Rik Clay - We Will Never Forget You!

[ericdubay]

Rik Clay did not kill himself, and that is not his mother replying to your emails. Mine and Kallista's posts about Rik's MURDER are now being deleted from Icke forums! Let's see how long before they delete this thread. Use your brains people, there is no way in the world that Rik Clay committed suicide. Geez, I thought this was where "awakened" people came... what's with everyone buying this bogus official suicide story? His 2012 London Olympics fake alien invasion research got him silenced, his blog taken down, and now killed. Let's stop bickering about this, it's beneath us. Spend your time making youtube videos and spreading the world about what the NWO is planning for us during the 2012 olympics! Less talk, more action. Peace

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[lottie]

As i explained to you via pm, your posts were not deleted in some moderator conspiracy...i apologised for not contacting you sooner but i left the computer for a moment, Limelady has posted in the Rik Clay thread asking that thread to be left to just condolences, that is why your posts were deleted.

[ericdubay]

So because LimeLady says she wants the thread to be just condolences you go and delete my very good/informative post on the 6th page? Why does LL have such authority? Why did you feel the need to delete my post just because she wants the thread ONLY for condolence?

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[hunger]

So because LimeLady says she wants the thread to be just condolences you go and delete my very good/informative post on the 6th page? Why does LL have such authority? Why did you feel the need to delete my post just because she wants the thread ONLY for condolence?

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

Out of respect for Rik maybe?
well now you know you can use this thread to explain your theory or present your facts.
so hop to it man :)

[ericdubay]

Great. I already wrote it. It was on the 6th page of the Rik Clay sticky. Could the moderator that so kindly deleted that post, post it here for me? What's that? You can't because you deleted it?

I already made the post. I'm tired of typing the same damn thing over and over again. They deleted me off that other thread thrice now.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[duckingdafta]

ok, say I go along with this ... what are you expecting?

[lottie]

Limelady is the Forum Manager and it wasnt solely her decision it was discussed with all moderators first as to the best way to deal with this sensitive issue.....although some are questioning a conspiracy surrounding Riks death ....we also have to respect that some of the people reading that thread are friends and family and know what really happened and this is an extremely sensitive time for them!

[lottie]

Great. I already wrote it. It was on the 6th page of the Rik Clay sticky. Could the moderator that so kindly deleted that post, post it here for me? What's that? You can't because you deleted it?

I already made the post. I'm tired of typing the same damn thing over and over again. They deleted me off that other thread thrice now.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

I shall move your post to here...and please stop prodding for a reaction...we're all doing our best here to keep things balanced for everyone.

[ericdubay]

Out of respect for Rik maybe?

so hop to it man :)

Yeah, it's out of respect for Rik that I said those things. You sound like the people that don't understand 9/11 truth to be patriotic. Telling me I'm disrespecting Rik by speaking to the active cover-up of his murder

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[lottie]

Rik was Killed

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This is the most saddening and maddening thing. Don't any of you even believe for an instant that Rik Clay killed himself. That is absolutely absurd. Rik Clay was MURDERED. Listen to him on Red Ice, then consider the fact that a few days later, he deleted his own blog, stopped posting on all forums, cut all contact with his friends, then shortly after committed suicide.... that's ridiculous. There is no way that is what happened.

Remember in March when the DC Madam went on Alex Jones' show saying she was being followed and she said 3 times "I will never kill myself." Then under a month later the paper reported that she hung herself... and the suicide note was confirmed NOT to be her hand-writing.

I have posted this in other forums, but allow me to put it here too. I, Eric Dubay, author of The Atlantean Conspiracy will NEVER commit suicide, and you better believe if I'm found dead at this age (I'm the same age as Rik) that I was killed. I have already had my life threatened by Masons on multiple occasions. We need to spread his information folks... write new articles including his info, make YouTube videos out of it, post it on all forums you visit, send it to your email lists. Let us not allow Rik Clay to die. Breath his spirit into yourself and continue his legacy and research! We love you Rik... you did not pass in vain.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com
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[orbandsceptre27]

What happened his blog, it ain`t coming up?

[orbandsceptre27]

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It was deleted - When did he die? I must listen to his Red Ice Interview, looks to be about 2 hours long!

[ericdubay]

Thanks for reposting that. I'm not so upset at you guys now. :) Sorry for the over-reaction to what appeared not right to me. Peace

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[ericdubay]

Garose pulled Cosmic Returns down for who knows what reason. But you can still find Rik's interview/research at: www.justinstephens.info

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[lottie]

Thanks for reposting that. I'm not so upset at you guys now. :) Sorry for the over-reaction to what appeared not right to me. Peace

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

T'is cool! :)

[tinmenace]

I found THIS (http://dedroidify.blogspot.com/2008/09/rip-rik-clay-1982-2008.html) blogpost which gives a link to his backed up blog, including a password for those interested in getting a copy. Must be someone that reads this forum because he mentions it.

Anyway...thought I'd share.

[frankanne]

Rik Clay did not kill himself, and that is not his mother replying to your emails. Mine and Kallista's posts about Rik's MURDER are now being deleted from Icke forums! Let's see how long before they delete this thread. Use your brains people, there is no way in the world that Rik Clay committed suicide. Geez, I thought this was where "awakened" people came... what's with everyone buying this bogus official suicide story? His 2012 London Olympics fake alien invasion research got him silenced, his blog taken down, and now killed. Let's stop bickering about this, it's beneath us. Spend your time making youtube videos and spreading the world about what the NWO is planning for us during the 2012 olympics! Less talk, more action. Peace

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

Thank you Eric. At last someone with the guts to speak out. I tried (timidly) and got sort of 'told off'. Rik's friend Squalorada seemed so bitter towards us. I actually said in a post that I felt we were being gagged and silenced in the name of 'respect' for Rik's family. But what about Rik? He deserves better than this.

None of us knows what happened, but at least we should be able to say what is in our hearts and minds. If it upsets people, then that is sad, but it's also something that is important, to bring everything out in the open. Surely that is better than having a complete 'black-out' a complete silence, and we are all left to wonder and think and yet afraid to speak our thoughts.

I joined the David Icke Forum because I thought this was a place where we could discuss things. Yes, we may say things that are rubbish, or untrue, or totally off the wall, but that's better than not being able to say them.

All I can say is THANK YOU ERIC.

Can we sometimes be TOO honest, to the point of bluntness? Yes. But I'd rather that than sugar coated half truths, where secrets can fester.

OK, so, what information do we have?

1. Rik was full of enthusiasm on the day of his Red Ice interview. Speaking about looking forward to researching and sniffing out even more stuff. He wasn't ill, or nervous, or on edge, or any of those things that are associated with someone feeling the strain. He was calm, balanced, reasoned and totally clear and happy.

2. Within a FEW HOURS, overnight in fact, he has taken down his blog and said he isn't well and needs to back out of all the research and truth seeking.

Something happened within those few hours. Maybe we will never know, but surely we can put over our thoughts about what COULD have happened.

Somebody posted a link to an Ian Crane radio interview, where Ian Crane speaks about Rik and how Rik had gone to one of Ian's talks July last year. The talk by Ian Crane was all about a 'false flag alien invasion during the 2012 Olympics'. During the radio interview Ian said that Rik had more or less regurgitated Ian's own work. Now could that have had something to do with Rik backing out? I mean, I don't know how much of Rik's work was taken from Ian Crane, but could Rik have been accused of stealing someone else's work? I don't like to think that this could be, because we are all truth-seekers here, and ego should not come into it. It is all about spreading truth and insights whenever and whereever we can. If this is the case, then I hope that Ian Crane brings this out into the open. This can so easily be rectified, with Rik giving credit to Ian Crane for much of the information. I believe that Rik went into even more detail, which is what this is all about, isn't it? Every researcher says that they stand on the shoulders of those who have gone before them.

I think that Ian Crane said, in that radio interview, that he doesn't believe that Rik was silenced by the powers that be, because he himself had said the same things, yet he hadn't been warned off.

Now this sets up a whole new 'wondering'. Because Rik was definitely 'shut up' by someone or something.

So who was it?

I do believe that if we throw ideas around, do a bit of 'brain storming' as they say, then we can maybe clear the smoke and see things a bit clearer. That is my hope.

And if it were my son, I would be grateful and honoured that there were people wanting to find out the truth of his death.

[kallista]

My post was also deleted without explantion.

[frankanne]

From Eriddubay:

I have already had my life threatened by Masons on multiple occasions.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

Eric, I listened to another radio interview with Jordan Maxwell, and he has been investigating and truth seeking and truth telling for decades, since the late 1950's in fact. He said recently that he was scared. He had been warned off, he had been threatened, he had lost his marriage, everything in the name of truth telling. He said he was scared.

Now we have Ian Crane, saying that these thing don't happen.

I'm glad that we can speak about this, because there are questions that need to be answered. How come Ian Crane hasn't been warned off?

[tinmenace]

My post was also deleted without explantion.



Really? WTF? :confused:

[frankanne]

There's another friend of Rik's with one post to his name telling us to 'shut up'.

On the other thread, where we can only give condolences.

[tinmenace]

There's another friend of Rik's with one post to his name telling us to 'shut up'.

On the other thread, where we can only give condolences.

You mean "friend."

[hunger]

Yeah, it's out of respect for Rik that I said those things. You sound like the people that don't understand 9/11 truth to be patriotic. Telling me I'm disrespecting Rik by speaking to the active cover-up of his murder

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

Well we certainly have our wires crossed don't we :rolleyes:

[duckingdafta]

Somebody posted a link to an Ian Crane radio interview, where Ian Crane speaks about Rik and how Rik had gone to one of Ian's talks July last year. The talk by Ian Crane was all about a 'false flag alien invasion during the 2012 Olympics'. During the radio interview Ian said that Rik had more or less regurgitated Ian's own work. Now could that have had something to do with Rik backing out? I mean, I don't know how much of Rik's work was taken from Ian Crane, but could Rik have been accused of stealing someone else's work?.

Rik paid full credits to all his sources..
Credits
I would like to pay my personal respects to Ian Crane, for introducing me to the notion that the Olympic games are to see host to a 'false flag' alien invasion, based on his research into the history of a 'secret cabal' pursuing the establishment of 'Zion' during the 2012 Olympics. The research Ian Crane presented provided me with a foundation from which to jumpstart my own research. If he's ever in your area, please do take the time to attend one of his talks.
http://www.foolmeonce.co.uk
http://www.ianrcrane.co.uk

from HERE (http://dafta.ueuo.com/The_Cosmic_Mind_-_Spreading_Conscious_Knowledge-1/index.html) (none of the links work on these pages.. it's purely a back up)

[runciter]

Thank you Eric. At last someone with the guts to speak out. I tried (timidly) and got sort of 'told off'. Rik's friend Squalorada seemed so bitter towards us. I actually said in a post that I felt we were being gagged and silenced in the name of 'respect' for Rik's family. But what about Rik? He deserves better than this.



There's another friend of Rik's with one post to his name telling us to 'shut up'.

On the other thread, where we can only give condolences.


i'd like to read some explanation on this:

"His ashes will be scattered over the moors at Ilkley near the Cow and Calf Rocks at about 4pm on September 11."

gave me shivers.

[largejack]

Great. I already wrote it. It was on the 6th page of the Rik Clay sticky. Could the moderator that so kindly deleted that post, post it here for me? What's that? You can't because you deleted it?

I already made the post. I'm tired of typing the same damn thing over and over again. They deleted me off that other thread thrice now.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com


Copy, paste and save to word then you have it anytime you want :)

[frankanne]

Rik paid full credits to all his sources..


from HERE (http://dafta.ueuo.com/The_Cosmic_Mind_-_Spreading_Conscious_Knowledge-1/index.html) (none of the links work on these pages.. it's purely a back up)


Thanks Ducking. I got the feeling that Rik had given credit where credit is due.

[frankanne]

i'd ask these friends some explanation on this:

"His ashes will be scattered over the moors at Ilkley near the Cow and Calf Rocks at about 4pm on September 11."

gave me shivers.

Me too. None of this rings true. From the friends telling us to shut up, to the family that want it all quiet in darkness. Believe me, when a tragedy happens, the ONLY thing that keeps you going, is wanting THE TRUTH.

It's the only thing that's kept me going. I want the truth. And I think the people who loved Rik would want the truth too.

So why all the 'shut up' posts? Why pick 9/11 for the day of his ashes to be sprinkled. Why 9/11? Why, when they KNEW Rik was into this stuff? They knew that Rik would KNOW that 9/11 was an important ILLUMINATI DATE. WHY pick THAT date?

It's like rubbing salt into the wounds.

[ericdubay]

And if we believe the "official" Rik story... What happened the day after his Red Ice interview that made him want to pull down his blog, stop posting on forums, cut contact with friends, and KILL HIMSELF!?? Because I heard him on Red Ice, and NONE of those were in his plans for tomorrow.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[devanshoom]

halfway through rik clays redice interview.......doesnt sound like a guy that is planning to kill himself.

[frankanne]

Copy, paste and save to word then you have it anytime you want :)

Wise words largejack, after the event.

When you write something from the heart and send it, from the heart, you don't always think beyond that. Of course, now, when we know our posts could be deleted and sensored, we will be more vigilant, more practical, more LEFT BRAIN. What happened to spontenaity? What happened to just living life to the full?

When were we deadened so much that we have to THINK about everything, in case someone somewhere wants to delete it?

[ericdubay]

Hehe, I didn't reply to LargeJack because the answer was off-topic, but had I replied it would've been like what Frankanne said so elequently. Thanks

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[runciter]

So why all the 'shut up' posts? Why pick 9/11 for the day of his ashes to be sprinkled. Why 9/11? Why, when they KNEW Rik was into this stuff? They knew that Rik would KNOW that 9/11 was an important ILLUMINATI DATE. WHY pick THAT date?


right, and another big question is: who chose that date?

[runciter]

they killed the clay man, we're all clay in their hands, this is their message.

the 9-11 "ritual" is a sort of signature, they want us to know.

this is what i think, sorry if someone is offended.

[ericdubay]

Here in Thailand "Don't Mess with the Zohan" opens on 9/11. Is that the same worldwide? If you know about the whole OZ/77 symbology, (Z is 77, like flight 77 on 9/11) ZOhan resonates this. So they're saying "Don't Mess with OZ" opening 9/11. For more on that stuff check out Jake Kotze's blogs at:

www.thebravenewworldorder.com

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[qasrose]

My post was also deleted without explanation.

If you look back through this thread, an explanation has been put up. If you wish to speak about Rik Clay then please do so in the Member forum. Those threads in Today Section, are there ONLY to allow people to leave there condolences. And for you to view Rik's Research.

Discussion on Rik Clay
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28545

Thanks
Lee

[hirschfelder]

halfway through rik clays redice interview.......doesnt sound like a guy that is planning to kill himself.

That's because he didn't kill himself, that was just a rumour started on here wasn't it?

Or has the coroner's report into his death been released? Or perhaps his family have released a statement confirming that he killed himself? Or perhaps Rik killing himself was just a fact plucked out of some gossip's arse?

[zeptepi]

right, and another big question is: who chose that date?
Maybe the family chose it as an acknowlegement/tribute to Rik, knowing his thoughts on the events of 9/11, maybe they thought it'd be fitting and that he would've liked that & that it would raise awareness of his views with friends & family that hadn't questioned the events of that day in 2001. Maybe it was just how the dates fell after organising his send off, they then realised the irony of it, but stuck wit it.
I don't know, I'm just speculating here.

What Ian Crane said in that interview seemed to make sense to me, but obviously I really don't know what happened.
I can totally understand where Eric's coming from though after listening to his show and the threats he's had...
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2008/09/renaissance-radio-6.html

[zeptepi]

That's because he didn't kill himself, that was just a rumour started on here wasn't it?

Or has the coroner's report into his death been released? Or perhaps his family have released a statement confirming that he killed himself? Or perhaps Rik killing himself was just a fact plucked out of some gossip's arse?
There's a letter on the Red Ice Forum apparently from his mother, it's posted by richyrich...
link (http://www.rediceforum.com/openforum/index.php?PHPSESSID=cbccd8d905e678f574ac5abd55f14e f2&topic=341.27)

[runciter]

Eric, I listened to another radio interview with Jordan Maxwell, and he has been investigating and truth seeking and truth telling for decades, since the late 1950's in fact. He said recently that he was scared. He had been warned off, he had been threatened, he had lost his marriage, everything in the name of truth telling. He said he was scared.

Now we have Ian Crane, saying that these thing don't happen.

I'm glad that we can speak about this, because there are questions that need to be answered. How come Ian Crane hasn't been warned off?

maybe because he keeps quiet about some key issues.

[tinmenace]

Sorry to be so graphic, and with no disrespect to Rik or his loved-ones, but how was he supposed to have killed himself?

Also another thing that bothers me with all this is that his blog was taken down. When someone dies, usually we don't delete their work, or burn their books or tear up their art. Usually it is left as some kind of memorial to who they were and what their lives were about.

I find it very strange that his blog was taken down.

[zeptepi]

Sorry to be so graphic, and with no disrespect to Rik or his loved-ones, but how was he supposed to have killed himself?

Also another thing that bothers me with all this is that his blog was taken down. When someone dies, usually we don't delete their work, or burn their books or tear up their art. Usually it is left as some kind of memorial to who they were and what their lives were about.

I find it very strange that his blog was taken down.

The blog came down a couple of months before he passed I think.

[tinmenace]

The blog came down a couple of months before he passed I think.

I see. I was under the impression that it came down hours after his last interview on Red Ice which was just before his death. (Source (http://dedroidify.blogspot.com/2008/09/rip-rik-clay-1982-2008.html))

Clearly there are conflicting stories, or I'm just not understanding it right....

[hirschfelder]

There's a letter on the Red Ice Forum apparently from his mother, it's posted by richyrich...
link (http://www.rediceforum.com/openforum/index.php?PHPSESSID=cbccd8d905e678f574ac5abd55f14e f2&topic=341.27)

Cheers. Is there anything else other than a post on a forum? Isn't there a legal requirement for coroner's reports to be published in the local media in the event of an unnatural death?

Has anybody contacted the births, deaths and registrations that cover Ilkley to confirm this post from his mum?

[zeptepi]

I see. I was under the impression that it came down hours after his last interview on Red Ice which was just before his death.

Clearly there are conflicting stories, or I'm just not understanding it right....

The Red Ice show was at the beginning of June, the blog was removed within a week or so after that & his death was reported the beginning of this month, as far as I recall.

[runciter]

Maybe the family chose it as an acknowlegement/tribute to Rik, knowing his thoughts on the events of 9/11, maybe they thought it'd be fitting and that he would've liked that & that it would raise awareness of his views with friends & family that hadn't questioned the events of that day in 2001. Maybe it was just how the dates fell after organising his send off, they then realised the irony of it, but stuck wit it.
I don't know, I'm just speculating here.


i'd have done anything to avoid that illuminati date.

[beldazar]

I always had the impression that the numbers 9 and 11 were positive numbers but have been linked to fear. 911 police number, 999 another police number and 911 twin towers. Its to manipulate us to think of these numbers as negative in some way :confused:

[zeptepi]

i'd have done anything to avoid that illuminati date.
Maybe to the people who've bought the official version of events of that day it's no big deal, but for those who haven't... it is quite a coincidence.

[runciter]

the big question remains the same: who chose that date?

[zeptepi]

the location has also been questioned here...
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=490996&postcount=141

[planetsadhana]

Im trying to put myself in the position of the parents at this time, which is not easy,

but if my son had made a name for himself as researcher and had appeared on red ice radio and had a thread dedicated to people trying to continue his work on a forum like David ickes ,I would be making sure people new what happened

for many reasons

1- People felt and continue to feel much love to our brother spirit

2-so we can do what we do best , preserve the truth

3- to stop his death turning into a conspiracy

4- so his name and work continues

is it possible his parents feel a grudge towards people who are involved in this kind of work ?, uncovering uncomfortable truths does not allways make you popular ,

[zeptepi]

is it possible his parents feel a grudge towards people who are involved in this kind of work ?, uncovering uncomfortable truths does not allways make you popular ,
I think you've raised an interesting point there, also touched upon in Eric's show (http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2008/09/renaissance-radio-6.html), that maybe some of them will see the research he was into as a bad thing, even more so now after everything that's happened. [Not that we really know what happened.]

[kerravon]

Glad there is finally a thread that we can talk freely about Rik. I also had my posting's deleted from the other thread.

It got to the point where postings were being deleted, and people were afraid to post anything, due to fear of being called disrespectful. Is it not things like this we are fighting against??

I personally feel that Rik would NOT have killed himself. Yes, i know i've never met Rik and only known him for a short time, but I have something called Intuition that is telling me something is not right. Rik knew himself that he had a gift, or was given special abilities in seeing things. So not only would he be killing himself, but also killing off the help that we needed to fight this thing. Chances are that we would have exposed the truth much quicker with Rik still here.

A vital witness to all this is nugget (aka Justin Stephens), who also seems to have disappeared, but nobody seems to be questioning that. He claims to have had a long conversation with Rik on Aug-5th and has not been heard of since Aug-13th.

I don't see any reason why it's not possible that Rik was murdered, and his parents were threatened, and told to say he killed himself.

Also, who is Free-Canada?? Seems like his only mission in life was to live in the RikClay thread and provide insane amounts in info.

There are definatly questions that need to be answered, in the name of revealing the truth. I doubt that anyone on this forum would ever be deliberatly disrespectful of anyone who died, if that is the case.

But by deleting posts, the moderators themselves are taking the definition of the word "disrespectful" into their own hands in a forum based on free speech.

[planetsadhana]

you intution telling you something is not right ..is right,

there is something that just does not add up , I think suicide was first posted by free canada followed by a email from Riks mother to somebody on red ice conforming he took his own life.

so the only evidence he took his own life was from Ricks mother which was posted AFTER free canada passed on his/her message.

Its such a delicate subject that clarity is vital , usually a press release would indicate cause of death to avoid speculation , another thing i felt that the tributes on face book , to me would have been more suited to a death that was expected.

I really dont want to speculate but I have an idea in my head what may have happened which would explain a lot

[beldazar]

wheres nugget I would like to know. He hasnt even updated his blog yet :confused:

[planetsadhana]

and free canada

[beldazar]

OMG something weird going on here however you look at it!
Maybe it is something simple like their pc has gone down like mine did for a week but both of them?

[angeldust]

Hey all

As far as i can see, it looks like Free canada posted today but i can't seem to find it??
and as for Nugget it doesn't appear to be on here since the 1/9/08
it is all very strange and me, myself am very concerned about the safty of all concerned
I hope some one can shed some light on to the matter?

[kallista]

This has always seemed 'off' to me too. I just doesn't seem right. And as for his mother respecting his right to kill himself, hmm.

I don't think anyone has the right to harm another or themselves and surely Rik must have known this on an intuitive level, at least.

Then the masonic symbolism.

The name Clay.

The family business logo:

http://www.stuntedrecords.co.uk/default.asp

The date of the scattering.

[kerravon]

nugget posted on 01-09-2008, but seems to be stearing clear of the Rik Clay threads.

[free canada]

hello everyone

i am still here just been busy with lifes other commitments.

i have requested to the forum moderators to move the "cosmic mind blog down" thread back to the todays news forum.

the thread explains the whole rik clay story from the very begining of his withdrawl from the internet up to his passing.

i as well as many other still have my suspisions about riks death and i believe that we can come together to discuss and get to the root of the truth.

this is going to take time and also patience on all our parts.

ian r crane stated that he didn't think that rik had been murdered because he has stated the same evidense and theories and that he had not been eliminated.

here are some point to consider before we make a final decision

-rik may have stumbled on to something BIG and not yet released the information.

-the PTB may have wanted to silence rik because his age may resonated with the younger people more and the PTB didn't want the info to get out.

-Riks last post delt with the "prince william" antichrist issue and he stated that more was to come. which never did

not sure what else, but if you read the original thread you may be able to piece the puzzle together better yourselves.

personally i felt strongly from the beginning that riks work was more significant then people ever expected and i have done my best to keep the info fresh and alive for us all to make of it what we will.

i truely feel for riks parents and loved ones, but i do not feel that by us discussing his work and the circumstances of his passing that we are being disrepectful in any way. if anything i feel as though we are honoring his passing and doing him a great service by spreading the knowledge.

i hope you all take something away from this.

also maybe someone can contact this lady to see if she has any insight into this.

her name is Marisa Ryan and she is Psychic Medium and maybe she can help us in her own way.

http://www.marisaryan.com/

[planetsadhana]

thanks free canada, hopefully we can get to the truth

[angeldust]

although he was moving on to project blue beam and that very subject got other scared off???
just a thought
glad to see your ok Free canada

[kerravon]

Thanks Free_Canada, glad to hear you did not dissapear too.

It would certaintly be interesting to get a psychic's opinion.

People need to understand that the reason we are questioning Rik's death is because we care, not because we don't.

[beldazar]

phew! Glad your here free canada :)

[strt]

personally i felt strongly from the beginning that riks work was more significant then people ever expected

Same here.

[kerravon]

I often think that i'm drawn to certain researchers, not because what they say resonates with my own beleifs, but almost like i'm being steered in a direction.

There was just something about Rik that my intuition said "listen to this guy".

[young_geecee]

Cheers. Is there anything else other than a post on a forum? Isn't there a legal requirement for coroner's reports to be published in the local media in the event of an unnatural death?

Has anybody contacted the births, deaths and registrations that cover Ilkley to confirm this post from his mum?

he was from ilkley?? madness my family live there, small world

[bendoon]

I think the message here is if you stumble on something really big is keep it to yourself, you can't change the future and you will just disappear. That may sound a bit defeatist buy thats just what we are up against.

Not necessarily saying thats what happened in this case.

I think for def though they have something planned for the 2012 London Olympics, maybe he just got lucky and guessed exactly what they have in store. Probably the unveiling of the Anti Christ (what they want people to think is the 2nd coming of the real Messiah).

[kerravon]

Did anyone actually go to the funeral, and meet Rik's parents?

[lizard_monkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyqgjCKm9nQ

[lightworks]

Out of respect for Rik maybe?
well now you know you can use this thread to explain your theory or present your facts.
so hop to it man :)if you respected rik then youd know he was strangled....

[goldman]

It's good to see this new thread for various reasons. One of them is because I don't trust the whole darn thing. From second one I had a strange feeling about this, it doesn't add up. It's not that I am in denial, I am just rather agnostic about the issue and I just feel that things aren't what they seem to be.

So for my dialogue, I'd like to say what I think about the Rik clay issue.


Theories.


If he killed himself, which is likely, why didn't he leave something behind. he had a good trail of fans behind him, and he surely had the intelligence to predict possible rumours surrounding him after he departed right?



Rik Clay has about 6 million hits on internet, why on earth should their family follow the david icke's thread about Rik. Personally, I would go take a few days off and let it sink in, I DOUBT that close family members are on FORUMS just after the day he died to reply and express their anger against forum members. Sorry, I don't buy that, if they actually did that, they'll need to get a life, 4 real because that is how the world works, and how the net works. We can't deal with every bodies feelings right? I did apologize those those who might feel offended, but that is as far as I can go.



If they want to end conspiracy theories surrounding him, why didn't they post a piece of text explaining all of it. His FANS also deserve to KNOW what has happened. All I know now, is that he died. I know nothing more. Was their an inquiry into his death? if not, why not? I think he would have wanted it, being the cautious person he was. A family spokesman could do the job, and explain in detail what tragic occurred that very day.



Suicide is usually spontaneous, yes people think about it, but in the most cases, it happens on certain moments, a certain feeling that they can't control anymore. That's why a lot of people jump in front of the trains, not because they planned that, it was a spontaneous reaction. So, I do not know how he killed himself, but given the fact that the parents say that it didn't look like foul play (based on what?) we know nothing. Things is, a suicide MIGHT be done autonomous, but when one INFLUENCE people to commit a suicide, it's still foul play. We must consider the POWERS we reckon with, sacred geometry is a dangerous force. I've been in certain moments, where I felt that some powers are influencing me todo something against my will.



Given the notion of his last talk on redice, he was eager to continue his research. He was EXCITED, at the least overexcited to continue his journey.



If I was Rik, I would have liked people to question my departure, it means THAT THEY CARE ABOUT HIM. That's giving respect to the person who departed. I would be really flattered if my death was questioned, it would have mean that I was loved by so many people. Plus, it's healthy to question, when I read between Rik's words and writings, I noticed a different sign to all of us: question everything!



Furthermore, I talked about this in the other thread, but I would like to know why the 9/11 symbolism as a date and the choice of his final resting place. I hardly think he would choose such date when he was alive, it's either disrespectful or being ignorant about his research.


So to sum it all up for myself: Rik died not due some sniper sitting in a tree, but because he knew too much.

If one does not agree, let's dispute it so we can let it all rest. Until then I think WE OWE him to question, and to keep questioning until his death is justified. That is what RESPECT means to me.

[kallista]

I think the message here is if you stumble on something really big is keep it to yourself, you can't change the future and you will just disappear. That may sound a bit defeatist buy thats just what we are up against.

My thoughts exactly

[truthseeker1980]

One thing that has bothered me throughout all of this, from day one when his blog disappeared.

Has the David Icke the man himself looked into this? Does anyone know?

Ian Crane may be right about him not being threatened, it may not have been the olympics research that scared them. I think the X symbology may have made them want to silence him, as it all makes sense now why X factor is called X factor and why there are three X's infront of the judges, also why we use X for expressing the kiss or emotions.

Anyway my condolances are with his friends and family and I am sending you love Rik.

But please can Mr Icke do some researh into this, after all he was for the cause, researching, discovering some amazing things and was a member of his forum.

[nothingspecial]

I think the message here is if you stumble on something really big is keep it to yourself, you can't change the future and you will just disappear. That may sound a bit defeatist buy thats just what we are up against.

I disagree. He was obviously very passionate about his research, and the suspicious circumstances give us a better idea of what we are dealing with. Sure this is a tragedy, and I feel for his family. We will never know exactly what he discovered that led to his eventual demise. But just like he did, we can try to connect the dots and figure out the truth. Everything happens for a reason, and if Rik died as a result of his findings which in turn makes us more aware and prepared for what's going to happen in 2012, then he succeeded.

Rik was an incredible young man. He had a special ability to make people listen and think about what he was saying. The guy spoke the truth, pure and simple. Young free thinkers with the ability to articulate their idea's in a logical manner and convince non-believers are always a threat to the establishment. Sure he may have been regurgitating common theories in the "conspiracy" circuit, but what made him a threat was his excellent communication skills and the ability to identify with a very important demographic. I know this is a bold comparison, but I can't help but think of the Kennedy brothers. Young spirited individuals with something important to say. Obviously not the same ball league, but you get the idea.

Who knows what this young man could have accomplished if he lived a full life.. It is our duty to continue his work and get to the bottom of this.

I know this is a very sensitive time for family and friends, but I would really like to hear some of the details regarding his death, the date of the funeral, and why they picked that specific place to spread his ashes. These answers can come in time.

We need to do something positive and productive with all this. I know it's been said before, but we need to get organized and get our hands dirty if we want to do something about the sad state of affairs in the world today. I know I am a hypocrite for suggesting this, but perhaps Rik's death will provide me with the energy, motivation, and clarity needed to make a difference. The more we know, the better prepared we are for when the shit does hit the fan. Isn't that the reason we are here?

[runciter]

I think for def though they have something planned for the 2012 London Olympics, maybe he just got lucky and guessed exactly what they have in store. Probably the unveiling of the Anti Christ (what they want people to think is the 2nd coming of the real Messiah).


Rik Clay - The Cosmic Mind: The End Game Messiah of 2012
June 8, 2008

We continue our fascinating discussion with Rik Clay about his thesis on the 2012 Zion Olympics and how this connects with the trinity of the "new age" and how an "end game messiah" will be presented to us around 2012. Topics Discussed: Precession, Astrological Ages, Religion, Transition of the Ages, A Trinity Event, Osiris-Isis-Horus, New World Order of the Ages, Diana, Galadriel, Ritual Murder of Diana, Prince William as the new Sun King, Haiti Massacre, Port-au-Prince, Olympics Rings, Atlantis, Religion of the New World Order, the significance of 7, Chakra System, New Spirituality, Egyptian Roots of Star Religion, the End of the World and much more. To listen to the first segment with Rik go here.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/06jun/RICR-080608-SUB.html

[eternal_spirit]

So what did Rick tell us new, nothing that I can see all the topics info he covered has been done before by others.

So to say he was killed because of the info is unlikely. (but who knows maybe he knew something more)

[zeptepi]

Rik Clay - The Cosmic Mind: The End Game Messiah of 2012
June 8, 2008

We continue our fascinating discussion with Rik Clay about his thesis on the 2012 Zion Olympics and how this connects with the trinity of the "new age" and how an "end game messiah" will be presented to us around 2012. Topics Discussed: Precession, Astrological Ages, Religion, Transition of the Ages, A Trinity Event, Osiris-Isis-Horus, New World Order of the Ages, Diana, Galadriel, Ritual Murder of Diana, Prince William as the new Sun King, Haiti Massacre, Port-au-Prince, Olympics Rings, Atlantis, Religion of the New World Order, the significance of 7, Chakra System, New Spirituality, Egyptian Roots of Star Religion, the End of the World and much more. To listen to the first segment with Rik go here.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/06jun/RICR-080608-SUB.html
alternative download link...
http://www.mediafire.com/?dgjxcxgqty3

[tinmenace]

One thing that has bothered me throughout all of this, from day one when his blog disappeared.



Bothers me too.

[runciter]

So what did Rick tell us new, nothing that I can see all the topics info he covered has been done before by others.


prince willy as their "chosen one"?

[frankanne]

Hi Eric, I just listened to your Renaissance Radio show of last week. You spoke about some really interesting things.

It is so weird, because my eldest son has spoken to me for ages about this radio station Renaissance, where they talk about conspiracy stuff. I'd never listened to it, and had no idea that it was your show!!!! Good work Eric.

And I'm sorry to hear about your death threats. I'm glad you are speaking up about it and letting as many people as possible know.

Has anyone heard from Justin Stephens (Nugget)? I sent him a private message from this forum, but he hasn't replied.

Has anyone got any ideas what's happened to him, or whether there is anything that we can do to find out if he is OK?

[ericdubay]

Thanks, we're going live now in 5 minutes if anyone's interested in calling into this week's Renaissance Radio show it's: 718-506-1675

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[magnus]

I have been thinking the same thing....

[magnus]

It's good to see this new thread for various reasons. One of them is because I don't trust the whole darn thing. From second one I had a strange feeling about this, it doesn't add up. It's not that I am in denial, I am just rather agnostic about the issue and I just feel that things aren't what they seem to be.

So for my dialogue, I'd like to say what I think about the Rik clay issue.


Theories.


If he killed himself, which is likely, why didn't he leave something behind. he had a good trail of fans behind him, and he surely had the intelligence to predict possible rumours surrounding him after he departed right?



Rik Clay has about 6 million hits on internet, why on earth should their family follow the david icke's thread about Rik. Personally, I would go take a few days off and let it sink in, I DOUBT that close family members are on FORUMS just after the day he died to reply and express their anger against forum members. Sorry, I don't buy that, if they actually did that, they'll need to get a life, 4 real because that is how the world works, and how the net works. We can't deal with every bodies feelings right? I did apologize those those who might feel offended, but that is as far as I can go.



If they want to end conspiracy theories surrounding him, why didn't they post a piece of text explaining all of it. His FANS also deserve to KNOW what has happened. All I know now, is that he died. I know nothing more. Was their an inquiry into his death? if not, why not? I think he would have wanted it, being the cautious person he was. A family spokesman could do the job, and explain in detail what tragic occurred that very day.



Suicide is usually spontaneous, yes people think about it, but in the most cases, it happens on certain moments, a certain feeling that they can't control anymore. That's why a lot of people jump in front of the trains, not because they planned that, it was a spontaneous reaction. So, I do not know how he killed himself, but given the fact that the parents say that it didn't look like foul play (based on what?) we know nothing. Things is, a suicide MIGHT be done autonomous, but when one INFLUENCE people to commit a suicide, it's still foul play. We must consider the POWERS we reckon with, sacred geometry is a dangerous force. I've been in certain moments, where I felt that some powers are influencing me todo something against my will.



Given the notion of his last talk on redice, he was eager to continue his research. He was EXCITED, at the least overexcited to continue his journey.



If I was Rik, I would have liked people to question my departure, it means THAT THEY CARE ABOUT HIM. That's giving respect to the person who departed. I would be really flattered if my death was questioned, it would have mean that I was loved by so many people. Plus, it's healthy to question, when I read between Rik's words and writings, I noticed a different sign to all of us: question everything!



Furthermore, I talked about this in the other thread, but I would like to know why the 9/11 symbolism as a date and the choice of his final resting place. I hardly think he would choose such date when he was alive, it's either disrespectful or being ignorant about his research.


So to sum it all up for myself: Rik died not due some sniper sitting in a tree, but because he knew too much.

If one does not agree, let's dispute it so we can let it all rest. Until then I think WE OWE him to question, and to keep questioning until his death is justified. That is what RESPECT means to me.

I have been thinking the same thing:confused:

[frankanne]

I've started a thread in the Todays News asking if anyone has heard from Nugget (Justin Stephens).

He hasn't been on the forum for quite a while now.

He said he had had a long conversation with Rik back in early August.

Anyone got any ideas?

[synergy777]

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=4789

Rik Clay’s interviews on Red Ice Creations – All Four Segments
2008 09 12

By Henrik Palmgren | redicecreations.com

Here we make available all the four segments of radio interviews that Red Ice Creations did with Rik Clay back in June 2008.

Rik Clay took his own life on August the 28th. His remains was scattered Thursday, September the 11th and now when things have settled down a little bit, it’s a good time to make these interviews available for everyone who haven’t yet been able to hear them.


Rik Clay - The Cosmic Mind: Zion 2012 Olympics
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/06jun/RICR-080608.php

Researcher Rik Clay who is behind the blog "The Cosmic Mind" joins us to discuss his findings about the Zion Olympics in London leading up to the end game year 2012. Rik presents his thesis in this very interesting two segment program. We begin to discuss how RIk got into the subject matter and then go into the connection with numerology and synchronicity. Topics Discussed: 11:11, pyramid numerology, Solar Eclipse, September Eleventh, The Birth of Christ, Zion, Summer Olympics 1972 Münich, 1984 Los Angeles, Eye Symbolism, Corporate Symbolism, Joining of Islam and Christianity, Angel Gabriel, William Blake, Wally Olins and much more. Join us in the members section as we continue our discussion with Rik about the 2012 Olympics and how this event in a ritualistic way is connect with zion and the "end game messiah".

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Rik Clay - The Cosmic Mind: The End Game Messiah of 2012
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/06jun/RICR-080608-SUB.php

We continue our fascinating discussion with Rik Clay about his thesis on the 2012 Zion Olympics and how this connects with the trinity of the "new age" and how an "end game messiah" will be presented to us around 2012. Topics Discussed: Precession, Astrological Ages, Religion, Transition of the Ages, A Trinity Event, Osiris-Isis-Horus, New World Order of the Ages, Diana, Galadriel, Ritual Murder of Diana, Prince William as the new Sun King, Haiti Massacre, Port-au-Prince, Olympics Rings, Atlantis, Religion of the New World Order, the significance of 7, Chakra System, New Spirituality, Egyptian Roots of Star Religion, the End of the World and much more

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Rik Clay - The Cosmic Mind: Q & A
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/06jun/RICR-080612.php

We invite Rik Clay from "The Cosmic Mind" back to the program to follow up on the show did last Sunday. This time we have a questions and answers session. We begin to talk about the some feedback on the last program we did and about "rules" and restrictions you have to adjust to when you're making the kind of connections that Rik is making. We discuss the Greek origins of the Olympic games, the opening ceremonies and the symbolism involved in the games. Topics Discussed: Tibet, Dalai Lama, The Orange, Rose and Saffron Revolution, Rituals, Ley lines, Energy, TV coverage, Age of Aquarious, Water, Global Warming, "X Marks the spot", 666 and XXX, Nazi Olympics 1936, Alien Contact, Movies, Diana, Project Bluebeam and much more. Join us in our second segment as we'll discuss more about project Bluebeam, the fake alien invasion, technological advancement, mind control and the different levels of reality. Don't miss our excellent continuation of this program with Rik Clay

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Rik Clay - The Cosmic Mind: Q & A Continued
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/06jun/RICR-080612-SUB.php

We continue our interesting questions and answers session with Rik Clay and talk more about project Blue beam, the fake alien invasion, how technological advancement varies in different fields, mind control technology, cell phone and tetra masts and the different levels of reality. Topics Discussed: 11, The Oscars, I am Legend, Ben Hur, Charlton Heston, Omega Man, Blood, Bloodline, The Knights Templar, Composite Characters, Lily Wave, Prince William, The "merger" of empires though marriage, Alien Technology, Flying Saucers, Airline Technology, Loose Change, 9/11, Different levels of Reality, Consciousness, The News, Georgia Guide stones, Depopulation and much more

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A lot can be learned both from Rik’s research but also from his journey and this tragedy. We encourage you to listen to the two-hour program that Henrik Palmgren & Ian Crane did about Rik Clay’s death and the surrounding circumstances. This program was recorded the same day as Rik’s ashes was scattered. You can tune in to this program here:


Ian Crane - Rik Clay, Integration, Conspiracy & Spirituality
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/09sep/RICR-080911.php

Ian Crane - Rik Clay, Integration, Conspiracy & Spirituality
September 11, 2008

We have Ian Crane back on the program for a two-hour special to discuss the passing of Rik Clay, Integration, Information, Awakening, Spirituality, Conspiracy and much more. We begin to discuss Rik Clay, we talk about what we so far know happened to him and how he passed away. We talk about the rumors of Rik being murdered, we talk about paranoia and premature conclusions in the "conspiracy movement". We move on to discuss the importance of a careful approach to esoteric, occult and conspiratorial subject matters and the important of integration of knowledge about the conspiracy as well as the spiritual side to all of this. Topics discussed: Transpersonal State, Awakening Process, Change, Research, Internet, Communication, Soul Returning, Healthy Balance, Messiah Complex, Midlife Opportunity, Drugs, Shamanic Journey, Alcohol, Spiritual Entities, Temporary possession, Geopolitics, The Journey vs. Speed, Gurdjieff, Terrence McKenna, Time wave Zero, Jose Arguelles, 2012, Jeff Stray, Destruction of Knowledge, Christianity, Renaissance and much more

[goldman]

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/09sep/RICR-080911.php


Nice, redice call us "hovering vultures" picking the bones and "paranoid" conspiracy nuts, and that what we say or think has not happenend

How's that for respect and a foregone conclusion!

It shows how messed up their minds really are, because on the flipside of the coin all this NWO symbolism Rik talked about is 100% true to them, questioning Rik's circumstance makes you a vulture and conspiracy nut. Thanks for the DISRESPECT redice, at least I and some others here GAVE some.

Ever gave the thought that someone can be influenced to take his own life? losing your mind over this messed up world? or being influenced by their sacred geometry? Still, do you remember that he meditated in a pyramid at one time in his life?

[Ian2day]

I would be interested to see if there is any info about or google search logs available for his unpublished research covering an expose of the music industry.

[beldazar]

Yes, if you go down this line and see the stories of certain people being 'silenced' then you can see how easy it is to think he was killed off!
There have been many people done away with and its been made to think it was 'suicide' or a 'car accident' when it hasnt been. Its just that the 'average' person believes the first story.
It could well have been suicide as when you look into the amount of deception we have been under for thousands of years it can cause you to plunge right down. But at the same time nobody can deny that one minute Rik is in top form and going full-tilt with this and in the next instant, gone! Nobody should be criticising anyone for thinking the situation was suspicious!

[goldman]

I always look at it in this way:

Take princess Diana.

When you don't believe in a NWO and all that, you still can say that she was murdered by either the driver or the paparazzi chasing her. Maybe the driver was fed drunk by someone? Maybe the combination of paparazzi and the drunk driver was exactly the plan that they had for her? maybe it was a conspiracy? in fact, that doesn't rule out the end-result: death.

In the end, the "accident" was in fact a kind of murder.

So, when you deal with the things we all deal with, and maybe a step further than most, one can end up in some sort of plane with a different energy. That energy might be destructive, it might be intentionally destructive, and it might be not. Maybe it's on purposely designed to be destructive. Stuff like Voodoo, pyramid curse, sacred geometry, Satanism, and maybe some powers we don't fully understand. That still can influence someone to take his/hers own life.

Is such a suicide based on a rational decision? No way, there has to be a catalyst in any destructive fire. And so the catalyst can be put there in a multitude of ways. And that's simply common sense, and not armchair paranoid theorizing.

Interestingly, redicecreations did cover mind control a couple of times, so I find it highly disturbing that some of us who question Rik's circumstances are being made ridiculous.

[phonicboom]

You begin life and find things, eventually you find your purpose; once done, you move on.

Rik Clay = Job Done. Whatever he was here for, he's done it. He was perhaps here to spread the word widely; whatever his role was, it's done.

No one is their body. No one died here. The one can not die :)

[sixfour]

Hi again. It's rather hard to post amongst you regular contributors on this subject, as obviously i'm immediately tagged as some kind of front for the "cover up".

Don't take this to heart, but if you take a step back and look at all the speculation a lot of people here are doing regarding Rik and his death - you should be able to see why people who aren't involved in this community (the general conspiracy theory community as a whole) could believe that we are all just a bunch of crack-pots nutjobs.

I say "we" because i do have a healthy interest in this subject, ever since i was a kid reading factual ghost research books, scaring the crap out of myself in first school.

Yes, it's the way forward to be questioning everything and trying to come up with plausable explanations for everything going on around us, but I think reading into some things *too* much, evidently can lead you completely down the wrong path.

I knew Rik fairly well. We worked together and i very much enjoyed chatting to him regularly about his theories and ideas over lunch, or when making a brew in the kitchen! I had no idea he was so heavily involved in the community, and feel saddened that i didn't get more involved in all this with him when he was still here, as i believe it would have given us an even greater bond.

There is too much speculation here for me to pick apart everything that has been said regarding this "conspiracy", but i'll mention a couple of things in the hope that it just *might* help understanding. On the other hand, I realise it's far more likely to just stir you some of you up even more and perhaps even add fuel to your fires.

Stop and think sometimes people. Occam's razor springs to mind, and certainly in this case, it holds true.

The spreading of Rik's ashes on that date wasn't an accident. His mother and father thought that it would, in a way, be a fitting tribute to Rik. I know you will have other opinions, but I was there that day and his mum told us the reason they chose 9/11 was to try and spread a positive message about that date, due to all the negativity surrounding it. It was for all his family and friends to remember Rik and to pass on his joy and love to everyone, to help keep his spirit alive, and slowly spread this love through the "collective consciousness" that Rik believed in. The location was chosen because it was Rik's favourite place to go. It is truly a beautiful spot. Rik was an amazing person, a truly kind hearted soul and a great friend to many people.

If you'd like to jump to conclusions about who I am, or my purpose appearing on these boards out of the blue, other than to simply try to quell the madness - i would be quite willing to meet anyone face to face to show you that i am a real person, maybe we can go for a coffee sometime if you are ever in Leeds.

[dooby]

Hi again. It's rather hard to post amongst you regular contributors on this subject, as obviously i'm immediately tagged as some kind of front for the "cover up".

Don't take this to heart, but if you take a step back and look at all the speculation a lot of people here are doing regarding Rik and his death - you should be able to see why people who aren't involved in this community (the general conspiracy theory community as a whole) could believe that we are all just a bunch of crack-pots nutjobs.

I say "we" because i do have a healthy interest in this subject, ever since i was a kid reading factual ghost research books, scaring the crap out of myself in first school.

Yes, it's the way forward to be questioning everything and trying to come up with plausable explanations for everything going on around us, but I think reading into some things *too* much, evidently can lead you completely down the wrong path.

I knew Rik fairly well. We worked together and i very much enjoyed chatting to him regularly about his theories and ideas over lunch, or when making a brew in the kitchen! I had no idea he was so heavily involved in the community, and feel saddened that i didn't get more involved in all this with him when he was still here, as i believe it would have given us an even greater bond.

There is too much speculation here for me to pick apart everything that has been said regarding this "conspiracy", but i'll mention a couple of things in the hope that it just *might* help understanding. On the other hand, I realise it's far more likely to just stir you some of you up even more and perhaps even add fuel to your fires.

Stop and think sometimes people. Occam's razor springs to mind, and certainly in this case, it holds true.

The spreading of Rik's ashes on that date wasn't an accident. His mother and father thought that it would, in a way, be a fitting tribute to Rik. I know you will have other opinions, but I was there that day and his mum told us the reason they chose 9/11 was to try and spread a positive message about that date, due to all the negativity surrounding it. It was for all his family and friends to remember Rik and to pass on his joy and love to everyone, to help keep his spirit alive, and slowly spread this love through the "collective consciousness" that Rik believed in. The location was chosen because it was Rik's favourite place to go. It is truly a beautiful spot. Rik was an amazing person, a truly kind hearted soul and a great friend to many people.

If you'd like to jump to conclusions about who I am, or my purpose appearing on these boards out of the blue, other than to simply try to quell the madness - i would be quite willing to meet anyone face to face to show you that i am a real person, maybe we can go for a coffee sometime if you are ever in Leeds.

It's very good of you to share your experiences of Rik with us. We must listen to everybody before jumping to conclusions.

Thanks :)

[frankanne]

Hi again. It's rather hard to post amongst you regular contributors on this subject, as obviously i'm immediately tagged as some kind of front for the "cover up".

Don't take this to heart, but if you take a step back and look at all the speculation a lot of people here are doing regarding Rik and his death - you should be able to see why people who aren't involved in this community (the general conspiracy theory community as a whole) could believe that we are all just a bunch of crack-pots nutjobs.

I say "we" because i do have a healthy interest in this subject, ever since i was a kid reading factual ghost research books, scaring the crap out of myself in first school.

Yes, it's the way forward to be questioning everything and trying to come up with plausable explanations for everything going on around us, but I think reading into some things *too* much, evidently can lead you completely down the wrong path.

I knew Rik fairly well. We worked together and i very much enjoyed chatting to him regularly about his theories and ideas over lunch, or when making a brew in the kitchen! I had no idea he was so heavily involved in the community, and feel saddened that i didn't get more involved in all this with him when he was still here, as i believe it would have given us an even greater bond.

There is too much speculation here for me to pick apart everything that has been said regarding this "conspiracy", but i'll mention a couple of things in the hope that it just *might* help understanding. On the other hand, I realise it's far more likely to just stir you some of you up even more and perhaps even add fuel to your fires.

Stop and think sometimes people. Occam's razor springs to mind, and certainly in this case, it holds true.

The spreading of Rik's ashes on that date wasn't an accident. His mother and father thought that it would, in a way, be a fitting tribute to Rik. I know you will have other opinions, but I was there that day and his mum told us the reason they chose 9/11 was to try and spread a positive message about that date, due to all the negativity surrounding it. It was for all his family and friends to remember Rik and to pass on his joy and love to everyone, to help keep his spirit alive, and slowly spread this love through the "collective consciousness" that Rik believed in. The location was chosen because it was Rik's favourite place to go. It is truly a beautiful spot. Rik was an amazing person, a truly kind hearted soul and a great friend to many people.

If you'd like to jump to conclusions about who I am, or my purpose appearing on these boards out of the blue, other than to simply try to quell the madness - i would be quite willing to meet anyone face to face to show you that i am a real person, maybe we can go for a coffee sometime if you are ever in Leeds.

You make it very difficult to come together, when you speak about 'quelling the madness'. You tell us that 9/11 was chosen DELIBERATELY??????

What kind of joke is this?

It is rubbing salt in the wounds, Riks wounds.

Why?

[dooby]

You make it very difficult to come together, when you speak about 'quelling the madness'. You tell us that 9/11 was chosen DELIBERATELY??????

What kind of joke is this?

It is rubbing salt in the wounds, Riks wounds.

Why?

It is possible he/she is telling the truth, frankanne. I don't know this person, but I can understand the logic behind Rik's family picking 9/11 as a date:

1. It's a very important date to Rik (even if not for positive reasons);
2. It currently has very negative connotations. Maybe his family wanted to neutralise the negativity.

The fact he/she is willing to meet up with someone for a coffee helps.

I'm not taking sides - just trying to see it from two perspectives.

Oh, and for the record, I find his untimely and rather sudden death very strange too.

[frankanne]

It is possible he/she is telling the truth, frankanne. I don't know this person, but I can understand the logic behind Rik's family picking 9/11 as a date:

1. It's a very important date to Rik (even if not for positive reasons);
2. It currently has very negative connotations. Maybe his family wanted to neutralise the negativity.

The fact he/she is willing to meet up with someone for a coffee helps.

I'm not taking sides - just trying to see it from two perspectives.

Oh, and for the record, I find his untimely and rather sudden death very strange too.

I find Rik's death strange too dooby.

And I don't think that choosing 9/11 is showing respect for Rik. If trying to put a positive energy to the date means using Rik's ashes, I find it nasty. Not something that Rik would have liked. It's like they believe in 'sacrifice' or something. I don't believe in 'sacrifice'. I think the whole sacrificial thing is something that feeds the illuminati, who try to FEED on us. Not nice. I don't like it. And I don't like the thought that Rik has been sacrificed to feed the illuminati on 9/11.

We have had so many people on these threads telling us to 'shut up'. Telling us that we are 'vultures'. Telling us that we should look to ourselves and not a 'guru'.

Telling us that we are conspiracy nuts.

Telling us that we are spreading 'madness'.

Anything and everything to try to shame us into silence.

Not nice.

[dooby]

I find Rik's death strange too dooby.

And I don't think that choosing 9/11 is showing respect for Rik. If trying to put a positive energy to the date means using Rik's ashes, I find it nasty. Not something that Rik would have liked. It's like they believe in 'sacrifice' or something. I don't believe in 'sacrifice'. I think the whole sacrificial thing is something that feeds the illuminati, who try to FEED on us. Not nice. I don't like it. And I don't like the thought that Rik has been sacrificed to feed the illuminati on 9/11.

We have had so many people on these threads telling us to 'shut up'. Telling us that we are 'vultures'. Telling us that we should look to ourselves and not a 'guru'.

Telling us that we are conspiracy nuts.

Telling us that we are spreading 'madness'.

Anything and everything to try to shame us into silence.

Not nice.

Yes, I've experienced the "madness", "conspiracy nut" treatment in real life, rather than on the forums, and it isn't nice.

I have read about the "vultures" incident - and I disagree with the person who said it. I cannot remember his name. Red Ice springs to mind, but not sure if that's got anything to do with it. :confused:

I cannot decide over the 9/11 thing. Let me think about it a bit. :confused:

[frankanne]

Yes, I've experienced the "madness", "conspiracy nut" treatment in real life, rather than on the forums, and it isn't nice.

I have read about the "vultures" incident - and I disagree with the person who said it. I cannot remember his name. Red Ice springs to mind, but not sure if that's got anything to do with it. :confused:

I cannot decide over the 9/11 thing. Let me think about it a bit. :confused:

Dooby. You need to 'think about it a bit' 9/11???

I don't belive that you are the average person who thinks this way or that way about 9/11

I don't trust you.

[dooby]

Dooby. You need to 'think about it a bit' 9/11???

I don't belive that you are the average person who thinks this way or that way about 9/11

I don't trust you.

I don't want to argue with you, but I've decided to rest on the fence on this one, as there's insufficient information on which to base a conclusion.

I don't mind you not trusting me - I didn't expect you to, as I'm behind a computer screen, and you don't know me. I don't know you either.

Peace :)

[ericdubay]

Don't bother feeding the trolls Frankanne. They're getting it where they deserve by "sitting on the fence". If they don't have the ounce of intuition necessary to know that Rik was murdered, then arguing with them will do no good. Say Hi to "Rik's Mom" for me SixFour.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[sixfour]

I can now see exactly why friends and family haven't posted on here.
"Don't bother feeding the trolls...". Very good advice eric, and i shall take heed.

The coffee is still on offer for anyone, unless you think it's a way to lure you in so I can poison you with Anthrax or something. Whatever. I don't think i will post here anymore, i've fed the trolls enough.

Take care.

[ericdubay]

Sorry, Mr. 3 posts with the Masonic name. I'm not interested in having coffee with agents.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[dooby]

Why is sixfour immediately a "disinfo agent" for expressing a difference of opinion? Is that not as closed minded as you can get?

I'm not a "disinfo agent" either. I'm actually trying to understand Rik's death like the rest of you. I'm trying to remain neutral, rather than slip into the conspiracy hyperbole trap, or into the mainstream media bollocks trap, which is why I've remained on the fence. I'm comfortable on this fence, as I get to see people's agendas. :)

Ericdubay, are you an authoritative expert on Rik Clay's death? Have you met Rik? Have you met his family? How can you say with such certainty it's a murder?

By the way, Eric, I've just looked at your blog. Looks well cool, I'm going to have a read through it. That "masonic hand signs" ticker is very interesting. Did you compile these images yourself, or get them from elsewhere? That hand gesture isn't the most comfortable, so I don't believe these people do it by accident. Feel free to PM me, if you like.

Again, I think the death is very very strange, but how can we state something as fact if we're not sure?

Could I just mention I have personal experience of a suicide. I saw my friend a week before his death, and he seemed fine. We even had a laugh. He didn't leave a suicide note. I started to wonder whether foul play was involved, but the coroner's report said "suicide". Sometimes, you need to become comfortable with not knowing - I'm not advocating apathy here of course, simply, if you cannot get to the bottom of things, even through trying, chill. ;)

[ericdubay]

Back on your other screen name huh? ;)

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[dooby]

Back on your other screen name huh? ;)

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com (http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com)

I'm sorry, Eric. You're wrong on this one. I'm just a humble peasant! :)

[ericdubay]

Oh. Ok. Me too :)

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[magnus]

From Eriddubay:

I have already had my life threatened by Masons on multiple occasions.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

Eric, I listened to another radio interview with Jordan Maxwell, and he has been investigating and truth seeking and truth telling for decades, since the late 1950's in fact. He said recently that he was scared. He had been warned off, he had been threatened, he had lost his marriage, everything in the name of truth telling. He said he was scared.

Now we have Ian Crane, saying that these thing don't happen.

I'm glad that we can speak about this, because there are questions that need to be answered. How come Ian Crane hasn't been warned off?

Frankanne:)??? what kind of things has the Masons done to threatened you???? should i look over my shoulder for being on this forum???? :(

[goldman]

Hi again. It's rather hard to post amongst you regular contributors on this subject, as obviously i'm immediately tagged as some kind of front for the "cover up".


Not by me, I can't judge on that so I won't.


Don't take this to heart, but if you take a step back and look at all the speculation a lot of people here are doing regarding Rik and his death - you should be able to see why people who aren't involved in this community (the general conspiracy theory community as a whole) could believe that we are all just a bunch of crack-pots nutjobs.


I stepped back, and I think people who won't question are nut-jobs. They walk over your dead body in a snap, piss you out if you are in flames. Pure selfishness, those are the real vultures who come and read about his death, grab a pack of crisps and enjoy the show and care less whether he really had certain problems that might reach further then we think it does. maybe there is a lesson in it for all of us, to watch out what we deal with, because no matter what happened: it killed him.


I say "we" because i do have a healthy interest in this subject, ever since i was a kid reading factual ghost research books, scaring the crap out of myself in first school.

Yes, it's the way forward to be questioning everything and trying to come up with plausable explanations for everything going on around us, but I think reading into some things *too* much, evidently can lead you completely down the wrong path.


Maybe, but being utterly lethargic about it, is showing no real feeling. Who cares eh? just another good soul lost!


I knew Rik fairly well. We worked together and i very much enjoyed chatting to him regularly about his theories and ideas over lunch, or when making a brew in the kitchen! I had no idea he was so heavily involved in the community, and feel saddened that i didn't get more involved in all this with him when he was still here, as i believe it would have given us an even greater bond.

There is too much speculation here for me to pick apart everything that has been said regarding this "conspiracy", but i'll mention a couple of things in the hope that it just *might* help understanding. On the other hand, I realise it's far more likely to just stir you some of you up even more and perhaps even add fuel to your fires.

Stop and think sometimes people. Occam's razor springs to mind, and certainly in this case, it holds true.


I did think, and still do.


The spreading of Rik's ashes on that date wasn't an accident. His mother and father thought that it would, in a way, be a fitting tribute to Rik. I know you will have other opinions, but I was there that day and his mum told us the reason they chose 9/11 was to try and spread a positive message about that date, due to all the negativity surrounding it. It was for all his family and friends to remember Rik and to pass on his joy and love to everyone, to help keep his spirit alive, and slowly spread this love through the "collective consciousness" that Rik believed in. The location was chosen because it was Rik's favourite place to go. It is truly a beautiful spot. Rik was an amazing person, a truly kind hearted soul and a great friend to many people.

If you'd like to jump to conclusions about who I am, or my purpose appearing on these boards out of the blue, other than to simply try to quell the madness - i would be quite willing to meet anyone face to face to show you that i am a real person, maybe we can go for a coffee sometime if you are ever in Leeds.

Ah, so they have their own little 9/11. So they did it for themselves instead of Rik. Good job.

it's DISRESPECTFUL. I would turn 50 times around in my grave when they did that to me. Hence another reason why to create a testament. Obviously it seems that we knew Rik better than his close 'friends' and family. Maybe THAT contributed to his death, witnessing all those friggin' sharky nutjob sharks in his close environment, there has to be a catalyst in any great destructive fire, and usually it's close by! and by the way, I have never said he was taken-out, but being influenced is still murder.

Like I said, it's like a priest being buried on 6:66 on day 6/6/6 in a masonic casket with an inverted pentagram on it.

GET IT?

You stop and think about that one, instead playing the thought police here and moralize us.

Because I had and still have the most respect for Rik, so much that it makes me mad to witness this lethargic attitude by some. Oh who cares, let's go on with what we are doing: destroying the planet and feeding the NWO, licking the shoes of your master and point fingers to those who have questions that aren't satisfied.

[phonicboom]

above post

wise words.

[kweli]

I can now see exactly why friends and family haven't posted on here.
"Don't bother feeding the trolls...". Very good advice eric, and i shall take heed.

The coffee is still on offer for anyone, unless you think it's a way to lure you in so I can poison you with Anthrax or something. Whatever. I don't think i will post here anymore, i've fed the trolls enough.

Take care.

Did you take the piss out of Rik in the same way you do to his fellow truth seekers? Man.. what a mate!

[spectruma]

Rik Clay, from the scant evidence I can see before me, was almost certainly murdered by Masonic UK intelligence.

The best we can do is keep going down his line of thinking in his analysis of the NWO. Especially regarding his Number 11 ideas, and his ideas on a fake 2012 Zion epiphany. Those are the ideas that got him killed and it is imperative that we persue them further. Obviously he was onto important facts and a truth which is dangerous to the continued existence of the Satanic New World Order project.

The manner in which Rik was unravelling it, it seems that numerology alone could provide the explanation for the NWO occurrence and possibly disarming it. Note his "September 11th" post, for example.


i'd like to read some explanation on this:

"His ashes will be scattered over the moors at Ilkley near the Cow and Calf Rocks at about 4pm on September 11."

gave me shivers.

Pure Illuminati symbolism. "Payback time" for the NWO Establishment, I would imagine.

but if my son had made a name for himself as researcher and had appeared on red ice radio and had a thread dedicated to people trying to continue his work on a forum like David ickes ,I would be making sure people new what happened

Duh, British intelligence services have gagged them. Through mind control, threat of death, or the other means that they may employ.

[phonicboom]

Rik Clay, from the scant evidence I can see before me, was almost certainly murdered by Masonic UK intelligence.

good post. The suicide line and the fake words from parents that people are buying into are weak.

I would like reiterate what some of us have said, and that you mentioned too, we should go forward with this. Death is one thing, people deal with it in different ways. but moving on, what did he have that lead to his demise? I feel it was what he was going to say next that was important. Ok what he said touched some people, was close to the work of some others, but what was he about to say? that is what we need to unravel and the reason he was silenced.

[spectruma]

I've not read the posts from his "parents" but I would dismiss them almost automatically as propaganda - straight from NWO British intelligence.

On a related note, I would question any user or person that wishes to belittle those questioning the circumstances behind Rik Clay's death. This includes Red Ice Creations. It's the same old thought limiting routine all over again. "You can't think these things... You can't talk about these things"

I am beyond being told what to think, or what not to think for that matter. I imagine most other contributors in the NWO-aware community are in the same boat. Most of us have come out of that mentality of limited thought when we started to question 9/11 and the Establishment [Nature of Reality].

Incidently enough, we are being asked to silence our thoughts and ideas on Rik's death "out of consideration for him and his family". Do you remember the exact same reasoning being argued about 9/11? It's an emotionalist ploy.

[phonicboom]

Yeah the "parents" emails/forum posts are see through. The "don't ask questions" and "have respect" lines are crap. Rik for example openly pointed the finger at Prince William and the whole establishment. He would be quite happy therefore to be a continuing part of the debate now he is dead. There is no way 1) someone used to publicity 2) spiritually aware 3) highly inquisitive would try to restrict the thoughts and words of others.

EDIT: imagine david icke's family resticting speculation if he went missing. It is what Icke does so would be hypocrisy beyond measure.

EDIT: the redice dude, henrik, seemed to have been told to say what he said, maybe for his safety too. He sort of said it's ok to ask questions but mainly inferred we should not.

[runciter]

Rik for example openly pointed the finger at Prince William and the whole establishment.


4 More Years And Counting...

'XXX' symbolises the trinity, much like the early Egyptian creation trinity of Osiris, Isis and Horus.

We, the world, 'consciousness', have been feeding a 'trinity event', blissfully unaware for over a hundred years. I believe that this event is going to take place at the 2012 London Olympics, the XXX Olympiad.

So this leads to the question... who are the members of this 'new trinity'? Who plays Osiris, the role of 'Father'? Who plays Isis, the role of 'Mother'?

Who plays Horus, the 'Son', the 'end game' messiah for a 'New World Order Of The Ages'?

His birthday is on the 21st June, the summer solstice - the sun of the most high.

In the year 2012, he will be 30 years old = 'XXX'.

His name is Prince William....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34593

(scroll down to post n. 9)

[frankanne]

Not by me, I can't judge on that so I won't.



I stepped back, and I think people who won't question are nut-jobs. They walk over your dead body in a snap, piss you out if you are in flames. Pure selfishness, those are the real vultures who come and read about his death, grab a pack of crisps and enjoy the show and care less whether he really had certain problems that might reach further then we think it does. maybe there is a lesson in it for all of us, to watch out what we deal with, because no matter what happened: it killed him.



Maybe, but being utterly lethargic about it, is showing no real feeling. Who cares eh? just another good soul lost!



I did think, and still do.



Ah, so they have their own little 9/11. So they did it for themselves instead of Rik. Good job.

it's DISRESPECTFUL. I would turn 50 times around in my grave when they did that to me. Hence another reason why to create a testament. Obviously it seems that we knew Rik better than his close 'friends' and family. Maybe THAT contributed to his death, witnessing all those friggin' sharky nutjob sharks in his close environment, there has to be a catalyst in any great destructive fire, and usually it's close by! and by the way, I have never said he was taken-out, but being influenced is still murder.

Like I said, it's like a priest being buried on 6:66 on day 6/6/6 in a masonic casket with an inverted pentagram on it.

GET IT?

You stop and think about that one, instead playing the thought police here and moralize us.

Because I had and still have the most respect for Rik, so much that it makes me mad to witness this lethargic attitude by some. Oh who cares, let's go on with what we are doing: destroying the planet and feeding the NWO, licking the shoes of your master and point fingers to those who have questions that aren't satisfied.

powerful post Goldman. I agree.

I can't understand how Rik could be so upbeat on the day of his interview with Red Ice, then the VERY NEXT DAY take down his blog, want to distance himself with all his research and everything, and go into hiding. SOMETHING HAPPENED, didn't it? In just a FEW HOURS.

He either had a breakdown in a few hours (I've seen people have emotional breakdowns, two good friends of mine and they were edgy, not right for quite while before they flipped out totally),

Or he was warned off and scared off.

I'm flabbergasted that someone like Henrik? (Red Ice) and Ian Crane can think that the most 'plausible' explanation is that someone goes from happy, healthy, enthusiastic - to wanting to hide and destroy all work - within a few hours.

And then to level all those insults at us, simply for questioning Rik's disappearing act and then death.

And then to scatter his ashes on 9/11, KNOWING Rik's thoughts on that. That isn't showing respect. I mean surely respecting someone's wishes should be paramount. So that if a Jewish person wants to pay respects to a Catholic person, as a for instance, would it be respectful for the Jewish person to give the Catholic person a Jewish burial? No, it would not.

I'm beginning to wonder if Rik was under pressure by his family and friends to 'give up the research'. Did they sneer at his work and all that he was revealing? Did they tell him he was 'mad'? Makes me wonder.

[frankanne]

Frankanne:)??? what kind of things has the Masons done to threatened you???? should i look over my shoulder for being on this forum???? :(

Hi magnus. No, I haven't been threatened. Eric has. Eric posted that and I just quoted it.

Eric has a website and a radio show exposing the NWO and everything. That is what makes him a target.

So Eric, don't go on holiday without telling us, OK? Or else we're likely to get the search parties out looking for you, lol. I'm not really joking.

[ihaveadream]

I've not read the posts from his "parents" but I would dismiss them almost automatically as propaganda - straight from NWO British intelligence.

On a related note, I would question any user or person that wishes to belittle those questioning the circumstances behind Rik Clay's death. This includes Red Ice Creations. It's the same old thought limiting routine all over again. "You can't think these things... You can't talk about these things"

I am beyond being told what to think, or what not to think for that matter. I imagine most other contributors in the NWO-aware community are in the same boat. Most of us have come out of that mentality of limited thought when we started to question 9/11 and the Establishment [Nature of Reality].

Incidently enough, we are being asked to silence our thoughts and ideas on Rik's death "out of consideration for him and his family". Do you remember the exact same reasoning being argued about 9/11? It's an emotionalist ploy.

I dont like to just echo someone elses opinion, but this persons post pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter

[phonicboom]

2012 zion as PDF

find it here http://www.wittypedia.com/2012_Olympics

download here http://www.wittypedia.com/london-zion-2012-book.pdf

[ericdubay]

Hi magnus. No, I haven't been threatened. Eric has. Eric posted that and I just quoted it.

Eric has a website and a radio show exposing the NWO and everything. That is what makes him a target.

So Eric, don't go on holiday without telling us, OK? Or else we're likely to get the search parties out looking for you, lol. I'm not really joking.

Thank you Frankanne, I really appreciate that. I promise I will never stop my activism against the NWO. If I stop posting here and to my blog without explanation then I guarantee something is wrong. If I end up murdered, suicided, or poisoned, I guarantee it was the Freemasons behind it. This is the kind of love and solidarity that will defeat them. They don't have this kind of compassion on their side, and that is why they have already failed. Peace and love to all genuine Icke forums posters (and to the agents, yes, we love you freaks too).

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[frankanne]

Thank you Frankanne, I really appreciate that. I promise I will never stop my activism against the NWO. If I stop posting here and to my blog without explanation then I guarantee something is wrong. If I end up murdered, suicided, or poisoned, I guarantee it was the Freemasons behind it. This is the kind of love and solidarity that will defeat them. They don't have this kind of compassion on their side, and that is why they have already failed. Peace and love to all genuine Icke forums posters (and to the agents, yes, we love you freaks too).

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

You are so right Eric. love and solidarity is what has defeated them. I could never understand some posters' attitude of 'It's the research that we should concentrate on, and not Rik himself'.

That's why I say that it is the PERSON who is more important than the RESEARCH.

Zeptepi posted on another thread:

There's a post on the Red Ice Forum from sweatyk regarding his correspondence with Rik's father for those interested...
http://www.rediceforum.com/openforum...1&topic=341.54

We can get a timeline from all these different threads and info:

Rik did the Redice interviews on June 8th and 12th 2008

Rik's blog was pulled down the next day, 13th June 2008.

On June 13th, Rik did 2 posts - one at 8.24 in the morning and then another one at 9.51 am. In the last post he did he said 'I promise that will come soon' and he ended the post by saying 'Full expose of the music industry coming soon too'.

That was at 9.51am.

His father has said that Rik suddenly came down with adrenal problems and couldn't even get to the web. So who pulled down his blog that same day?

Does it seem likely that Rik is fine at 9.51am, promising more info, then in a few hours he is stricken with illness, and while being so ill that he can't get to the web, he DOES manage to get to the web, simply to pull down all his work.

We would have to be total idiots to believe that, wouldn't we?

[frankanne]

I've posted on the redice forum:

So the timeline goes like this:

12th June 2008, Rik does the Redice interview. He's upbeat, happy, looking forward to revealing more stuff.

13th June 2008. 8.24am he's posting, happily

9.51am, he's posting again happily, promising 'full expose of the music industry coming soon'.

His father said that he suddenly came down with adrenal problems? and
"it's total shutdown and he doesn't have the capacity to even contemplate going on the web.."

Yet Rik's blog came down on the 13th June 2008. So if Rik suddenly became so ill that day, after posting that he was going to reveal stuff, so ill that he didn't have the capacity to contemplate going on the web - then who took down his blog?

[ericdubay]

We can get a timeline from all these different threads and info:

Rik did the Redice interviews on June 8th and 12th 2008

Rik's blog was pulled down the next day, 13th June 2008.

On June 13th, Rik did 2 posts - one at 8.24 in the morning and then another one at 9.51 am. In the last post he did he said 'I promise that will come soon' and he ended the post by saying 'Full expose of the music industry coming soon too'.

That was at 9.51am.

His father has said that Rik suddenly came down with adrenal problems and couldn't even get to the web. So who pulled down his blog that same day?

Does it seem likely that Rik is fine at 9.51am, promising more info, then in a few hours he is stricken with illness, and while being so ill that he can't get to the web, he DOES manage to get to the web, simply to pull down all his work.

We would have to be total idiots to believe that, wouldn't we?

Excellent Timeline. I hope the naysayers read this timeline and get a jolt to their third-eyes showing them that Rik was murdered, and those are not his parents answering your emails. Also thanks so much to Andrew and PhonicBoom for PDFing Rik's research. Spread that PDF far and wide - this fake alien stuff is the crux of their NWO Endgame, that's why it's so touchy. They've been instilling this "alien" paradigm into the collective consciousness for over 65 years. Now it's to the point that half of Icke forums posters are calling ME closed-minded for saying that physical aliens do not exist. True grays, nordics, and reptilians are non-physical spiritual entities accessible through entheogens. If you really think UFO technology came from aliens, take a look at UFO photos from Germany in the 30's. Then make a timeline of photos from then to current day, you'll notice the "alien" technology advances at the same rate as human technology, from old clunker 30s UFOs to the modern ones.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[strt]

I've posted on the redice forum:

So the timeline goes like this:

12th June 2008, Rik does the Redice interview. He's upbeat, happy, looking forward to revealing more stuff.

13th June 2008. 8.24am he's posting, happily

9.51am, he's posting again happily, promising 'full expose of the music industry coming soon'.

His father said that he suddenly came down with adrenal problems? and
"it's total shutdown and he doesn't have the capacity to even contemplate going on the web.."

Yet Rik's blog came down on the 13th June 2008. So if Rik suddenly became so ill that day, after posting that he was going to reveal stuff, so ill that he didn't have the capacity to contemplate going on the web - then who took down his blog?

Official story does not sound right no matter what part I analyze.

Still worried about nugget - he kind of disappeared, had one post later (few days when he should be back passed long ago) and we had new forum user posting as his friend that he is ok and that they talked on facebook? Sounds too familiar and creepy.

[frankanne]

Excellent Timeline. I hope the naysayers read this timeline and get a jolt to their third-eyes showing them that Rik was murdered, and those are not his parents answering your emails. Also thanks so much to Andrew and PhonicBoom for PDFing Rik's research. Spread that PDF far and wide - this fake alien stuff is the crux of their NWO Endgame, that's why it's so touchy. They've been instilling this "alien" paradigm into the collective consciousness for over 65 years. Now it's to the point that half of Icke forums posters are calling ME closed-minded for saying that physical aliens do not exist. True grays, nordics, and reptilians are non-physical spiritual entities accessible through entheogens. If you really think UFO technology came from aliens, take a look at UFO photos from Germany in the 30's. Then make a timeline of photos from then to current day, you'll notice the "alien" technology advances at the same rate as human technology, from old clunker 30s UFOs to the modern ones.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

A bit like the crop circles that some people think are created by aliens. I mean, if it was aliens, then how come they started off very basic, and as time goes on they get more and more complex and artistic? Were the 'aliens' just learning how to do them in the beginning? I doesn't fit, does it?

What does fit, is that people were doing them and got more practiced as time went on. That fits.

[frankanne]

Official story does not sound right no matter what part I analyze.

Still worried about nugget - he kind of disappeared, had one post later (few days when he should be back passed long ago) and we had new forum user posting as his friend that he is ok and that they talked on facebook? Sounds too familiar and creepy.

yes, Justin said that he would post in a few days - that was quite a fews ago. Where is he?

[thirdwave]

I can now see exactly why friends and family haven't posted on here.
"Don't bother feeding the trolls...". Very good advice eric, and i shall take heed.

The coffee is still on offer for anyone, unless you think it's a way to lure you in so I can poison you with Anthrax or something. Whatever. I don't think i will post here anymore, i've fed the trolls enough.

Take care.

Hi there mate

Don't worry, there is a problem on here at the moment with these kind of people who cant handle the info so grab anything thay can get and demand to be right... in fact I will probably get called a satanist for not going along with the new tribes belief.

I do not know nearly enough about the death or Rik to make judgement...

and it is up to his family how they scatter his ashes as they know him best, not the imposing views on this thread.

It sounds like his mother and father where quite close to him and I'm sure they will be the first to raise the issue if there was a murder possible.

Maybe in time such info may come out but as it stands there is obviously no proof to really make such a claim other than to make assumptions which %70 of the people here like to do.

It would not shock me if some people have killed them selves with all this stuff as some of the info is very frightening and can leave you feeling very drained... but also I think the info can enlighten you so much that you see beyond death and no longer fear it... who knows what Rik was going through, he sounded like a guy who was certainty feeling spiritual experiences that where changing his life.

Its not beyond the realms of possibility that he was killed, but its not really peoples place to go stabbing in the dark about it all....

and its certainly not their place to tell his family where and when they should spread his ashes... perhaps if they understood that the PTB do not own the numbers 9/11 and that numbers and universal then they might have more of an open mind.

Thanks for posting. And I hope Riks works continue to be pushed.

[relaxicab]

I am new to posting here and hadn't heard of Rik or his work before now, but having read through al the threads on his death, i had to post something in regards to his parents saying he had adrenal problems.

The symptoms of Adrenal Failure/fatigue don't come on over night. It's not like flu where you're fine one minute and ill the next. Surely people would have noticed Rik being "different" if he had indeed been sick. Especially considering the main symptoms are extreme tiredness, inability to get out of bed, "brain fog"/unable to concentrate, weight gain....the list goes on.

The thing that doesn't sit right with me is why take the blog down if he actually did have adrenal issues. Adrenal fatigue isn't life threatening. Infact a few weeks of rest with vitamins is known to "cure" it. (even though it's not a recognised medical condition!) If Rik was taking such a rest break to ort himslf out, why not leave the blog for people to read, knowing that eventually he would be back to work on it?

All very strange.:confused:

[the littlest hobo]

[QUOTE=strt;505733]Official story does not sound right no matter what part I analyze.

Still worried about nugget - he kind of disappeared, had one post later (few days when he should be back passed long ago) and we had new forum user posting as his friend that he is ok and that they talked on facebook? Sounds too familiar and creepy.[/QUOTE

Hi! It was me who posted saying Justin asked me to post on here to let you know he will be back in a few days. I can completely understand your suspicions about me as I am new to posting. It did actually take me quite a bit of confidence to post as I have always been afraid of getting ripped apart for saying the wrong thing. But I guess it does not really matter what anyone thinks of me you don't know me. I felt an idiot anyway as the message had already been put on here by Justin already probably as I replied to his message saying I was away for a few days myself I only had access to internet through my mobile.
I was also concerned about Justin as when I found out about Rik I noticed he hadn't been active on facebook for a few days and I sent him a message asking if he was ok. As for the few days being passed long ago, I only got the message on the 12th September, it's only the 16th, I know it seems like a lot longer but I'm sure he will be on here soon.

As for Rik I am with you all on your thoughts and have a very nasty feeling about all this. Surely being the kind thoughtful person we all know he was, he would have had some idea of the outcome if he really was going to take his own life. I would have thought he would know what his close family and loved ones would have to deal with not only with the loss but also the questions that would be asked. Surely he wouldn't knowingly put them through any additional trauma. The fact that he was too ill to get to the computer to say he was ill yet managed to pull his blog down does not make sense. I am very interested in what he was about to uncover about the music industry as I have my suspicions about this area and also the film industry myself.

Anyway think what you like about me, I can only say what I feel to be true, you will get to know me as time goes by and can make your own mind up about me. I am just an ordinary well maybe not ordinary but a humble human being as far as I know, with a family and loved ones.

[thirdwave]

Could any of these suspicions not be answered simply by the fact he had a crazy moment?

it tends to be the case with suicides..

you all seem to visualise him having planned it all.... that's not always the case.

and on top of that, how do you know he did not leave his family a note but it was a personal letter that's none our buisness?

[frankanne]

Could any of these suspicions not be answered simply by the fact he had a crazy moment?

it tends to be the case with suicides..

you all seem to visualise him having planned it all.... that's not always the case.

and on top of that, how do you know he did not leave his family a note but it was a personal letter that's none our buisness?

thirdwave, you're totally missing the point. Back on 16th June 2008 we were worried about Rik, way, way before his death. We all thought something strange had happened for him to be posting happily one minute 9.51am to be precise, and then a short while later THAT VERY SAME DAY, his blog is pulled down.

We were called all sorts back then. Vimpiristic, paranoid, etc. just for saying that we were concerned for him.

Then he 'commits suicide', months later. And we are still being called vultures, conspiracy nuts, etc. etc.

The point being - if he was so ill, as his 'father' says, so ill that he couldn't get to a computer, then how did he remove his blog?

[strt]

The point being - if he was so ill, as his 'father' says, so ill that he couldn't get to a computer, then how did he remove his blog?

Exactly. And how he managed to talk with nugget much later for a few hours (on facebook if I remember correctly) but could not make single post here? He was either ill and could not move a finger or he was capable to delete his blog and talk with Justin. Not both.

[thirdwave]

thirdwave, you're totally missing the point. Back on 16th June 2008 we were worried about Rik, way, way before his death. We all thought something strange had happened for him to be posting happily one minute 9.51am to be precise, and then a short while later THAT VERY SAME DAY, his blog is pulled down.

We were called all sorts back then. Vimpiristic, paranoid, etc. just for saying that we were concerned for him.

Then he 'commits suicide', months later. And we are still being called vultures, conspiracy nuts, etc. etc.

The point being - if he was so ill, as his 'father' says, so ill that he couldn't get to a computer, then how did he remove his blog?

You are all paranoid, and not awake at all, you have simple stepped out of one box and into another which looks bigger.

Maybe he Asked somone to do it...?

asked somone to get a laptop for him and closed it and did not have the energy or motivation to right a big long note to everyone as he kind of just wanted to be in his own head space?, and maybe did not knowhe was going to kill him self at that point?

.. maybe he was not a Guru?

Just a young lad who because very inspired and over whelmed at the same time... did you know him personally?? or you just managed to read his mind while he was on a red ice interview and did not seem like a guy who would kill him self..

We all have a right to our suspicions and our points of view and I guess you can never right anything off, But his family have spoken and as it stands there is nothing at all to show that it was murder.

you gona take his family to court?..

:rolleyes:

[thirdwave]

Exactly. And how he managed to talk with nugget much later for a few hours (on facebook if I remember correctly) but could not make single post here? He was either ill and could not move a finger or he was capable to delete his blog and talk with Justin. Not both.

or he felt like messaging his friend on face book but did not feel like posting here?

mmmmm yyyou never know, that Ccccccould have been the case.

are you really implying that shit like that is enough reason to by pass his family's views that the death was not suspicious?

[ericdubay]

Yoooouuur wwooorrdss haaaave nooo eeffeeecct on usssss, Maaassoonn

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[robindean]

You are all paranoid, and not awake at all

That's like, bullshit.

[strt]

or he felt like messaging his friend on face book but did not feel like posting here?

:rolleyes:

mmmmm yyyou never know, that Ccccccould have been the case.

Worried of truth going public?

are you really implying that shit like that is enough reason to by pass his family's views that the death was not suspicious?

Yes, you insisting that 'there is nothing to see, move on' adds to the whole story a bit... And I never claimed that you talk BS but if you say so it's fine by me.

[phonicboom]

hey go easy on poor old turdwave; The masons are a little outnumbered here, he needs some backup :D

1 mason VS ALL THESE AWAKE PEOPLE is just unfair on the poor chap.

[robindean]

hey go easy on poor old turdwave


Lol.

[kallista]

i feel should jump to Thirdwave's defence here.

He isn't a mason, he is a budding armchair magician. :rolleyes:

[goldman]

Ok, here is the deal in my eyes:

I see people posting who knew Rik, I replied also on a co-worker of him here posting stuff. All they said was: stop and think, do this and do that, but they ALL didn't tell what happened to Rik, not one word.

So here you go: If you knew Rik, you were a friend or family, and you post here, the next time: POST WHAT HAPPENED instead of telling people what to think. This way you put an end to our misery, and yours as well if you are so eager on the facts rather than fiction.

It seems we are the only ones who are trying to time-line Rik's life, no one talks about the blog being pulled, and they also fail to tell that Rik's original site: thecosmicmind.co.uk was pulled also (forwared to blogspot.com)

Furthermore, neither thecosmicmind.co.uk or thecosmicmind.blogspot.com is visible in Google anymore, not even it's cache! nor is it listed in the web archive: http://web.archive.org/web/*/thecosmicmind.co.uk

Which is highly implausible, since his blog has been around long enough to be cached by Google at least once.

By the way this was his homepage: http://www.rikjclay.co.uk/

No info here, just if he is still alive and well. Again, call me whatever you like, but I would pull this as well, or at least post some condolence register, but that might be me. No offense of course, but it's the least one does for 'good friends' since we are total strangers and we care about his passing in more than one reason, why does it stay so silent at the part of those peolpe who replied here, the people who also cared about him and lived close to him.

Please notice that this is my opinion and not the opinion of David Icke's or the other members. So I hope you don't regard the David Icke's forum as a conspiracy cave, since there are a lot of people who don't agree with me/us who post here.

RESPECT. :cool:

[thirdwave]

Yoooouuur wwooorrdss haaaave nooo eeffeeecct on usssss, Maaassoonn

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

That's like, bullshit.

hey go easy on poor old turdwave; The masons are a little outnumbered here, he needs some backup :D

1 mason VS ALL THESE AWAKE PEOPLE is just unfair on the poor chap.

Lol.

i feel should jump to Thirdwave's defence here.

He isn't a mason, he is a budding armchair magician. :rolleyes:


lol
classic, you guys are like the little school kids picking on the one that they don't understand lol

I dont think Im looking at the move evolved breed of the human race here!

is this thread about me being a Freemason now?

baaahhhh baaahhhh

[thirdwave]

Ok, here is the deal in my eyes:

I see people posting who knew Rik, I replied also on a co-worker of him here posting stuff. All they said was: stop and think, do this and do that, but they ALL didn't tell what happened to Rik, not one word.

So here you go: If you knew Rik, you were a friend or family, and you post here, the next time: POST WHAT HAPPENED instead of telling people what to think. This way you put an end to our misery, and yours as well if you are so eager on the facts rather than fiction.

It seems we are the only ones who are trying to time-line Rik's life, no one talks about the blog being pulled, and they also fail to tell that Rik's original site: thecosmicmind.co.uk was pulled also (forwared to blogspot.com)

Furthermore, neither thecosmicmind.co.uk or thecosmicmind.blogspot.com is visible in Google anymore, not even it's cache! nor is it listed in the web archive: http://web.archive.org/web/*/thecosmicmind.co.uk

Which is highly implausible, since his blog has been around long enough to be cached by Google at least once.

By the way this was his homepage: http://www.rikjclay.co.uk/

No info here, just if he is still alive and well. Again, call me whatever you like, but I would pull this as well, or at least post some condolence register, but that might be me. No offense of course, but it's the least one does for 'good friends' since we are total strangers and we care about his passing in more than one reason, why does it stay so silent at the part of those peolpe who replied here, the people who also cared about him and lived close to him.

Please notice that this is my opinion and not the opinion of David Icke's or the other members. So I hope you don't regard the David Icke's forum as a conspiracy cave, since there are a lot of people who don't agree with me/us who post here.

RESPECT. :cool:


so in other words you have found jack shit to show that it was anything other that suicide like his family and friends and have, and the only issue you really have is why his family and friends have not filled everyone in on internet forums on every single detail.... less than a week after his ashes have been scattered....

mmm ok.

[goldman]

And you took exactly 90 seconds to read over my message and post a slanderous message to fill up your non-argumentative values. Again, instead of spending 30 seconds to read and think about what I said, I'll give you another 90 seconds to contemplate on this one:

I said: They DO post so they take the effort, but instead of posting a short story of what happened in reasonable time frame in which it all unfolded, they only post that they knew him and that he was this and that, and that we should stop and think, answerless mumbling.

Don't expect me to comment anymore on you if you keep replying in such manner, you tend to fill up a thread and divert real issues and questions.

Again: RESPECT.

[robindean]

I was just shocked when you said we're still asleep. If we're still asleep why are we on this forum?

Apart from that i don't even know what you were originally talking about :)

Take care

[thirdwave]

Im not debating the "Vultures" any more...

I can only say if his family and friends are reading here, for them not to give up on the truth movement as its not all full of disrespectful imposing people...

Some of us are better at keeping as level perspective on the whole thing and its very much worth getting info out there still...

with that I will leave this swamp pit for the amazing Freemason exposers to show the world their amazing Sherlock talents.. :rolleyes:

[dooby]

I have the utmost respect for everyone posting in this thread. You're all questioning the sudden and mysterious death of Rik, which is honourable. Whilst I understand his death doesn't seem to make sense, a lot of people have conflicting and often contrary opinions.

Could I ask that others' viewpoints be respected without resorting to name calling, or accusation? To understand more fully what's going on we need to listen to everyone's opinion (and clumsily, I wrote I'd sit "on the fence" about this one. This means I'm keeping an open mind - listening to and watching EVERYTHING without judgement.)

As soon as you cling to an idea, and start defending it, you've already lost the ability to reason, and have closed your eyes.

Peace,

Dooby ;)

[goldman]

Im not debating the "Vultures" any more...

I can only say if his family and friends are reading here, for them not to give up on the truth movement as its not all full of disrespectful imposing people...

Some of us are better at keeping as level perspective on the whole thing and its very much worth getting info out there still...

with that I will leave this swamp pit for the amazing Freemason exposers to show the world their amazing Sherlock talents.. :rolleyes:

Good, if you haven't anything to contribute it's pointless to argue over this thread, I never showed you any kind of disrespect, and so it's a custom to give it back somehow. Or do you think that posting 7K+ messages gives you some sort of rank and authority to debunk something that you also said isn't explained while we beg for explanations and answers that aren't given?

Anyway, back to the topic I'd like to keep it on-topic.

[kallista]

lol
classic, you guys are like the little school kids picking on the one that they don't understand lol

I dont think Im looking at the move evolved breed of the human race here!

is this thread about me being a Freemason now?

baaahhhh baaahhhh

i think that are quite a lot of us on this forum that see straight through you.

[zarah]

I'd only just started reading Rik's work and don't know very much at all about him personally..perhaps about as much as most members who've posted in this topic in fact.

Perhaps the reason why so many people refuse to believe he could have committed suicide is because they've placed so much hope into one person who seemed as though he had so much control over his life..'if it became too much for him, what hope is there for the rest of us?' kinda thinking.

He may of been murdered, but there's no proof as far as I can see. If fact there doesn't seem to be much of anything except a whole lot of supposition, guesswork and attacks on people who dare to offer an alternative to the murder theory.

[zarah]

i think that are quite a lot of us on this forum that see straight through you.

Wanna enlighten us? He/ she seems pretty straight up to me.

[eternal_spirit]

Ok, here is the deal in my eyes:

I see people posting who knew Rik, I replied also on a co-worker of him here posting stuff. All they said was: stop and think, do this and do that, but they ALL didn't tell what happened to Rik, not one word.

So here you go: If you knew Rik, you were a friend or family, and you post here, the next time: POST WHAT HAPPENED instead of telling people what to think. This way you put an end to our misery, and yours as well if you are so eager on the facts rather than fiction.

It seems we are the only ones who are trying to time-line Rik's life, no one talks about the blog being pulled, and they also fail to tell that Rik's original site: thecosmicmind.co.uk was pulled also (forwared to blogspot.com)

Furthermore, neither thecosmicmind.co.uk or thecosmicmind.blogspot.com is visible in Google anymore, not even it's cache! nor is it listed in the web archive: http://web.archive.org/web/*/thecosmicmind.co.uk

Which is highly implausible, since his blog has been around long enough to be cached by Google at least once.

By the way this was his homepage: http://www.rikjclay.co.uk/

No info here, just if he is still alive and well. Again, call me whatever you like, but I would pull this as well, or at least post some condolence register, but that might be me. No offense of course, but it's the least one does for 'good friends' since we are total strangers and we care about his passing in more than one reason, why does it stay so silent at the part of those peolpe who replied here, the people who also cared about him and lived close to him.

Please notice that this is my opinion and not the opinion of David Icke's or the other members. So I hope you don't regard the David Icke's forum as a conspiracy cave, since there are a lot of people who don't agree with me/us who post here.

RESPECT. :cool:

I also tried to find the site in archives and agree, very strange it's not showed up.

Also the date his blogs went down, that's a long time until his death. Surely there must be someone reading these threads that can at least say if they were around Rik from when his blog was pulled until he died. What did Rik say do etc in this time?

[lizzy]

thirdwave, you're totally missing the point. Back on 16th June 2008 we were worried about Rik, way, way before his death. We all thought something strange had happened for him to be posting happily one minute 9.51am to be precise, and then a short while later THAT VERY SAME DAY, his blog is pulled down.

We were called all sorts back then. Vimpiristic, paranoid, etc. just for saying that we were concerned for him.

Then he 'commits suicide', months later. And we are still being called vultures, conspiracy nuts, etc. etc.

The point being - if he was so ill, as his 'father' says, so ill that he couldn't get to a computer, then how did he remove his blog?


Indeed frankanne..........;)

[goldman]

I'd only just started reading Rik's work and don't know very much at all about him personally..perhaps about as much as most members who've posted in this topic in fact.

Perhaps the reason why so many people refuse to believe he could have committed suicide is because they've placed so much hope into one person who seemed as though he had so much control over his life..'if it became too much for him, what hope is there for the rest of us?' kinda thinking.

He may of been murdered, but there's no proof as far as I can see. If fact there doesn't seem to be much of anything except a whole lot of supposition, guesswork and attacks on people who dare to offer an alternative to the murder theory.

I never questioned his suicide, only it's circumstances. I said before that people who are into this can be influenced to do something against their own original will. Satanism is one aspect, the whole Satanic doctrine is about to put up tons of dis-info (all sorts of conspiracies) in order to overwhelm people and some people take their own life over it, believe it or not but too much delving into the spiritual world can backfire. And that's why it is important to find out what happened, because it can be a forewarning for all of us who are in this position as well.

[apekteina lordosis]

Im not debating the "Vultures" any more...

I can only say if his family and friends are reading here, for them not to give up on the truth movement as its not all full of disrespectful imposing people...

Some of us are better at keeping as level perspective on the whole thing and its very much worth getting info out there still...


top post. the level of disrespect and plain ignorance from some people on this topic is astounding. who the hell do you people think you are? just because you followed a blog and/or listened to some radio interviews doesn't suddenly give you the right to "access all areas" about someones personal life. don't you think if there had been foul play his parents would have got the rozzers involved? do you honestly think they would have stood by and let their son be murdered and then proclaim he died peacefully? ahhh! of course, they must have been in on it, along with the rest of his family and his real life friends.

people kill themselves every day, it is a sad but real fact of life. if you can't figure out why he killed himself and thus why his parents aren't talking about it then it's down to the simple fact that you are a total idiot.

what? you think you care more about this rik clay fella than his own family and real life friends did? considering virtually everyone reading these related threads didn't actually know the fella in real life, then do you not think that actually it's nothing to do with you? if a member of your family killed themself would you feel happy about total strangers pontificating on the internet about why the deceased did it?

-puke-

[eternal_spirit]

top post. the level of disrespect and plain ignorance from some people on this topic is astounding. who the hell do you people think you are? just because you followed a blog and/or listened to some radio interviews doesn't suddenly give you the right to "access all areas" about someones personal life. don't you think if there had been foul play his parents would have got the rozzers involved? do you honestly think they would have stood by and let their son be murdered and then proclaim he died peacefully? ahhh! of course, they must have been in on it, along with the rest of his family and his real life friends.

people kill themselves every day, it is a sad but real fact of life. if you can't figure out why he killed himself and thus why his parents aren't talking about it then it's down to the simple fact that you are a total idiot.

what? you think you care more about this rik clay fella than his own family and real life friends did? considering virtually everyone reading these related threads didn't actually know the fella in real life, then do you not think that actually it's nothing to do with you? if a member of your family killed themself would you feel happy about total strangers pontificating on the internet about why the deceased did it?

-puke-

Well judging by your judgements of the people on this thread who want to know the truth or at least someone who knew Rik for real could tell us about what Rik was like near the end. It's in our nature to wonder if the offical story is the whole truth. This is not a trivial debate type forum.
And judging by your avatar it's safe to say you are talking out your ass :)

[apekteina lordosis]

Well judging by your judgements of the people on this thread who want to know the truth or at least someone who knew Rik for real could tell us about what Rik was like near the end. It's in our nature to wonder if the offical story is the whole truth. This is not a trivial debate type forum.
And judging by your avatar it's safe to say you are talking out your ass :)

you just don't get it do you. yeah alright you want to know more about rik clay and why he killed himself, but ultimately it is none of your business.

instead of people trying to create some conspiracy out of his suicide, why don't you get back to basics and google the word and find out about the general reasons as to why people kill themselves. then when that lightbulb has learned you something you might actually figure out why his parents don't want to go into the details.

you're turning a human life into a commodity.

[thirdwave]

top post. the level of disrespect and plain ignorance from some people on this topic is astounding. who the hell do you people think you are? just because you followed a blog and/or listened to some radio interviews doesn't suddenly give you the right to "access all areas" about someones personal life. don't you think if there had been foul play his parents would have got the rozzers involved? do you honestly think they would have stood by and let their son be murdered and then proclaim he died peacefully? ahhh! of course, they must have been in on it, along with the rest of his family and his real life friends.

people kill themselves every day, it is a sad but real fact of life. if you can't figure out why he killed himself and thus why his parents aren't talking about it then it's down to the simple fact that you are a total idiot.

what? you think you care more about this rik clay fella than his own family and real life friends did? considering virtually everyone reading these related threads didn't actually know the fella in real life, then do you not think that actually it's nothing to do with you? if a member of your family killed themself would you feel happy about total strangers pontificating on the internet about why the deceased did it?

-puke-

and another good post your self...

[thirdwave]

Well judging by your judgements of the people on this thread who want to know the truth or at least someone who knew Rik for real could tell us about what Rik was like near the end. It's in our nature to wonder if the offical story is the whole truth. This is not a trivial debate type forum.
And judging by your avatar it's safe to say you are talking out your ass :)

your ignorance never fails to impress...

You want to know the truth right??

well how about listening to the fact that his family has stated that he was not murdered and then choosing to stick your nose out of their business? and except the info given has come from the closest people to him?

the mere fact some are implying his family would not want to get to the bottom of a possible murder of their own son is darn right out of order.... what are you lot actually implying here? Do you not think the thought of such a think would make them at all angry?... or did they just ignore it while people on the forum get angry? :rolleyes:

[strt]

and another good post your self...

So you two guys spend time trying to convince us that there is nothing to see here? Is your business to tell us what is our business? No, it is none of your business.

If you don't like this thread you can easily stay away from it but no, you are trying to tell us what to do (and most important what not to do).

[thirdwave]

So you two guys spend time trying to convince us that there is nothing to see here? Is your business to tell us what is our business? No, it is none of your business.

If you don't like this thread you can easily stay away from it but no, you are trying to tell us what to do (and most important what not to do).


very well....

I have said my bit.... enjoy.

[eternal_spirit]

your ignorance never fails to impress...

You want to know the truth right??

well how about listening to the fact that his family has stated that he was not murdered and then choosing to stick your nose out of their business? and except the info given has come from the closest people to him?

the mere fact some are implying his family would not want to get to the bottom of a possible murder of their own son is darn right out of order.... what are you lot actually implying here? Do you not think the thought of such a think would make them at all angry?... or did they just ignore it while people on the forum get angry? :rolleyes:

You shouldn't label me as something many label you here.
Some have asked reasonable questions and not been given reasonable answers in return. This in no way give you and others here the right to have a go at us for asking questions.


Originally Posted by strt http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=507037#post507037)
So you two guys spend time trying to convince us that there is nothing to see here? Is your business to tell us what is our business? No, it is none of your business.

Agreed

[thirdwave]

You shouldn't label me as something many label you here.
Some have asked reasonable questions and not been given reasonable answers in return. This in no way give you and others here the right to have a go at us for asking questions.


Originally Posted by strt http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=507037#post507037)
So you two guys spend time trying to convince us that there is nothing to see here? Is your business to tell us what is our business? No, it is none of your business.

Agreed

As usual a post full of awareness and understanding ES! *claps*

[eternal_spirit]

As usual a post full of awareness and understanding ES! *claps*

LOL
I've not followed all these threads maybe I've missed some info. But if Rik's family or friends are reading them and it caused them upset, then they could easily have words with the mods to close the threads.
It doesn't add up his death why would a nice upbeat chap with other things going on in his life and much to live for do himself in:confused:

[kweli]

you just don't get it do you. yeah alright you want to know more about rik clay and why he killed himself, but ultimately it is none of your business.

instead of people trying to create some conspiracy out of his suicide, why don't you get back to basics and google the word and find out about the general reasons as to why people kill themselves. then when that lightbulb has learned you something you might actually figure out why his parents don't want to go into the details.

you're turning a human life into a commodity.

Thanks for the advice, but I don't feel the need to 'get back to basics' or to google it. I've already studied suicide long & hard; several people close to me have taken their own lives, including my younger brother.

I have no idea what happened to Rik Clay, I'm not making any assumptions. All I know is - - there's something desperately wrong about this whole case, and If I feel the need to question it then I will, and If you, or anyone else doesn't like it.. tough luck!

[thirdwave]

LOL
I've not followed all these threads maybe I've missed some info. But if Rik's family or friends are reading them and it caused them upset, then they could easily have words with the mods to close the threads.
It doesn't add up his death why would a nice upbeat chap with other things going on in his life and much to live for do himself in:confused:




well, sometimes people look ok and they smile and act normal, but when they go home they are sad.... and sometimes they might get so sad one evening that they forget about alot of things and end up loosing them selves in their sadness... and do crazy things that maybe on an other day they would not have done... in this case I think he was a very intelligent a nice guy but was obviously very emotional and like the man on Red ice put, sometimes it can be to much.... like a hard drive with no more space....

when you get a bit older you will understand...

[apekteina lordosis]

So you two guys spend time trying to convince us that there is nothing to see here? Is your business to tell us what is our business? No, it is none of your business.

If you don't like this thread you can easily stay away from it but no, you are trying to tell us what to do (and most important what not to do).

speculate away then. you obviously can't figure out why a family would want
to keep the details of the death of their son private, nor respect that wish.

[thirdwave]

Thanks for the advice, but I don't feel the need to 'get back to basics' or to google it. I've already studied suicide long & hard; several people close to me have taken their own lives, including my younger brother.


would it be ok if we start a few threads about it and play guessing games about how he done it and why, or that he was really murdered and you are to silly to know or don't want to know??

or would that be none of our business and totally disrespectful?

[thirdwave]

You really are a nasty piece of work TW. Why the hell aren't the mods doing anything about your constant baiting in these threads?

and your not only a disrespectful inconsiderate person, but your also a big hypocrite...

[eternal_spirit]

Thanks for the advice, but I don't feel the need to 'get back to basics' or to google it. I've already studied suicide long & hard; several people close to me have taken their own lives, including my younger brother.

I have no idea what happened to Rik Clay, I'm not making any assumptions. All I know is - - there's something desperately wrong about this whole case, and If I feel the need to question it then I will, and If you, or anyone else doesn't like it.. tough luck!

Same here. I'm not going into my own personal experiences but relate and sympathise with yours.

For what we know about Rik (not enough) but maybe enough to say he wasn't a suicide candidate, not by his own will, but maybe from outside interference, electronic/hypnosis etc.

[eternal_spirit]

speculate away then. you obviously can't figure out why a family would want
to keep the details of the death of their son private, nor respect that wish.


But if Rik's family or friends are reading these threads and it caused them upset, then they could easily have words with the mods to close the threads.

[kweli]

Same here. I'm not going into my own personal experiences but relate and sympathise with yours.

For what we know about Rik (not enough) but maybe enough to say he wasn't a suicide candidate, not by his own will, but maybe from outside interference, electronic/hypnosis etc.

Exactly.. and thanks for your empathy ES. :)

[apekteina lordosis]

empathy

not much of that for the family of the deceased though.

still, keep up your "great" work, you'll probably find your own hard drives
running out of space eventually, and if anyone throws true empathy your
way you'll treat them with benevolent disregard. but hey! you're tougher
than that, right? your head is never gonna go "wrong" and if it does,
you ain't gonna fall into the trap of getting psychiatric help and pills
from the "industrial pharmaceutical complex" cos you've read about
such things being "bad" on conspiracy forums. ever decreasing circles.

[ihaveadream]

not much of that for the family of the deceased though.

still, keep up your "great" work, you'll probably find your own hard drives
running out of space eventually, and if anyone throws true empathy your
way you'll treat them with benevolent disregard. but hey! you're tougher
than that, right? your head is never gonna go "wrong" and if it does,
you ain't gonna fall into the trap of getting psychiatric help and pills
from the "industrial pharmaceutical complex" cos you've read about
such things being "bad" on conspiracy forums. ever decreasing circles.

Can you please explain your post to me ? a very genuine question .. i dont actually understand the point your trying to make to Kweli ?

[eternal_spirit]

not much of that for the family of the deceased though.

still, keep up your "great" work, you'll probably find your own hard drives
running out of space eventually, and if anyone throws true empathy your
way you'll treat them with benevolent disregard. but hey! you're tougher
than that, right? your head is never gonna go "wrong" and if it does,
you ain't gonna fall into the trap of getting psychiatric help and pills
from the "industrial pharmaceutical complex" cos you've read about
such things being "bad" on conspiracy forums. ever decreasing circles.

Way out of order, anyone reading this thread will agree. Did you even read what she posted-Kweli said

Quote:
Originally Posted by kweli http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=507124#post507124)
Thanks for the advice, but I don't feel the need to 'get back to basics' or to google it. I've already studied suicide long & hard; several people close to me have taken their own lives, including my younger brother.

end quote


And my post before

But if Rik's family or friends are reading these threads and it caused them upset, then they could easily have words with the mods to close the threads.

[apekteina lordosis]

i am pointing out the lack of empathy for the family of rick clay.

they've accepted how his life ended yet somehow for you bunch of fearless armchair warriors this is not good enough for you. who do you people think you are? seriously.

you weren't related to rik clay, you didn't even know him in real life. at the most you probably traded a few posts with him on this or that forum, at the least you might have read his blog and/or listened to his radio interviews.

yet somehow you feel you have the right to question the nature of his death, even though his parents and his real life friends have accepted how he died. that's not to say they haven't come to terms with it though, such is the grieving process.

it's as if his parents exercising their fundamental right to privacy concerning the death of their son has somehow detrimentally impinged on your own lives.

who deserves empathy, respect and compassion concerning this matter?
the family and real life friends of rik clay or you?

[ihaveadream]

i am pointing out the lack of empathy for the family of rick clay.

they've accepted how his life ended yet somehow for you bunch of fearless armchair warriors this is not good enough for you. who do you people think you are? seriously.

you weren't related to rik clay, you didn't even know him in real life. at the most you probably traded a few posts with him on this or that forum, at the least you might have read his blog and/or listened to his radio interviews.

yet somehow you feel you have the right to question the nature of his death, even though his parents and his real life friends have accepted how he died. that's not to say they haven't come to terms with it though, such is the grieving process.

it's as if his parents exercising their fundamental right to privacy concerning the death of their son has somehow detrimentally impinged on your own lives.

who deserves empathy, respect and compassion concerning this matter?
the family and real life friends of rik clay or you?

Who do these people think they are ? Ummm , inquisitive, hopefully free thinking individuals !!!

Of course people have the *right* to question Rik Clay's death ... they have the right to question anything, no matter how painful ... well, thats certainly my belief, and thats what im fighting for.

how can you say peolple dont have the "right" to question Riks death, or anything ?

[apekteina lordosis]

ihaveadream said:
Who do these people think they are ? Ummm , inquisitive, hopefully free thinking individuals !!!

hey! look at me, i'm an inquistive free thinking individual!

ihaveadream said:

Of course people have the *right* to question Rik Clay's death ... they have the right to question anything, no matter how painful ... well, thats certainly my belief, and thats what im fighting for.

sure, you can question whatever you like, but that doesn't mean you'll get an indepth warts and all answer. i'm trying to point out the reasons why you'll probably never get the information you seek.

ihaveadream said:

how can you say peolple dont have the "right" to question Riks death, or anything ?

again, you can question what you like, but there are times in life when the decent thing to do is not to question. this is one of them. you can bang on all you like about conspiracies about the death of rik clay, but really all you are doing is making yourselves out to be nobcheeses of supreme proportions.

right! i've said my bit. i'm outta of this thread.

[phonicboom]

i.e. I'm a mason too (edited due to threats of legal action :D )

Most of the last 4-5 pages are 3 masons talking to each other. Thirdwave, apekteina lordosis and eternal.

they are giving the thread serious credence by going to so much effort to destroy free flowing conversation and just fill the thread with their rubbish.

Rik's death is now getting even darker overtones by the attempt of these masons to destroy this thread.

ADMIN please save this thread!

[eternal_spirit]

So, what makes you think I'm a Mason? If you think I am why would I have spent so much time posting info about Masons?

[thirdwave]

Im out of this thread... if people cant see how out of order they are being then thats there mountain to climb ....

I will be happy to continue via PM with anyone...

Over and out.

[frankanne]

Hi Kweli, I can imagine how difficult this subject must be for you. I remember reading the posts and posting when we first found out Rik had died. I know how hard it hit you and brought back painful feelings. I can’t believe the cruelty of some on this forum. I only hope the viciousness doesn’t hurt you, because those dishing out such nastiness, really are not worth it.

For all you posters, who keep going on about how the family want everyone to keep quiet about Rik’s death, let me speak as a mother of a son who has suffered a terrible accident, involving police and ambulance and an ‘official story’ that does NOT make any sense. There is no way that I want people to ‘be quiet’ about my son. I want the truth of what happened to him, and I cannot believe that Rik’s mother would feel any differently. If I was Rik’s mother I would be honoured and grateful that people were so touched and concerned for the truth of my son’s death. I certainly would not be offended.

So all you holier than thou posters who think it is disrespectful of us to be concerned for Rik’s passing, let me tell you that it is disrespectful to just shrug your shoulders and take any story that is given, even though it doesn’t make sense.

Rik gave a radio interview on the 12th June 2008. Anyone can listen to that interview and make their own views on whether or not this young man sounded ‘troubled’. He didn’t. He sounded happy, enthusiastic and looking forward to revealing more stuff.

Rik posted happily the following day on the 13th June at 9.51am, saying he would be revealing a load of stuff about the music industry.

Later THAT SAME DAY his blog comes down, Rik goes underground. His ‘father’ says in an email that he became so ill so quickly that he couldn’t get to a computer – YET HIS BLOG CAME DOWN. Now, like I said, I have an ongoing investigation with my own son, there are things there that don’t tally, and Rik’s disappearance and the disappearance of his blog DOES NOT FIT WITH THE FACTS.

Now, something happened to Rik between 9.51am and later that day. Something more than adrenal problems, because as another poster here said, she has suffered with adrenal problems herself and it is not something that hits out of the blue, incapacitating someone within a few hours.

Now all you posters who feel ‘offended’ by this thread and by those of us who feel dissatisfied with the official story, there is a simple solution. You don’t have to read this thread. It isn’t ‘compulsory’, so go on a thread of your liking.

I find your insults and cruelty distasteful. Your posts are sneering, with a nasty whiff of deluded superiority - quite abhorrent. If you don’t like it here, you know what to do.

And please, I don’t mean this for those posters who genuinely believe the official story. Of course we are all entitled to our own opinion and we are entitled to voice that opinion. And we should be able to listen to all views from all sides. That’s what we are trying to do, but are being waylaid by a nasty agenda by a few posters. What I find abhorrent, is the personal insults that a few of the posters here have thrown at us and whose sole intention is to close down the debate

And I'd like to repeat what someone else on here said. Isn't this exactly the same emotional blackmail that was used by the illuminati and their puppets to stop people questioning the 9.11 official story? It will upset the families of those who died.

[phonicboom]

edited due to sailing off topic.

frankanne, nice post :)

[Ian2day]

Hi Kweli, I can imagine how difficult this subject must be for you. I remember reading the posts and posting when we first found out Rik had died. I know how hard it hit you and brought back painful feelings. I can’t believe the cruelty of some on this forum. I only hope the viciousness doesn’t hurt you, because those dishing out such nastiness, really are not worth it.

For all you posters, who keep going on about how the family want everyone to keep quiet about Rik’s death, let me speak as a mother of a son who has suffered a terrible accident, involving police and ambulance and an ‘official story’ that does NOT make any sense. There is no way that I want people to ‘be quiet’ about my son. I want the truth of what happened to him, and I cannot believe that Rik’s mother would feel any differently. If I was Rik’s mother I would be honoured and grateful that people were so touched and concerned for the truth of my son’s death. I certainly would not be offended.

So all you holier than thou posters who think it is disrespectful of us to be concerned for Rik’s passing, let me tell you that it is disrespectful to just shrug your shoulders and take any story that is given, even though it doesn’t make sense.

Rik gave a radio interview on the 12th June 2008. Anyone can listen to that interview and make their own views on whether or not this young man sounded ‘troubled’. He didn’t. He sounded happy, enthusiastic and looking forward to revealing more stuff.

Rik posted happily the following day on the 13th June at 9.51am, saying he would be revealing a load of stuff about the music industry.

Later THAT SAME DAY his blog comes down, Rik goes underground. His ‘father’ says in an email that he became so ill so quickly that he couldn’t get to a computer – YET HIS BLOG CAME DOWN. Now, like I said, I have an ongoing investigation with my own son, there are things there that don’t tally, and Rik’s disappearance and the disappearance of his blog DOES NOT FIT WITH THE FACTS.

Now, something happened to Rik between 9.51am and later that day. Something more than adrenal problems, because as another poster here said, she has suffered with adrenal problems herself and it is not something that hits out of the blue, incapacitating someone within a few hours.

Now all you posters who feel ‘offended’ by this thread and by those of us who feel dissatisfied with the official story, there is a simple solution. You don’t have to read this thread. It isn’t ‘compulsory’, so go on a thread of your liking.

I find your insults and cruelty distasteful. Your posts are sneering, with a nasty whiff of deluded superiority - quite abhorrent. If you don’t like it here, you know what to do.

And please, I don’t mean this for those posters who genuinely believe the official story. Of course we are all entitled to our own opinion and we are entitled to voice that opinion. And we should be able to listen to all views from all sides. That’s what we are trying to do, but are being waylaid by a nasty agenda by a few posters. What I find abhorrent, is the personal insults that a few of the posters here have thrown at us and whose sole intention is to close down the debate

And I'd like to repeat what someone else on here said. Isn't this exactly the same emotional blackmail that was used by the illuminati and their puppets to stop people questioning the 9.11 official story? It will upset the families of those who died.

I am also interested in what has happened to Rik and what he was going to expose about the music industry. I have been threatened on this forum with being made to walk the plank or be stabbed,. They sort of implied that this is what happened to Richey from the manic street preachers. Someone has seen what I have posted elsewhere on the internet and then made a post about it all on the Icke forum. Implying that if I don't stop I will be shut up. When I went back to the thread the next day, as if by magic the thread had changed to not include the threat against me anymore.

[eternal_spirit]

When I went back to the thread the next day, as if by magic the thread had changed to not include the threat against me anymore.

Who ever posted it would have deleted it themslelves maybe to play mind games.

[thirdwave]

*Quote - Jon Clay*

I've just read the latest posts on the Icke forum - both yourself and "greenpeasproject" are close to understanding what has happened to Rik, it's just a bit disconcerting that some people refuse to accept that there is nothing sinister at large.

http://www.rediceforum.com/openforum/index.php?topic=341.54

[phonicboom]

Facts that don't add up.

"He did this"

the electronic record says otherwise.

"This happened"

medical knowledge says otherwise.

[strt]

Next step would be that somebody claiming to be his close relative opens account here and try to make us feel ashamed for trying to figure out what happened. Writing this in advance to prevent such logical next step.

[lookfar]

Guys can we please keep this thread on topic & quit the personal insults.

If you really wish to carry them on, please do so off the forum & definitely not in this thread.

Thanks:)

[ericdubay]

No need for insults, but this is MY thread and I deem it entirely ON TOPIC. So please continue pointing fingers at the Mason/Agents and discussing their strategies. Thanks

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[eternal_spirit]

So, if there's family and friends (supposedly been posting on these threads and other forums) have they said how he is supposed to have killed himself? Suicide isn't as simple as it may sound.

[beldazar]

Am I crazy to think that there are NO freemasons posting on this thread? Oh wait! Now someone is going to think Im a mason!

Its just different points of view, even if it was suicide, it still should not have happened...........

Excellent post Frankanne!

[goldman]

I agree, what's the point in arguing what someone believes. No one likes the thought police. If I read back I only read 1 time the idea that he was murdered, as far as I know the majority think he killed himself, but we like know what happened, not the way in which he killed himself but just a short explaination leading up to his choice of taking his own life and the mysteries surrounding his blog, talk on redice and the "strange" posts by "so called" "friends", and the lethargic attitude by some surrounding Rik's passing. That's all.

And if you feel offended by this, you should be offended by anyone questioning 9/11, those victims had family TOO. Rik covered that as well, so it's a bit hypocritical to even assume we won't discuss his passing right? Maybe Rik offended family of 911 victims or whatever you know, It's a good time to look in the mirror when you want to close this thread, next time you discuss Madeline or some other poor fellow who is dead, think about this thread and their family before posting YOUR conspiracy.

Peace.

[phonicboom]

It's simple; as a mason can not, and will not, say anything very bad about the group due to their code of conduct; so anyone who is accused and does not deny it, and does not say something against the masons can be seen as a mason - It is easy for any non-mason to simply say "they are a bunch of misguided idiots" where as a mason will just argue back and not say any such thing.

typical response from a mason is attack you or to accuse you of something else to throw the conversation off or deflect the issue.

They often stand out as they are not awake or on the level of the good people. they can only write that "such a person said this" and not anything from direct insight.

They are clearly in this thread and others and here they are trying to throw this topic off course, promoting the "leave it be" ideal and missing the fact that is not what we or rik are about. We seek, and can see truth :)

[synergy777]

the work rik published in the public forum was not enough to send him over the edge, it wasn't deep occult etc, it was critical/creative thought. so henrik with his analysis is wrong imho. why rik committed suicide we might not ever know. he seemed a talented man, he had a good job, good friends, and a good social life. the real reasons are not known to us, thus speculation to me, seems like people like henrik are gloating over his death eg he couldn't handle the truth, unlike us professional researchers etc. personally, rik done more work than henrik and crane. i mean come on what half these researchers do is pure theatre, they are living in fantasy land, crop cirlces, channeled information, ripping old vedic concepts and passing it of as there own.

how many of them offer pragmatic and intelligent discourse?

the thing is rik's work resonated with the average person/common man. we could see his work and relate to it. that is what i am, i am a common man, average bloke, the masses, a sheep etc. all these researchers are frankly up their own arseholes and are detached from the reality of the masses. they pontificate about how they know the truth and they don't know much. i have connected more dots than most of the researchers, and yet most don't even see the connections, not even the famous researchers. see the thing is what we do, is for all of us, its about bringing the info to everyone, not being snobby and saying the sheep do not know this, they cannot handle the truth, that is bullshit to be frank. do not underestimate the intelligence and compassion of the masses, we are the masses, we are not seperate from them. too many researchers sell out, get all elitest and look down onto the masses/amateur researchers like me, rik, us etc.

i like red ice, but too much worshipping of false idols eg researchers with flashy websites is going on. trust in ourselves and our own ability, respect yourself and eachother. half of these reserachers are disinfo, payrolled to keep us apart and in conflict with eachother.

has henrik, ian crane etc pointed out the mistakes in riks work, have they given us a critical analysis, no. judge them by their fruits/works/actions. they all say this is wrong etc, but what do they offer?

i didn't know rik that well, but someone has to defend his honour from these snobby slandering researchers, they are acting like vultures, there time is over.

[goldman]

And this is what I wanted to see, finally someone (from the US?) took the effort to make a tribute for Rik:

http://www.rikclay.com/

Peace.

[synergy777]

is it just the pic, he had a good vibe/energy/spirit.

[planetsadhana]

its a bit like spiritual snobery, conspiracy researcher snobery...you can spot it a mile off,

[synergy777]

its a bit like spiritual snobery, conspiracy researcher snobery...you can spot it a mile off,


yep, which is hypocritical, considering we are all one, infinite awareness, and the views of the elite.

we should share openly, treat everyone the same. some researchers do not, some do but most i think are like, how can i say it. this stuff is their last chance at being someone, a type of conspiracy culture celeb. they pretend they do not believe in fame, power, etc, but they love it. snobbery comes from arrogance/insecurity. everybody to a degree loves to be loved, famous, its an ego trip.

me i am too stubborn, single minded to give a hoot, lol, as long as the job gets done, who cares about the fame/credit, its all about results, eg us the people winning, and liberating ourselves, and living in peace. everything else is secondary, the main objective is winning.

to be honest this stuff comes easy to me, hence sometimes i am right, sometimes i am wrong. but we need to all contribute, thus helping eachother to improve, to fine tune our data, to increase its accuracy. it should be inclusive not exclusive.

its a team effort this time, not a mission for one poor soul. its too big, too much responsibility to expect one person to have all the answers, do everything. we have to help aswell. think about, all the previous times, krishna, buddha, yashuah, were on solo missions, and the elite beat them.

this time we cannot fail, failure is not an option. thus we must take collective responsibility and unite, we have the power, we just don't have the self belief, self confidence in ourselves. we don't have trust in ourselves and we don't trust eachother.

we must change this.

[frankanne]

Am I crazy to think that there are NO freemasons posting on this thread? Oh wait! Now someone is going to think Im a mason!

Its just different points of view, even if it was suicide, it still should not have happened...........

Excellent post Frankanne!

thanks beldazar. And as for masons on this thread, I think phonicboom's post says it really well.

I believe they post on these forums. I suppose, when you think about it, it would be naive of us to think that they wouldn't come to a Divid Icke forum.

[frankanne]

I agree, what's the point in arguing what someone believes. No one likes the thought police. If I read back I only read 1 time the idea that he was murdered, as far as I know the majority think he killed himself, but we like know what happened, not the way in which he killed himself but just a short explaination leading up to his choice of taking his own life and the mysteries surrounding his blog, talk on redice and the "strange" posts by "so called" "friends", and the lethargic attitude by some surrounding Rik's passing. That's all.

And if you feel offended by this, you should be offended by anyone questioning 9/11, those victims had family TOO. Rik covered that as well, so it's a bit hypocritical to even assume we won't discuss his passing right? Maybe Rik offended family of 911 victims or whatever you know, It's a good time to look in the mirror when you want to close this thread, next time you discuss Madeline or some other poor fellow who is dead, think about this thread and their family before posting YOUR conspiracy.

Peace.

That's a really good point goldman. I've never looked on the Madelaine thread, but I wonder if any of those telling us to 'shut up, think of the family', have posted on there? Or ever posted about those killed in 9/11?

[frankanne]

..
its a team effort this time, not a mission for one poor soul. its too big, too much responsibility to expect one person to have all the answers, do everything. we have to help aswell. think about, all the previous times, krishna, buddha, yashuah, were on solo missions, and the elite beat them.

this time we cannot fail, failure is not an option. thus we must take collective responsibility and unite, we have the power, we just don't have the self belief, self confidence in ourselves. we don't have trust in ourselves and we don't trust eachother.

we must change this.

That's the answer, isn't it syn? self belief, self confidence, self trust and trusting each other. We can do this. Love your way of thinking, loads of wisdom there.

[eyepod]

I found this article in the Scunthorpe Telegraph regarding Rik:

Full Article:
http://www.thisisscunthorpe.co.uk/news/Scunthorpe-rock-guitarist-dies/article-303447-detail/article.html

WELL-known Scunthorpe– born rock guitarist, singer and writer Richard 'Rik' Clay has died at his home in Ilkley at the age of 26.
His grieving family led by his parents John and Jill Clay said there were no suspicious circumstances.
John, a former professional rock guitarist himself, said of his son: "Rik was a brilliant shining star....

[klinker]

I found this article in the Scunthorpe Telegraph regarding Rik:

Full Article:
http://www.thisisscunthorpe.co.uk/news/Scunthorpe-rock-guitarist-dies/article-303447-detail/article.html

Considering everything he said about numerology and the number 11 the fact that his funeral service took place on September 11th jumped out at me.

[apekteina lordosis]

phonicboom perhaps you should consider the implications for these forums if things were to go legal. despite my polite pm to you and a forum official, you've decided to treat this matter as if it is amusing.

i never said that i was a mason. you quoted me as saying i was. anyone who clicks the button next to that quote will be taken to my full post and they will see i never said that. of course whether people want to bother with actually spending a minute or two finding out for themselves is another matter. perhaps that is what you are banking on. committing libel and thinking people will take your words at face value. in a court of law that would not be the case. maybe the real reason for your behaviour is an attempt to get these forums closed.

well, i won't be raising to the bait. i am not a mason, i am not a paid shill, i am not a dis-info agent and i am not going to be used as some sort of pawn.

you can say what you like about me. you can press the quote function on one of my posts and replace my words with something else that satisfies your deluded fantasies. you took the piss, i was polite about it with you via pm, but despite this you're continuing to take the piss. maybe you get your kicks from attempting to wind people up, doesn't really bother me as, sure is sure, one day in your life you'll wind up the wrong person, who is bothered by people taking the piss.

you see, this is just one forum of bazillions on da net. and people, safe behind their computer screens in the comfort of their own home, think they can lie and libel all they like. what will happen at some point is tptb will see this as an ideal opportunity to stamp down on free speech, cos eventually someone on some forum will say something and as a result it will spill over into real life and people will get hurt and the media will stuff it down the throats of the great unwashed and tell them that the answer is for "internet passports" and the masses in their wisdom will agree and thus free speech and anonymity on da net will die and censorship will reign.

maybe that is something you might want to ponder for a while, in fact, all of us seriously consider. it's so damn easy to type some words, press enter and voila! it's printed. but like a stream in the hills it eventually flourishes into a raging river. it all adds up and someone is crunching the numbers and building banks to direct the flow to the destination of their choice. the further the river takes us, the harder it is to turn round and attempt to swim upstream.

[synergy777]

That's the answer, isn't it syn? self belief, self confidence, self trust and trusting each other. We can do this. Love your way of thinking, loads of wisdom there.

cheers, i think that this is the most pragmatic and positive way forward.

it would make us overcome our prejudices and work together.

[eternal_spirit]

phonicboom perhaps you should consider the implications for these forums if things were to go legal. despite my polite pm to you and a forum official, you've decided to treat this matter as if it is amusing.

i never said that i was a mason. you quoted me as saying i was. anyone who clicks the button next to that quote will be taken to my full post and they will see i never said that. of course whether people want to bother with actually spending a minute or two finding out for themselves is another matter. perhaps that is what you are banking on. committing libel and thinking people will take your words at face value. in a court of law that would not be the case. maybe the real reason for your behaviour is an attempt to get these forums closed.

well, i won't be raising to the bait. i am not a mason, i am not a paid shill, i am not a dis-info agent and i am not going to be used as some sort of pawn.

you can say what you like about me. you can press the quote function on one of my posts and replace my words with something else that satisfies your deluded fantasies. you took the piss, i was polite about it with you via pm, but despite this you're continuing to take the piss. maybe you get your kicks from attempting to wind people up, doesn't really bother me as, sure is sure, one day in your life you'll wind up the wrong person, who is bothered by people taking the piss.

you see, this is just one forum of bazillions on da net. and people, safe behind their computer screens in the comfort of their own home, think they can lie and libel all they like. what will happen at some point is tptb will see this as an ideal opportunity to stamp down on free speech, cos eventually someone on some forum will say something and as a result it will spill over into real life and people will get hurt and the media will stuff it down the throats of the great unwashed and tell them that the answer is for "internet passports" and the masses in their wisdom will agree and thus free speech and anonymity on da net will die and censorship will reign.

maybe that is something you might want to ponder for a while, in fact, all of us seriously consider. it's so damn easy to type some words, press enter and voila! it's printed. but like a stream in the hills it eventually flourishes into a raging river. it all adds up and someone is crunching the numbers and building banks to direct the flow to the destination of their choice. the further the river takes us, the harder it is to turn round and attempt to swim upstream.

Well said he also said I was a mason, and I asked why does he think that?, of course he's had lastnight and today to reply but he hasn't.
Phonicboom you're full of shit.

[eternal_spirit]

Last post about the mason accusation.
When this forum got invaded by Masons about a year ago, I was one of the main debaters with them, alongside a few others we proved and showed them up to be liars, I battled for months on those threads, had many so called none masons backing up the known masons I jest not.

Didn't see Phonicboom in any of those threads. Maybe he's the Mason what better cover a mason accusing genuine researchers as myself of being masons!

I almost resorted to a rant and bad language but hey what's new I get called a mason a nazi a fundi christian a shill and agent before. All lies.

ES angry :mad:

[beldazar]

yes phonicbooms post did put it in a way I can understand, it makes perfect sense! although having said that, i know (or think I know) at least one person who isnt :D


oops, just read what I said, me saying that may mean that IAM a mason knowing who isnt??? lol

Syn, your post a few back was really good, thanks, cant quote you, Im editing and dont know how :o

[apekteina lordosis]

Last post about the mason accusation.
When this forum got invaded by Masons about a year ago, I was one of the main debaters with them, alongside a few others we proved and showed them up to be liars, I battled for months on those threads, had many so called none masons backing up the known masons I jest not.

Didn't see Phonicboom in any of those threads. Maybe he's the Mason what better cover a mason accusing genuine researchers as myself of being masons!

I almost resorted to a rant and bad language but hey what's new I get called a mason a nazi a fundi christian a shill and agent before. All lies.

ES angry :mad:

hopefully phonicboom will come to realise he got a tad over excited and just say oops apols about that, now let's move onwards and upwards together in unison. it might take a day or a week or a month or a year or it might never
happen. if it never happens, "oh well" then hey... show me someone who hasn't made a mistake and i'll show you someone who has never lived. this scene can be insane at times, the trick is to try and keep ya feet on the ground, even if your head is residing in some other universe.

[goldman]

Good point, I lost track of who's who and which mason is who etc. :)

[eternal_spirit]

hopefully phonicboom will come to realise he got a tad over excited and just say oops apols about that, now let's move onwards and upwards together in unison. it might take a day or a week or a month or a year or it might never
happen. if it never happens, "oh well" then hey... show me someone who hasn't made a mistake and i'll show you someone who has never lived. this scene can be insane at times, the trick is to try and keep ya feet on the ground, even if your head is residing in some other universe.

Fair enough. He can think what he likes same goes for anyone else here. But anyone in doubt should click on my name and see how many threads and posts I've made about Freemasonry and other things they are involved in and created (that many on here lap up) Hint the New Agers to name some. The Mayan's have Freemasons to there's a clue.

So, I'll leave the Rik debate for those who know more than myself. There's so many threads to catch up with and what delicate issue. Peace be with Rik and Family.

[frankanne]

Fair enough. He can think what he likes same goes for anyone else here. But anyone in doubt should click on my name and see how many threads and posts I've made about Freemasonry and other things they are involved in and created (that many on here lap up) Hint the New Agers to name some. The Mayan's have Freemasons to there's a clue.

So, I'll leave the Rik debate for those who know more than myself. There's so many threads to catch up with and what delicate issue. Peace be with Rik and Family.

when you get right down to it, it doesn't matter if someone is a mason or not. What matters is what's in their heart.

And if all they can come up with is superficial ego one up man ship, then they are in need of HEART.

Masons have nothing to do with this. It's about heart and caring and joining up and being one with each other. And if those posters who try to disrupt and destroy are masons or not masons, it doesn't matter. Some are disrupters, some are joiners. You can tell who is who from what they say in their posts.

[phonicboom]

another 2 pages wasted with "i'm not a mason" - not much about "Rik".

If you are so into your cult then a slur can't affect you. If you are simply not in the cult ans the accusation is made then why all the upset?

I think that Eric and Rik, the writer of Wayki Wayki, maker of Esoteric Agenda and so on are all important to the movement. and on that note;

Important research by eric (http://www.wittypedia/atlantean-conspiracy/the-atlantean-conspiracy-in-bits.pdf) < get this copy of the atlantean conspiracy in it's cut down format with links to useful info.

What we don't mind is people looking for answers and what we do mind is those throwing the debate off to "my damaged ego" or "think of the family" - of course we think of the family at a time of sadness -- we don't need telling!

:)

[markstephenson]

Mindless speculation.

No one posting here has any idea what his state of mind was, Maybe he had problems in his romantic relationships, maybe he had problems at work, maybe he had problems with his family, maybe he had financial problems, maybe he had medical problems. Maybe he just received some shattering news about a loved one.

You know absolutely nothing about the man, any combination of what may even be minor problems is enough to make people feel suicidal. You have not one insight into his state of mind. Take Bridgend and its teenagers for example of seemingly happy people killing themselves, it happens.

"It was murder and thats not his mother!!!"

absolute rubbish, If you have one single shred of evidence for either claim, post it.

Time to put up or shut up.

[strt]

Mindless speculation.

No one posting here has any idea what his state of mind was, Maybe he had problems in his romantic relationships, maybe he had problems at work, maybe he had problems with his family, maybe he had financial problems, maybe he had medical problems. Maybe he just received some shattering news about a loved one.

Everything BUT possibility that he was right on spot with his research and was killed or manipulated into suicide, eh? Nothing to see here? Should we move on?

[beldazar]

I finished reading David Ickes Infinite Love book last night, he explains about emotions and by that, he means negative emotions.
Any emotion isnt part of infinite consciousness, its part of the Matrix so whether it was suicide or murder, it WASNT RIK!
Im sorry to Rik's mum saying this, as she says he chose to 'go on' he didnt.
The Matrix got him :(

[phonicboom]

The Matrix got him :(

yeah one way or another it did. murdered, manipulated or blown away by a revelation, it all leads to that same conclusion.

[frankanne]

Mindless speculation.

No one posting here has any idea what his state of mind was, Maybe he had problems in his romantic relationships, maybe he had problems at work, maybe he had problems with his family, maybe he had financial problems, maybe he had medical problems. Maybe he just received some shattering news about a loved one.

You know absolutely nothing about the man, any combination of what may even be minor problems is enough to make people feel suicidal. You have not one insight into his state of mind. Take Bridgend and its teenagers for example of seemingly happy people killing themselves, it happens.

"It was murder and thats not his mother!!!"

absolute rubbish, If you have one single shred of evidence for either claim, post it.

Time to put up or shut up.

the evidence that we DO have points to Rik being warned off.

Here's the evidence:

He happily posted on the morning of 13th June 2008 that he would soon be revealing stuff about the music industry.

Later that same day, his blog comes down and Rik goes into hiding.

There are two possibilities here, and it is for us to decide which is more logical.

1. He was warned off and told to destroy all his work, or somehow else he was prevented from continuing his work.

2. That he suddenly went over the edge, wanting to destroy all his work and go into hiding because of some personal problem or other.

You say it is mindless and nonesense and rubbish to suspect that Rik was warned off. Why? Are you unaware of many other prominent truthseekers being threatened? Are you really not aware of that? If you think that David Icke or Alex Jones or Jordan Maxwell are lying when they say they have been threatened, then can you please make this clear in your next post. Thank you.

[simplify]

the evidence that we DO have points to Rik being warned off.

Here's the evidence:

He happily posted on the morning of 13th June 2008 that he would soon be revealing stuff about the music industry.

Later that same day, his blog comes down and Rik goes into hiding.

There are two possibilities here, and it is for us to decide which is more logical.

1. He was warned off and told to destroy all his work, or somehow else he was prevented from continuing his work.

2. That he suddenly went over the edge, wanting to destroy all his work and go into hiding because of some personal problem or other.

You say it is mindless and nonesense and rubbish to suspect that Rik was warned off. Why? Are you unaware of many other prominent truthseekers being threatened? Are you really not aware of that? If you think that David Icke or Alex Jones or Jordan Maxwell are lying when they say they have been threatened, then can you please make this clear in your next post. Thank you.
Frankanne: your wasting you breadth with these individuals who are challenging you on your own understanding & truth of things. Even if you somehow were able to provide truth, they would come up with some other reason to challenge the evidence. Such is the nature of the beast. I believe he was stopped, & his life was deliberately short-circuited. No, I have no proof, but I trust my intuition, which I've had since his blog went down. Trust your intuition folks & ignore the others.....they will always be there to harass & distract from the truth.

[kweli]

Frankanne: your wasting you breadth with these individuals who are challenging you on your own understanding & truth of things. Even if you somehow were able to provide truth, they would come up with some other reason to challenge the evidence. Such is the nature of the beast. I believe he was stopped, & his life was deliberately short-circuited. No, I have no proof, but I trust my intuition, which I've had since his blog went down. Trust your intuition folks & ignore the others.....they will always be there to harass & distract from the truth.

Thank you.. it's posts like yours that give me peace of mind.

Frankanne, has passion and a good heart, of that I'm certain. I also believe in the cause she's supporting here. If there were more folk like her around, then we wouldn't be in such a stinking mess.

[simplify]

Thank you.. it's posts like yours that give me peace of mind.

Frankanne, has passion and a good heart, of that I'm certain. I also believe in the cause she's supporting here. If there were more folk like her around, then we wouldn't be in such a stinking mess.

Thank you kweli, & ditto to your other comments also! It takes courage to stand for the truth & call a spade a spade. Few have that courage.

[lizzy]

yeah one way or another it did. murdered, manipulated or blown away by a revelation, it all leads to that same conclusion.


sad , but could be true I think..

[markstephenson]

It is within the realm of possibility that he was warned of. Im not debating that.

What im debating is the sheer wanton abandon of fact or evidence for statements like "he was murdered, thats not his mother" how does this possibility that he was warned off, translate to eric stating as A FACT "he was murdered"

again i ask you.

Provide one single shred of evidence for this claim.

You can't.

Eric used the entire thread of the cosmicmind thread being down as a total infomercial for his own blog, its clear to see what his vested interest is, call us masons all you want you still do not have ONE SINGLE PIECE of evidence for your wild claims.

[lizzy]

Thank you.. it's posts like yours that give me peace of mind.

Frankanne, has passion and a good heart, of that I'm certain. I also believe in the cause she's supporting here. If there were more folk like her around, then we wouldn't be in such a stinking mess.

A very big "Amen" to that........( and sod the christian / symbolic interpretation, LOL):D

[simplify]

It is within the realm of possibility that he was warned of. Im not debating that.

What im debating is the sheer wanton abandon of fact or evidence for statements like "he was murdered, thats not his mother" how does this possibility that he was warned off, translate to eric stating as A FACT "he was murdered"

again i ask you.

Provide one single shred of evidence for this claim.

You can't.

Eric used the entire thread of the cosmicmind thread being down as a total infomercial for his own blog, its clear to see what his vested interest is, call us masons all you want you still do not have ONE SINGLE PIECE of evidence for your wild claims.

Do you have evidence that he wasn't covertly murdered????? I think not. You provide your evidence...... I find it extremely pompous and arrogant of your type to demand evidence/proof when you offer nothing in return, but your own disinfo. enough said.

[ericdubay]

Awesome posts, Simplify, you rule. Markstephenson, you don't.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[markstephenson]

Do you have evidence that he wasn't covertly murdered????? I think not. You provide your evidence...... I find it extremely pompous and arrogant of your type to demand evidence/proof when you offer nothing in return, but your own disinfo. enough said.

The Burden of proof is not on ME. I am not the one making wild "Murdered" statements.

You want me to prove the official story? Again the burden of proof is not on ME, I didn't create the official story.

The Burden of proof is on the people stating AS FACT "he was murdered, its not his mother" Its words without substance. Provide one shred of evidence for this claim still you have not, and i will wager you will not.

Provide evidence for this wild claim or retract the statement as a fact.

[ericdubay]

This and the other Rik Clay threads are full of evidence pointing towards Rik's murder. That's what these threads are all about, Delphi man! Read them... read Frankanne's timeline, listen to my radio shows on this subject, look at the facts surrounding Rik's death yourself folks and you'll find Rik's "official suicide story" makes as much sense as the 9/11 official story.

As you were Masons. Continue plowing through these threads with your Delphi technique. We're all really impressed here... how you simultaneously ignore evidence while asking for it... what an amazing tactic!

Now tell me I'm off topic, or attacking you, or using Rik's death to boost my blog... or go taddle-tale a moderator on me like you did with PhonicBoom. Pathetic.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[runciter]

This and the other Rik Clay threads are full of evidence pointing towards Rik's murder.


i would call'em clues, not real evidence.

and i think rik did not kill himself.

[simplify]

i would call'em clues, not real evidence.

and i think rik did not kill himself.

runciter: "and i think rik did not kill himself"

Interesting comment, can you please share with us your thoughts on what happened to rik???? I agree with you about the clues btw. There are many and very powerful ones to indicate that his death was not a natural one. IMO if it smells fishy, it most definitely is fishy. Problem is we will probably never find out exactly what happened! The truth is well hidden from the masses. What else is new.

[runciter]

Interesting comment, can you please share with us your thoughts on what happened to rik????


how could i know?

you've said it well:


I agree with you about the clues btw. There are many and very powerful ones to indicate that his death was not a natural one. IMO if it smells fishy, it most definitely is fishy. Problem is we will probably never find out exactly what happened! The truth is well hidden from the masses. What else is new.


i agree completely :)

[simplify]

The Burden of proof is not on ME. I am not the one making wild "Murdered" statements.

You want me to prove the official story? Again the burden of proof is not on ME, I didn't create the official story.

The Burden of proof is on the people stating AS FACT "he was murdered, its not his mother" Its words without substance. Provide one shred of evidence for this claim still you have not, and i will wager you will not.

Provide evidence for this wild claim or retract the statement as a fact.

Marketstephenson: I have never made the statements you quote here. But I'm sure deep down, you know very well that the public will never be told the TRUTH about Rik's death. So we cannot provide to you what is hidden from us. But for all of us who respected Rik's work, & followed the story....its very simple, & you've read Frankanne's layout of what we know to be true. We are left with a conclusion that Rik was somehow deliberately silenced. Its not the first time it has happened, as I'm sure you are aware. One way of showing respect for someone like Rik......is to relentlessly pursue the truth. What else would you expect us do, just sweep the whole thing under the rug?

[phonicboom]

Simplify:

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 111

just for the record as it will no doubt be 112 soon :)

[simplify]

Simplify:

Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 111

just for the record as it will no doubt be 112 soon :)

Yes I hadn't noticed....is this ominous, or some other significance.

[phonicboom]

well it's not 11 or 11:11 so you're ok :)

[simplify]

well it's not 11 or 11:11 so you're ok :)

Whew...I can breath again....:D

[rich157]

It's not 11 11 11 or 11 11:11




Part 1

It's 111 111

or III III which is also iii iii

In the latin alphabet it's 999 999

But in di Vici it's 666 666
-------9-9-9
-------6-6-6


It's just another 666 code. Like the Diamond & the Gemini code.






Part 2


Who is 666 ?

PITCHFORD is 666 (666 is a reference to a birth date, and Pitchford is a special place & person)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6a/ShropshireLoggerhead.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchford

111 111 (on the head of THE GOLDEN LION)



Because...



http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/images/movie/large/Devils_own.jpg

PITT-FORD is THE DEVILS OWN







Rik was waking us up too fast for their liking. That's why the NWO killed him.



But..

Their time is running out.


Veni Vidi Vici...



il y a seulement d'un

μεγαλοφυία





http://philologos.org/bpr/images/arms_bw.jpg

111 ALL OVER THE PLACE !!!

and...


111 is on the horizon !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9wx2NbybXw




I can sense their FEAR but for some reason they cannot sense MINE.

I wonder why that is ???

:D:cool::D;):D

ll

[lizard_monkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXRZlWdYZkg