Why have Illuminati failed in the past?

[jack1p]

Hello!

I have recently started reading about Illuminati, secret societies, conspiracy theories, NWO, etc. Quite fascinating stuff. Some materials very convincing.

However, there are two things that I am seriously pondering about that I could not find an answer. And I don't think they are dumb questions.

First, assuming there are secret societies, the Illuminati or whomever, for thousands of years, why have they failed their objective to rule the world and control everyone on the planet?

If they are so powerful, advanced, and elite - why has it not been done so far?

And second, if they are secret, how could have they possibly been revealed? I am reading about symbols and numerical clues they leave behind, but if they wish to remain secret and stealth, why would they leave clues?

Also let's say they screwed up and revealed themselves, if they are so powerful, advanced, and elite, what prevented them from putting a stop to the people - by whatever means necessary - who exposed them in the past? Thus no knowledge about them in the present (books, video, internet, etc.)

I look forward to learning more about this subject.

Jack

[tracker]

Hello!

I have recently started reading about Illuminati, secret societies, conspiracy theories, NWO, etc. Quite fascinating stuff. Some materials very convincing.

However, there are two things that I am seriously pondering about that I could not find an answer. And I don't think they are dumb questions.

First, assuming there are secret societies, the Illuminati or whomever, for thousands of years, why have they failed their objective to rule the world and control everyone on the planet?

If they are so powerful, advanced, and elite - why has it not been done so far?

And second, if they are secret, how could have they possibly been revealed? I am reading about symbols and numerical clues they leave behind, but if they wish to remain secret and stealth, why would they leave clues?

Also let's say they screwed up and revealed themselves, if they are so powerful, advanced, and elite, what prevented them from putting a stop to the people - by whatever means necessary - who exposed them in the past? Thus no knowledge about them in the present (books, video, internet, etc.)

I look forward to learning more about this subject.

Jack

i have thought the same thing time and time again and have come up with one conclusion that "may" explain why .

maybe they didnt have the technology but had the info knowledge .
they may have needed society to grow first before being able to make such technology .

my asumption i this .

when 2012 comes around , they will have the means to leave this planet , and probarbly will do so , when they deside to do this , they will try and kill as may human as possible and put us right back into the stone age .

this gives them time to get away and makes us go through the whole senario of having to survive and make our planet civilised and technologicly advanced , all over again .
giving them plenty of time to cut and run and prepare for any come back should there be any .

thats about it i suppose .

other than that , unless they love the long drag , like all ritualistic beasts , they have to wat until certain astrological aligments take place to do their rituals , thus making it take so long .

if this cannot be true , then we are fighting fo nothing other than a complete lie .
some how though , regarding all i have known , tere is definatly something wrong , and it isnt human in design .

[thetonic]

First, assuming there are secret societies, the Illuminati or whomever, for thousands of years, why have they failed their objective to rule the world and control everyone on the planet?

If they are so powerful, advanced, and elite - why has it not been done so far?




They have not failed unfortunately

They are in control right now as we speak, trust me ;)

Welcome to the forum by the way, I would turn around and go back the way you came honestly

[size_of_light]

Hi jack, welcome.

Michael Tsarion is a researcher who gives one good version of the answer to these questions.

He explains that up until recent times, the majority of people on the planet were living in poverty and oppression anyway.

It's only in the last couple of hundred years, and much more acutely in the last century or so that the masses have had access to the education and information that was previously reserved for the elite.

The elites allowed this to happen because they needed a well-educated, skilled workforce to advance the agenda at that particular point in time.

It's been a double-edged sword for them though, because although they've benefited from this explosion of culture to move things on, it's also resulted in them facing, for the first time, an an equal and effective opposition, i.e. an educated public who are beginning to become aware of the manipulation that has been going on for millenia.

You can check out his book "Atlantis, Alien DNA and Genetic Manipulation" online, if you're interested - I think you can still download the whole thing for free, where he discusses the symbolism issue in great detail as well.

[marpat]

Hello!

I have recently started reading about Illuminati, secret societies, conspiracy theories, NWO, etc. Quite fascinating stuff. Some materials very convincing.

However, there are two things that I am seriously pondering about that I could not find an answer. And I don't think they are dumb questions.

First, assuming there are secret societies, the Illuminati or whomever, for thousands of years, why have they failed their objective to rule the world and control everyone on the planet?

If they are so powerful, advanced, and elite - why has it not been done so far?

And second, if they are secret, how could have they possibly been revealed? I am reading about symbols and numerical clues they leave behind, but if they wish to remain secret and stealth, why would they leave clues?

Also let's say they screwed up and revealed themselves, if they are so powerful, advanced, and elite, what prevented them from putting a stop to the people - by whatever means necessary - who exposed them in the past? Thus no knowledge about them in the present (books, video, internet, etc.)

I look forward to learning more about this subject.

Jack

Very good questions. You are right to ask this sort of question rather than just believe the theories that get passed around as if they are factual truth.

My own feeling is that if they were so powerful and advanced then why is it that they have not achieved control in all of this time. Surely it would have been easier in the past when people had little in the way of communications, less knowledge, largely illiterate and were often living as slaves.

Personally I dont believe that they are such a unified all reaching power. I do believe that alliances between countries rise because they have common ambitions and that such things waver and vary according to circumstances. My own feeling is that is is the nature of evil people to thrust themselves into power for their own use and abuse rather than for the benefit of some underground network. Such people may use many abhorrent schemes to gain and retain power and this may happen in many countries but this does not mean they are working towards a common agenda. They may seek links between each other but that is the nature of trade rather than an agenda. If they want stuff that belongs to other nations they either have to trade with them or fight with them.

[tylerstoast]

My own feeling is that is is the nature of evil people to thrust themselves into power for their own use and abuse rather than for the benefit of some underground network. Such people may use many abhorrent schemes to gain and retain power and this may happen in many countries but this does not mean they are working towards a common agenda. They may seek links between each other but that is the nature of trade rather than an agenda. If they want stuff that belongs to other nations they either have to trade with them or fight with them.

My views also. I believe in the corruption and evil that exists but just dont see those with power operating in a wholeheartedly concerted way in relation to a global agenda.

The "evidence" can at times be interesting but rarely does it go beyond anyones personal opinion, no matter how well presented.

I take a positive spin and think that at least its worth considering as part of a checks and balances approach to thinking.

I had the mis-fortune of working for and with the recent labour cabinet (mostly spads and support staff) and the worst I saw was incompetence and mostly selfish motives to get on the gravy train, no hint of hidden global agreements or jewish plots.

Of course, I`m also apparently a carrot eating masonic donkey who is waiting to take orders from my controller - who I only just found out is Keystone. Hope he doesnt order me to do anything sexual.

The last paragraph is meant in jest.....

[cruise4]

They are in control. They haven't failed in that regard. But dictators rise and fall, civilisations rise and fall.... but a technocracy along with genetic engineering may last forever... which to a psychopath would equate to... at last we can rest easy, not that they would. It's not part of their nature. They needed slaves, and slaves that think they are free don't revolt so out and out oppression was perhaps deemed not apropriate until now.

As for the discovery thing... there is an occult connection and perhaps they have to 'announce' their plans in some measure and somehow gain mass acceptance through deception or something? They might be just arrogant. They might be communicating with each other without dangerous meetings. The symbols may be archetypes speaking to our collective conciousness or something. Or perhaps the abundance we see now have just built up over time. And whilst you might hide a molehill, a mountain is somewhat trickier. The bigger the organisation, the more visible are its effects. Don't forget the inquisition. There might be 'sides', there are insiders, there are the disenfranchised, there are the snubbed.

There's probably plenty more reasons... but that's a start.

[thetonic]

They are in control. They haven't failed in that regard. But dictators rise and fall, civilisations rise and fall.... but a technocracy along with genetic engineering may last forever... which to a psychopath would equate to... at last we can rest easy, not that they would. It's not part of their nature. They needed slaves, and slaves that think they are free don't revolt so out and out oppression was perhaps deemed not apropriate until now.

As for the discovery thing... there is an occult connection and perhaps they have to 'announce' their plans in some measure and somehow gain mass acceptance through deception or something? They might be just arrogant. They might be communicating with each other without dangerous meetings. The symbols may be archetypes speaking to our collective conciousness or something. Or perhaps the abundance we see now have just built up over time. And whilst you might hide a molehill, a mountain is somewhat trickier. The bigger the organisation, the more visible are its effects. Don't forget the inquisition. There might be 'sides', there are insiders, there are the disenfranchised, there are the snubbed.

There's probably plenty more reasons... but that's a start.

bingo

[marpat]

They are in control. They haven't failed in that regard. But dictators rise and fall, civilisations rise and fall.... but a technocracy along with genetic engineering may last forever... which to a psychopath would equate to... at last we can rest easy, not that they would. It's not part of their nature. They needed slaves, and slaves that think they are free don't revolt so out and out oppression was perhaps deemed not apropriate until now.

As for the discovery thing... there is an occult connection and perhaps they have to 'announce' their plans in some measure and somehow gain mass acceptance through deception or something? They might be just arrogant. They might be communicating with each other without dangerous meetings. The symbols may be archetypes speaking to our collective conciousness or something. Or perhaps the abundance we see now have just built up over time. And whilst you might hide a molehill, a mountain is somewhat trickier. The bigger the organisation, the more visible are its effects. Don't forget the inquisition. There might be 'sides', there are insiders, there are the disenfranchised, there are the snubbed.

There's probably plenty more reasons... but that's a start.

But if they are in control then why are is there a constant need to tighten their grip? if you are in control then this is not needed. To my mind anything that goes against the flow of expanding life will fail as it is at odds with the universe and its forces. If these evil people are pitting themselves against that flow then they can only fail. This could be why rulers commit great atrocities when they relise they are finished, last desperate acts.

Symbols are only the contents of the subconsious. We contain higher levels of mind that do not rely on symbols to convey ideas but which allow direct experience. Symbols do not have absolute control of the mind. Not all symbols are universal either so will people respond to symbols that their subconsious is unfamiliar with? will a Muslim respond to a crucifix in the same way as a christian?

Symbols speak to our unconscious but who said that they 'own' the symbols, that the meanings that any control freak gives to them will also apply to the rest of humanity?

There is no doubt that there is evil in high places, even the bible speaks of spiritual evil in high places, but this does not mean that this is part of a global agenda. It could mean that any evil person who wants to retain power will use any means available, even occult.

Part of our arguement was that if they are so advanced then why have they not conditioned events, moulded people to think they can never be free? some believe that people have been genetically modified so why have they not been modified to be subservient?