how to answer NWO-skeptics

[warrior]

How would you reply to people on a forum (not just this forum, any forum) who don't believe there is a NWO, or don't believe that their is a power elite manipulating events collectively, rather than as individual business interests. What websites are documentaries would you feel best make the arguement that the global elite are working together and there is a NWO?

[graflok]

I don't bother with people who say they "don't believe." It's a waste of time in
my opinion because "I don't believe" means "I don't want to know." It means
"I have this fixed view of the world and what you're saying doesn't fit into it."

If someone is genuinely interested in learning more about a certain, specific
topic and asks for a reference I will give them a link or two on that topic.

But, I don't waste time with the "I don't believe" people. They are too brain
washed and they won't read the references you give them anyway. They're
not even trying to know anything about their world. They are in a sealed bubble.

It's really not a matter of belief or non-belief, it's a matter of seeing or not seeing.
Or, at least trying to see.

"Belief" is just a mindset and has nothing to do with it.

graflok

[lenejento]

I don't bother with people who say they "don't believe." It's a waste of time in
my opinion because "I don't believe" means "I don't want to know." It means
"I have this fixed view of the world and what you're saying doesn't fit into it."

If someone is genuinely interested in learning more about a certain, specific
topic and asks for a reference I will give them a link or two on that topic.

But, I don't waste time with the "I don't believe" people. They are too brain
washed and they won't read the references you give them anyway. They're
not even trying to know anything about their world. They are in a sealed bubble.

It's really not a matter of belief or non-belief, it's a matter of seeing or not seeing.
Or, at least trying to see.

"Belief" is just a mindset and has nothing to do with it.

graflok

Agree! But sometimes I slip in little facts that might make them think, like today I told my parents that even Sainsbury's are tipping people to not give kids products containing Aspartame because it's a neurotoxin, so it's quite widely known now that it's harmful. Even told them that it's a good ant killer. This might (and probably will) activate some questions on the back of their mind like, why would the authorities allow poison in our supermarkets? What does this mean? Hopefully... So I don't have to go into a discussion about it.

How would you reply to people on a forum (not just this forum, any forum) who don't believe there is a NWO, or don't believe that their is a power elite manipulating events collectively, rather than as individual business interests. What websites are documentaries would you feel best make the arguement that the global elite are working together and there is a NWO?

On the NWO, this is a pretty clear clip :D
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7475058842483690689&q=george+bush+New+World+Order&hl=en

But how we can make them see that they're ALL in on it together, I don't know.

[celtic isis]

Agree! But sometimes I slip in little facts that might make them think, like today I told my parents that even Sainsbury's are tipping people to not give kids products containing Aspartame because it's a neurotoxin, so it's quite widely known now that it's harmful. Even told them that it's a good ant killer. This might (and probably will) activate some questions on the back of their mind like, why would the authorities allow poison in our supermarkets? What does this mean? Hopefully... So I don't have to go into a discussion about it.



On the NWO, this is a pretty clear clip :D
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7475058842483690689&q=george+bush+New+World+Order&hl=en

But how we can make them see that they're ALL in on it together, I don't know.


good work lenejento :D

I've tried this myself for months on a site called handbag where i started a thread coevering all this and boy was it a nightmare. As one person from this forum said, are the minds ever shackled over there, lol and that describes it perfectly.

People just don't want to know, they just can't comprehend that things in the world don't just happen 'by accident' that they are all completely random and that's it a big bad world we live just cause, 'that that's just how the world is'...omg that last line gets me every time! No this isn't just cause it's the way the world is, the world have been created this way, it's been manipulated to be this way...it falls on deaf ears cause people just don't want to face that our world leaders are not our protectors and that there could be somehting else behind everything. That it's been calculated in some way withotu their knowledge. Cause well, if it hasn"t been onthe news it hasn't happened right? The news is all fact after all...

i was reading Icke's book Tales from the Time Loop last night, i just finished it but of course, i have to read it again there's so much, but anyway, Icke found out about the NWO and all when he couldn't figure out why the esoteric truths and ancient knowledge abotu who are are etc was being surpressed at every corner when religion and science had free reign...of course, we all know whay this is but like, most of people haven't a clue what is going on. They don't question anything and it is so sad.

I've really tried to do a lot at waking people up, just by informing the best way i can at every opportunity but like, emails etc you never get a response from anyone, people just don't want to know anything uncomfortable or anything they will have to stand up and fight for, particulary to fight for it because it is right and it is the right thing to do. Which is what keeps me passionate about it, people have to see our world leaders for what they really are, cause well, it won't be long before that hand that is patting those people on the back saying everything will be ok, we'll take care of it for you so you can go watch Eastenders, while the other hand preparing to stab those people (and us) in the back is getting close and closer every day...

You know, as wonderful as icke is, he has done us no favours by talking about the reptilian stuff so soon. i mean, anything in this world is possible, an di do think the reptilian bloodline thing makes sense but it's dosn't matter if there is an alien/reptilian race the DNA of the Gods controlling everything, Icke voices the NWO so well but like, he's completely descredited himself by talking about this, so when people like us try and wake our fellow brothers and sisters up, we end up having to defend icke as not being a nutter all the while. And the only thing people talk about is the reptilian thing. It's so frustrating!!!!

i started off so well on that thread, trying to put everything in a very clear plauseable way for them to get it, but in the end it turned into a big slanging match...it got about 18,000 views though, so that's good and i know some people have started their own journeys now for the truth, and i'm proud of that. I almost got an ulcer from it, nevermind the ulcer would've been an illusion, it almost caused me one anyway lol and illusion or not, that wouldn't have been good. :D

Fair play to you lenejento for pointing out the aspartame, i hope it will make people question it. however, i've found you have to spell it out in black and white for most people. I'll have to go back to dale carnegie books and learn to be more diplomatic! lol try and make them thik they've thought th idea or concept up themselves...ah it ain't easy though.

good luck guys, it's coming on here, on this forum that gives me hope! :)

[tinmenace]

How would you reply to people on a forum (not just this forum, any forum) who don't believe there is a NWO, or don't believe that their is a power elite manipulating events collectively, rather than as individual business interests. What websites are documentaries would you feel best make the arguement that the global elite are working together and there is a NWO?

I'd tell them to read The Biggest Secret (http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=12). The key to them understanding the truth is to uncover it themselves. We can lead people to the door, but they must walk through it themselves. Anything less than that could become indoctrination.

People must want to know the truth, first of all. The desire must be present. And, from my experience, if they prove it to themselves, then they will understand it and believe it.

Some people don't want to know the truth. I never waste too much time on them. Time is short and we don't have too much time to turn this thing around. So, spend your time and effort on those that are in search of the truth. Usually all they need is to be pointed in the right direction, and they'll find their own way from there.

[john white]

You know, as wonderful as icke is, he has done us no favours by talking about the reptilian stuff so soon. i mean, anything in this world is possible, an di do think the reptilian bloodline thing makes sense but it's dosn't matter if there is an alien/reptilian race the DNA of the Gods controlling everything, Icke voices the NWO so well but like, he's completely descredited himself by talking about this, so when people like us try and wake our fellow brothers and sisters up, we end up having to defend icke as not being a nutter all the while. And the only thing people talk about is the reptilian thing. It's so frustrating!!!!

"Even the very wise cannot see all ends"

Here's something:

In 1994 I did a weekend workshop with Icke in south Wales. He'd just published "days of decision" (a lovely little book that unfortunately I lost my copy of some time ago) and was putting together "The Robots Rebellion": so he was talking about material he was compiling for that over the weekend

Almost all of the 40 or so people on the workshop said (during tea breaks):

"I wish Icke wouldnt talk about this New World Order stuff, he'll discredit himself!"

Absolutely true that is

However we feel about the reptillians (and its cast iron provable as mythologically and metaphorically true) its caught people attention, and whether they accept or reject that facet, there's all the rest to run past their consciousness and even if they reject it, they can't unread it: some seeds lie fallow for many years. There's plenty of people who went "microchips? NFW!" in the mid nineties who are now going "WTF!!!?" now

Besides, its not about Icke: hes just one man showing what just one man can do

Its about us: what conversations have we had? What have we shown that WE can do?

The ground is fertile and rich for planting, the crop grows quickly, tall and strong:

Of this, we should have no doubt

And finally, this is not about convincing someone that Icke will tell them what is what: its about talking to people about OUR truth and inviting them to tell us THEIR truth, and building unity where we agree: there's always something that will pop a bubble of the "official illusion" somehwere

[infinitetruth]

I think the main thing you can do is plant the seed of doubt. Don't explain yourself just give a hint and then leave it alone. For instance 4 years ago I sent an email to all those I knew about 9/11 and david icke. Today one of those people have come back to me wanting to find out more. They agree with me and want to talk with me about important issues. I feel that is a massive step. People are frightened to think differently you have to show them the door, only they can walk through and decide to research the truth for themselves.
So the only thing you can do IMO is say 'what if blah blah.' 'what if he's right?' -'I reakon there is some truth to it' etc etc. Keep dropping hints as much as you can - without persuading or preaching. Those people may or may not come back with questions, if they do then great...if they don't then it's only a matter of time:)