MTsar forum

[father ted]

Have you guys been to the Mtsar forum yet? What do you think of it? I tell you what, it's good that he participates in it though.
Who are you on the Mtsar forum?
I'm Father Jack.

[lumukanda]

you got a link father ted?

[garth]

you got a link father ted?

try this mate http://www.redicecreations.com/mtsarforum/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=d040a6e396501c953308cb1350cdd39a

[shadow cat]

try this mate http://www.redicecreations.com/mtsarforum/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=d040a6e396501c953308cb1350cdd39a

Hi Garth, thanks for the tip!! I'll let you know my username via PM :-)

[lumukanda]

thanks garth!

[tru3]

Have you guys been to the Mtsar forum yet? What do you think of it? I tell you what, it's good that he participates in it though.
Who are you on the Mtsar forum?
I'm Father Jack.


mtsar has a really interesting media strategy. i agree about his participation (hint, hint, david!! :) )

Mission - Opening the Eyes of the World
How? - With Your Help

The world is mad, mad as hell. Sane people know this. This blog is for the few sane people left in this crazy world. The sane are the Outsiders and Teachers who think for themselves. They can, however, end up doing a lot of thinking and critiquing for others. This makes them a THREAT to the unsane. On the highest level its a question of Magick versus Sorcery.

Rescue those who are unjustly sentenced to death; don’t stand back and watch them die - (Proverbs 24:11)

The best thing you can do for your fellow, next to rousing his conscience, is - not to give him things to think about, but to wake things up that are in him...to make him think things for himself - George MacDonald ;)

In a way, the word "teacher" is synonymous with the word "threat." The masses don't want teachers or to do their own thinking. They want fun, recreation, amusement, and entertainment, forgetfulness, and escape. They want tranquilizers, consensus trance, and George Bush's Evangelist Zionist horde to murder and massacre in their name. Most men are scared to death of freedom and of free-thinking people. Most men and women do not want freedom. They want freedom from freedom. And the overlords they install to rule them are only to eager to comply.

Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all - Hypatia of Alexandria (ancient female pagan philosopher, torn to pieces by a Christian mob)

The Crusading Templar who has been ostensibly placed in control of the American government (not America itself) now speaks now of "civilization," as if that can be built and inserted from the outside. He is the president of a country barely 200 years old, and yet he speaks of building "civilization." But his words bring needed pacification. As "Big Daddy" he seeks to provide the crutches and the scaffolding; the security and order from outside, because man has none within. Civilization is a symptom; the result of man's emotional, mental, and moral maturity. Do you see any of this in the world around you? If you do, please drop everything and contact National Geographic immediately. Get their "rare species" experts to come take photographs of it.

People will do anything, no matter how absurd, to stop from facing their souls - Jung

http://www.redicecreations.com/mtsarforum/viewtopic.php?t=18&sid=85e27951ce0d01ec080bee15f66483a1

i'd say that's a pretty damn good start. thanks ted--er, i mean "father jack" ,<wink wink>:)

[roxanna222]

Hey all hope its going good. Just so you know Im on the mtsar forum under the name Rox. Cheers

[Anders Lindman]

Have you seen this video that Tsarion posted on his forum?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5064591712431946916

A long video, but with a very important message as it seriously debunks the hypothesis that HIV is the cause of AIDS.

[thirdwave]

i am still un ale to post.... did not get my ID cleared...

[becky]

Well, I will have to express my great disappointment in the site. I do enjoy MTSARs works, but it seems to me that there is somewhat of a cult following feel about the site. He can reprimand in a very short way someone who asks a goofy question and they will cower down, apologize and come back for more. He also does not believe in the concept of love and finds those who do to be fools or someone who 'needs' others so they can feed off them and drain them. There is no one on this earth who has the right to tell anyone they cannot love. My family is very important to me and what I feel for them is love! If we did not have the ability to love one another, what does it matter who does what or who they do it to? Why should we care what goes on in this world without a love for one another? To live a life solely for ourselves is no better than those who now rule this world! If we were without love, why would we even care what kind of world we leave behind?

[lookfar]

Well, I will have to express my great disappointment in the site. I do enjoy MTSARs works, but it seems to me that there is somewhat of a cult following feel about the site. He can reprimand in a very short way someone who asks a goofy question and they will cower down, apologize and come back for more. He also does not believe in the concept of love and finds those who do to be fools or someone who 'needs' others so they can feed off them and drain them. There is no one on this earth who has the right to tell anyone they cannot love. My family is very important to me and what I feel for them is love! If we did not have the ability to love one another, what does it matter who does what or who they do it to? Why should we care what goes on in this world without a love for one another? To live a life solely for ourselves is no better than those who now rule this world! If we were without love, why would we even care what kind of world we leave behind?

Hi becky & welcome to the forum :)

I've just registered & look forward to checking it out more. My first impression was that it doesn't have the same feel to me as this place does, but it's still early days I suppose. He's definitely got some great info & it's good to see he's actually posting himself... hope it all goes well :)

Thanks for sharing Father Ted (or should I say, Father Jack, LOL!):)

[amadeus]

Thanks for the tip. Tsarion is the man. Fantastic that he's participating in the discussions! Maybe we'll meet over there.

Cheers Michael! :cool:

[tru3]

Well, I will have to express my great disappointment in the site. I do enjoy MTSARs works, but it seems to me that there is somewhat of a cult following feel about the site. He can reprimand in a very short way someone who asks a goofy question and they will cower down, apologize and come back for more. He also does not believe in the concept of love and finds those who do to be fools or someone who 'needs' others so they can feed off them and drain them. There is no one on this earth who has the right to tell anyone they cannot love. My family is very important to me and what I feel for them is love! If we did not have the ability to love one another, what does it matter who does what or who they do it to? Why should we care what goes on in this world without a love for one another? To live a life solely for ourselves is no better than those who now rule this world! If we were without love, why would we even care what kind of world we leave behind?

time will tell. mtsar seems to be one intense dude.

about 'love', what can i tell you? if you love your family, love your family. i love my parents for doing the best they could, but just because i love them doesn't mean i have to live around the corner from them.

i happen to agree with the spirit of that post: for the most part, what passes for love in this world is, imo, more like a quid pro quo: scratch my back and i'll scratch yours.

most everyone wants to "get their needs met", when they don't have a clue how to do it for themselves.

the problem with living by the golden rule-- do unto others as you would have them do unto you-- is that most people don't love themselves, therefore they treat most everyone else like crap.

when the oxygen masks drop from the ceiling of an airplane, what do they tell you? put your own mask on first. you can't help anyone if you're passed out. :)

i'm not passing judgement, i'm just commenting on the human condition. i was prone to massive self-loathing for most of my life, got married at 19 when i was a completely brain-damaged idiot, and tried to get daddy's acceptance and love well into my 30's, and i was completely unconscious about all of it.

my feeling about mtsar's approach:

i'm not ok,
you're not ok,
but it's ok. ;)

[them]

I am them on the mstar forum.

There is a mine of information available over at his yard for your digestion.

If you want to try & debate the guy fair play, but who cares if mstar agrees, lets rip at, or ignores you? The mans done his homework & reached his own conclusions from the information he's absorbed.

Take what he presents or leave it.. after all.. your on your own journey.

http://www.empire.k12.ca.us/capistrano/Mike/capmusic/the_wild_west/gold_rush/jb_1829-1859_subj_e.jpg (http://www.empire.k12.ca.us/capistrano/Mike/capmusic/the_wild_west/gold_rush/gold_rush.htm)
There's Gold In Them Thar Hills

[phoenix1]

Hi Pepes I'm in there as StarFirePhoenix (for a change) Im phoenix1 everyplace else but today I feel like I wanna change First time i've used a different name.

Cheeers Ted and Garth for the info.

Mstar is sometimes difficult to talk too, btw, Ive spoken to him before i'm amazed hes got a forum, usually he says he's busy. Though he doed have the time if he feels you are not wasting his....I sent him Fire The Earthgrid.com and he didnt have much to say. Ill take it to his forumand maybe he will discuss it there,

I was after a taroscopic reading for the date,,,,BUT IAAIA has allready crunched the numbers on that, and its all good.

It was quite a long email lol and all i got was "Thanks for the info" lol

ALL THE LOVE PEPES!!

Phoenix

[phoenix1]

Hi becky & welcome to the forum :)

I've just registered & look forward to checking it out more. My first impression was that it doesn't have the same feel to me as this place does, but it's still early days I suppose. He's definitely got some great info & it's good to see he's actually posting himself... hope it all goes well :)

Thanks for sharing Father Ted (or should I say, Father Jack, LOL!):)


Echo that N.....He has mines of info, hey Becky Welcome to this place.YAY another Lady inda house !!!:) :) :D

[father ted]

I have found that you can ask him anything, almost, and he'll be alright with it. At the start, a few hours after it opened, I criticised him on the forum layout, because its more like a blog, which is what he was used to, and it's not layed out like a forum. I told him things will get muddled up the way it is, and he just replied that it won't, and the team at red ice creations did a good job. Then there were a whole bunch of posts from ass lickers agreeing with him.

So he's cool:cool: as long as you don't make personal attacks.

[phoenix1]

I have found that you can ask him anything, almost, and he'll be alright with it. At the start, a few hours after it opened, I criticised him on the forum layout, because its more like a blog, which is what he was used to, and it's not layed out like a forum. I told him things will get muddled up the way it is, and he just replied that it won't, and the team at red ice creations did a good job. Then there were a whole bunch of posts from ass lickers agreeing with him.

So he's cool:cool: as long as you don't make personal attacks.

Yeah I dont lick ass on forums...as youve probarbly gathered lol, Yeah I wouldnt attack him Ive learned a lot from Tsarions stuff, I'll post there soon gotta few things I'm gonna ask him like where he thinks the ORIGINAL Babylon is,see what he says because there are 2 Babylons.

Anyway logging out for now. Yeah i'm gonna talk to him like I talk to anyone else, no Gods and no Masters for me.

Thanks for the heads up Ted

Phoenix:) :) :)

[becky]

Thanks for the welcome everyone. I was not trying to criticize MTsar. I just do not agree on the love issue at all. Also, there are just way too many there who are obviously seeking his approval and that is not a discussion to me, and I have no drive to be 'teachers pet'. I enjoy his videos and am reading his new book, but I reserve the right to my own opinions without having to have his stamp of approval. I am sure some of his shortness is due to the fact that so many actually seem to grovel for his attention. I am new to much of this and only through stumbling upon the Covenant of Death by William Cooper, did I understand what was actually going on. That scared the daylights out of me. I want to be somewhere to learn!

[adramelech]

His forum is hardly a forum, it's a glorified blog where people can flounder for the attention of the mighty MTsar. It's actually kind of creepy.

Gifted author and speaker though.

[father ted]

I tried to tell him it's a blog, oh well. It would have been so good if it were a forum:mad:

[father ted]

His forum is hardly a forum, it's a glorified blog where people can flounder for the attention of the mighty MTsar. It's actually kind of creepy.

That depends who's posting, I've read some good posts fom others' over there.

[tru3]

Originally Posted by adramelech
His forum is hardly a forum, it's a glorified blog where people can flounder for the attention of the mighty MTsar. It's actually kind of creepy.

huh. i didn't get that at all. guess i just skimmed the site. i was glad to see a "relationships" thread. that's probably where i'll hang out. we'll see.

what i like about him is that he is urging people to do their own inner work first, and worry about the loomies second. personally, i agree. :)

[adramelech]

huh. i didn't get that at all. guess i just skimmed the site. i was glad to see a "relationships" thread. that's probably where i'll hang out. we'll see.

It doesn't have to be blatant necessarily. The entire design of the site is set up to fascilitate that. Tsarion creates a thread, outlines a topic, provides all of the information and then says "discuss". Hardly a forum.

[limelady]

It doesn't have to be blatant necessarily. The entire design of the site is set up to fascilitate that. Tsarion creates a thread, outlines a topic, provides all of the information and then says "discuss". Hardly a forum.


Well adramelech you're lucky you've always got this forum to come back to huh? ;)

Personally I love Mtsars froum - lots of intelligent conversation and mind stimulating topics to discuss or ponder... and the way he's set it up works for me. :)

[tru3]

It doesn't have to be blatant necessarily. The entire design of the site is set up to fascilitate that. Tsarion creates a thread, outlines a topic, provides all of the information and then says "discuss". Hardly a forum.

ya. that is kind of interesting. i thought it was a bit unlike any other forum i've seen, what ted said notwithstanding. everything kind of "funnels" back to him, doesn't it? well, perhaps david is not unwise in letting us play in the sandbox by ourselves. :D more organic that way, perhaps?

i'm not really crazy about the color scheme, either. hard to read, when you're wearing bifocals. :cool:

[father ted]

Yeah, there's some retarded guys there, now I see. There's some here too, but over there, they play hero worship. There's one guy, answering on behalf of michael.

I personally respect Icke's decision not to participate, I mean, what would you do if you were him, with all these ladidah new age mentality type people hanging around?

[father ted]

and the way he's set it up works for me

Limelady, you need to explain that one:eek:

[earthseed]

I like Tsarion's work just because it is weird but I don't like the way he does his forum. It's his choice of course it's his but he is too controlling. I like it how David let's us talk and figure things out. There are mods here but David isn't sitting on the board telling us what we can say and what we can't. Just my little opinion.

[limelady]

Limelady, you need to explain that one:eek:

Not sure why you need me to explain ted, but I was more or less responding to criticism about the way the Mtsar forum was set up. I guess the site works for me fine because I was a regular visiter to the site when it stared out originally as mtsars blog. But due to its increasing popularity and the amount of visitors it was attracting, its evolved into a forum now hosted on Red Ice.....yet still with Mtsars own particular style of participation.

I like the fact that the topics are chosen by mtsar because the dialogue is more focused on the subjects that fascinate me the most.

Just a personal thing I guess, and besides, where are there rules written that say a forum has to be structured a particular way? ;)

[amadeus]

I think its good to have different types of 'forums'. I mean what would be the point if the mtsar-forum was quite similar to this one? The fact that the discussion over there is on a more "academic level" is not a bad thing in my opinion. It's just different. Choose your poison ;)

Never mind the semantics about if it is a forum, blog or what ever...I think we should be grateful that Michael is spending time on sharing and discussing with people.Lets hope that some of the trolls trying to sabotage the mtsar-forum don't ruin the whole thing.

I must say It would be a very nice surprise if David could once in a while join the discussions over here. But who knows, maybe he is...

[mada88]

I'm mada88 lol on mtsar's forum. It has been moved to redice which is pretty cool. Redices forum is cool to check that also http://www.redicecreations.com/forum/

With mtsar's forum he doesn't like shite replys etc so think it out before you type.

[turquoisefyre]

cool site....

i've registered as T~Fyre.

[survivor1]

I posted on the old Mtsar blog and then posted on his forum for a while but it's quite hard keeping track of posts with such wide topic fields.
I prefer forums running on proper forum software, I asked him when he started it but it was set up by the guys from Red Ice and he said it had to be as it is at the moment.
I do like him though and emailed him when I was working at a masonic temple and had downloaded all their computer files:D, he mailed me back in like 30 mins.

[father ted]

I posted on the old Mtsar blog and then posted on his forum for a while but it's quite hard keeping track of posts with such wide topic fields.
I prefer forums running on proper forum software, I asked him when he started it but it was set up by the guys from Red Ice and he said it had to be as it is at the moment.I do like him though and emailed him when I was working at a masonic temple and had downloaded all their computer files:D, he mailed me back in like 30 mins.

Yep, I stopped posting and visiting because you can't keep track of anything. I mentioned this in one of my first posts and he said that everything's fine the way it is.

Did you find out anything significant from the freemasons?

[eternal_spirit]

It sucks the way it's set up. No title for individual threads ( weird ) I mean wtf :confused: And the colour scheme.. it's bad on the eyes.

[eternal_spirit]

The bit I did read he and others where babbling on about what a great man Crowley was spiel.

[eternal_spirit]

It sucks the way it's set up. No title for individual threads ( weird ) I mean wtf :confused: And the colour scheme.. it's bad on the eyes.

.............

Anyone?

[zero1]

Yes, I'm a member there @ Mtsar on RedIce, but I go by a different name.

I don't like it: the layout is not very pleasing. There is no atmosphere.

I only made about 15 posts then abandoned it.

[thirdwave]

Not sure why you need me to explain ted, but I was more or less responding to criticism about the way the Mtsar forum was set up. I guess the site works for me fine because I was a regular visiter to the site when it stared out originally as mtsars blog. But due to its increasing popularity and the amount of visitors it was attracting, its evolved into a forum now hosted on Red Ice.....yet still with Mtsars own particular style of participation.

I like the fact that the topics are chosen by mtsar because the dialogue is more focused on the subjects that fascinate me the most.

Just a personal thing I guess, and besides, where are there rules written that say a forum has to be structured a particular way? ;)

very true.... it makes me laugh when people demand a forum is run a certain way! ... in other words saying "I do not want you to run this forum as you like" ...."if you are going to create a forum.... you must do it how I like!! "....

"I dont like this forum .... change your forum for me!!!"

ROFL!!!!!

[father ted]

Thirdwave, no one is actually asking him how to run it. All we are saying is that it's the wrong format, it's a blog not a forum.

[eternal_spirit]

Thirdwave, no one is actually asking him how to run it. All we are saying is that it's the wrong format, it's a blog not a forum.
...........

Yes, not exactly user friendly is it. :rolleyes:
More people would participate if it was.
Sean done great job wit this place.

[thirdwave]

Thirdwave, no one is actually asking him how to run it. All we are saying is that it's the wrong format, it's a blog not a forum.

its ok, i was taking a swipe at a few who gave us grief a while back....

[father ted]

...........

Yes, not exactly user friendly is it. :rolleyes:
More people would participate if it was.
Sean done great job wit this place.

Maybe it is so only the die hards use it?:D

It was the red ide team that set it up anyway, maybe someone should call in on the next Tsarion interview and explain to them what a forum is:D. Only joking guys, you do good interviews.

[survivor1]

Yep, I stopped posting and visiting because you can't keep track of anything. I mentioned this in one of my first posts and he said that everything's fine the way it is.

Did you find out anything significant from the freemasons?

Most of it was of no importance although I did find a few of the degree walk throughs, member list and library contents which was quite interesting.
Walking around their two temples was good and talking to a couple of 33 degree freemasons about the GAOTU was hillarious, you should have seen their faces.:)

I tell you, do your research and you know more than they do.

[survivor1]

very true.... it makes me laugh when people demand a forum is run a certain way! ... in other words saying "I do not want you to run this forum as you like" ...."if you are going to create a forum.... you must do it how I like!! "....

"I dont like this forum .... change your forum for me!!!"

ROFL!!!!!

I think the set up is fine if you are a regular visitor but if you don't visit for a couple of weeks or so it is hard to keep track of the conversation thread without doing a lot of back clicking.
Saying that I still have a look in from time to time and think it's great Mtsar actually joins in.

[leon11]

the mtsar forum is no longer right?

what happened to tsarion after all the discrediting against him?

His info nearly always resonated with me. I think he's one of the better lecturers (?) out there although does perhaps seem a little short of 'love'....

[leon11]

tsarion's research is still very important I think. The fact that he has had a huge hate campaign against him and that he has dissappeared makes me think the discrediting was a calculated agenda.
He might not be right about everything ofcourse, but his research seems to answer many questions.
He is condemned as a 'fictional scholar' but I think he talks with real heart and intelligence, and truth. If he is an imposter then I am much more gullible than I thought.
The symbolism in his logos and hand gestures in some of his photos are unusual though..

I urge all of you to watch or rewatch his videos and form some discussion here - Id really like to know which parts people think are fabricated and hopefully even see some evidence for or against it.
Id like to get to the bottom of this, and from what he claims, I think you should to.

peace

[unicorny]

Hi Leon, I like his stuff too although some of the dots he joins I find questionable, but I like his style and he always makes me think. I dont think he has disappeared he is researching some new stuff is all infact i think he will be presenting it this year. I heard him not long ago talking about female illuminati
sounds a bit like an angry woman hater at times and makes some huge leaps in the dot joining in my opinion but as usual some thought provoking stuff too

Michael Tsarion. Female Illuminati. FreeTruth Show 2012 - YouTube

[leon11]

The dots are interesting yes and something we should explore.

His material though, well..I invite anyone to watch Architects of Control for example and point out how he is possibly manipulating us. I dont see anything here other than truth and attempts at awakening...it is an excellent video imho