Are some "new-age" gurus trying to dumb us down? [Archive]

lostinstrangeworld

09-09-2008, 10:45 PM

I was listening to this radio interview earlier, in which someone mentioned that the Dalai Lama is in favour of microchipping.

A few times I have read that some age gurus could be working with the powers that be.

It's always important to use our own discretion and intuition in these matters.

I have just been thinking..... Is it possible that some of these gurus are actually trying to dumb us down, by persuading us not to look ahead so much, to just accept things as they are, and not to try and change things?

Are they trying to brainwash us into a sense of complacency....acceptance....and apathy?

I personally feel....for example....that anger in itself is not negative. It all depends on the way we channel it. Without anger there would be no fuel for motivation. Anger as an energy is not in itself negative...but is the very fuel which inspires us to get off our rears and do something to stand up for what we believe in.

lizzy

10-09-2008, 12:49 AM

You are right they are.......the new-age in all it's various forms is herding us towards a one world religion....only christianity and Islam stands in the way of this...

but I am going to start opting for the love and word of jesus just because it's anti NWO........no churches , just the vibe is right.....

can't do buddism....don't believe in re-incarnation.........

deafbred

10-09-2008, 01:08 AM

when these new age educators present, they can seem to tend to become a replica of the problem we are facing now

bendoon

10-09-2008, 01:25 AM

Almost all of them are, the ones that aren't trying are aswell.

The new age is the religion of the NWO.

dedicate

10-09-2008, 02:42 AM

You believe everything you here on the radio? It's difficult for me to believe that the Dalai Lama would agree to microchipping PEOPLE.

The rest of you use the word New Age, like you know what you are talking about. PFFT!

P.S. Dalai Lama is not New Age. And a guru is a hindu.

bendoon

10-09-2008, 02:47 AM

New Age, like you know what you are talking about. PFFT!

P.S. Dalai Lama is not New Age.

New age is all the new spiritual gobbledegook that has emerged since the internet, all it does is confuse people and give them false hopes, keeping them inside the system when they think they are free.

iamalivingsign

10-09-2008, 02:52 AM

I hate to be a bitch but David did write about this in the book infinite love is the only truth..... Sometimes it seems most people who comment on this forum have never read his work at all. New age is just a different face on the same old rigid belief system of religion.

dedicate

10-09-2008, 02:53 AM

New Age is "new spiritual gobbledegook that has emerged since the internet". I'm sure that clears up the matter for everyone.

So, there is the first definition. Anyone else want to try?

dedicate

10-09-2008, 02:55 AM

"New age is just a different face on the same old rigid belief system of religion." -- that's a good one. Go stand in the corner.

bluestar

10-09-2008, 03:04 AM

L,

Most so called guru's of the new age are false prophets. Many people having a minor awakening think themselves enlightened or "spiritual".
All they have realy done is had a simple awakening experience. True major spiritual initiations (though increasing) are still relatively rare throughout the "new age scene".
So-called yoga teachers, healers, meditation masters have realy cheapened sacred concepts and this heart feels that this was the purpose of "The new age".
I read a great little book a couple of years ago called ET 101- it said something along the lines that "What we are calling the New Age- is just the end of the old age".
The true new age is yet to come.

bluestar

10-09-2008, 03:11 AM

Excuse the christian conotations-
I always found an interesting parrallel with jesus and the pharisees. The pharisees always followed the rites, looked the part, said the "right spiritual words" but as jesus said - they speak the words but they are unrealised in the heart (something along those lines).
The same is with the priests, scribes, doctors etc- he always strongly rebuked them for hypocrisy.

bendoon

10-09-2008, 03:16 AM

Anyone else want to try?

You have a cutting tongue dedicate :D

Lets hear your (witty) definition.

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New Age; The age of Aquaripants

dedicate

10-09-2008, 03:38 AM

bluestar.. Good post, and I would like to shore up something you mentioned.

But first, you said, "Most so called guru's of the new age are false prophets. Many people having a minor awakening think themselves enlightened or "spiritual". All they have realy done is had a simple awakening experience. True major spiritual initiations (though increasing) are still relatively rare throughout the "new age scene".So-called yoga teachers, healers, meditation masters have realy cheapened sacred concepts and this heart feels that this was the purpose of "The new age".

You find this a big problem do you? Funny I never had any problem finding good -- very good -- teachers. Maybe I'm lucky. Sure some yoga/meditations teachers I've gone to were somewhat secular, but I've never encountered a teacher who was trying to put one over on me. Never. I mean -- IN PERSON, someone I've met. Not some book, because I've read a few of those which were obviously fakers/misguides.

But you mentioned something about the New Age that most people miss. If there is a New Age Religion, it is not even here yet. People who are said to be practicing the New Age Religion,, are really just pointing to the religion that may some day be. That religion will probably be very personal and expressed in ways that few could even understand today while utilizing all those so called New Age tools and systems we see and label.

I read that ET-101. I thought it interesting too. I believe that was put out by "NEW AGERS" Four Winds.

Edit: And "Yes" bendoon. The New Age, is also the age of Aquarius as you so ??? put it.

bluestar

10-09-2008, 07:33 AM

Hey Dedicate,

you said-Funny I never had any problem finding good -- very good -- teachers. Maybe I'm lucky. Sure some yoga/meditations teachers I've gone to were somewhat secular, but I've never encountered a teacher who was trying to put one over on me. Never. I mean -- IN PERSON, someone I've met. Not some book, because I've read a few of those which were obviously fakers/misguides.

In terms of vibration and true gnosis have only met a very few true teachers out there. (Gnosis meaning true divine experience). Most today are merely enganged in lucerferian (imitation) spirituality.
Divine vibration being very distinct to those who can differentiate between the two. The so-called new age supermarket is filled with frauds and it is a sad understanding that though their intentions seem to be in the right place, they are self deluded. Most only having touched the more subtle ethers and spheres (these are still not divine). They are lost in the delusions of what is known by some as "I" spirituality.

drael

10-09-2008, 08:31 AM

No, not really.

Religion in general is a dumbing down of what is actually inexpressable in words (the mystic experience). It can be expressed, to those in the know, via metaphor, allegory, story, poetry etc. This however is usually taken literally by all who read it, not understanding the metaphors, leading to vast nonsense.

So, we have the experience, and then that degrades through literal interpretation until it doesnt resemble the mystic experience at all. This is totally typical of all religions, throughout all history. It always happens.

Keeping in mind also, mysticism is fairly new to the mainstream western civilisation as well, so early comprehension was very poor.

Just look at the bible. Same thing. Theres gems in there, but also total crap. Koran, buddhism, etc. "Prophets" are turning in their graves!

Ohh, and FYI, new age comes from the 60s (or even earlier considering 50s and 19th century esotericism), not the internet. The main defination is not crystals etc, but as pointed out, the beleif we are entering a new age (thusly now connected to 2012 a fair bit)

And people are already dumb, they dont need convincing to be apathetic.

I dont doubt though, that just like christianity and the bible, their are power plays involved in some of the misconceptions - at the very least money. Im sure the degegration of non-materialist ideas of the mystic experience is in the ptb's interest, and there are books and "teachers" that preach very nonsense materialist ideas, like in "the secret". Same as christianities early days. Id say its prolly degraded less so far than other mkainstream western religions, but the materialism and "create ur own reality" stuff is like a runaway freight train, getting further from the truth every minute.

And also, as pointed out, dalai lama isnt new age at all. Hes a buddhist. I also doubt he supports microchipping, sounds like internet tabloid-site stories....

dedicate

10-09-2008, 08:39 AM

"Met a few -- very few-- teachers out there".. That's good isn't it?

"Most today are merely engaged in lucerferian (imitation) spirituality."-- Are you talking about teachers? Are you saying there are more than a few teachers out there claiming something that they don't have? Or offering something that they can't deliver? Who are these teachers? I want to know.

Now if you are talking about the followers, then that is something entirely different.-- a horse of a different color as they say.

Two people that I respect are Gregg Bradon, Deepak, and Ken Wilber/ (that's three, but I could name more). Then there are so many excellent Zen teachers. Tebetian's too. And a few Gurus, like Da Kalki, (if that is what he is called now), Chinmoy, Baba. I like these and they seem to be real deal. To tell you the truth the only "New Age" teacher, Guru, or teacher, or whatever, I don't like is B.Creame. I'm sure there are others but I can't think of one. Who are they?

size_of_light

10-09-2008, 10:01 AM

..he could hardly be described as a new age guru.

In reference to the question of whether or not he's in favour of microchipping, it's useful to reflect on how the facts can be misinterpreted and distorted, and then further deformed by a 'chinese whisper' effect.

Unless I'm mistaken, he did mention a microchip, or a chip, at least once, during an interview.

What was the context?

The context was, the importance of having a good heart and the positive motivation to benefit all beings. The Dalai Lama made a comment to the effect that, if they invented a chip that you could install that meant you could only benefit all other beings, he would be the first to have one implanted.

Apologies to all involved if this is not completely accurate - someone can google the interview and post it perhaps, but that was essentially the context and the point.

lostinstrangeworld

10-09-2008, 02:01 PM

To be honest, I don't really like the term "New-Age".

"New-Age" is simply a term used to describe a VAST, WIDE and VARIED spirituality which has emerged and simply differs from the organized religious systems which have been around in the recent timeline.

What we call "New Age" isn't so new.

I wish I hadn't used the term now, but words are always limited!

I certainly don't think we should brush off all so called "New Age" teachings and stuff that have come forward by simply saying its all bad, that it's all just to do with the NWO, etc, etc. :rolleyes:

I don't think I'll be using the term "New Age" again! At least I'll try. :rolleyes:

With SO many DIFFERENT things which come under the ridiculous UMBRELLA term of New-Age, there will surely be some that came about due to positive intentions, and some of it that did/ does not.

I hope this helps to clarify. :D

kweli

10-09-2008, 02:37 PM

New Age is "new spiritual gobbledegook that has emerged since the internet". I'm sure that clears up the matter for everyone.

So, there is the first definition. Anyone else want to try?

'The term "New Age" refers to the coming astrological Age of Aquarius. The New Age Movement first appeared in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries, gained momentum in the 1960s and 1970s, strengthened in the 1980s, and organized with the Harmonic Convergence in 1987'

Probably helped along greatly by the publication of the masonic magazine 'New Age' first published in 1904.

http://www.scottishrite.org/web/journal-files/Issues/jan-feb04/boettjer.htm

element

10-09-2008, 05:38 PM

New Age is a stupid term.

People here use everything to shut off as new age, when they dislike something.

Even David Icke would be seen as a new ager to many people..

matt d

10-09-2008, 06:07 PM

size_of_light

10-09-2008, 06:12 PM

Also has anyone read Neale Donald Walsches Conversations with God?
"Chanelled "material , really interesting read , but the penny drops bigtime
on book 2 or 3 when "God" starts saying how brave SNR Bush is to bring forward the NWO . Makes me think of CIA mind control (voices ) .

No shit? I only ever glimpsed a few paragraphs in the bookshop and saw the TV movie, and thought it was a pretty standard self-help book with some metaphysics and a novel twist.

Unfortunately, if God is backing George Bush Snr., I will have to become a Satanist.

lostinstrangeworld

10-09-2008, 07:03 PM

Also has anyone read Neale Donald Walsches Conversations with God?
"Chanelled "material , really interesting read , but the penny drops bigtime
on book 2 or 3 when "God" starts saying how brave SNR Bush is to bring forward the NWO . Makes me think of CIA mind control (voices ) .

Gosh! :eek:

I didn't know that.

I had thought Walsche was a pretty cool guy.

size_of_light,
Unfortunately, if God is backing George Bush Snr., I will have to become a Satanist.
LOL.

I don't trust either of them....God or Satan.....they both seem to be conspiring together!

Actually I think both are, in the way many think of them, artificial concepts anyway.

bluestar

11-09-2008, 02:20 AM

Yes - the books by neale mcdonald walsch lack a divine vibration. He is channelling his lipika (False higher self/personal lucifer) admixed with emotion. It is funny how so many new agers think that being high, deep, sad, or happy in emotions has anything to do with spirit.
Just because people use the word God and Spirit does not mean they have had any divine contact. In fact most such channelled material only come from discarnate entities within the subtle spheres. I would add to this A Course In Miracles which does not have a divine vibration. This usually causes contention in some! I would add to the rubbish pile about 95% of most new age books- there are a few little gems though;such as Jonathon Livingston Seagul, illusions, the celestine prophecy, A gift from daniel, the starseed transmissions etc
For those who have the ability to discern vibrationaly such material (it is hard for many)they will understand such things.

I think it funny that hitler burnt books to keep people from waking up, today it is the opposite. The illuminanti have found a much better way to keep the public asleep. Saturate the book shelves,internet, TV programming, Cultural events, Media- with so much useless, trivial and mindless trash that collective humanity is unable to seek the essential through all the rubbish.
Humanity assists them by producing so much ego based material that those true guides, books and events go unheard, not read and unseen.

drael

11-09-2008, 02:55 AM

I think it funny that hitler burnt books to keep people from waking up, today it is the opposite. The illuminanti have found a much better way to keep the public asleep. Saturate the book shelves,internet, TV programming, Cultural events, Media- with so much useless, trivial and mindless trash that collective humanity is unable to seek the essential through all the rubbish.
Humanity assists them by producing so much ego based material that those true guides, books and events go unheard, not read and unseen.

I beleive this is the exact same strategy they have used all along. In alantis/babylon/the first civilisation and beyond, they simply take the true, and mix it with the false. According to many legends, this is how that society fell.

If u read the emerald tablets of thoth, it shows this in implication.

Simply take whats true and bend it.

Fortunately that always leaves a grain of truth, a puzzle maze from which to extract oneself.

In the end, with freely easily shared information, that may be their undoing.....

awakensong

11-09-2008, 03:10 AM

New Age is a stupid term.

People here use everything to shut off as new age, when they dislike something.

Even David Icke would be seen as a new ager to many people..
No, nobody would think that, with his shamanism, ayajuasca and channeling. ;)

lostinstrangeworld

11-09-2008, 04:17 AM

size_of_light

11-09-2008, 04:56 AM

Anyone can claim to channel anything and it's impossible for anyone else to know if they're telling the truth. The only thing you can do is assess the information on it's merits and see if it rings true, and even then, it's only second-hand information, you're still free to ignore it. If the 'message' contains anything that pressures you into accepting it's authenticity or authority without any proof other than the claim of the channeler, that's a pretty good sign not to take it too seriously.

matt d

11-09-2008, 05:57 PM

Gosh! :eek:

I didn't know that.

I had thought Walsche was a pretty cool guy.

size_of_light,

LOL.

I don't trust either of them....God or Satan.....they both seem to be conspiring together!

Actually I think both are, in the way many think of them, artificial concepts anyway.

http://spiritlibrary.com/spiritual-videos/neale-donald-walsch-about-god-new-world-order

ichi wa zen

11-09-2008, 08:54 PM

No, nobody would think that, with his shamanism, ayajuasca and channeling. ;)

You forgot aliens from mars, shapeshifting reptilians, the five sense conspiracy, 2012, love is the only truth and everything is illusion/hallucination/hologram/projection/3d.

tracker

11-09-2008, 08:57 PM

Size of light , seems to have it summed up pretty well , i echo size of light on this topic .:cool:

awakensong

11-09-2008, 09:09 PM

You forgot aliens from mars, shapeshifting reptilians, the five sense conspiracy, 2012, love is the only truth and everything is illusion/hallucination/hologram/projection/3d.
:D ;) Well, I considered those things to all fall into the shamanism category, but yes, let's get it all spelled out.

seanx

11-09-2008, 10:04 PM

Bendoon wrote:

New age is all the new spiritual gobbledegook that has emerged since the internet, all it does is confuse people and give them false hopes, keeping them inside the system when they think they are free.

Yep, nothing like your biblical christianity with its virgin births, its
Saviours who will save you if you obey them - and destroy you
if you don't!!

No, that's all pretty sane stuff!

What's that saying, don't throw stones if you're in a glasshouse...

iamalivingsign wrote:

I hate to be a bitch but David did write about this in the book infinite love is the only truth..... Sometimes it seems most people who comment on this forum have never read his work at all. New age is just a different face on the same old rigid belief system of religion.

Totally correct- but then none of these people have ever read
an Icke book- that's why they write so much hot air.

eternal_spirit

11-09-2008, 10:19 PM

Totally correct- but then none of these people have ever read
an Icke book- that's why they write so much hot air.

So now you're omnipotent;)

awakensong

11-09-2008, 11:29 PM

Isn't the correct word "omniscient"?

bluestar

12-09-2008, 01:38 AM

Every book, song, writing, speech, etc has a vibratory signature. Some beings have the ability to discern that which have a living signature (divine) and those that have a aeonic one. A lot of people assume that because a book contains so-called wisdom or makes one feel high or good that its source is divine. This is completely untrue!
A living vibration can touch the soul of a being and stimulate true awakening via the divine spark while the other only nourishes the personality.
A Course in Miracles is a long course to no where.
In truth all books are a form of channelling, whether the vibration comes from ones soul, personality, certain planes of existance or certain entities. That which nourishes ones personality (ego) even if it bathes it in astral "love and light" still only serves to keep a being in illusion. The New age scene has becme enthralled with astral reality thinking it "spiritual" or "divine"- it is not. That is why more awakened beings today are not encouraging astral "love and light" because everyone has become drunk on it. The dark lodges seek to keep people there because it is where they retain their dominance and control. Many people do not realise that the dark lodge works on higher planes then the gross material and so they can even channel "love and light". The battle is fought with those rulers in high and low places- I think it was jesus who said something in the like. Many new agers do not understand that - how many times have I heard the words "If it feels good it must be good". They are talking about their personalities being fed with astral energy/light and new age glamours.
That which is channelled from a divine source does not usually bathe the personality. If anything it has the effect of sobreing one up.