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joy division

10-05-2007, 05:05 PM

I honestly do not think there is any way of stopping the NWO and there Agenda. It has allready gone too far, the world's "governments" are too much controlled with the EU gaining momentum. The U.S attacking whome ever they choose. I really think we can not do enough to stop this future.

How can you stop something that controls the military and police and sets the laws, a little tweek here, a little tweek there and you and i could easily soon find ourselves in the brackets of Terrorist.

I am serious. Will i die before it flowers to its full, who knows.

edelweiss pirate

10-05-2007, 05:09 PM

It's only a reflection of who we all are at present...

If WE get better, the world will get better..

Some of us are getting better.

11kushna11

10-05-2007, 05:19 PM

I'm pretty sure you'll be OK... and perhaps thinking along these lines could be counterproductive? Not trying to say you're wrong, but I just think the 'NWO' is something that's bought more into effect and consciousness by the people who oppose it, since at the moment there isn't actually anything TO oppose.

So much hatred and fear directed towards something that's still entirely conceptual will make it more real than just enjoying the liberties that you do have and doing your own bit to make the world a better place on the path towards peace.

The EU are gaining momentum indeed but ultimately most of Europe are relatively harmless in terms of terrorism, global warfare etc. The UK are the real concern.

I also agree that the USA are a monster, answerable to nobody, but as yet they've only attacked 2 countries this century (and with provocation on their terms), so we're a while off descending into the gloomy depressive mess that people anticipate.

For the first time in our history most countries in the West are enjoying equal rights and freedoms regardless of race or gender; we have educational and social opportunities that would have been unthinkable 50 years ago and science is making leaps and bounds in discoveries and technology of late. People still believe in God, flowers still bloom and the sky is still blue. I think we should maybe concentrate on keeping it that way instead of waiting for it to be taken from us?

Just trying to offer a slightly less pessimistic oversight of this issue. But love to you and I hope you're OK whatever does materialise.

rossus

10-05-2007, 05:22 PM

i agree that it looks bad,
but i don't believe that it's all going to get more and more fucked for everyone.

everything is possible, miracles do happen.
open yourself to the possibility of positive change on a global scale,

but prepare yourself for the worst, and learn to love all that is now.

11kushna11

10-05-2007, 05:24 PM

What is it exactly that makes you feel this way rossus?

joy division

10-05-2007, 05:27 PM

So much hatred and fear directed towards something that's still entirely conceptual will make it more real than just enjoying the liberties that you do have and doing your own bit to make the world a better place on the path towards peace.

The EU are gaining momentum indeed but ultimately most of Europe are relatively harmless in terms of terrorism, global warfare etc. The UK are the real concern.

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Hey Kushna,

I hear what you are saying, but...

How long left until our liberties dissapear to a point that we have no liberties as such.

And for the EU being harmless in regards of terrorism etc, i dont see it like that. How i see it is Taking the world by force, the Nazis for e.g does not work as people will always rise to this, but if you tip toe your laws and rules by what seems the proper way through "politics" i.e the EU people will not see this as being forced to live a certain way.

ANd lets not forget, we allready have the World Army and Government in place. Nato and the UN.

11kushna11

10-05-2007, 05:40 PM

Hey joy, thanks for replying!

Nobody is forcing you to live a certain way I don't think... people do choose to behave in accordance with the laws and rules of governments, but how many of those people actually care? As long as they're comfortable, well fed and happy then that, for them, is life. And they'd be just as happy under the NWO. You can't wake people up if they enjoy sleeping too much. and I've learnt to stop trying.

For people like us, we do have a choice. You can go and live almost anywhere you want in the world, you can live in a hut in the woods under the jurisdriction of nobody but yourself if that represents freedom to you.

Yes we do live in an imperfect world but ultimately the UK, the US, Europe... they're just land masses under oppressive control and if we choose to live in them then we have to play by the rules... ultimately as long as you maintain your spiritual intregrity and do nothing to perpetrate or support the evils that do go on here, you'll get your just rewards. Positive thinking is a really powerful force :)

rossus

10-05-2007, 05:45 PM

What is it exactly that makes you feel this way rossus?
the earth is getting more and more destroyed,
every place on earth seems to be facing industrialization/westernization.

the places that are already industrialized/westernized, are under control of those with the most money (NWO, ILLUMINATI types)
we, the people, have to work harder and harder.
more and more stress is being put on us.

i see this is taking it's toll on everyone.
these days almost everyone seems to be unhappy, frustrated.

and we are living in some of the best places in the world. we aren't the ones being bombed to pieces.

the earth is being killed,
the animals are being killed,
we are being killed.

and the direction we are heading at, seems to be closer towards shit
instead of away from the shit. this is what makes me feel this way my friend.

i don't believe that there's no chance everything will all be allright again,
it just doesn't look like this will be any time soon. although it might.

don't get me wrong, i'm not depressed about it.
not all stories have a happy ending, and life on earth is just that... a story.

no need to take ourselves and the world we live in too seriously.
we all die anyway, and this earth was going to die sooner or later as well.

we have to make the best of it, and take life as it comes.

Anders Lindman

10-05-2007, 05:52 PM

joy division

10-05-2007, 05:52 PM

no need to take ourselves and the world we live in too seriously.
we all die anyway, and this earth was going to die sooner or later as well.

Hi Rossus,

I know i myself have said this sort of thing but i am not dead now so why should some "Bastards" control my life, so should we just say, yeh ill work for you 24 hours a day for £5.30 an hour cause im goner die anyway, Yes boss ill keep my mouth shut and not express what i really feel cause im going to die anyway......... etc..

rossus

10-05-2007, 06:06 PM

Hi Rossus,

I know i myself have said this sort of thing but i am not dead now so why should some "Bastards" control my life, so should we just say, yeh ill work for you 24 hours a day for £5.30 an hour cause im goner die anyway, Yes boss ill keep my mouth shut and not express what i really feel cause im going to die anyway......... etc..
god no :)
if that would be my mentality, i'd be better of to put a bullet to my head right now then.

my post was rather pointing at the way life seems to be unfolding on a global scale, in my view ofcourse.
i'll do all i can to make life unfold as pleasantly as possible for myself and the people around me.

submitting all my free will to a basterd who does not deserve it is not part of my plan, and i don't see the connection between that idea and what i stated in my previous post.

peace man :D

earthseed

10-05-2007, 06:06 PM

What's the saying darkness/bullies end up destroying themselves? Just think of consciousness as a loop this isn't the first time we've done this. The thing we need to try and do is to break out of this infinte loop of doing the same thing over and over. Evil empire after evil empire rising up and taking over the planet. Till they fall. Rest period. Than they build back up again. We need to 'spiral out' and keep going. Go beyond the bands like in Monroe's books. Hey why not shoot for the stars when you want something nothing can keep it from you. Only your own fear of torture and death. But, if you are infinite than such things will be your eternity if you don't finally say I don't care I'm going to do what I have to do to break this pattern. The body will always be against you in this but you have to attempt to not let your tool use you. Here are the ideals I'm not saying that it will work but you have to start somewhere when you want to pull yourself out of the pit.

freespark

10-05-2007, 06:24 PM

The current power pyramid is gaining power and centralization is seems, but all the secrets have created a monstrous web of lies that will become more and more burdensome for the elite to manage. So heavy is the web of lies, that, in my estimation, 99% of all their power has to be used just to hold that web intact enough. And as we move further in into the Information Age, their web of lies will simply collapse under its own rapidly increasing weight.

I'm not so sure about that. They own it all now. And i mean ALL. They are using these chaotic times to maximise thier power. But when it all turns to shit (collapse of the dollar/massive terrorist event/massive 'natural disaster' or whatever) they will be ready to clamp down.

This is what scares the shit out of me. They are just biding thier time until this 'event' happens and then it will all be out in the open. The lies and the bullshit are just there to keep us off the scent until this 'event'. After that...we will have even less and they will own us. They do now but soon it will be like master and slave stories. Out in the open style. 'What are you gonna do about it' style.

bigus_dickus

10-05-2007, 06:53 PM

turquoisefyre

10-05-2007, 06:56 PM

i think it'll go as far as we let it go. i'll also suggest the UK finds int's own Ron Paul, and in fcuking double quick time.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3604

the Brits have been cannon fodder for the Illuminati for centuries, being sent around the world raping and plundering and sreading that cancer known as Freemasonry.

concerning the NWO blooming or NOT, you get what you focus on, is my excuse...

bicycle

10-05-2007, 07:03 PM

All this negative stuff needs to be balanced by stuff you enjoy doing:)

Anders Lindman

10-05-2007, 07:29 PM

They own it all now.

The Illuminati control the whole power pyramid from the top. The pyramid has different levels where each level controls the levels below it. A higher level has knowledge/information that the levels below don't have. The higher the level in the pyramid, the more secrets are kept.

This kind of control only works for rigid hierarchical structures. In a network structure, nodes within the network can still hold secret information, but that information cannot be used for controlling other nodes in the network since the whole function of a network is based on the information going into and out from nodes which therefore per definition cannot be secret.

The human brain is an example of a network structure. Even though there are probably some forms of hierarchical structures in the brain, the overall structure is a massively interconnected network of neurons (nodes).

Our society is moving into more and more network-like structures, and the rigid power-over pyramid that the Illuminati control is not up to the task and able to handle these complex networks now emerging in society. Hierarchical structures will still be needed, but as supportive social frameworks rather than as means of power.

adramelech

10-05-2007, 09:17 PM

I feel it's perfectly natural to feel overwhelmed when facing a massive, 6000 year-old pathocracy - the essentials of which date back into pre-history, our origin as a species and our genetic code. It helps to view history in context, and understand that the entire human saga on this planet is, geologically speaking, the proverbial shaving of a fingernail.

While it may seem like "forever" to us and completely insurmountable, everything that has, is and will occur is completely within the scope of Earth's natural cycles, despite unnatural attempts to warp them. Creation is cyclical, yes, but that doesn't mean it occurs without effort.

Regular people make up the majority of the world under a pathocracy, and thus the majority of the manpower necessary to fascilitate it. Any action taken against the controlling element will create a change, even something as simple as making a post on a message board.

llogun

10-05-2007, 11:01 PM

I think we are just a part of the puzzle that will be a great help to the outcome. But i dont think we will do it on our own.There must be something out there that will give us that push to freedom. Who it will be i dont know. The illuminati have got there times and dates as to what they want to achieve and they will do there best to get it. Are they such a bully know one can take them on.
This universe is so big and vast with so many dimensions are we really on our own to sort it all out without help, i dont know
If we are on our own we have got so many years to get our act together and sort things out. Theres a old saying do or die.

king

10-05-2007, 11:25 PM

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10-05-2007, 11:46 PM

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auron

11-05-2007, 12:03 AM

I reckon nature has a plan. Maybe that all at the same time, everyone holding a weapon in war will drop down dead at the same time, due to some virus or something. The only ones left will be free thinking people with brains.

Who is going to be killing each other then? Just a dream lol. :D

11kushna11

11-05-2007, 09:57 AM

Many will recall that on July 2, 1947, witnesses claimed that an unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep and cattle ranch just outside of Roswell, New Mexico. This is a well-known UFO incident that has long been covered up by the United States Air Force and our federal government. However, what you may NOT know is that in the month of March 1948 (nine months after that historic day), George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfield, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Condoleeza Rice, and Dan Quayle were all born! This piece of information may clear up a lot of things!

Dude...

Condolezza Rice was born in November 1954.
George W Bush was born in July 1946.
Dick Cheney was born January 1941.
Bill O'Reilly was born September 1949.
Rush Linbaugh, January 1951.
Rumsfeld: July 1932...

Sorry, I don't want to piss all over a good conspiracy but where exactly did you read that they were all born in the same month? Couldn't find anything about it in the link you posted! Educate me if I'm wrong. :)

yinon

11-05-2007, 10:01 AM

when the people at the bottom of the pyramid are united as one... (which means love, support and help each other as brothers)

...then the power structure gets reversed.

observe the current "top" brotherhoods and how they support each other to get a clue.

the challenge is, how are we going to do that? we want it, don't we?

Yes we need a miracle.
How? In speaking the truth without fears and supporting each others. We can only do it if we face the huge wave coming together... if not we retreat in the mountains and teach our kids how to survive.
2 paths ahead...We retreat or we face the challenge as one

auron

11-05-2007, 10:05 AM

Whatever happens will happen! Just relax, then when the shit hits the fan just go with your intuition! You will be wherever you are meant to be.

:cool:

yinon

11-05-2007, 10:15 AM

Whatever happens will happen! Just relax, then when the shit hits the fan just go with your intuition! You will be wherever you are meant to be.

Our civilization face the End another time. Another huge destruction ahead. I don't think that we gonna be their slaves. The main bug is the climate.