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lumukanda
10-05-2007, 09:35 AM
something that i have been reading up about lately is shamanic illness.

Intwaso: Shamanic initiatory illness
In many cultures, people who become healers or shamans do not do so by choice. They are struck by a serious and debilitating illness. Severe physical symptoms and unusual dreams or waking visions indicate that the person is being called to undergo initiation as a shamanic healer (Kalweit, 1988). It is therefore a shamanic initiatory illness (Lukoff, 1990-1991).

If sufferers accept the call and go through the process of training, they emerge as shamanic healers (Xhosa = amagqira; Zulu = isangoma). If they do not, the illness is unlikely to be cured. They may even die. Among the Xhosa and Zulu, this illness is called intwaso (having the illness is called ukuthwasa kwegqira: to emerge as a healer).

It is believed to have been sent by ancestors who have chosen the person to undergo initiation as a healer. The initiation involves training in work with altered states of consciousness. These abilities will help them to diagnose and treat illnesses and generally help their community. Four features of this training illustrate the transpersonal aspects of the process and the importance of altered states of consciousness:

Importance of dreams: Images which indicate contact with the spirit world, for example, of ancestors are regarded as very significant.
Performance of rituals: As a means of honouring and communicating with the ancestors. Many rituals involve going to the river and leaving offerings to the river people (Buhrmann, 1986). The river people are not literally in the river of ordinary reality, but in a river in the non-ordinary world that can be visited in dreams and other altered states. Rituals provide a way of working on the boundary between the two realities.
Entering altered states of consciousness: Assisted by a group of people who are clapping, chanting and drumming. In this state they may hear voices guiding them or giving them advice. These voices are attributed to the river people. They may also see images or feel sensations in their bodies which give them information about what is wrong in the patient’s body (Thorpe, 1982). They may also enter a possession trance and utter a stream of words, often very quickly, as if beyond conscious control, which provide information about the problem.
Extra-sensory perception is used to obtain information about what is wrong with the patient and how it can be cured. This is facilitated by the altered state.
African traditional healers do not attribute all psychotic symptoms to intwaso. Some are attributed to spirit possession illnesses such as amafufunyana and others to madness (phambana). Like shamans worldwide, however, they believe that in cases of intwaso it is possible to create a safe place where the person can experience these altered states under guidance. The person will then emerge stronger, healthier and able to offer wisdom and healing to the community.

Although intwaso is considered a culture-bound syndrome, shamanic initiatory illnesses are found all over the world, for example in Siberia and among Native Americans. They are not even confined to traditional rural and pre-industrial societies. Even though, in Europe, the shamanic tradition was suppressed centuries ago, some Westerners who develop psychotic illnesses may themselves be undergoing a shamanic initiatory illness. This is best treated in the way African traditional healers work with people with intwaso.

Grof & Grof write, ‘We have seen instances where modern Americans, Europeans, Australians and Asians have experienced episodes that bore a close resemblance to shamanic crises’. They call the process spiritual emergence. Although not writing from an African perspective, this is virtually a direct translation of intwaso. The DSM system has been criticised (Lukoff, 1985; Lukoff, Lu and Turner, 1992) because it does not provide any account of this type of process.


http://www.health24.com/mind/Culturebound_syndromes/1284-1304,13258.asp

The following describes the illness of the Shaman.


" Unlike the medicine man, the Shaman's adoption of his profession is in many cases not voluntary. The future Shaman's experience of being called seems frequently to consist in a compulsive state from which he sees no other means of escape than to 'Shamanize'. It is often clear, particularly from reports from Siberia, that the man who is to become a Shaman consciously does not wish to do so at all, but is driven and forced to it by the 'spirits', and finally, in order not to perish, takes the only path open to him and becomes a Shaman. The future Shaman, the young man suited for Shamanizing, is a sick man. He suffers from psychopathic or epileptic states and is very often also physically ill. He cannot escape the demands of the spirits, which drive him deeper and deeper into the illness, although he very often tries to resist. He gets into a situation, into a mental illness, from which he can find no way out but death or the assumption of the office of Shaman."

( p, 11. Lommel:1967.)

The above statement is illuminating in a number of ways. Firstly, note the equating of Shamanism and death. The initiate's choice establishes the relationship between Shamanism and death. The meaning of Shamanism becomes the intention of death for the initiate.

Secondly, the Shaman's sickness, from the western cultural perspective, is seen as psychotic. Psychosis has, traditionally, a preferential value connotation in that is seen only as the inability to relate to normal reality. But it is also the entering into another, albeit unacceptable, reality.

The third aspect has often been ignored. This refers to the observation that the Shaman cannot choose his illness and has no alternative but to Shamanise in order to "heal" himself. This points towards the facticity of the non-egocentric and non-self-centred mode of existence which is the very prefiguring of the Shamanic experience. The cogent point is that the Shaman does not function within a world which exists according to the rules of normal reality. The Shaman and Shamanic illness are a radical move away from the rule of self and subject orientated existence which forms the foundations of the modern western perception of reality. For the anthropologist this fact appears as evidence of a loss of will and a negative form of possession viewed with a sort of horror by the Western analyst.

Furthermore, the mundane perspective of reality is flawed in that it is a perspective, an illusion, a projection from a dualistic mode of perception. Therefore, the Shamanic world and the discussion of illness must be entered into with a careful eye for the western presuppositions that relate the Shamanic world always to the rules and norms of the contemporary and " modern" perspectives.

It is this loss of centrality, seen in popular theory as uncertainty, that is in fact that mirrors the crisis in the western world. The crisis is not so much the loss of centre but rather a clinging to the need for centrality and a stability aligned with the self. What is seen to be an illness is revealed as a fear, a fear of discovery of a world not in control of the self. A further aspect which compounds the complexity of Shamanic illness and death is the primary nature of Shamanic trance as suggested by Eliade. In other words, Shamanism cannot be seen in its totality as a phenomenon conditioned by societal and cultural parameters. Rather, according to Eliade, it is a "primary phenomenon." An analysis and comparison of this phenomenon leads to an understanding of "`meaning" rather than to "a typology or morphology of religious data." (Jones.R.: 1968 )
It is something that occurs without a necessary relatedness to society, history or culture. This area situates Shamanism as a purely experiential event.

http://www.futureshock.co.za/page3.htm

the thing that interests me the most is the fact that very often the shaman to be has no interest in becoming a shaman, it is in fact something that chooses him or her. the illness makes them aware of the fact that they are to be chosen, there are only 2 choices, shaman or death.
i often wonder how many 'psychotics' out there are truly shamans without giudance, destined to be locked up for life, guys like those crazy hobo's down the road, speaking to people that are not there.
of course they could just be crazy, but no one truly is, they are simply living in a different reality.

aventurine
10-05-2007, 01:08 PM
Although I'm not a shaman, some of this reminds me of my own experiences with the Kundalini energies which give me a major "blast" every now & then. When I have one of these episodes, it is usually to bring up & release some emotional aspects in my life that have profoundly affected me, and that I have tried to bury. It has given me quite severe physical symptoms such as nausea, insomnia, weightloss, aches & pains and feverishness. Plus I get increased psychic perception, which almost drives you crazy all by itself at night!

You definately feel like you're going out of your mind throughout this....but at least I had read about it & had other's to support me through it when it happened to me the first time. Goodness knows how frightening it must be for those that have no warning whatsoever.:eek: They must feel like they have some severe disease or are on the verge of dying!!

I suppose though, that in order for us to be healers and to help others, we need to heal ourselves first, and this is all part of the process.

Interesting stuff.:)

rossus
10-05-2007, 11:18 PM
my friend says he is kind of a naturalborn shaman.
since he was 10 years old or so he was already reading books about forests and spirits and wanted to know everything there was to learn about this world.

he was raised as jehova witness, but started questioning his faith during puberty.
at around 18 years old, he had what he says the worst period of his life...

at that age he had the choice to join the good side or the dark side.
since he did not believe there is a god, the idea to become a drugdealer or an illuminati type shaman dude was very appealing to him.

after a couple of mindexpanding experiencing on mushrooms, he came to the conclusion that there are spirits out there that seem to be calling him.

they offer him spiritual power, such as controlling other person's and animal's minds.
he describes these spirits as "evil beings", and when they give him a certain power... they take something away from him in return to get power over him.

he says that shamanism is very risky business, and that most if not all get deceived and taken advantage of by spiritualbeings.
he is now 25 and is a very smart dude, who decided not to take the offer to become a shaman. he stopped using psychedelics alltogether and is now a firm believer in Jehova Witness religion-style.

There were some mysterious deaths and murders in his family. His mom, dad & sis are all "special" people who got some kind of connection to the paranormal.
He's got a "weird" family :p

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everything stated above is how he explains it to me.
i don't think "shamanism" is evil per sé. maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
i just don't know enough about the subject so,

i don't know :)

auron
11-05-2007, 12:18 AM
If you want to read about a true shaman, look up Maria Sabina. She certainly was no evil person. She spent her whole life healing people with mushrooms.

http://www.erowid.org/culture/characters/sabina_maria/sabina_maria.shtml

Then read this great article:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_article6.shtml

Auron :)

tru3
11-05-2007, 04:49 AM
Although I'm not a shaman, some of this reminds me of my own experiences with the Kundalini energies which give me a major "blast" every now & then. When I have one of these episodes, it is usually to bring up & release some emotional aspects in my life that have profoundly affected me, and that I have tried to bury. It has given me quite severe physical symptoms such as nausea, insomnia, weightloss, aches & pains and feverishness. Plus I get increased psychic perception, which almost drives you crazy all by itself at night!

You definately feel like you're going out of your mind throughout this....but at least I had read about it & had other's to support me through it when it happened to me the first time. Goodness knows how frightening it must be for those that have no warning whatsoever.:eek: They must feel like they have some severe disease or are on the verge of dying!!

I suppose though, that in order for us to be healers and to help others, we need to heal ourselves first, and this is all part of the process.

Interesting stuff.:)

kundalini blowout can definitely cause psychosis, usually temporary. ime, forcing the kundalini to rise artificially is very dodgy, indeed. just like with any kind of consciousness expanding experience, grounding is essential.

you're spot on in the last paragraph. :)

they offer him spiritual power, such as controlling other person's and animal's minds.
he describes these spirits as "evil beings", and when they give him a certain power... they take something away from him in return to get power over him.

he says that shamanism is very risky business, and that most if not all get deceived and taken advantage of by spiritualbeings.
he is now 25 and is a very smart dude, who decided not to take the offer to become a shaman. he stopped using psychedelics alltogether and is now a firm believer in Jehova Witness religion-style.

rossus, after working with various (what we shall broadly define as) shamanic modalities over the last 15 years, it is my belief and experience that no one can be harmed if they cultivate a combination of 3 things:

1)consciously intended harmlessness.
2)the realization that the bodymind is a communication device.
3)the will to stop identifying with observed phenomena and abide as the witness/ground of Being.

to me, it's all about including the connection to and integration of different dimensions and facets of Self, and at the same time transcending the notion of a separate egoic identity.

with this as a foundation, much profound healing work can be done.

Sandra Ingerman explains to us that, "Shamans heal emotional and physical illness by working with the spiritual aspects of illness. There are three common causes of illness from the shaman's view. First, a person may have lost his or her power, causing depression, chronic illness, or a series of misfortunes. In this case, the shaman journeys to restore that person's lost power. Or a person may have lost part of their soul or essence, causing soul loss,, which sometimes occurs during an emotional or physical trauma, such as accidents, surgery, abuse, the trauma of war, being in a natural disaster, or other traumatic circumstances. This soul loss leads to disassociation, post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, illness, immune deficiency problems, addictions, unending grief, or coma. It is the role of the shaman to track down parts that have fled and have been lost due to trauma by performing a soul retrieval ceremony. The thirds cause of illness from a shaman's perspective would be any spiritual blockages or negative energies that a client has taken on due to loss of his or her power. These spiritual blockages also cause illness, usually in a localized area of the body. It is the role of the shaman to extract and remove these harmful energies from the body."

http://www.shamansociety.org/what.html

now, i can vouch from personal experience, that soul retrieval/empowerment work can be very profound. my wife contracted bell's palsey just before we travelled halfway across the country to attend an empowerment.

normally, bell's palsy takes months to dissipate (some kind of virus/microbe, supposedly). 10 days after her soul recognition, it had completely disappeared. her doctor said he had never seen such a rapid recovery. :)

http://www.soulsupportsystems.org/page/902675

i also understand somewhat about being "chosen". in a long tradition, what are called "siddhis" in asia, arise unbidden and unasked for.

in my own case, due to the manner in which i approach things, it appeared to me that the outer phenomenon was being projected from the mind, and echoed back from the collective unconscious. because my emotional body is like a piece of swiss cheese from years of emotional abuse as a child, i am very much a lone wolf in my own practise. i am very humble when it comes to knowing/owning my shadow; my own integrity as a healer demands it.

I have participated in group situations where we were clearing energy blocks that went back 6 or 7 generations. after all, we keep going on and on about dna as a sophisticated radio antennae, but that's precisely where and in what manner those voices and sensations are being received. there very literally are 'shadows of forgotten ancestors' in constant contact with those of us here on this plane.

and at the same time, my intuition tells me that these "entities" and "ancestors" are not who they appear to be. imho, the rabbit hole is much, much deeper than any of us have glimpsed.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11419&highlight=georg+groddeck#post11419

gaias child
24-03-2011, 10:45 AM
Interesting thread