight due to the sight becomes blurry, dizziness ++

[disorder2k8]

only drink pure fruit drinks, not concentrates if possible, though they are still slightly better than the chemical loaded crap. also smoothies are nice and Shloer branded drinks are very nice and don't have anything in them, but the are a bit more expensive.

Aspartame sadly is being put even into regular drinks, they now have sugar + aspartame or another sweetener variant :(

[jahzel]

I am obsessively checking labels on drinks - most products I found in my house contain the stuff.

This morning I tucked into a Cherry flavoured Muller Light yoghurt (as you do) only to find, to my horror, that that also contained it!

Is there no end to this evil!

I feel not only poisoned now, but conned! :eek:

[haukipesukone]

so far , i have only found 2 drinks with out it .
ribena black current only / in the ribena drinks. not the orange or peach , only the black current .


Do you mean that there is no aspartame in the blackcurrant drink, or that the blackcurrant has aspartame, but orange and peach do not? Or that the blackcurrant doesn't have it, but orange and peach do?

Because I kinda like the blackcurrant drink.


I am obsessively checking labels on drinks - most products I found in my house contain the stuff.

So they at least have to label it, if the drink has aspartame, or do you think some drinks have it although it's not mentioned?


The (Hong Kong) 7 Up reads as follows:
Ingredients: Carbonated water, sugar, acidity regulator (citric acid, sodium citrate), flavors, preservative (sodium benzoate)

What is "flavors"? That could be anything. There's something funky in 7 Up for sure.

[stelios]

many supermarkets have removed aspartame from the own label products

[nirvana]

Aspartame is sometimes called by different names.

Peace:)

[revolutionary_jam]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxVPgwU47xE

circulate this info amongst the regular peoplessss they are more receptive to things like this than illuminati stuffff good entry point

[kingmonkey]

Acesulfame k is also one to watch out for...Some people often think this is another name for aspartame; it's not, it's a different but very similar sweetener. Morrisons in the U.K have removed aspartame in their pop and swapped it for this which is arguably no better.

The easy way to avoid these things is to not drink pop. Vote with your wallet and don't pay them to poison you.

[drhemp]

Aspartame is in most drinks aimed at children, but it's not in everything, as long as you look at the ingredients, then it's not too hard to make sure your kids don't consume it, we just have to put up with the occasional paddy fit, when we won't let our son have a Robinson's Fruit Shoot. It's not in Ribena cartons, and I think Rocks Organic Squashes are a good alternative to the additive laced rubbish that fills the majority of supermarket shelves.

Usually they put Aspartame in the ingredients list if it contains it, but in the past I have accidentally bought something with Aspartame in it, as it was just labeled as E951, so watch out for that one. You should also be able to tell from the taste of the drink, as Aspartame tastes awful.

[kingmonkey]

Aspartame is in most drinks aimed at children, but it's not in everything, as long as you look at the ingredients, then it's not too hard to make sure your kids don't consume it, we just have to put up with the occasional paddy fit, when we won't let our son have a Robinson's Fruit Shoot. It's not in Ribena cartons, and I think Rocks Organic Squashes are a good alternative to the additive laced rubbish that fills the majority of supermarket shelves.

Usually they put Aspartame in the ingredients list if it contains it, but in the past I have accidentally bought something with Aspartame in it, as it was just labeled as E951, so watch out for that one. You should also be able to tell from the taste of the drink, as Aspartame tastes awful.

Aye, them fruit shoots are a regular chemical cocktail.

MSG is E621 for those who don't know as well. Although I'm not sure if that's as much of a problem as some say. I'm pretty sure it's not very good for you though!

[drhemp]

MSG is terrible stuff, its in lots of crisps and savory snacks. Kettle or Burts crisps don't have MSG, and they taste much nicer than the Walkers MSG laced alternatives.

You can avoid all these horrible additives, if you take a bit of care and pay attention to the ingredients list. Sadly, the decent stuff tends to be a bit more pricey.

Spread the word, tell all your friends what to avoid, I'm sure most people wouldn't buy this rubbish if they knew about the harmful crap they put in it. They assume because the Government allows the sale of it then it must be ok.

[tracker]

Do you mean that there is no aspartame in the blackcurrant drink, or that the blackcurrant has aspartame, but orange and peach do not? Or that the blackcurrant doesn't have it, but orange and peach do?

Because I kinda like the blackcurrant drink.




So they at least have to label it, if the drink has aspartame, or do you think some drinks have it although it's not mentioned?


The (Hong Kong) 7 Up reads as follows:
Ingredients: Carbonated water, sugar, acidity regulator (citric acid, sodium citrate), flavors, preservative (sodium benzoate)

What is "flavors"? That could be anything. There's something funky in 7 Up for sure.

what i mean is that "ribena black current" drink

as far as i know


doesnt have aspartame in it .

but im sre they have done something else instead ,

it is a bad market !

[drhemp]

I think Ribena is actually ok, it just contains, water, fruit juice and sugar.

This is what it says on the side of the packet:
Water, Sugar, Blackcurrant Juice from Concentrate (6%), Vitamin C, Citric Acid. Contains no artificial sweeteners or artificial colour and no added preservatives.

At them moment, they have to print what's in it. Beware of Codex Alimentarius, which the EU are forcing into the laws of all European countries, which seeks to remove the labeling requirements on food and drinks.

[tracker]

I think Ribena is actually ok, it just contains, water, fruit juice and sugar.

This is what it says on the side of the packet:
Water, Sugar, Blackcurrant Juice from Concentrate (6%), Vitamin C, Citric Acid. Contains no artificial sweeteners or artificial colour and no added preservatives.

At them moment, they have to print what's in it. Beware of Codex Alimentarius, which the EU are forcing into the laws of all European countries, which seeks to remove the labeling requirements on food and drinks.


i have personally checked ribena

orange
peach
strawberry
apple

all of which have aspartame in it .

the only one that doesnt is

blackcurrent .

:cool:

i must admit it puzzled me a bit .

[turquoisefire777]

The Worst Additives
"If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in bed with a mosquito."
--Betty Reese

Aspartame, 951, Phenylketonurics: Contains Phenylalanine
Sold as Equal® and NutraSweet®, and in other countries as Canderal®, Benevia® and Spoonful®.

A site to check: http://www.ehso.com/ehshome/aspartame.php

Aspartame was going to be the dieter's delight and the great change for diabetics. The truth is so nasty. Instead of an aid it is a monster let loose in over 9,000 products through deception and falsified tests. In one test that was questioned in court, the persons involved admitted that test animals had had tumours removed and then been re-admitted to the test as if they were unaffected!

Aspartame must carry a warning to persons with phenylketonuria (PKU), Phenyiketonurics: Contains Phenylalanine. I saw children's orange flavoured vitamin pills without such a warning early in 2001. One out of 20,000 babies is born without the ability to metabolise phenylalanine, one of the two amino acids in aspartame. Toxic levels of this substance in the blood can result in mental retardation.

Weight Gain from Aspartame - 951
"According to Dr. Wurtman, some consumers can easily reach consumption levels that have been linked in animal studies to adverse effects on brain chemicals. Ironically, he added, those using the sweetener to control calories may be defeating their purpose, since his studies show high levels of aspartame may trigger a craving for carbohydrates by depleting the brain of a chemical that registers carbohydrate satiety."

Mark Gold, researcher, states:
I would like to clear up a few issues involving aspartame. The evidence related to toxicity of aspartame is found in three main areas:

1. Formaldehyde Exposure.
The formaldehyde exposure from aspartame is significant. Aspartame breaks down into methanol, amino acids and several other chemicals. The methanol is quickly absorbed and converted into formaldehyde. The methanol found in foods and alcoholic beverages is also absorbed, but there are "protective chemicals [eg. ethanol] in these traditionally ingested foods and beverages that prevent the conversion of methanol to formaldehyde.

Formaldehyde is known to cause gradual damage to the nervous system, the immune system and has recently been shown to cause irreversible genetic damage at long-term, low-level exposure.

The most recent, independent research shows that the situation related to aspartame may be more serious than simply regular formaldehyde exposure. This research on animals demonstrates that the formaldehyde appears to accumulate as adducts (bound to protein molecules) in the organs and tissues of the animals (when aspartame is ingested at relatively low doses):

"These are indeed extremely high levels for adducts of formaldehyde, a substance responsible for chronic deleterious effects that has also been considered carcinogenic.

"It is concluded that aspartame consumption may constitute a hazard because of its contribution to the formation of formaldehyde adducts." [Life Sciences (scientific journal), Vol. 63, No. 5, pp. 337+, 1998]

A few comments from independent research scientists regarding this and other recent aspartame research:
"It was a very interesting paper, that demonstrates that formaldehyde formation from aspartame ingestion is very common and does indeed accumulate within the cell, reacting with cellular proteins (mostly enzymes) and DMA (both mitochondrial and nuclear). The fact that it accumulates with each dose, indicates grave consequences among those who consume diet drinks and foodstuffs on a daily basis." [Russell Blaylock, MD [Neurosurgeon and Neuroscientist]].

The damage caused by formaldehyde from aspartame may be worsened by other aspartame breakdown chemicals, especially the aspartic acid. In animal research where formaldehyde is given to the animals to cause damage and pain, amino acids such as aspartic acid and glutamic acid are given at the same time to worsen the reaction. The amino acids from aspartame are absorbed suddenly unlike the protein-bound amino acids found in food.

2. Independent research finds problems with aspartame.
An analysis of peer reviewed medical literature using MEDLINE and other databases was conducted by Ralph G. Walton, MD, Chairman, The Centre for Behavioural Medicine, Professor of Clinical Psychiatry, North-eastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine. Dr. Walton analysed 164 studies which were felt to have relevance to human safety questions. Of the 90 non-industry- sponsored (independent) studies, 83 (92%) identified one or more problems with aspartame. Of the 74 aspartame industry-sponsored studies, all 74 (100%) claimed that no problems were found with aspartame.

3. Extremely large number of reported toxicity reactions to aspartame.
As of 1995 when the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (PDA) was quoted as saying they stopped accepting adverse reaction reports on aspartame, over 75% of the adverse reactions reported to the PDA Adverse Reaction Monitoring System (ARMS) were due to aspartame. After considering the fact that an extremely low percentage of adverse reactions are reported to the PDA, it becomes clear that there are millions of known cases of aspartame toxicity reactions. Possibly, there are many other cases where the person ingesting aspartame is either: 1) unaware that their symptoms are caused or contributed to by aspartame, or: 2) not yet experiencing clinically-obvious symptoms from the breakdown products of aspartame, but may eventually experience chronic health problems from the regular exposure to significant doses of formaldehyde.

Some of the many aspartame toxicity symptoms reported include seizures, headaches, memory loss, tremors, convulsions, vision loss, nausea, dizziness, confusion, depression, irritability, anxiety attacks, personality changes, heart palpitations, chest pains, skin diseases, loss of blood sugar control, arthritic symptoms, weight gain (in some cases), fluid retention, excessive thirst or urination. Clearly, regular exposure to a toxic substance such as formaldehyde may worsen, or in some cases contribute to the development of chronic diseases.

"From: Biotech Activists (biotech_activists@iatp.org) Posted:20/06/2000

http://mbm.net.au/health/guide.htm

[drhemp]

Thanks for the info; that would kind of make sense, as I only ever drink the blackcurrent one.

I've just checked their web site - http://www.ribena.co.uk/#/products/ and it would appear that the blackcurrent, strawberry and apple ones do not contain aspartame, but the orange one does. Fortunately, I'm pretty sure my kids never drink the orange one, just either the blackcurrent or strawberry.

Just goes to show, you can't be too careful, and the need to check the ingredients of all the drinks. We should also keep rechecking products that are ok, coz whose to say they wont change the ingredients at a later date and add aspartame to products that previously didn't contain it.

[tracker]

The Worst Additives
"If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in bed with a mosquito."
--Betty Reese

Aspartame, 951, Phenylketonurics: Contains Phenylalanine
Sold as Equal® and NutraSweet®, and in other countries as Canderal®, Benevia® and Spoonful®.

A site to check: http://www.ehso.com/ehshome/aspartame.php

Aspartame was going to be the dieter's delight and the great change for diabetics. The truth is so nasty. Instead of an aid it is a monster let loose in over 9,000 products through deception and falsified tests. In one test that was questioned in court, the persons involved admitted that test animals had had tumours removed and then been re-admitted to the test as if they were unaffected!

Aspartame must carry a warning to persons with phenylketonuria (PKU), Phenyiketonurics: Contains Phenylalanine. I saw children's orange flavoured vitamin pills without such a warning early in 2001. One out of 20,000 babies is born without the ability to metabolise phenylalanine, one of the two amino acids in aspartame. Toxic levels of this substance in the blood can result in mental retardation.

Weight Gain from Aspartame - 951
"According to Dr. Wurtman, some consumers can easily reach consumption levels that have been linked in animal studies to adverse effects on brain chemicals. Ironically, he added, those using the sweetener to control calories may be defeating their purpose, since his studies show high levels of aspartame may trigger a craving for carbohydrates by depleting the brain of a chemical that registers carbohydrate satiety."

Mark Gold, researcher, states:
I would like to clear up a few issues involving aspartame. The evidence related to toxicity of aspartame is found in three main areas:

1. Formaldehyde Exposure.
The formaldehyde exposure from aspartame is significant. Aspartame breaks down into methanol, amino acids and several other chemicals. The methanol is quickly absorbed and converted into formaldehyde. The methanol found in foods and alcoholic beverages is also absorbed, but there are "protective chemicals [eg. ethanol] in these traditionally ingested foods and beverages that prevent the conversion of methanol to formaldehyde.

Formaldehyde is known to cause gradual damage to the nervous system, the immune system and has recently been shown to cause irreversible genetic damage at long-term, low-level exposure.

The most recent, independent research shows that the situation related to aspartame may be more serious than simply regular formaldehyde exposure. This research on animals demonstrates that the formaldehyde appears to accumulate as adducts (bound to protein molecules) in the organs and tissues of the animals (when aspartame is ingested at relatively low doses):

"These are indeed extremely high levels for adducts of formaldehyde, a substance responsible for chronic deleterious effects that has also been considered carcinogenic.

"It is concluded that aspartame consumption may constitute a hazard because of its contribution to the formation of formaldehyde adducts." [Life Sciences (scientific journal), Vol. 63, No. 5, pp. 337+, 1998]

A few comments from independent research scientists regarding this and other recent aspartame research:
"It was a very interesting paper, that demonstrates that formaldehyde formation from aspartame ingestion is very common and does indeed accumulate within the cell, reacting with cellular proteins (mostly enzymes) and DMA (both mitochondrial and nuclear). The fact that it accumulates with each dose, indicates grave consequences among those who consume diet drinks and foodstuffs on a daily basis." [Russell Blaylock, MD [Neurosurgeon and Neuroscientist]].

The damage caused by formaldehyde from aspartame may be worsened by other aspartame breakdown chemicals, especially the aspartic acid. In animal research where formaldehyde is given to the animals to cause damage and pain, amino acids such as aspartic acid and glutamic acid are given at the same time to worsen the reaction. The amino acids from aspartame are absorbed suddenly unlike the protein-bound amino acids found in food.

2. Independent research finds problems with aspartame.
An analysis of peer reviewed medical literature using MEDLINE and other databases was conducted by Ralph G. Walton, MD, Chairman, The Centre for Behavioural Medicine, Professor of Clinical Psychiatry, North-eastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine. Dr. Walton analysed 164 studies which were felt to have relevance to human safety questions. Of the 90 non-industry- sponsored (independent) studies, 83 (92%) identified one or more problems with aspartame. Of the 74 aspartame industry-sponsored studies, all 74 (100%) claimed that no problems were found with aspartame.

3. Extremely large number of reported toxicity reactions to aspartame.
As of 1995 when the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (PDA) was quoted as saying they stopped accepting adverse reaction reports on aspartame, over 75% of the adverse reactions reported to the PDA Adverse Reaction Monitoring System (ARMS) were due to aspartame. After considering the fact that an extremely low percentage of adverse reactions are reported to the PDA, it becomes clear that there are millions of known cases of aspartame toxicity reactions. Possibly, there are many other cases where the person ingesting aspartame is either: 1) unaware that their symptoms are caused or contributed to by aspartame, or: 2) not yet experiencing clinically-obvious symptoms from the breakdown products of aspartame, but may eventually experience chronic health problems from the regular exposure to significant doses of formaldehyde.

Some of the many aspartame toxicity symptoms reported include seizures, headaches, memory loss, tremors, convulsions, vision loss, nausea, dizziness, confusion, depression, irritability, anxiety attacks, personality changes, heart palpitations, chest pains, skin diseases, loss of blood sugar control, arthritic symptoms, weight gain (in some cases), fluid retention, excessive thirst or urination. Clearly, regular exposure to a toxic substance such as formaldehyde may worsen, or in some cases contribute to the development of chronic diseases.

"From: Biotech Activists (biotech_activists@iatp.org) Posted:20/06/2000

http://mbm.net.au/health/guide.htm


thank you for that .:D
brilliant post !:D

[tracker]

Thanks for the info; that would kind of make sense, as I only ever drink the blackcurrent one.

I've just checked their web site - http://www.ribena.co.uk/#/products/ and it would appear that the blackcurrent, strawberry and apple ones do not contain aspartame, but the orange one does. Fortunately, I'm pretty sure my kids never drink the orange one, just either the blackcurrent or strawberry.

Just goes to show, you can't be too careful, and the need to check the ingredients of all the drinks. We should also keep rechecking products that are ok, coz whose to say they wont change the ingredients at a later date and add aspartame to products that previously didn't contain it.


thats very strange because ive just shown my partner your post about the site , and she is horrified

like to know why?

only yesterday we have seen a local market
selling ribena drinks

and the orang
apple
strawberry , in our area

does contain aspartame ! and its albbeled as ribena .

so ???????????

either the site is leing

or we have a counter fit soft drink company operating around England somewhere ,

i shite you NOT !

thank you so much for your post .
who knows , this comunication between us may have just let a cat out the bag ?????????
we shall see , and i promise

i will get back to you on this .:D

thank you .:cool:

[drhemp]

thats very strange because ive just shown my partner your post about the site , and she is horrified

like to know why?

only yesterday we have seen a local market
selling ribena drinks

and the orang
apple
strawberry , in our area

does contain aspartame ! and its albbeled as ribena .

so ???????????

either the site is leing

or we have a counter fit soft drink company operating around England somewhere ,

i shite you NOT !

thank you so much for your post .
who knows , this comunication between us may have just let a cat out the bag ?????????
we shall see , and i promise

i will get back to you on this .:D

thank you .:cool:

Likewise, thank you very much for the post. I let my kids drink the apple or the strawberry Ribenas, so I'm pretty sure that I would have checked it at some point in the past, which is why it was in my mind it doesn't contain aspartame. I'll certainly be checking again, and goes to prove that we must constantly monitor the ingredients, as the bastards could change them at any point in time.

[drhemp]

Sod it, I'm gonna pop over to the corner shop now and have a look, get back to you in 5-10 mins.

[tracker]

Sod it, I'm gonna pop over to the corner shop now and have a look, get back to you in 5-10 mins.

wait a mo


check for a word that says

"sweetners"

but doesnt indicate "what they are"

could i have been misaken ?


:o

[drhemp]

They only have the blackcurrent one, which doesn't contain aspartame. My partner reckons you might have seen one of the 'Ribina No Added Sugar' ones, which look very similar, these do contain aspartame and remarkably are aimed at children.

I'll keep my eye out in future on the Ribena labels. In the mean time, my 5 year old is delighted I bought him back a blackcurrent carton of Ribena, and I got myself a tin of Rio, which taste great and dont contain aspartame.

btw, it's beautiful weather outside here in Devon, clear blue skies and no chem trails about today, so I'm gonna tear myself away from the Mac and pop up to Dartmoor :-)

[tracker]

They only have the blackcurrent one, which doesn't contain aspartame. My partner reckons you might have seen one of the 'Ribina No Added Sugar' ones, which look very similar, these do contain aspartame and remarkably are aimed at children.

I'll keep my eye out in future on the Ribena labels. In the mean time, my 5 year old is delighted I bought him back a blackcurrent carton of Ribena, and I got myself a tin of Rio, which taste great and dont contain aspartame.

btw, it's beautiful weather outside here in Devon, clear blue skies and no chem trails about today, so I'm gonna tear myself away from the Mac and pop up to Dartmoor :-)


well have fun .
and now your in your childs good books too or bringing back something taisty too .

yes

it is being a great day for me too .

thanks for the info .:D

[apekteina lordosis]

i lived on a own brand diet cola for a couple of years then started to get severe headaches, especially in the evening. thought that it might have something to do with the aspartame so bought a water filter and mixed the filtered eau with concentrated fruit juices. result? no more headaches.

before getting the water filter i looked around trying to find soft drinks without aspartame and it was just about impossible, those that were available were out of my price range, and most people are probably in the same boat when you consider on average we drink (well should drink) 2litres a day of fluids.

[seanmiller]

This is fascinating reading... detailed history of aspartame...

http://www.rense.com/general67/rum.htm

Among the many charges FDA investigators made about Searle,s shoddy lab practices was how rats that developed tumors would undergo surgical removal of the tumors and then be placed back into the study as if nothing had happened to them.

Eek!!

Sean

[revolutionary_jam]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxVPgwU47xE