Wouldnt a controlled explosion fall from bottom?

[fuggles]

Wouldnt it fall from the botom of the tower ?

All the comparison videos on youtube show the buildings falling from the bottom that are being demolished.

So my question is, wouldnt it be the same for the WTC

[mercuryrapids]

WTC7 came down in the traditional 'bottom-up' way. It's theorised that the towers were demolished in a 'top-down' way. That would ensure that they didn't topple over.

[duckingdafta]

I would have thought no... controlled means exactly that... the charges are timed to go off to weaken structure then take the base

[fuggles]

WTC7 came down in the traditional 'bottom-up' way. It's theorised that the towers were brought demolished in a 'top-down' way. That would ensure that they didn't topple over.

True, wtc 7 was a typical controlled demolition, or looked like it.

Maybe they can do a top bottom demolition, I wouldnt know.

[mynameis]

If you topple the building with the weight of the upper portion, the building will use its it's girth to fall straight down. However, the building's plummet should not fail symmetrically as in WTC 7.

[jamesk]

All the comparison videos on youtube show the buildings falling from the bottom that are being demolished.

So my question is, wouldnt it be the same for the WTC

It depends on where you put the exploive charges - bottom up, top down, or middle up, middle down. In case of the twin towers the charges started at very close to the point of impact of the "planes" that had hit an hour earlier.

If you watch closely, you will see that at first the charges go up from the impact point, then (when the top has commpletly pulverised), they start going down the building - and you see the pulverised dust shooting out, to engulf most of manhattan in several inches of white dust, as if snow had come early.

[mynameis]

It depends on where you put the exploive charges - bottom up, top down, or middle up, middle down. In case of the twin towers the charges started at very close to the point of impact of the "planes" that had hit an hour earlier.

If you watch closely, you will see that at first the charges go up from the impact point, then (when the top has commpletly pulverised), they start going down the building - and you see the pulverised dust shooting out, to engulf most of manhattan in several inches of white dust, as if snow had come early.

I concur with you too about that. White smoke can be seen emanating early in all the videos at the base of the towers.

[lightgiver]

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=lF2FkUXafSI

this guy was the janitor.he was in the one of the towers when the basement explosions went off,so the building was rigged at the basement because this is where the testimonies from eye witness state they heard explosions 1st;)also the building was rigged in places where the towers would fall without toppling over,that's why all the concrete was pulverised. All the info is out there,this is just a snippet.

[christophera]

WTC7 came down in the traditional 'bottom-up' way. It's theorised that the towers were brought demolished in a 'top-down' way. That would ensure that they didn't topple over.

Exactly ................ , in fact, considering what was taken apart, and, ........... and there being only one type structure which can be evidenced from images of 9-11, it is not short of an f'n miracle that 1,350 footers built as they can be evidenced, could get all that material, on the ground, ready to haul off in many respects, in a 20 second dismantle/demo time total, for 2 towers.

Unfortunately, ..... a very dark miracle. Knowledge of engineering used in fearful dominance by an animal mind to control, ......... for the sake of control.

How does this, which can only be steel reinforced concrete,

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

turn into Sand and gravel (http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/2001/10/wtc/pdrm1943.jpg) in only 5 of 20 seconds?

(Perhaps, from reports, is where the demo total goes over 20, perhaps 30-35)

And the last of the first 1/2 looks and sounds like this (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5860825099435530591&q=5860825099435530591&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0).

[christophera]

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=lF2FkUXafSI

so the building was rigged at the basement because this is where the testimonies from eye witness state they heard explosions

After these reports come out, and we don't get enough (media complicit) we learn that there were small explosions in a number of places.

Personally, since the only possible way I can find to induce buildings do what those did is to build them to do that, when your done with them standing around that is. Or in our infiltrated governments case, to scream, "attack" and use our armies in retaliation.

That said, knowing the extent of perfect placement and distibution needed to get the effect well recorded, the explosions in various people heard before the demo were planted for people to hear, witness and report for the sole purpose of distracting from the super sophistication of the high speed delay demo coupled with the engineered explosive containers the concrete of the towers became with DOD self destruct designs implimented in sub bases and missile silos in the 1960's. A technique invented by seal divers which I read about in a mens magazine in 1974.

It was critical to the ruse to create differences. So critical that work was done inside the towers to compromise them more specifically, structurally, so there downing would appear less engineered. There are quite a few reports of such work being done months before 9-11 on closed of floors by workers in adjacent floors.

The molten metal pouring out of the corner of WTC 2 is such an instance. It was very important to reinforce the notion of steel melting further up in the towers to accomodate justification physically for the high speed drop of the demo. The steel comes from a zone critical to the perimeter walls which must be compromised completely to get the perimeter to buckle inward into the box of the floor area at that rate (one 40ft section of core was detonated). The tower then hinged on the west side perimeter wall just above WTC 3 (Part of the concrete core of the top of tower 2 falls on WTC 3 (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc2coreonto3.jpg)

The basement blasts were coupled to vibration detectors up in the towers that sensed the plane impacts. The tesimony of, Phillip Morelli matches perfectly many discriptions of the basement mall area being devastated.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Then this,

http://www.chiefengineer.org/article.cfm?seqnum1=1029

Mike Pecoraro told his co-worker to call upstairs to their Assistant Chief Engineer and find out if everything was all right. His co-worker made the call and reported back to Mike that he was told that the Assistant Chief did not know what happened but that the whole building seemed to shake and there was a loud explosion. They had been told to stay where they were and "sit tight" until the Assistant Chief got back to them.

The two decided to ascend the stairs to the C level, to a small machine shop where Vito Deleo and David Williams were supposed to be working. When the two arrived at the C level, they found the machine shop gone.

"There was nothing there but rubble" Mike said. "We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press - gone!" The two began yelling for their co-workers, but there was no answer. They saw a perfect line of smoke streaming through the air. "You could stand here," he said, "and two inches over you couldn't breathe. We couldn't see through the smoke so we started screaming." But there was still no answer.

The two made their way to the parking garage, but found that it, too, was gone. ‘There were no walls, there was rubble on the floor, and you can't see anything’ he said


The concrete walls blew up. That's what the guy Rodriguez saved said when emerging from the stairwell, "The walls are blowing up" (The story has been newly redacted some).

How much time should we spend talking about fake video proving there were no planes?

[mynameis]

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

You do realize that photo is likely doctored by some prankster.

[christophera]

You do realize that photo is likely doctored by some prankster.

Down the original and zoom it. Others have done it and it has been seen it is legit.

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-43.jpg

And, ........ one wall of the above would look like the below in an end view with an interior box column fastened to it still standing over it.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1spirecorewall.jpg

[mynameis]

Down the original and zoom it. Others have done it and it has been seen it is legit.

Where is the original located please?

[mynameis]

The Original Is Legit. I have found the photographer here.
http://www.amanzafar.com

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-43_1_small2.jpg

Next, I analyzed the layout using a methods from light source from the East at 10:00 am, the light diffusion through smoke. The layout and position from a satellite photo.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/eye/images/manhattan_9_15_01_02.jpg

And also this perspective:

http://fousse.com/gallery01/wtc66-s.jpg

http://fousse.com/wtc-special2.html

And this perspective:

http://hister68.50megs.com/GZ992004crossriver.gif

http://hister68.50megs.com/GZ992004.html

The map here:

http://wirednewyork.com/wtc/wtc_map.htm

http://wirednewyork.com/wtc/images/wtc_nytimes.gif

1. 1 World Trade Center
2. 2 World Trade Center
3. Marriott Hotel
4. 4 World Trade Center
5. 5 World Trade Center
6. 6 World Trade Center
7. 7 World Trade Center
8. North Bridge
9. 1 Liberty Plaza
10. East River Savings Bank
11. Millennium Hilton
12. Federal Bldg (90 Church St.)
13. N.Y. Telephone Bldg
14. 3 World Financial Center
15. 2 World Financial Center
16. South Bridge
17. 1 World Financial Center
18. St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church
19. 90 West Street
20. 130 Liberty St (Bankers Trust Building)
21. 4 World Financial Center
22. 30 West Broadway
23. 14 Wall Street
24. Winter Garden

All this to triangulate a position on the object in the questionable photo of the core.

I took the information and enlarged the picture to enhance the smoky image under negative:

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/2025/wtc431small3jd2.jpg

Then, I next see these lines taking shape.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/2318/wtc431small2jy6.jpg

I find that in my opinion the shape from the perspective lines take the dimensions of the Hilton Millennium hotel. Is this definitive? You can check the angles out from the spot in Jersey where the photographer was located angles and all.

[christophera]

This should prove the point. The next shot in the series.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcore2stands.gif

[mynameis]

Although concealed by smoke there is still a persistent object there, which I believe to be the Millennium Hilton. If I lived in New Jersey a picture could be taken to know this for certain. Sleuth out the position of the photographer's vantage. The Hister 68 photo shows the buildings height from perspective can be equalized depending on the location of where the photograph is taken, zoom, and all atmospheric conditions. On the shore the Hister 68 photo would be down the docks more on the East side of the river along the New Jersey shore with the vantage point on the world trade center. So it would be to the right of the observer for the Aman's pictures. This would place the persistent building which I believe is the Millennium Hilton, which is given less stature due to smoke and zoom out by Aman in the shot that was posted most recently. It is at or near negligible difference in the Hister 68 shot that nearly replicates Aman's. Also note how the world financial building three is slightly more sizable in stature than the Millennium in this shot, which is due to perspective location and zoom without many atmospheric conditions; smoke. Note the size of the Millennium and the size of the width of the blue lines in the persistent object. Are they near the same size? Aman's shot is zoom in more slightly, but you get the picuture that Hister 68's shot is zoomed out more than Aman's. It is also my opinion that the sharp triangular shape is actually part of the smoke cloud that is blended smoke, which is the same color of the persistent structure.

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/9702/wtc441small4id3.jpg
http://hister68.50megs.com/GZ992004crossriver.gif

[christophera]

Sleuth out the position of the photographer's vantage.

Yes, there is a stub of the core left in thet last image.


This subject was well investigated and documented on the Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice discussion forum back in 2007,

http://gordonssite.com/album/align2.jpg

The upper red line shows the origin and path from the place the pictures were taken.

Ross Gordon made this overlay for a google map. My results are identical. It was proven several different ways that this image shows the core of WTC 2.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

[mynameis]

Yes, there is a stub of the core left in thet last image.


This subject was well investigated and documented on the Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice discussion forum back in 2007,

http://gordonssite.com/album/align2.jpg

The upper red line shows the origin and path from the place the pictures were taken.

Ross Gordon made this overlay for a google map. My results are identical. It was proven several different ways that this image shows the core of WTC 2.


Find this location. Is this the second red line? If so it runs concurrent with the line of sight directly facing the Millennium Hotel.
http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-93_1_small.jpg

You have a red line from Staten island that is incorrect. The photos of Aman were taken from the Jersey shore. That in my opinion isn't the core of any building it is the Hotel. Colgate Clock.

[tracker]

whilst not being an expose expert my self , a massive tower like those , would probarbly not fall very well if exploded at the botom . thats why they fell as neatly as they did , each layer capchering the layer above , if they fell from the bottom , they could have fallen in a very bad way , probarly killing those who did it in the proccess , who probarbly were , like all crims ,( returning the scene of the crime ) standing down the street just watching to make sure it happened right .

:rolleyes:

[christophera]

Find this location. Is this the second red line? If so it runs concurrent with the line of sight directly facing the Millennium Hotel.
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcore2stands.gif

You have a red line from Staten island that is incorrect. The photos of Aman were taken from the Jersey shore. That in my opinion isn't the core of any building it is the Hotel. Colgate Clock.

yes, I felt the red line from Staten was obviously incorrect and needed no explanation. I've swapped out your image for one that shows the stub of the core before it is altogether gone

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/sitelineWTCcore.gif
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

Nothing is seen where WTC 2 was.
http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-68.jpg

[christophera]

Find this location. Is this the second red line? If so it runs concurrent with the line of sight directly facing the Millennium Hotel.
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcore2stands.gif

You have a red line from Staten island that is incorrect. The photos of Aman were taken from the Jersey shore. That in my opinion isn't the core of any building it is the Hotel. Colgate Clock.

yes, I felt the red line from Staten was obviously incorrect and needed no explanation. I've swapped out your image for one that shows the stub of the core before it is altogether gone

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/sitelineWTCcore.gif
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

This image,

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-115.jpg

Show the location of the Millenium to the left of the WTC 2 core. Now that you know where the Millenium is, you will know that the top of it is peeking out from the left side of the WTC core in the above image.

Nothing is seen where WTC 2 was. (http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-68.jpg)

[mynameis]

Setting all that aside where is the Colgate Clock in this picture?

http://gordonssite.com/album/align2.jpg

Can you answer that truthfully?

[mynameis]

I await your answer.

[christophera]

I await your answer.

What is the colgate clock?

[mynameis]

This image,
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcore2stands.gif

Colgate clock is right there in your picture. It's your picture I assumed you knew? Do you know where Colgate clock is on your map here?

http://gordonssite.com/album/align2.jpg

I will be gone a while so no need to rush. If you know where the Clock is, then you will see why I'm asking this question, I think?

[christophera]

Colgate clock is right there in your picture. It's your picture I assumed you knew? Do you know where Colgate clock is on your map here?

http://gordonssite.com/album/align2.jpg

I will be gone a while so no need to rush. If you know where the Clock is, then you will see why I'm asking this question, I think?

I don't know what the clock is or where it is.

[mynameis]

I don't know what the clock is or where it is.

It's in the photograph you claim is the core. So where is the clock located on the map? Do a simple search.

[christophera]

It's in the photograph you claim is the core. So where is the clock located on the map? Do a simple search.

What is the clock? I see no clock therefore the clock is not important, forget the clock, I have.

The fact that there was a steel reinforced cast concrete core IS important because it proves FEMA has decieved America and the world and I see it right there on the right side of center in the photo.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

[mynameis]

What is the clock? I see no clock therefore the clock is not important, forget the clock, I have.

The fact that there was a steel reinforced cast concrete core IS important because it proves FEMA has decieved America and the world and I see it right there on the right side of center in the photo.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

The clock is important because it gives you the line of sight for your claims that is not the Hilton Millennium hotel.

EDIT: Well what does the line of sight show you from where the clock is located on your map?

[christophera]

The clock is important because it gives you the line of sight for your claims that is not the Hilton Millennium hotel.

This image proves the millenium is not the core of WTC 2 so we don't need the clock.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcore2stands.gif

[mynameis]

This image proves the millenium is not the core of WTC 2.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcore2stands.gif


As does this one.

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-115.jpg

I beg to differ. Sorry to be a stickler. I don't think this is correct.



The line of sight proves its incorrect about where the vantage point of the clock is located, once again. The blue line is where the Colgate Clock is located and it's line of sight. The red circle is the Millennium hotel.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9966/colgateoy8.jpg


http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9251/colgate3nt1.jpg


Colgate Clock map - Google Maps

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-47_1_small.jpg

[christophera]

I beg to differ. Sorry to be a stickler. I don't think this is correct.



The line of sight proves its incorrect about where the vantage point of the clock is located, once again. The blue line is where the Colgate Clock is located and it's line of sight. The red circle is the Millennium hotel.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9966/colgateoy8.jpg


http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9251/colgate3nt1.jpg


http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Colgate+Clock+map&ie=UTF8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ll=40.71006,-74.010934&spn=0.003578,0.00957&t=h&z=17&iwloc=A

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-47_1_small.jpg

I don't think the blue circle is in the right place. It should be just south of Essex street. Otherwise you've made my point for me, thanks. The blue line agrees well with the top of the Millenium peeking out on the left behind the core of WTC 2.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

[mynameis]

I don't think the blue circle is in the right place. It should be just south of Essex street. Otherwise you've made my point for me, thanks. The blue line agrees well with the top of the Millenium peeking out on the left behind the core of WTC 2.

Then here is Essex on this map?

The blue circle is where the clock is.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9966/colgateoy8.jpg

I see Essex and that is not the vantage point for line of sight the clock would be cut out of this picture if that were to be the case. The picture if further back on the right side. Fulton St. is the location of the Millennium and actually the clock being at Essex does not change the fact that the Millennium would be seen through the smoke in the other pictures.

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-47_1_small.jpg

[christophera]

Then here is Essex on this map?

The blue circle is where the clock is.[/IMG]

It is not a clock, it is a giant fan. It's not on the right side of the channel, it's on the left side or immediately south of Essex north of the inlet.

[mynameis]

It is not a clock, it is a giant fan. It's not on the right side of the channel, it's on the left side or immediately south of Essex north of the inlet.

You were saying a fan? Very interesting....
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/43/Colgate_clock_back.jpg/300px-Colgate_clock_back.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgate_Clock_(New_Jersey))

[christophera]

You were saying a fan? Very interesting....
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/43/Colgate_clock_back.jpg/300px-Colgate_clock_back.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgate_Clock_(New_Jersey))

Okay, new one on me. but still it is on the left of the inlet not the right.

[mynameis]

Okay, new one on me. but still it is on the left of the inlet not the right.

The photographer Aman isn't on the left though.

[mynameis]

With the weight of the upper building crashing downwards with gravity what would make a concrete core withstand such punishment?

[christophera]

The photographer Aman isn't on the left though.

His second floor apartment is centered up on the inland end of the inlet. He looks down the center of the inlet.

[christophera]

With the weight of the upper building crashing downwards with gravity what would make a concrete core withstand such punishment?

The concrete core of the Twins was extremly strong. Perhaps the strongest such vertical cast concrete ubular structures inthe world.

High tensile steel rebar installed in greater density than is normally called for creates an astondingly strong structure.

To gic an idea of how strong the rebar was, this image shows about 50 sticks of 3 inch standing free perhaps just over 100 feet tall all having a slight arc.

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg

The C4 failed to detonate onthe vertical bar because of exposure to elements during the 1969 winter. Horizontal bar with fresh explosives was added in the spring and that detonated removing the concrete.

[mynameis]

His second floor apartment is centered up on the inland end of the inlet. He looks down the center of the inlet.


This?

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-2_1_small.jpg

[christophera]

Exactly the view he had from his apartment.

Damm, for the longest time I thought that thing was a fan.

[mynameis]

Exactly the view he had from his apartment.

Damm, for the longest time I thought that thing was a fan.

Don't worry I thought it was something far worse.....

[christophera]

So does the clock still work? Can it be read in the photos?