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Mo0n5tar
12-09-2008, 04:11 PM
9/11 Truth Has Failed To Create Change
09-12-2008
www.roguegovernment.com
Lee Rogers

It is now seven years after the attacks of 9/11 and there is little question that the official story of these events is a complete fraud. Unfortunately, the corporate controlled media has successfully demonized and discredited people who have done legitimate research on these events and question the official story. The media has also used the outrageous and over the top antics of certain people in the 9/11 truth movement to add fuel to this fire. They have done a fantastic job of painting a false reality for the general public to think that anyone who questions the official story must be crazy. At one point in time these antics might have been warranted to get people’s attention, but now with 9/11 truth out in the open these tactics are proving less and less effective. Although it is important for people to understand the true nature of the 9/11 attacks, taking to the streets and yelling about it has played right into the hands of the corporate controlled media and has relegated research on this issue to the fringe.

Sadly, 9/11 truth may eventually be used by the international community to bring down this country. Japanese legislators have started to investigate the 9/11 attacks and have specifically looked at the dubious explanation behind the collapse of WTC-7. If the world begins to find out that 9/11 was actually a false flag terrorist attack used as a pretext for the United States to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, 9/11 truth could potentially be used by the elites as an excuse for a future international invasion of this country. With this in mind, 9/11 truth is a double edged sword that can be used to expose both the criminals that did this and unlock minds, but might at some point be used against this country and the American people. This is certainly something that should be considered by those spreading the truth about what took place on 9/11.

9/11 truth groups are also frequently the targets of provocateurs and infiltrators. Recently a minor explosion near a New York City military recruiting station was blamed on We Are Change which is recognized as one of the most prominent 9/11 truth groups. This was an obvious provocative act designed to demonize and discredit this group. Unfortunately, groups are more easily targeted than empowered individuals who operate outside the scope of any group. Therefore, instead of focusing in on forming groups should we not become our own individual leaders that don’t follow any particular group or person? This would eliminate the possibility of a provocateur dressed up in a 9/11 Inside Job T-shirt from engaging in criminal activity that could be blamed on a large number of people.

With all this in mind, is taking to the streets and yelling that “9/11 was an inside job” really going to effect the change that we are looking for? Perhaps it could, but only if there were millions that marched in the streets instead of a few hundred or a few thousand. Unfortunately, those numbers have not and will probably not materialize anytime soon. Considering that 9/11 is one out of many issues that can be used to change people’s paradigms, would it not be more effective if people put their energy into setting up low powered FM radio stations that broadcast alternative talk radio shows or start up local access TV shows to discuss 9/11 and other issues in a more rational and prudent manner? Would it not be more effective if people became their own leaders instead of following the universally recognized 9/11 truth cult figure of Alex Jones whose recent actions at the Democratic National Convention were used by the mass media complex to further discredit 9/11 research?

While the status-quo might prove great for profiteers who sell 9/11 truth DVDs, 9/11 Inside Job T-shirts and other material, it has not been effective at creating any sort of change in this country. Although at one point it appeared as if the issue of 9/11 could be used to get people on board with what was really happening in this country, the mass media complex has done an excellent job at convincing people that anyone who questions the official story of 9/11 is a crackpot. Considering that it is now seven years after the attacks, it seems clear that the 9/11 truth movement has thus far failed to create change. The information and evidence proving that the official story of 9/11 is a lie is overwhelming yet that information has been neutralized for many of the aforementioned reasons.

Many in the 9/11 truth movement appeared to have only gone down to Ground Zero in 2007 because it was an excuse to get drunk, smoke weed and have a nice little party. It looks as if the same thing is happening again in 2008. Everyone will march around wearing black t-shirts chanting “9/11 was an inside job” and than go get wasted. If that happens on a year to year basis, things are certainly not going to change. Yes it is true that numerous celebrities have come out questioning the official story and more people know that the 9/11 Commission Report is a lie, but has that really changed anything? Why haven’t these millionaire celebrities and rock stars used their status and wealth to do something tangible to help us change things? This is just more proof that the 9/11 truth movement is turning into a cult instead of a legitimate resistance movement.

The very definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and achieving the same result. At first, I really believed that the issue of 9/11 was something that could be used to really change things but unfortunately I was wrong. While we still have a large segment of people obsessing over 9/11 truth, the elites are working on their next move. It is time to move beyond focusing in on just the issue of 9/11 and use 9/11 as just one piece of the puzzle that can be used to unlock the minds of others. This article is not meant to demonize the activism and efforts of others as most 9/11 truth activism has had positive results. Instead, this is an attempt to provide an honest opinion on what 9/11 truth has accomplished to date. Stop following leaders and groups and become your own leader. If we had more leaders than followers of leaders we’d be much more effective at changing things and that is especially true with 9/11 truth. That’s what really needs to happen if things are going to change.

Mo0n5tar
12-09-2008, 04:14 PM
Russia to join the "truth brigade"?

http://russiatoday.com/spotlight/release/1551/video

We will discuss a documentary which is probably the most important film made so far on 9/11. It’s called “Zero” and Russian television is showing it in prime time on the eve of this week's seventh anniversary of the attacks in New York and Washington.

FFS this is proof of how backward our country really is, Freedom of the press> Don't make me LMAO!

mcthompson2x
12-09-2008, 04:17 PM
:rolleyes:

The truth cannot fail, whether people believe in it or not. What is the point of this thread, except to discourage any hope on this? Do you have some sort of suggestion to make? Or are you just trying to create despair? If most Americans never realize that 9/11 was a fraud before it was too late, that doesn't change the fact that it was a fraud. We will always know. We will always be spiritually obligated to tell the truth if the subject comes up or if there is someone who is spouting off total bullshit about it. The truth "movement" does not need to either win or give up, it just needs to exist. That is what the truth does. It does not become victorious, it simply is the way things are.

Coincidentally, a lot of disinfo being put out right now about how the 9/11 truth movement was "a failure" as though somehow that means people who know the truth need to give up. Make sure you are not susceptible to it. I really just don't see the point of declaring it "a failure" when nothing has happened yet. We are gaining more momentum than ever. If anything, the 9/11 truth movement is more powerful now than it ever has been. This is the same type of useless conclusion that the mainstream media draws so that it seems like it has some sort of power over the nature of reality. Conclusions are useless to the collective when not everyone comes to the same one. I am suspicious of any attempt to change the way that other people think, whether it's well-intentioned or not. Sharing information is one thing, declaring an abstract idea has an official status is another.

dangermouse
12-09-2008, 04:19 PM
pfhhh .. gatekeeper article tbh

mcthompson2x
12-09-2008, 04:24 PM
I will say one thing I learned from this thread: don't trust anything you read on roguegovernment.com!

Mo0n5tar
12-09-2008, 04:26 PM
The truth cannot fail, whether people believe in it or not. What is the point of this thread, except to discourage any hope on this?

Yes this is what I believe, simply those who fail to live free and in truth will be the chaff from the wheat so to speak, once we figure out a way to "come out of" iniquity and this exploitative system, I don't agree with the article either it is very defeatist, People have failed to independently assess the facts on offer, to investigate the reality of the situation.

The truth has not failed, however, I do believe we have collectively been silent in regards to this all and hence consented to the continuation of it all, perhaps we could have and could do more, I see many are still stuck in forums debating left and right, black and white etc...

Mo0n5tar
12-09-2008, 04:30 PM
The most important sentence in the article is this:

If the world begins to find out that 9/11 was actually a false flag terrorist attack used as a pretext for the United States to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, 9/11 truth could potentially be used by the elites as an excuse for a future international invasion of this country. With this in mind, 9/11 truth is a double edged sword that can be used to expose both the criminals that did this and unlock minds, but might at some point be used against this country and the American people. This is certainly something that should be considered by those spreading the truth about what took place on 9/11.

And is it not true, half of the country are stuck beside Bush etc and I am sure there are many of their countrymen (truthers) who think they "deserve to die a horrible death", what with Russia pushing the truth angle etc it's looking very much like we were supposed to find out about the False Flag.

mcthompson2x
12-09-2008, 04:31 PM
Yes this is what I believe, simply those who fail to live free and in truth will be the chaff from the wheat so to speak, once we figure out a way to "come out of" iniquity and this exploitative system, I don't agree with the article either it is very defeatist, People have failed to independently assess the facts on offer, to investigate the reality of the situation.

The truth has not failed, however, I do believe we have collectively been silent in regards to this all and hence consented to the continuation of it all, perhaps we could have and could do more, I see many are still stuck in forums debating left and right, black and white etc...

I go back and forth on this, on the one hand I think that more needs to be done, but on the other hand I know that they will only allow so much information to spread at once before they do something drastic. I don't really know how to resolve the issue. Do we press forward, risking having all of us killed before anyone else can wake up, or do we wait to play our hand?

It's a tough question.

Luckily I know it doesn't really matter since the soul is immortal and the body is temporary... whatever happens will be nothing more than a lesson we need to learn from. I am going to wait because I feel like more truth can be spread virally than through actions against the state that put us at danger. Remember that the Source is highly self-preservative! This does not mean to stand up in the face of attack, it just means to do so intelligently and in the most effective way. This way is different for all people! I just hope no one goes and does something stupid, although I have a feeling if we don't fuck up the CIA will infiltrate and do it for us.

dangermouse
12-09-2008, 04:38 PM
For 1 . People are waking up to it more and more and this will accelerate I am sure. The NWO are screwing up allover. Ireland voting No to lisbon treaty is one example.

Mo0n5tar
12-09-2008, 04:39 PM
I think that more needs to be done, but on the other hand I know that they will only allow so much information to spread at once before they do something drastic.

Yes the call to arms springs up in our hearts then the fear of consequence arises in our heads, this "they" you speak of, do not give them so much credit they cannot affect us my friend, maybe imprison us or attack us, but does that not prove we are right to condemn them?

Luckily I know it doesn't really matter since the soul is immortal and the body is temporary... whatever happens will be nothing more than a lesson we need to learn from.

I agree with this point, it is important to become a strong individual and give others something to believe in, we must lead by example and be fearless but we will only be able and given the opportunity when we are ready, it is bigger than 9/11 truth to me, it is about love compassion and the true things in life, it was about completely rearrangin my values and aspirations.

dave52
12-09-2008, 04:42 PM
Check out this BBC Have your say article - the tide is turning, slowly...

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=5289&sortBy=2&edition=1&ttl=20080912164135

mcthompson2x
12-09-2008, 04:43 PM
Yes the call to arms springs up in our hearts then the fear of consequence arises in our heads, this "they" you speak of, do not give them so much credit they cannot affect us my friend, maybe imprison us or attack us, but does that not prove we are right to condemn them?

While you are right, the real question is are we going to wake more people up by being in prison and killed, or are we going to wake more people up by speaking freely and peacefully? I think if they're going to arrest us then fine, but we should only be engaging in peaceful, constitutional dissertation. If we do anything violent or destructive, then we will be arrested and the citizens of the US will believe we deserved it. I am very wary of using the same type of force that is being used against us against those who use it. We may end up getting our heads cut off before we can help anyone do anything... That's why I believe we should all speak out all that we can, but we shouldn't call for violence or destruction, anything like that. That will never win most hearts and minds.

Mo0n5tar
12-09-2008, 04:55 PM
Indeed, it appears the ones charged with upholding the Law have become criminal in intentions and actions, it is up to us to withdraw and affirm a new, more lawful system, which many are currentley doing with the help of Canadian Freemen etc, it's all about learning etc, but it could get to a stage whereby we are lawfully removing these criminals from office, they have their thugs in uniform attempting to intimidate us etc, but it should get to a stage where it is obvious who is in the right, I mean all i want is peace and happiness for all, regardless of race, religion or opinion, when there are millions of US, then there will be no realistic alternative, we need to become the teachers, lawyers, doctors and judges ya know, like Garvey said about the black men..

Mo0n5tar
12-09-2008, 04:57 PM
dave52 very encouraging indeed!

We're in a war against a radical, dangerous and despicable religious zealots.

Mark Newdick, Danbury, CT, United States

I agree, but leaving the American government out of this, what do you think of the muslims!

I laughed hard on reading that one!

cruise4
12-09-2008, 08:00 PM
9/11 is one small part of the overall. Perhaps if the article writer spent more time researching related subjects he wouldn't be quite so quick to post nonsense. If 9/11 is exposed and a few puppets are jailed... nothing has changed. All governments in the world are corrupt, law is corrupt, finance is fraud, Police, Governments and Armies are gangsters, Science is deluded and the economy is slavery.

That's what has to be changed. The USA is NOT the be all and end all... but hopefully the start of taking them all down.

Nothing less than this is acceptable. The people are taking over or I'm leaving :D

lozz
15-09-2008, 04:44 PM
The truth is always the truth no matter how many believe it ;) and the truth will always out......eventually :)