Questioning William Cooper

[amadeus]

Ciao,

I've been reading William Coopers "Behold a pale horse" and watching his lectures. He seemed like an honest and reliable man, but so far I'm really having a big problem understanding why he believed two things to be true:

1) The JFK shooter was the driver. Yes, I at first was also convinced that the driver turns and then shoots JFK. Watching the clips certainly makes one believe this.But then someone pointed out, that the reflection comes from the man in the passenger seat, leaning backwards. And YES, when you look closely, this is ACTUALLY what's happening.So did W.Cooper get it wrong, or are some of the clips edited making us believe "the passenger leaning back"-theory?

2) He believed the "Alternative 3" documentary by Science Report is genuine. I can't say 100% for sure, but It's in my opinion pretty obvious that the people on the documentary are (lousy) actors. Or does he mean that the story is genuine even though the people are actors...?

So don't get me wrong, I don't claim W.Cooper made things up. I really respect him. And these are just very small details in the monumental work he did. It's just that these small errors(or are they?) in his story eats up the credibility. So please help me understand him better.

-amadeus-

[earthseed]

Here's the thing when you do research a lot of it is misleading. That's why every author who tries to tie it all together is going to have mistakes in their books it can't be helped. But, I applaud anyone who tries to figure out what the heck is going on. The fact that Mr. Cooper was murdered in itself shows that he was saying something true they didn't want being said.

[king]

Ciao,

I've been reading William Coopers "Behold a pale horse" and watching his lectures. He seemed like an honest and reliable man, but so far I'm really having a big problem understanding why he believed two things to be true:

1) The JFK shooter was the driver. Yes, I at first was also convinced that the driver turns and then shoots JFK. Watching the clips certainly makes one believe this.But then someone pointed out, that the reflection comes from the man in the passenger seat, leaning backwards. And YES, when you look closely, this is ACTUALLY what's happening.So did W.Cooper get it wrong, or are some of the clips edited making us believe "the passenger leaning back"-theory?

2) He believed the "Alternative 3" documentary by Science Report is genuine. I can't say 100% for sure, but It's in my opinion pretty obvious that the people on the documentary are (lousy) actors. Or does he mean that the story is genuine even though the people are actors...?

So don't get me wrong, I don't claim W.Cooper made things up. I really respect him. And these are just very small details in the monumental work he did. It's just that these small errors(or are they?) in his story eats up the credibility. So please help me understand him better.

-amadeus-

my understanding is that Cooper was purposely shown UFOs
when he was on his military post.
They wanted to use Cooper to spread the idea of Alien Invasion/ET Agenda.
I believe he was also given papers to support what he already experienced.

But, when he came to the understanding that he was hoodwinked -- he started exposing the scam.

As a consequence, while he was riding his motorcycle "someone" ran him off the road, probably trying to kill him.
in that accident he survived but he lost his leg.
This "incident" did not stop him -- he continued to expose the agenda.
He died in gunfight (supposedly) with a State trooper.
He is probably the # 1 whistle blower of fake alien invasion, he also said that U.S. had "alien U.F.O. technology".

So, some of his older material reflects what he believed at the time.

oh, and instead of spreading crazy B.S. theories and no-solution advices -- he did tell Americans to get armed and fight back.
He even said in one of his radio broadcasts that he has "just sealed his fate by what he just said".
Cooper was a great human being.

[amadeus]

Thanks for discussing this. I believe his work and material could be playing a very significant role in exposing the truth. We need to look closely in to everything he said and wrote, there's a lot to be discovered there I think. As pointed out, when you get researching in a field this enormous it's more than likely that you will be fed disinfo and make a few false assumptions. But for the not awakened average man probably the only "conspiracy stuff" they know about is the JFK-assassination. So it would be really sad if W.Cooper would be remembered in the public eye for someone who had this crazy and false idea about the JFK-assassination.

Apropos, does anybody know where to find these images and books he was showing in his lecture when talking about the Lunar-base? One book was titled "Proceedings of Lunar and Planetary explorations". Pretty amazing stuff there. Wonder what happened to all his material? He obviously had tons of books and stuff at home. Did "the cops" confiscate it, burn it up?

[ngawaka19]

I've been following Williams work since last year and I believed his theory about JFK. What a great man, I just could'nt believe that three days after he did his speech that was recorded on video (google) he was killed in a car accident. I was soooooo not surprised, but I was guttered. I just couldn't believe that a great man like this was rubbed out by those bastards. Scuse the french. I will always remember him and I will always talk about him and show his works. He will, to me, be one of the ground breaking freedom fighters, a true warrior of the truth.

chur william cooper

[ngawaka19]

Jeez I get brassed off with myself, I can't spell to save myself, and my jolly machine won't allow me the spell check for this site, and I forget to put references in for people to follow. Sorry guys, I'll get better at this. If you google william, and just graze the inlets on him you will come across the speech. I'm always rushing off and never have time to do the work. Will try harder. Love to you all. Smile at someone grumpy today. Love and light.

[klinker]

I've had the Pale Horse book for around a year but not yet read it. I will start reading it tonight.

[oneofmany]

What was it??? was he killed in a car accident, or shot by a state trooper??? because I heard the FBI shot him, in his own home because he was telling people that they didn't have to pay federal income tax on his radio station. Now there are three theories about how he died, and I am still not clear on the issue.
1) The JFK shooter was the driver. Yes, I at first was also convinced that the driver turns and then shoots JFK. Watching the clips certainly makes one believe this.But then someone pointed out, that the reflection comes from the man in the passenger seat, leaning backwards. And YES, when you look closely, this is ACTUALLY what's happening.So did W.Cooper get it wrong, or are some of the clips edited making us believe "the passenger leaning back"-theory?Have you seen the real Zapruder film??? It shows you what you want to know. They cut it out of ALL mainstream broadcasts because it CLEARLY shows that the driver turns around and shoots JFK. Why do you think Jackie was in such a hurry to climb over the boot of the car???
2) He believed the "Alternative 3" documentary by Science Report is genuine. I can't say 100% for sure, but It's in my opinion pretty obvious that the people on the documentary are (lousy) actors. Or does he mean that the story is genuine even though the people are actors...?What better way to tell the people that matter what's really going on than by making a "fake documentary" of a real event. You could plaster it on Mainstream TV and claim, like they did that it was an April fools joke. It was, but who's laughing at who??? Did you ever see the Mars Rover footage before NASA canned it on-line??? there was some fascinating things happen on the surface of Mars, that I and thousands of others saw live that they couldn't edit, and were forced to close the webfeed down, for instance, a shadow of something flying overhead of the Rover, was in clear view on more than one occasion, and a birdlike creature flying about was also captured by the webcam. Within hours of this happening, the whole website, mysteriously disappeared, so with things like these happening, and things like Roswell, which in my opinion, would of given the US after research, the ability to reverse engineer a spacecraft to make the alternative 3 flight, what do you believe???

Cooper saw through more bullshit, than most of us will comprehend, so please treat the guy with a little respect, and do your own research into what he said, who knows, it might surprise you.

[teslafire]

The fact that Mr. Cooper was murdered in itself shows that he was saying something true they didn't want being said.

Or by so conspicuosly killing him over tax evasion they set to martyr him and thus immortalize some of the ideas, namely fake ET invasion, that may have been fed to him by disinformation.

[oneofmany]

Or by so conspicuosly killing him over tax evasion they set to martyr him and thus immortalize some of the ideas, namely fake ET invasion, that may have been fed to him by disinformation.Cooper was very meticulous about what he said, and if he didn't have proof, he wouldn't mention what he knew ANYWHERE. So what he said in public, he had documented proof about what he was talking about. so what if the ET invasion is NOT fake? you have to consider the possibility.

[teslafire]

You're right, Cooper was very meticulous about what he said and he stated on numerous occasions that his information may have been fed to him disingenously.

[oneofmany]

You're right, Cooper was very meticulous about what he said and he stated on numerous occasions that his information may have been fed to him disingenously.I agree, but usually he knew it, and gave you the warning. It puts you in two minds sometimes don't it?

[teslafire]

I agree, but usually he knew it, and gave you the warning. It puts you in two minds sometimes don't it?

His mystery school expose is corroborated by several others.

The fake ET invasion is corroborated by former Nazi and Nasa head Werner Von Braun and two out of date intelligence projects named Bluebeam and Greenstar whose crafty intentions were made available to the public thanks to the military's self-effacing nature.

:p

[john white]

Ciao,

I've been reading William Coopers "Behold a pale horse" and watching his lectures. He seemed like an honest and reliable man, but so far I'm really having a big problem understanding why he believed two things to be true:

1) The JFK shooter was the driver. Yes, I at first was also convinced that the driver turns and then shoots JFK. Watching the clips certainly makes one believe this.But then someone pointed out, that the reflection comes from the man in the passenger seat, leaning backwards. And YES, when you look closely, this is ACTUALLY what's happening.So did W.Cooper get it wrong, or are some of the clips edited making us believe "the passenger leaning back"-theory?


Hard to say. At the end of the day, all that any of us have is our opinion that what we believe we interpret is objectively the truth. There are arguments that the entire Zapruder film was a very carefully crafted forgery. I respect Coopers opinion, and do consider it possible that his interpetation of the drivers action is correct: even so, that doesnt make the driver the only shooter, (cos he can't be) so "Kennedy shot by his driver" is in itself only a half truth


2) He believed the "Alternative 3" documentary by Science Report is genuine. I can't say 100% for sure, but It's in my opinion pretty obvious that the people on the documentary are (lousy) actors. Or does he mean that the story is genuine even though the people are actors...?

Definately the second. Whether a well meaning attempt at exposure or deliberate disinformation, well who knows. The second ice age hasnt started though!

So don't get me wrong, I don't claim W.Cooper made things up. I really respect him. And these are just very small details in the monumental work he did. It's just that these small errors(or are they?) in his story eats up the credibility. So please help me understand him better.

Expect no more of any conspiracy researcher than you expect of yourself and this should never be a problem. And I'd like to state most vigerously that it is a fact that near the end of his life Cooper totally rejected the alien scenario as conintelpro he had been fed. Was that becuase he was getting too close to exposing the mystery schools? Well theres an intreguing thought, becuase the work on exposing masonry is amongst the best there has ever been

[edelweiss pirate]

Hi John do you have a link or anything on his work exposing masonry?

Didn't Cooper advocate armed resistance?

If so I don't go along with him there...

[cleft_asunder]

I watched the Zapruder film after reading about it in Pale Horse. I thought what I would see would be difinitive and obvious proof of a second shooter. After I watched it, I was extremely dissapointed that people actually think this footage says anything at all. That "object" does NOT look like a pistol. And I'm a gunsmith telling you this. (Not that it makes me some authority figure) Why was Cooper focusing on this aspect of the Zaprunder film any way? If you watch the below documentary, you will be convinced that the whole film was edited, and not well.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6264396057713515921&q=Zapruder&total=239&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

[john white]

Hi John do you have a link or anything on his work exposing masonry?

Didn't Cooper advocate armed resistance?

If so I don't go along with him there...

Not specifically, but a general search is productive:

william cooper mystery babylon - Google Search

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=william+cooper&num=10&so=0&start=0

Everything on google vid is aliens related (interesting!): I rember there being stacks on the con cen tracker though

Failing that, track down Ciggy becuase he's a serious Cooper affectionado

[john white]

I found this great documentary about Bill's work, made by his collegues, that fully explores the circumstances of his death at the hands of the state on November 5th 2001

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6634230857737966110&q=william+cooper&total=273&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

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Be active or abdicate.
The future is in your hands.

Bill Cooper

[kasalt]

William Cooper summarized his final views on UFOs in the following article:

http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm


Also, William Cooper's "William Greer shot Kennedy" theory is ruthlessly debunked here:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

WARNING:
Video contains profanity.

[celtic isis]

my understanding is that Cooper was purposely shown UFOs
when he was on his military post.
They wanted to use Cooper to spread the idea of Alien Invasion/ET Agenda.
I believe he was also given papers to support what he already experienced.

But, when he came to the understanding that he was hoodwinked -- he started exposing the scam.

As a consequence, while he was riding his motorcycle "someone" ran him off the road, probably trying to kill him.
in that accident he survived but he lost his leg.
This "incident" did not stop him -- he continued to expose the agenda.
He died in gunfight (supposedly) with a State trooper.
He is probably the # 1 whistle blower of fake alien invasion, he also said that U.S. had "alien U.F.O. technology".

So, some of his older material reflects what he believed at the time.

oh, and instead of spreading crazy B.S. theories and no-solution advices -- he did tell Americans to get armed and fight back.
He even said in one of his radio broadcasts that he has "just sealed his fate by what he just said".
Cooper was a great human being.

here here :) you're exactly right there king as is john white...thanks for starting this thread amadeus :D

Reading pale horse was how i found about about the whole NWO etc etc.

I would be more for Cooper than i would be for Icke, i must admit...you're right, he did have to take back alot of what he believed to be true regarding the alien stuff...i guess they knew cooper was a man of truth so if they deliberately fed him some disinformation they knew he'd spread it, unknowingly...all the same he was damn right about the whole NWO, bilderberg etc etc agenda and secret societies influence and expanding web throughout the entire world...there were a few things i really thought he was over exaggerating on, reagarding the cult of the all seeing eye and that it relates to Satanism...and well now i know he was damn right!

Cooper did want people to wake up first and foremost and take responsibility for ourselves, then second he did agree with armed resisitance and in fairness, this is what it will take. We can't 'love' the NWO out of existance, humanity is too braindead and stupid for that. Cooper even had an underground militia organised to beat the NWO...

Cooper was a true hero. and like, where is he now? Dead, he's been silenced, he can do no more. :mad: That says a lot.

BTW anyone who wants to get his book for free you can download at the link in my signature. :)

[ngawaka19]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=672428451751234223

this is 1 of 5, the other 4 are on this sight. Enjoy

Bill Deagle helps to explain alot. Has anyone else seen these?

[intruder]

I came across William Cooper about 15 years ago. The last time I called his radio show, approx. 5 months before his murder, he ruthlessly attacked my suggestion that there are "chemtrails". His reaction, let me call that an OVER REACTION was disturbing. He was "right" about alot of things, he was also completely WRONG on some topics. He certainly had an ability to empower his audience, and no doubt alot of people were inspired by his passion for the "truth".