Do we even want the economy to improve?

[smurf]

Think about it. If things were to go back to normal, people would praise the government for fixing it for us, giving it all the credit, and just go on to blindly follow it with even more faith.

If things continue the way they are though, the system will collapse. Maybe that isn't such a bad thing.

[cruise4]

Agreed. Current ideas on 'economy' have to be forcibly revealed as a total fraud, corruption and criminal enterprise. Until these fruits suffer, there isn't even a chance of change. 'They' make it this way.

[largejack]

Either way, it's a no win, no win situation for us :confused:

[tracker]

Either way, it's a no win, no win situation for us :confused:



Well , despite the fact many will suffer
maybe they might learn something here .

you cant own land
it belongs to the earth :cool:

also

people should learn to live within their means instead of being materialistic beyond their means .

quite frankly , hardly any of this designed economy crash has touched me at all.:D

sometimes a good kick up the butt is exactly whats needed
im not droping tears over it , and quite frankly , if people ae going to sucker up to a few up top , they deserve what they get for being so bloody lazy minded .

:cool:

[drhemp]

Think about it. If things were to go back to normal, people would praise the government for fixing it for us, giving it all the credit, and just go on to blindly follow it with even more faith.

If things continue the way they are though, the system will collapse. Maybe that isn't such a bad thing.

You're right. Now the economy is screwed, Ministers would have the sheeple believe this is all down to world events that are completely beyond their control, as soon as the situation changes those smug gits will be telling it is because of their wonderful policies.

[signalnorth]

I know that the general consensus on this forum is that the elite plan a deliberate collpase of the economy but I wonder. I wonder because surely there are just too many uncontrolable variables in such a crash.

Just a thought

[bicycle]

Depends on how dependent you are on the system. Personaly I think its gonna be great fun especially watching all you lazy motorists bitch and moan as they squeeze yer balls ever tighter:D:D

[the itinerant shrubber]

I dont want it to return to normal.I'm enjoying everyone getting their balls squeezed. I dont have a pension scheme,I live in a council house so no mortgage and I work in the NHS so I'm hardly going to be layed off.
The greedy fucks that have mortgaged themselves up to the hilt and fooled themselves into thinking that having pension schemes and being owned by the bank will somehow make themselves more secure from lifes ravages are starting to realize theyve been fucked over.Not that they'll ever realise it's a scam of course.

[rossus]

the economy sucks big time.
the only way to have it going good, is when business is going really good.

when business is going really good, this means more resources are stolen from the earth
more trees are chopped, more pollution.

so basically we need to drop the ecomony and the profit based society we live in,
and start producing only the necessary.

[norton]

some nice sentiments off some very understanding people here. so people who WANT to pay there own way in this life DESERVE to be punished? People who pay for their own homes and cars deserve everything that's going to happen? how kind. i certainly hope your families and friends with mortgage(s) and vehicles can turn to you when the time comes, or, judging by what you say, you 'll just give them a swift kick in the knackers and laugh

[disorder2k8]

the crash is only effecting people with a lot of large assets, and stored money
so i'm not seeing any of its effects either.

though apparently my father said he has a large amount of cash saved for me, inheritance etc, but he wont listen to me when i tell him to take it out :(

[duckingdafta]

This crash is absolutely brilliant.. you won't know it at first, but when human instincts kick in and realize a lot of what wasn't needed you'll be a lot happier person. A few members on this forum have been saying this crash is inevitable and going to happen for a month or so now and it soon brought out those with money showing panic like "the strong will survive" and "it's all a game".. well now the elite a finding that life isn't a game played with admiralty rules. If you're skint, yeah, it'll get worse, but if you're wealthy, I think you'll have a harder time adjusting to how you will have to live from now on without the greed.

[tracker]

life can be lived with out cars
money
materialisic posessions , and the more people that learn that , the better .

i cant help it if so many lazy minded people couldnt be bothered to research in their own time to gain a better knowledge of survival beyond the system .

i am a family man , who worked, and researched and expeiemented all in my own time off my own back for the sake of my cildren .
why ?

because i love them .

yes its going to it home hard .

tough poo !

wake up and do something about it .
dont keep rellying on governement and others to help you .
it is your duty as an adult to do so .

( this is directed at some one who didnt like the hard truth )
sorry guys .
just the facts .

[tracker]

the crash is only effecting people with a lot of large assets, and stored money
so i'm not seeing any of its effects either.

though apparently my father said he has a large amount of cash saved for me, inheritance etc, but he wont listen to me when i tell him to take it out :(


disorder ?

try other knowledges other than money . see the survival thread .
its a good read and does more than money .
sorry to hear that your father will not listen to you .
truly .

[duckingdafta]

life can be lived with out cars
money
materialisic posessions , and the more people that learn that , the better .

i cant help it if so many lazy minded people couldnt be bothered to research in their own time to gain a better knowledge of survival beyond the system .

i am a family man , who worked, and researched and experimented all in my own time off my own back for the sake of my cildren .
why ?

because i love them .

yes its going to it home hard .

tough poo !

wake up and do something about it .
dont keep rellying on governement and others to help you .
it is your duty as an adult to do so .

( this is directed at some one who didnt like the hard truth )
sorry guys .
just the facts .

I like this especially as one argument I get is "It can't be done as I have kids", not realizing I have 4 myself and various ages from 8 wk to 18 yr.

It CAN be done and is being done by many...it's a mindset not a need for greed

[tracker]

I like this especially as one argument I get is "It can't be done as I have kids", not realizing I have 4 myself and various ages from 8 wk to 18 yr.

It CAN be done and is being done by many...it's a mindset not a need for greed

too true duckingdafta .

thats wh i did it instead of spending my cash down the pub or chinese .
i spent many many man hours on it , sacrificed my time and some money on it .

see the thread

servival list .
its brilliant !

i hate hearing people too say they cant because they have kids .
its the very reason why they should !

typical lazy people is what it is always expecting army handouts
or government solutions .

typical sheeple herple people .

[the itinerant shrubber]

some nice sentiments off some very understanding people here. so people who WANT to pay there own way in this life DESERVE to be punished? People who pay for their own homes and cars deserve everything that's going to happen? how kind. i certainly hope your families and friends with mortgage(s) and vehicles can turn to you when the time comes, or, judging by what you say, you 'll just give them a swift kick in the knackers and laugh

I pay for my home and my car and I also know that mortgages are a form of indentured servitude to the banking cartels. Do you think the government push mortgages on us for our own good? They're there to insure a servile,obedient population.Once they have the mortgage rope around your balls,they can squeeze as much as they want until you do as you're told.
Mortgages are fine if you know what you're doing and can play the system but most people have mindlessly bought into the myth that "owning" your own home is the ultimate dream.People have mortgaged themselves way out of their depth.Their guillibility and greed is not my fault or my problem.

[wazaaap]

If you have a mortgage you don't have any rights to your home. FACT.

Should we be worried? only if you have a mortgage.

You need to read your terms and conditions.

A house is a liability but is your banks biggest asset! - why is this? because they have the right to reclaim it if you cant pay for the mortgage. or in times of liquidation of the company, they can use it as collateral to pay of there debts.

[duckingdafta]

some nice sentiments off some very understanding people here. so people who WANT to pay there own way in this life DESERVE to be punished?

nobody deserves to be punished as nobody forced you into debt.. many years people who are on the property ladder and have good jobs have done nothing but ridicule the unemployed and claimed they are supporting them, now they are finding out those unemployed are more resourceful than you imagined.. so your panic sets in. ...you'll find the unemployed are in actual fact better off than you as their household debt will be a few grand for bills and fuel, (not exactly the illusion of plasma and playstations you are told by the sun). Where as many are scared that they cannot pay the 100's of thousands they owe. so in my eye's, those who never could save and just survive day by day have more of a chance at doing so now...as you others owe too much too that society you supported all these years of abusing the less fortunate.

{idea heard from radio last night} If you want to find your true worth.. take any bank note to any bank and ask for it as the bearer to be exchanged ... see what you get... it is based on a promise of the straw man, and you don't control your straw man as it was made on your behalf when you joined the system.

[tracker]

nobody deserves to be punished as nobody forced you into debt.. many years people who are on the property ladder and have good jobs have done nothing but ridicule the unemployed and claimed they are supporting them, now they are finding out those unemployed are more resourceful than you imagined.. so your panic sets in. ...you'll find the unemployed are in actual fact better off than you as their household debt will be a few grand for bills and fuel, (not exactly the illusion of plasma and playstations you are told by the sun). Where as many are scared that they cannot pay the 100's of thousands they owe. so in my eye's, those who never could save and just survive day by day have more of a chance at doing so now...as you others owe too much too that society you supported all these years of abusing the less fortunate.

{idea heard from radio last night} If you want to find your true worth.. take any bank note to any bank and ask for it as the bearer to be exchanged ... see what you get... it is based on a promise of the straw man, and you don't control your straw man as it was made on your behalf when you joined the system.


lol duck :D

but its true though isnt it ?
all these fancy car , 4X4 gas guzzling look down their noses at unemployed people and bottom classes ,

are now going to find out
that like many poor people , that sometimes , the opotunity can miss you entirely , or even be out of your control .

and yes , alot of unemployed people ill find this easier than those who go out to large restoraunts , have flash cars and think they are just the lords of the manner .
quite frankly , alot of them deserve this crash !:D
you wont find me loosing any sleep .

[synergy777]

remember that the collapse is being controlled , the elite are in full control. its meant to happen, the banks always win. what you will see is consolidation, the consolidation of power. banks will merge with others, thus creating bigger, more powerful banks. do not fall for the hype, the elite are not losing anything, its the common man who is losing his pensions, savings, property etc. the elite are not losing, they are collecting.

what i do is think opposite, eg think like an evil, meglomanic person, eg elite. think like the elite, see all angles, get into their shoes. this is party time for them. when i mean elite, i mean the real owners of the banks, not the traders, bankers etc.

the real power, those who do not feature in the media.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=9350

Is the Illuminati Provoking Economic Collapse?

by Henry Makow Ph.D. – Sept. 15, 2008


(Remembering Svali's Words)

We may be on the verge of a stock market crash reminiscent of 1929.

I was watching CNBC when the news came across that Moody's had downgraded the Insurance giant AIG (American International Group.) This company was already on the ropes Monday when its stock crumbled to $4.75 from $11, %60 in one day. It was down from a $70 52-week-high. The company had gone to the Fed for a bailout. It was estimated it needed $40 billion.

Because of the Moody's downgrade, it emerges that it will need alot more money to avert bankruptcy. This is a massive company that holds the pensions of millions of employees. A money manager estimated that a trillion dollars would be lost if AIG declares bankruptcy. The whole world financial system could be taken down. He said banks in the Far East were already acting like this is inevitable, and the collapse already has been set in motion.

As you can imagine, the CNBC commentators were frantic. One demanded to know how the Fed can allow this to happen. "We know they print money," he said. Another wondered if the States whose pension funds were held by AIG could organize a bailout. Not enough time, he was told.

The bottom line is that Tuesday and the rest of this week could be ugly so be prepared. The second bottom line is that this Depression like the last appears to be caused by a deliberate contraction of credit. House prices are falling because banks don't have the money to lend to house buyers. As a result, portfolios holding mortgage backed securities are tumbling, taking banks with them. The Fed, after bailing out Fannie May and Fredie Mack, have let Lehman Brothers fail. AIG appears to be next and the dominoes will continue to fall.

At this time, it is important to remember that an Illuminati defector known as "Svali" said <>she was taught that the "end of the world" scenario<> involved an economic collapse. Remember the Illuminati is a Masonic cult founded and funded by the central bankers who own the Fed. Here is her full testimony given about ten year ago.

"Want to hear the end of the world scenario the Illuminati taught me? It was cult propaganda, but this is how they believed the New Order would be ushered in:

There will be continued conflict in the Mideast, with a severe threat of nuclear war being the culmination of these hostilities. An economic collapse that will devastate the economy of the US and Europe, much like the great depression.

One reason that our economy continues limping along is the artificial supports that the Federal Reserve had given it, manipulating interest rates, etc. But one day, this won't work (or this leverage will be withdrawn on purpose) and the next great depression will hit.

The government will call in its bonds and loans, and credit card debts will be called in. There will be massive bankruptcies nationwide. Europe will stabilize first,and Germany, France and England (surprise) will have the strongest economies, and will institute through the UN an international currency. Japan will also pull out, although their economy will be weakened.

Peacekeeping forces will be sent out by the UN and local bases to prevent riots. The leaders will reveal themselves, and people will be asked to make a pledge of loyalty during a time of chaos and financial devastation.

Doesn't sound pleasant, does it? I don't know the exact time frame for all of this, and wouldn't want to even guess. The good news is that if a person is debt-free, owes nothing to the government or credit debt, and can live self sufficiently, they may do better than others. I would invest in gold, not stocks, if I had the income.

Gold will once again be the world standard, and dollars will be pretty useless (remember after the Civil War? Our money will be worth about what confederate money was after the collapse).

All this said, it could just be cult propaganda taught to me and others to frighten us. It may be that none of this will happen. I sincerely hope not. I also strongly believe that God is able to stay the hand of the wicked, and to take care of our nation and others, if we turn to Him."
http://giuli.com/svali/EssentialSvali.pdf

That noted, let's remember the words of Denis Healey, former British Defence Secretary and Secretary of the Exchequer: "World events do not occur by accident: They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings."

I think we are in for a recession, maybe even a Depression but I don't think the Illuminati is ready to declare their New World Order just yet. However, this could be part of a larger scenario leading to World War Three, similar to the role the Great Depression played as a precursor to World War Two.

The Illuminati goal is to torture the human race until we cry out to them for world government, anything to stop the pain.

----

Henry Makow Ph.D. is the author of "Cruel Hoax: Feminism and the New World Order." (www.cruelhoax.ca) His articles can be found at his web site www.henrymakow.com He enjoys receiving your comments, some of which he posts on his site using first names only. hmakow@gmail.com

[synergy777]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/stocksNews/idUKGRI72329420080917

Fed may find more companies at its door

Between the $29 billion the Fed pledged to swing the Bear Stearns sale to JPMorgan in March, $100 billion apiece to rescue mortgage finance firms Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, up to $300 billion for the Federal Housing Authority, Tuesday's $85 billion loan to insurer AIG and various other rescue deals and loans, taxpayers are potentially on the hook for more than $900 billion.

"They pretended they were drawing a line in the sand with Lehman Brothers but now two days later they're doing another bailout," said Nouriel Roubini, a professor at New York University's Stern School of Business.

"We're essentially continuing a system where profits are privatized and...losses socialized," Roubini said, adding that auto makers, airlines and other struggling businesses would no doubt be asking for government help too.

The government was hard pressed to say no to AIG because of concerns that its collapse would harm thousands of companies around the world and cause chaos in the $62 trillion market for credit default swaps, where it is a big player.

Many on Wall Street were clamouring for a rescue earlier on Tuesday, and AIG's share price swung wildly throughout the day as rumours swirled of an on again, off again government rescue.

But Roubini said instead of handing out money to firms that made bad bets -- which could inadvertently encourage more risky behaviour if companies think they have a safety net -- the government should be buying up mortgages and rewriting the terms so that households are not buried in debt

+----------------------------------------------------+

this guy roubini is awesome, one of my faves, he is on bloomberg all the time, channel 502 on sky. also check krugman, he is an awesome economist aswell.

look these economists know that the govt supports big business and does not support the public/homeowners, so who is benefitting eg cue bono?

[synergy777]

Nouriel Roubini
Professor of Economics
and International Business
Stern School of Business, New York University
E-Mail: nroubini@stern.nyu.edu

http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~nroubini/

http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini

http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/sep2008/pi20080915_773170.htm?chan=investing_investing+ind ex+page_top+stories


+----------------------------------------------+


Paul krugman

http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/

http://krugmanonline.com/

[the itinerant shrubber]

lol duck :D

but its true though isnt it ?
all these fancy car , 4X4 gas guzzling look down their noses at unemployed people and bottom classes ,

are now going to find out
that like many poor people , that sometimes , the opotunity can miss you entirely , or even be out of your control .

and yes , alot of unemployed people ill find this easier than those who go out to large restoraunts , have flash cars and think they are just the lords of the manner .
quite frankly , alot of them deserve this crash !:D
you wont find me loosing any sleep .

I've noticed how much more savvy and "streetwise" I am compared to alot of people,some even twice my age becouse they have spent their lives in secure jobs with pension schemes and a mortgage. They're virtually children and dont have a clue how to hussle. I know how to live without Saisnsburys,how to fiddle the benefit system, how to deal with and lose debtors,bullshit and lie through my teeth becouse I've had to over the years. If you've always led a "secure" life,you wont know any of this stuff and like duckingdafta and tracker said,the have-nots,like so many of us here are going to come out on top.
For instance-the price of our heating oil has doubled since last years.Becouse I live in a (gasp) council house! (Oh the shame!) we got our entire house double glazed for free two years ago. I've put a big rug down ontop of the carpet in the lounge which will help insulate the room from the drafty floorboards and I'm now collecting second hand tilley lamps for the winter. Surely your light source should also be a heat source shouldnt it? Always was before the light bulb.So we'll have tilley lamps heating and lighting the house instead of electricity and oil. At the moment I'm trying to think of a way to utilise all the junk mail so I can use it to boil my kelly kettle with,thus saving more electricity. I'm going to experiment with drying fungus out and soaking it in lighter fluid to make firelighters.
Making a meal out of nothing.Chucking a handful of porridge oats in your spag-bol to bulk it out...Most people havnt had to ever think like this and they're in for one hell of a culture shock.

[tracker]

I've noticed how much more savvy and "streetwise" I am compared to alot of people,some even twice my age becouse they have spent their lives in secure jobs with pension schemes and a mortgage. They're virtually children and dont have a clue how to hussle. I know how to live without Saisnsburys,how to fiddle the benefit system, how to deal with and lose debtors,bullshit and lie through my teeth becouse I've had to over the years. If you've always led a "secure" life,you wont know any of this stuff and like duckingdafta and tracker said,the have-nots,like so many of us here are going to come out on top.
For instance-the price of our heating oil has doubled since last years.Becouse I live in a (gasp) council house! (Oh the shame!) we got our entire house double glazed for free two years ago. I've put a big rug down ontop of the carpet in the lounge which will help insulate the room from the drafty floorboards and I'm now collecting second hand tilley lamps for the winter. Surely your light source should also be a heat source shouldnt it? Always was before the light bulb.So we'll have tilley lamps heating and lighting the house instead of electricity and oil. At the moment I'm trying to think of a way to utilise all the junk mail so I can use it to boil my kelly kettle with,thus saving more electricity. I'm going to experiment with drying fungus out and soaking it in lighter fluid to make firelighters.
Making a meal out of nothing.Chucking a handful of porridge oats in your spag-bol to bulk it out...Most people havnt had to ever think like this and they're in for one hell of a culture shock.


well done there !
i too was on benifits for a large part of my life and know the system inside out too .
not bcause i chose too , but because the bstrds wouldnt allow me to go to college .
when i finally did they stopped my benifits and tried to push me into a stackers job .
well i said no so they took all my money and i had to survive on "JACK" !
i made it through , but the councils went against me , so did other authorities just because i went to college to learn how to be an engineer .

now i am recovering from a stroke , so from june this year i have had to put my career on hold and am back on benifits yet again for about one year , who knows , maybe more .

quite frankly ive been about and know the score , and so many middle class and higher class deserve this crash , my face cannot be big enough to hold my grinnnnnnnnnnn !:D

they deserve it for being so bloody upperty and better than thou , runing he system and controling peoples lives like they were cattle , looking down their noses at unfortunate folks .

to me ? i cant wait !:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[wazaaap]

I've noticed how much more savvy and "streetwise" I am compared to alot of people,some even twice my age becouse they have spent their lives in secure jobs with pension schemes and a mortgage. They're virtually children and dont have a clue how to hussle. I know how to live without Saisnsburys,how to fiddle the benefit system, how to deal with and lose debtors,bullshit and lie through my teeth becouse I've had to over the years. If you've always led a "secure" life,you wont know any of this stuff and like duckingdafta and tracker said,the have-nots,like so many of us here are going to come out on top.
For instance-the price of our heating oil has doubled since last years.Becouse I live in a (gasp) council house! (Oh the shame!) we got our entire house double glazed for free two years ago. I've put a big rug down ontop of the carpet in the lounge which will help insulate the room from the drafty floorboards and I'm now collecting second hand tilley lamps for the winter. Surely your light source should also be a heat source shouldnt it? Always was before the light bulb.So we'll have tilley lamps heating and lighting the house instead of electricity and oil. At the moment I'm trying to think of a way to utilise all the junk mail so I can use it to boil my kelly kettle with,thus saving more electricity. I'm going to experiment with drying fungus out and soaking it in lighter fluid to make firelighters.
Making a meal out of nothing.Chucking a handful of porridge oats in your spag-bol to bulk it out...Most people havnt had to ever think like this and they're in for one hell of a culture shock.


I agree, im from a poor background, however i have came to London and now earn 28k a year - that is a huge sum of cash to me, i see people spend like it is going out of fashion, i have saved and bought the necessity's.

My dream has always been to be rich my dream now is to survive.

It is wrong to think that the poor deserve what the rich have, because in all honesty if i could do it alone there isn't a person in this country who couldn't make something of there self.

Life is what you make it FACT!

[wazaaap]

well done there !
i too was on benifits for a large part of my life and know the system inside out too .
not bcause i chose too , but because the bstrds wouldnt allow me to go to college .
when i finally did they stopped my benifits and tried to push me into a stackers job .
well i said no so they took all my money and i had to survive on "JACK" !
i made it through , but the councils went against me , so did other authorities just because i went to college to learn how to be an engineer .

now i am recovering from a stroke , so from june this year i have had to put my career on hold and am back on benifits yet again for about one year , who knows , maybe more .

quite frankly ive been about and know the score , and so many middle class and higher class deserve this crash , my face cannot be big enough to hold my grinnnnnnnnnnn !:D

they deserve it for being so bloody upperty and better than thou , runing he system and controling peoples lives like they were cattle , looking down their noses at unfortunate folks .

to me ? i cant wait !:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

That is not how all people treat the poor. it is wrong to tar everyone with the same brush.

[tracker]

That is not how all people treat the poor. it is wrong to tar everyone with the same brush.

ok wazaaap i see your point .
truthfully , i actually will pitty those concerned which is why , hence , you and i both including the count made posts on your survival thread , so that others can prepare , so i didnt mean it really , but i did like saying it .

i have pulled up that thread for handy hints during hard times called

survival list

sothat others can see , i didnt really mean it



:rolleyes:


:cool:

[synergy777]

yes people are in for a shock, but you shouldn't begrudge peoples success. its how they are with it, if they get arrogant, thats there problem. if they still stay humble, have humilty and grace, like me, they are ok. i have done well but i have not changed, i still remember the work, sacrfices i had to make to get what i want, i remember the sacrifices my parents made for me to get educated etc.

its not a clear cut issue, eg poor = good, rich = bad. there is good bad in all, eg rich/poor, black/white, religous/non religous etc, heck there is good/bad in everyone.

[tracker]

yes people are in for a shock, but you shouldn't begrudge peoples success. its how they are with it, if they get arrogant, thats there problem. if they still stay humble, have humilty and grace, like me, they are ok. i have done well but i have not changed, i still remember the work, sacrfices i had to make to get what i want, i remember the sacrifices my parents made for me to get educated etc.

its not a clear cut issue, eg poor = good, rich = bad. there is good bad in all, eg rich/poor, black/white, religous/non religous etc, heck there is good/bad in everyone.

i do not grudge succesful people , i am one of them , i do grudge those who spent all their times in pubs clubs and fast cars who couldnt be bothered .

there is a difference to them both .

if you read my post carefully , you will see that i am a succesful person and succeed to what ever i put my phocus on .

its ok dude , jus see the post above yours and yo will soon see the light .:cool:

[endlessvista]

Depends on how dependent you are on the system. Personaly I think its gonna be great fun especially watching all you lazy motorists bitch and moan as they squeeze yer balls ever tighter:D:D

Yes on a slightly more serious note it depends on how much of a sucker for marketing, hype, advertisments and social insecurity one is.

The people who buy into the bullshit the most are the ones who suffer the most. But how eles are they ever going to learn.

They'll soon find out that Posh and Becks don't care about them as much as they care about Posh and Becks. Like Jordan Maxwell once said "when it all blows up in your face don't coming running to me for help, go to your beloved sitcom star or basketbal player."

[synergy777]

i did see the post, your an engineer. i was just making a genral post, it wasn't targeted at you bro.

all i am saying is that these times, prejudice/pre judgement is a risky stance to take. in all areas one must be aware of all angles/variables etc

and anyway, like geroge best said, i spent all me money on drink, women and cars, i wasted all the rest, lol

[norton]

it appears i have been miss understood. i don't think ANYONE deserves what is going to happen mortgage or not.

as for people looking down on the unemplyed, i know quite a few succesful people, some VERY succesful. not one of them look down on anyone else, (it sounds a bit more like jealosy on your half if i'm honest) They are succesful because they have worked hard and they know it. if you want to be unemployed and live in a council house that is your choice and 'succesful' people are aware of this. the one's that look down on you are the ones who haven't worked for their money (lottery/inheritance etc).

but to practically laugh at mortgage payers...beggars belief.

[duckingdafta]

there are people waking up and actually doing something about it.. you got to admire the press though at attempting to ridicule people as 'Robin Hood' crooks..... one of many to be blamed for the collapse of the royal bank of scotland.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/blog/editors_corner/article/2703/

[red_ram]

If it's reorganised along moral and mutually beneficial lines, yesh.

Otherwise...yesh. I want to be able to buy shitloads of CDs and guitars regardless. Also, I want the phrase 'credit crunch' to disappear as it's beginning to annoy me.

[cruise4]

some nice sentiments off some very understanding people here. so people who WANT to pay there own way in this life DESERVE to be punished? People who pay for their own homes and cars deserve everything that's going to happen? how kind. i certainly hope your families and friends with mortgage(s) and vehicles can turn to you when the time comes, or, judging by what you say, you 'll just give them a swift kick in the knackers and laugh

Who WANT??? I assume you don't see the metaphor to a slave saying 'Whip me' I love it. It is my right to be whipped. I want daily whippings to stay. I didn't get to where I am today without a few good whippings and look at me now. So take your whippings like a man and you too can become as successful as me.

It is wrong to think that the poor deserve what the rich have, because in all honesty if i could do it alone there isn't a person in this country who couldn't make something of there self.

Yes, you can all become a different class of slave like I have. Work hard for your master and you too will be rewarded with privilidges within masters household.

Its like this... those who willingly offer themselves as slaves get to appear more successful than the rest. This perceived success helps them support the slave system because rather than challenging it, they went along with it, criminality be damned.

Those who don't are often the poor. They have a higher 'freedom' threshold perhaps or their skill is not economically valid under the current system.

You see you could have done well and not ever had a mortgage and you DESERVE to be punished because whilst you were feeding in the trough of decadence without seeing it for what it is... others could see a bit more clearly and fought against it.

Major misunderstanding about what is going on you have there.

[norton]

hang on a minute, so people who don't want to live on benefits and/or live on handouts but would rather have a bit of pride and self worth and do it themselves are slaves? because for most, wether through ignorance or not, have to make a choice, buy into the system or.... hang on.... or what? how do you live in western civilization without buying into the system? Take yourself, i don't know anything about you, but i do know you're on the internet , using a computer; is that not using the system? you had to buy or steal a computer which wouldn't exist without corporations and neither would the internet, which you have to pay a monthly subscription for or pay as you go, maybe you have it free via mobile or some other means, but somewhere along the line you are paying for the privilege of using the internet. You are in 'the system'. hypocrite.

[cruise4]

The 'economic sytem' we live under is a slave system. I'm not debating it.... I'm telling you. There is a big difference between knowing this and minimising participation compared to not knowing it and espousing the joys of enslavement. Comparing those who want to 'live on benefits and/or live on handouts' to having a 'bit of pride and self worth and do it themselves' shows just how programmed you are.

My computer use at this time is totally justified as I need to find out information to spread to others and fight for our liberty by exposing the criminal murderering fraudsters and circumventing their planned future.

So if you want to compare who is the biggest hypocrite, I'm here waiting, because believe me you will lose and as soon as I perceive an opportunity to remove a level of hypocrisy, I do and will. How about yourself? Going to give up your job to go self employed at less than the tax threshold? I thought not!

PS. You are a slave if coerced into work against your free will. This economic system ensures you have to. It doesn't have to be that way. It's not derived from any natural evolution and it's not set in stone.

[legendary]

wait until the banks holding all of your savings go bankrupt and you lose everything or announce they can only promise each customer £10,000 of the money they have stored. won't be so happy then.


the two times when people are most succeptible to fringe movements/ideas are in times of war and times of economic depression, this could either be a chance for them to take a more totalitarian approach to government or a chance to print off loads of pounds and dollars, bringing about hyperinflation so in America Obama will be able to call for 'the amero' and be branded a hero for 'saving the economy', and Gordon Brown can say if we join the euro we will be more secure, and nobody will question him because he was chancellor of the exchequer in the lead up to this crisis....