what are your views in microwaving food [Archive]

Ratiocinator

14-09-2008, 11:29 AM

The short version:

It turns foods into poison. It depletes them of nutrients and changes the molecular structure of fats, sugars, and proteins thus making them alien to the human body (when ingested the immune system thinks the body is under attack. It is).

Microwaving (irradiating) food also destroys practically all of the phytonutrients (the healing / medicinal, protective, properties of plants). A typical person who eats a lot of microwaved foods will become a typical big pharma user.

Microwaves = death.

Ratiocinator

14-09-2008, 11:29 AM

My view on microwaving food is death

Beat me to it!

knightofthegrail

14-09-2008, 11:43 AM

Is there any evidence for this (and not "evidence" that sites experiements on the planet Zarquon ;) )?

Ratiocinator

14-09-2008, 12:13 PM

Is there any evidence for this (and not "evidence" that sites experiements on the planet Zarquon ;) )?

Start here:

http://www.naturalnews.com/021966.html

madthumbs

14-09-2008, 03:51 PM

The short version:

It turns foods into poison.

Yet surprisingly the majority of people in the world are consuming microwaved food, many without any symptoms of poisoning.

It depletes them of nutrients and changes the molecular structure of fats, sugars, and proteins thus making them alien to the human body (when ingested the immune system thinks the body is under attack. It is).

Heat and light also destroys nutrients and changes fats, sugars and proteins. When you cook a steak on the grill, it turns part of it to carbon. :eek:

Microwaving (irradiating) food also destroys practically all of the phytonutrients (the healing / medicinal, protective, properties of plants).

Do you have a link to the study on this, or is this just chain mail nonsense?

Consider campaigning against Dihydrogen Monoxide (http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html)

madthumbs

14-09-2008, 04:04 PM

Start here:

http://www.naturalnews.com/021966.html

The rise of widespread nutritional deficiencies in the western world correlates almost perfectly with the introduction of the microwave oven.

We've also heard that heart disease also correlates with hydrogenate oil, but then so does Chlorinated water, and probably many other things.

Microwave ovens heat food through a process of creating molecular friction, but this same molecular friction quickly destroys the delicate molecules of vitamins and phytonutrients (plant medicines) naturally found in foods.

Sunlight heats through a process of creating molecular friction.

One study showed that microwaving vegetables destroys up to 97% of the nutritional content (vitamins and other plant-based nutrients that prevent disease, boost immune function and enhance health).

Notice how we weren't provide with a link to the study. We can assume then that the vegetables were incinerated in the microwave. With no control group, we could assume that the 3% nutritional content that is left may be more than what you'd get from conventional cooking methods.

Should I continue debunking the "natural news" (newstarget's new guise) nonsense, or do we get the picture?

tracker

14-09-2008, 04:05 PM

my views on microwaving food is that it is bad for you , even though i do microwave my own , i never micro my childrens food .
EVER !

mcmenek1

14-09-2008, 04:17 PM

Microwaved Water & Plants!!!...........have a look at this:

http://www.execonn.com/sf/

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disorder2k8

14-09-2008, 04:25 PM

Depends if you like the thought of low level radio waves jostling all the particles in your food

is it just me or has that plant in the 2nd picture got an aura?

madthumbs

14-09-2008, 06:37 PM

Microwaved Water & Plants!!!...........have a look at this:

http://www.execonn.com/sf/

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Do you really want to base your beliefs on the unscientific science fair projects of children on the internet?

There isn't even a control group, with only one specimen tested. The water containers are different and the tissue is wrapped tightly around the microwaved water specimen. The glass being different could concentrate light rays like a magnifying glass on the specimens. The potted plants clearly show that the plant was clipped to death. You can also see that the microwave specimen has moister soil which could have given it root rot. There are so many other things to consider.

jojo

14-09-2008, 06:48 PM

Interesting article from rense about plants fed pure and microwaved water. After 9 days the plant waterered with the microwave water died.

http://www.rense.com/general70/microwaved.htm

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What It Does To Plants
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Our thanks to Marshall Dudley of Knoxville, TN for sharing his granddaughter, Arielle Reynolds', experiment with us. Both Arielle's mother, Christina, and Grandpa have much to be proud of. Congratulations, Arielle, well done!

Below is a sience fair project that my granddaughter did for 2006. In it she took filered water and divided it into two parts. The first part she heated to boiling in a pan on the stove, and the second part she heated to boiling in a microwave. Then after cooling she used the water to water two identical plants to see if there would be any difference in the growth between the normal boiled water and the water boiled in a microwave. She was thinking that the structure or energy of the water may be compromised by microwave. As it turned out, even she was amazed at the difference.

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stelios

14-09-2008, 08:48 PM

I read an article about microwaves a few years ago and immediately chucked my microwave away.
I have not eaten microwaved food since.

Microwaves genetically modify food and make it virtual poison.
Many of todays health problems are directly caused by microwaves.

Russia during the USSR actually banned microwaves because they knew they were bad.

nofuture

14-09-2008, 09:01 PM

Do you mean the authorities let this go on:eek:

psych641

14-09-2008, 09:52 PM

anyone whos planted as few hundred seeds knows that 2 plants doesnt tell you shit - theres a million reasons why a given plant (or even clone) could die. fungal infections, genetic weakness etc..

I stopped using the microwave a while ago. I think i was freaked out about reports of one malfunctioning - a teflon component in one melted & gave its owner severe polymer fume fever & permanant lung damage.

One of the hypothesis is that it can convert amino acids to their stereo-isomers. (eg. turning natural l-glutamate into the artificial version d-glutamate aka MSG) But last time i checked the only study was saying otherwise (not that that proves anything)

Ratiocinator

15-09-2008, 03:42 AM

Yet surprisingly the majority of people in the world are consuming microwaved food, many without any symptoms of poisoning.

Oh, are you really so sure about this? Why, then, are hospitals filled with diseased people, especially those with cancer, heart disease, and diabetes? And why is human longevity in decline? Take your cointellpro crap elsewhere.

Ratiocinator

15-09-2008, 03:55 AM

We've also heard that heart disease also correlates with hydrogenate oil, but then so does Chlorinated water, and probably many other things.

Try again, but please dispense with the apparent, and copious, inveracities. These things did not emerge concurrently.

Sunlight heats through a process of creating molecular friction.

Are you seriously trying to equate healthy sunlight with harmful microwave oven radiation? Are you so foolish, or do you lie?

Notice how we weren't provide with a link to the study. We can assume then that the vegetables were incinerated in the microwave. With no control group, we could assume that the 3% nutritional content that is left may be more than what you'd get from conventional cooking methods.

You sound like you worship at the high alter of the religion of orthodox, establishment science (which is controlled anyway). Spend some more time on the page I linked to. There you will find a link to further articles which list specific studies, institutions and researchers. If you really want to you could run a search on these people, places and reports. But why would you? Obviously you own a microwave oven shop. Either that or you hate people so much you want to see them suffer.

Should I continue debunking the "natural news" (newstarget's new guise) nonsense, or do we get the picture?

Your lies are far too transparent for any attempt of yours to discredit NaturalNews to have any credibility whatsoever. I am astounded that you continue to post your lies after all these years. Your posts are a joke.

madthumbs

15-09-2008, 06:40 AM

anyone whos planted as few hundred seeds knows that 2 plants doesnt tell you shit - theres a million reasons why a given plant (or even clone) could die. fungal infections, genetic weakness etc..

Thanks for bringing some intelligence to this thread!

I stopped using the microwave a while ago. I think i was freaked out about reports of one malfunctioning - a teflon component in one melted & gave its owner severe polymer fume fever & permanant lung damage.

Teflon is bad stuff, but that's on non-stick pans, and food packaging also. It doesn't mean that microwaved food = poison, but I think you understand this.

I don't own a microwave oven, and sold the one I had for $30 ( was worth much more and was barely used) and bought a $50 convection toaster oven. I take pride in cooking, and microwaving simply isn't the same as grilling, broiling, etc (which molecularly changes food to carbon moreso than microwaving). While I was dealing with GERD (recovered), I also suspected the microwaved food of causing further heartburn, but there's no fact on that: just suspicion from a single incident.

I work in the food industry, and get free microwaved food. I don't refrain from it at work, meanwhile my health is becoming better. I'm over 35 years old and most people say I look ~25.

daytimetwilight

16-09-2008, 12:40 AM

biblegirl

16-09-2008, 12:48 AM

It is my understanding that microwaves produce food that is chemically identical but molecularly different. The changing of the molecular structure is harmful to digestion.

madthumbs

16-09-2008, 03:09 PM

It is my understanding that microwaves produce food that is chemically identical but molecularly different. The changing of the molecular structure is harmful to digestion.

When you char something on the grill you're changing the molecular structure. Where do you think the carbon comes from? If it were really making it something different, it would taste much different as a result, just like how the charring adds flavor.

kingmonkey

16-09-2008, 03:50 PM

Without all the articles, links and mumbo jumbo, think for a second...

can something that heats up food that quickly with radiation, be good for you?

My intuition alone tells me it's bad news. I won't use them.

I agree. I think it's better to not use them and find out they're harmless than the other way around. If you use microwaves alot though, it probably means a fair portion of your diet is made up of junkfood anyway.

madthumbs

17-09-2008, 02:34 AM

I've been consuming microwaved food for over 30 years now. ;)

psych641

17-09-2008, 02:53 AM

When you char something on the grill you're changing the molecular structure. Where do you think the carbon comes from? If it were really making it something different, it would taste much different as a result, just like how the charring adds flavor.

Surely charring would change both the molecular AND chemical structure though?

I suspect the theory (at least one of them) behind the structural difference argument is along the lines of stereo-isomers - basically converting a substance to its mirror image, like a left & right hand. This is one of (many of) the criticisms levelled processed free glutamate (erroneously called MSG) - naturally processed glutamate is always in the l-form, whether produced in plants, animals etc. But artificially produced versions contains (amongst other things) high levels of its stereoisomer, d-glutamate which is alien to natural lifeforms. chemically identical but structurally different :)

Like i said before, last time i had a quick look the only published study i came across that had investigated microwaves and stereoisomers reported negative (no) results, but who knows..

Ratiocinator

17-09-2008, 01:09 PM

I've been consuming microwaved food for over 30 years now. ;)

That would explain it...

And you admit to being in the microwave food industry. Can we say 'credibility'?

madthumbs

17-09-2008, 03:02 PM

That would explain it...

And you admit to being in the microwave food industry. Can we say 'credibility'?

Can we say that all the negative press adds up to nonsense? There have been no real points made against microwave ovens so you attack me now? :cool:

Ratiocinator

17-09-2008, 04:42 PM

Attacking you? Merely pointing out a few pertinent facts, dear boy.

Remove your bias and behold plenty of available information to condemn microwave cooking.

daytimetwilight

17-09-2008, 05:00 PM

daytimetwilight

17-09-2008, 05:09 PM

Can we say that all the negative press adds up to nonsense? There have been no real points made against microwave ovens so you attack me now? :cool:

http://www.ghchealth.com/microwave-ovens-the-proven-dangers.html

http://www.mercola.com/article/microwave/hazards2.htm

http://www.relfe.com/microwave.html

http://www.unhinderedliving.com/microwave.html

http://www.bodyecology.com/07/08/02/microwave_dangers.php

Shall I gather more, or are you good?

madthumbs

18-09-2008, 01:16 AM

I think we already covered your first link:

http://www.ghchealth.com/microwave-ovens-the-proven-dangers.html

Microwaves unsafe for baby's milk

-Duh! Milk wouldn't be heated evenly and could burn a baby. Most people with microwave ovens and babies know this. It has nothing to do with making food poisonous.

Microwaved blood kills patient

Where's the control group? Try heating some blood up in a frying pan and putting it back in someone. :rolleyes:

Just more and more ridiculous arguments.

Ratiocinator

18-09-2008, 06:42 AM

madthumbs

18-09-2008, 03:39 PM

How about this one, which you conviniently failled to address:

"Decrease flavonoids by 97%!
Flavonoids have anti-inflammatory, anti-cancer, and anti-microbial properties."

And the fact that all food enzymes are destroyed in microwaves. But never mind; you just continue with your culture of death practises, M. Thumbs.

Actually I believe this was already covered also. Where is the control group, the before and after pictures (how do we know it wasn't incinerated in the microwave?), etc.. Sunlight and heat destroys vitamins, and flavanoids too.

Ratiocinator

18-09-2008, 04:15 PM

Clearly, then, there is a massive conspiracy against microwave ovens. I wonder who started it? Perhaps Rayburn?

madthumbs

18-09-2008, 04:48 PM

Clearly, then, there is a massive conspiracy against microwave ovens. I wonder who started it? Perhaps Rayburn?

There doesn't need to be a conspiracy, just one person that writes some paranoid nonsense for attention and gets all these other people to be suckers for it, and support it.

I'm apprehensive of microwaved food myself, but this propaganda against it is tripe.

kingmonkey

18-09-2008, 05:44 PM

What's the big deal anyway? If you wanna use a microwave, use one. If you don't, then don't.

Ratiocinator

18-09-2008, 05:58 PM

What's the big deal anyway? If you wanna use a microwave, use one. If you don't, then don't.

The big deal is most people would like to avoid serious illness, disease, pain, disability, premature death, and general misery. Furthermore, most people would like to be as healthy and energetic as possible in order to live life to the full. Microwave ovens are not conducive with such a thing, as they are a product of the culture of death.

kingmonkey

18-09-2008, 06:00 PM

The big deal is most people would like to avoid serious illness, disease, pain, disability, premature death, and general misery. Furthermore, most people would like to be as healthy and energetic as possible in order to live life to the full. Microwave ovens are not conducive with such a thing, as they are a product of the culture of death.

Yeah, but if people are too lazy to research what they're eating etc. then why bother trying to convence them? The sad fact is,alot of people just don't care what they eat, if it tastes nice, in it goes.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I don't use a microwave. But most people I've mentioned it to or diet in general, have said I talk shit. So balls to 'em.

Ratiocinator

18-09-2008, 06:31 PM

Yeah, but if people are too lazy to research what they're eating etc. then why bother trying to convence them? The sad fact is,alot of people just don't care what they eat, if it tastes nice, in it goes.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I don't use a microwave. But most people I've mentioned it to or diet in general, have said I talk shit. So balls to 'em.

The problem is, a shit diet brings these idiots (most people) down, and in turn they bring everyone down.

A good diet is key to individual intelligence, empathy, altruism, and enlightenment (or at least as close to enlightenment as is possible). Once people stop treating their bodies like a landfill site, and when they clear their bowels, the world will be a nice place.

Shit food keeps people stupid, unenlightened, violent, irrational, and subservient to the elite scum.