When will you people Wake up?

[oiram]

When will you people Wake up?

Please just put you're self mentally into the position to have all the power over all the Economy, all natural resources on this earth and you have an infinitive amount of money available which would never end as long the earth will exist!

Now what would you do; yes you not others?
Would you distribute it to all & everyone equally ore would you be discriminative to any country person regardless of status or color .... etc?

Now if you worked this one out you have all the answers what is wrong with our system, who is running it, why you are paying tax, getting kicked out of your house, why the Police and system is intimidating you every day, why you don't have your dream job you always liked to do, why people die for absolute nothing then just egoisms, jealousy, greed, racist thinking & the power hunger over other individuals!

But after you worked out this one & you also one of the ones discriminating anyone on this earth for what ever reason you also one more person to be put on the list of criminals in this world!

If I have this power all this shit would stop in a matter of one year and I will get a 90% approval rating from the world's population!

I am not joking & very serious with this!
Work this one out for your self then you know how very simple it is to solve everything; but forget what you learned and got indoctrinated with in school!

Don't tell me I am a Idiot, Nuts, or a moron because I am absolutely not; if you still presume that I am then I say you are the one which deserves this title! You will say it's impossible and I tell you it's NOT and it's all up to you to make this decision!
But do you even like to know how it could be achieved that's one more key question you have to ask your self!

For me to have this knowledge and I do & I'm very confident about it I will always be in control of this knowledge above you no matter what education title you are holding!

Like the saying goes who has the knowledge has the power; but it depends on what you do with the knowledge to get respected!

Work it out!
If I was able to find the answer; means I know that you also can if you try! Ones you found this knowledge we talk again!
Then you have to tell me what you found & I will confirm if your are correct or close to it what I know & understand now!

Note:
Please! I am not looking for arguments; I talk about understanding something & a consequent solution scenario!
The entire point I make is about self realisation!
You need at least an IQ of minimum of 100 points!
You have to be a very logical thinker!
Also you have to be absolutely opened minded and absolutely none discriminative!
If you don't have this quality's don't even try because I know you can not find the answer to my question!

Also I predict that I will not get many answers because my knowledge at present can not be found on the Internet because it's just a jungle of confusion and over information!

[notthisshitagain]

When will you people Wake up?

Please just put you're self mentally into the position to have all the power over all the Economy, all natural resources on this earth and you have an infinitive amount of money available which would never end as long the earth will exist!

Now what would you do; yes you not others?
Would you distribute it to all & everyone equally ore would you be discriminative to any country person regardless of status or color .... etc?

Now if you worked this one out you have all the answers what is wrong with our system, who is running it, why you are paying tax, getting kicked out of your house, why the Police and system is intimidating you every day, why you don't have your dream job you always liked to do, why people die for absolute nothing then just egoisms, jealousy, greed, racist thinking & the power hunger over other individuals!

But after you worked out this one & you also one of the ones discriminating anyone on this earth for what ever reason you also one more person to be put on the list of criminals in this world!

If I have this power all this shit would stop in a matter of one year and I will get a 90% approval rating from the world's population!

I am not joking & very serious with this!
Work this one out for your self then you know how very simple it is to solve everything; but forget what you learned and got indoctrinated with in school!

Don't tell me I am a Idiot, Nuts, or a moron because I am absolutely not; if you still presume that I am then I say you are the one which deserves this title! You will say it's impossible and I tell you it's NOT and it's all up to you to make this decision!
But do you even like to know how it could be achieved that's one more key question you have to ask your self!

For me to have this knowledge and I do & I'm very confident about it I will always be in control of this knowledge above you no matter what education title you are holding!

Like the saying goes who has the knowledge has the power; but it depends on what you do with the knowledge to get respected!

Work it out!
If I was able to find the answer; means I know that you also can if you try! Ones you found this knowledge we talk again!
Then you have to tell me what you found & I will confirm if your are correct or close to it what I know & understand now!

Note:
You need at least an IQ of minimum of 100 points!
You have to be a very logical thinker!
Also you have to be absolutely opened minded and absolutely none discriminative!
If you don't have this quality's don't even try because I know you can not find the answer to my question!

Hmm, does that mean that intuition does not work?

[diamondgeezer]

;)Oh I'm awake all right, don't you worry. Quite on top of whats going on here, oh yes indeedy..

I'm not going to judge you or anyone else to be an idiot/nuts whatever without good reason, because that would be wrong. If I stick around with you for a while and you do turn out to be a dick, don't worry I'll clock it lol...

THE most important truth I ever learned was the realisation that <close family apart>, it really doesn't matter what other people thought of me, Its how I feel about me that matters:)

[deafbred]

:) heh heh you guys are funny

[oiram]

Hmm, does that mean that intuition does not work?Because the word intuition has so many meanings you may end up going in circles again!
On the other hand if you mean this then yes it is very important to find the truth of things!
Intuition (knowledge) - understanding without apparent effort, quick and ready insight seemingly independent of previous experiences or empirical knowledge.
Intuition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[notthisshitagain]

Well, whenever I use my intuition, I don't use it "blindly" ... what I mean is that I use it and I also observe what's happening... so.. am I still probably going in circles? :p

[oiram]

:) heh heh you guys are funnyI am not playing with anyone here! This is very serious because ones your penny drops you will say why did I not see the reality before!

I tell you why because our system is exactly controlling this self realisation so we don't find the truth about our reality! Also it means the Elite will lose there power over every Human on this earth ones we have this knowledge!

Yes it also means that enough people have to get to the same conclusion to have an impact! That's what I am testing here!

[oiram]

Well, whenever I use my intuition, I don't use it "blindly" ... what I mean is that I use it and I also observe what's happening... so.. am I still probably going in circles? :pI only reacted to your first post comment not telling you that you are going in circles because it is hard to know which definition you where using when you answered to my post!

I like to find out if anyone got to the point of realisation regarding my question in my startup thread!

[diamondgeezer]

No-one is going in circles if they know whats going on, plus the nouse to explore what the possibilities are.

For example, when has the bank ever refused you a loan at the competitive %APR you REALLY wanted, or even worse just refused you a loan full-stop eh?

I'll tell you when: WHEN THE FUCKERS THINK/KNOW THAT YOU REALLY NEED IT!!!

;)Show em you DON'T need it, and you'll be beating em of with the preverbial stick. Easy done......

[oiram]

Here is something you may like to get into and try to work out what they are doing and what they could do if they would be normal thinking people and not just presenting a control & manipulation force!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply#Convention

Now this people have the power to turn everything into the right direction but why don't they?

Now think if you would have this control and what way would you go the correct way in the name of Humanity or would you just take over to be a controller of power again!

[legendary]

sounds a lot like you're describing yourself as what Nietzsche an 'ubermensch'. Powerful idea but it can lead to dangerous things

what about the 1 law that you cannot impose your will upon another human? only if you imposed your will upon somebody else through for example rape, murder or theft would you be removed from the society (allowed to roam and form your own society or live as an outcast rather than being imprisoned) this allows for limitless possibility without petty politicians creating and enforcing petty laws, and dividing society. forcing the people to finance wars and manipulation through forced taxation, and impoverishing the world through the banking system and their aggressive money making tactics. if you have this 1 law and this law is fixed why would you need a politician? the law is clear and people would be willing to enforce it, so long as it is not taken to the extreme of it's possible application, as the police seem to do now with certain legislation. however, for this to work, there would have to be a change in the 'worker drone' mind state people seem to adopt now, whereby when we are young we should have some fun and prepare for a job. when we become more mature we are told to find a job for the next 40 years of our life, whereby every day we must work to provide food and cars and fancy televisions. whilst this would most probably continue, and there are many benefits to be gained from the results of this style of life, i feel that by lessening the dependancy upon currency and increasing goodwill and co-operation between equals, the idea of richness/poverty and divisions over race/clothing/personality will be less important, as there would be less focus on and dire need of money and a genuine ability for a person to do as they wish

[size_of_light]

I like to find out if anyone got to the point of realisation regarding my question in my startup thread!

I didn't. And I still don't understand what you're asking.

[mynameis]

I will wake up when more to others is redundant or world war, which ever comes first.

[oiram]

For example, when has the bank ever refused you a loan at the competitive %APR you REALLY wanted, or even worse just refused you a loan full-stop eh?
I'll tell you when: WHEN THE FUCKERS THINK/KNOW THAT YOU REALLY NEED IT!!!
That's good you are on the subject! Now my question is why do they charge you any %APR for a Loan if you are using it to create something which will turn into an asset for you and all others in a way depends on what you planned to create from a loan you receive for a practical object!
Also why would they make it difficult for you to obtain the loan which is only paper or numbers on a computer screen which could turn into a house because of your effort and others building the place!

or even worse just refused you a loan full-stop eh?
I'll tell you when: WHEN THE FUCKERS THINK/KNOW THAT YOU REALLY NEED IT!!!= ( KEY POINT QUESTION: that's EXACTLY right Why?? and for what logical reasons!)

[oiram]

I will wake up when more to others is redundant or world war, which ever comes first.Yes what you say is right something got to be made redundant! But why would WE OR ANYONE ELSE be so dumb to allow to have a War and destroy assets we have already established!

So what would be needed to implement things in a constructive none destructive and logical way! Which you surly like to be a part of!

Something got to be made redundant= (KEY QUESTION: WHAT OR WHO?)
Why would WE OR ANYONE ELSE be so dumb to allow to have a War and destroy assets we have already established! = (KEY QUESTION: WHY AND FOR WHAT LOGICAL REASON IF ALLOWED OR ORGANISED?)

[oiram]

I didn't. And I still don't understand what you're asking.You see "diamondgeezer" touched the correct subject after his second post!
And yes all our problems we have is all about money, the correct way of distribution, who is distributing it and why they are restricting it to be obtained easily!

[size_of_light]

You see "diamondgeezer" touched the correct subject after his second post!
And yes all our problems we have is all about money, the correct way of distribution, who is distributing it and why they are restricting it to be obtained easily!

The money system is a scam, yes.

[oiram]

The money system is a scam, yes.That's correct and to what extreme extend!

The money system is a scam = (KEY QUESTION: CREATE FOR WHOM, CONTROLLED BY WHOM AND WHY THEY DO SO AND DON'T CHANGE IT?)

Also why don't we ever get a chance to have any influence of any type or form = (KEY QUESTION: WHY AND WHO CONTROLS IT; AND STOPS us TO HAVE A SAYING OVER OUR OWN MONEY WE FEED INTO THE SYSTEM ON A DAILY BASES?)

[deafbred]

if you try to escape the camp you will be shot

...the world is one big camp

there's no where to go physically.

..im at peace knowing every one is going to get what each deserves

if you got great sadness, laughter is going to be given you, great JOY

if you have pride, you will be humbled



theres nothing to worry about

this ENTIRE world is passing away

and everything in it

if you love the world and the things of the world, you don't got a fearless love. What is love with fear? Love casts out fear. Don't you know that every one was loved who died in the past. That that same love is keeping you alive right now.

all of us who are of love abide in it and joyfully recognize it's inevitable gift and justice.

that no matter what happens to your world you see before you now, that there is a certian eternal aspect of this 'experience' that will never pass away.

it's like a bulb of a flower plant that is planted in the ground. when winter arrives and the bloom falls to the ground. that ROOT, bulb, in the ground will regrow into a new flower experience of your eternal source seeded along the path of fertile ground.

your root is strong and will survive a deadly winter. your bloom will be great and even greater once again.

just because a weak tree with rotten branches and hollowed out core falls apon your flower and casts it down, doesn't mean your not going to rise again.

the tree that fell, its roots, were uprooted, and the tree will never grow again.

the season you shall rise will be a season of trees and blooms tha will never again face the impending evil and dimise of what was destine to fall.

these ways of this world the currently of the way it is, is going to pass away

except that the eternal things will never pass away a second time. the eternal things will rise AGAIN because they are eternal. The DEAD that died once will DIE a SECOND time because while living it was BORN of DECAY, endlessly rotten and destroying things that were of value.

either way...endlessness is what is going to be the result. it can be DEATH forever or life never fading.

endless sorrow, or endless happiness

it all makes sense in the PEACE of the NOW your mind shall be free of doubt and worry. what do you have to fear.. love always was and always is, just because minds don't realize that and do the actions they detrimently do, doesn't mean love is not there.

it just means, what it means, in the meanings of their doings, its either meaningless or full of meaning.

it shows both ways the sides of the puzzle, that love is all there is between us or a void that we fill up with all kinds of empty things.

imagine, every hair on your head is accounted for, even the ones that fell out. every cell in your body signifigantly connected to the rest and for reasons.

just because we can't see the BIG picture of it all doesn't mean there isn't a big picture.

Just because people would throw us into gas chambers doesn't mean love is not there waiting for us all in the distance of our unknowing.

when we reach love, will we be punished or will we approach with joy in our hearts?

love casts out fear
love knows no fear
to fear is to expect to be punished
the LoVE which is at the center of all things, does not wish to punish us
Love perfected contains no FEAR or doubt
confidence is all there is, joy, happiness, life abundant

so let us not fear, we have nothing to fear, the joke isn't on you, its on them
they laugh now
but remember, our sadness will be turned to joy, their discontent to shame


there is a sense to these reasons as an example of the justice of Love that render verdicts in the true end of all things to an outcome of potential that is either absolved, or disolved.

PEACE is all that remains, either way, for the ONES who walk in it NOW. though you may be tormented presently for what ever reasons, other aspects of you will set you free even from yourself. (remember the good life raft lily pads of salvation that keep your head above water.)

the PEACE BREAKERS will get what they deserve, and by no means of my own, but simply by the works that their hands shown guilt of.

[legendary]

That's correct and to what extreme extend!

The money system is a scam = (KEY QUESTION CREATE FOR WHOM AND WHY THEY DO SO AND DON'T CHANGE IT?)
they don't change it because the last 2 people who tried were both assasinated

(KEY QUESTION WHY AND WHO CONTROLS IT; AND STOPS us TO HAVE A SAYING OVER OUR OWN MONEY WE FEED INTO IT ON A DAILY BASES?)[/COLOR] that's the funny thing though. you say we feed it in, but that's not strictly true. yes, we open an account and store however much we have in there and then we can go to the ATM and see a nice comforting balance, before withdrawing £30 and being on our merry way, but it's when confidence in a bank collapses that you see their scam. when you hear your bank is going bankrupt, the logical thing to do is to withdraw your savings right? but how is the bank going bankrupt if millions of people all have thousands of pounds stored there? this is because they encourage bankers to make high risk investments which are profitable in the short term, but disastrous in the long run, and how do they manage this? BONUSES. even the lowest paid bankers in some top city firms receive bonuses of £50-£100,000 a year, with the highest paid receiving as much as £10,000,000 a year in bonuses, on top of an already large, often 6 or 7 figure salary. but how does this encourage risky investments? Answer.. they are given on a yearly basis, meaning they will often make high risk investments, which a few months down the line are disastrous, but by then the bonus has been given and it will not be retracted, and investments made in the previous year will not affect the next years bonus. so going back to people trying to withdraw money that the bank have spent already. because the government receive massive funding from these banks, and in order to maintain confidence in the economy, they have to bail the bank out by handing over say £500,000,000, so that the people can withdraw their money and be happy again. now, this £500,000,000 doesn't come from nowhere, in fact it comes from the taxpayer, who also pay off interest on government loans from other countries, meaning that we are faced with a deficit of £500,000,000 in funds for the next financial year, leading to budget cuts, wage reductions, redundancy, closures, rising prices of goods and rising food prices. so to get out of this, they will look to another country such as America to loan us back that money at interest, which then has to be paid off over the years to come, leading to a state of perpetual debt and rising taxation and those responsible, far from being held to account for this are simply given a pay raise and a juicy bonus at the end of every year

[lemonique]

Very nice post Deafbred!! Thanks. :)

Lemonique

[loki]

basicly if i had all the power and assuming u said i have infinite money means that u want money to be used in the subject

i would just make a comunal earth tresury ... where any human could access anything they wanted at any particular time ..... with no attachments ... basicly making the concept of money usless because no one would ever have more then anyone else it would be a comunal pot of unendingness, and if i had all the natural resourses i wanted i would basicly build machines to do everything that us humans now do ....

as for dream jobs ... pffft humans arnt put on the earth to work there whole lives .... you are here to experiance life ... and i dont know how working for someone else will achive anything .... and no matter how high u think u are up in a company or even the owner u still technically work for someone else or answer to someone else

everything would be given to the people born to this planet .... no one should have to pay to live on a planet they were born to if people wanted to find out things through science or whatever they would have free range to do so

so that would reduse world crime by a huge amount ... just removing the money factor .... but then ull have emotional crimes ... like some one sleeping with ur gf or whatever ... not quite sure what kind of policy i would have on such things as of yet .... maybe some kind of eye for an eye policy ... i dunno ... i guess if u coyld remeove all violence from society .. that would be a start ... like how would a child learn to hit someone if he never seen some one be hit before ... i dunno yet... still working on it

also a system of people all working together so that money is completely obsolete like everyone does certain jobs at certain ages ... like when ur you know like 14-15 you work in food production .. then after 2-3 years you do engineering and science then after another 2-3 years you do somthing else, or u get multipul fields at certain ages to choose from that u would like to do ... and so on and so forth and as a reward for participating everything u get is free because we all worked together for humanity to survive ... this would in turn help us to evolve as a species as well as we would all have alot of knowlede about everything that everyone else does .... and we would know about everything i guess ... no secrets would be another great start

one of my main points is that money needs to some how be removed from society that would be the biggest start to anything i think

[legendary]

yes the tricky part comes when you try to remove the monetary and working system, and yet maintain the luxuries with which we live today. i agree, people shouldn't have to pay to eat, but in that case, they would need to grow their own food and prepare it, which is the luxury which they are willing to pay for. but what about the person making televisions in a factory? he needs to eat too. would he not then trade the television for some food? but once the farmer has a television he won't need another one. and what happens if you want to build a farm to produce food? how will you pay to build the farm unless you construct it yourself, but this would take a long time. the other solutions would be to impose your will upon people by forcing them to work as a farmer for a while, lawyer some other time. but then you need somebody controlling the jobs which leads to potential for corruption, as happened with the ideals of communism and anarchism. the other solution is to surrender the luxuries with which we live today, but many people would argue that working for their luxuries is better. that's why i argued that the only law should be that you cannot impose your will upon others. if you wish to live off the land then you can, if you wish to form a small community without basing it upon money that is also possible, but if you still wish to work for money you can also do so, or even do a mix of the two, so for example you would work for a month or two of the year so that you can purchase luxuries such as a tv and pay for electricity, etc, but at the same time if you have a supportive community, you could all contribute to growing food for the other 10 months of the year

[size_of_light]

Participatory Economy (or Parecon for short) looks like a good model.

Parecon seeks to fulfill four key values: solidarity, diversity, equity, and self management.

Check it out if you're interested.

http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/17254

[loki]

yeah it would deff need to be a system where we all work for the same goal rather then trying to compete with one another to achive a higher result then someone else

[vladmir]

There are some really far-out ideas in this thread, but they totally make sense!
If this is the innovative way our new generation is now thinking, then the illuminati or whatever has no chance!!

[oiram]

if you try to escape the camp you will be shot
...the world is one big camp
there's no where to go physically.
..im at peace knowing every one is going to get what each deserves
if you got great sadness, laughter is going to be given you, great JOY
if you have pride, you will be humbled
theres nothing to worry about
Don't worry I know that I have been born into one big prison camp and the Worden's start to get into my nose!
Why should I have to worry to get shot your are pointing out the Elites fear mongering theory! Yes we all know about there business!

Also I looked into your theory and came to my personal & final conclusion; now I move on to get into the next evolutionary stage, many subjects I had to get into to find the truth in a way they are all connected! For me I like a bit of order in my thinking process; I search for one Item I like to know the truth about; then I make a summery come to my conclusion finalise it and file it in my brain, then move on & pick my next Item and don't look back to my finished item; otherwise I will confuse my self!

Here is my summery thread talking about points you are making :http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34528

[oiram]

There are some really far-out ideas in this thread, but they totally make sense!
If this is the innovative way our new generation is now thinking, then the illuminati or whatever has no chance!!
Then the Illuminati or whatever has no chance!! = Yes BUT and ONLY if we are all going, thinking in the same direction and supporting each other by what ever means available to the individual! What we do here is already waking up millions & no force because people got to make there own minds but logic and truth will always I repeat always defeat evil!
Talk to your Families
Talk to your Friends
Talk to your Neighbour
Talk to anyone who is interested in the Truth!

Now this is what I like to hear because this means people start to find the truth get confident and lose all fear toward the evil doers!
Also you find ones you know enough of the truth; everything the Elite presents to you looks like an open book and less and less is hidden!
And yes the Elite masters are so cunning & scrupulous and stick there dirty plans right into your face but you got to be able to read between the lines of every TV program; even children Programs have this hidden stuff integrated! You can test it & evaluate this for your self just look at events happening now and go back one and even two years ago and try to remember movies they showed you; yes they already prepared you mentally sociologically for todays events; but you did not realised it then!

Look at the programs for the last year only War, War, Wars blood and guts even over Christmas time you remember? ; so what you think why this is so? because one is fear mongering and one is to prepare you for there preplanned war sociologically!
But now here is the KEY POINT if you don't react stand down and fall for & follow there propaganda they will not succeed with there plans!

KEY POINT: Because they are nobodies without you and your support! Yes it is this simple!! Stand down and they lost in space! Also us you know very well they will never ever send there own kids to War " KEY POINT: WHY NOT WHY ALWAYS YOUR CHILDREN IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM? YEH RIGHT FREEDOM BY FORCE WHAT A FREAKING ILLOGICAL BOLOK!

YOU TRY THIS IT'S GOOD FUN TO FIND THE LIES AND HIDDEN STUFF! IF YOU UNDERSTAND ENOUGH OF THE TRUTH YOU WILL FIND IT!

When I look MSM now I only read between the lines to find the hidden stuff and I don't get effected by there propaganda! But what they show you is a part of there future plans & events in hidden form and in revers sociology!
But people which don't like to see or not interested in the real Truth will naturally not see it and get sociologically hooked to there propaganda!

Thank you for your supporting comment because this also gives me confidence!
Every small confirmation is like one more Battle over! This is what I call reincarnation not fiscally but mentally!

Finding the Truth is the reincarnation of soul & Love & brings our God conscience ="& the real God" back to life!
YOU LIKE TO FIND YOUR REAL JESUS THEN KEEP SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH & YOU WILL SEE HIM!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34528

[oiram]

Summery: Key Points may update this when new point come up!

Could they make money available as much is required “could you if you would be there position?” = (KEY QUESTION: IF YES WHY DON’T THEY AND FOR WHAT LOGICAL REASON)

Would it represent any problem for you or them; to give someone the FINANCES for example building a house for his own family? = (KEY QUESTION: WOULD IT? THE PERSON IS IN REALITY CREATING AN ASSET FOR THE COUNTRY OF RESIDENCE)

So if everyone would like to build a house why not just give him the financing without interest on the nominal; its just paper you receiving or numbers on a computer screen “right?” which will turning into an assets for the entire country? (KEY QUESTION: WHY COULD THIS NOT BE MADE REALITY? WHAT LOGICAL SPEAKS AGAINST IT)

KEY POINT: Because they are nobodies without you and your support! Yes it is this simple!! Stand down and they lost in space! Also us you know very well they will never ever send there own kids to War " (KEY POINT: WHY NOT WHY ALWAYS YOUR CHILDREN IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM? YEH RIGHT FREEDOM BY FORCE WHAT A FREAKING ILLOGICAL BOLOK!)


My Dream!
Or maybe even the Future? It’s all up to you; yes all of you and together because I am the same us you; not anywhere below or above anyone!

Very basic to give a Hint of my thinking!

If I have the money press & computer under my control I would give you any amount you require as long you use it to create a new asset for your self; or public support use and automatically it’s for all to see or use!
KEY POINT ONLY BASIC: The only conditions I give don’t use the money for buying drugs, for any type of corruption or miss use it to create any type of any inhuman behavior!

All this would cost me to ether switch on the money press or some keystrokes on a computer! And there you go you can start your dream project ...... “Next": how much do you need for your bakery 100,000$ no problem but please follow these basic rules which are for all People the same OK! .... “Next” !
So YOU SEE I am only supplying the finances what did I lose? In my view absolutely nothing “did you lose anything?” people will have work for ever and we are creating assets on a daily bases!

Ok we need a Water treatment plant no problem same system! Ok we need a new Hospital no problem we check it out if there are not enough Hospitals in the area then we let you know!

Taxes what for! Not needed at all because I supply the money required for the creation of assets!
So if there is one shopping center in one area already to supply the population satisfactorily in the area why build one more is not logic! Just double check & ask the public living in the area if they believe it’s adequate problem solved!

KEY POINT: One more rule for all IF you or anyone plays corruption games of any form or type no question small or major only one penalty death no jail! You & all know the rules there should be a clear understanding for eternity no more discrimination!

This is a very, very short version but basically it; and can be expended as needed!

My View: all laws from the past got to be burned and recreated by all; no more discrimination! Then we call them BASIC RULES OF HUMAN UNDERSTANDING! The old Law was and now is history!

All and every Rule should be short and to the point and for everyone the same; even a idiot got to be able to understand any Rule created! Basic Human Rules creation by whom?
I believe it got to be a joint venture & accepted by all no way around! KEY POINT: Public Referendum for all and every new rule added!

But not to many details now; I only present my theory in basic form!

But I know poverty after a period of time will be absolutely history with my idea!

Oooh! I forgot all Hospital treatment and medication is free for all! Any costs for Doctors facility's equipment costs will be covert from the same central money supply center!
One more no more inflation ore deflation of any products Fixed price for all just check the unit Price on the Internet updated daily if any new products get on the market! No interest no loan interest!
Wall-street the gambling hole not needed anymore will get turned into a museum!
My Personal KEY POINT: My transportation will run on Hydrogen combined with Electric motor! Yes cooked Water! Pollution only Water again! Maximum development funds to be injected into the development of hydrogen, wind energy, solar, wave generators, currant generators & thermal energy from Volcano's in particularly!
O..h shit I forgot all weapons will be destroyed and Equipment which can be modified gets used for practical things and the commen good!

Does this sound nice? Yes and it can be reality tomorrow if most of us just wake up and steer in the same direction!
Not possible what are you talking about it's all up to you and all of us!

You think this is a dream not really think about it long enough and it will be reality!

Welcome to logic & reality!
Because truth is reality not a Dream!

We need Ideas & Solutions not destruction!
Don't create Wars; create Love & Assets!

[oiram]

yes the tricky part comes when you try to remove the monetary and working system, and yet maintain the luxuries with which we live today. i agree, people shouldn't have to pay to eat, but in that case, they would need to grow their own food and prepare it, which is the luxury which they are willing to pay for. but what about the person making televisions in a factory? he needs to eat too. would he not then trade the television for some food? but once the farmer has a television he won't need another one. and what happens if you want to build a farm to produce food? how will you pay to build the farm unless you construct it yourself, but this would take a long time. the other solutions would be to impose your will upon people by forcing them to work as a farmer for a while, lawyer some other time. but then you need somebody controlling the jobs which leads to potential for corruption, as happened with the ideals of communism and anarchism. the other solution is to surrender the luxuries with which we live today, but many people would argue that working for their luxuries is better. that's why i argued that the only law should be that you cannot impose your will upon others. if you wish to live off the land then you can, if you wish to form a small community without basing it upon money that is also possible, but if you still wish to work for money you can also do so, or even do a mix of the two, so for example you would work for a month or two of the year so that you can purchase luxuries such as a tv and pay for electricity, etc, but at the same time if you have a supportive community, you could all contribute to growing food for the other 10 months of the yearYou see you also have some ideas! Not one man ever can do this alone!
Now this was only you making points now combine them with some of main ideas above and here we go 100 more good people much smarter & better then us will get something together; then they take all the most compelling ideas together; there comes a concept solution packetch and so on ..... 100 or thousand good heads can move mountain's you know!

Communism? Democratic? SORRY I SAY SAME SHIT ONLY DIFFERENT COLOR????? only one more tool of the Illuminati!
HINT!
YOU ALWAYS GOT TO HAVE TWO OPPOSITIONS TO PLAY THE GAME THEY PLAY WITH us ALL! Don't let them blind you; Satan is the master of deception! Who owns the central Bank you may ask Putan he knows???/= My View same good family of the ones running the show now!
All it is you don't know yet why because there Propaganda is good! But wait a bit longer and the Truth will solve this riddle also! Not everything on one Day! Rome did not got build in one day but it burned to the Ground in one Day? Maybe two? :D

[oiram]

that's the funny thing though. you say we feed it in, but that's not strictly true. yes, we open an account and store however much we have in there and then we can go to the ATM and see a nice comforting balance, before withdrawing £30 and being on our merry way, but it's when confidence in a bank collapses that you see their scam. when you hear your bank is going bankrupt, the logical thing to do is to withdraw your savings right? but how is the bank going bankrupt if millions of people all have thousands of pounds stored there? this is because they encourage bankers to make high risk investments which are profitable in the short term, but disastrous in the long run, and how do they manage this? BONUSES.
Just look at this and you will see the monopoly they have created for them self! Mind blowing!
Also KEY POINT WHO OWNS THE GAME: In reality your money is never lost ever but that's what is all about a game to death they play with us all! People are 100% CORRECT in saying this is all just an illusion!

I say every top Leader world wide knows the Game and gets big bucks to keep the secret; the ones with can not keep it always end up 6 feet under; thats the Deal for fame! They always targeting us to keep there monopoly status that's the game just give them enough to serve us!
Just a great big scam and game for them to control Humans all over the world! Same families I say no I am sure but this may get solved soon!

Also what I can see is that all our Governments are 100% involved in this game and if not directly they guilty by association what ever comes first!
Money is man made paper and numbers on a computer screen; the problem is the ones who control the distribution and are sick corrupter's of the highest form!
Anyone looks for Antichrist you may look at it right here in the chart!
Look here: Hoooooouuuu...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply#Convention

[oiram]

basicly if i had all the power and assuming u said i have infinite money means that u want money to be used in the subject

i would just make a comunal earth tresury ... where any human could access anything they wanted at any particular time ..... with no attachments ... basicly making the concept of money usless because no one would ever have more then anyone else it would be a comunal pot of unendingness, and if i had all the natural resourses i wanted i would basicly build machines to do everything that us humans now do ....

as for dream jobs ... pffft humans arnt put on the earth to work there whole lives .... you are here to experiance life ... and i dont know how working for someone else will achive anything .... and no matter how high u think u are up in a company or even the owner u still technically work for someone else or answer to someone else

everything would be given to the people born to this planet .... no one should have to pay to live on a planet they were born to if people wanted to find out things through science or whatever they would have free range to do so

so that would reduse world crime by a huge amount ... just removing the money factor .... but then ull have emotional crimes ... like some one sleeping with ur gf or whatever ... not quite sure what kind of policy i would have on such things as of yet .... maybe some kind of eye for an eye policy ... i dunno ... i guess if u coyld remeove all violence from society .. that would be a start ... like how would a child learn to hit someone if he never seen some one be hit before ... i dunno yet... still working on it

also a system of people all working together so that money is completely obsolete like everyone does certain jobs at certain ages ... like when ur you know like 14-15 you work in food production .. then after 2-3 years you do engineering and science then after another 2-3 years you do somthing else, or u get multipul fields at certain ages to choose from that u would like to do ... and so on and so forth and as a reward for participating everything u get is free because we all worked together for humanity to survive ... this would in turn help us to evolve as a species as well as we would all have alot of knowlede about everything that everyone else does .... and we would know about everything i guess ... no secrets would be another great start

one of my main points is that money needs to some how be removed from society that would be the biggest start to anything i think
100% on the mark!
Now as the requirement stated we need a minimum of 144,000 Human like you an we on track to heaven!
I have infinite money = Yes it was always there it's the implementation and the controllers which bocked this from becoming reality for the last 2000 years!
Talking about criminal this more then criminal this is Satan in action full stop! Satan is the system implemented and a state of mind of some individual on this Earth!

So how could Satan be defeated very easy change the system to the way it should have been from the start of life!

Will God do it for us? Yes all we need to do wake up and show God by using our God conscience that we deserve the paradise he reserved for all of us! I am in full communication with God on a Daily base! What the heck you all thing that I worked all this out by my self no way; I would never have found out about this without his help! Actually you know the God conscience is a top teacher amazing!
You will see ones the God conscience will visits you!:)

You see we are on the same thinking patten and I believe; no I know there are millions which figured this out!

There comes my KEY POINT WHY IS IT NOT EXACTLY LIKE YOU SAY?
I say the reason for it got absolutely nothing to do with money but is the tool used to keep us in this big over sized Jail!
This is executed all over the world every Goverment yes Russia also and the address for the ones responsible is ALWAYS the same!

[gorana]

You have issues in your story.

Humans are:
- controlling monstres
- envy on power
- gossiping aunties

If you know how to stop people to do these 3 things, you may solve all our problems.

G.

[apekteina lordosis]

but forget what you learned and got indoctrinated with in school!

times that by 6billion aka total global population. change within a year would result in carnage, change over a couple of decades would have a much better chance of being a success.

[oiram]

You have issues in your story.
Humans are:
- controlling monstres
- envy on power
- gossiping aunties

If you know how to stop people to do these 3 things, you may solve all our problems.
G.I do know how to do this but I give you only the first step!
This point I practised all my life!

Don't ever, ever empower anyone to rule over your individual life!
Don't ever, ever VOTE anyone into Power which has any characteristics you stated above!
If you not sure if the person has one of the characteristics you stated above you still don't VOTE for him!

The ONLY law you still have in your favor & to implement your individuality!

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT VOTE! using this right will preserve & proofs your individuality!

My view after I left School!
Anyone who decides to Vote made him self a committed slave for the system & sold his individuality to the Illuminati!
Here comes my School experience which opened my eyes and mind & I never forgot!
I ask this to my Teacher about the Democratic system we suppose to life in!
What would happen it 70% of logical smart people do NOT Vote for the Government because of there understanding and 30% of the idiots do Vote for the Government what would be the result?
Would I need to follow the idiots!
My Teacher never answered my question & from that time on I had to go my own way and understood that the Democratic System they preaching to us is Corrupt & just a different for of Communisms with a sweet twist!
Or in short Communisms under cover!

You see you can't go wrong on this one!

Step two will follow ones this got fulfilled!

[oiram]

times that by 6billion aka total global population. change within a year would result in carnage, change over a couple of decades would have a much better chance of being a success.You would be surprised how quick something like this is executed ones agree to by HUMANS especially if you don't have one brain dead politician around you talking rhetoric only!:)
Let's say I am very optimistic in this regard!
Because if this KEY POINT: UNITY OF HUMANS will become reality it will be the miracle we all waiting for!

[apekteina lordosis]

You would be surprised how quick something like this is executed ones agree to by HUMANS especially if you don't have one brain dead politician around you talking rhetoric only!:)
Let's say I am very optimistic in this regard!
Because if this KEY POINT: UNITY OF HUMANS will become reality it will be the miracle we all waiting for!

the majority of the great unwashed don't think the way we do. for the great mass who are poor and trapped by money there is a greater mass of people whose lives are comfortable "thanks" to money, and then there is a smaller mass of people who have stupid amounts of the stuff and the world is materialistically their oyster.

for those that find money works for them they ain't gonna change just like that. they will fight to keep the status quo that favours them.

i am with ya on this oiram, money has been useful for the development of medicine, science, technology aka "knowledge", but now it is dragging us all down. but if we want a world where money no longer reigns we need to be realistic about getting rid of it and understand that billions of people are hypnotized by it and even if they are poor, the system has so indocrinated them they can't fathom the world being any other way.

[oiram]

the majority of the great unwashed don't think the way we do. for the great mass who are poor and trapped by money there is a greater mass of people whose lives are comfortable "thanks" to money, and then there is a smaller mass of people who have stupid amounts of the stuff and the world is materialistically their oyster.

for those that find money works for them they ain't gonna change just like that. they will fight to keep the status quo that favours them.

i am with ya on this oiram, money has been useful for the development of medicine, science, technology aka "knowledge", but now it is dragging us all down. but if we want a world where money no longer reigns we need to be realistic about getting rid of it and understand that billions of people are hypnotized by it and even if they are poor, the system has so indocrinated them they can't fathom the world being any other way.
Stupid amounts of the stuff= I Love the way you worded this one & you not wrong :D:D
But now it is dragging us all down = No! this will drag Satan down because of his own Greed believe me; and it will lift you up to a stage they will never know what it is! Don't forget Satan hates you because of your special gift you have and he will never get it from you!

But you know Why they telling you that some people have these ridiculous amounts and would need to get 100000 years old and could not spend it even if they tried hard!
The reason is to get you jealous and mad about it! Why is this so? because they are hating them self's because you can experience real Love in you hart and can radiated out to others! This is what they hate the most about YOU because this is the only thing money can not buy no matter how much they have!
KEY POINT: ON ALL AND EVERYTHING WHICH COMES FROM THE MSM AND OUT OF A POLITISIONS MOUTH ALWAYS ASK YOUR SELF WHY!

My personal KEY POINT: ALL AND EVERYTHING HAS A REASON NO MATTER WHAT IT IS OR HOW STUPID IT MAY APPEARS

That's why real Love is poison for Satan & he hates it that's why only our Love will be able to defeat Satan him self!
Now that's exactly why God = Love & Love is God and God gives you all the power over Satan! Very true in many ways!

We don't need to get rid of money we just have to supply it and not block it because of some power sick control freakes!

[zero1]

Because the word intuition has so many meanings you may end up going in circles again!
On the other hand if you mean this then yes it is very important to find the truth of things!
Intuition (knowledge) - understanding without apparent effort, quick and ready insight seemingly independent of previous experiences or empirical knowledge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition

Don't use Wikipedia, it makes you look like you got your education on the Internet. A bit of advice...:)

[oiram]

Don't use This is my Decoy for the Debunker's :cool: Still helps me at times maneging my third Language! How many Lingo's do you speak and write? What .....only English :eek: :)

[zero1]

This is my Decoy for the Debunker's :cool: Still helps me at times maneging my third Language!

Hehe, very clever...:cool:

How many Lingo's do you speak and write? What .....only English :eek:

Only English, yes. One language contruct is enough for interactivity, I try to avoid the Babel effect. :)

[oiram]

Here is a good one from "danster82" even better then my idea in the end most is free; now you should get really pissed with Satan's boys and all the in-productive Parasites sucking your money and Taxes and tomorrow they just close there doors and say sorry for this we spend it all even with the double bailout we sucked out of the Goverment! : http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34945

Don't you love it???

I dont no where to start really, I see it as their most powerful influence.

You should really watch a few videos on it such as

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279&ei=65jBSLv5J4aKigLJiumjCQ&q=money+as+debt&hl=en

And also this is a great education slide show :

http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse

You need to contemplate what "value" means and then realize they have conned you into accepting their paper as valuable, and they used legal means to make you accept it by Law thats why its called legal tender its the elite telling you you must legally accept this money they create as valuable and it is the only method you can use to pay off debt.

The abundance we would live in without this system is almost unimaginable so vast in fact that it would take a different state of consciousness just to realize it when you try and think of a world where profit is no motivator it touches in every aspect of life as we know it.

In its simplest description the fiat money system the world is under is a self created artificial state of lack which is unnecessary.

If they had no control of the system the money would be directly connected to the goods and services of the world and therefore stable. More or less the whole banking sector would fold and about 80% or all service jobs. contemplate jobs that evolve around money, interest, the financial sector and im not just talking bankers and investor im taking every clerk every IT guy ever secretary cleaners of the offices assistants drivers cafe workers, locksmith for the vault that are all working for the financial sector or in service, i.e somewhere along the line their business is reliant on making money from money.

Now contemplate interest, If you look at it at its most base level (energy level) interest is the equivalent to a blackhole. You (human beings) are the only source of value in this world, we bring the value into the world by either our creativity our inventions and progress or our labor to produce or our art, thats it there is no other source of value, even precious materials are worthless untill they are mined and crafted. And so interest is sucking all this light we bring into the world and putting it into nothingness.

So take somthing like a 1 bed studio for example with a 100,000 pound value with current interest rate its £575 a month with no interest its £238 now thats not bad for a start just getting rid of interest but it doesnt stop there. Because in a world without interest prosperity would be higher anyway and "progress" would be actual progress as in every time we innovate create new technology and methods and increase our economic growth by 3-4% it would actually increase everyones growth by 3-4% meaning if you really did have a 3-4% growth in prosperity things this year would cost 3-4% less its wouldnt take long before most things were near free and that might sound insane it nots quite as insane as you think, its only because of the system we are under now they we have deliberately not make things free in order to create jobs in order to pay the debt in essence its essential to keep the struggle maintained deliberate to maintain the system, without we could begin to make things free because we are already advanced enough to do that but we dont do that...

Heres yet another way to look at it, if I came to your little town you knew nothing about money you simply bartered and I issued £100 credit from my magic wizard hat with my wand and convinced just one of you to accept it as valuable at a 10% interest and the next year I come back to the guy who accepted it and I say I need £110 and he says I dont have £110 its immposible for me to get because theres only £100 in circulation and so I say dont worry I will lend you more so you can pay me back but next year you must pay back that also at 10% Oh and btw didnt I tell you you can also lend what I lend you to others anc charge interest. Basicly what im trying to say is all the interest on all the debt in all the world by national debt and personal debt doesnt actually exist yet not untill its loaned into existence the next year in order to pay off the ever increasing amount of debt that why the market is going to collapse because its built in.

Heres another example, If i control this system of money and ive got everyone accepting my paper as valauable and I start printing credit where people cant see and buying up tangible goods with it "the resources of whole nations" but in this example lets just say lightbulbs if im buying up all the lgith bulbs with this fake money whats going to happen to the price of the light bulb? Remember value always stays the same because a lightbulb is a lightbulb is a lightbulb but the price will fluctuate and if im buying all the lightbulbs up with this fake money you can bet the price of lightbulbs will shot through the roof in order for the blubs to maintain their value and yet everyone holding onto fiat money will suddenly perceive lightbulbs as extremely valuable.

So when they talk about "price" of oil gas food etc going up yes the price is but the value isnt the price is going up because you need more and more of the same fiat money to buy it.

I could go on giving diffrent examples but my fingertips are wearing out
Now if this doesn't get you real, real pissed off then I don't know what else would! I better go for a big, big rebate before they get hung up by there balls!
I never ever signed up to there system so I will claim forced Major!

KEY POINT: SO WHO ARE THESE FUCKING PIGS SITTING IN THE GOVERMENT SUPPOSE TO LOOK AFTER THE PUBLICS INTEREST BEING ONLY PUBLIC SERVANTS???????

Worst then freaking Reptiles I tell you!
Anyway do these Reptilians have Balls got to hang them up on something!
The end time is close but not for us!
I will never ever work anymore for these Pigs lucky I stop 5 years ago! No more Tax from any more! Hah! Hah! Hah!
I am not really into the bible stuff but some parts do make sense! Time for the thief in the night to arrive I am getting restless!

What's about you??

[oiram]

No doubt this must be the real problem some people have!

Monkeys looking into a mirror will never realize that they are looking at themselves; they will always perceive the image to be that of another monkey! :D :D

I never had this problem! What's about you? :D

I'm sure now I have different DNA structure; never did understand the liars & criminal minded!
So it is in the DNA after all.

Good! Love it!
Two more years they may even have the test kit ready!
Nowhere to hide & makes it easy to pick them out afterward with a compulsory test!
Always have known one Day there will be Justis for all these assholes in this world! :p
They can take my test Tomorrow I know who & what I am!
Maybe Paradise after all on the horizon?

"We would indeed advance global evolution." = I did advance my evolution over the last 30 years that's why I was always the only one thinking the way I did!
But I can see some People are catching up now!

Now I understand why the Goverment tries to get the DNA of the Public they searching for more of there own kind & the rest will end up on the Hit List!

http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=35016
Revealing the Wizard
Behind the Curtain

The “New” Biology and Epigenetics

Bruce H. LiPton, Ph.d.

There is a “new edge” biology in town and it’s
radically reframing our understanding of life. Frontier science
is recognizing that there is a lot more to life than just a biochemical
machine controlled by genes. Amazing advances in
cell biology and biophysics are invoking the role of mind and
spirit as the creative force controlling the character of our lives.
Recently described biochemical pathways have now revealed
the mechanisms by which thoughts, attitudes, and beliefs create
the conditions of our body and the external world. An
awareness of these biological breakthroughs is fundamental for
healing ourselves and our planet. Through a personal understanding
of how consciousness interfaces with biology, we are
offered the key to realizing personal growth and impacting
global transformation.

Since Watson and Crick’s discovery of the genetic code
in 1953, the public has been programmed with the conventional
belief that DNA “controls” the attributes passed down
through a family’s lineage, including dysfunctional traits such
as cancer, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, and depression, among scores
of others. As “victims” of heredity, we naturally perceive ourselves
as being powerless in regard to the unfolding of our lives.
Unfortunately, the assumption of being powerless is a path that
leads to personal irresponsibility: “Since I can’t do anything
about it anyway . . . why should I care?”

By the 1970s, the notion of genetic determinism led scientists
to believe that life’s programs were encoded in the genes.
They thus set out to map the human genome, hoping that in
revealing that code, they would find the key to finally preventing
and curing human illness. The project was well underway
when cell biologists began to uncover a paradigm-shattering
view of how life really works. Their revolutionary research has
led to an entirely new branch of science known as Epigenetics
(Watters, 2006). Epigenetic science has shaken the foundations
of biology and medicine to its core, for it reveals that we are
not “victims,” but in fact “masters” of our genes.

The prefix epi-means “over or above.” Currently, students in
high school and basic college biology courses are programmed
with the now outdated notion of genetic control, the belief that
genes primarily control the traits of life. In contrast, the new
science of epigenetic control reveals that life is controlled by
something “above” the genes. Exciting new insights concerning
what that something “above” the genes is provides a gateway
to understanding our proper role as participatory creators in
the unfolding of our lives.

Somewhere Beyond The Genes

Epigenetic science focuses upon the mechanisms by which environmental
signals regulate gene activity. Protein “switches” in
the cell’s membrane respond to environmental signals by relaying
“secondary” signals into the cell’s cytoplasm. Some membrane-
derived signals regulate the cell’s physiologic functions (e.g.,
digestion, respiration, and excretion); other membrane signals
are directly sent to the cell’s nucleus where they control gene
activity (Lipton, 2005).

This is far different from the conventional belief that genes
turn themselves “on” and “off.” Genes are not emergent entities,
which means genes do not control their own activity.
Genes are simply molecular “blueprints” (Nijhout, 1990). In
contrast, epigenetic mechanisms are functionally analogous to
“contractors” that select appropriate gene blueprints needed for
the construction and maintenance of the body. Genes do not
control biology . . . they are used by biology.

The traditional notion that the genome represents “read-only”
programs has given way to a new reality wherein epigenetic
mechanisms modify the readout of an individual’s genetic
code. The power of epigenetics is revealed in the fact that epi
genetic mechanisms edit the readout of a gene and are able
to create over thirty thousand different variations of proteins
from the same gene blueprint (Silverman, 2004)! Depending
on the nature of the environmental signals, the same gene can
be modified to produce either healthy or dysfunctional protein
products. In other words, one can be born with healthy genes
but through a distortion in epigenetic signaling, can develop a
mutant condition such as cancer (Kling, 2003). On the positive side,
the same epigenetic mechanisms enable individuals
born with potentially debilitating mutations to create normal,
healthy proteins and functions from their inherited defective
genes (Waters and Jirtle, 2003).

Epigenetic mechanisms modify the readout of the genetic code;
consequently, the genome represents “read-write” programs
wherein life experiences can actively redefine an individual’s
genetic traits. As organisms interact with the environment, their
perceptions engage epigenetic mechanisms to fine-tune genetic
expression so as to enhance their opportunities for survival. This
environmental influence is dramatically revealed in studies of
identical twins. At birth and shortly after, these siblings express
almost the same gene activity from their identical genomes.
However, as they begin to experience life, their personal individualized experiences
and perceptions lead to the activation of
profoundly different sets of genes (Fraga, 2006).

This revised version of science emphasizes the reality
that we actively control our genetic expression moment by
moment throughout out our lives. We are “learning” organisms,
and our life experiences can become incorporated into
our genomes and passed to our offspring. Rather than perceiving
of ourselves as helpless victims of our genes, we must
now own the empowering truth that our perceptions and
responses to life dynamically shape our biology and behavior.
Now let’s take a look at how those all-powerful perceptions
are actually shaped.

From The Microcosm Of The Cell
To The Macrocosm Of The Mind

Most of the trillions of cells forming bodies such as ours have
no direct perception of the external environment. Liver cells
“see” what’s going on in the liver, but don’t directly know
what’s going on in the world outside the skin. The function
of the brain and nervous system is to interpret environmental
stimuli and send signals to the cells that integrate and regulate
life-sustaining functions of the body’s organ systems.

Evolution accommodated increases in brain size, allowing
organisms to dedicate vast numbers of nerve cells for cataloging,
memorizing, and integrating complex perceptions. The ability
to remember and select among the millions of experienced
perceptions acquired in life provides the brain with a powerful
creative database from which it can design and integrate complex
behavioral repertoires. When put into play, these behavioral
programs endow the organism with the characteristic trait of
consciousness. In this case, the term consciousness is used in its
most fundamental context: the state of being awake and aware
of what is going on around you.

Many scientists prefer to think of consciousness as something
an organism either has or does not have. However, the
study of evolution suggests that consciousness mechanisms
evolved over time. Consequently, the character of consciousness
would likely express itself as a gradient of awareness
from “less conscious” in primitive organisms to the unique
character of self-consciousness manifest in humans and
other higher vertebrates. Self-consciousness endows one with
the quality of simultaneously being both a participant and
observer in the unfolding of one’s life.

The expression of self-consciousness is specifically associated
with a small evolutionary adaptation in the brain known as
the prefrontal cortex. The prefrontal cortex is the neurological
platform that enables us to realize our personal identity and to
experience the quality of “thinking.” Monkeys and lower organisms
do not express self-consciousness. Monkeys looking into a
mirror will never realize that they are looking at themselves; they
will always perceive the image to be that of another monkey. In
contrast, neurologically more advanced chimps looking in the
mirror recognize the mirror’s reflection as their own image.

An important difference between the brain’s consciousness
and the prefrontal cortex’s self-consciousness is that conventional
consciousness enables an organism to assess and
respond to the immediate conditions of its environment that
are relevant at that moment. In contrast, self-consciousness
enables the individual to factor in the consequences of their
actions not just in the present moment, but also as to how
they will impact the future.

Self-consciousness, which incorporates a reasoning individual
(“self”) in the decision-making process, enables us
to be cocreators, not merely responders, to environmental
stimuli. While conventional consciousness enables organisms
to participate in the dynamics of life’s “play,” the quality
of self-consciousness offers an opportunity to be not just
an actor, but also an audience member and even a director.
Self-consciousness provides an individual with the option for
self-reflection, and the ability to review and edit their character’s
performance.

As significant as it is to our own identity, self-consciousness
is actually just a small part of what we call the mind. While
the self-conscious mind is engaged in self-reflection, someone
has to be minding the store; enter the subconscious mind. In
conventional parlance, the brain’s mechanism associated with
automated stimulus-response behaviors is referred to as the subconscious
or unconscious mind, because this function requires
neither conscious observation nor attention. Subconscious
mind functions evolved long before the prefrontal cortex.
Consequently, organisms unable to express self-consciousness
are fully able to operate a body and navigate the challenges of
a dynamic environment. In a manner similar to lower organisms,
we too can cruise on “automatic pilot” regulating our
physiologic and behavioral functions without need for advice
or other input from the self-conscious mind.

Who’s Running The Show?

The subconscious mind is an astonishingly powerful information
processor that can record perceptual experiences
(programs) and forever play them back at the push of a button.
Interestingly, many people only become aware of their subconscious
mind’s push-button programs when their own “buttons
are pushed” by the actions of others.

Actually, the entire image of pushing buttons is far too slow
and linear to describe the awesome data processing capacity
of the subconscious mind. It has been estimated that the disproportionately
larger brain mass providing the subconscious
mind’s function has the ability to interpret and respond to over
40 million nerve impulses per second (Norretranders, 1998). In
contrast, the diminutive self-conscious mind’s prefrontal cortex
only processes about forty nerve impulses per second. As an
information processor, the subconscious mind is one million
times more powerful than the self-conscious mind.

In contrast to its computational wizardry, the subconscious
mind has only a marginal aptitude for creativity, best compared
to that of a precocious five-year-old. While the self-conscious
mind can express free will, the subconscious mind primarily
expresses prerecorded stimulus-response “habits.” Once a
behavior pattern is learned—such as walking, getting dressed,
or driving a car—those programs become automatic habits in
the subconscious mind, meaning you can carry out these complex
functions without paying any attention to them.

While the subconscious mind can run all internal systems and
chew gum at the same time, the much smaller self-conscious mind
can juggle only a small number of tasks simultaneously. Although
its ability for multitasking is physically constrained, the trained
self-conscious mind is quite adept at “single-tasking.” It is the
organ of focus and concentration. It was once thought that some
of the body’s involuntary functions, such as the regulation of
heartbeat, blood pressure, and body temperature, were beyond
the control of the self-conscious mind. However, yogis and other
adept practitioners have clearly demonstrated that the mind can
indeed control presumed “involuntary” functions. Most of
us have experienced how mind controls such functions when
we become excited, happy, or sad while watching a movie
or awaken from a scary dream, wet with perspiration and our
hearts pounding. A vivid imagination controls autonomic functions
as much as real events.

The subconscious and self-conscious minds work as a marvelous
tandem tag team. The subconscious mind’s role is to control every
behavior that is not attended to by the self-conscious mind. For
most of us, the self-conscious mind is so preoccupied with thoughts
about the past or the future, or engaged with some problem in our
imagination, that we leave the day-to-day, moment-to-moment
“driving” to the subconscious mind. Cognitive neuroscientists
reveal that the profoundly more powerful subconscious mind
is responsible for 95 to 99 percent of our cognitive activity and
therefore controls almost all of our decisions, actions, emotions,
and behaviors (Szegedy-Maszak, 2005).

The most powerful and influential behavioral programs in
the subconscious mind were acquired during the formative
period between gestation and six years of age. Now here’s the
catch—these life-shaping subconscious programs are direct
downloads derived from observing our primary teachers: our
parents, siblings, and local community. Unfortunately, as psychologists
are keenly aware, many of the perceptions acquired
about ourselves in this formative period are expressed as limiting
and self-sabotaging beliefs (Lipton, 1998, 2001).

Unbeknownst to most parents, their words and actions are
being continuously recorded by their children’s minds. Since
the role of the mind is to make coherence between its programs
and real life, the brain generates appropriate behavioral
responses to life’s stimuli to assure the “truth” of the programmed perceptions.

Let’s apply this understanding to real-life behavior: Consider
that you were a five-year-old child throwing a tantrum in a
department store over your desire to have a particular toy. In
silencing your outburst, your father reprimands you with his
often-repeated response, “You don’t deserve things!” You are
now an adult and in your self-conscious, thinking mind you
are considering the idea that you have the qualities and power
to assume a position of leadership at your job. Remember, while
in the process of entertaining this positive thought in the self-
conscious mind, programs in your more powerful subconscious
mind are automatically managing all of your behaviors. Since
your fundamental behavioral programs are those derived in your
formative years, your father’s rebuke that “you do not deserve
things” may become the subconscious mind’s automated directive.
So while you are conjuring up wonderful thoughts of a
positive future and not paying attention to the current moment,
your subconscious mind automatically engages self-sabotaging
behaviors to assure that your reality matches your program of
“not deserving.”

The Subconscious Mind: The Invisible Pilot

When the self-conscious mind is engaged in thought, it rarely
observes the automatic behaviors generated by the subconscious mind.
Consider the significance of this common reality:
Let’s say you have a friend Mary whom you’ve known since
childhood. Being familiar with her and her family so long, you
recognize that Mary’s behavior closely resembles that of her
mother. Then one day you casually remark, “You know, Mary,
you’re just like your mom.” Mary backs away in shock, indignant
that you could even suggest that she was like her mother!
“How can you say something so ridiculous?” she demands.

The cosmic joke is that everyone else can see that Mary’s
behavior resembles her mom’s except Mary. Why? Simply
because when Mary is engaging the subconscious behavioral
programs she downloaded in her youth from observing her
mom, her self-conscious mind is preoccupied in thought and
she’s not paying attention. At those moments, her automatic
subconscious programs operate without observation; hence
they are unconscious. Only rarely do we observe our unconscious
behavior—and it is usually a shock when we do.

Consequently, most of our personal and cultural problems
arise from the belief that we are running our lives with our
conscious desires and aspirations. “This is what I want from
life. I want to do all these wonderful things.” Yet our lives usually
don’t match our intentions; as a result there is a tendency
to think, “I can’t get the things that I want . . . the world is not
providing them. The Universe is against me!” Generally, the
reason we fail to get what we desire is not because the Universe
does not want us to succeed, but because we undermine our
own efforts with “invisible” limiting behaviors. Unfortunately,
our fundamental subconscious programs were acquired by
observing the behavior of others (e.g., parents, family, community,
TV), people who may not share our personal goals and
aspirations. While our conscious minds are trying to move us
toward our dreams, unbeknownst to us, our subconscious programs
may be simultaneously shooting ourselves in the foot
and impeding our progress.

We have all been shackled with emotional chains wrought
by dysfunctional behaviors programmed by the stories of the
past. However, the next time you are talking to “yourself” with
the hope of changing sabotaging subconscious programs, it is
important to realize the following information. The subconscious
mind is simply a “record-playback” mechanism that
downloads experiences and programs them as “behavioral
tapes.” There is no thinking, conscious entity controlling
subconscious programs; this autopilot mind is basically a stimulus-
response reflex mechanism. Using reason to communicate
with your subconscious mind in an effort to change its behavior
would essentially have the same influence as trying to change
a program on a cassette tape by talking to the tape player. In
neither case is there an entity in the mechanism that will respond
to your dialogue.

Positive affirmations and positive thinking are not that effective
in reprogramming limiting beliefs. Positive thoughts are
generated by the conscious mind, a tiny processor that controls
the system less than 5 percent of the time. If programs in the
subconscious mind do not support the intentions of the conscious
mind, which will win out? Positive thinking is a good idea,
much better than negative thinking, yet while one is engaging
the conscious mind to create positive thoughts, the subconscious
mind with its limiting and self-sabotaging programs is running
the show! Consequently, positive thinking does not necessarily
improve the situation for most people.

From The Blame Game To Response-Ability

One of the most important points to make is that subconscious
programs are not fixed, unchangeable behaviors. We have the
ability to rewrite our limiting beliefs and in the process take
control of our lives. However, to change subconscious programs
requires the activation of processes other than engaging
in a running dialogue with the subconscious mind.

One of the more ancient processes of taking control of your
life is to be fully present and use your creative conscious mind
to control behavior, rather than rely on the “autopilot” habitual
programs downloaded into your subconscious mind. For example,
the next time you are driving and come to a stoplight, pause
for a moment and listen to the monologue that is continuously
emanating from your mind. Most of the information is either a
rehashing of the past or expectations about your future.

Psychologists suggest that most of these thoughts are negative
and redundant, with 95 percent of them arising from
perceptions programmed in the subconscious mind. As mentioned
earlier, the function of the brain is to create coherence
between its programs and the life you experience. When you
have the opportunity to “listen” to your thoughts, realize that
their content is greatly influencing your future expectations.
Increasing consciousness by being an observer of your thoughts
is a foundational principle of Buddhism.

Amazingly, the power of thought is also fully recognized by
the principles of quantum physics, a science that acknowledges
the participation of the observer in the creation of reality. This
profound conclusion is originally derived from many experiments
that attempted to identify the “true” character of Nature’s fundamental
building blocks—were they made of immaterial waves
(energy) or were they physical particles (matter)? This is an
“either-or” solution since something cannot be both physical and
nonphysical. The surprising answer to their quest: if the scientist
created an experiment that registered particles, they were particles;
if the scientist created an experiment to detect waves, they were
waves. Simple conclusion: “The observer creates the reality!” This
role of mind in creating reality was recently underscored in the
prestigious scientific journal Nature. In an article entitled “The
Mental Universe,” Richard Conn Henry, professor of physics at
the Johns Hopkins University, concludes, “The universe is immaterial—
mental and spiritual. Live and enjoy” (Henry, 2006). It is a
scientific reality that thoughts influence the material world!

When the subconscious mind provides for most of our
thoughts, then our lives are primarily shaped by our developmental
experiences, including behaviors and attitudes acquired
from others (e.g., parents, family, and community) (Lipton,
2001). However, if we keep our self-conscious mind focused
upon the present moment, rather than letting it wander into
the past or future, we can actively control our mind by using
thoughts that empower ourselves and lead us to our desired
intentions and aspirations.

Interestingly, you may have actually experienced the spectacular
consequences of living from the self-conscious mind,
and it was probably the happiest, healthiest, and most energetic
period of your life. It was when you fell in love and experienced
the “honeymoon effect,” a period where you were fully present
and very self-conscious of your attitudes and behaviors. Your
self-conscious mind was “running the show” to assure that you
were presenting yourself in the qualities you aspire to, rather
than allowing the expression of habitual traits programmed
into your subconscious mind. These new insights from biology
and physics provide a scientific recognition of the powerful,
life-affirming consequences of the Buddhist spiritual practice
known as mindfulness.

Other approaches to rewriting limiting or sabotaging subconscious
programs include clinical hypnotherapy and a new
field of diverse modalities, collectively called “energy psychology,”
that identify and rapidly rewrite limiting belief programs
in our subconscious minds. For more information on how to
rewrite our subconscious programs, review the Resources
selection at www.brucelipton.com.

The Old Story Is The New Story

The conclusions of the “new edge” biology provide a radical
departure from our conventional beliefs of how life works. In
contrast to the notion of being a genetically driven biochemical
automaton, the new insights reveal that it is the mind that
controls genes, which in turn shape our biology and behavior.
The self-conscious mind, associated with our individual identity
and the manifestation of thoughts, is guided by our own personal
beliefs, desires, and intentions.

Here’s what is important for now: As we recognize our ability
to change our programming, we evolve from passive victims
to responsible cocreators. In the process, we are afforded the
opportunity to respond to life, not merely react to it.

Once we realize that our past behaviors were predicated on
the invisible operation of the subconscious mind—whose programs
are derived from other people’s beliefs—we are afforded
the opportunity to forgive ourselves. Our invisible behaviors
are programs primarily derived from others, who in turn
were programmed by others, backward through time. Perhaps
instead of original sin, we should be talking about “original
misperception.” In any case, neither we nor our parents, nor
their parents, were aware that we were primarily controlling
our lives using behavioral programs derived from others.

In this regard, it is important to remember this: ALL of the
people we have ever engaged with over our lifetime were also
responding using invisible behavioral programs downloaded
into their infant subconscious minds. Consequently, they too
were personally unaware of their own invisible participation
and contributions that may have impacted our lives.

Based upon the scientific insights on the nature of how the
mind works, the “new” biology implores us to heed the advice
of all the great prophets to forgive all of those that have transgressed
against us. We have all been shackled with emotional
chains wrought by dysfunctional behaviors programmed by
the stories of the past. Through forgiveness, we unshackle ourselves
and others, allowing us all to let go of the old story.

It is of profound importance to the evolution of humanity
that these new insights reach the public. Efforts to bring
peace into the world are truly impeded because most citizens
are unconsciously responding to cultural wrongs that were
perpetrated generations ago on their ancestors. From this
perspective, it behooves us to step back and reconsider our
emotionally charged notions concerning blame, guilt, victims,
and perpetrators. These labels can only be legitimately applied
to situations in which the participants are fully cognizant of the
programming and operation of their self-conscious and subconscious
minds and yet still engage in destructive behaviors.

In studying the life and teachings of Jesus, it is clear that
He was innately aware of the mechanics of consciousness and
employed it in controlling His own biology and behavior. This is
why Jesus emphasized that were it not for our (limiting) beliefs,
we all could do the miracles He did, and perhaps, even better
than He did them. He was on target when He declared that we
could renew our lives with our beliefs. And most importantly,
He saw the reality of forgiveness as the most important path
toward peace. If enough of us performed this simple “local”
act, we would indeed advance global evolution.

[Ian2day]

I think that you've got as many personality's as me.

My take on it all is that it is our obedience to the system of control which brings about our enslavement. If we remove ourselves as much as possible from their system. They can't control us any more. It is that simple. No need to fight to wage war or anything violent. Just stop going to work ffs. If they lack people now when they still are needed by them. The system will be defeated. So I am calling on us all to not work for the system until its controllers are forced into submission. Self sufficiency is the key. The petrol blockade in the UK of 2000 nearly worked. It was defeated as people were still watching the mainstream media. Their reality was media constructed for them. So it also involves not using mainstream repeaters when this action begins. Otherwise the emotive manipulation will be used to garner a step down.

[caleb_11]

When will you people Wake up?

Please just put you're self mentally into the position to have all the power over all the Economy, all natural resources on this earth and you have an infinitive amount of money available which would never end as long the earth will exist!

Now what would you do; yes you not others?
Would you distribute it to all & everyone equally ore would you be discriminative to any country person regardless of status or color .... etc?

Now if you worked this one out you have all the answers what is wrong with our system, who is running it, why you are paying tax, getting kicked out of your house, why the Police and system is intimidating you every day, why you don't have your dream job you always liked to do, why people die for absolute nothing then just egoisms, jealousy, greed, racist thinking & the power hunger over other individuals!

But after you worked out this one & you also one of the ones discriminating anyone on this earth for what ever reason you also one more person to be put on the list of criminals in this world!

If I have this power all this shit would stop in a matter of one year and I will get a 90% approval rating from the world's population!

I am not joking & very serious with this!
Work this one out for your self then you know how very simple it is to solve everything; but forget what you learned and got indoctrinated with in school!

Don't tell me I am a Idiot, Nuts, or a moron because I am absolutely not; if you still presume that I am then I say you are the one which deserves this title! You will say it's impossible and I tell you it's NOT and it's all up to you to make this decision!
But do you even like to know how it could be achieved that's one more key question you have to ask your self!

For me to have this knowledge and I do & I'm very confident about it I will always be in control of this knowledge above you no matter what education title you are holding!

Like the saying goes who has the knowledge has the power; but it depends on what you do with the knowledge to get respected!

Work it out!
If I was able to find the answer; means I know that you also can if you try! Ones you found this knowledge we talk again!
Then you have to tell me what you found & I will confirm if your are correct or close to it what I know & understand now!

Note:
Please! I am not looking for arguments; I talk about understanding something & a consequent solution scenario!
The entire point I make is about self realisation!
You need at least an IQ of minimum of 100 points!
You have to be a very logical thinker!
Also you have to be absolutely opened minded and absolutely none discriminative!
If you don't have this quality's don't even try because I know you can not find the answer to my question!

Also I predict that I will not get many answers because my knowledge at present can not be found on the Internet because it's just a jungle of confusion and over information!




HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm sorry.

Only the insane are attracted to power...many people get into power to help change reality, lol, we go around in circles.

No offence, but wisdom is understanding how little we know.

I'm not sure where you're coming from, but so many people here on this forum have this problem with academics. I am studying politics at univerisity and when it comes to politics I know ony one thing:

NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, including myself, WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICS.

I can critise, but I really don't know what to do...or maybe I am thinking in the wrong direction.

If you want to change society, then change yourself.

We love to live outside ourselves, always wanting to change what's out there, a brilliant form of escapism, to feel like a hero, save the world.....hahha. When we do that - corrpution is inevitable.

*Sigh*, back to my corner....lol.

[revolutionary_jam]

did you know that if we used all our money we could buy the world back off the illuminati owners with the equivalent of a couple years profit from the illegal drugs industry, the problem is WE SPEND OUT MONEY ON CRAP

[legendary]

did you know that if we used all our money we could buy the world back off the illuminati owners with the equivalent of a couple years profit from the illegal drugs industry, the problem is WE SPEND OUT MONEY ON CRAP

that's not the only problem. it's like the lottery. you put in a pound every week, and even if you win £1000 after 1000 weeks you'll be happy, because you wouldn't have saved a grand from the individual pounds. similiarly with drugs, if people didn't buy them, the money would go on food or clothes. in order to achieve what you are talking about you would need to establish far more co-operatives (i think they are called). which are similiar to banks, except that every person who puts in money gets a say in how it is used, so for example if somebody wants a loan, you look at their financial situation and between you and the others storing your money, you can decide how much, if any you want to loan them, receiving a lower rate of interest than any banks charge. therefore if the community are the ones in control of their money they can control where it goes and take their money out of the hands of big banks.

[ex sheep]

1. We must not even waste our energy on what we would like to do with the system and how to run it, because if we don't get the word out, it ain't gonna happen.
2. Get the word out.
3. If we put all our energy into getting the word out, then we might have a chance.
4. So I think what we need to do is get the word out.

Thanks to everybody who is trying.

[duckingdafta]

Monkeys looking into a mirror will never realize that they are looking at themselves; they will always perceive the image to be that of another monkey! :D

so are capuchins and great apes not forms of monkey? as I always thought these could

I recently heard magpies also recognise themselves

[oiram]

I'm not sure where you're coming from, but so many people here on this forum have this problem with academics. I am studying politics at univerisity and when it comes to politics I know ony one thing:

NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, including myself, WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICS.:D:D
You definitely not alone!
One thing you can do!
You have the RIGHT TO NOT VOTE!


http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=401952#401952
My point is that he has LIED about having partaken in Muslim activities and, most likely, about believing in Islam as well (the latter is something that we can't know for sure, of course). His advisors have lied about it. If he would have been honest about being a Muslim while growing up and having converted to Christianity, the issue would then be whether we would want to elect a President who had formerly been a Muslim but had converted at a relatively young age, and that's another matter altogether.

But why not just make it fare to all & balance the entire argument!
To me I could not see how anyone would be able to get a position in Politics especially not in high positions if he is not able to be a good liar in the first place!

Aren't all politicians the same; having the same basic training and abilities?
What's about high positions in Cooperations is this not a form of Politics, what about a General in the Army is that not clearly Politics?

Just look at the basic practise & function of rhetorical talking.
Maybe people have a different opinion about where a lie starts or stops being a small or a big lie which are all forms of the same thing with the same end result!

So what's about rhetorical talking is this not a form of lying or should I say twisting the Truth or ignoring the truth or skipping, diverting a question which could lead to find the truth or lie?

For me all politicians are in one or the other way liars or guilty of association covering a known lie from others working in the same organisation! Also there seem to be a lot of solidarity in there own ranks to protect there lies in general!

Not sure how others teach there own children but I was told small lie or a big lie is two of the same thing? Maybe liars see this a bit different but I personally don't!

In the end you all have the same option!
You have the RIGHT TO NOT VOTE!

[oiram]

http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=401973#401973

Fact or fiction? SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2007

Scenario:
Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun
in gun rack.

1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.

2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario:
Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.

1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.

2007 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.

Scenario:
Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.

1957 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2007 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario:
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping
with his belt.

1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.

2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison.Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.

Scenario:
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.

1957 - Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.

2007- Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario:
Pedro fails high school English.

1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.

2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher.English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario:
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model
airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.

1957 - Ants die.

2007- BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confi scated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario:
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found
crying by his teacher, Mary, who hugs him to comfort him.

1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.

2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.What can anyone say; this is a sorry state we allow them to treat us & our children!

[oiram]

SHAW, GEORGE BERNARD. 20th century British dramatist said "This is the real enemy,
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=29737

[oiram]

I think that you've got as many personality's as me.
My take on it all is that it is our obedience to the system of control which brings about our enslavement. If we remove ourselves as much as possible from their system. They can't control us any more. It is that simple. No need to fight to wage war or anything violent. Just stop going to work ffs. If they lack people now when they still are needed by them. The system will be defeated. So I am calling on us all to not work for the system until its controllers are forced into submission. Self sufficiency is the key. The petrol blockade in the UK of 2000 nearly worked. It was defeated as people were still watching the mainstream media. Their reality was media constructed for them. So it also involves not using mainstream repeaters when this action begins. Otherwise the emotive manipulation will be used to garner a step down.Absolutely on target!
I did do my bit I stopped 5 years ago and if I can handle it I will never work for this System again in my life!

[oiram]

I've made a few quasi-supportive statements about Palin. about whom I actually know very little. What I've heard regarding her views on Iraq and the GWOT unfortunately indicate that she is in complete harmony with McCain's position, and that therefore this ticket is not to be supported by reasonable voters. Even if Palin may be, in some regards, a breath of fresh air.What will it take to resolve the simplest equation on this Earth?

How diluted people got to be; too not logically understand that McCain and Palin = Republicans system = Bush and Cabal rule = War mongers = Wars & murdering for profit = Goverment Organisation controlled by the Elite??? :o:rolleyes:

Obama = Same Office different Door to meet him = Same Families different rhetoric = Same Goverment Organisation controlled by the Elite!! = 1 + 1 = 2 ;)

Last & only logical option = Vote for WFT & Humanity the biggest single body after the Earth him self!! = Approved & confirmed by your personal God!

WFT = World Federation of Truth! = Armageddon the last true Battle to save Humanity!

Please no need to confirm to me that you "Satan's" all Hate me; because I know! :D

[oiram]

Good reading; a bit heavy for newcomers & common person!

I wished they would have this Article in a bit more simple form; so all People would understand the underlining points!

illuminatiMATRIX

the unveiling and revelation of the war on humanity
The Blueprint - The Manipulation - The SOLUTION
December 8, 2006
the luciferian blueprint - the key that unlocks - the source of religion

Bryan Kemila
http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/

[oiram]

This term can still almost get me angry at times.

some of my responses are:

'Whether it sits well with you or not, at some point in your life you are going to have to face this and go through what I'm going through now, that is an absolute given, no-one can escape it. I just want you to know that I am cool with your reaction right now because its the same reaction I had when I stumbled accross the truth and my beliefs tried to reject it'.

'Well the people you have put trust in an believe are caught on an almost daily basis lying through their teeth. Remember the BBC's 'Children in Need' money scam? Yet you believe everything else they say? Everyday we put off facing the truth our boys and girls in Iraq are being poisoned by Depleted Uranium and coming home with limbs missing, chronic psychological problems?, dead?'

'I can categorically show you that you are being programmed, via Television Programmes, watch this and make up your own mind'Yes my Friend we know and we all together will be the ones which have to brake this madness & manipulation!

Your are not alone trust me!

The term Conspiracy Theory & Terrorist is a Key term they distributing & indoctrinate us with to protect there sorry asses!

Also all and every Religious Organisation with all there Tools are in bed with the Governments & Elite traitors of Humanity!

[oiram]

International Poll: No Consensus On Who Was Behind 9/11
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/535.php?nid=&id=&pnt=535&lb=

September 10, 2008

A new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll of 17 nations finds that majorities in only nine of them believe that al Qaeda was behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States.

In no country does a majority agree on another possible perpetrator, but in most countries significant minorities cite the US government itself and, in a few countries, Israel. These responses were given spontaneously to an open-ended question that did not offer response options.

On average, 46 percent say that al Qaeda was behind the attacks while 15 percent say the US government, seven percent Israel, and seven percent some other perpetrator. One in four say they do not know.

WPO_911_Sep08_graph.jpgGiven the extraordinary impact the 9/11 attacks have had on world affairs, it is remarkable that seven years later there is no international consensus about who was behind them," comments Steven Kull, director of WorldPublicOpinion.org.

Even in European countries, the majorities that say al Qaeda was behind 9/11 are not overwhelming. Fifty-seven percent of Britons, 56 percent of Italians, 63 percent of French and 64 percent of Germans cite al Qaeda." However, significant portions of Britons (26%), French (23%), and Italians (21%) say they do not know who was behind 9/11. Remarkably, 23 percent of Germans cite the US government, as do 15 percent of Italians.

Publics in the Middle East are especially likely to name a perpetrator other than al Qaeda. In Egypt 43 percent say that Israel was behind the attacks, as do 31 percent in Jordan and 19 percent in the Palestinian Territories. The US government is named by 36 percent of Turks and 27 percent of Palestinians. The numbers who say al Qaeda was behind the attacks range from 11 percent in Jordan to 42 percent in the Palestinian Territories.

The only countries with overwhelming majorities citing al Qaeda are the African countries: Kenya (77%) and Nigeria (71%). In Nigeria, a large majority of Muslims (64%) also say that al Qaeda was behind the attacks (compared to 79% of Nigerian Christians).

The poll of 16,063 respondents was conducted between July 15 and August 31, 2008 by WorldPublicOpinion.org, a collaborative research project involving research centers from around the world and managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland. Margins of error range from +/-3 to 4 percent.

Interviews were conducted in 17 nations, including most of the largest nations--China, Indonesia, Nigeria, and Russia--as well as Egypt, France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Jordan, Kenya, Mexico, the Palestinian Territories, South Korea, Taiwan, Turkey, and the Ukraine.

Respondents were asked "Who do you think was behind the 9/11 attacks?" and their answers were categorized into four response groups: "Al Qaeda," "the US government," Israel," or "Other." Any answers that approximated al Qaeda, such as "bin Laden" or "Islamic extremists," were categorized along with those who said al Qaeda. Those who simply characterized the perpetrators as "Arabs," "Saudis," or "Egyptians" (3% on average) were included in the "Other" category.

Respondents in Asia have mixed responses. Bare majorities in Taiwan (53%) and South Korea (51%) name al Qaeda, but 17 percent of South Koreans point to the US government and large numbers in both countries say they do not know (Taiwan 34%, South Korea 22%).

Majorities of Chinese (56%) and Indonesians (57%) say they do not know, with significant minorities citing the US government (Indonesia 14%, China 9%).

A clear majority of Russians (57%) and a plurality of Ukrainians (42%) say al Qaeda was behind the attacks. But significant minorities identify the US government (15% in both cases) and large numbers do not provide an answer (Ukrainians 39%, Russians 19%).

Out of all countries polled, Mexico has the second-largest number citing the US government as the perpetrator of 9/11 (30%, after Turkey at 36%). Only 33 percent name al Qaeda.

Though people with greater education generally have greater exposure to news, those with greater education are only slightly more likely to attribute 9/11 to al Qaeda. Steven Kull comments, "It does not appear that these beliefs can simply be attributed to a lack of exposure to information."

A stronger correlate of beliefs about 9/11 are respondents' attitudes about the United States. Those with a positive view of America's influence in the world are more likely to cite al Qaeda (on average 59%) than those with a negative view (40%). Those with a positive view of the United States are also less likely to blame the US government (7%) than those with a negative view (22%).

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http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/535.php?nid=&id=&pnt=535&lb=

strangely, the link doesn't work most of the time... see if you can open it.

i think the undecided 25% are just making up their minds and since they managed to gain a skeptical pov despite the media manipulation, it is only a matter of time until they realize that the official story is a lie.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=499417
Shows you how effective there Brainwashing & indoctrination Programming System really is!

Yes! and the ones which do not get fooled & fall for there indoctrination have the moral obligation to do there best by what ever means available to the individual to awaken the ones living in this illusionary Dreamworld!

Al Qaeda is just a paid off Tool for there overall agenda that's all! and don't we all know what people would do to get some Dollars transfered to there personal account!
Some would eliminate there entire families for $$$!
Especially this practice & strategy works very well in any poor country!

Logic and Truth will prevail no matter what!

Also I never fall for Polls or Election results especially not if they publicly announced & distributed!
Manipulation and corruption at it's best!

[oiram]

Topic Gold Demand

I wonder if we are seeing the early stages of a much broader public interest in hard money. Anyone else have a similar experience? I can not understand that people still can not see what's happening now & what has to logicly happen very soon! Very, very soon; not years!
People must be under some sort of hypnoses and disregard reality & keep dreaming still thinking long term!
The only thing what could stop what is in my view is definitely in the pipeline; is that we are able to stop it from happening!
But! But! But To many unknown!

I may have to make the same decision soon and all I can see is property without a building; or Gold!
I can not see anything else which would represent any value ones the shit hits the fence!
Paper won't be much good then!
Say they Nuke the property well that would screw that one up too; make sure you don't hide the Gold on the property!

Anything else which would make logical sense??

Any other logical suggestions?
The way these Idiot's are going with there agenda I can see nothing else!


Say these Idiots get there way and the party is finally over and you still alive the biggest value of all will be your personal multi skills; and this skills will be worth more then any Gold! Hands on skills will be needed, requested & required everywhere like hot potatoes!
I don't think Bankers and any Pencil pushers will be very high on the required skill list if this situation eventuates!

So the only thing which would give the Pencil Pushers any value is if they would make a life and death effort to stop what's planned by the Elite; and they well on there way with there agenda!
You better all wake up quick and make your move because Time is running out!
Maybe you can shut down HARRP for starters; I presume the Hurricanes activities will all of a sudden stop there distraction; ones you succeed!
What Stops you?
Just ask & request your Goverment to shut down HARRP; no harm done "Right"! from the reaction you will see exactly from where the wind blows! Very Easy to find the real Truth!

I hope private groups have equipment to get readings right now when the Hurricanes are active same like they did on 9/11?
GO HERE: http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=199&Itemid=60

I predicted many times before & I say again; that you most likely will not have any Election for many obvious reasons!

Do you all really believe they will scrap there agenda they have planned for century's and is in full swing since 9/11?? Let's hope you all right with your dream and I'm wrong! Both ways I will be very happy!
Even if Obama or McCain gets in; the agenda will not be changed no matter what! They will use all the disasters they creating now to declare state of emergency and that will be the start of the end!

No one ask anyone to fight but to ask questions and to spell out requests does not harm anyone "Right"!
No matter if it is only a Theory better save then sorry! They can prove there honesty to all! But I believe to know the answer already and this should wake up the dumbest one of all!

[oiram]

Topic 'Conspiracy Theory' "Rhetorical speech"

OK here is my comment easy!
The word or phrases you try to analyze is just "Rhetorical speech" used to deflect, descriptive insults, divide opinions into pro and contra groups and presents & has a double meanings function!

Rhetoric always has a hidden agenda otherwise it would not be used at all! Truth and honesty does not require Rhetorical comments because it is a form of indirect manipulative lying & hiding facts!

Rhetoric = Religious, Political & top Management master languish!
Usually the Rhetorical scripts a kept Confidential in Management for obvious reasons!

You cant change the phrases or words being used!
You have to educate the people; explain to them what "Rhetorical speech" is, what it is used for, why are they using it, what effect it has, train people to use there logic and to develop personal critical thinking, about all and everything which gets distributed by people working in power positions which 90% are using the "Rhetorical speech" for there communication with the uneducated brain-dead sheeples!

Don't ever blindly trust idols created & promoted by MSM & being used by the Elite for there agenda!

Is it there fault to be uneducated "No/Yes!"
Automatically to achieve education you back to education! and who owns and controls the education and material used? Yes same address the Goverment which = Religious organisations!

Basically the people which use Rhetoric are lyres have something to hide and are the assholes of society! Full Stop!
The ones which get fooled by Rhetoric are either idiots or uneducated and don't know better and are not guilty until they read this and understand what I am saying here!
Knowing the facts and not reacting to it, in any type or form means you become guilty by association!

Terrorists = "Jesus ", hired Terrorists, Truth seekers, Wisel blowers" all people which terrorising and highlighting there dubious plans actions, corruption & secrets!

So are you a Terrorist???????? I am by there definition but I'm fighting against there definition!

The MSM is saturated with lies and Rhetorical speech! Brainwashing of the finest!

Remove or restricting there tools, will automatically collapse there System!

Very easy!

By the way Wake Up People!


Here is a small Sample:
Effective Use of Rhetoric
http://www.azete.com/view/3512

[oiram]

What exactly is 'sheeple'?

http://dyn.politico.com/snetwork/images/profile/D319515C-188B-498D-20B1FFE6517A1F6E.JPG
:D Baaa...!.:D Baa ....! :D Baaa ...! :D

[oiram]

Benjamin Fulford: Telephone interview, September 6
Audio interview here:
http://www.projectcamelot.org/audio_interviews.html


Transcript:

Kerry Cassidy: Today is September 6th and it’s 7:14 pm, California time. And Benjamin, where you are, I can’t imagine how late it is.

Benjamin Fulford: Well, it’s 11 in the morning on September 7th here in Tokyo.

K: Oh, right. Sunday. So this is Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot and Bill Ryan. And we’re talking to Benjamin Fulford in Japan. So, Benjamin, last time we talked, you were very, sort of incognito, talking about September 8th as an interesting date.

BF: Well, actually, I don’t know about September 8th, but, you know, the dirt I’ve been hearing is September 30th, and then some sort of event in the US in October. So my understanding from my various sources is that there will be an attempt at a coup d’etat, martial law, and rounding people up for the detention camps in early October.

These people have been trying very hard to start WWIII. As you know, the Israelis had an Air Force base in Georgia and they were planning to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities from Georgia. The important thing is though... a friend of mine who was at the Trilateral meeting in Tokyo in 2006 told me there was a technical explanation there, where they said that because the Iranian facilities are so deep underground, they would have to attack them with nuclear weapons. Now, the Russians and the Chinese have said they will destroy Israel if they do that. OK?

Well, I suspect the people behind this are ready to see Israel destroyed. This is gonna be their new holocaust in order to create the environment for their so-called “messiah” to appear. So they’re crazy. And they’re trying to kill billions of people. And we’re running out of time.

K: So you’re saying that they’re going to push this event forward and you think it might be happening sometime in... October is the timeline you’re given?

BF: Well, this is what a lot of the sources are telling me. There’s a split in the ranks. You see, a lot of the Bushes and their Nazi people have been stealing from everybody, and up in the high finance world they’ve created a lot of enemies. And they’re supposed to have some sort of September 30th deadline to pay. And they don’t have the money, so they’re gonna create martial law and activate their military and say, To hell with you.

Full Story Here: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35645
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[oiram]

You will love this shit!
What else do they have in stock! What will be next?
True or not true I don't give a shit I'm not going into Hospital either!
No way I will have any injections or vaccinations even if they ask me!

Don't trust these guys anymore!
Fuck the Governments having all this shit going on in the background!

Also I believe most western Governments are in bed with each other! Impossible to ever trust these Governments ever!
Shit I'm happy to be in Asia in the moment!

Pandemic flu preparedness and the China connection
http://www.thepowerhour.org/news3/olympics_perfect_storm.htm

Main Page:
Global Commentary and Analysis
http://www.projectavalon.net./

No matter true or not!!!
Cant trust these Governments anymore Fuck them all & send them all to Fucking Hell !!!!!!!!

[oiram]

"There was total misinformation fed to the coalition forces," Humayun Hamidzada, the spokesman for President Hamid Karzai, told The Associated Press.
Afghan police arrested three suspects accused of giving the U.S. military false intelligence that led to the bombardment, the Interior Ministry has said.
An Afghan government commission found that up to 90 civilians were killed, including 60 children, a finding backed by a preliminary U.N. report.

http://news.aol.com/article/did-false-tip-lead-to-afghan-deaths/173369


Imagine that! Afghans giving false intelligence to their occupiers... there ought to be a law. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif That's what Muslims would call sacrifice for the common good!!

I think they learned this from Bush Cabal strategy only he sacrificed 3000 not 90!

That's why you always have to make sure you check on the reliability of your sources!
Same shit happened with Iraq! And after they found out they already committed them self's to move in!

What a shit of a World!

I only hope when this shit is all over that the country's involved will educate there people to make them understand that this is not created & the fault of the common Americans!
Western people understand but I don't know about these uneducated people this will be one more problem we have to address to make them understand what the reality is!
Maybe a good gesture could be to show them your feelings; is to give them some of your Top ranking Criminals and just let them behead the criminals of Humanity; so they know you also don't like these criminals! Who gives a shit how they die ones the judged & got death penalty! Also think about the economical aspect you would save a lot on the Electricity bill from not using the electrical chair "right? We should think green with all this Global Warming around! http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[oiram]

--------------------------------------------''What luck for rulers that Sheep do not think.''
http://www.erichufschmid.net/ThreeSheeple.JPGhttp://www.erichufschmid.net/PiedPiper.PNG
Don't be so easily controlled!... Baaa... Baaa!

[oiram]

Topic: "Sheeple" - The Mass Debate! posetive/negative?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35881&page=6

Sheeples is a absolute perfect description & also serves a sociological function!

Aren't we all the conspiracy Nuts "Right!". So what reaction does the description conspiracy Nut does to you personally; are you getting more interested into the subjects or do you retract from the subject?
Because you feel scared, embarrassed or labeled?

Here are the categories they created to make you all back of!
You moron
You Idiot
You nut case
You full of shit
You crazy and don't know what you are talking about
You must be on Drugs
Are you a racist
You are a conspiracy Nut
Are you a libertarian, Republican, Democrat
Are you Christian or a Muslim terrorist
You will become a Domestic Terrorist
Be careful they will look for you and kill you.........etc!

So what is wrong with the harmless word Sheeple! I Love the word Sheep it's so helpless, soft and cuddly ...Baaa...Baa...Bad!

Look in the Talmud and you will find the animal connection!

A person which uses his logic an has self confidence will never be labeled by others; because any labelling can only come from your own inner self hate!
My own experienced REALITY!


In my case as more people give me names and trying to put me into a category the more I start searching because I know someone tries to hide something!

In getting pissed and reacting to the wording Sheeple are only the ones which put them SELF's into this category "right"!

To me it's a perfect description & only points into one direction to WAKE UP and to use your own personal logic to evaluate things "all things!"

It does not say to listen to someone else's concepts; ore that he has to believe it!
All it says to Wake up from the manipulated Dream World we ALL LIVING IN!
In my case it has absolutely nothing to do with being Superior toward anyone else!
I Love it; ones people Woke up to see reality all by them self's! And what's wrong to just point people into the right direction! "plant a few seeds"

Wake up free your self from the Shepperd and start use your own logic otherwise you will stay the sheeples! There will be no one helping the sheeples ones the shit hit's the fence! REALITY!

If I ended up to wake up only one soul by calling him Sheeple What more could you have done to helped someone?
Sometimes people need a strong word "think your kids" or a sort of intimidation to Wake up! In real we are helping not intimidating????
Is it not the end result which counts??

Because we all will be on our own at first!
Governments don't fight Wars with smart logic individuals; but they do it with Sheeples which are easily controlled, don't think by them self's & follow orders coming from there Shepperd!
You don't need to worry about the Elite ones things turn bad; you need to worry about the next door sheeples "with may even have Guns to play with" which may give you & your Family a hard time! Because they only remember the last words the Elite indoctrinated into them!

[oiram]

Don't know I have a funny feeling in my guts!

Just in case this first paragraph will be executed first!

Just will say this before it is to late; hope you guys & you Families will be save and look after your self's!

Hope I Will hear from you guys again ones you taken back your Country and regained control over the communications!

FEMA ...... Possible Presidential Executive Order
# 10995: Right to seize all communications media in the United States.

Yes he has the right; a self created right??
Fucking manipulators, Rulers & Dictators!
By my logic there will be hard times ahead; but no WW because the US should logically be out of Dollars to pay for a WW!
Should I am wrong & there is a WW created and run by the US would mean that the Entire Economical mess was just a big scam & tool to get to a War and must have been preplanned for a long time & money was never the problem in the first place because they could make as much money as they would need if they got it for a War!

Secondly if there would be WW would mean someone else would invest money into it and gives money to the US!

Logically which other country would be so mad to promote a WW; also who would they fight where is there enemy; and gives the US the money to execute a WW?? ..... Israel maybe? ....The only Country I could think off !

This was exactly the same question I had all my life; who was financing Hitlers War because Germany was totally bankrupted at the time! That's why the WWII was logically a very nicely planned War very clear!

Let's see who will finance the next War if it will ever happen which I doubt very much!

The only so called enemy's only the US has and all there Enemy's are ALL self created!
I think the US Leaders are totally on there own with this one! If not it would easily be seen which group or Governments always been in bed with the US and must have a joint venture plan!

More logic here: no dumb sheeples no Tools, no Tools, no Wars! 1 + 1 = 2
What a bend Goverment!

But there is still the WFT watching the entire development of the situation with a billion people world wide I would say! Don't worry there will be no WW if you don't support it and help your leaders!

Anyhow the American Goverment Leaders and there cronies murdered enough People world wide for fame & greed; maybe a good time for a 180 degree change to stop all this madness permanently!

[oiram]

Fuck me drunk! :eek: Talking about women being fucking greedy!

I think she has a bit of spare cash to buy something!
Or what's about a small donation for the poor??/


“Queen Elizabeth II the largest landowner on Earth.”
Queen Elizabeth II, head of state of the United Kingdom and of 31 other states and territories, is the legal owner of about 6,600 million acres of land, one sixth of the earth’s non ocean surface.

She is the only person on earth who owns whole countries, and who owns countries that are not her own domestic territory. This land ownership is separate from her role as head of state and is different from other monarchies where no such claim is made – Norway, Belgium, Denmark etc.

The value of her land holding. £17,600,000,000,000 (approx).

This makes her the richest individual on earth. However, there is no way easily to value her real estate. There is no current market in the land of entire countries. At a rough estimate of $5,000 an acre, and based on the sale of Alaska to the USA by the Tsar, and of Louisiana to the USA by France, the Queen’s land holding is worth a notional $33,000,000,000,000 (Thirty three trillion dollars or about £17,600,000,000,000). Her holding is based on the laws of the countries she owns and her land title is valid in all the countries she owns. Her main holdings are Canada, the 2nd largest country on earth, with 2,467 million acres, Australia, the 7th largest country on earth with 1,900 million acres, the Papua New Guinea with114 million acres, New Zealand with 66 million acres and the UK with 60 million acres.

She is the world’s largest landowner by a significant margin. The next largest landowner is the Russian state, with an overall ownership of 4,219 million acres, and a direct ownership comparable with the Queen’s land holding of 2,447 million acres. The 3rd largest landowner is the Chinese state, which claims all of Chinese land, about 2,365 million acres. The 4th largest landowner on earth is the Federal Government of the United States, which owns about one third of the land of the USA, 760 million acres. The fifth largest landowner on earth is the King of Saudi Arabia with 553 million acres

Largest five personal landowners on EarhQueen Elizabeth II 6,600 million acres
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia 553 million acres
King Bhumibol of Thailand 126 million acres
King Mohammed IV of Morocco 113 million acres
Sultan Quaboos of Oman 76 million acresHow much she will make a day for renting her places out!

If she is the land owner then how much land tax she has to pay a year?
My logic tells me zero Pound zero Dollar???? :mad::mad:

[oiram]

Liar Nation: Finally Reaping What We Have Sown
(September 16, 2008) The operant phase of this nation in this decade: "Take the 'con,' Captain!"

It's all too easy to be distracted and confused by the complexity of the financial unraveling which now transfixes our craven media and politicos, but the underlying cause is really very simple: we have become a nation of liars, and no one cares.

We have candidates for the highest office of the land pronouncing their deep religious faith, yet not one candidate has expressed any outrage at the ubiquity, the pervasiveness, the crassness of the nation's reliance on lies or the incalculable harm perpetrated by the lies which have formed the very bedrock of the debt/credit bubble which is now, at long last, finally imploding.

Lying is now accepted as the norm and elicits bored yawns. Hillary ducking machine gun fire as she deplaned--a lie, but oh well, she "misspoke." Now we have Palin and McCain claiming Governor Palin eschewed Federal "earmarked" pork spending, only to read that the Wall Street Journal checked the record and found, ahem, the two candidates "misspoke," i.e. lied.

Palin's Project List Totals $453 Million

Last week, Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain said his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, hadn't sought earmarks or special-interest spending from Congress, presenting her as a fiscal conservative. But state records show Gov. Palin has asked U.S. taxpayers to fund $453 million in specific Alaska projects over the past two years.
Here is a brief rundown of the financial implosion sweeping the nation:

More Here: http://www.oftwominds.com/blogsept08/liarnation9-08.html All our Governments
Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying, Lie, Liar, Lying
Welcome to the World of Manipulation, Corruption & Criminals!

[oiram]

I never have known this before & they never ever mentioned this in school! I wonder why??

Be aware of Historical events; watch out for Similarities!
Difference is now; the source could be within the System :!:

Does the normal American Population know this??

Better save then sorry!

The Jewish Declaration of Economical War
on Germany
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwardayexp.jpg
Few people know the facts about the singular event that helped spark what ultimately became known as World War II - the international Jewish declaration of war on Germany shortly after Adolf Hitler came to power and well before any official German government sanctions or reprisals against Jews were carried out. The March 24, 1933 issue of The Daily Express of London (shown above) described how Jewish leaders, in combination with powerful international Jewish financial interests, had launched a boycott of Germany for the express purpose of crippling her already precarious economy in the hope of bringing down the new Hitler regime. It was only then that Germany struck back in response. Thus, if truth be told, it was the worldwide Jewish leadership - not the Third Reich - that effectively fired the first shot in the Second World War. Prominent New York attorney Samuel Untermyer (above right) was one of the leading agitators in the war against Germany, describing the Jewish campaign as nothing less than a "holy war."


The Economic Boycott of 1933
Long before the Hitler government began restricting the rights of the German Jews, the leaders of the worldwide Jewish community formally declared war on the "New Germany" at a time when the U.S. government and even the Jewish leaders in Germany were urging caution in dealing with the new Hitler regime.

The war by the international Jewish leadership on Germany not only sparked definite reprisals by the German government but also set the stage for a little-known economic and political alliance between the Hitler government and the leaders of the Zionist movement who hoped that the tension between the Germans and the Jews would lead to massive emigration to Palestine. In short, the result was a tactical alliance between the Nazis and the founders of the modern-day state of Israel - a fact that many today would prefer be forgotten.

To this day, it is generally (although incorrectly) believed that when Adolf Hitler was appointed German chancellor in January of 1933, the German government began policies to suppress the Jews of Germany, including rounding up of Jews and putting them in concentration camps and launching campaigns of terror and violence against the domestic Jewish population.

While there were sporadic eruptions of violence against Jews in Germany after Hitler came to power, this was not officially sanctioned or encouraged. And the truth is that anti-Jewish sentiments in Germany (or elsewhere in Europe) were actually nothing new. As all Jewish historians attest with much fervor, anti-Semitic uprisings of various degrees had been ever-present in European history.

In any case, in early 1933, Hitler was not the undisputed leader of Germany, nor did he have full command of the armed forces. Hitler was a major figure in a coalition government, but he was far from being the government himself. That was the result of a process of consolidation which evolved later.

Even Germany's Jewish Central Association, known as the Verein, contested the suggestion (made by some Jewish leaders outside Germany) that the new government was deliberately provoking anti-Jewish uprisings.

The Verein issued a statement that "the responsible government authorities [i.e. the Hitler regime] are unaware of the threatening situation," saying, "we do not believe our German fellow citizens will let themselves be carried away into committing excesses against the Jews."

Despite this, Jewish leaders in the United States and Britain determined on their own that it was necessary to launch a war against the Hitler government.

On March 12, 1933 the American Jewish Congress announced a massive protest at Madison Square Gardens for March 27. At that time the commander in chief of the Jewish War Veterans called for an American boycott of German goods. In the meantime, on March 23, 20,000 Jews protested at New York's City Hall as rallies were staged outside the North German Lloyd and Hamburg-American shipping lines and boycotts were mounted against German goods throughout shops and businesses in New York City.

According to The Daily Express of London of March 24, 1933, the Jews had already launched their boycott against Germany and her elected government. The headline read "Judea Declares War on Germany - Jews of All the World Unite - Boycott of German Goods - Mass Demonstrations." The article described a forthcoming "holy war" and went on to implore Jews everywhere to boycott German goods and engage in mass demonstrations against German economic interests. According to the Express:

The whole of Israel throughout the world is uniting to declare an economic and financial war on Germany. The appearance of the Swastika as the symbol of the new Germany has revived the old war symbol of Judas to new life. Fourteen million Jews scattered over the entire world are tight to each other as if one man, in order to declare war against the German persecutors of their fellow believers.
The Jewish wholesaler will quit his house, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his business, and the beggar his humble hut, in order to join the holy war against Hitler's people.

Much More Here: http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html Totally different Picture ones you get to know the real Truth!
If true then just Fuck all the Jewish which organised this shit!
Or is this just one more bullshit conspiracy made by Terrorists???

Expose what happens now is just the Law of Karma!

[celtic isis]

Hmm, does that mean that intuition does not work?

i've an IQ of about 124 lol does that count me in :D

fuck wrong quote came up! great stuff oiram!!

[oiram]

Is the Illuminati Provoking an Economic Collapse?

http://www.henrymakow.com/is_the_illuminati_proviking_a.html

by Henry Makow Ph.D.

Sept. 15, 2008


We may be on the verge of a stock market crash reminiscent of 1929.

I was watching a special CNBC program on the financial crisis when the news came across that Moody's had downgraded the Insurance giant AIG (American International Group.) This company was already on the ropes Monday when its stock crumbled to $4.75 from $11, %60 in one day. It was down from a $70 52-week-high. The company had gone to the Fed for a bailout. It was estimated it needed $40 billion.

Because of the Moody's downgrade, it emerges that it will need alot more money to avert bankruptcy. This is a massive company that holds the pensions of millions of employees. A money manager estimated that a trillion dollars would be lost if AIG declares bankruptcy. The whole world financial system could be taken down. He said banks in the Far East were already acting like this is inevitable, and the collapse already has been set in motion.

As you can imagine, the CNBC commentators were frantic. One demanded to know how the Fed can allow this to happen. "We know they print money," he said. Another wondered if the States whose pension funds were held by AIG could organize a bailout. Not enough time, he was told.

The bottom line is that Tuesday and the rest of this week could be ugly so be prepared. The second bottom line is that this Depression like the last appears to be caused by a deliberate contraction of credit. House prices are falling because banks don't have the money to lend to house buyers. As a result, portfolios holding mortgage backed securities are tumbling, taking banks with them. The Fed, after bailing out Fannie May and Fredie Mack, have let Lehman Brothers fail. AIG appears to be next and the dominoes will continue to fall.

At this time, it is important to be aware that an illuminati defector (http://www.savethemales.ca/141002.html) known as "Svali" said she was taught that the "end of the world" scenario involved an economic collapse. Remember the Illuminati is a Masonic cult founded and funded by the central bankers who own the Fed. Here is her full testimony (http://giuli.com/svali/EssentialSvali.pdf) given about ten year ago.

"Want to hear the end of the world scenario the Illuminati taught me? It was cult
propaganda, but this is how they believed the New Order would be ushered in:

There will be continued conflict in the mideast, with a severe threat of nuclear
war being the culmination of these hostilities. An economic collapse that will devastate the economy of the US and Europe, much like the great depression.

One reason that our economy continues limping along is the artificial supports
that the Federal Reserve had given it, manipulating interest rates, etc. But one
day, this won't work (or this leverage will be withdrawn on purpose) and the next
great depression will hit.

The government will call in its bonds and loans, and credit card debts will be called in. There will be massive bankruptcies nationwide. Europe will stabilize first,and Germany, France and England (surprise) will have the strongest economies, and will institute through the UN an international currency. Japan will also pull out, although their economy will be weakened.

Peacekeeping forces will be sent out by the UN and local bases to prevent riots. The leaders will reveal themselves, and people will be asked to make a pledge of loyalty during a time of chaos and financial devastation.

Doesn't sound pleasant, does it? I don't know the exact time frame for all of this,
and wouldn't want to even guess. The good news is that if a person is debt-free,
owes nothing to the government or credit debt, and can live self sufficiently, they
may do better than others. I would invest in gold, not stocks, if I had the income.
Gold will once again be the world standard, and dollars will be pretty useless
(remember after the Civil War? Our money will be worth about what confederate
money was after the collapse).

All this said, it could just be cult propaganda taught to me and others to frighten
us. It may be that none of this will happen. I sincerely hope not. I also strongly
believe that God is able to stay the hand of the wicked, and to take care of our
nation and others, if we turn to Him."

That noted, let's remember the words of Denis Healey, former British Defence Secretary and Secretary of the Exchequer: "World events do not occur by accident: They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings."

I think we are in for a recession, maybe even a Depression but I don't think the Illuminati is ready to declare their New World Order just yet. However, this could be part of a larger scenario leading to World War Three, similar to the role the Great Depression played as a precursor to World War Two.

The Illuminati goal is to torture the human race until we cry out to them for world government, anything to stop the pain.

[oiram]

David Wilcock:
Telephone interview transcript,
9 September 2008

Just found this not bad fits some of my own theorys :roll:

Topics:

Rothschilds vs. Rockefellers
.Occult and Religion
...Masons, anti-Illuminati
.....A New Atlantis
.......Masonic Revolt

..The Civil War
......The Federal Reserve
.........World War I
..............Hitler, World War II


......The Anunnaki and the Germans
.........Roswell and the Looking Glass
...........Looking Glass, Pineal Gland, Stargates
..............Aliens after Roswell

Rifts in Space/Time, Abductions
...2012
.....Torsion technology, weather wars
........McCain / Palin
...........Current time: The World vs. the Rockefellers

Brzezinski and Obama
.....Rockefellers vs. Rothschilds, political parties

Amnesty (http://www.projectcamelot.org/david_wilcock_9_sept_2008.html)
That by that time all the CIA had completely fled. They left behind all their toys, all their documents, all their secret junk. Russia now has possession of that and BELIEVE me, they intend on publishing everything. They are going to make it public. It’s not going to be kept secret. It’s going to blow the whistle on the whole thing. And I already thought this was amazing enough, but then when you see 6, at least, different crop formations that tie this in, not only with the date of August 16th, but directly with 2012, the end of the Mayan Calendar, it appears that what we’re being told is that the events that are happening right now are directly paving the way for the downfall of the Rockefeller/Nazi faction that has been illicitly running this country and running the show for 50 some years.

That this treasure trove of documents Russia has come into possession with will be what is necessary to bring them down. Obviously the most dangerous period of time that remains is between now and the election because this war in Russia, in Georgia rather, was their big attempt to try to create total chaos, to bomb Iran and to create Martial Law.

Plus, I’ve had several dreams which seem to indicate that, though these things will be attempted, that they’re not actually going to pan out.
They will attempt to crash the economy.(9 September 2008)
It will be successful to some degree. We’re probably going to see a pretty horrifying market vomit happen very soon. We’re probably going to see more attempts made to create some kind of war. I don’t think it’s going to be successful. So, now you’ve heard my very longwinded diatribe on all these events. [Laugh] And I’m hoping to, whatever you’d like to talk about from here.
http://www.projectcamelot.org/david_wilcock_9_sept_2008.html
.....................................

Benjamin Fulford: Telephone interview, September 6

Audio interview here:
http://www.projectcamelot.org/audio_interviews.html

[demise_of_time]

The power of change lies withing the individual.

[oiram]

WFT in full swing I think! YES!, YES!, YES! :D :D

The End of Capitalism?
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/treder20080915/

Mike Treder

Mike Treder

Responsible Nanotechnology

Posted: Sep 16, 2008


Does the present financial crisis signal the end of capitalism, as we know it? The question was asked on Friday by our colleague Stephen Aguilar-Millan of the European Futures Observatory.
It is often said that the 1980s was a decade that demonstrated that Soviet style Communism was unworkable. The decade culminated with the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union itself.

This was followed in the 1990s by a decade that showed that Russian-style Capitalism could not work also. The financial repercussions of the Russian Default in 1998 and the subsequent LTCM crisis placed great strains on the international financial system.

The 1990s was followed by the current decade where large financial imbalances have developed within the world economy. These have now resulted in the nationalisation of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, who together underwrite 80% of US residential mortgages.

Stephen goes on to say:
American Capitalism has been offered as a solution around the world since the 1960s, but hasn’t gained much traction for one simple reason – it doesn’t work. It does not offer any solution for those market failures that arise on a regular basis. It certainly offers no hope for the largest market failure facing humanity today – that of Climate Change.

We now see, through the nationalisation of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, an admission from the US Federal government that American Capitalism does not work.

Over the weekend, of course, we also witnessed huge US investment bank Lehman Brothers filing for bankruptcy protection, a move, the BBC says, "that is rocking global financial markets."

And that's not the end of it. It's also been announced that Bank of America has agreed to purchase brokerage giant Merrill Lynch at about 1/3 of its early 2007 value.

Meanwhile, AIG, the world's largest insurance company, is looking for "a $40 billion bridge loan from the Federal Reserve" as it struggles to avoid bankruptcy.

So, has capitalism, or at least American-style capitalism, run its course? Former US Fed chairman Alan Greenspan says we are in the middle of "a once-in-a-century type of financial crisis."

But is this simply a crisis, or could it be the signal of a fundamental systemic shift?

During the last comparable upheaval, back in the 1930s, most of Europe began moving toward a system of democratic socialism, which is still in place today. The US never went that far, of course, and in fact retreated from that direction in the 1980s and 1990s in a move toward market economics that many blame for the present troubles.

Back to Aguilar-Millan, who wonders:

The Keynesians came to the rescue in the 1930s and 1940s, but there is no parallel school of thought today. Perhaps necessity will generate it? Perhaps it is time for China, or India, to take the intellectual lead?

To us, that seems an improbable scenario. In our view, a more likely outcome over the next decade or so is a clear realignment that puts communist capitalism—China and Russia—on one side, with democratic socialism—the United States, Europe, Japan, Australia, and Canada on the other side. India, Africa, and South America will remain in the middle, to be wooed and/or fought over by both sides.

Does that seem familiar? It's similar to the old Cold War alignment, but with the economic systems flipped around.

China has combined one-party politics with robust capitalist economics and achieved astonishing financial growth since the 1980s. Russia's present leadership seems eager to follow that example. If the US, on the other hand, decides to join with Europe and others by adopting socialist management of health care and certain major financial institutions, which side would finally emerge triumphant?

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts about this possibility.

[oiram]

Parasitic Bankers Achieve the End of Capitalism and the Sacking of America
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article5480.html

Communism was a public relations gift to the bankers. By diverting the dialogue to “controlled versus free markets” it obscured the bankers' real intent—to insert debt into every aspect of free markets. The bankers' overwhelming success however would destroy both the bankers and the free markets on which they preyed.

Parasitoidism is the relationship between a host and parasite where the host is ultimately killed by the parasite. This is what is happening to the US . Once the most powerful and productive economy in the world, the US , indebted by bankers and government spending beyond its ability to repay, is headed towards sovereign bankruptcy.

[oiram]

Am I missing the point somewhere?
Suppose there was a one world government introduced. Where is the benefit, what is the reason for enslaving us all. I mean we are already trapped by many tricks of society already, but why does a small group of people want total dictatorship of us all? What are they getting by doing it? Why reduce numbers, chip us, monitor us etc.
I can see the way this world is going.
I can see the tricks to get us there.
I'm just not understanding why the few would want to control the many to the level Icke predicts. Could someone explain the benefits to them?
Ie is it the kick.
The kick of power? With us at 80% taxes.
To absorb energy of the Universe?
I mean already we have lots of tricks in place people don't see like the banking system, phasing out cheques etc. But what is the reason for all this etc and why would they want these goals? Is it for a luxury lifestyle with us on 80% taxes.
I don't get the 'why' this is needed, but I can see what Icke has predicted happening.
I don't get why they need mind control etc.
WHY???
This is one dot I'm missing.Here is your answer they call it a condition I call it being the sick assholes of humanity & society!:mad: Even murdering is fun for them they maybe even have a wank on it when they Torcher people & rapeing young children!:mad:

Profile of the Sociopath

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of Sociopaths.

Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Pathological Lying (Like Bush, McCain, Obama, all Politicians "ALL", Police, most Company owners & all MSM employees!)
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

Incapacity for Love

Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

Other Related Qualities:
Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-sociopath.htm
sociopath is a person who has antisocial personality disorder. The term sociopath is no longer used to describe this disorder. The sociopath is now described as someone with antisocial personality disorder.

The main characteristic of a sociopath is a disregard for the rights of others. Sociopaths are also unable to conform to what society defines as a normal personality. Antisocial tendencies are a big part of the sociopath’s personality. This pattern usually comes into evidence around the age of 15. If it is not treated, it can develop into adulthood.

Visible symptoms include physical aggression and the inability to hold down a steady job. The sociopath also finds it hard to sustain relationships and shows a lack of regret in his or her actions. A major personality behavior trait is the violation of the rights of others. This can appear as a disregard for the physical or sexual wellbeing of another.

Although these symptoms are all present, they may not always be evident. Research has shown that the sociopath is usually a person with an abundance of charm and wit. He or she may appear friendly and considerate, but these attributes are usually superficial. They are used as a way of blinding the other person to the personal agenda behind the sociopath’s behaviour.

Many people with antisocial personality disorder frequently indulge in alcohol or drug use. They may use these substances heavily as a way of heightening their antisocial personality. The sociopath sometimes sees the world on his or her own terms, as a place of high drama and risky thrills. The sociopath may suffer from low self esteem, and the use of alcohol and drugs is a way to diminish these feelings.

The causes of antisocial personality disorder are thought to be either genetic or environmental. Children who are influenced by antisocial parents may adopt these tendencies. Similarly, role models such as one's friends or peer group may also influence the behaviour pattern of a sociopath. Antisocial behaviour is more likely to occur in men than in women. About 1% of women have this disorder, while 3% of men are affected by it.Death Penalty for all is the only Just Penalty!

[oiram]

Topic: The label Sheeple for the Sheeples!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=511943#post511943

Why a name or a label at all?

Why create divisions?

Compared to where we will be in 10 years or in 10 lifetimes, right now we are all still "sheeple" ourselves.I taken this items out of your full quote:

1) No label at All?
2) The division?
3) Compared in 10 Years time?
4) Right now we are all still "Sheeple" = (Your personal opinion & it's a label which excuses the Sheeples behaviour!)

Which item do you like most?? Or better which Item you prefer?

Sorry that I have to disappoint you; but I stopped caring the label in "item 4) after my 15th birthday & started to Compare the Good with the Bad!

I do understand what is "good & bad" & what is "morals & immoral" the part I really don't like is the gray area!

The gray area is where the Sheeple live right now!

For me it's mathematic: 1 + something (grey area) + 1 = maybe 1, maybe 2, maybe 3 .....etc!

For me it's more simple 1 + 1 = 2 (and not something!)

I made my choice and picked the "Truth & Moral" which = 1 + 1 = God like" this two items I always keep "separate (the devision)" from all other forms & behaviours!
So I don't end up confusing my head & I am not talking about the small one!

If people do not keep the devision between "good & bad" "moral & immoral" they usually stay in the gray area which can result in lying, confusion, Alcoholisms & Drug use & many more somethings!

My system ends up with a positive result; being "truthful & using morals" results in "trustworthiness & respect" returned to you from the ones using the same formula!
I will not follow "bad & immoral" just to satisfy Satan's gray area & evil behaviour law!

I Love the Truth! The only two poisons which will defeats Satan an his serpents!
Like Gods message stated: I gave you all; the power over Satan! And it's written in your DNA; all you need to do is find the switch in your soul & turn the time machine on which will transport you to Paradise in heaven!

I guarantee you all ones you seen the true light for your self you will never search for darkness again!

[oiram]

The 'illuminati' follow Satan and they hate God and the Bible! The Bible exposes and condemns the NWO reptilian agenda, so your imaginings on the subject are way, way off the mark! If the God of the Bible is the God of the Brotherhood and secretive societies such as Freemasonry, why do they express so much hate towards Christ and the Bible, even in secret?Difficult for me to put this into written words!
Expose a individual opinion gets created by your personal conclusions & experience in life!
I base my points on the fact that Jesus was just a man like you and me! Now the Jesus they try to indoctrinate us with is a man which suppose to be God!
By my logic we all can be "god like" by what we are doing; the same like the Jesus person did!
Jesus just implemented & lived by "Gods natural moral law" which we all have in us and only needs activation!
But the personal individuality & activation of the "God Conscious" gets blocked if you are not able to live free of any idols, manipulation and external leadership.

Also the word Christ in my book is not a fiscal item; it's a condition you would radiate out if you live by God like principles! "God Conscious"!

Now people which would be able to live there life's by using there "God Conscious" would not like to be locked up in a system or dance to anyones instructions!
Now to me Freemasonry are people which need & use others to get there ways & projects implemented!
Basically they need a Host!
People which use "God Conscious" make a absolute terrible unreliable Hosts for the Freemasons the way they thinking! So naturally I believe and know from my life experience working under Freemasons all my life; they will hate the "God Conscious" = Christ condition = Gods moral law = Logic = Individuality = self sufficient = Independence = freedom!
Now all this conditions are not good for someone who likes to be a Leader which wants control over all movements and likes that his instructions are followed to the dot!

A person which lives with a "God Conscious" makes a; absolute terrible Soldier! Because a Soldier should never ever ask WHY!
Leader "Freemasons" will tell you don't think just listen what I tell you to do also you are not paid for thinking your are paid to work and to just listen too my instruction!

"Freemasons" will hate everything which has to do with Religious teaching especially if they teach you morals! That's why they modified some parts in the Bible to suit there requirements!

Don't know if this made some sort of sense!


As David Icke, and many others, have shown, there is far more to Sun worship than just worshipping the Sun. The Bible condemns Sun worship but the generational elite actively promote it. This generational elite also have ties and associations with the Reptilian NWO agenda and the demonic other dimensional forces that inspire it.Ok now you say the Bible condemns Sun worship!
Thats right & makes logical sense to me; because lets say we would start to worship the Sun again; this for starters would set us free from the Church ORGANISATION! Then we would end up being inter-pendent use our logic and seeking to be free individuals and not like to be controlled by anyone! Not even a by a "Freemasons"! This would screw up all there business because we don't need them anymore to wipe our asses!

Now think about what I pointed out above! "Freemasons" running ORGANISATIONS! which needs Sheeples to function & to operate perfectly; but it would even be more perfect for the "Freemasons" slave driver mind; if the Sheeples would not have any form or type of Morals! "Right!"

That's the part where the Religious leader can not deliver perfectly because of the moral parts being also written in the Bible; which is in the Public domain and part of the Religious teaching!
Believe me if the "Freemasons" could have there own way 100% they would burn every Religious Book which has any sort of Moral teaching in-it! Then they would just replace the teaching they like to indoctrinate us with through the schools which they have already 100% control over!

In my Book nothing is just magic or mystery everything has a reason and logic behind it!


================
Now the last part because all has to have a logical combination in my book!
So why would the "Freemasons" hijack the Sun Worship and make it to be related to the Satanic or Lucifer side!
In my book it's the perfect way to stop us from falling back to the Sun Worship because they know this would set us free from the Jesus story & Church ORGANISATION!
But they have created a second backup which is the Church system teaches us that Satanic & Lucifer is Satan's department and we should never touch it; but again this of-cause is one more bullshit manipulation to serve there overall agenda! And Yes they are regularly in bed with the Church ORGANISATION! too make profit both ways!
It is all about business money and power, control over the people keeping them self's "Slaves" for there agenda nothing else!

[gorana]

.....YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT VOTE!.......

Question is... who wins, when you don't vote?

You do not win, because either democrats or republicans will deliver their president, no matter if you vote or not :)

So, there must be other way, than to vote or not to vote.

G.

[oiram]

Question is... who wins, when you don't vote?
You do not win, because either democrats or republicans will deliver their president, no matter if you vote or not :)
So, there must be other way, than to vote or not to vote.
G. If people don't Vote which is your individual right proves; to the cabal there is no more confidence toward the Goverment! No matter what they are doing afterward; same shit happened in Pakistan with there stubborn President! All said "enough is enough" no more of this shit and he proved to all & everyone that he is a Dictator of the finest! Same shit applies to Bush & cabal after 9/11 even a blind man can see it by now!

Also by not Voting you prove to your self that you don't stand for there actions & don't like to be a part of this manipulation, corruption & self destruction!
Also protects you from being Guilty by association! No one! & I repeat no one! can force you to be one of the Brain-dead Sheeples!
At later stage; I can hear the Question already being ask to all! Did you Vote for them? Conclusion: then you must be one of them???


One more option if you prefer it & like to take the risk of dieing for it; a Revolution!
Not many options left can you not see what Bush and Cabal are doing!
They Nationalising everything creating more & more regulations & ridiculous laws" no matter the people agree with it or not! Just listen to Fuck head Bush; "Satan" at his best; he does not give a Shit & anyone any options to have a saying in any issues; that's what I call a Dictator and the Congress appears to agree 100%????!
Dictator ship of the best nothing to do with democracy!

I don't proclaim to be right in all points; also I am only one of many individuals not God yet! but this is my logical conclusion out of all the things happened over the last 7 years!
Should I be wrong with my conclusion; GOOD because I will be very, very Happy!
This is the End Time Game; Not the End of the World but the End of the Corrupt manipulated System run by Sociopaths & Nut cases!

Here is more confirmation!
Thoughts???
http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/2008/05/who-owns-federal-reserve.htmlAnd Here is some very important hints Ron Paul gives regarding this!

Ron Paul knows exactly what is in the pipeline! Listen to Ron Paul very careful see if you can find all the hints he gives everyone!
I found 3 hints he gave very clearly!
He really calls the people to wake up!
But you know that his balls are on the line and he can do nothing without the peoples power! He talks like Kennedy but you got to read it out of his comments!
Don't forget who is really controlling America because it's not your President or your congress as you all aware of by now!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

This individuals running the show deliberately destroying the Economy & consequently America! They will confiscate "Nationalise" by trickery all Major Company's you will see just wait for some more weeks! This is Russian system in action!
But Why Americans just have to stand by and take it; just get rid of the traitors of Humanity! Your entire Congress and all others in your Goverment are paid-off Puppet Masters; even a blind man can see this! This traitors of Humanity are not only sitting in your Goverment this is a world wide issue!
If you would have someone in your company starting to destroy your company would you keep him or would you get rid of him?????


What is going down now! It's all preplanned Shit why would they have protocols like this?????
Use your logic and connect the Dots; don't be blinded by what is going on now! Ron Paul confirms this in his Comments!
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=35861
PROTOCOLS FOR ECONOMIC COLLAPSE IN AMERICA
by
Al Martin


And this is how the U.S. Treasury would handle an economic collapse.
It's called the 6900 series of protocols. It would start with
declaring a force majeure, which would immediately be interpreted by
the marketplaces as a de facto repudiation of debt. Then the SEC and
the various regulatory exchanges would anticipate the market's
decline, hour by hour -- when Japan's markets opened the next day,
what would happen when the European markets, and all the inter-
linkages of the global markets. On the second day, US Special Forces
would be dropped in by parachute in the cities where the twelve
Federal Reserve district banks are located.
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=35861
Tell Bush & his Cabal to Fuck all Bailouts; can you not see what they are doing??????

[dondaz]

Fractal reserve banking is designed to con real wealth, ie land, gold & property etc from the masses. The whole Rothschild banking system is designed to steal the whole world from us through usery. Just as the Legal system is designed to userp Common Law and enslave us to unfair Statutes and Acts.

It's all a war on us so they can have it all.

These systems have been designed to take everythink and they will accept nothing less!

[oiram]

Fractal reserve banking is designed to con real wealth, ie land, gold & property etc from the masses. The whole Rothschild banking system is designed to steal the whole world from us through usery. Just as the Legal system is designed to userp Common Law and enslave us to unfair Statutes and Acts.
It's all a war on us so they can have it all.
These systems have been designed to take everythink and they will accept nothing less!Yes! My Friend you hit the nail right on his Head!

[oiram]

U.S. Drafts Sweeping Plan to Fight Crisis
As Turmoil Worsens in Credit Markets
Paulson Briefs Congress on Idea to Buy Bad Assets From Banks, Insure Money-Market Funds; Stocks Rebound Sharply http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122177442732653979.html

WASHINGTON -- The federal government is working on a sweeping series of programs that would represent perhaps the biggest intervention in financial markets since the 1930s, embracing the need for a comprehensive approach to the financial crisis after a series of ad hoc rescues.

At the center of the potential plan is a mechanism that would take bad assets off the balance sheets of financial companies, said people familiar with the matter, a device that echoes similar moves taken in past financial crises. The size of the entity could reach hundreds of billions of dollars, one person said.
War Communism
A predetermined policy or a pragmatic response?
http://www.johndclare.net/Russ6_WarCommunism.htm

A predetermined policy or a pragmatic response?
Authorities differ as to the rationale behind War Communism. Some view it as the result of the Bolsheviks’ preconceived desire to drive immediately forward to the suppression of capitalism. Robert Conquest considers that War Communism was entirely in line with Bolshevik precepts, and that "far from being a ‘war’ measure the ‘War Communism’ policy was a conscious attempt to create a new social order".1 Evan Mawdsley says that War Communism "was essentially the economic policy of victorious Bolshevism". The nationalisation of industry, the establishment of food detachments, and the restrictions upon private trade "had been developing at the centre and in the grass roots since the early winter of 1917-18". Furthermore: "The fact that the policies did not all come into force immediately after October was not due to any early moderation ... but simply to the fact that it took the new government a certain amount of time to gain a measure of control over the country."2 Paul Craig Roberts says that the policies of War Communism "were implicit in the doctrine of revolutionary Marxian socialism", and "constituted a Marxian economic programme".
CHAPTER SIX - BANK NATIONALISATION AND CONSCRIPTION, 1944 -1949.
http://www.geocities.com/nzhistory/Frank_Langstone/Frank_Langstone_1944-1949.htm

Financing the war effort became a new concern to Langstone, who believed "the greatest problem facing the country is the question of getting out of debt" (P.D. 1944, v265, p335). The national debt increased 114 million Pounds between 1941 and 1943, with a total of 392 million Pounds being spent on the war as of 1943. Ultimately New Zealand spent 640 million Pounds on the war. Taxation was another concern and Langstone sought a published list of all taxpayers and their sources of income, no doubt to pin-point those he believed should be paying more. He also wanted community-created property values taxed and taxes on dividend drawers, rather than on companies. He wanted the published list to be annual and cover all personal incomes from all sources, in order to make "spivs" justify their income (WTU Letter to Archie K., 9/5/1949. in Bert Roth papers). He criticised share holders making "lots of money", but opposed company taxes as they went into prices. He preferred land, death and personal taxes as they didn't feed into prices.
Communism and Democratic Socialism
and the creation of a "New Man"
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/cooray/westdem/chap13.htm

Communism and democratic socialism or interventionist welfarism (which has been the dominant force in law and government in the western world for the last few decades) in different ways attempt to create a "new man" through the establishment of a legal system based on equality, fairness and social justice.

The essential danger and destructiveness of the communist state in the 20th century is that it has not been satisfied only with controlling the political and economic affairs of society. In its totalitarian form, the communist state extends its domination into the personal and cultural being of man. It swallows up the individual and attempts to create and mould in its place a creature completely in the image of the ideology of the State.

How is this done? A brilliant case study is now to be found in Mikhail Heller's Cogs in the Wheel. The Formation of Soviet Man.

Lenin and the Bolsheviks seized power in 1917, not merely to nationalise the means of production and direct the economy through central planning. Their goal was wider than that: the creation of a New Soviet Man, freed from the bourgeois prejudices of the past.
Marxism, nationalisation and expropriation
http://www.workerspower.com/index.php?id=141,1243,0,0,1,0
Communists fight for the nationalisation of the major corporations. This means expropriating (taking away the property of) the banks, finance companies, landowners and the key industries, including transport, energy, food, healthcare and pharmaceuticals, construction, media, telecommunications and armaments (“defence”).

[oiram]

Systemic Failure of the United States- Game Over
Stock-Markets / Credit Crisis 2008 Sep 18, 2008 - 04:36 PM
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6337.html
By: Jim_Willie_CB

We are in historically unprecedented times. The foundation is being laid for a default of USTreasurys in the wake of the greatest regulatory failure in modern history, and the collapse of the US financial system. Anyone who cannot see that suffers from poor vision, chronic nostalgia, low mental
wattage, a paycheck from Wall Street, a post in financial press media, or owning an Economics advanced degree. So many changes come with each passing day, not week, that it boggles the mind. Many of us predicted $100 updays for gold, and we almost saw one. The wheels came off the US financial wagon long ago, but only now that fact is being recognized. The monetization largesse finally has gone beyond the corrupt bailouts of fraud kings on Wall Street.http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=35955
Comments:
Great article.
One thing to add, is the Hedge Funds and the mega trillions that the Bank for International Settlements do not see, the International Monetary Fund can not regulate, and no central bank will look at it... are the ones winning.
All this trillions of Financial Derivates and the bubbles of Sir Alan Greenspan... rest well in fiscal paradises, while the world is bailing out the looses of the banks that lend so much , the Carry Trade that drying out left credit crunch and the forex market that is not as strong as it was.
We have now more bubbles, very big ones. Electronict Trade Funds or ETFs, the iShares, the new gambling bets that the financiers with private bankers put in the "private or public " trade company.
IPOs are few.
Thanks to that great article, I am learning... what lenry said.. nobody between you an your money.
Let take care of your financies in a lean and personal way.. and protect the things we have... homes, land, physical economy, industries, infrastructure, food, farms, and raw materials.
Only the PHYSICAL ECONOMY will save the real humanity.. the virtual money of the Central Banks... is ruin nations, continets and the whole globe.

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The Islamic terrorist did not do this, the Russian or Chinese communist
did not do this to us.
To the secret services, your bosses the finance elites did this. They
are destroying the USA Republic.
They destroyed it from the inside out, it is done, only dictatorship
can rise out of this mess.
My way or the hell way, in truth it is getting past the time to act.
Only if you had let me operate in Iran or if not in Iran in other
places I could have turned the situation then.
Maybe now I still can.
Time to start, now,
Set up the think tanks and the NGO's get them moving. The first
step is the research and the books for revolutionaries. Then a little
monetary help as things progress.
The big outflow of money out of the country, the people will know
and they will know all from the net, the criminal investigations will start. No one will believe anything that the press says ever again. No one will
ever trust fiat paper or electronic currency again. The game is over.

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I think I agree with Vanny, that in the end the US dollar will be badly damaged if not completely killed. Also seems to be the opinion at Everbank, though they are perhaps not disinterested as they are selling foreign money. Still they seem to be honest about it, and it really does fit in with the next story up the sleeve of the American masters: Nobody is responsible for that outcome. Indeed the calamities so far treated seems to be completely devoid of any responsibility from any political leader.

I wonder if the population will prove unable to force any light on these matters. If there suddenly is an objective need for regulation now, wouldn't someone have the responsibility to forese exactly such a situation? Bring suggestions for actions? This is not just a matter of unforeseen bad weather, but a clear irresponsibility of the administration in neglecting the EVIDENT consequences of loose monetary politics, and NECESSARY actions to counter them. Instead the present administration ADDED to the mountain of debt, and COWARDLY avoided their very distinctly own, and very clearly defined RESPONSIBILITIES towards society.

One is not proving braveness by bombing poor, third rate countries. One does it by living up to responsibility, even if it harms one's selfish interest! Certainly some corporate morals has sneaked into the corridors of power! And don't get surprized by seeing some corporate "solutions" to be wasted into this ever-greedy black hole of America.

[synergy777]

oiram, good sites eg market oracle, daily reckoning, wsj, bloomberg. also check out my fave economist nouriel roubini. this man is straight to the point. also paul krugman is good and richard c cook from global research.

what we have witnessed is the public bailout of private greed. what we have witnessed is the end of the so called free market/western capitalism. what we have seen is communism in the diguise of govt buyout/bailout. the govt owns these banks/insurance companies, state ownership. the russians and chinese must be laughing their socks of at the west. they have the money and resources, we have nothing. and yet people cannot fathom the gravitas of recent economic events.

people see rallies and think everything is ok, rallies are due to govt injections/ppt, cheap buying, they are not a recovery. if it wasn't for govt assistance, our market would have collapsed. the govt buyouts are merely keeping us alive, we are on life support, we are not walking around cured. they are merely delaying the inevitable, and the paradox is, that the longer this assitance keeps the market going, the worse it will be in the end. thus i believe the elite are doing this on purpose, to make sure the collapse is as deep and destructive as it can possibly be. as this will in the end give them more power.

[oiram]

oiram, good sites eg market oracle, daily reckoning, wsj, bloomberg. also check out my fave economist nouriel roubini. this man is straight to the point. also paul krugman is good and richard c cook from global research.

what we have witnessed is the public bailout of private greed. what we have witnessed is the end of the soc alled free market/western capitalism. what we have seen is communism in the diguise of govt buyout/bailout. the govt owns these bank, state ownership. the russian and chinese must be laughing their socks of at the west. they have the money and resources, we have nothing. and yet people cannot fathom the gravitas of recent economic events.

people see rallies and think everything is ok, rallies are due to govt injections/ppt, cheap buying, they are not a recovery. if it wasn't for govt assistance, our market would have collapsed. the govt buyouts are merely keeping us alive, we are on life support, we are not walking around cured.they are merely delaying the inevitable, and the paradox is, that the longer this assitance keeps the market going, the worse it will be in the end. thus i believe the elite are doing this on purpose, (Yes 100% correct!) to make sure the collapse is as deep and destructive as it can possibly be. as this will in the end give them more power.Yes you are right on the mark!
Like I always said the entire Wall Street is just a Gambling Hole created for one function only to control the Population!
Just look at the people every time they create one more disaster the people are like hypnotised and lose track of the real issue and Game play!

This is just a dirty Game run by murdering maniacs; nothing else! The same families & Elites organised & executed WWII ! If they want to stop it tomorrow they could but they have a totally different agenda!

Paper money was never the problem its all about control of the slaves!

It's a slow process but people will find out soon what's the real deal!

The Elite is on self distraction mode!
Hope this will continue I'm sick of this Sociopaths (http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html) running the Show!

Paradise is around the corner! the "(WFT) World Federation of Truth" is winning!!

[synergy777]

oiram, mario backwards, lol

the elite are very astute, paitent and intelligent operators. by the elite i mean the non public elite, the real power. they run things with intelligence and stealth.

[burnzy]

You claim to be able (if given total power) to stop people dying unnecessarily, to stop the need for common authority (police), to allow total freedom to the individual.

Regardless of any hokum theories of Free Masons or whatever, what you suggest in the first half of your post is pure fantasy, if you want to understand why, read Darwin and bear in mind throughout that humanity is a species like any other.

[oiram]

You claim to be able (if given total power) to stop people dying unnecessarily, to stop the need for common authority (police), to allow total freedom to the individual.

Regardless of any hokum theories of Free Masons or whatever, what you suggest in the first half of your post is pure fantasy, if you want to understand why, read Darwin and bear in mind throughout that humanity is a species like any other.

Like you footer states ''What luck for rulers that men do not think.'' by Adolf Hitler (But he was Wrong!)
Yes! I could be wrong with everything and we can keep hiding but we will not be able to run away from the Truth and reality in the end!

The only Policing we need is to keep our Human morals under control! Who needs Police without morals???

I do not believe that we are the same like animals especially not when it comes to our logical brains! OK! I agree some are animal like! But that's only because of there controlled negative behaviour toward other Humans! Key word Sociopaths! (http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html)

You believe in Darwin theory I don't and go so far to say we did not even originate on this Planet! Only my personal natural feeling and Opinion!

Yes I absolutely do believe in the freedom of the individual! Because I do have my Freedom in my own individual way & know what I am talking about! Even that I have to live in this Earth Prison created by egoistic, greedy, Power seeking Free Masons !

Also I will never ever force anyone to agree with my opinions! In contrast to manipulative Free Masons in action! This is not just a theory I speak from real life experience! I was three times offered to join the Free Masons organisation and I refused because my soul is not a commodity which is for sale!

Only people like Free Masons using words & talk about Power, Control & Authority OVER OTHERS "Not Free individuals because they know what value individuality has!" Also they respect other Humans individuality & don't like to remove it from them!
In reality Free Masons are only Puppets of other Free Masons with higher degrees!
That's why Free Masons are so extremely Jealous & hate our Freedom so much!
Right? or Wrong?
Do I hate Free Masons No!! But most are ignorants self loving, self hating & the assholes of Humanity in our Society!
Don't give me the old bullshit excuse but not all are like this!
Better don't answer because I know and many others do too! That's the power of logic & Truth!

I am not just pointing this out here in my post I tell any Free Masons what I said here right into his Face because I did & not only ones!

[oiram]

Numbers on a computer screen.Numbers on a computer screen. = That was my version to explain it! :D

This should blows your mind!
OK look here; the small dark strip (CC) on the Bottom :eek: of the Graphic is real money the rest is on the Computer!:D
The gray top strip (M3) is the personal playing money for the Elite!
The entire market is just a fully controlled manipulated hypothetical big Game market to keep the Population enslaved!

Also Wall Street is just one big Gambling Hole for the Elite; run and controlled world wide by the Elite "Illuminati"
I would love to know where they keep the central Computer system; must be in one of there Bunkers in the US!

Not quite this simple but basically it! Also all Goverment except some are part of this dirty Game play!
That's why they are ALL traitors of Humanity; Criminals and Guilty by association!

That's why they call the one knowing there dirty business Terrorist & they are the chosen Angel blessed by Satan!

Fractional-reserve "manipulation & corruption" banking
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d0/Euro_money_supply_Sept_1998_-_Oct_2007.jpg/500px-Euro_money_supply_Sept_1998_-_Oct_2007.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking)
Can you see how easy it is to play & build in any corruption Games into the System they created since 1913!

Here are more Details how the Parasites operate there monkey Business: :mad:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking

Very Easy: and here is the trick to get there dirty corrupt system to collapse if you interested to help!
People always say they have no power Hah...! Bullshit if you only would know how much Power you have if you stick together!!!
All you need to do is to remove the small dark strip on the bottom of the Graphic and the Elite and the money changers are Toast! Jesus and God would love you for doing it!

Like I said so many times "they are absolute nobodies without us!"
Now you also know why they always keep the total control over our Schooling because they don't teach you shit to keep us retarded!
That's also the reason why they are controlling all the MSM World wide!

In a fractional-reserve banking system, in the event of a bank run, the demand depositors and note holders would attempt to withdraw more money than the bank has in reserves, causing the bank to suffer a liquidity crisis and, ultimately, to perhaps default. In the event of a default, the bank would need to liquidate assets and the creditors of the bank would suffer a loss if the proceeds were insufficient to pay its liabilities. Since public deposits are payable on-demand, liquidation may require selling assets quickly and potentially in large enough quantities to affect the price of those assets. An otherwise solvent bank (whose assets are worth more than its liabilities) may be made insolvent by a bank run. This problem potentially exists for any corporation with debt or liabilities, but is more critical for banks as they rely upon public deposits (which may be redeemable upon demand).

Although an initial analysis of a bank run and default points to the bank's inability to liquidate or sell assets (i.e. because the fraction of assets not held in the form of liquid reserves are held in less liquid investments such as loans), a more full analysis indicates that depositors will cause a bank run only when they have a genuine fear of loss of capital, and that banks with a strong risk adjusted capital ratio should be able to liquidate assets and obtain other sources of finance to avoid default. For this reason, fractional-reserve banks have every reason to maintain their liquidity, even at the cost of selling assets at heavy discounts and obtaining finance at high cost, during a bank run (to avoid a total loss for the contributors of the bank's capital, the shareholders).

[oiram]

If you Got enough money, that is billions, then its quite easy.

For a few weeks you buy up all stocks of something or change a large sum of money into another currency. Then the price of these stocks or the currency goes up in value since it has become more "popular", or at least it seems to have.

An example: You exchange your 5 billion british pounds into US dollars instead. So suddenly alot more british pounds are in circulation and less US dollars are, making the US dollar go up in value and the pounds going down in value. So if they then exchange these money back again, they would get a nice added sum of money by just moving their billions around a bit.Now that's what I call healthy Logic in Operation! Good thinking 99 !:D

But you know what is funny no one yet ask the logical Question "yet!":
If this is really the way they running everything; where do all these Billions come from "Hot Air" to Bailout all these Monkey Banks & Businesses which they also own in one or the other way!???? Hee! Hee! Hee!

Also I wait for one more logical question: How do they ever be able to pay our pensions we paid into the system for the last 50Years they pocketed! Hee! Hee! Hee!

That's right it's all just a game to get you all sociologically locked up in a nightmare which actually is just one big Illusion & is not real!

But you know how they solve the Pensions situation? Easy they just create a War where they Blow the shit out of the Baby boomer's! Hee! Hee!

They just manipulators that's all! All the credits they say they taking in your names is just a game to get your brains screwed up!

You are all Terrorists!! Oh! Sorry new Goverment created word Domestic Terrorists Hee! Hee!

Not to worry all the people and all "sheeples" will wake up; even if it's slowly! Just make sure you don't sign up to the Corrupt Governments War Games kill & die for nothing else then the Shit the corrupters of Humanity have created just from "Hot Air!"

I love the Truth & when People wake up to reality!

Game over the Elite & illuminati is soon Toast! Yes! Yes! Yes!

You know how you get the attention from the older generation! Very Easy just tell them there Pensions are Toast because of the Elites & Illuminati Game!

[oiram]

Rothshilds Yes! Yes! Yes! Finally Toast!

Rothshilds' IMF To Audit
The US Financial System
Dick Eastman
6-30-8
The IMF -- where Paul Wolfowitz went after carrying out his assignment at the Pentagon -- is the Rothschild instrument to enforce its interests. They are auditing the Fed to make sure that no policy and no action of the Fed or the US government will result in any repudiation of debt owed to the Rothshild's or in any way reduce the expected harvest of assets that the international bankers are expecting from the US collapse.
The IMF and the Federal Reserve should both be shown the door by the next president. The Federal Reserve needs to be shut down immediately -- but by the United States, not by international financiers.

Dick Eastman
Yakima,Washington


The German news group Spiegel is running this headline:


The International Monetary Fund Is About
To Audit The US Financial System
The Shrinking Influence of the US Federal Reserve
By Gabor Steingart in Washington

Humiliation for Mr. Dollar: Ben Bernanke, the chairman of the United States Federal Reserve Bank, faces a general investigation by the International Monetary Fund. Just one more example of the Fed losing its power.

The United States Federal Reserve Bank, or Fed, seems as much a part of America as Coca-Cola or Pizza Hut. But at least one difference has become apparent in recent days. While the pizza chain and soft-drink maker are likely to expand their scope of influence in the age of globalization, the US central bank is finding that its power is shrinking.

No Fed chief in US history has been forced to submit to the kind of humiliation that Ben Bernanke is facing.

This is partly down to circumstances. Inflation is going up and up, and this year's average will likely top 4 percent. But this time Mr. Dollar is also Mr. Powerless. He can raise interest rates in the fall, or he can pray, which would probably be the better choice. At least prayer would not prevent the US economy from growing, a highly likely outcome if interest rates go up.

After years of growth, the United States is now on the brink of a recession, one that is more likely to be deepened than softened by a tight money policy. Investments will automatically become more expensive, consumer spending will be curbed and economic growth will slow down, immediately affecting unemployment figures and wages.

The textbook conclusion is that this will stabilize the value of money, because no one will dare demand higher wages or higher prices. But the macroeconomics textbooks are no longer worth much in the age of globalization. Modern inflation is driven by the global scarcity of resources. Nowadays purchasing power exceeds purchasing opportunity. Most of all, there is not enough oil, and too few raw materials and food products. These increasingly scarce resources are becoming the focus of disputes among many people and billions of dollars are at stake.

This is why the price of a barrel of crude oil (159 liters) has increased from $25 (¤16) in 2002 to $135 (¤87) in 2008. And it is also why the price of corn has tripled in the same time period, while that of copper has almost quintupled.

If the inflation introduced in the United States is excluded, a small miracle is revealed, namely something approaching price stability. Adjusted for inflation, prices are in fact rising by only 2.3 percent. If this were the extent of it, the Fed chief could simply blink like an old watchdog and go back to sleep. Instead, he is barking loudly, which is his job. But he has lost his bite, because the Fed's interest rate policy can do nothing about the scarcity of goods.

Embarrassing Investigation

Some of Bernanke's personal adversaries are also contributing significantly to his current humiliation. In the past, the chairman of the Federal Reserve was a pope among the priests of the financial elite. But unlike his predecessor Alan Greenspan, Bernanke is finding that his policies are not universally accepted, even within the Fed.

The last seven decisions reached by the Federal Open Market Committee, which sets monetary policy, were accompanied by a growing number of dissenting votes. Bernanke's critics say that with his policy of cheap money -- in other words, recurring rate reductions -- he in fact helped fuel the inflation problem he is now trying to combat.

Another problem for Mr. Dollar is that it will be several months before his actions take effect. Officials with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) have informed Bernanke about a plan that would have been unheard-of in the past: a general examination of the US financial system. The IMF's board of directors has ruled that a so-called Financial Sector Assessment Program (FSAP) is to be carried out in the United States. It is nothing less than an X-ray of the entire US financial system.

As part of the assessment, the Fed, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), the major investment banks, mortgage banks and hedge funds will be asked to hand over confidential documents to the IMF team. They will be required to answer the questions they are asked during interviews. Their databases will be subjected to so-called stress tests -- worst-case scenarios designed to simulate the broader effects of failures of other major financial institutions or a continuing decline of the dollar.

Under its bylaws, the IMF is charged with the supervision of the international monetary system. Roughly two-thirds of IMF members -- but never the United States -- have already endured this painful procedure.

For seven years, US President George W. Bush refused to allow the IMF to conduct its assessment. Even now, he has only given the IMF board his consent under one important condition. The review can begin in Bush's last year in office, but it may not be completed until he has left the White House. This is bad news for the Fed chairman.

When the final report on the risks of the US financial system is released in 2010 -- and it is likely to cause a stir internationally -- only one of the people in positions of responsiblity today will still be in office: Ben Bernanke.

Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,562291,00.html

"Officials with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) have informed Bernanke about a plan that would have been unheard-of in the past: a general examination of the US financial system. The IMF's board of directors has ruled that a so-called Financial Sector Assessment Program (FSAP) is to be carried out in the United States. It is nothing less than an X-ray of the entire US financial system.

As part of the assessment, the Fed, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), the major investment banks, mortgage banks and hedge funds will be asked to hand over confidential documents to the IMF team. They will be required to answer the questions they are asked during interviews. Their databases will be subjected to so-called stress tests -- worst-case scenarios designed to simulate the broader effects of failures of other major financial institutions or a continuing decline of the dollar. "

This has the potential to unleash a flood of embarrassing questions, although I'd sure like to see an independent audit of things like, oh, Fort Knox. I've always wondered what the definition of 'deep storage' meant for gold, like "Does that mean it hasn't actually been mined yet?" I'm sure it doesn't, but with all the discussion about 'swaps' and such, a nice neat report in regular accounting language rather that govspeak would be worth reading. Deeply.

The IMF coming to audit the US should be huge headlines all over the US financial press, yet we learn of it midway through a Spiegel report.

Meantime, Australia's "The Age" Business section also reports that "IMF finally knocks on Uncle Sam's Door" Has the US financial press been snookered (again), or is it strange you may read about this here first before it hits the MSM? that would explain some of the recent 'circling of the wagons' by the US. Things like the "CFTC focuses on swaps, says 'Enron loophole' already closed" and the "SEC proposed reduced reliance of credit raters".

Add to that a UK Telegraph report that the Bush administration received up to $400 million for action against Iran, and you have circled wagons and a huge distraction at the ready to draw US citizen attention away from the state of the domestic financial situation. Another 'shock and odd' setup.

Oh, and there's a "Report: Iranian gets death for Israel spying."

http://www.rense.com/general82/audit.htm

[thegoodnessisgood]

Right on. good post. Feels closer to the truth than many I've read. (edit sorry this got hijacked, I meant the post where somebody was talking about how we have the power)

As for what Synergy777 said about their operating in confidence, I think that is true but only because they have been so comfortable for so long. As soon as the shift at the base begins, the base population - us - it will cause tremendous wobbling in their lofty parts. It already is.

[oiram]

How the IMF Props Up the Bankrupt Dollar System
By F. William Engdahl, US/Germany
http://www.serendipity.li/hr/imf_and_dollar_system.htm

One of the crucial pillars of support for today's Dollar System is Washington's control of the International Monetary Fund, the IMF. The way this actually works is carefully disguised, behind a facade of technocrats and economic theory of free market ideology. In reality, the IMF is a modern era collection agency for the Dollar Empire. It collects its tribute, through major international banks, who use the dollars to further extend the power of American financial and corporate hegemony, in effect the driving motor of what is globalization.

Ironically, though the IMF is a main prop of the Dollar System, it's nominally headed by a European, today a German, Horst Koehler, and before him, by a Frenchman, Michel Camdessus. The real power is carefully concealed behind the facade. Under the constitution of the IMF, no major decision is possible without 85% support of the board of directors. The United States, which drafted the original IMF charter at Bretton Woods New Hampshire in 1944, made sure it had the decisive veto control with an 18% vote share. That veto remains to today. Insiders know well that the IMF is run by Washington. It is no accident that its headquarters is also there.

The IMF was originally created in the 1944 Bretton Woods New Hampshire international monetary conference, called by President Roosevelt to set up a postwar monetary and trade system. It was intended as a fund to support stability of currencies and trade of the postwar European allied countries. At that time Washington held the vast bulk of world gold reserves and expected to lend dollars to rebuild Europe. The original IMF idea was to pool a share of reserves of member states, which any single state could then borrow, in event of a short term payments crisis, to stabilize their currency. Ten years after the Great Depression, the major industrial nations, including the USA, were concerned with creation of a stable, growing Europe, not least as an export market for US products. The first member to borrow was Great Britain after the war. The last European state was Italy in 1977.

Here are some big boys Names!
Chart of who "owns" the Federal Reserve
http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html
http://www.save-a-patriot.org/bbs/bbs.html


Directors of Federal Reserve Banks and Branches
http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/listdirectors/default.cfm

Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence
Published 1976 http://www.rumormillnews.com/WHO_OWNS_FED.htm

Chart 1 reveals the linear connection between the Rothschilds and the Bank of England, and the London banking houses which ultimately control the Federal Reserve Banks through their stockholdings of bank stock and their subsidiary firms in New York. The two principal Rothschild representatives in New York, J. P. Morgan Co., and Kuhn,Loeb & Co. were the firms which set up the Jekyll Island Conference at which the Federal Reserve Act was drafted, who directed the subsequent successful campaign to have the plan enacted into law by Congress, and who purchased the controlling amounts of stock in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in 1914. These firms had their principal officers appointed to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors and the Federal Advisory Council in 1914. In 1914 a few families (blood or business related) owning controlling stock in existing banks (such as in New York City) caused those banks to purchase controlling shares in the Federal Reserve regional banks. Examination of the charts and text in the House Banking Committee Staff Report of August, 1976 and the current stockholders list of the 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks show this same family control.

[oiram]

Government To Steal $15,000 From Every American Household To Bailout Big Banks and Lenders http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/09/21/government-to-steal-15000-from-every-american-household-to-bailout-big-banks-and-lenders/
If someone came into your home and held you at gunpoint and forced you to fork over $15 thousand dollars in cash (provided, of course, you kept such a large amount at home), you’d call the cops as soon as you could, wouldn’t you? In fact, if you had a gun at home, you might even try and shoot the bastards before they could get away with your money.

But what happens when it is the U.S. government that is about to break into your house and make off with that much money? Whom do you call? Batman?

And yet, that is exactly how much money, thus far, the current round of government bailouts of big financial institutions is costing American households.

When you add up the $700 billion dollars of taxpayers’ money the government wants to spend to buy up all that bad debt out there, with the money already pledged to take over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, AIG and to help broker the Bear Stearns/JPMorgan Chase deal, “A $700 billion fund would push the total pledged to combat the crisis to $1.8 trillion, or $15,000 per U.S. household, says a Reuters analysis.

No Help For The Rest Of Us

While the big boys will apparently get their burdens lifted, so far, there is nothing in the proposed plan for those who are about to foreclose on their home, or can’t find a job, or can’t afford health insurance or can’t afford gas for the car or heat for the home or food for the table.

In fact, this past Friday, even after the bailout was announced to a stunned world, the average rate on a 30 year, fixed rate mortgage actually went up to 6.11 percent from 6.07 just the day before, says the Associated Press. We are clearly not out of the woods yet!

Would the alternative be worse? Maybe. Maybe not. But I can tell you this: This entire bailout is happening so fast , in such a crisis atmosphere, red lights should be blinking and alarm bells sounding from sea to shining sea.Don't you Americans forget you got to add 3 to 5 Trillion Dollars to your Tax bill for the Bogus Wars your Goverment organised in your Names!
So you guys expect the rest of the World to pay for your own criminal corrupt Goverment Fuck-ups! Hah! Fuck you all & pay for your own created Shit!
All these criminals are doing is deliberately killing & destroying the entire system!
All started of with 9/11 continued with bogus wars & murdering innocent people for egoistic greed!
I think the Top Jews finally got the message and packing there bags to live & move to there Holly Home land!
Now they sucking out the last $$$$ and make you pay for it. A Fucking Animal System!

Your Wall Street corrupt criminal Gambling Hole has to be shut down in the interest of the common good!

Fuck this working my ass of & paying my taxes to the corrupter's too cover there dirty crimes toward the entire Humanity!
Don't these Fuckers ever end up in front of a court & in jail! Who the Fuck are they? Fuck we do and only for parking in the wrong place! What a hypocritical corrupt fucked up System!
They all have to get the Death sentence with no trial! "Full Stop"
I'm sure every Fucking Bank & Company which they bailing out now will be belong to a Fucking corrupt Jew!

Fucking Communistic style system!
When the fucking Sheeples will Wake Up?? What else is required to see reality! Expose a nice slow death will do the trick!

Ones this bogus Bailout which still represents "minus value" is in the system you better get your money out before they blown it in one month!

America is down the Toilet for eternity!

[oiram]

Comment from another Forum: http://www.g o d l i k e p r o d u c t i o n s.com/forum1/message612654/pg1
The global power elites are trying to FUCK us over big time right now. When we need help we are just a bunch of welfare losers, useless food stamp eaters and foreclosed on whiners, but when the bankers want help we should drop everything that we are doing and write them a blank check?
Fuck them!
This is just another step towards our own enslavement and for what? To help the most greedy, corrupt, lying warmongers walk away with millions and hundreds of millions more of our hard earned money(worthless federal reserve bank notes, which are nothing more than funny paper money) in the form of profits for them and debt slavery for the rest of us.
Fuck them!
This is the time to draw a line in the sand and say enough!
You can't have another fucking penny from the working poor and middle class.
We need to abolish the federal reserve banking system, print our own money in the form of gold, silver and precious metals which is real money and tell these financial parasites to FUCK OFF!
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so the Rothschilds have a serious agenda to fuck America over and bring it's downfall?.
So how can America fight back when most of it's own leaders are payed up members of the illuminati and part of the conspiracy?.
Look what happened to JFK when he tried to sanitise the whole money system and bring back a silver standard-backed currency. The same thing happened to Lincoln who wanted America to have its own independant greenback currency not reliant on the international bankers.
US presidents are well aware of what happens to anyone who gets in the way of the NWO agenda.
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For the 109th time.... it's NOT the fucking government!!!!!! The Federal Reserve is privately owned by the Rothschilds, they create 'money' out of thin air via the fractional reserve lending system. Their grip on the world is why we are so fucked.
I urge you all to set aside 3 and a half hours and download / watch this video - it was made in 1995 but lucidly predicts exactly what is going on right now. It plots the history of banking in America and how the Federal Reserve came into being in 1913. It is, for want of a better word, a scam, a smokescreen. It was called the Federal Reserve for a reason - to deceive - it is not Federal, and there are no reserves.
The video is called Money Masters - How International Bankers Control America. Download it HERE: [link to nw0.info] (http://nw0.info/index.php?p=Documentaries/Money%20Masters%20-%20How%20Int.%20Bankers%20Control%20America/%20(700mb))
It is simply the best documentary I have ever seen. Every citizen of this world needs to see it. And right now. And in the meantime, forget about the Fed = Government - it's NOT! We are being scammed by crooks!
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"They" are gaining control. In the process the extremely rich, those that are really in control, are going to get even richer what with the fire sales and all on the large corporations. This is how it works. We are little sheep and we are here to serve whether we like it or not.... this is all pre-planned and well organized.
Now the only way we can stop it will not be pretty, and the majority are too fat, dumb, and lazy, to do anything at all as they do not realize that their own wool is being pulled over their eyes.
When the shit hits the fan... and it will very soon, most will wonder what happened.
Few will be pre prepared.
Most will not. They will be too busy wondering what Paris is wearing, who she is dating, fucking. Or they will be glued to their computers that they bought on credit along with everything else they own.... and really cannot afford.
We do have a choice.
What will you choose?

[oiram]

Actually I just ask a friend today what happens ones Germany's Banking went down!
My question was what happened to all the people which had credits with the Banks he said they just gone because there was no one to claim them anymore because the Banks are finished!

Not sure if he was right; but should be like this if the Banks are collapsed totally! Or even better ALL Bankers are in Jail or better even ALL are dead! No one there to have anymore claim! Right? Dead people usually can not claim anything anymore in my Book of logic!
Better they don't Bailout anyone in this case! We paying for our own graves!

Not only this in our time we can prove they are clearly a totally criminal organisations backed by our own Governments!

This should be a good option for all people which have credits with any Bank!
Ones they all collapsed in one go; then we all free of our debt!

Maybe they know this fact???
Is this the reason for there Bailouts with money which doesn't even Exist except on a Wall Street Computer screen??http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon3.gifhttp://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon3.gif

Just look at it only the Dark strip on this Graphic is real money the rest is hypothetical and written on paper and shows up on a Computer screen only!
That's right it's all just a Computer Game nothing more! All people need to say full stop no more!
Can you see the real scam! Yes that's all it is a scam of the best! Could be stopped tomorrow!
Think about it very carefully & Logically I'm not Joking because it's reality!!
You do not need to have a PHD to work out this scam!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d0/Euro_money_supply_Sept_1998_-_Oct_2007.jpg/500px-Euro_money_supply_Sept_1998_-_Oct_2007.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking

If you people only would know how the Bankers asses are going right now!
Because they are very worry that we figure out there entire scam in detail!

Just look at the MSM they working overtime to keep the people brainwashed and confused!

[oiram]

.:eek::D:eek: GOVERNORS CONFIRMS BANKS WILL RUN OUT OF MONEY
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=518675&posted=1#post518675

OFFICIAL DATA FROM THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD OF GOVERNORS CONFIRMS BANKS WILL RUN OUT OF MONEY TO LEND BY LATE THIS YEAR

OUR "FRACTIONAL RESERVE" BANKING SYSTEM WILL COLLAPSE NOT LATER THAN 2009


http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/BOGNONBR

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg145/2tuff2006/BOGNONBR_Max_630_378.pnghttp://sportspicksrus.com/images/Laughing_Hyena_Cartoon.gifFinally!

[oiram]

The Power of financial capitalism had Hi,
Dunno if you have has seen this website (http://www.bilderberg.org/bis.htm) before, very interesting read, I think...hopefully it will answer questions, enjoy! ;)Yup! Good Link Thanks!
Carrol Quigley - the bankers' plan
"The Power of financial capitalism had [a] far reaching plan, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole.

This system was to be controlled in a feudalistic fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences.

The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks, which were themselves private corporations.

Each central bank sought to dominate its government by its ability to control treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence co-operative politicians by subsequent rewards in the business world."

[oiram]

Welcome to the final stages of the coup...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/welcome-to-the-final-stag_b_127990.html
Now, if you do not yet understand that the Wall Street crisis is a man-made disaster done through intentional deregulation and corruption, I have a bridge in Alaska to sell to you (or Sara Palin does anyway). This manufactured crisis is now to be remedied, if the fiscal fascists get their way, with the total transfer of Congressional powers (the few that still remain) to the Executive Branch and the total transfer of public funds into corporate (via government as intermediary) hands.
Stupid shit they talk bailout and the oil goes to the roof! WTF...!
Where is the logic or are the big boys just pissed off with the slaves???

[allure]

OP, is your first language English? If so, are you sure your own IQ is 100?

[oiram]

OP, is your first language English? If so, are you sure your own IQ is 100?No it's my third one; sorry for this!
You better off to look at my contents & not so much at my spelling!:o:D
Most of the IQ tests I tried & past had a lot to do with logic not so much with writing and spelling!

[tracker]

No it's my third one; sorry for this!
You better off to look at my contents & not so much at my spelling!:o:D
Most of the IQ tests I tried & past had a lot to do with logic not so much with writing and spelling!


don't you just hate it when people who claim to be so intelligent , have missed the whole message , and make an effort just to show simple grammar or literature mistakes , then actually having the simple ability to grasp the message or the issue ?

what a bloody waist of time and thought effort they waist , not only on them selves , but on others too .

fancy that , a human spell check ? up your jacksy so far , it's hard to tell where our grammar ends and his crap starts .

lol

forget them , they have long long winter nights and don't get out much .:D

oops ? was that "don't" or"dont" or did i mean " do not" or "doughnut" ?:D

[realitycheck]

don't you just hate it when people who claim to be so intelligent , have missed the whole message , and make an effort just to show simple grammar or literature mistakes , then actually having the simple ability to grasp the message or the issue ?

what a bloody waist of time and thought effort they waist , not only on them selves , but on others too .

fancy that , a human spell check ? up your jacksy so far , it's hard to tell where our grammar ends and his crap starts .

lol

forget them , they have long long winter nights and don't get out much .:D

oops ? was that "don't" or"dont" or did i mean " do not" or "doughnut" ?:D


well said!

[oiram]

don't you just hate it when people who claim to be so intelligent , have missed the whole message ,This is a Key point and you should take note of what I say now! (Just look how much I am able to write about a trivial point like this)
But it is actually very important!

Always remember and ask WHY! Because everything has a reason "everything" no matter negative or positive & all problems can be resolved if you analyze them in a positive, constructive and productive way! You may call it "Ying Yang"! Balancing everything!

Actually I Love them & no need for hating these individuals because for ones they give them selfs away & it talks Volumes to me about there personality, character & weakness!
Secondly they never able to penetrate or disturb my self confidence!http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif
Usually these types of people have a tunnel vision & are very jealous of other peoples ability's!

There is a perfect saying describing this behaviour: ( Empty Drums make a lot of Noise!)http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif


Also these individuals remind me of my Ex Boss = (Typical Free Mason & Manager type!)! :D

You know what my Boss did regularly when he had his side inspection's and he could find absolutely nothing wrong; he pointed to something which has absolutely nothing to do with the area or the inspection & said things like this "why did we not move these rocks over to a different Place"!:eek:

That's the Free Mason & Top management School!
1) Never ever tell anyone that they did well!
2) If there is nothing to be said; just say something even if it's totally out of concept, stupid or idiotic!
3) Make your self look important so people think nothing could be done without your present & input!:D
4) Welcome to the World of Rhetoric & Politics!

Ones you figured out the Free Masons intimidation tactics & Schooling they are lost & helpless and usually get out of your way! Good Fun! :p

You see that's the trick & key point I learned from life experience; just try to turn Hate & dislike into Love, Truth & knowledge!http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

I love the Truth & Truth is Power over Satan's ways!
Helping others to understand reality & truth is Love!

If these individuals really would have more knowledge; then they would give a comment like this "You know your post actually got some good points but you got some spelling wrong; but you know what; I will send you a PM and tell you what needs to be corrected"

Now this is what I would call positive criticising with a helping touch! (Appears I am the only one who uses this principal & I received tonnes of respect from others for doing so!)

If people only have something negative to say without a solution attached to it is just being a hypocrite of the best!

Hope you learned something important from my Comment here?

[oiram]

what we have witnessed is the public bailout of private greed. what we have witnessed is the end of the so called free market/western capitalism. what we have seen is communism in the diguise of govt buyout/bailout. the govt owns these banks/insurance companies, state ownership. the russians and chinese must be laughing their socks of at the west. they have the money and resources, we have nothing. and yet people cannot fathom the gravitas of recent economic events.

people see rallies and think everything is ok, rallies are due to govt injections/ppt, cheap buying, they are not a recovery. if it wasn't for govt assistance, our market would have collapsed. the govt buyouts are merely keeping us alive, we are on life support, we are not walking around cured. they are merely delaying the inevitable, and the paradox is, that the longer this assitance keeps the market going, the worse it will be in the end. thus i believe the elite are doing this on purpose, to make sure the collapse is as deep and destructive as it can possibly be. as this will in the end give them more power.This one fits perfectly to your comments!
The Fed is Making a Killing on Banking Crisis (Like I Predicted)
http://www.henrymakow.com/the_fed_is_making_a_killing_on.html

September 19, 2008
by Henry Makow Ph.D.

(Updates "Is the Illuminati Provoking an Economic Collapse?" Sept 16)

The price tag for bailing out the US financial system may exceed $1.3 trillion dollars.

The purchase price for the two mortgage lenders, and Bear Stearns and AIG is over $300 billion. The assumption of the bad loans held by the banks may cost an additional one trillion dollars.

If the US Treasury created its own money, this might be bearable. But last I heard the system of money creation has not changed. I'm not an economist but it seems that the Fed is making a killing on our banking woes. The Fed is creating this "money" out of thin air and using it to buy US Treasury Notes and Bonds. The Treasury (i.e. US taxpayers) are on the hook for these securities plus interest. In other words, The banksters are a trillion dollars richer thanks to this bail out.

So while it looks like the Fed is riding to our rescue, in fact it is doing a brisk business. And the US is falling so far into "debt" that political independence is a thing of the past.

The central bankers appear to be trying to fend off a Depression. Perhaps they want to postpone the financial breakdown for reasons of their own. As a friend said, "I guess they want their shit bomb to explode after the election."Many more good Articles Here: http://www.henrymakow.com/archives.html

[oiram]

.G'Day oiram,
Yeah, my mate cheeney just moved here and he copped the same shit from the customs, but these little Hitlers will soon wake up once the shit really hits the fan, we'll just have to help them along with the waking up bit.
Actually when I think back and all the time I lived in Oz; things are real great and all appears to be in total harmony with nature; but one thing always bugged me from the start which somehow did not fit into Oz; which are these Cop's especially if it is a woman Cop very nasty little shits!
Don't know they must be from another planet! Or special OPS supplied by the Bankers!
Who actually pays them I start to think they getting there little bonuses from the Bankers so they are giving us the shits for nothing!

Just imagine if they would be able to get different or recycle the screwed up women in Oz, no more Taxes, no more Cop's; Australia really would turn into paradise on Earth!

Shit lets get the show on the road; this would work no worries at all!
Who knows if we very lucky this will happen anyway ones they get rid of these Parasites controlling all & everything!

Also I tell you if I would have the finger on the money press in Oz everyone in Oz would have his own House his car his Boat & a small shop if he likes to run one and I keep making money for all and everything no interest for any loans nothing no Taxes Hospital & medicals free! And the same would apply for every single Aborigine which is the real Australian anyhow!

I always wondered why it actually is not like this in Oz only having 21 million people! But I know now exactly why, it's actually a small problem to solve it!
Is Australia not absolutely self sufficient to have enough for everyone? I would say absolutely!

You guys get rid of the entire Goverment and I actually have the concept master-plan already for the last two years on my computer; to make Australia Paradise over night; and I'm not shitting you! I'm serious!
Also my service to all Australians would be absolutely free!
If you like my concept & you need more details you can give me a call!

This is my Key Question Who really owns Australia the Goverment, the US, England, the Jews, the Bankers, God or All Australians??????????

Ones you can answer this question then I don't know what really stops all Australians to make Oz Paradise! Is it not all & every Australian together which makes Australia what it is????? The absolute strange thing is why no one ever ask him self this questions?
I do every day!
How many Australians would agree with something like this 50%....70% ....90%.... 95% ????
I'm not joking here! Who are we fighting anyway??

Who is the Australian Goverment, the Army the Cops are working for?? Aren't they also Australian like you and me????? Sorry but what the fuck is going on really?

Why is not one Australian person asking this questions to the New Baby Face Prime Minister just for Fun = who owns Australia really, who are you working for, are you Australian or not??


Is it not also strange that some Oz Guys are going into other country's to play War games & kill some innocent Afghans & Iraqi's which did not do anything to any Australian! But these same individuals would not fight in or for there own Country and people which is Hijacked by a system we don't even know who it is by Name!
But the fact is that Australia must be Hijacked by someone or something! "Right?"

Do I have a point here or not? Then let's evolve! This really can be applied to every country on earth!

So this is my question to all Americans: Who really owns America the ones sitting in your Goverment, Israel, some Jew, England, God or all Americans own America???? So who are you fighting anyway? So if you would not Vote for your Goverment would mean America is automatically belong to all Americans again
"Am I right or wrong?"

Shit this is so frustrating; am I alone on this Planet, I must be a Alien or am I God?: I don't know is this only my Brain which thinks like this; or is there some other Brains on this Earth thinking logically?

Let's say I do have a good point here then just send my comment to anyone you know! Is this not what everyone looks for a Solution?????
The Military- Do We Need It?
First let me say that I do truly do believe that humanity is going through a magnificent rise in consciousness and that completely peaceful world is perfectly possible. War is not a product of the natural human state; it is an aberration. But after 2012 (or whenever) and the Illuminati are gone, we won’t all wake up suddenly one morning as priests of High Atlantis. World peace will not happen straight away, nor will it be easy to achieve. There will be a transitional period during which violence might still occur. In that situation it will be necessary to form armed organizations to defend our communities.Good to see you around again my friend!
Military would not be a problem if it would not get abused from particular interest groups!

But I also hope that we will do without it one day ones we ready!

Just think about it if they would not send the Military into other country's to do someones dirty work the Military would not be required!

If people are allowed to have there own weapon at home and People would just naturally use it only for self-defence of there own property this would make the Military really obsolete in a way!
Should anyone externally tries to attack a country for fun I believe many would volunteer to defend there own Backyard!
This is natural self defence mode!

Of-cause we need the baseline that weapons like nuclear weapons get destroyed & chemical warfare weapons get banned right out!

And the ones don't agree with such logical move will just get all the existing Nukes dumped on top of them; Problem solved!:D

Let's be realistic the only ones appearing to have a need for this Weapons are our sick Leaders & Goverments!
Ask every normal Human and he will say that we do not need weapons of mass destruction!
The way the mind set is right now people still have fear because this weapons are still around and because the devision between the people still exists!
This is a process which need a bit of time but I believe it is absolutely possible! It's all just education really no matter what country or group we are talking about!

That's why we are here to get this organised "Right!" it's up to us all!

I already have my own master plan and I would say 90% of the entire world population would agree!

Here are some of my stupid ideas, Comments, logical opinions & conclusions! But I am only one single brain what's about having thousands of none egoistical good logical brains!

You could easily move freaking mountain's you know! I just about can do it by my self; at least in my logical brain!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=492967&postcount=26

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34528
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=520115

Basically Yes I'm absolutely 110% optimistic & everything is possible if it's done by using Logic, Truth & Honesty!

People right now are still living in this manipulated Matrix that's why they can not imagine Paradise!
I can & got this in my mind already for the last 30 years!
If the sheeples now would have God in-front of them; they would tell him to fuck-of; yes that's how blocked the people are right now!

[oiram]

Scam, corruption, Scam, corruption, Scam, corrupt

It's all about market control, creating devisions, hate & sheeple control nothing else; money is man made, the market is man made & just a great big computer game nothing else!
It's all about power over others!
Laws are crated by criminals for the criminal!


People use your logic & wake up; free your self's from the old matrix start to be a individual Human!
Get rid & free your selfs from the criminals living from manipulation, murdering, self created wars & corruption!
Why so many people always looking for a Babysitter?

Just look at it the dark strip is paper money the rest is just a computer game!
People don't need a PHD to work out this scam and manipulation game to keep the sheeples sociologically enslaved!
Why people make Governments there God?
It's all just an illusion; it's not real and just a smart game! Evolution that's all what's needed!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d0/Euro_money_supply_Sept_1998_-_Oct_2007.jpg/500px-Euro_money_supply_Sept_1998_-_Oct_2007.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking)

All you see on the Graphic was created the same way as I will describe now!
What do you think where the 700 billion come from for the planned bailout; yes it comes from nothing; then they just add it to the computer game; and asking for interest; which is criminal in its self because money doesn't exist! Who will pay the Interest; the peoples "sheeples" which are to dumb to see the real criminal scam!
Next they have to add another 5 trillion to the Computer game to pay for the Bogus Wars they created them selfs and you pay the interest again!

And around, around it goes! new created War we need more Weapons And around, around it goes! self created Alien invasion we need more Military we need more money And around, around it goes! we need a moon station we need more money And around, around it goes! we need to send man to Mars on the TV only more money And around, around it goes! we need a man on Jupiter we need more money And around, around it goes! new self created War we need more money And around, around it goes! a meteorite or Planet-X will hit Earth soon we need special weapons more money And around, around it goes! Global Warning to many Sun spots we have to create Ice on the North Pole we need money And around, around it goes! we organised with Putin that he will attack us, we need more Defences we need more moneyAnd around, around it goes! we created more terrorists and false Flag Attacks the Hindus are our enemy's we need to protect the world we need more moneyAnd around, around it goes! we have a new African enemy because we supplied nukes to them we need more moneyAnd around, around it goes! ......etc.....etc All this will be indoctrinated to you by Goverment Schools, Church organisation & all MSM's! All people which find out about our scam will be eliminated in our domestic Terrorist concentration camps!

Can you still not see the freaking scam??? Then just keep eating grass; that's why they will always have self created Wars because it's part of there system to keep people enslaved & them selfs in power positions; not because we don't have enough oil!
That's why millions had to die in WWI & WWII ! Thats why your people die for shit in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq & all other Historical revolutions & wars!

This is the scam of the money changers which your Jesus warned you about and he kicked them out of his temple!
The temple represents YOU "your body mind and soul"

Freaking Aliens, UFOs, Global Warming, peek oil all this shit is just a freaking game to keep the people retarded!
Did you go to the moon I say Yes on TV only because it's the perfect scam & way to fool the people to pull trillions out of your pockets!

Yes this corrupt criminal anti Christ, anti Humanity business is run & controlled by your best Friends there puppet Masters & pimps!

Wake Up!

[oiram]

Theoretically 2% to 5% have to end up in jail!
Theoretically at least 2% to 5% of the world population needs to end up in jail!

But aren't Judges & Lawyers part of the System an paid off puppets?
They are using self created Roman monopolised double standard laws that's clear!

Still big problems need to be sorted out!

What's about the Lichtenstein CD incident showing 1750 individuals hiding there corruption money in Lichtenstein?
How many in front of a court yet?
How many in jail yet? What sentence do they get?
Why do court cases take so long and just waisting money again just to protect the corrupter's of Humanity?
What's about Switzerland hiding all corrupter's from the entire world? What's about all other save heavens?

So easy just get a Computer print out problem solved! (What are you protecting Hah! The Corrupter's of Humanity??

How many ended up in jail yet???????????? Judges Hah! Laws Hah!
Same shit same company ruled by the same cabal!!!!!

Moral hazard; bailing out, paying Corrupter's & Criminals! WTF????


No one is & should be above the Law of Truth!

I agree fully agree with Death Penalty; for ALL major Corrupter's!

Let's say major greed corruption starts anything above a Million Dollars value!

All greed Corruption above a value of 100,000 Dollar; live in Prison! All corrupted money to be returned to there rightful owners!

Anyone would disagree with penalty's like this? (Please explain why it would be wrong!)
Who & what would you protect??????



Corruption, Corrupt System & Double standards, Corrupt Courts, Corruption everywhere what has to do with Governments & Bankers & Cooperations!
Second Committee Approves Draft Resolution Condemning All Forms of Corruption Hah! Hah! (http://www.unis.unvienna.org/unis/pressrels/2005/gaef3138.html)
Samsung execs called for questioning in continuing corruption probe (http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/01/samsung-execs-called-for-questioning-in-continuing-corruption-pr/)
The Lichtenstein Connection (http://blog.b92.net/text/2395/The%20Lichtenstein%20Connection/)
Only minor convictions in corruption case against ISL executives (http://playthegame.org/News/Up_To_Date/Only_minor_convictions_in_corruption_case_against_ ISL_executives_0907001.aspx)
German Postal Service Privatizer Arrested for Tax Fraud in Lichtenstein Scheme (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/02/15/german-postal-service-privatizer-arrested-tax-fraud-lichtens.html)
Second Committee approves draft resolution condemning all forms of corruption (http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2005/gaef3138.doc.htm)Suharto's Swiss businesses (http://www.angelfire.com/rock/hotburrito/suharto/1aditjondro260398.html)
...etc...etc...etc & so on! & on & on! & on! & on! & on! & on! & on! & on! & on! & on! & on!

Wake up People!

[oiram]

All "the truth" Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/09/24/ahmadinejad.us.iran/index.html)
(CNN) -- In a blistering speech before the United Nations General Assembly, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad blamed "a few bullying powers" for creating the world's problems and said the "American empire in the world is reaching the end of its road."
At the United Nations, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said countries are turning their backs on "bullying powers."

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/meast/09/24/ahmadinejad.us.iran/art.ahmadinejad.ap.jpg

And while he insisted Iran's nuclear activities are peaceful, Ahmadinejad blamed the same powers for seeking to hinder it "by exerting political and economic pressures on Iran, and threatening and pressuring" the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Those powers, meanwhile, are building or maintaining nuclear stockpiles themselves, unchecked by anyone, he said.

As Ahmadinejad spoke, the only person at the United States table was a note-taker; no U.S. diplomat was present. When President Bush spoke earlier Tuesday, however, Ahmadinejad was in the room.

CNN's Chief International Correspondent Christiane Amanpour said Ahmadinejad's comments were some of the most conciliatory he had made to the United States.

"As long as the aggressors, because of their financial, political and propaganda powers, not only escape punishment, but even claim righteousness, and as long as wars are started and nations are enslaved in order to win votes in elections, not only will the problems of the global community remain unsolved, but they will be increasingly exacerbated," the Iranian leader said.

He accused the United States of oppressing Iraqis with six years of occupation, saying Americans were "still seeking to solidify their position in the political geography of the region and to dominate oil resources." Video Watch Ahmadinejad say the "American empire" is nearing "the end of its road" »

Meanwhile, he said, Palestinians have undergone "60 years of carnage and invasion ... at the hands of some criminal and occupying Zionists." Video Watch Ahmadinejad blast U.S., Israel, "bullying powers" »
(http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/09/24/ahmadinejad.us.iran/index.html#cnnSTCVideo)
He said Zionists in Israel "have forged a regime through collecting people from various parts of the world and bringing them to other people's land, by displacing, detaining and killing the true owners of that land."

The Security Council, he said, "cannot do anything, and sometimes under pressure from a few bullying powers, even paves the way for supporting these Zionist murders."

He stopped short of calling for Israel to be politically wiped off the map as he has in the past. He called for "a free referendum in Palestine for determining and establishing the type of state in the entire Palestinian lands."

Ahmadinejad pointed to what he said are signs of hope, saying an increasing number of nations are turning their backs on "the bullying powers" and seeking to establish new relations.

"Today the Zionist regime is on a definite slope to collapse," he said.

The Anti-Defamation League released a statement saying the Iranian leader showed he "is deeply infected with anti-Semitism" and displayed "the true threat the Iranian regime poses to Israel, the United States and the West."

Hours before Ahmadinejad's speech, Bush told the General Assembly that Iran was among the nations that "continue to sponsor terror."

"Yet their numbers are growing fewer, and they're growing more isolated from the world," Bush said.

Bush also said U.N. members needed to enforce sanctions against Iran for failing to suspend its nuclear program, which the United States and other Western nations believe is intended to develop nuclear weapons.

Before Ahmadinejad spoke to the U.N., he told CNN's Larry King that he is willing to meet with presidential candidates Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama -- even in front of the media -- to discuss world issues and debate.
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* View excerpts from the interview transcript

But he has no preference between the two, he said in the interview that aired Tuesday night on "Larry King Live." Video Watch Ahmadinejad discuss the role of the next U.S. president »

"We believe that these are issues relating to the domestic affairs of the United States," Ahmadinejad told Larry King of the presidential race, according to a transcript of the interview.

"And decisions pertaining to that must be made by the American people. And it's not important to us either," Ahmadinejad said. "What matters essentially is that the president that is chosen by the American people should adopt a path and a policy approach and for us to observe the policy approach.

"This is the campaign period, anyone can say anything. So we disregard that. What matters is that once someone is in office, we have to watch and see if that person will bring about some changes in policy or continue the same old path."

Ahmadinejad was in New York City for the United Nations General Assembly meeting, which began Tuesday.

"I have said that, in fact, on this very trip, currently in New York, that I am ready to speak with the presidential candidates before the press," he told Larry King. "I believe that we've really done whatever we could do in this respect." Video Watch Ahmadinejad say he'd debate U.S. presidential candidates »

Asked whether he fears a U.S. attack, Ahmadinejad told King that attacking Iran would be the "worst thing the U.S. government can do ... I think that in the United States, there are enough reasonable people, smart people, who would not allow the U.S. government to make such a big mistake."

Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, meanwhile, would be "the best scenario," Ahmadinejad said. "But I think that it needs a timetable ... the presence of the United States there has not reduced tension and it has not limited terrorism either. In fact, it has increased terrorism."

On hostility between the United States and Iran, Ahmadinejad told King: "The hostility has not been from our end. Up to this day, we have always been interested in having friendly relations."

Iran, he said later, "throughout history ... has demonstrated that it is a nation that is for peace and friendly with others."

And he insisted Iran's nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, despite Western nations' concern to the contrary.

"Their concerns about us are not new," he told King of the West. "They've always been concerned. They were the ones who inspired Saddam [Hussein] to attack Iran and get us involved in an eight-year war. The terrorist groups that killed our president, our prime minister, our officials, are now freely asked to live in the Western countries."

The nuclear issue, he said, has been politicized and is not a legal struggle at all, noting the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog group, has "not detected any noncompliance or deviation" on the part of Tehran. Video Watch Ahmadinejad talk about nuclear weapons »

Ahmadinejad spoke extensively of Iran's support for Palestinians. The Iranian leader previously has made statements suggesting that Israel be politically "wiped off the map," though he insists that can be accomplished without violence. He has questioned the existence of the Holocaust, the genocidal Nazi campaign against European Jews, and warned Europeans that they may pay a heavy price for its support of Israel.

He insisted, however, that he and his country wish no harm to Jews.

"We have no problems with Jewish people," he said. "There are many Jews who live in Iran today ... but please pay attention to the fact that the Zionists are not Jews. They have no religion ... they just have -- wear masks of religiosity. How can you possibly be religious and occupy the land of other people?" Watch Ahmadinejad say he has no problems with Jews Video

On the Holocaust, he said an impartial group should research whether it happened as has been claimed.

"There is a claim that the extent of the calamity was what it was," Ahmadinejad said. "There are people who agree with it. There are people who disagree."
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Ahmadinejad has also caused controversy by previously suggesting there were no homosexuals in Iran. Regarding that statement, he told King: "I said it is not the way it is here. In Iran this is considered a very -- obviously, most people dislike it. And we have, actually, a law regarding it and the law is enforced."

However, he said, "we do pay attention that in Iran nobody interferes in the private lives of individuals. We have nothing to do with the private realm of people. This is at the -- non-private, public morality. In their own house, nobody ever interferes."

[dondaz]

Very good thread oiram. Nice one!;)

[antinwo]

When will you people Wake up?

Please just put you're self mentally into the position to have all the power over all the Economy, all natural resources on this earth and you have an infinitive amount of money available which would never end as long the earth will exist!

Now what would you do; yes you not others?
Would you distribute it to all & everyone equally ore would you be discriminative to any country person regardless of status or color .... etc?

Now if you worked this one out you have all the answers what is wrong with our system, who is running it, why you are paying tax, getting kicked out of your house, why the Police and system is intimidating you every day, why you don't have your dream job you always liked to do, why people die for absolute nothing then just egoisms, jealousy, greed, racist thinking & the power hunger over other individuals!

But after you worked out this one & you also one of the ones discriminating anyone on this earth for what ever reason you also one more person to be put on the list of criminals in this world!

If I have this power all this shit would stop in a matter of one year and I will get a 90% approval rating from the world's population!

I am not joking & very serious with this!
Work this one out for your self then you know how very simple it is to solve everything; but forget what you learned and got indoctrinated with in school!

Don't tell me I am a Idiot, Nuts, or a moron because I am absolutely not; if you still presume that I am then I say you are the one which deserves this title! You will say it's impossible and I tell you it's NOT and it's all up to you to make this decision!
But do you even like to know how it could be achieved that's one more key question you have to ask your self!

For me to have this knowledge and I do & I'm very confident about it I will always be in control of this knowledge above you no matter what education title you are holding!

Like the saying goes who has the knowledge has the power; but it depends on what you do with the knowledge to get respected!

Work it out!
If I was able to find the answer; means I know that you also can if you try! Ones you found this knowledge we talk again!
Then you have to tell me what you found & I will confirm if your are correct or close to it what I know & understand now!

Note:
Please! I am not looking for arguments; I talk about understanding something & a consequent solution scenario!
The entire point I make is about self realisation!
You need at least an IQ of minimum of 100 points!
You have to be a very logical thinker!
Also you have to be absolutely opened minded and absolutely none discriminative!
If you don't have this quality's don't even try because I know you can not find the answer to my question!

Also I predict that I will not get many answers because my knowledge at present can not be found on the Internet because it's just a jungle of confusion and over information!


Chill out mate:D

[tracker]

many years ago , i came to a fantastic thought ( i was only 18 ) that some of the people here are not even real .
sure they have bodies , but are programmed to such a high level , self realisation can not be acheived ever .

sometimes , you can tell a person time and time and time and time and time and time againnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
not to do something , and they still do .
the funny thing is , they never run out of excuses as to why they might do it , but they can never find one single answer as to why they shouldnt !:eek:

our planet could wake up ,:confused: but considering reality and peoples mind sets , we have to ( self ) realise , that millions cannot and will not and some dont even want to , suddenly wake up to reality in a sense that makesthem self aware !:rolleyes:

thats why some people cant see that for 10,000 years , our leaders have time and time again , kept us in the same system and always will do . none of them through out history have managed piece for one generation , none of them have or can .:eek:10,000 years !:eek:

yet ? people cant see just how stupid it all is .
they cant because they dont want too.
they dont want too because they choose to be like that .

thats about it , which is wh i said on the other thread about sheeple ,

they will reap what they sewe .
do they deserve to die .
i said NO
but they will reap what they sewe , and you will not find me crying about it !

[oiram]

Very good thread oiram. Nice one!;)If things would not be so serius for all of us; I may would say that I am happy that you like my thread! But the mess we in right now will not be fun for anyone!

Here is more good News http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=14818&dateline=1212183697

HOT EXPLOSIVE NEWS
U.S. Military Orders FBI to Trigger Criminal Investigation Against Lehman Brothers and American International Group Inc.(AIG)
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[oiram]

I feel more in danger from our politicians closer to home in terms of economic / foreign policy than i do with iran.In my case I don't worry about Iran or our Goverments!

But I do worry about the people that they stop standing down and take the bait the Politicians intimidate the public with!
It's so obvious just listen to Bush & McCain how they trying hard to intimidate people with introducing fear by saying!
If we don't get the bailout you don't get loans you can't sustain your houses, lives, all your savings are in risk to be lost....etc
That's what I call in my book forcing a result by fear creation & spelling out intimidation!
(You do what we ask you to do; or else! "This is a Classical I would say!")

They just criminals & full of it; thats reality they only trying to bailout there own corrupt asses!

Hope people stay strong and will just stay passive to all the Goverments, politicians propaganda & there intimidations!

The public so far did an absolute great job and I hope it continues like this!

Also did anyone realise when the politicians talking lately to the congress & public that they are starting to stutter?
When I look at Bush talking it's like he has to control him self to not blow his fuse and ends up saying if you don't bailout our corruption I'm dead!
(That's right he & his cabal is already finished and just did not realise this yet and nobody gives a crap what he says anymore!)

They on there ends of there ropes and shitting there pants!

Just look at all the things happening right now it's absolutely great!

People please I appeal to you all; stay strong & don't let them fool you again!
We all have Paradise in front of us don't give this ones in a lifetime chance away!
Just keep Spreading the news that's all we need to do & all will turn out alright!!

Search for the Truth & not for trouble!

These are the exact comments which give me all the Power to stay Strong & fills me with all the Hope & believe I need!
The best way to make change is to become self realized and live the truth that we are all one. If you make just little positive changes in your consciousness, it makes a big difference in the energy around you. Every one you come in contact with will feel a shift in there subconscious, therefore helping them on their way to self realization. The best way to live is to be good, think good and act good. Two wrongs don't make a right. Lead by example. Abolish the bad sides of the ego ie: anger, greed, envy, lust, hate..etc. and foster the qualities of unconditional love within yourself and to others. If you do these things, you have done more to bring down the "NWO" then any protest or violent situation.
Even David says almost this exact thing. Everyone needs to do this on a grand scale for it to work so start now. Things will NEVER change unless those bad sides of ego are abolished on this planet.Activism won't do anything... it's just more talking, but in the middle of the street.
This is a psychological war. once individuals start getting themselves straight, we won't need to do anything. in fact, it's what we, as an entire planet of peoples, need to stop doing, which is important. number one being stop giving these leviathans your personal power.
we also gotta remember the fact that it takes a world to change a world, not any one person or small group can do that. but, hey, it's a start nonetheless.
i'm not condemning activists or anything, but once we indvidually get ourselves straight, we also gotta start seeing the whole picture of all of us together (which is one in the same paradoxically). from there... the universe is our playground - we're capable of anything.Respect for this "cycle of eternity".
We would be better off standing still and keeping our mouths shut than playing into the hands of those in power.
Let them expend more energy provoking us, rather than serving to fuel their agenda with the fear created by conspiracy leaders, who would see us playing our cards well before everyone else had awoken.
We can educate, but we should not call for any other action than to WAIT.
WAIT until you see the whites of their eyes and then when they are upon us - attack with the most ferrocious spirit, until their power is reduce to nothing.
Rather than to publish the action plans (like many of these so called gurus do), we should keep our plans to ourselves. Its not smart otherwise.

[oceanwave]

When will you people Wake up?

Please just put you're self mentally into the position to have all the power over all the Economy, all natural resources on this earth and you have an infinitive amount of money available which would never end as long the earth will exist!

Now what would you do; yes you not others?

...snip...

without having read through numerous posts...

i suggest, do away with economy and promote self reliance

...empowerment is where it's at, on every level...

:)

[oiram]

without having read through numerous posts...
i suggest, do away with economy and promote self reliance
...empowerment is where it's at, on every level...
:)Your comment shows me your frustration you have with the current system!
It's just a stage of the wakening process we all go through if we got involved!

Fully agree to an extend!
But don't we requirer a basic moral structure and neutral understanding so greed does not reemerge!

Yes individuality & self reliance is the key for all; but not to be mixed with egoisms to the extend that each of us will have to live in his own cave and by our selfs!

Is this not really the way most of us live right now; in our self egoistic little lonely worlds! Not even knowing after 20 years who our neighbours really are!

In a way you also misunderstand my first Post!
Because I formulated in a way; that for starters you realise what system we are really living in right now!
Secondly my idea also could move your mind to a conclusion; what could be if people; in unity create a indiscriminately System !
But to work it out you HAVE to use your logic!

[oiram]

The Zionist Connection - An Unholy Tripartite (illuminati)
by Ted Lang
http://www.illuminati-news.com/zionist-connection.htm
Henry Makow, a PhD. who writes for several Internet news and opinion websites, has provided invaluable insight focusing on political alliances that control the United States as well as the entire world. An unholy tripartite threatens the individual freedom of all people, as well as the peace of the entire world, desiring the establishment of a New World Order controlled by one global government. It consists of these three entities: Zionism, communism and the international banking cartel. And as regards this unholy trio's control of all politics, remember FDR's observation that nothing in politics happens without being planned.

Zionism supports the creation of a Jewish state in violation of the teachings of Orthodox Judaism and the Torah. Of course, there are patriotic American Jews, as well as Christians, who support and are sympathetic to the state of Israel, but not to the extent of putting such political sympathies on a level higher than their patriotism and loyalty to the United States. And increasingly, radical Zionism is growing in aggressiveness and deadliness. And should anyone marry these three entities as a collaborative effort or conspiracy, they will be branded as being anti-Semitic. And that is precisely the purpose of the term.

But Zionism has partially achieved its ultimate goal, the modern state of Israel, via secretive plotting and heavy funding by the Jewish [Zionist] Rothschild international banking family, most prominently embodied in the Bank of England. It is loosely and unofficially estimated that the Rothschilds control almost three fifths the world's wealth of about $500 trillion in fiat money through the indebtedness of world governments, while about another $100 trillion of the world's wealth is controlled by the Rockefellers. Another 11 rich and powerful banking families, as well as wealthy individuals, families and governments, control the remaining $100 trillion of the world's wealth.

Makow has taken much pain and written extensively on the relationship between the Rothschild-led 13 member banking cartel, and the close relationship Baron Lionel Walter Rothschild maintained with both Lenin and Trotsky when they all were alive and plotting together. And Trotsky has been connected to Leo Strauss and the neo-conservative, Zionist cabal identified as the Project for the New American Century, or PNAC. And just like FDR's Zionist cabal of the 1930s and 1940s, consisting then of Justice Felix Frankfurter, Bernard M. Baruch, Henry Morgenthau, Benjamin Cohen, and Samuel Rosenman, President George W. Bush's present Zionist cabal consists of David Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearl, Bill Kristol and others. They represent a carbon copy of the continuing Zionist organized manipulation of our government to achieve a world control agenda originating with the communist-oriented, Zionist international banking cartel.

During World War II, America's involvement protecting Britain and joining it and the Soviet Union to engage in war against Axis Germany, Japan and Italy, served to make the world safe from National Socialism [Nazism] thereby advancing the "Jewish intellectualism" that is communism. And as Woodrow Wilson was advised by yet another Zionist cabal back during World War I, consisting of a different Jewish Justice, Louis D. Brandeis, and the same Bernard M. Baruch and Henry Morgenthau that served in FDR's cabal, America was drawn into the "War to End All Wars" to make the world "safe for democracy," thereby advancing the cause and ensuring the resultant success of National Socialism.

Though Germany provided the seedbed for modern Communism, as well as many of man's worst ideas, to include militarism, our failing government-controlled school system, our failing Social Security system and National Socialism, the communist movement shifted from Germany to Russia during the latter of the nineteenth and early part of the twentieth century. The Rothschild-led banking cartel saw the possibilities in a large, heavily industrialized nation like Russia, where the all-encompassing socialism that is communism could take root. Of course, the United States would have been a much better prize for communism, but lacked the level of poverty and despair of the Russian masses that was more pronounced thereby more enabling of violent revolution or Bolshevism.

Much More here.... http://www.illuminati-news.com/zionist-connection.htm

[zero1]

I'm sick of seeing this thread, "Will you people ever wake up?" on the General page.

Replace it with "Will this goddamn hypocritical thread ever just DIE?"

:rolleyes:

[ichi wa zen]

Yeah let us read more theories and talk about high spiritual matters. Because he who talks a lot knows.

We Will Not Wake Up. Leave we alone.

[zero1]

Yeah let us read more theories and talk about high spiritual matters. Because he who talks a lot knows.

"He who knows, speaks not. He who speaks, knows not". ;)

We Will Not Wake Up. Leave we alone.

Okay...

[oiram]

.Have you heard of the Kellogg-Briand Pact? It's an amazing document that was signed in 1925 by all the major world powers: the USA Britain, Japan, France, Germany and several others. The Pact was a unique moment in history because it effectively outlawed all war! It stated that armed aggression was inhuman and intollerable; any such activities were a war crime! All war became crime. There was one exception: repelling a direct armed invasion of your countries borders or assets; and the document was worded specially to eliminate any "flexible intepretation" of that statement.
Here's the Wikipedia page on the Kellogg-Briand Pact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellogg_briand_pact Hah! Hah!
I think I know why this one did not work out; the Jewish Elite think tanks did not sign up to it!!!:D:D

Also with such implemented agreement the Jewish would never ended up with Israel!!!:D:D

Such agreement would have screwed up all the preparation works; Titanic done (http://www.ilperetz.org/graduates/karen_hakken.htm), World Bank done, WWI done (http://www.illuminati-news.com/zionist-connection.htm) http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon2.gif the plan logically has to continue "Right?"

Also think about it how absolutely ridicule's & illogical it must be for a War mongering Parasite & Lizard brain to create freedom between Nations and there Peoples!:eek::D

Everything; I mean everything; has a logical reason in the Parasite & Lizard world!

A Must read!!!
The Zionist Connection - An Unholy Tripartite (http://www.illuminati-news.com/zionist-connection.htm)
http://www.illuminati-news.com/zionist-connection.htm


The Jewish-Titanic Connection (I. L. Peretz Community Jewish School)
Karen Hakken, May, 1998
http://www.ilperetz.org/images/titanic_disaster.jpg (http://www.ilperetz.org/graduates/karen_hakken.htm)
http://www.ilperetz.org/graduates/karen_hakken.htm

Confession No. 12: Did The Jesuit Order Mastermind The Sinking Of The Titanic?
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/confessions/9-July-2006.html
The captain of the ship was a Jesuit and many of its influential passengers opposed the formation of the Federal Reserve. Also, we look this week at portions of Vatican Assassins overlooked in past weeks.
9 Jul 2006

[zero1]

That's very positive from your side & I respect it and I removed my comment!
Just delete yours if you like no need for others to see our misunderstanding which turned into a positive result!

Done. :cool:

[oceanwave]

Your comment shows me your frustration you have with the current system!
It's just a stage of the wakening process we all go through if we got involved!

Fully agree to an extend!
But don't we requirer a basic moral structure and neutral understanding so greed does not reemerge!

Yes individuality & self reliance is the key for all; but not to be mixed with egoisms to the extend that each of us will have to live in his own cave and by our selfs!

Is this not really the way most of us live right now; in our self egoistic little lonely worlds! Not even knowing after 20 years who our neighbours really are!

In a way you also misunderstand my first Post!
Because I formulated in a way; that for starters you realise what system we are really living in right now!
Secondly my idea also could move your mind to a conclusion; what could be if people; in unity create a indiscriminately System !
But to work it out you HAVE to use your logic!
so, you agree with me..

logically or intuitively

we have to go back to basics with one another?

...btw, i applaud your idealism, if not passion...

:)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[oceanwave]

Oh.. I'm passioned and even still know what romance is and know and understand how to create it!
But tell me honestly who in this freaking world still ask for such strange free service; appears to be out of fashion for a long time now!
I was lucky and did have it all with my first wife until the system screwed it all up!

I would love to see it again; if it could be achieved; but people now expect to much from there partners; that's why it's logically impossible and people will stay loners in there own caves!
There is not one person which does not dream about finding a person which could just love you for who you are; instead evaluating you by what you got!

Believe me & I'm talking from experience it's so boring when you can just buy what ever you like!

But you will never, never buy natural Love; not even if you would use the amount of the banks bailout!

I have hundreds of these story's but here are two real live short story's!
OK I tell you what happened to me and I am in Asia right now! A woman approached me to get my attention and ask me this; don't you like a woman!
She actually was offering her self to me! My answer was do you really like to know OK then! Oh ..... Yes! I do like a woman alright; but for me they are to cheap!
Now the answer from her was this! .... and it would be funny if it would not be so seriously depressing! Oh ..... yes thats very good; because I am expensive!:eek::eek:
This is not a joke is an original!
That stupid shit of a woman did not use one inch of her screwed up brain!:eek:

One more; this time in Australia a bit different style with the same end result! So you are going out for a drink; & there she comes and tries to start a casual relaxing conversation ! Oh... nice to meet you are you Working oh .... yes that's good; what's about a transport Oh ... great you have your own car; so where do you like are you renting or do you have your own place; Oh.... yes you must earn a lot of money to have all this ........ So what's about if we get married!
End of conversation:eek::confused:

This world is so screwed up I tell you!

I do understand & know what it must feel like to be a dead person!

Now all I can say this world is so sick & lost in space it's not funny at all anymore!

With all my experience I collected all over the world I feel like 150 years old in my brain and for me it is to late and I made my decisions long time ago to not even try anymore to fulfill an impossible dream which everyone got and I know exactly who has to be blamed for this world disease of nobodies!
It's not the woman or man; it's the sick system we got; promoting and implementing this shit for there agenda; only to keep Humans in parts; so they can stay in power!

Human kind by nature never meant to by them selfs! Not in my book anyway!

This is the truth & Reality!

which is what i meant by "back to basics"

:)

ps.. this reality is selfish, IE it eats itself in order to create...it's self


...'tis a paradox i know...


but then, nothing is simple and everything is complicated

...yes?...

;)

[oiram]

so, you agree with me..
logically or intuitively
we have to go back to basics with one another?
...btw, i applaud your idealism, if not passion...
:)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gifOh.. I'm passioned alright and even still know what romance is; and know and understand how to create it!
But tell me honestly who in this freaking world still ask for such strange free service; appears to be out of fashion for a long time now!
I was lucky and did have it all with my first wife until the system screwed it all up!

I would love to see it & feel it again; if it could be achieved; but people now expect to much from there partners; that's why it's logically impossible and people will stay loners in there own caves!
There is not one person which does not dream about finding a person which could just love you for who you are; instead evaluating you by what you got!

No one needs to tell me that he does not have this dream; and the person which tries to tell me that he is happy & loves to be alone; is a stinking liar and hates him self; because I know what Humans really Dream about! This is Reality & Truth for you!

Believe me & I'm talking from experience it's so boring when you can just buy what ever you like!

But you will never, never buy natural Love; not even if you would use the amount of the banks bailout!

I have hundreds of these story's but here are two real live short story's!
OK I tell you what happened to me and I am in Asia right now! A woman approached me to get my attention and ask me this; don't you like a woman!
She actually was offering her self to me! My answer was do you really like to know OK then!
Oh ..... Yes! I do like a woman alright; but for me they are to cheap!
Now the answer from her was this! .... and it would be funny if it would not be so seriously depressing!
Oh ..... yes thats very good; because I am expensive!:eek::eek:
This is not a joke is an original!
That stupid shit of a woman did not use one inch of her screwed up brain!:eek:

One more; this time in Australia a bit different style with the same end result! So you are going out for a drink; & there she comes and tries to start a casual relaxing conversation ! .. Oh... nice to meet you are you Working; ... Oh .... yes that's great; what's about a transport ... Oh ... great you have your own car is it a nice one; so where do you live are you renting or do you have your own place; .... Oh.... yes ... beautiful you must earn a lot of money to have all this ........ So what would you think about if we would get married?:eek:
End of the conversation:eek::confused: .... Welcome to Australia! & I guarantee you most Oz guys will confirm this standard behaviour to you!


This world is so screwed up I tell you!

I do understand & know what it must feel like to be a dead person!

Now all I can say this world is so sick & lost in space it's not funny at all anymore!

With all my experience I collected all over the world I feel like 150 years old in my brain and for me it is to late and I made my decisions long time ago to not even try anymore to fulfill an impossible dream which everyone got and I know exactly who has to be blamed for this world disease of nobodies!
It's not the woman or man; it's the sick system we got; promoting and implementing this shit for there agenda; only to keep Humans in parts; so they can stay in power!

Human kind by nature never meant to by them selfs! Not in my book anyway!

This is the truth & Reality!

[daytimetwilight]

I can't believe people are responding to this.

[oiram]

I can't believe people are responding to this.
But you should believed it because it was the Reality & is the Truth! "Right?";)
So who should cares about it; what you believe or not believe ?
You must be living without being able to visualise & except reality which is the Truth!

Why don't you believe it can you not see it; or do you only believe in things you can not see, feel or touch!

You see this is the best example for you to realise what reality is! TV is not reality; or is it??

[mightiswrong]

WHY DOES LOVE COME AND GO?
Oh, how many poems and philosophical treatises have been devoted to this very feeling! In fact, it is
hard to find a literary work where it is not touched upon to some extent. Nearly all religions talk about
love. It is considered to be a great feeling imparted to Man by God.
The reality of our current human conditions, however, portrays the feeling of love as a most sadistic
phenomenon.
Let’s face the truth. Statistics show that sixty to seventy percent of marriages are doomed to failure.
The failure comes after years of an uneasy coexistence on the part of two people who were once in love.
Sometimes these years are marked by mutual insults, scandals and even face-smashing.
The original beautiful and inspired feeling vanishes, only to be replaced by years of anger, insults,
hatred and, ultimately, unhappy children.
This is the sad result of what we call love today.
Could such a result be considered a gift from God! No way!
But perhaps it is we ourselves who turn aside from some kind of way of life inherent in Man, and that
is why love vanishes, telling us, in effect: I can’t live in such conditions. Your way of life is killing me.
And you yourselves are dying.

Remembering my conversation in the taiga, I recalled how unusually the grey-haired recluse talked
about love. “Love,” he said, “is the greatest and most powerful energy in the Cosmos. It is never
thoughtless. It has thoughts and its own feelings too. Love is a living, self-sufficient entity, a living
being.
“By the will of God it is sent to the Earth, ready to bestow its great energy on every Earth-dweller
and make their lives eternal in love. It comes to each one of them, endeavouring to tell them, through
the language of feelings, about the Divine programme. If Man doesn’t listen, it is forced to leave, not
by its own will, but by Man’s.”
Love! A mysterious feeling. And even though almost every Man who has ever lived on the Earth has
managed to experience it, love remains largely uninvestigated.
On the one hand, the theme of love is touched upon in most works of prose and poetry, and in most
artistic genres. On the other, all the information these contain merely establishes the existence of such
a phenomenon. At best, it describes but the outward manifestations of love and variations in behaviour
on the part of different people under the influence of the feeling as it has appeared in them.
But is it really necessary to investigate the feeling of love, which everybody knows?
The extraordinary and brand new information I received in the Siberian taiga confirms that investigation
is extremely necessary. We need to learn to understand love.
I believe one of the most accurate answers to the question as to why love fades is simply that it vanishes
when it finds no understanding.
People in the past understood love.
Judge for yourselves: more than ten thousand years ago the Vedruss people possessed knowledge
enabling them to carry out actions which not only strengthened love but made it everlasting. One such
action was the Ancient Vedic wedding rite. After the description was published in one of my books,
many academic researchers came round to affirming that this particular rite was capable of transforming
an initially flaring feeling into a permanent one. Comparing it with the rites of various peoples both past
and present, I began more and more to draw the conclusion that the Ancient Vedic wedding rite was a rational
deed thought up by the wisdom of the people, which is capable even today of helping many family
couples find lasting love. However, let’s go through everything in order.
And let us begin with the most important thing.
***
Should we seek out our ‘other half’?
‘My other half’ — ‘my soulmate’ — it’s a popular expression. Let’s see what it means, exactly. I think
many people will accept the following definition: a man or a woman close to you in spirit and their
views on life, a pleasant communicator, someone you feel attracted to (including their appearance),
someone capable of inspiring you to love.
Should we seek out our soulmate, or let our ‘other half’ be found all on its own, through the will of
destiny?

As many centuries of mankind’s experience has shown, a determined search is essential. This is attested
in multitudes of stories in which stout-hearted young men have set off on long quests in search
of their intended.
There are a number of ancient rites which can aid this most important search of one’s life.
There are ancient rites, too, which can help determine whether one has made the right choice. What
if that ‘other half’ has come to you straight from the devil himself?
Some of these rites I have already described in my previous books. I did not touch upon well-known
rituals, but mostly introduced rites that are not commonly known and have not been encountered heretofore.
The present book focuses on the wedding rite and, at the same time, the rite for determining
whether one has made the right choice of partner, which I shall go over again in a different context.
“Then get on with it — show us these miraculous rites,” some of my readers may be thinking. “Why
bother with all these expositions?” But the expositions are absolutely essential! We need a vision of
our reality today, otherwise we shall not understand the tremendous signification of the wisdom of the
people. Everything in the world is relative and, hence, comparisons are crucial.
So let’s now take a look and see which life situations in today’s world can facilitate a meeting and
which may just get in the way.
Strange as it may seem, in our present so-called ‘information age’, situations favouring a meeting of
two ‘halves’ are getting harder and harder to find.
People living in large, densely populated megacities are virtually cut off from each other by invisible
barriers. Someone living in a modern multi-storeyed apartment block is often unacquainted with his
next-door neighbour.1 Passengers on public transport, even those standing jam-packed shoulder-toshoulder
in the aisles, are all absorbed in their own individual problems. Pedestrians walking along the
same street have no reason to communicate with each other.
And in America, for example, you can’t even look closely at a woman without being suspected of
sexual harassment.
And so, just sitting in your flat or travelling to work or studies, there’s practically no opportunity to
find your soulmate.
Let’s say your work involves contact with a lot of different people. Let’s say you’re sitting at a cash
register in a large supermarket. But none of the customers passing by you every day thinks of striking
up an acquaintance with you. It’s more likely they see you merely as an adjunct to the cash register.
A college or university where a whole lot of young people congregate, though it indeed offers opportunities
for conversation and coupling, is not a place for general selection of one’s soulmate, since
an educational institution is designed with a completely different function in mind.
Today the most acceptable locales for meeting people are generally bars, restaurants, discotheques
and resorts. But encounters here, even those which end in marriages, do not, as a rule, result in a happy
life in love and harmony. According to statistics, ninety percent of such marriages end in divorce.
The principal cause lies in a false image. And what might that be? Well, here’s
http://www.ringingcedars.com/materials/book-8.2-chapter-3.pdf

[oiram]

I am so unbelievably freaking HAPPY it's amazing!

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Just read my next post; if you like?

Just all stay Cool and continue the WAY you do!
No one needs to die or put his life on the line!

I know what will be next; they will TRY to remove all the weapons from the Public; at least they will try!
Why? Because they shitting there Pants & are scared shiftless!:D
What do you think Why they having all these school shootings regularly :confused: Coincidental http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif ... Hah! .... Hah! Don't be blinded or fooled http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon4.gif
They have crazy trained manipulated sleepers everywhere & there will be more on the way! I am convinced! Why? Because that's the way criminals operate!!!

They will try to make Voting compulsory! Why? Because no one will support them anymore and they like to force it!

All good signals because they losing there battle on all fronts! http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Stay Cool and have confidence!:)

They are toast! YES! YES! YES!http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[oiram]

That phrase "The revolution will not be televised" also says to me that people will be frightened of revolting because if it isnt shown on tv then it isnt happening and this will make people think that they are standing alone. They have been led to believe ALL OF THEIR LIVES that the TV documents every major event that is happening in the world and when it isnt shown on their TV then it simply aint happening :rolleyes::cool:
At some stage the mainstream media has to be taken back into OUR hands (the hands of the people). Television and other mainstream media is their main weapon of control and it's essential IMO that we get it back somehow and when we do THEN the revolution will truly happen.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon2.gifhttp://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gifGood point!
This is exactly what I am waiting for that only one major international TV channel will be hijacked by the public!
This would be more powerful then any fiscal revolution!
Then the message will end-up in every household even the ones which do not use a computer to get there information!

I'm sure there are people out there working exactly on this game plan!
Just believe in it; somehow even that we can not see it our thinking processes are getting transmitted to all which are involved in this issue!
All and every message on all the different forums will give someone somewhere a new idea!
That's why it is so important to write down all our ideas we have to solve this problems; someones idea could be someones solution! Remember this it's very important even that we personally may not able to make fiscal action others may can; but did not have the right idea!
Only together we will win this! That's one reason why our system we living in right now is the way it is; they doing everything so we don't form groups of interests and communicate with each other! That's why you don't even know your neighbour anymore!

Just look at the situation right now and what is happening in politics! They even start stuttering when they talking on the MSM; it's getting harder to for them to keep lying every day; because they know the public knows exactly what's going on!

Also don't have the illusion that the Goverment employers & Elites world wide do not reading our messages! "They do and they know exactly what is cooking! They must be scared shit-less not knowing when they get hung up the tree; that's all what is needed for them to wake up it's a sociological game!" this is what they doing with us just that it is reversed now!

Did you ever had a situation that you go out or even at night and you think something is watching you; or people looking at you but you don't know who it is and what they think! Scary shit "right"
Think about it if you would be a Politician right now; and you walk down the road or go to any shop, restaurant.....etc and people are just looking at you, walking past you and you don't know if these people know what the story is; or even hating your guts or not! Very, very scary I would say!

They can keep running but nowhere to hide; except if they could get of this Planet!!
In a way that's exactly what they need to do; get of this Planet which is symbolising Satan's departure for eternity!
The good old Revelation is right after all !
Was Gods message correct that all is needed is to wake up; "I say YES 100% on the mark! Did he gave us all the Power over Satan "I say YES he did!

If it would be me working in politics I would resign from politics to protect my self and my family & my property!

They know if things get out of hand that it will hit the Politicians first and all there properties will go up in flames! Will we need to do it I don't know but but thing about it that this option exists is good for us and scary for them! Get my Hint?:D & I hope only one politician reads this because it is enough to make his round!

Just imagine sticker and leaflets are everywhere saying working or supporting politics or the corrupt MSM in any way or form is disgraceful, corrupt, criminal and anti humanity in colluding the Army! Would you look for a job in such negatively marked profession!
I say a fiscal revolution is not required at all just use logic and sociological warfare; works 100% I am convinced and is working already!
We should ask for information how many people did resign from politics already there must be hundreds!

This is the way the Elite will lose there tools and consequently there power!
How do you fight wars without soldiers? How do you run a company without workers?
How do you have Politics and a Goverment without majority support!

How does Satan ways work with out happy partners, friends and Support?

How many times have you ask your self's I hope they would read my post message I have written here! Don't have any illusion they do read it every day and shitting there pants!
Use there tools; what to fear it's fear it's self! Learn from there strategies and turn them against them!

Don't forget we are steering the movement not them!
They can not control all of us; we are all over the world not sitting in one location only!
They don't know what we will do next! Not knowing is Scary!
They are targeted and they know! That's Scary!
Where is the enemy it's over here, it's over there it's nowhere all are looking in dark corners like snipers waiting for there target! Very Scary I would say! I am happy to be on the right side!
To be super rich is a dangers occupation and nowhere to run! Scary shit thinking when will they come to burn my company, house, car and yacht then grab me and hang me up by my balls!
You are only confident when you have full control over a movement or a War!

They are scared shiftless and they should be; 5 billion people Hate there guts!
I am so unbelievably freaking HAPPY it's amazing!
Guys & Girls keep up the Good Job even accelerate it if you can!
They are Toast I'm confident & convinced!

Massive non-cooperation would be the key, a violent uprising would give them the excuse they need to wipe the majority of us out. In the midst of the chaos they can step in and deliver the solution. Non-voting doesn't seem to be getting their attention, I think only 30% of people vote in the elections.. there would have to be mass ballot spoililng with a anti NWO comment or slogan?
You are saying it all in your comment! Right on!

Because we know the enemys strategy's & what they would like to happen; this is the Key point!
Knowing the enemy's moves, strategy's & HAVING THE INTELLIGENCE will always give you the advantage over the Battle field!
Sometimes the basic Army training does come handy after all!

We will just not give them the pleasure to get there ways!
Just don't blow wind into there sails & the Battle ship will not go anywhere!
If we very lucky the ship will drift toward a reef and goes down with all it's crew, tools & JEWellery!

Very simple all just stand down and spread the News!

Knowing & knowledge is Power over a situation!

Stay confident; Logic & the Love for Truth will win the game!

Here is a good advice from my Grandmother!

Don't ever use your mussels "but use your brain & logic then you will always win the game in the end!"Was she "Right?"
This advice helped me through my entire life & I'm still alive!
Don't forget my Grandmother went through WWII from start to finish with 4 children & a dead Husband which died very young in the Elites & Parasites War!

[oiram]

You will love this one! ........ Congress must be sick of all the shit! ......... Roman is falling, falling!

Here is another great speech .... at least SOME of our congresscritters get it ( Right on target good shit!)
Guilty as Charged! Yes! Yes!
http://www.youtube.com/v/7qA3cpYiz5k

[sithnemesis]

Two thumbs up for OIRAM... the most positive member on this Forum :) :D :cool:

[oiram]

Two thumbs up for OIRAM... the most positive member on this Forum :) :D :cool:Positive Personally yes; but to many negative story's around lately!
Your comment is very much Appreciated!:)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon2.gifBut lets not forget our agenda & why we are here!

And here comes more crazy News!:eek::D

Who, indeed!
"Is the U.S. Bankrupt?" (http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/review/06/07/Kotlikoff.pdf)
http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/global_banking/globalist_ultimatum%3a_pay_up_or_collapse_20080909 98/

On March 21, 2008, The August Review wrote,

“As the global financial crisis unfolds, one thing is certain: The major investment and commercial banks who have wrecked our economy and financial system are now successfully sucking unlimited amounts of money from the people's Treasury to bail themselves out.”

The August Review has demonstrated repeatedly that the net effect of the New International Economic Order (term coined by the Trilateral Commission in 1973) was to devise new and more effective ways to divert money from the public sector into certain private hands.

With their right hand, elite bankers, investors and brokers can well afford to take on all the risk they desire, knowing that their left hand can get into the U.S. treasury to bail themselves out when they hit the financial brick wall.

And with the government takeover of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, they have simply outdone themselves: The magnitude of this bailout is on an order higher than anything ever recorded in our planetary history.

Of course, everyone in the financial elite are feigning shock and dismay at the tragic turn of events. Saving these companies, they say, will supposedly save our financial system from utter destruction. It’s an ultimatum: Pay up or collapse.

Is it all a smokescreen for yet another planned plundering of our Treasury?

In November 2005, Dr. Laurence J. Kotlikoff wrote a 23 page report titled, “Is the U.S. Bankrupt?” (http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/review/06/07/Kotlikoff.pdf) It was issued by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis and quietly posted on their website – and it was totally ignored by the U.S. press.

With irrefutable logic and statistical data, he concluded that

“Countries can and do go bankrupt. The United States, with its $65 trillion fiscal gap, seems clearly headed down that path.”

Being that the U.S. government is the only and exclusive banking client of the Federal Reserve, it is inconceivable that the Fed did not fully understand what Kotlikoff was saying.

It is also inconceivable that the Fed would not take action to protect itself, its money, its private stockholders, and hence, to appoint a conservator.

[oiram]

.they will approve a bailout, its all a done deal.
The US stock market could suffer a devastating crash with shares losing a third of their value this week if Hank Paulson’s financial bailout plan fails, US Treasury officials have warned.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/3094318/Bailout-failure-will-cause-US-crash.htmlMy Prediction they will do it anyway! No matter What!

Of cause it will fail thats the entire plan! Never forget 1 + 1 = 2 (No matter what they try to tell you!)
They are on death road and they know it!

No matter the People agree with it or not they will do everything to destroy America permanently!
Also they know that 85% of all Americans do not like this Bailout to be finalised!
But that's the trick just keep intimidating the Public to get the reaction they like to get!
But I hope the people will stand down!

You will see!

They Call it the Final Solution! (TFS)
(The pre planned Final & Permanent Destruction of the USA!)

You don't believe it!
I say you better Believe it!

Only the Public can stop this Planned Destruction; no one else!

Here you may find the answer bieng encrypted!
(Is he really wrong :?: :idea: They Hate the Whore! Don't we ALL :?: )
Obama Blogger Calls for Destruction of Israel (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/03/obama-blogger-c.html)

Socialism in America By John L. Bowman ( The Final Solution!) (http://books.google.com/books?id=8j-lqEB7WMwC&pg=PA313&lpg=PA313&dq=final+solution++destruction+of++usa&source=web&ots=Tq1kWPX4WP&sig=4qe_UgkA7k0J6dVYDBWODEMlibc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result)

Hagee and the "Whore of Babylon" (http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/catholicamerica/2008/05/the_whore_of_babylon.html)

Who Do You Think This Whore Is? By Roger Wray (http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8661.htm)

BABYLON HAS FALLEN IN ONE HOUR (http://www.iahf.com/20010911a.html)

Babylon has fallen (http://www.growthingod.org.uk/word15.htm)

USA in Prophecy (http://www.freedomyou.com/prophecy/index.htm)

Babylon The Great Is Fallen (http://www.thedayofthelordisathand.com/babylon.htm)

America is Babylon. (Jesus Christ, Revelation, prophecy, Jerusalem) (http://www.city-data.com/forum/religion-philosophy/265417-america-babylon-11.html)

Nuclear Attack Next if America Doesn't Heed Warning (http://www.greaterthings.com/News/911/nuclear_next.htm)

The woman/whore called Babylon in Revelation 17-19 http://www.lectio.unibe.ch/00_1/j.htm has often been interpreted as representing Evil or the Evil Empire. [1] What such interpretations have in common is that they see this woman as representing something else. Sure enough, the text itself points in that direction, when it states in 17:18: ‘The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.’ [2]
They Shall Hate The Whore (http://www.adishakti.org/book_of_revelation/revelation_17.15-18.htm)
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill His will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
And the woman which thou sawest is that great City, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Book of Revelation 17:15-18
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary (http://bible.cc/jeremiah/51-8.htm)
51:1-58 The particulars of this prophecy are dispersed and interwoven, and the same things left and returned to again. Babylon is abundant in treasures, yet neither her waters nor her wealth shall secure her. Destruction comes when they did not think of it. Wherever we are, in the greatest depths, at the greatest distances, we are to remember the Lord our God; and in the times of the greatest fears and hopes, it is most needful to remember the Lord. The feeling excited by Babylon's fall is the same with the New Testament Babylon, Re 18:9,19. The ruin of all who support idolatry, infidelity, and superstition, is needful for the revival of true godliness; and the threatening prophecies of Scripture yield comfort in this view. The great seat of antichristian tyranny, idolatry, and superstition, the persecutor of true Christians, is as certainly doomed to destruction as ancient Babylon. Then will vast multitudes mourn for sin, and seek the Lord. Then will the lost sheep of the house of Israel be brought back to the fold of the good Shepherd, and stray no more. And the exact fulfilment of these ancient prophecies encourages us to faith in all the promises and prophecies of the sacred Scriptures.

USA's Future (Economic Collapse) (http://www.freedomyou.com/prophecy/USA_economic_colapse.htm)
America's unquenchable materialistic appetite is the machine that fuels a global economy. Japan's economy would collapse if it were not for the billions of dollars per year gained in trading with America. When America goes into a recession, the world follows. When America's economy is booming, the world's economy strengthens. America devours, yet, is never satisfied. Running out of money, she tells the waiter to put it on her tab. He gladly complies making a tidy profit from the interest. He cannot serve her quick enough. The more she eats, the hungrier she becomes. As time passes, less goes to paying for food and more is needed to pay for the huge debt she is accumulating. Finally, all of her resources are used up in paying for the interest she owes. America falls crashing to the ground in economic ruin, so suddenly, it sends shock waves throughout the world. She is incapable of paying for her massive imports. Merchant ships sit offshore, heavy laden with cargo, weeping and wailing in horror for Babylon has fallen.

But I hope the people will stand down!
They Call it the Final Solution! (TFS)

(The pre planned Final & Permanent Destruction of the USA!)

My Prediction they will do it anyway! No matter What!

Of cause it will fail thats the entire plan! Never forget 1 + 1 = 2 (No matter what they try to tell you!)
They are on death road and they know it!

No matter the People agree with it or not they will do everything to destroy America permanently!
Also they know that 85% of all Americans do not like this Bailout to be finalised!
But that's the trick just keep intimidating the Public to get the reaction they like to get!

You will see!

Bailout failure 'will cause US crash’ (http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=408451#408451)
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=408451#408451

MONDAY: ALL HELL TO BREAK LOOSE (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37153)
"Friday, September 26, 2008
MONDAY: ALL HELL TO BREAK LOOSE
Those of you who have been following my former radio show and now, this blog, know that I have a very good track record of telling you what's coming in the markets and when.
Tonight, as I write, it is Friday, September 26 at 7:05 PM and I regret to tell you that Monday all hell is going to break loose.
The reason President Bush, Treasury Secretary Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke pushed so hard for Congress to act this week was because they knew that the last hour of trading last Friday was a "quadruple witching hour." During that hour, contracts for stock index futures, stock index options, stock options and single stock futures (SSF) all expire.
Quadruple witching hours occur only four times a year, on the third Friday of March, June, September and December.
Bush, Paulson and Bernanke knew that if a solution was not found by close of business today, they could not hold off the rest of the world any longer. The markets would start plummeting in Asia on Sunday night (East coast time) because with all the options and futures having now expired, the market is free to "correct" itself.
Congress has now failed to act, the quadruple witching hour has taken place and there is no bailout.
If Congress does not get a Bill passed by Sunday night, we should expect all hell to break loose when Asian markets open and the "correction" hits. Look for a severe, fast, downward spiral.
I'm talking about worldwide economic calamity beginning Sunday in Asia and spiraling out of control within a week or so. Two weeks tops.
If I am right (and I hope I am not) the world will see a financial catastrophe that will make "the great depression" look like a walk in the park.
Here's what you need to do this weekend
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/browse_thread/thread/c8cbae495daa572a

[oiram]

It's done "BABYLON HAS FALLEN"http://www.seancoon.org/wp-content/postimages/democratic_org_1.jpg
How to Destroy America
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=962

Dow falls over 500 points as bailout vote fails
Defeat in House of huge financial rescue, despite pleas from President
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3683270
mate - this is what the NWO want! they want the markets to colappse to force riots etc...
dont be happy. this is the begining of the end of the world as we know it today.I can't wait for the riots. Breaking windows and tear gas and all that fun stuff. :DWhile you see riots and tear gas, I see a bright shiny future in store one without debt slavery and fake money. It's your choice to make the future you want.Yes! The End of The World as we know it (That's what we all waiting for & is the entire exercise!)

Only Idiots & Provocateurs would do any Riots! Not the ones which understand!

I am happy because the Corrupters, Criminals & Murderers getting finally there asses kicked! "GOOD!"
No mercy for Satan & Anti Christ!

Don't be afraid ALL will be OK!

Also don't forget that the entire Market is just a grade big manipulation & Computer Game to keep people sociologically enslaved; Money was never the Problem it's only paper an Man made & good man can change it!

Also I believe you are wrong if they would have past the Bailout this would created the Riots!

Let's see if I am correct; they will now see that the People are not Reacting fiscally & from now onward Obama will make sweet, sweet words & they will make a big, big MSM Propaganda campaign to tell the people how bad everything is; then they will later on past the Bailout and I hope the people will also not react then the battle is over & I know that the Bastards are out of Bullets!

We are being double crossed by the Illuminati. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=530894)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=530894

All you need to remember is; don't give them the REACTION they are gambling on! This is very important to remember!

They will play there Fear factor Game as usual! Fear, Fear, Fear, Fear all you do is say SO WHAT!, SO WHAT!, SO WHAT! No Fear no Game!

It's all just a big dirty Game! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. I Love this one and NO Parachutes..
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj4/donnette_g/babylon.jpghttp://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/jumpyoufuckers.jpg

[oiram]

DOW DOWN 777.7 POINTS (catchy No. 5769 + 2008= (7777 )(9/11)

All just Coincidental ? (Jewish New Year) 5769+ 2008= (7777)

They did ask for a Bailout of 700 Billion one more 7 but Why? .....?
did they not ask for 777.7 Billion or would this have been to obvious ? ? ? ?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37427
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=532752&posted=1#post532752

[oiram]

http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=409439

Over and over again, I see the public discussing both sides of a completely false dialectic process.... ($700 Billion dollar bailout). Again the federal reserve is a private entity that has never been audited in its entire history, and can create this needed money from thin air. The banking system can easily be bailed out by federal reserve notes - so why did they need Congress to pass this bill?

The real answer is they DIDN'T.

But what they did need is an excuse to collapse the economy and the $700 Billion dollar bill is nothing more than a dog and pony show for everybody to get all chatty about, it changes NOTHING. But it gives the ruling the elite the excuse they need. While the puppet media is howling (because they realize they are going for the ride as well) - everything is going just according to plan, and that plan is to put you into poverty. It cannot be stressed enough - the bill is only an excuse to create an crisis, and use this crisis as a guise to tighten liquidity on the banking system and seize your assets.

It is no different than a farmer who waters his crop (loosens liquidity) and watches his crop grow (economy flourishes.) Then at the time of harvest he halts liquidity (stops watering to dry the wheat out for harvest). Then he comes in and cuts his crop down (asset seizure after credit tightening.) After taking everything fresh seeds are planted (a new economy is started) and it is watered (liquidity is reapplied) and the cycle repeats. Your grandparents were a good example of this in action as the real cause of the financial crash was the tightening of liquidity.

The Congress voted against the bill because if they had not - the ruling elite would not have an excuse to create a crisis. This is a long term plan being craftily played out. Remember AGAIN the federal reserve can create this money from nothing, they never needed the $700 Billion. As you kill a deer you hang in the garage for a week to drain out its blood. As you kill an economy you tighten currency for a prolonged period until all the businesses and people are on their knees. Then you come in and buy all the businesse for pennies on the dollar, and take control of everything.

It works great:
- You make America a 2nd world country and the people work for free.
- Through various subsidiary corporations you quietly buy up all the industries and control EVERYTHING.
- Through the guise of an economic recession you can start labour camps and raise taxation to crippling levels.

And while this is being done to you - people can feel relieved that they 'fought the good fight' and convinced their senator to vote against the bill.

What should have been on the bill is the abolishment of the Federal Reserve and the right for them to create currency. Again everybody needs to watch the documentary The Money Masters which can be seen for free at video.google.com.. Write your senator ONLY ABOUT THE ABOLISHMENT OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND THEIR RIGHT TO ISSUE CURRENCY. It is the only issue that matters.

Why Are People Going for Senators That Voted For This Bill?

The bigger question is why are people not trying to get rid of ALL THE CORRUPT SENATORS, and keep people like Ron Paul that know the real cause of the problem. Email this to everybody you know - start a wake-up chain today!If you only could see me right now I'm dancing on my bed!
Finally people are getting it! :D :D
That's what my first Post in my thread was all about; to get people woken up what the system really is & how easy it is to be manipulated if you have the power and you are abusing you Power!
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=34979
But No comment on my original post as usual! :roll:

I Love you Guys finally you are tuning in!

[cacadores]

When will you people Wake up?

you have an infinitive amount of money available which would never end as long the earth will exist! Now what would you do; yes you not others?
Would you distribute it to all & everyone equally.......?

If you had an infinate amount of money, then ipso facto it's logically impossible to distribute it all.http://http://wimbledonpobs.19.forumer.com/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif


Also I predict that I will not get many answers because my knowledge at present can not be found on the Internet because it's just a jungle of confusion and over information![/B]

Well you said it. LOL:rolleyes:

[oiram]

If you had an infinite amount of money, then ipso facto it's logically impossible to distribute it all.Yes you absolutely correct!
That's actually what it is in Reality but people are to handicapped & thick to work out & to just see the reality!
That's why they are rightfully get called dumb Sheeples!!!!
It's the controllers not the money which is the problem!

Also all & everything yes everything what's going down now is 150% created by sick individuals (http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html)being sociopaths! (http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html)
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

[oiram]

Even a blind man by now can see this is all just a fucking Game!
Just look at it; nearly 400 points up again! One more week & it will be 800 Points up!
No Money! No Money! they full of shit; Money never will be the problem control & power over the slaves is the problem for them!
Why because they create the problem by planning! They are all the same gang with the same target!!

Don't forget it's the big boys playing the market not the small man!
Also we all know by now that only 1% of the world population owns all the wealth on this earth & they all in bed with each other including all Governments with a criminal Democratic System!

Fuck them all they just looking for attention in a very dirty criminal way & to screw the small working class man including his entire family!

Bailout! Bailout! Bullshit Corruption! Manipulation Brainwashing Lies & more Lies! "That's Reality!"

Problem .... Reaction ...... Solution ......... Enslavement! "Reality again!"

Just get your money out of the Banks fuck them all; they will never ever stop this murdering Game until they out of business permanently!!

Anyway Satan will not give up easy after ruling the earth with all his inhabitance for the last 5000 years that's for sure!

Nobody is getting it - the $700B BailOut. "Reality again!"
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=36227

Economic terrorism of banks! Are your wrong? "No you Right !!"

[oiram]

doing, do, living, trusting, represents, is, doesapparently 47% are against bailout, 45% want it.
More people need to wake up quickly.
Also, oiram, all things come to an end at some point.yes thinks will come to an end that's for sure especially with the amounts of people which are waking up to reality!

but do you realise when you talking about the percentage being for or against that these people are not working for you or the general public!

these people which voting for or against the bailout have absolutely nothing in common with the general public for obvious reasons!
Because we are the cattle & slaves to them!
Also most masons fall into the same category! "right or wrong!"

we all have to learn to judge by rights and wrongs & not basing all & everything on some exceptions which in most cases do not exist except coming out of someones mouth! this is reality!

the ones which voted against the bailout did not do so because they liked to; no they are in real fear because of what they hear on the road and what they reading on the internet!

yes they are scared shit-less that rome goes up in smoke in one day & they will be part of the fuel to keep the fire burning!!

All which are speaking for or protecting these criminals of humanity making them selfs automatically guilty by association! Even the ones which are voting these criminals into power again and again because they have no reasoning & not one inch of a logical brain! That's why all others have to suffer because of these brain dead idiots which do not want to understand shit; because of there egotistical selfishness & ignorance toward there own neighbour!

god will not be unjust to no one that's 1000% sure trust me!
yes! I used the word trust; because no one needs to believe in god; because it means absolutely shit and has no function without doing & living gods ways; but you can 100% trust him to do the right & just thing! trust me because i know him very, very well; because i live with him; & like him; every day & night since i was born! Don't believe in anything or anyone; but do everything what...........
god represents, is & does!

also i never ever excepted in my life that someone makes decisions on my behalf because i can look after my self & don't need anyone talking for me or deciding for me my life! Especially not these corrupt manipulated sociopaths (http://www.mcafee.cc/bin/sb.html) sitting in a corrupt goverment!

The elite, banker, money, politicians, leaders & the entire government system and structure is not the solution it's the entire problem that's what the people got to get into there thick dumb brains!

Also people have to understand that you can not fight satan's ways with a tooth pick or faulty respect only!
Satan's ways don't understand respect & morals he actually exists thrives & lives from it!
Ones people stop showing respect & morals to satan & his ways then he is dead for ever & eternity! 1 + 1 = 2 full stop!!!!!

i am writing this globally it's not directed to you personally! Ok! ;)

[oiram]

They are doing it again. Trying to fear the American public:eek: No! not again this is the way it always was; just now you can see it fiscally; that's the only difference!
Because before 9/11; you where sleeping & blinded permanently!

Anyone which has any hope that any politician will do the right thing must be totally naive or a dreamer!
Any, yes any Politician which signed up for a political career sold not only his live but also his soul for as long he works for the system & Government!
The only way for a politician to free him self from the system is to leave the system and pyramid organization; this is the only way!
There is not one politician which can or could be trustworthy because he has to follow what he gets told by his higher up!
Now looking at it logically if Bush would be the Top man in your government structure and he would be an asshole then your entire Government will get the instruction from this asshole and the result is clear! Right!

But because Bush is not the Top authority in your Government structure; especially not when it comes to Market and Money direction & decisions he is also a Nobody like all others & are always just a Puppet for the next boss up right up to the Director!

Only the Top authority will give and make all final decisions and will give all his instructions down the ranks, down the ranks, right to the bottom of the Pyramid!
Now you and me we are not part of the Pyramid structure and we are the one which keep the Pyramid maintained by feeding it with our taxes & works!

If your boss is an asshole then his entire organization earlier or later will turn into asshole of a company!
There is not one, yes not one Pyramid system structure which will get his orders from the bottom moving upward!
All which are working in the Pyramid structure will only report to direct! That’s why usually every company has a Director directing his own organization because it is his organization & he will not ever accept directions from anyone; just working for his Organization!
Full Stop!

Now stop dreaming that there is any politician especially the one sitting right on the bottom of the pyramid like your Congress would do anything for you because you say so not even being part of the inner Pyramid structure!

Now if the Director told the Puppet Bush that he wants this Bailout of 700Billion then this task and object has to be achieved no matter what
“Full stop” & no arguments!

Fact and Reality in a Pyramid system if the Director directed you to do something he will never take his instruction back or change it in any fundamental fashion way or form; because if he would do this he would lose his power & respect toward all & everyone down the entire Pyramid!
Full stop!

Now if anyone would have the guts to go against the instruction from the Director of Mafia Pyramid structure there are only 4 ways!
1) You leave the Pyramid structure = Directors original Bailout instruction still stands!
2) Your Director will kick your ass out of the Pyramid structure = Directors original Bailout instruction still stands!
3) Your Director gets you killed = Directors original Bailout instruction still stands!
4) Your killed or got the Director & owner of the Pyramid System killed = Directors original Bailout instruction died with him!

Note:
You may need to kill 12 Directors at the same time because the Capstone of the pyramid was not only made up from one individual entity only!

Now you may realized that there is no mention anywhere that you had any input or output in this decision making to change the Directors original Bailout instruction!

So don’t ever, ever believe that the Director of the pyramid will do what the Public needs, demands or wants!

Stop hoping & dreaming!
1) The Public has no saying in anything ever!
2) Your Congress got no saying in anything!
3) Your President has no saying in anything!

Full Stop!


Conclusion:
Get rid of the Source of the Problem "Director of Pyramid" then all Wars & market problems will stop over night!
No short cut no midway or any other solution! None!
Full Stop!

Democracy in a Pyramid System does not exist! = There is either one or more then one giving directions "Directors Owners!"!
Full Stop!

Democracy outside of the inner Pyramid = No! Democracy only a Game play! Game plan supplied by the Director executed by his Puppets!
Full Stop

Logic Reality & Truth for me!
Full Stop

You don't Trust me! OK then; just ask God because he knows all!]

[oiram]

The Money Masters - An in depth view of the Federal Reserve

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

http://www.thelastoutpost.com/Portals/_TheLastOutpost/images/default/Fiat-Empire.jpg

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**FLASH** The REAL REASON For The Bailout (Hint: FOREIGNERS) - YouTube

LIES OF OMISSION - OUR SOUTHERN BORDERS
http://www.newswithviews.com/Graham/cj109.htm

[oiram]

Is it true; is it falls; who really knows?

Morals are dead;
morals are back;
who really gives a crap?

Is it true?
Is it truth?
is it real?
is it falls?
who really knows?
one thing is fact!
it's all in your head!
reality is back!

What I see;
what I hear;
what is here;
what is there;
what matters is clear;
the truth is fear;
reality is clear!

Wisdom Truth & Reality! :D
if you eat;
you will shit;
you don't shit;
you will die!

This is no Lie!
Who really likes to die? ;)

[cruise4]

"The elite, banker, money, politicians, leaders & the entire government system and structure is not the solution it's the entire problem that's what the people got to get into there thick dumb brains!"

Spot on. Tinkering with this nonsense is useless. It has to go. We MUST govern ourselves. People seem totally scared by this. Why? Everyone's life would dramatically improve in Hour 1.

[oiram]

"The elite, banker, money, politicians, leaders & the entire government system and structure is not the solution it's the entire problem that's what the people got to get into there thick dumb brains!"
Spot on. Tinkering with this nonsense is useless. It has to go. We MUST govern ourselves. People seem totally scared by this. Why?
Everyone's life would dramatically improve in Hour 1. . . . . . . . What Would Jesus Do?! (http://flickr.com/photos/72535313@N00/2082826967). . . . . . . . . . . Jesus gives slavery thumbs up! (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2394)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2328/2082826967_8165ca8065.jpg?v=0 (http://flickr.com/photos/72535313@N00/2082826967). http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/swampthingdick/9_funny_jesus_thumbs_up-1.jpg (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=383774345)

[emanuel]

At this rate?




Never!

[oiram]

At this rate?
Never!:eek::D:D:D:D:D

[middleway00]

when will we wake up?
























right now!

[oiram]

The Delusion of Voting for the Lesser of Two Evilshttp://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=410625#410625
In my opinion, the main reason that Constitutionalists and Conservatives keep losing ground year after year, election after election, is because of the doctrine of the “lesser of two evils.” You hear it all of the time. “Well I’m going to bite my tongue and vote for the rascal because the other rascal is worse.” Or, “I’m not going to vote for the third party candidate because I would just be throwing my vote away.”

But many do not understand the Power of Principle. Even if the bad guys are elected, the good guys might wake up and nominate better candidates the next time. But if they think that it makes no difference, they will never make the necessary changes. For instance: the Democrats know that in the end the Jews and Blacks are going to be in their corner, and the Republicans know that the conservatives and Christian Right will vote with them when push comes to shove. Well, maybe it’s just time that we fool them.

Robert E. Smith is the Black pastor of the Evangelical Outreach Center of Little Rock, Arkansas. He is one of the 33 pastors that was recruited by the Alliance Defense Fund of Phoenix, Arizona, and is defying the IRS, and planned to preach a politicized sermon on September 28 in violation of the Internal Revenue Code. However, Pastor Smith missed his flight from New Jersey and didn’t have an opportunity to preach his prepared text in front of the media cameras that were waiting for him. If he had made it, he had planned to warn his congregation and fellow Blacks across the nation to refrain from voting for Barak Obama because of his pro-abortion stance. He was prepared to say that abortion is killing the black race far more than drugs and gangs in America.

Another example of the tide turning toward a third party candidate is the recent endorsement of the Constitutional Party Candidate Chuck Baldwin by Congressman Ron Paul. I personally know that great numbers of my friends will vote for him. He will also be the main speaker on Wednesday night, October 15, at the Unregistered Baptist Fellowship Meeting in Indianapolis, Indiana.

Following is an outstanding article that puts this whole issue in perspective entitled The Evil of Two Lessers by Marty Tate, Pastor of the Peaceful Valley Baptist Church in Rising Fawn, Georgia.

The flaw in this logic is two-fold:
1. God’s people are never required or commanded in scripture to do the “lesser” evil. We are commanded to do what is right.

2. Under the “lesser of two evils” argument, we may only vote for whichever candidate has a “chance” of winning the election.
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=1147.new#new

Here is the Formula to solve the equation!

G) = Government System = Evil :mad:
LR) = Laws & Rules = created by a Evil Government http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif
D) = Democrats = working for the Evil
R) = Republican = working for the Evil
E)= Lesser of two Evils = Evil http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif
P) = Third Party = working for the Evil
V) = "You have the Right to Vote" http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon2.gif (YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT VOTE http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon4.gif)
F) = Personal Freedom
S) = Solution & Salvation with no Evil http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif
GD)= (God consciouses = {Logic & Love for the Truth to create a positive Reality!} = (To do what you Love, is just & right for your self !) ;)

G + LR + D + V= E
G + LR + R + V= E
G + LR + P + V= E

G + LR + D - V= F
G + LR + R - V= F
G + LR + P - V= F

E + F = S

S = GD

G + GD = FS = (Personal Freedom, Solution & Salvation with no Evil) http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Easy Right?;)
http://www.seancoon.org/wp-content/postimages/democratic_org_1.jpgI understand his point but I'm not sure exactly what God has to do with Government.What God has to do with Government?
Actually nothing at all!
That's why it always stands opposite to the Goverment!

GD)= (God consciouses = [ Logic & Love for the Truth to create a positive Reality! ]) = (To do what you Love, is just & right for your self ! )

[oiram]

Anyway here is the real problem!

(Now if this is not a Perfect match then I don't no what is? )

Profile of the SociopathGlibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

Incapacity for Love

Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

----------------------------
Added Qualities:

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world


http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

[oiram]

Latest insane Bailout must be a insane diversion strategy!

In my View this Bailout is a diversion
strategy for the entire Goverment System so they
don't lose there Power over the slaves!
(The Elite clearly is very desperate!)
Who controls Bernankito?
http://mapper.nndb.com/start/?id=94165
http://www.jsmineset.com/cwsimages/inventory/59125_PaulBernBailout.jpg

This is specifically addressed to our American Friends!!!

This is only my personal opinion & conclusion out of this situation!

I believe people miss the biggest point of all because of the Elite & Governments self created Financial crises!

Just look at you all; how busy you are all; talking about the $$$ problem!

In my view the biggest crises in the moment the Goverment has to stay in power because they know very well about the sentiment of the Public toward the Goverment system in General!

You have an Election right in front of you;
now just imagine the People would not Vote for ANYONE on THIS SPECIAL MOST IMPORTANT Election?

You know what this would mean for the Elite and Leaders!

So what better way to divert all of your minds; toward the Financial crises!
Because of your diversion to another bigger problem you will all forget about the real problem!

That's what I really think is going on & yes the Crises got to be big enough to get you all off track & of the most important issue; which is your entire Goverment system overall!

That's my input think about it it's not the first time they using the mind-control diversion system!

Don't get fooled again like with 9/11
( Just watch very careful what the MSM will concentrate on until the upcoming Election!!!)

You may think you can not die twice but I am not so sure???


A Note To a Potential Congressman
"Federal Reserve act of 1913" thereby establishing a private bank
that would centrally control all other banks and create a de facto bank monopoly. http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=36389
I love beating my head against the wall I guess. With this new vote on bailout II, I thought I'd really dumb things down to make sure we are understood. This was hard for me to write as I'm "short" on America. And I've bet this plan will pass because I am not yet that dumb. In the end though, I still see only one end.
Bear in mind, that this was written as simply as possible to illustrate reality. Compare my style to any political attack ad you have been seeing lately. Feel free to make it better so we can send it again! It was only a first draft with no time to reconsider...much like the bailout plan itself. At least I tried. Remember, I know this guy personally and his family as well as he knows mine. Here follows...

Hello Erik,
Well, here we are at the economic crossroads of history. The very crossroads that we were told for the last year as the American public, we would never see. Have we ever managed to do it this time! I spoke with Ryan tonight and he seemed to get the impression that you might be unclear on certain aspects of what the second bailout proposal of this week actually means for us. I doubt that is the case but I will humor him by providing a non-CNBC tainted summary of how we arrived at this point. I skip the first parts of the age of central banking, although the aventures of Andrew Jackson are definitely worth reading when you get the time.

On December 23, 1913, a handful of corrupt Congressmen enacted legislation entitled the "Federal Reserve act of 1913" thereby establishing a private bank that would centrally control all other banks and create a de facto bank monopoly. This act was and still is completely un-Constitutional. At any rate, the U.S. now had a central bank backed by law. This bank would "supervise" the monetary policies of the U.S.. At this time, physical gold and silver, held by the U.S.Treasury was still considered to back any currency issued by the Federal Reserve system. In fact, this may have been the case, as gold and silver certificates stated that they could be redeemed on demand for specie or physical metal.
As most banks are in the business of making money, the primary source of this income would be interest on loans through a fractional reserve requirement. For example, if my bank, The Bank of Tom, has one dollar in reserve, I could loan ten dollars on that one dollar and HOPE that the depositor of that dollar didn't come asking for that dollar back until I recouped at least one dollar in return payments from the other ten debtors. In this way, I would avoid a bank run. I would be "leveraged" 10 to 1 on this bet. Pretty risky isn't it? But to keep my lending/leverage under control, any money lent out would have to be backed by gold and silver and there is a finite amount of these metals. Gold and silver mitigate excessive greed in this sense. Of course, if there were a run on my bank, I could ostensibly go to another bank and lend money to cover the run. In theory. Or, I could print up some new notes that I could offer to concerned patrons in the hopes that they think they are getting something for nothing and might come back later. We already have a problem brewing here don't we?

MAGIC! So the Bank of Tom, now being part of the federal reserve system, doesn't have to worry because "the other bank" is the fed itself and I can borrow from it at a discounted rate from that which I charge my customers. This is a pretty slick way to make money! The Bank of Tom, not knowing when well enough was well enough gets greedy. I start to lend out at 15 to 1 leverage, increase the money supply by printing more "redeemable notes" and I lower my interest rates to make the loans more attractive to customers. I start pulling in even more profits but I don't increase my reserve of metals. But heck, things are great so I start lending at 20 to 1 and increase the money supply. Even better!!! MORE MONEY than ever is coming into my bank and I am building castles to live in and throwing wild parties. But this is not enough for me. I need more! So I drop my rates yet again; my margins are thin, but I have so much money coming in that I don't care. It's party time!!! By now, wall street outsiders are lending money from me to make wild bets on the stock market because they think they can't lose. Everyone will be rich! It's a GAURANTEE!! I still haven't increased my metals holding though. Why should I? Everyone wants cash anyway.(it's easier to carry anyway) So I leverage my bank to 30-1. This is fun, easy "work" isn't it.

Then one day, someone gets nervous and calls.(margin call) The Bank of Tom is mighty and has plenty of cash. The margin caller wants gold and silver though. I have only enough to pay out one customer. This isn't so fun after all. I sweat and I fidget. "Maybe I should have been more carefull" I start thinking. I telegraph my banker buddies and they are nervous too as we are all out of metal reserves. Just one more withdrawal and we are insolvent. And then that customer comes in and asks for a withdrawal. We don't have it. Word spreads that we are busted and bank runs start. Welcome to the Great Depression. The Bank of Tom is insolvent but I'm not, I have millions socked away in metals that I have surreptitiously been hoarding on the side.

The public is outraged and elects Comrade FDR. Gold is blamed for the whole mess and is confiscated from an electorate who doesn't know any better. But gold is not confiscated from me because I am a "pillar" of the banking world and I have friends. Really good friends. But Comrade FDR just isn't happy about the economic recovery so we just ditch gold altogether. It will take a war of epic proportions to rectify the balance of the world and this occurs easily as it turns out that other banks around the world were pulling the same scam that I was. Our country emerges on top of the melee and we sign an agreement that our dollar, which is now stabilized because of our military prowness and new capabilities, is the new reserve currency of the world. That agreement is called Bretton-Woods and in fact does establish the U.S. dollar as the reserve currency of the world. A currency against which all other currency is measured because we back it by the gold we confiscated a few years earlier. Hey, now we are getting somewhere again. But we need an enemy. This enemy should be of the sort that can be a perpetual enemy so we can always justify our actions. The people will like and believe this. So the Bank of Tom is back in business once again! And off I go with my leveraging of dollars. I am careful at first because the threat is real of an overseas altercation. By 1970, things are really going awry in the U.S.. We are in the middle of an unwinnable war. The ecomony is sluggish. France gets mad about how we are financing this war in Vietnam and how the dollar could actually be worth it's weight in gold. France, margin calls the U.S. on the reserve gold requirement and the dollar. We don't have it in the treasury of course.(I have it in MY tresury now) So we default on the Bretton-Woods agreements under the auspices that a "free-floating" currency should be created. This free-floating currency will be good for economic growth so we fire up the printing presses and off we go. We went a little crazy and printed too much and caused massive inflation because it seemed that foreign investment was not excited about this printing idea very much. Some other events happened to facilitate some unrest but we made it through. Volcker jacked up interest rates to nearly 20% and tamed our little mistake. We let the rest of the world catch up and accept the idea of free-floating currencies.

I'm still leveraging my bank. In fact, that is all we do. And it is not just my bank, but the whole federal reserve system. The best part is hat we have at least half of the world playing along with us. This is largely because of the "Evil Empire" and the fact that if "allied nations" don't play along, we will cut their military aid or invade them. It is a mutually beneficial situation to the Bank of Tom. Nothing can stop me. Nothing can stop my printing presses. Movies about me are made where I make statements like "Greed is good". Nothing can stop this train now!

By now, I have my fingers in everything but there is one more source to be tapped even further. Taxes aren't enough. The American consumer is ready to spend what it doesn't have or earn, after the "fall" of the "evil empire". Since I have no restraints, I simply issue credit to those who may or may not pay me back. I am now the entire financial services industry. My buddies at other banks do the same and are the same. We dream up, through the use of computer models, even more ways to make even more money and increase the money supply exponentially by the issuance of this credit. One great idea we come with is that we can make "bonds" available to suckers who are wall street outsiders. We call these bonds many names but "mutual funds" sums them up best. Mostly they are bonds issued on someone else's debt, like, say, a mortgage. We buy off the ratings agencies who in turn rate the bonds AAA investment grade. If we combine enough bonds from different places, we can then make derivatives. In this way, we can sell them to you as a loss mitigation tool and/or a gauranteed high return on investment.(for us) Whatever it takes to sucker you into buying them. It's a beautiful thing we have here! Sometimes we call them "financial products" or "financial instruments". Basically, we are increasing our leverage and we are now at...well I'll tell you later. Guess what, we like to do what are called "credit default swaps". Mostly we do this to confuse the suckers, er, customers I mean. We buy insurance on one another's bonds to guarantee a payout! Loss mitigation.

Back to the leverage now. The Bank of Tom is leveraged at 60-1. Twice the rate of leverage that caused the Great Depression. And now we have the first customers coming into the bank again. And we really have nothing to offer on the call because we are so overextended. The Bank of Tom is not sorry, nor is it liable. Here is what is worse, I have more assets, on the side, that are not connected to my bank and are safe, but I still want more. And I want more from the American people, or any people I can abuse. I want this final bailout because this game has run it's course now. I have no intention of helping out "mainstreet" because fiat currencies/economies always implode. They simply have to. A bailout is simply a way for me to get a little more and to help my "friends" assume total govermental control. There is no fix to this mess save another massive war. And why am I not liable? Because the whole banking game is merely a macroeconomic version of a state sanctioned casino. But with a casino, you have a choice whether or not you wish to play. With the federal reserve system, you have no choice.

So where are we now Erik? In my simplified version of recent financial events, we can see several unnerving facts. First of all, we have no gold to confiscate. No one who owns gold these days will give the govt one single gram. Second, we can't even field a military force that can win a war anymore. How many times have we won the war in Iraq now? And we think we should start a war with Russia? Get real. Third, no one really believes a govt bailout will work. We are a financial and military joke overseas now. It is time for wall street to collapse under it's own leveraged weight. The free market is destroyed by ridiculous bans on short selling banks with bad balance sheets. Wall street will fail anyway regardless of bailout or not. The free market is gone and with it the United States as we knew it. 401K investors were GAMBLING. They are NOT entitled to any guaranteed returns. Nor are "homeowners" unless they own the home outright. We are a mess in all aspects and it is embarrassing. It is even more embarrassing to have so called "Republicans" like Ramstad and Coleman in our party. They are clearly not Republicans.
The passage of this bailout bill will not serve the taxpayer. The taxpayer will not realize a net gain on bad paper. If the paper was still good, why is not on the market? The answer? Because it is WORTHLESS!!! Government intervention will cause a default on US T-bills. Foreign investment, other than state sanctioned manipulation, will not come back to buy such worthless paper. I will NOT fight in ANY war promulgated by wall street.(isn't this Madia's position?) It's time for you realize this. It is time for you to act Erik. The student must become the mentor RIGHT NOW. If not, your campaign is likely lost. It is time for you to come home. We are here to help you in this if you decide to listen. We need each other on these matters.

[oiram]

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[oiram]

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[oiram]

http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=34979&start=105
I understand his point but I'm not sure exactly what God has to do with Government.Religion supposedly teaches believers that God expects them to do what is right. Pastor Mary Tate points our that voting for the lesser of two evils clearly isn't right. She expects that anyone who actually says that s/he is a believer should not compromise on principle and seems to suggest that believers need to look to the third parties that are much more palatable to most Christian teaching. Let me add that Muslims, Christians and Jews would actually find a great deal of common ground among some of the alternative parties.Personally for me "people having different believes is not a problem at all" but my logic & personal experience tells me that all Religious Organisations & Government Organisations are two of the lesser Evil & going hand in hand & supporting each other to fulfil there overall Evil general agenda!
No doubt there are some very opened minded & good Christians but they usually don't end up in Church Organisations every Sunday to receive the newly updated programming & indoctrination!
For me believing means absolutely nothing and is irrelevant in my book; but implementing & DOING a positive believe on a personal level means everything!

Here are my special examples:
I believe in Gods ways but I lie?
I believe in Gods ways but I steal?
I believe in Gods ways but I manipulate?
I believe in Gods ways but I am jealous of my neighbour?
I believe in Gods ways but I don't show my man, woman & child respect?
I believe in Gods ways but I give false witness?
I believe in Gods ways but I don't respect the freedom of others?
I believe in Gods ways but I use others to have personal gains?
I believe in Gods ways but I corrupt?
I believe in Gods ways but I kill & murder on orders.......etc.. etc ...etc

Maybe this is only my reality but this is what I see, feel, hear & live with every day all over the World!
So what is wrong with you all don't you know the Truth??
Bush, Chaney & ALL Co. including all congress people would say SO FUCKING WHAT WHO CARES! "NOT US!!"

How could anyone except Satan & his ways disagree that these are not Gods ways!
So what are they teaching in Church, for whom are they working... definitely not for God like ways!

People which really believe will never ever use there mouth to make there point; they will give you prove & show you by DOING; because DOING & FEELING is the only thing which equals the REAL TRUTH!

You know why people don't know the TRUTH because they only talking big holes into the air & don't DO & FEEL the TRUTH!

Talking & Doing are two different Universes one is belong to Satan the other one is Gods Universe!

People who need to talk LOVE don't know what real LOVE & TRUTH is!
You can not talk respect because you only can show it!

So the next time anyone tells you that he Loves you tell him to shut the heck up and instead shows you the Reality & real Truth of there meaningless words only! :wink:

Full stop period end of school no more discussion needed!
No need for any rhetoric to correct this error & misfits by saying they are not all like this because the exceptions don't need correction to there behaviours!

I Love the Truth & Truth is me!
You like me to show you; because I know that talking does not work ever .... ever !

. . . . .Do I believe in God or Jesus?
"NO NEVER EVER!" because I only; "DO!"
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Note: . . . . The answer which logically only can be found by DOING!
Pontius Pilot asked the question, to Jesus "What is truth?"
Jesus did not reply! . . . . . . . . But do you know Why??
Because the Truth; don't need to be spoken! "Truth is Doing not talking!"
"This is Reality if you live it!"
I do! & I Love you all too; because I showed & proved it to You!

[oiram]

A Surfeit of Jesuses!
But No "Jesus of Nazareth"Artificial
'The Jesus of the Gospels is an artificial creation, a collective work of art who evolved through the combined consciousness of two generations of Christian worship.'
Was there a Jesus? Of course there was a Jesus – many! (http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/surfeit.htm)
But was there a crucified Jesus? Certainly. Jesus ben Stada was a Judean agitator who gave the Romans a headache in the early years of the second century. He met his end in the town of Lydda (twenty five miles from Jerusalem) at the hands of a Roman crucifixion crew. And given the scale that Roman retribution could reach – at the height of the siege of Jerusalem the Romans were crucifying upwards of five hundred captives a day before the city walls – dead heroes called Jesus would (quite literally) have been thick on the ground. Not one merits a full-stop in the great universal history.
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The Lost City (http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.html)Where Did They Get Their Ideas From?
The 'Lord's Prayer'? – No, just re-hashed Jewish litany

The New Testament is awash with prayers, hymns, and confessional statements. Tellingly, the early church did not attribute to its superhero the actual words of any of its prayers or hymns (something we might have expected of a great 'Teacher') ... A sole exception appears to be 'Our Father' – but is it??
What becomes obvious is that the 'Lord's Prayer' evolved along with the legend of 'the Lord' himself.
In the first four centuries of Christianity references to the 'Lord's Prayer' actually are quite rare. Sure, it is to be found in Matthew chapter 6 and Luke chapter 11. But none of the Christian Apologists, for example, even mention it by name! Archaeology provides little evidence either: the 'Bodmer XIV' papyrus and another found in Antinoöpolis point to the 3rd or 4th centuries.
But a version of the prayer is to be found in a curious early second century document called the Didache. In this tract (aka Teaching of the Twelve Apostles) we find a familiar refrain (chapter 8.2):
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[oiram]

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Our "Leaders" are Sex Addicts
by Henry Makow Ph.D
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The world is set to drop into the central bankers' outstretched hand like a ripe peach from a tree. Illuminati bankers are harvesting the fruit of their centuries-old plot to destroy Christian Civilization and trap humanity on an eternal treadmill of greed, sex, violence, trivia and political correctness.

They have succeeded because we have no leaders. They select obedient blackmailed perverts to execute their design. I always marveled that Bill Clinton betrayed the dignity of his office and the trust of 300 million people for a blow job. But, in retrospect, a sex addict is the rule rather than the exception when it comes to our "leaders" (i.e. managers.)

"President Clinton has been very helpful to us," a banker confided in 1998. "We knew of what character he was before we placed him as president. Exposing him was very helpful in adjusting the moral habits of the youth downward. This is to our advantage. Even more agreeable to us were the vain efforts of those who thought they could remove him against our will. He is useful to us and he will not be removed by anyone until we are ready to have him removed."

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[oiram]

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Yesterday, if you listened closely, you could hear the sound of John McCain selling off the internet to his campaign backers, the cable and telecom interests. After being shocked by a 3-2 vote punishing Comcast for illegal behavior at the FCC, cable interests are freaking out and using every tool at their disposal to reinstitute discipline among wavering Republicans.

The cable and telecom pushback started with former telecom lobbyist and current FCC Commissioner Robert McDowell, who is desperate to become Chairman of the FCC under a McCain administration, launching a salvo against internet freedom, claiming that net neutrality would lead to censorship of the internet and requirements that bloggers and sites like Google offer 'equal time' to different views. This incoherence was quickly picked up by the Drudge Report, all to be timed with the coming release of McCain's technology policy, which is slated to come out this week or next. McDowell, who of the five FCC Commissioners is by far the most favorable to cable, did this at the Heritage Foundation. He even warned his side that there are more dissident conservatives like Kevin Martin getting ready to come out for net neutrality, a clear sign they know they are losing this fight and need to reframe their strategy.

Matt Stoller :: McCain Prepares to Hand the Internet Over to Comcast, Verizon, AT&T
"Then, whoever is in charge of government is going to determine what is fair, under a so-called 'Fairness Doctrine,' which won't be called that - it'll be called something else," McDowell said. "So, will Web sites, will bloggers have to give equal time or equal space on their Web site to opposing views rather than letting the marketplace of ideas determine that?"Net neutrality: An American problem?
McCain Prepares to Hand the Internet Over to Comcast, Verizon, AT&T
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[emanuel]

I like your persistence and determination!

[oiram]

I like your persistence and determination!Thank You!
I am living in Hell for the last 5 years because of these Criminal murdering Governments & manipulative Bankers!
Now it's my turn waited for this time 30 years to arrive!
Every single soul woken up is a soul saved & was worth the effort! http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif
These liars & criminals which hijacked Humanity have to be stopped no matter what!
All we have learned in school was just a great big hoax! http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif
I always hated school what a waist of time sitting all this time in a Brainwashing institution! :mad::mad:
I Hope all agree?

We all have to wake up especially the young generation!
Maybe there is no Satan but definitely they are representing Satan's ways 100%!

If people miss out on this opportunity I guarantee Hell will be the Future & you wont like it I'm sure!

[oiram]

In my View this Bailout is a diversion
strategy for the entire Goverment System so they
don't lose there Power over the slaves!
(The Roman Elite clearly is very desperate!)
Who controls Bernankito?
http://mapper.nndb.com/start/?id=94165Screaming in a Burning Theater: Zero Bank Reserves
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/30/01617/5440/126/615177Bush's Bail-Out for the Banks - a scam or not?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=537118$2,300,000,000,000 Missing from Pentagon
http://www.youtube.com/v/y2xeeU0r8CMLehman Cash Crunch Caused by Lender JPMorgan, Creditors Say
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aOBEg1wAitck&refer=homeNobody is getting it - the $700B BailOut.
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=409439The Money Masters - An in depth view of the Federal Reserve
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936IS BANK BAILOUT A ROTHSCHILD TRICK?http://www.ljpr.info/http://www.jsmineset.com/cwsimages/inventory/59125_PaulBernBailout.jpgZeitgeist Addendum Movie Here: (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm)http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htmFed Speaking Out Both Sides Of Mouth
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2008/09/24.htmlTrouble in Banktopia: The financial system is blowing up
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3803.shtmlHow to Destroy America
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=962RON PAUL ANSWERS BUSH ON BAIL OUT
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=409198#409198Who owns what
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=407942#407942Guilty as Charged! Yes! Yes!
http://www.youtube.com/v/7qA3cpYiz5k"Is the U.S. Bankrupt?"
http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/global_banking/globalist_ultimatum%3a_pay_up_or_collapse_20080909 98/Babylon has fallen
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http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=1e95d8577cb846adb26cd3732d93fd06&siteid=nwhpf&sguid=TYryV8UT9kaQ5aga-CXQKQYou have the RIGHT TO NOT VOTE!

[oiram]

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[oiram]

Statement by the President's Working Group on Financial MarketsWashington, DC-- The President's Working Group on Financial Markets issued the following statement today:

Conditions in U.S. and global financial markets remain extremely strained. The President's Working Group on Financial Markets (PWG) is working with market participants and regulators globally to address the current challenges and restore confidence and stability to financial markets around the world.

With the passage of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (EESA), Congress has granted important new authorities to the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and the FDIC. These new authorities will be employed in conjunction with existing authorities to restore market confidence by strengthening the balance sheets of financial intermediaries and improving overall market functioning.

The diversity of institutions and markets under stress, and the magnitude and complexity of the adjustment underway, requires that the tools available to policymakers, regulators and supervisors be used in forceful and coordinated ways across regulatory and supervisory agencies in the United States and throughout the world. This will involve moving with substantial force on a number of fronts. These broad initiatives are outlined below.
Strengthening Financial Institutions
http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/hp1177.htm
Fed Boosts Cash Auctions to $900 Billion, May Do More (Update4)
http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&refer=news&sid=ad_vdapfkxao

By Scott Lanman and Craig Torres
Oct. 6 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve will double its auctions of cash to banks to as much as $900 billion and is considering further steps to unfreeze short-term lending markets as the credit crunch deepens.

``The Federal Reserve stands ready to take additional measures as necessary to foster liquid money-market conditions,'' the central bank said in a statement released in Washington today. The Fed and Treasury are ``consulting with market participants on ways to provide additional support for term unsecured funding markets,'' including short-term corporate financing called commercial paper, the statement said.

Bernanke Speech
Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke's speech on the economic outlook tomorrow in Washington should give an indication of whether U.S. central bankers are prepared to cut the main rate before the next meeting Oct. 28-29, Rupkey said.
This guy on the today show/jim kramer is telling ann curry (for viewers) to take everything you have out of the stock market NOW.
Tell me that wasnt pressing a panic button for a collapse?!!

A few words come to mind...
"Economic Emergency" "Bank Holiday" "Force Majuere" "Suspend Elections" "Remain Calm"
Money As Debt
Anyone who hasn't watched "Money http://www.moneyasdebt.net/
As Debt," an animated DVD by Paul Grignon, should consider purchasing
this extraordinary explanation of money's origin in an economy totally
dependent on debt. Almost everyone has seen footage of federal
printing presses cranking out paper money, and some of us have even
visited a government mint or two and have observed the process
firsthand. But like so many other illusions with which the U.S. economy is
replete, money is not created by government printing presses.
Dow Falls Below 10,000 As Fear Spreads
The Dow Jones Industrial Average was down nearly 500 points, or 5
percent, falling briefly below 10000, a level it hasn't seen in nearly four
years. The Dow first hit 10,000 at the end of March, 1999.
(Track the Dow winners and losers.) (http://www.cnbc.com/id/27047598)
(Quote by "Klepht")
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1959/bush08yh4.jpg
Vote Bush/Cheney to FINISH THE JOB.
One more term and we'll get economic "mission accomplished"


Yep! Great Job! Fuck-Head made it!!!!! :eek: :mad:
http://earthhopenetwork.net/bush%20art/time_cover_bush.jpg
:mad: I know what will happen next they
will ask for more Money of-cause!
Hah! Hah! .. So predictable!! ...
1+1=2 why not 1 more makes it 3 !! :mad:


Here is Good News but to Freaking Small! (What's up in Space?) :eek: :D
INCOMING ASTEROID:
A small, newly-discovered asteroid named 2008 TC3
is approaching Earth and chances are better than 99.8 that it will hit.
Steve Chesley of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory estimates that
atmospheric entry will occur on Oct 7th at 0246
UTC over northern Sudan to the Red Sea. Measuring only a few meters
across, the space rock poses no threat to people or structures on the
ground, but it should create a spectacular fireball, releasing about a
kiloton of TNT in energy as it disintegrates and explodes in the
atmosphere. Asteroids of this size hit Earth every few months,
but this is the first time one has been discovered before it hit
http://spaceweather.com/swpod2008/06oct08/vantuyne2_strip.jpg (http://spaceweather.com/)
http://spaceweather.com/

October 6, 2008
Massive miscalculation by Jewish folk will be the destruction of the state of Israel
http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/

[freedomlover1966]

"When will you people Wake up"?

Everyone on this site is trying to wake up my friend !!

Post Note: Although I have not yet had the time to read this thread, I appreciate the links and amount of time and energy you took.

Cheers !!!

[oiram]

"When will you people Wake up"? Everyone on this site is trying to wake up my friend !!
Post Note: Although I have not yet had the time to read this thread, I appreciate the links and amount of time and energy you took.
Cheers !!!Thank you!
I would like to change my Topic Name but it's not possible with this Forum setup!

**************More Info maybe I found something here??? **********************

Hah! I think I solved the big mystery; this Guy was a Grape & Wine Producer or Master plan developer!
Go Here for more Info: (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=547910&postcount=36)

Voynich Manuscript

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[oiram]

Like I said long time ago all Governments are in bed with each other!!http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif
Here you got the prove that they are all Puppets of the system getting there scripts supplied!

Dueling puppets

I'm speechless

Who's in charge?
I was under the impression that Canada and Australia were sovereign countries.
I guess not.
This video shows the heads of both these states reading the same exact statement - word for word - supporting the invasion of Iraq.
Who wrote this thing?
Who distributed it?
Who compelled these obvious puppets to read it?
The Queen? The CIA? Who runs these people.
Note: Canada's Harper was not yet Prime Minister when he made this speech selling out his country for god knows who - but he is now.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/439.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8YwJC_nBgw
Download Tool Here: http://www.saveflv.com/ ...... (After Download rename with extension (xxxx.flv)

[gordonfreeman]

Yes, most of humanity is still asleep. The majority being A' merica! :rolleyes:

I mean A miracle!

[jayelowell]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[oiram]

Anymore interesting News it's getting better every day!
Anyway fits the Zeitgeist story!

Jewish Scholar - 'Jewish
People' Were Invented
Book refuting Jewish taboo on Israel’s bestseller list http://www.thenational.ae/article/20081006/FOREIGN/279853798

TEL AVIV // No one is more surprised than Shlomo Sand that his latest academic work has spent 19 weeks on Israel’s bestseller list – and that success has come to the history professor despite his book challenging Israel’s biggest taboo.

Dr Sand argues that the idea of a Jewish nation – whose need for a safe haven was originally used to justify the founding of the state of Israel – is a myth invented little more than a century ago.

An expert on European history at Tel Aviv University, Dr Sand drew on extensive historical and archaeological research to support not only this claim but several more – all equally controversial.

In addition, he argues that the Jews were never exiled from the Holy Land, that most of today’s Jews have no historical connection to the land called Israel and that the only political solution to the country’s conflict with the Palestinians is to abolish the Jewish state.

The success of When and How Was the Jewish People Invented? looks likely to be repeated around the world. A French edition, launched last month, is selling so fast that it has already had three print runs.
Jewish Scholar - 'Jewish People' Were Invented (Even on Rense side is it not a Jewish person owning the side?)
http://www.rense.com/general83/schol.htm

An invention called 'the Jewish people'
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Articles/General/Story8861.html

A Short Review of a Troubled History (So many things are counteractive!)
http://www.jcrelations.net/en/?id=836

[lakkimakki]

When will you people Wake up?

Please just put you're self mentally into the position to have all the power over all the Economy, all natural resources on this earth and you have an infinitive amount of money available which would never end as long the earth will exist!

Now what would you do; yes you not others?
Would you distribute it to all & everyone equally ore would you be discriminative to any country person regardless of status or color .... etc?

Now if you worked this one out you have all the answers what is wrong with our system, who is running it, why you are paying tax, getting kicked out of your house, why the Police and system is intimidating you every day, why you don't have your dream job you always liked to do, why people die for absolute nothing then just egoisms, jealousy, greed, racist thinking & the power hunger over other individuals!

But after you worked out this one & you also one of the ones discriminating anyone on this earth for what ever reason you also one more person to be put on the list of criminals in this world!

If I have this power all this shit would stop in a matter of one year and I will get a 90% approval rating from the world's population!

I am not joking & very serious with this!
Work this one out for your self then you know how very simple it is to solve everything; but forget what you learned and got indoctrinated with in school!

Don't tell me I am a Idiot, Nuts, or a moron because I am absolutely not; if you still presume that I am then I say you are the one which deserves this title! You will say it's impossible and I tell you it's NOT and it's all up to you to make this decision!
But do you even like to know how it could be achieved that's one more key question you have to ask your self!

For me to have this knowledge and I do & I'm very confident about it I will always be in control of this knowledge above you no matter what education title you are holding!

Like the saying goes who has the knowledge has the power; but it depends on what you do with the knowledge to get respected!

Work it out!
If I was able to find the answer; means I know that you also can if you try! Ones you found this knowledge we talk again!
Then you have to tell me what you found & I will confirm if your are correct or close to it what I know & understand now!

Note:
Please! I am not looking for arguments; I talk about understanding something & a consequent solution scenario!
The entire point I make is about self realisation!
You need at least an IQ of minimum of 100 points!
You have to be a very logical thinker!
Also you have to be absolutely opened minded and absolutely none discriminative!
If you don't have this quality's don't even try because I know you can not find the answer to my question!

Also I predict that I will not get many answers because my knowledge at present can not be found on the Internet because it's just a jungle of confusion and over information!

like you woke up !!:)

[oiram]

The entire Wall Street market is just a great big manipulated Gambling Hole & a control Computer Game to enslave the Public Sociologically!

Hi,It's a typical P-R-S situation...the markets are all going down, down, down....!!
This is what they (tptb) have been preparing for ever since 9/11 and before...indeed, by this time too, they also expected for the masses to be marching the streets...!?
Problem!? ...the chaos they created!!
How thankful I am, that is not the case...!!!
While it is true, this downward trend in the markets is in fact controlled...the longer this (downward) trend continues, the more they (tptb) will feel the pressure, co's by their estimations, by now their manipulation should have aroused enough discord among the masses...Reaction!?
Hmm...and thus initiating Martial Law!! Solution!!
The Truth is out people...the NWO they (tptb) envisaged, will NEVER be a reality because not even the Universe could succeed with manipulating Truth in the manner they do...!!
Good Luck, be strong, take care of yourselves and your loved ones...AND keep the pressure!!
May Truth prevail in the Universe!!Fully agree with your conclusion "Right on target!"I also hope the people will not give them the reaction they trying to force by there market manipulation!
Hope they all stand down & let them do what they want!
This way the people always can point the finger at someone & can blamed them all the way to jail!
All this market manipulation & not one ended up in-front of a court or ended up in jail! Hmm..!

Well bullion dealers are near sold out meaning Gold is high demand huge demand infact so gold price should be going way up the reason its down is because the central banks have an interest in suppresing the price of gold because the gold price reflects the stability of the dollar so high price of gold equals weak dollar therefore the banks put whats known as a short sell on paper gold which pushes the price down which is whats happened today and happens on regular accurances when gold begins to get to high, so the price of gold is like a beach ball being held underwater if they ever release their shorts it will shot up.Yes!
That's why Gold & Silver is not a Save haven at all; because they have the full control & power over all of this & can manipulate everything to there liking!
Also they manipulate the quantity's & supply of metals at particular times to suit there agenda!
The end Game process would be to confiscate the Metals from the Public & give you 5$ an ounce!
People are so slow to not understand that the entire Wall Street market is just a great big manipulated Gambling Hole & a control Computer Game to enslave the Public Sociologically!
A no win situation in this totally controlled & corrupt market!
People should Wake up earlier or later!
After hearing Bush's speech today, was drawn to the part in which he said "... one of these insured accounts, every penny of that money is safe."
Is it common to refer to the "penny" in the US or not - why not cents ? I'm always on the look out for strange anomalies in anything that these "people" say or do - not for trivial reasons but it helps to drive the point home when I am talking to others who still need convincing. Bush also referred to the penny in his (19th, I think) September speech.
Could this have some hidden meaning, especially as the UK has still not adopted the Euro and London is the financial capital of this brotherhood ?Penny talk Bush speech (code word??) Hint!
You Maybe on to something here; he talks about this Penny?
Penny Stocks: Insider Trading
http://www.secform4.com/penny-stocks.htmSuccessful Penny Stock trading means buying low and selling high before the market turns!
http://www.investingmomentum.com/?hop=tourofca
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/peeing-man.gifhttp://swiftreport.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/bush_gaythumb.jpg :D http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/peeing-man.gifhttp://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2008/4/1/bernanke.jpg

[oiram]

Registered political partie (NWO) in New Zealand NWO .... WTF???In about June of this year, the NWO, registered themselves with the New Zealand Electorial Commission. So in other words they are a registered party and can campaign. WTF??????....is that about. Look at the link below, all the parties registered have a website or page that you can click onto to find out who they are etc, all except NWO, scroll down this links page and you'll see a blank box, look to the right and it says simply New World Order. This is a government sight so you know its real. I wanted to know who they were and what their mission statement was, but I couldn't find them, so I email'd the Website contact (Elections NZ) and they told me that, thats all they submitted and that I needed to Google them and then phone them, did that, couldn't find them. This is scary, because we have our elections next month. They are a registered party.......freaky.......
http://www.elections.org.nz/maori/parties/registered-political-parties.html

[oiram]

First the FEDS STEAL MY SILVER
NOW The Local Sheriff is TAKING MY REAL ESTATE Rights!!!!
First the FEDS STEAL MY SILVER
NOW The Local Sheriff is TAKING MY REAL ESTATE Rights!!!!
so, do you think the Sheriff will let us pay the property taxes on these rental property a couple weeks late too ???
and get a load of it being called "exciting help" !!!!!!!
what are they going to do when there are NO more landlords????????

http://www.mlive.com/flintjournal/index.ssf/2008/10/foreclosures_prompt_genesee_co.html#more
Can we draw similarity's here? Don't forget who Hitler really was!Photo Copy in my view! http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080526130627AA14vhL
On the night of the 27th of February 1933 came the sensational news that the Reichstag building had been set on fire. Inside the building the police found a Dutch communist, Marius Van der Lubbe was arrested and charged with starting the fire. Van der Lubbe was put on trail and found guilty of starting the fire. Hitler used this as evidence that commonest was plotting his government.
On the night of the fire 4000 leading comments were arrested and imprisoned.
The next day Hitler persuaded the president to pass an emergency degree suspending all the articles in the constitution which guarantied personal liberty – such as freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. It gave the police the powers to search houses, to confiscate property and detain people with out trail.
The Legal Revolution
With in a few days of becoming chancellor Hitler ask the president to dissolve the Reichstag and call an election. Through this election Hitler hope to gain an overall majority the Nazi party and pass the laws he wanted.
In the election of March 1933 the Nazi party won 288 seats in the Reichstag, the national party 52 seats, the central party 74 seats, social demarcates 120 seats, and the communists 81 seats.
Although the Nazis had increased there number seats, they still had fewer then half the total. In order to change the constitution legally, Hitler needed a 2 third majority. He managed to do this by:
using the emergency decree to prevent the communists from taking up the 81 seats they had won.
Retaining the support of the national party, which had 52 seats.
Gaining the support of the centre party (74 seats), by promising to defend the interests of the catholic church.

With 2 thirds majority Hitler was now able to bring about his first change in the constitution. In March 1933 he introduced the enabling act. This was the legal foundation of his dictatorship because it meant he could now pass laws with out the consent of the Reichstag the next four years.
Bring Germany into line
Using the powers now given to him by the enabling act Hitler removed further opposition to the Nazi government.
On 31st March Hitler closed down the state parliaments. They were then reorganise so that the Nazis had a majority in each state of parliament. In the following month he appointed state governors who were all Nazis. They had the power to appoint and dismiss state officials and make state laws. In January 1934 Hitler abolished state parliament.
Next Hitler turned to the trade unions. On May the 2nd 1933 Nazis broke into trade union offices all over the country and arrested thousands of trade union officials. The unions then merged into a German labour front. These actions meant that the Nazis would not be threatened by strikes or other union activities.
Lastly the political parties were brought into line. On May 10th the Nazis occupied the offices of the social democratic party, detruded its newspapers and confiscated its funds.2 weeks later they confiscated all property and funds of the commonest party. Bu July 1933 only one party was still in existence – The Nazi party. Hitler made a law stating that the Nazi party was the only party aloud in the state.
How the purge was carried out
In the early hours of 30th of June 1934 Hitler arrived at a hotel in the Bavarian resort of Bad Wiessee together with Rohm and other leading members of the SA. Using his heaver armed SS, Hitler informed Rohn and the other leaders that they were under arrest. They were taken to Munich were they were shot. Over the next few days other leading members of the SA, such as Gregor Strasser, but also arrested by the SS and shot. Up to 200 people were killed, including politicians such as von Schleicher. He done this to remove possible rivals to his position.Here is my own new version to the original script! Looking for Similarity's!
All started here: on 9/11 the buildings came down!
Outside the building the police found a Muslim Passport and & blamed all on the Muslims!
Bush used this as evidence that Muslims was plotting his American Nation & government.
Then Bush from this Date onward blamed it all on the Terrorist Muslims!
After 9/11 many Muslims got arrested and imprisoned in Gautama Bay.
In the next Days Bush persuaded the to pass an emergency degree suspending all the articles in the constitution which guarantied personal liberty & such as freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. It gave the police the powers to search houses, to confiscate property and detain people with out trail.

The Legal Revolution

The election is called & around the corner. Through this election with Palin & McCain they hope to gain an overall majority for the Republican party and pass the laws he want.
The Republican party needs the majority but did not get is even so they call Obama being a Terrorist!
Then he used the emergency decree "Marshal law" to prevent the Democrats from taking up most of the seats they had won.
To Gain the financial support; he promising to defend the interests of the Jewish state!
Then he created the Economical crises by the support of all Bankers & big organizations!
Now we have to bring America into line! The big McCain speech!
They had the power to appoint and dismiss state officials and make state laws.
Then abolished state parliament.........etc
Do I really have to continue?
Just used the original script and continue on it will fit I'm sure!
Bush is Hitlers mirror Image in action!

[oiram]

Reality 101: Modern Day BankstersModern Day Bansters

The present crisis is not just an economic crisis as one astute writer on the subject put it. Yes, ­it is a political and an emotional crisis for everyone the world over also. The USA and indeed the world you knew in September of 2008 is no longer the same USA or world today at this writing in October of 2008. That USA and world landscape of September has died. What is unfolding now is a going to result in the end of the Western dominance of the global economy, along with the collapse of their economies and military capacities to carry out defense or more trade. We are experiencing some of the most dramatic and historic events in the history of the written word. The political and economic landscape of the world we live is being so massively changed as I type, and in ways that will not fully be understood for years as it is delved into by historians speaking about the Super Crash of 2008 as we have spoken of the Great Depression, that it boggles the mind to dwell on all the reasons behind it.

As one other astute writer has said, "we will shortly see the collapse of the economies and currencies of the USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand" ,and I will add that we have already seen the collapse of Iceland in these regards and witnessed unprecendented market shut downs in other countries around the world. He continued, "the speed of this collapse is catching many by surprise. It will happen once their overseas investors withdraw confidence in their economies and withdraw all of their capital in our money system. Without being able to roll over their loans there will be a collapse of their currencies and defaulting on their international debt obligations."

After this takes place a domino effect will ensue. They cannot fix this massive multi level problem by continuing to contribute to the problem by dumping more money into a system that devalues each dollar created anew. Thanks to usury banking there has never been enough money printed to pay back even the 'true' debt of the United States alone let alone the debts of the rest of the world. The western cultures will be blamed for the economic crisis that has engulfed our planet, which is inevitably going to cause more of the same hatred of whites and particularly Americans the whole world over only magnified many times over and by even more people now than before.

History teaches us that in other cultures when new money could no longer be created that certain consistant themes in behavior showed up repeatedly by goverments from one culture to the next. This is the case for Babylon, on up to today. For example, when the Roman Empire needed to create new money in a tapped out society the money changers petitioned the government to free the slaves as a last resort. The slaves were freed and this allowed the money lenders a 'clean slate' to loan money to since the existing free citizens and soldiers had been tapped out financially and could no longer obtain the necessary credit and since the government had used up it's credit, being flat broke, which meant it could not afford to loot another culture of it's wealth since it could no longer afford it.

In America we did not have slaves to free. So the money lenders did much the same as the Romans did at first and privately approached those in charge for solutions. At first making loans easier to obtain managed to work to solve the immediate problems seen early on by many, but those in the know were aware that this would never fix anything permanently. At best it was a temporary fix from one bubble to the next. Then in time this 'solution' came back to the top to present itself as yet another problem that became a bit of a thorn in everyone's side. So, in an effort to fix the problem once again loans were made easier still, only this time appraisers over inflated values of properties and homes, and de-regulation was the norm in the banking industry allowing banks to outright lie to get a new loan approved.

Then once again the Fed reduced interest rates and allowed citizens to refinance their existing home loans which had already been refinanced once or more only now they had the opportunity to do so at a better rate than the last one while at the same time allowing them to pay off unsecured credit card debt by borrowing against the new found equity in their homes. This of course backfired because those same people that paid off their credit cards using the equity in their homes simply ran the credit cards back up again to their limits only being able to make minimum payments putting themselves right back in the same boat they were in before refinaning only worse since now their home values, once inflated blatantly were dropping to the more realistic values they never really rose above in the first place. Of course this was all to the great joy of the short sighted banks making all that interest from service fees and loans until forclosures started which lead us right into another problem area for the powers that be when it came full circle.

So, in the vast genius of the powers behind the money the new solution was??? Open the boarders. After all, deregulation allowed banks like Wells Fargo, and Bank America among others to freely allow illegal aliens the chance to apply for loans and borrow money, get credit cards or employment with no taxes even if they did give false names and addresses to get those loans and jobs. So what if its a crime! I mean, who knew right? No one knew because there was no oversight for these loans and checking for a green card was not a priority and in many cases neither was having a steady income or credit history of any kind. If there was oversight those overseeing it were involved in it and covered it up.

Those illegals that paid their notes in good faith living in homes they bought with that money loaned or credit card debts they ran up (money loaned to them illegally) eventually defaulted on their loans right along with those that did not pay a penny of the loans they recieved and never intended to and of course this took place when our government in its infinite wisdom deported those illegals back to Mexico that had been paying their loans monthly meaning their notes went into default; only to allow these same illegals to come back with a new name, and a new address in a different state to apply once again, and successfully, and for yet another loan to do the same thing all over again, sometimes even a third time! Unfortunately for the native debt laiden citizens of the USA these debt free illegal aliens were more valuable to the money lenders than the financially tapped out legal, law abiding, tax paying citizens.

These 'bad loans' added up and were candy coated just to be sold to unsuspecting lower ranking banksters. It was discoverd by many of these banks and many foreign banks that bought those loans that they were not so rosey as the picture painted by the falsified reports by the original lending banks behind the schemes and the ten year plus long habit of 'bad credit, no credit, no problem' , no interest for 36 months time machine came back full circle to bite everyone of them in the wallets. Next solution??? Dump it on the tax payers! Why not? I mean, George W. will play along and if not we'll just make it worth his while and that of Congress to get some help right?

So, now we find ourselves right where we are, 700 billion dollars later (more like a trillion dollars but don't get me started) and no end in sight! What happens next? Be sure that the 'plunge protection team' is in hot pursuit of their tracks covering them up fast so they can keep their heads. Can they do it? I have my doubts but I am certain they will milk the public for as much of their money before they are done with us and don't forget the fear. Oh yes the fear. They will cast down much of that on the public before this is over.

The system of banking used today was doomed to fail from the first loan after the fractional reserve was created. If the first loan was for 50 dollars and the agreement was that you would pay back 60 dollars to get all 50 dollars in your hand the fix was in from the start. 50 dollars was all the money ever printed at the time! Get that? It was all that existed in the form of dollars ever! Yet, knowing this someone agreed to pay back 60 dollars which, needless to say is impossible.

In the coming days you will hear all the same lame excuses and a lot of the 'party line' and that is a given. Just view the Bush speech today as a prime example of this. I wish I could tell you to rest easy but unfortunately I cannot. Sooner or later the chickens were bound to come home to roost. They are now upon us. The current so called solutions to solve this crisis all have one thing in common. They contribute more to the problem by creating more fiat (read false) money out of thin air. Our country is broke! You are broke! The truth is, this has been the case for some time. The only real solution to this problem is to take out the middle man. There has never been any reason for the goverment to borrow money from a privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. The government can allow the treasury to do everything the Federal Reserve does and wipe out the biggest plaque on the planet at the same time.

These CEOs, Private Banksters in the Federal Reserve past and present, and Big Wal Street Banksters contributing to the derivatives trillions of dollars in debt world wide and those behind this bail out need to all be rounded up, stripped of their wealth and have it divided equally among the law abiding tax paying citizens that are about to lose their homes, retirements and income. The powers that be make few mistakes unfortunately. It is quite possible that things are going along just as they had planned all along.
Real solutions are few. We can only speculate on the future at this point but one thing is for sure. We will be much poorer than we ever thought possible thanks to the plan for the new world order.

Troy Nathan Taylor

[oiram]

"You are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning."
--Andrew Jackson, 1828 (to a group of investment bankers trying to persuade him to renew their charter)
The Great Deception itself ! ?So if the 13th is a Holiday then this is a Interesting Article ....... October 14th:
This entry concludes this series by examining all the incredible reasons why I firmly believe that this predicted event is the Great Deception itself. Furthermore, whether it happens on October 14th or not, I believe that it's quite clear that this is EXACTLY the type of thing Satan will most likely use to deceive mankind before ushering in the Tribulation.
http://www.lookupfellowship.com/
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UeCPYLLgPkY/SOuotFhcCJI/AAAAAAAAANo/xV-v7W4Nokw/s400/Fall+of+Lucifer.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UeCPYLLgPkY/SOuMn9599UI/AAAAAAAAANg/AMPllimLi5g/s400/Brain+of+a+Champion.jpghttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UeCPYLLgPkY/SOrTm5sxYTI/AAAAAAAAANA/B_hzVrqH_4s/s400/Satan.jpg (http://www.lookupfellowship.com/)
http://www.lookupfellowship.com/ http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37516&page=11
Hasn't Lucifer been described as the Light?
the light bearer, not the light giver... and he's also the morning star

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/lucifer3.jpg
i think he might be the daytime moon, the star who defies the sun

you can't see the sun at night, but you can see the moon by day

in the night he shines of reflected light (as if mocking the sun)

and by day he defies the father (he goes on bearing its light)

maybe george lucas was trying to tell us something, in 1977
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37516&page=11 Million Pound Gamble - The UFO's Are Coming
http://www.casinobeacon.co.uk/images/aliens.gif http://www.casinobeacon.co.uk/news-articles/news/2008-10/ufo-111008.htm
As if the financial crisis was not bad enough, bookmakers William Hill report that a Wiltshire man will collect £1 million from them this week if an internet prediction that massive UFO's will appear next week comes to pass.

Lawrence Tout has staked £1000 at odds of 1000/1 that George Bush or Gordon Brown will officially confirm the appearance of alien UFOs, after websites carried details of predicted UFO activity on October 14.

"Mr Tout's stake is the biggest UFO wager we have ever taken but he is not alone in believing the prediction that we will be visited by aliens next week, and we face a massive, million-pound plus payout if it happens." said William Hill's spokesman Graham Sharpe.
Date of arrival is October 14
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=550683&postcount=403
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=551814#post551814

[oiram]

IMF WARNS OF FINANCIAL MELTDOWN !!
IMF says the world is on the brink of meltdown
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081011 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081011/bs_nm/us_financial3;_ylt=Am3bhfQXj9eV2Wr0DXa1gMqs0NUE)Th e money of this so-called bailout is bailing out the 1% of those who govern you, these have been getting bailout from the days of the founding Fathers but more notably from when the Europeans declared a financial war against the USA. The American National Debt has increased incrementally since that declaration because the value of the Dollar has continuously dropped vis à vie the Euro and the ‘American Fat Cats’ are now being laughed at by their European counter-parts that they are only billionaires in their respective territory, once crossed over the Atlantic and into Europe they quickly become instant millionaires. So all this bailout talk is so that ‘the Rich’ retains their billionaire status by being bailed out and having Public funds deposited into their respective accounts, so that when the occasion arises that they must fly abroad they can walk holding their heads up and not feel debased by the European Fat Cats.

The following will open your eyes. All information of data are listed at the bottom.

Follow my madness: 40% of all American wealth is owned by 1% this equates to (10.8 trillion dollars) as of the year 2000 when coincidentally this economic warfare began. The Nominal GNP has increased from 2000-08 by (4.746,4 trillion dollars). We will add this to their already established wealth by subtracting 40% from it [1% Fat Cat] and deduct the standard 33% income tax to those gains equating to (1,272,203,520,000 trillion dollars).

10,800,000,000,000
+
01,272,203,520,000
-------------------------
= (((12,072,203,520,000 trillion dollars)))

This amount would not need any bailouts if the Dollar and the Euro were at par but this isn’t the case. What we must now do is subtract the loss the US dollar has incurred since the battle of these rebellious Cats began which is approximately 1.39 loss on the Dollar to the Euro from 2000 till now this amounts to (8,685,038,503,000 trillion US dollars) of their ‘total wealth’ when compared in value to the Euro. “How do the Rich Elites in the USA keep up with the European Jones?” Simple, they OWN the Government. So they print money and charge you ‘Joe Public’ the interest to pay it back.

Here’s the logic to my madness: when we add the revised increase the National Debt has incurred from 2000-08 which is (4.350,7 trillion dollars including ½ bailout 350 billion) and the remaining 350 billion dollar bailout Plan to their converted wealth you’ll understand the treachery of the system, but first we will covert these new being added to the same losses when compared in value to the Euro.

Updated: Oct 10th 2008

4,350,700,000,000 (revised National Debt with ½ bailout 350 billion)
+
0,350,000,000,000 (½ remaining bailout 350 billion)
-----------------------
= 4,700,700,000,000 US dollars converted at 1.39 = 3,381,798,561,000

Here’s where you all become mad, and yell out the window “I’m not gonna take it anymore!”

3,381,798,561,000 (converted revised National Debt & Bailout Plan)
+
8,685,038,503,000 (converted “wealth’s” established & accumulated GNP)
-----------------------
= (((12,066,837,060,000))) converted and now equal.

Pretty close wouldn’t you say? Remember currency trades to the decimals and I wasn’t inclined for such an exercise, heck, I don’t even know if any of you will, or, can understand this type of accounting. Feel free to do your own additions and carry the decimal, lol, you’ll see how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Quoting: IMF - Immortals, Mortals, Fraternity

Nominal GNP:

2000 - 9.661,90
2001 - 10.300,90
2002 - 10.641,10
2003 - 11.297,30
2004 - 12.001,10
2005 - 12.770,60
2006 - 13.452,00
2007 - 14.196,60
2008 - 14.408,30 (trillion)

The National Debt:

2000 - 5,674
2005 - 7,933
2006 - 8,506.9
2007 - 9,008
2008 - 9,654 (trillion) Sept.
2008 - 10,024,7 (revised with ½ bailout 350 billion included or deposited in their accounts)

The top 1% of households own almost 40% of the nation's wealth.
The top 4% of Americans own 60% of the nation's wealth.
The top 10% of Americans own over 70% of nation's wealth.
The top 20% of the nation's households own 85% of the nation's total wealth.

The bottom 40% of households own one-fifth of 1% (or 0.2%) of the nation's wealth.
The bottom 60% of Americans own only 5% of the nation's wealth.
The bottom 80% of Americans own only 15% of the nation's wealth.

The total wealth in America totals $27 trillion dollars.
(Wolff, 2000)
http://www.g o d l i k e p r o d u c t i o n s.com/forum1/message634067/pg1

[oiram]

Does anyone take this lot seriously:confused: (11/10/08)
Look at icelands and frances ministers body language,arms crossed:;)
at actually listening to that dim wit murderer preaching,what a load of hypocrites.
where is the elitest berlosconi,who gives a shit what that puppet says, its all a charade.Look at icelands and frances ministers body language,arms :D:D:D
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/7273/45099636newonelc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Who gives a shit what that puppet says, its all a charade.
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/peeing-man.gifhttp://swiftreport.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/bush_gaythumb.jpghttp://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/peeing-man.gifhttp://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2008/4/1/bernanke.jpg
at actually listening to that dim wit murderer preaching,what a load of hypocrites.
You have the Right to not Vote for these Parasites!!!
Berlusconi Says Leaders May Close World's Markets (Update1) By Steve Scherer
Oct. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said political leaders are discussing the idea of closing the world's financial markets while they ``rewrite the rules of international finance.''

``The idea of suspending the markets for the time it takes to rewrite the rules is being discussed,'' Berlusconi said today after a Cabinet meeting in Naples, Italy. A solution to the financial crisis ``can't just be for one country, or even just for Europe, but global.''

The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell as much 8.1 percent in early trading and pared most of those losses after Berlusconi's remarks. The Dow was down 0.5 percent to 8540.52 at 10:10 in New York.

Group of Seven finance ministers and central bankers are meeting in Washington today, and will stay in town for the International Monetary Fund and World Bank meetings this weekend. European Union leaders may gather in Paris on Oct. 12, three days before a scheduled summit in Brussels, Berlusconi said today, while Group of Eight leaders may hold a meeting on the crisis ``in coming days,'' he said.

Berlusconi didn't give any details about what kind of rules leaders were looking to change, except to say that leaders are ``talking about a new Bretton Woods.''

The Bretton Woods Agreements were adopted to rebuild the international economic system after World War II in a hotel in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire. The aim of the agreements was to establish a monetary management system, initially by pegging currencies to gold. The IMF was set up later to help manage the international financial system.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38640

[oiram]

federal bailout turns into a license to plunder
http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/
the same insider financiers who brought the world to the brink of financial collapse are now gobbling up the remaining sound assets of failing banks under the guise of saving the system. In giving unrestricted power to treasury secretary paulson to decide arbitrarily whose debts the us government will rescue, congress has unwittingly given him the power to decide which banks survive and which will be allowed to fail. Paulson's remarks this week that "additional banks will fail," is all too telling. If we had access to the details, which we don't (and won't), we would see that those banks designated to fail are not being allowed to have access to government bailout funds. Only the larger, insider-connected banks on wall street are having their toxic debts exchanged so that they have the liquidity to buy out the failing banks at pennies on the dollar. The fdic is complicit in this as they seize banks they don't rescue and then conveniently designate another favored bank to come in and "rescue" the failing bank--instead of allowing the open market to freely bid on the remaining sound assets. The result is a massive shift of ownership of the remaining good debt from failed bank stockholders to the insider-connected banks and investment firms who created this mess. This crisis has nothing to do with saving main street--it's all about enriching those who drove the system into bankruptcy and establishing a permanent shift in financial power to government agencies staffed by former executives of these insider institutions.
http://www.g o d l i k e p r o d u c t i o n s.com/forum1/message634033/pg1

[oiram]

Anyway not so fast there is always a backup operation in the making!
The rival to the Bible
http://waronyou.com/2008/10/the-rival-to-the-bible/
What is probably the oldest known Bible is being digitised, reuniting its scattered parts for the first time since its discovery 160 years ago. It is markedly different from its modern equivalent. What’s left out?

The world’s oldest surviving Bible is in bits.
For 1,500 years, the Codex Sinaiticus lay undisturbed in a Sinai monastery, until it was found - or stolen, as the monks say - in 1844 and split between Egypt, Russia, Germany and Britain.
Now these different parts are to be united online and, from next July, anyone, anywhere in the world with internet access will be able to view the complete text and read a translation.
For those who believe the Bible is the inerrant, unaltered word of God, there will be some very uncomfortable questions to answer. It shows there have been thousands of alterations to today’s bible.
The Codex, probably the oldest Bible we have, also has books which are missing from the Authorised Version that most Christians are familiar with today - and it does not have crucial verses relating to the Resurrection.

Anti-Semitic writings
The fact this book has survived at all is a miracle. Before its discovery in the early 19th Century by the Indiana Jones of his day, it remained hidden in St Catherine’s Monastery since at least the 4th Century.

The monastery at the base of Mt Sinai

It survived because the desert air is ideal for preservation and because the monastery, on a Christian island in a Muslim sea, remained untouched, its walls unconquered.

Today, 30 mainly Greek Orthodox monks, dedicated to prayer, worship there, helped as in ages past by the Muslim Bedouin. For this place is holy to three great religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam; a land where you can still see the Burning Bush where God spoke to Moses.

The monastery itself has the greatest library of early manuscripts outside the Vatican - some 33,000, and a collection of icons second to none.

Not surprisingly, it is now a World Heritage Site and has been called a veritable Ark, bringing spiritual treasures safely through the turbulent centuries. In many people’s eyes the greatest treasure is the Codex, written in the time of the first Christian Emperor Constantine.

When the different parts are digitally united next year in a £1m project, anyone will be able to compare and contrast the Codex and the modern Bible.

Firstly, the Codex contains two extra books in the New Testament.

One is the little-known Shepherd of Hermas, written in Rome in the 2nd Century - the other, the Epistle of Barnabas. This goes out of its way to claim that it was the Jews, not the Romans, who killed Jesus, and is full of anti-Semitic kindling ready to be lit. “His blood be upon us,” Barnabas has the Jews cry.

Discrepancies

Had this remained in subsequent versions, “the suffering of Jews in the subsequent centuries would, if possible, have been even worse”, says the distinguished New Testament scholar Professor Bart Ehrman.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45076000/jpg/_45076891_monastry226ap.jpghttp://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=CMn1pIbl2P2izAEQ-gEY7wEyCLb5N-ALvMu3 . . http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45076000/jpg/_45076841_deportations226getty.jpg (http://waronyou.com/2008/10/the-rival-to-the-bible/)
And although many of the other alterations and differences are minor, these may take some explaining for those who believe every word comes from God.
Faced with differing texts, which is the truly authentic one?
Mr Ehrman was a born again Bible-believing Evangelical until he read the original Greek texts and noticed some discrepancies.
The Bible we now use can’t be the inerrant word of God, he says, since what we have are the sometimes mistaken words copied by fallible scribes.
“When people ask me if the Bible is the word of God I answer ‘which Bible?’”
The Codex - and other early manuscripts - do not mention the ascension of Jesus into heaven, and omit key references to the Resurrection, which the Archbishop of Canterbury has said is essential for Christian belief.
Other differences concern how Jesus behaved. In one passage of the Codex, Jesus is said to be “angry” as he healed a leper, whereas the modern text records him as healing with “compassion”.
Also missing is the story of the woman taken in adultery and about to be stoned - until Jesus rebuked the Pharisees (a Jewish sect), inviting anyone without sin to cast the first stone.
Nor are there words of forgiveness from the cross. Jesus does not say “Father forgive them for they know not what they do”.
Fundamentalists, who believe every word in the Bible is true, may find these differences unsettling.
But the picture is complicated. Some argue that another early Bible, the Codex Vaticanus, is in fact older. And there are other earlier texts of almost all the books in the bible, though none pulled together into a single volume.
Many Christians have long accepted that, while the Bible is the authoritative word of God, it is not inerrant. Human hands always make mistakes.
“It should be regarded as a living text, something constantly changing as generation and generation tries to understand the mind of God,” says David Parker, a Christian working on digitising the Codex.
Others may take it as more evidence that the Bible is the word of man, not God.
http://waronyou.com/2008/10/the-rival-to-the-bible/ Pure hype, no substance. Sinaiticus has been known to scholars since the 19th century and all of the changes have already been incorporated into modern translations. For instance, crack open a copy of the NIV and take a look at the footnotes.I Don't trust them anyway!
Must be a good reason for doing it now & to spend all the money!
First the Old then the New Testament; now the NWO Testament! "Modern New World Order Bible?"

QUOTE:
When the different parts are digitally united next year in a £1m project, anyone will be able to compare and contrast the Codex and the modern Bible.
Same manipulation bolox all the time!

[oiram]

Project Blue Beam

By Serge Monast
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebeam25jul05.shtml
Originally Published 1994

[Note: Serge Monast and another journalist, both of whom were researching Project Blue Beam, died of "heart attacks" within weeks of each other although neither had a history of heart disease. Serge was in Canada. The other Canadian journalist was visiting Ireland. Prior to his death, the Canadian government abducted Serge's daughter in an attempt to dissuade him from pursuing his research into Project Blue Beam. His daughter was never returned. Pseudo-heart attacks are one of the alleged methods of death induced by Project Blue Beam.]

The infamous NASA [National Aeronautics and Space Administration] Blue Beam Project has four different steps in order to implement the new age religion with the Antichrist at its head. We must remember that the new age religion is the very foundation for the new world government, without which religion the dictatorship of the new world order is completely impossible. I'll repeat that: Without a universal belief in the new age religion, the success of the new world order will be impossible! That is why the Blue Beam Project is so important to them, but has been so well hidden until now.

Engineered Earthquakes & Hoaxed 'Discoveries'
The first step in the NASA Blue Beam Project concerns the breakdown [re-evaluation] of all archaeological knowledge. It deals with the set-up, with artificially created earthquakes at certain precise locations on the planet, of supposedly new discoveries which will finally explain to all people the "error" of all fundamental religious doctrines. The falsification of this information will be used to make all nations believe that their religious doctrines have been misunderstood for centuries and misinterpreted. Psychological preparations for that first step have already been implemented with the film, '2001: A Space Odyssey;' the StarTrek series, and 'Independence Day;' all of which deal with invasions from space and the coming together of all nations to repel the invaders. The last films, 'Jurrassic Park,' deals with the theories of evolution, and claim God's words are lies. http://i.am/jah/evolut.htm

Serge Monast

Related

The Goals of Project Blue Beam
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebeamintoandnworeview.shtml

More on Project Blue Beam
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebeamrelatedA01feb99.shtml

The Project Blue Beam/British Israel Brain Wash from the Islamic Side (July 5, 2006)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/islamicbrainwash05jul06.shtml

The Coming "Official" Announcement of the Alien Presence on Earth
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fakedalieninvasion.shtml Here is more in the preparation!
Yes all is in the pipeline ! ( This is planned for July )
The rival to the Bible
http://waronyou.com/2008/10/the-rival-to-the-bible/

I love it interesting Times!

[oiram]

I don't really know that much about finance etc. However I've often thought about how long can the system survive if prices and costs keep escalating. There has to be a time when it hits a brick wall and I think this may be that time. After it collapses and the resulting chaos ensues then there must be a time when it starts from scratch all over again. Like in a time loop I suppose.Prices and costs keep escalating = Because they are controlling, manipulating all prises & rises! ( Computer Game! )
Starts from scratch all over again = Does not need to start from scratch & if it does it has been introduced by manipulation only!
Hits a brick wall = Yes! Because they create a Brick wall! (They also create Wars!)

Look a the Graphic even with no special school you can work out what they are doing! Manipulation Monkey Market ( M1, M2, M3 ) !
Why can they loan out 90% more then they have & we can not??

Simple they are criminals including all Governments allowing this system!
Now they talking all day SHIT; they have to fix it; fix freaking what it's corruption & organized crime, mafia from the start!

Look at the Graphic again look at the dark strip and tell me how much they are really playing with! Is it 90%??
You loan out what you got not what does not exist in the first place!
That's why they send you to higher schools to totally brainwash you & your calculation after schooling ends up like this (1+1 = 3 & if we lucky 10 )

People got to go to jail!
Where are the smart people "Police, Judges, Politicians, Professors, Scientists, Media ...etc ?" to stop all this Fucking criminal madness!
That's right there are none because they all from the same Family or get paid from the same Family!
Looks like ALL these highly educated?? scumbags are the biggest retarded criminals on Earth! (Anti Christs & Money is Satan's Beast)


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The Illuminati bankers had us where they wanted Friday. Everyone was in a panic, dumping anything of real value -- gold, real estate, oil -- and rushing into US dollars, conceptual value the Illuminati bankers create out of nothing with the help of their lackeys in government and media.

Why the sudden appeal of US dollars? Well there is a huge shortage of them because the bankers put our money into mortgages and then they crashed the housing market. Trillions disappeared. Now their lackeys in government have to "borrow" trillions to make up the deficit. The result: the bankers are trillions richer.

Did they do this deliberately? Do you think Rich Fuld, the CEO of Lehman Brothers, got a $250 million sendoff for driving his company into bankruptcy? No, that's likely his payoff for selling out his employees and his country. Multiply that throughout the financial industry.

Throughout history the Illuminati bankers have always used war and economic turmoil to advance their goal. Since we have enjoyed prosperity, I have been focused on war. But now I must consider how they use economic hardship to advance their world government.

It's brilliant when you think about it. Depression doesn't involve bloodshed and the destruction of valuable property. On the contrary, it allows the bankers to suck up real wealth at bargain prices. And people under duress will accept anything to regain the delicious prosperity they once knew.



They are all freaking deaf dumb & blind Criminals of Humanity
& we are the Terrorists because we know that (1 + 1 = 2) "Right!"
http://files.myopera.com/Indonesian/albums/269395/monkey.gifI am sick and FREAKING tired of all these Criminal Monkeys!
I don't want them to fix nothing I like to see them all in Jail!!So where are all the big Hypocrites?
Nobody disagrees, Nobody agrees Hah! Hah!
Post View 5999
The number 999 is the reverse of 666, the number of the Beast of the Revelation (Apocalypse). This arithmetical strangeness demonstrates that the "power" of the Beast, 666, will be "reversed" by 153, characteristic number of the Christ, to give as result 999, symbol of the application of the divine justice. Thus Satan will be chained for 1000 years, 999 + 1.

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You guys will like this one!

Salvation Island
(Money Myth Exploded - The Financial enigma resolved - A debt money system)


Social Credit
Exact. Logical. Humane
Real credit and financial credit
Money without inflation
A dividend to everyone
Not a Political Party

http://www.votefraud.org/money_myth_exploded.htm

http://www.votefraud.org/money_myth_exploded_files/ile19.jpg . http://www.votefraud.org/money_myth_exploded_files/ile17.jpg (http://www.votefraud.org/money_myth_exploded.htm)
http://www.votefraud.org/money_myth_exploded.htm

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WWIII and chaos ahead
9/11 New World Order plan: Europe, America vs Russia, China - YouTube READ THIS! Lyndon LaRouche 'Tragedy & Hope' address in Washington D.C. on May 7, 2008. LaRouche talked about Obama getting the nomination and the evil mindset behind the "Lisbon Treaty" to create a British-European totalitarian superstate.

The brilliant, but wicked and evil spirited occult New World Order masterplan is unfolding. The ultimate goal of globalization (or globalisation) through propaganda and rhetoric (War on Terror) and initiating chaos that will lead to depopulation (genocide).

Under the energy of Venus and the Sun, the occult NWO masterplan must be realized by 2013. (that is, by Gregorian calendar date December 22, 2013 following another ritual circle around the Sun (starting in Solar Maximum year =2012) counting from December 22, 2012. (= end date of Mayan Long Count Calendar 13.00.00 Baktun).

It takes 243 years for Venus to return to the exact point where it started. It's called a Venus Round. And they (Illuminati), determined the creation of the NWO in 1770, with Rothschild and Adam Weishaupt as the real "founding fathers."

1770 was the year in which a new cycle of 242 years started, sectioned in 99,11,121,11 = 242 years! (=11x9, 99:9, 11x11, 121:11) (sequence= x9,:9,x11,:11 = ratio 9/11)

Right now we are living in the ':11 stage', meaning the LAST 11 years from SolarMax to SolarMax, starting from 2001 (WTC attack) to 2012.

11:11 as deceptive symbolism, means nothing more than the completion of their NWO in the last solar maximum cycle to 2012 with the start of their NWO in the new year 2013.

In 2013 there will have been a complete Venus Round of 243 years counting from 1770, and in THEIR (Illuminati/Elite) minds, the celebration of a new "spiritual era" but not in the sense as you think it will be, but with a "New Rome" represented by the United Nations (UN)/NATO in the spirit of ancient Babylon. The true meaning of the City and Tower of Babel.

We are still living under the Anglo-American World Empire. The key London oligarchs, bankers, the House of Windsor and those in alliance with them (who brought the Nazi system into power, starting in the 1920s) are still dominating the political-occult ruling Elite, of which the Bilderberg group.

Is it any coincidence the NEXT official summer Olympic Games will be held in 2012 and in the City of London? No.

In their arrogance, convinced that by 2012 Europe will have become that socialist/fascist superstate and the global NWO (European Union/North American Union (SPP)(EU/NAU) will be a fact, they will celebrate the historical Venus rising and transit on Solar Maximum 2012 with a Nazi-Germany style Olympic Games (Berlin -1936) in order to demonstrate the power and reality of this New World Order and their supporters to the entire world.
http://shockdoctrine.blogspot.com/2008/10/wwiii-and-chaos-ahead.html

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Fed Releases Flood of Dollars, Market Rates Fall (Update4)
By John Fraher and Simon Kennedy http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=axvBqqIf444o&refer=home
Oct. 13 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve led an unprecedented push by central banks to flood the financial system with as many dollars as banks want, backing up government efforts to revive confidence and helping to reduce money-market rates.

The European Central Bank, the Bank of England and the Swiss National Bank will offer European banks unlimited dollar funds with maturities of seven, 28 and 84 days at fixed interest rates against ``appropriate collateral,'' the Washington-based Fed said today. Previously, the Fed had capped at $380 billion the currency it would swap with the three central banks.

Global economic leaders have redoubled efforts to unfreeze credit markets and avert the worst worldwide recession in 30 years after last week's 20 percent slide in the MSCI World Index. Policy makers from the Group of Seven nations are committed to taking ``all necessary steps'' to stem a market panic, and European and U.S. governments today outlined plans to avoid bank failures.

The Wise Words Of Thomas Jefferson...
Quote:
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the
issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks
and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will
deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up
homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." -

Thomas Jefferson

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BOOOM!: Record-Breaking Stock Rally, UP 1000 Points
Yes & of-cause Nobody ask the logical question why; where does all the money come from in one day & where did all the money go in one Day!
All just money hungry & Greedy!
Because the same fuckers which pulled the money out to manipulate the market are the same group of criminal Pigs which are putting it back into the market! (But this important points are easily missed by the sheeples!)
But the good thing is that you have to pay Taxes for the next 100 Years to cover the manipulation & the Criminals Pigs are 700 Billion richer plus all the Interest for the next 100 Years!

Oh! don't forget about all the people which got and still will be kicked out of there Houses!

Anyway soon you all will vote for Obama or McCain to finish of the agenda!

There is no other way this fucking Sick America system has to collapse to stop this madness!


And it will collapse because they are only buying time to finish there Election to get empowered again & then ...

BOOM! BOOOM!!

America will be the most hated Nation on Earth ones this is Finished! I think this is the overall goal of there agenda!

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http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=415780#415780 How do you create a "FUNDAMENTAL ELEMENT OF CONFIDENCE"? You can't, or you obey the Natural Laws [God if you wish] or your system is a flawed one. All the smoking and scream is to mud you vision about this simple true.Don't get me wrong; I am the last person in this world believing all this criminal manipulation propaganda shit; only highlighting to you guys how much propaganda crap is floating around.
This is destruction no creating CONFIDENCE!
I am aware that they all in bed with each other working on the same agenda.
They just trying to fool everyone again as usual.
You will see now they will push up the market with all there own Billions working in cooperation to create the next illusion; then trying to sell there illusion to the public as job well done but still blowing billions & billions into the ocean & saving criminal organizations with Public taxes.

They are only resetting there own corrupt manipulated market as they did many times in the past so they can continue with there criminal monopoly on lower levels! They are not fooling me! But the sheeples is the big problem of this world! They got to be educated.

They are the mafia of the world.
Not one asshole is in jail yet! Why??
Because all the Governments and all there departments are the criminals of Humanity.
Bailing out the assholes of this world & make others pay for it; fuck them all I will not work anymore and go on social security hope many which can will follow me! I am not paying for the corrupters fuck them all!
I want them ALL to go down & to end up in jail or dead; so all this illogical idiotic criminal madness stops!

Just look at all these Fuckers blowing Billions, Trillions! No wonder they got so many Billionaire's in there own ranks!
Fuck them Kill them whatever but this shit has to stop having a illusionary market and consequently killing millions!

Germany Announces €500 Billion Rescue Plan
http://www.actionforex.com/latest-news/european-economy/ (http://www.actionforex.com/latest-news/european-economy/germany-announces-€500-billion-rescue-plan-2008101364080/)

German, French rescues total over $1.1 trillion
European heavyweights guarantee lending, ready to inject capital
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/germany-france-pledge- (http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/germany-france-pledge-over-11/story.aspx?guid=%7BDD232F25-F841-420A-AE4B-909A3C407E90%7D)

France, Germany in bailout mode Reuters Tuesday, October 14, 2008 03:45 IST
Europe’s three biggest economies will spend over $2 trillion to rescue their banks
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1197860

Japanese Bank Completes $9 Billion Injection in Morgan Stanley
http://www.actionforex.com/latest-news/us-economy/japanese-bank (http://www.actionforex.com/latest-news/us-economy/japanese-bank-completes-$9-billion-injection-in-morgan-stanley-2008101364076/)

Futures Up on Massive Central Bank Injection
Bloomberg: The Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank and the Bank of
Japan united with their counterparts around the world to offer an
additional $180 billion to markets facing their worst crisis since the 1920s.
http://www.clusterstock.com/2008/9/market-futures (http://www.clusterstock.com/2008/9/market-futures-up-on-massive-central-bank-dollar-injection)

UK banks set for $120b injection
http://business.watoday.com.au/business/uk-banks-setl (http://business.watoday.com.au/business/uk-banks-set-for-120b-injection-20081013-4zr3.html)

US/UK Pay $64 Billion to Save Russian 'Foe'
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/62588

Just add up all this money so who got all this money in his pockets! Hah!
Also don't forget about all the Trillions they lost in the share market Gambling Hole
this money also ends up in someones pocket; have a good guess whos pockets!Where is all the money gone in the first place?
Where they getting all this money from; thats right they just add it to there fucking Computer game! Fucking lying crock's!!
It's all bullshit and not real just a game of criminal sociopaths
It's all just a lie & Bullshit they all Bankrupted but can create money unlimited!
They will pocked most of the money anyhow; who is able to check on these corrupters?
How fucking dumb people really are to not wake up to reality 1+1= fucking 2 ??
Just look at this fucking wanker smiling! Don't you hate it! I do!
Fucking Terrorists; he is the real Terrorists & all his pimps!
Bush gets his multi-billion-dollar injection
In the U.S. the $US 700-billion dollar bank rescue designed to steady the
crisis-struck economy has been signed into law.
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Fractional-reserve "manipulation & corruption" banking . . . . This is the answer and solution To get rid of the diseased!
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Do you need a freaking PHD to work out this scam & Corruption Game??
Where are all these big mouth Highly educated hypocritical wanking assholes!
When will they ask the REAL questions about this corrupt criminal freaking System; are they all fucking Brain-dead to not be able to work out this Chart of manipulation & corruption business! Don't hope for help from these criminal Goverments and Bankers!
If there are any good people then Please take every cent out of these Corrupt Banks!
Make them Fucking drop to be destroyed for ever & ever!

Die You Fuckers! Die!

Problem ..... Reaction ...... Solution ..... trick!

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http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=416114#416114
El sistema financiero internacional un sistema mafioso
http://www.voltairenet.org/article158234.htmlEnglish translation:
The international financial system, a mobster
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The Bank of Inglatera, understand the history of its foundation today is to
learn how the international financial system, a system that relies on trust
and deception.

The economic crisis that shook the international financial system currently occupies the front pages in the press. You still present but not understand much because the system is complex. You. heard of derivatives, mortgage crisis, credit crunch, hedge funds and other technical concepts. You. listening to experts and analysts to comment on the crisis. But you. still has not seen anyone in the press to explain that this financial system is a real scam to workers in the world controlled by a real mafia bankers. We reproduce below the contribution of Juan Antonio Hernandez explains that historically how long it lasts this deception.

It is known that the feudal kings used to give a protectorate of the alchemists who, under the promise of turning any metal into gold hens producing the became the monarch ... but that nothing at all.

As the inhabitants of the kingdom are used to bite coins to verify their authenticity [that not only was bathed in golden metal flow or something golden worthless]; began economic decline and the discredit of the king.

What merchant would sell their goods to a king who was paying with coins and bathed in gold whose value was zero? Only the subjects had to endure such a burden currency Birri [1] without value outside the kingdom and reign of this monarch sir.

The deception became more
Some blame it on merit to the Templars, to other Jews in even maybe both, because these two sects have sealed the infrastructure and commitment among its members to maintain loyalty to the group.

The fact that a territory as insecure and where the communications three times its size by instability, would make possible the birth of the role-Birri. He was concerned at an affordable price, leaving the gold deposit and leave with a promissory note that encryption would be charged at the destination. Perhaps, once reached the destination he would show a rustic and impregnable safe than another small fee you keep the gold.

Seeing and understanding the safety of the system, the owner would choose to leave the gold on deposit and handled the pay-role, and when the newborn bank assured him that everything issued by the owner pay off what the entity.

Just enough that the system be extended and that traders have confidence and trust in the reliability of the system to give birth to the bank scam.

While the unwary deposited gold and constant sonant, the bank issued by the dual role of its value at which to deposit the money supply grow in circulation whose biggest beneficiary was the bank itself, since it could be printed paper-Birri who wanted to buy it who wants ... lands, palaces, business, etc ...
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In the illustration above appears the merchant William Paterson (left),
who later would be the banker of King William III of England (right).

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The BAE Systems Affair and
The Anglo-Dutch Imperial Slime Mold
by John Hoefle

The weapons-for-oil deal between BAE Systems and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia provides a useful window into the manner in which the Anglo-Dutch-centered international financial oligarchy operates. The oligarchy is essentially a private criminal enterprise which stretches across the globe, operating through a network of government agencies, private institutions, and both publicly owned and private corporations and financial institutions. Some of these relationships are out in the open, while others are hidden.

The British Empire's historic role in the Asian opium trade is a good example of how the oligarchy functions. As documented by EIR in the book Dope, Inc., the British used Hong Kong as their base of operations, with Scottish trading companies such as Jardine Matheson both moving the product and setting up the Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corp. (now HSBC) to handle the prodigious financial flows. As a British colony, the government of Hong Kong was run by the British monarchy, but the power was that of the British East India Company and the other private interests which controlled the British monarchy and the Empire, and the method by which this power was administered was, and is, Venetian.
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2007/3427bae_slimemold.html
Uncovering the Hidden
Bronfman, Bush, Cheney
Seagrams, Zapata, Brown & Root
ALL INTERCONNECTED IN THE SPIDER'S WEBCHENEY'S HALLIBURTON (ROOT & BROWN) THING LEADS DIRECTLY TO THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION.

After serving as Secretary of Defense for President Bush, Cheney reaped the financial rewards of the revolving money door between the military and industry. Cheney became a member of the board of directors of Morgan Stanley. the Union Pacific Corp., Procter & Gamble Co. and Electronic Data Systems Corp. (Ross Perot company) But, most important, in 1995 Cheney became the CEO of Halliburton (owner of Brown and Root) ( Cheney, the chairman of the board, holds a $45.5 million stake as Halliburton's biggest individual stockholder. Brown and Root reaped multi-millions from the Bosnia war.

In 1998 Richard Cheney got the idea that Halliburton should purchase Dresser Industries, for $8.1 billion (creating the world's largest oil-drilling services company) while on a quail hunt with Dresser chair Bill Bradford. Dresser and Halliburton merged. Dresser Industries was owned and operated by Brown Brothers Harriman. Prescott Bush (George H.W.'s father) was a partner of Brown Brothers and on the board of Dresser for decades until he became a U.S. Senator.
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/conspiracy/coverups/bronfmanbush.html

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Great this Post confirms me the collapse of the American Mafia system!http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif "richardny"
States, Economies and Markets: Redefining the Rules
October 13, 2008
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=416163#416163

Graphic for Geopolitical Intelligence Report

By George Friedman

A complex sequence of meetings addressing the international financial crisis took place this weekend. The weekend began with meetings among the finance ministers of the G-7 leading industrialized nations. It was followed by a meeting of finance ministers from the G-20, the group of industrial and emerging powers that together constitute 90 percent of the world’s economy. There were also meetings with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank. The meetings concluded on Sunday with a summit of the eurozone, those European Union countries that use the euro as their currency. Along with these meetings, there were endless bilateral meetings far too numerous to catalog.

The weekend was essentially about this: the global political system is seeking to utilize the assets of the global economy (by taxing or printing money) in order to take control of the global financial system. The premise is that the chaos in the financial system is such that the markets cannot correct the situation themselves, and certainly not in an acceptable period of time; and that if the situation were to go on, the net result would be not just financial chaos but potentially economic disaster. Therefore, governments decided to use the resources of the economy to solve the problem. Put somewhat more simply, the various governments of the world were going to nationalize portions of the global financial system in order to stave off disaster. The assumption was that the resources of the economy, mobilized by the state, could manage — and ultimately repair — the imbalances of the financial system.

That is the simple version of what is going on in the United States and Europe — and it is only the United States and Europe that really matter right now. Japan and China — while involved in the talks — are really in different places structurally. The United States and Europe face liquidity issues, but the Asian economies are a different beast, predicated upon the concept of a flood of liquidity at all times. Damage to them will be from reduced export demand, and that will take a few weeks or months to manifest in a damning way. It will happen, but for now the crisis is a Euro-American issue.

The actual version of what happened this weekend in the financial talks is, of course, somewhat more complex. The United States and the Europeans agreed that something dramatic had to be done, but could not agree on precisely what they were going to do. The problem both are trying to solve is not technically a liquidity problem, in the sense of a lack of money in the system — the U.S. Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank and their smaller cousins have been pumping money into the system for weeks. Rather, the problem has been the reluctance of financial institutions to lend, particularly to other financial institutions. The money is there, it is just not getting to borrowers. Until that situation is rectified, economic growth is pretty much impos sible. Indeed, economic contraction is inevitable.

After the failures of so many financial institutions, many unexpected or seemingly so, financial institutions with cash were loath to lend money out of fear that invisible balance-sheet problems would suddenly destroy their borrowers, leaving lenders with worthless paper. All lending is driven by some appetite for risk, but the level of distrust — certainly after many were trapped in the Lehman Brothers meltdown — has meant that there is no appetite for risk whatsoever.

There is an interesting subtext to this discussion. Accounting rules have required that assets be “marked to market,” that is, evaluated according to their current market value — which in the current environment is not very generous, to say the least. Many want to abolish “mark to market” valuation and replace it with something based on the underlying value of the asset, which would be more generous. The problem with this theory is that, while it might create healthier balance sheets, financial institutions don’t trust anyone’s balance sheet at the moment. Revaluing assets on paper will not comfort anyone. Trust is in very short supply, and there are no bookkeeping tricks to get people to lend to borrowers they don’t trust. No one is going to say once the balance sheet is revalued, “well, you sure are better off than yesterday, here is a hundred million dollars.”

The question therefore is how to get financial institutions to trust each other again when they feel they have no reason to do so. The solution is to have someone trustworthy guarantee the loan. The eurozone solution announced Oct. 12 was straightforward. They intended to have governments directly guarantee loans between financial institutions. Given the sovereign power to tax and to print money, the assumption was — reasonable in our mind — that it would take risk out of lending, and motivate financial institutions to make loans.

The problem with this, of course, is that there are a lot of institutions who will want to borrow a lot of money. With the government guaranteeing the loans, financial institutions will be insensitive to the risk of the borrower. If there is no risk in the loan whatsoever, then banks will lend to anyone, knowing full well that they cannot lose a loan. Under these circumstances, the market would go completely haywire and the opportunities for corruption would be unprecedented.

Therefore, as part of the eurozone plan, there has to be a government process for the approval and disapproval of loans. Since the market is no longer functioning, the decision on who gets to borrow how much at what rate — with a government guarantee — becomes a government decision.

There are two problems with this. First, governments are terrible at allocating capital. Politics will rapidly intrude to shape decisions. Even if the government could be trusted to make every decision with maximum efficiency, no government has the administrative ability to manage the entire financial sector so directly. Second, having taken control of interbank finance, how do you maintain a free market in the rest of the financial system? Will the government jump into guaranteeing non-interbank loans to ensure that banks actually lend money to those who need it? Otherwise the banking system could be liquid, but the rest of the economy might remain in crisis. Once the foundation of the financial system is nationalized, the entire edifice rests on the nationalized system.

The prime virtue of this plan is that it ought to work, at least in the short run. Financial institutions should start lending to each other, at whatever rate and in whatever amounts the government dictates and the gridlock should dissolve. The government will have to dive in to regulate the system for a while but hopefully — and this is the bet — in due course the government can unwind its involvement and ease the system back to some sort of market. The tentative date for that unwinding is the end of 2009. The risk is that the distortions of the system could become so intense after a few months that unwinding would become impossible. But that is a problem for later; the crisis needs to be addressed now.

The United States seems to dislike the eurozone approach, at least for the moment. It will be interesting to see if Washington stays with this position. U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, who appears to be making the decisions for the United States, did not want to obliterate the market completely, preferring a more indirect approach that would leave the essence of the financial markets intact.

Paulson’s approach was threefold. First, Washington would provide indirect aid to the interbank market by buying distressed mortgage-related assets from financial institutions; this would free up the lenders’ assets in a way that also provided cash, and would reduce their fears of hidden nightmares in each others’ balance sheets. Second, it would allow the Treasury to buy a limited stake in financial institutions that would be healthy if not for the fact that their assets are currently undervalued by the market; the idea being that the government takes a temporary share, in exchange for cash that will recapitalize the bank and reduce its need for access to the interbank market. Finally — and this emerged at 2 a.m. on Monday — the government would jump into the interbank market directly. The Federal Reserve promised to lend any amount of dollars to any bank so long as the borrower has some collateral that the Fed will accept (and these days the Fed accepts just about anything). The major central banks of Europe have already agreed to act as the Fed’s proxies in this regard.

The United States did not want to wind up in the position of micromanaging transactions between financial institutions. Washington felt that an intrusive but still indirect approach would keep the market functioning even as the government intervened. The Europeans feared that the indirect approach wouldn’t work fast enough and had too much risk attached to it (although the Fed’s 2 a.m. decision may take the air out of that belief). They also believed Washington’s attempt to preserve the market was an illusion. With the government buying distressed paper and investing in banks, they felt, what was left of the market wasn’t worth the risk or the time.

There is also an ideological dimension. The United States is committed to free-market economics as a cultural matter. Recent events have shown, if a demonstration was needed, that reality trumps ideology, but Paulson still retains a visceral commitment to the market for its own sake. The Europeans don’t. For them, the state is the center of society, not the market. Thus, the Europeans were ready to abandon the market much faster than the Americans.

Yet the Europeans and the Americans both had to intervene in some way, and now they face exactly the same problem: having decided to make the pig fly, there remains the small matter of how to build a flying pig. The problem is administrative. It is all very well to say that the government will buy paper or stock in companies, or that it will guarantee loans between banks. The problem is that no institutions exist to do this. There are no offices filled with officials empowered to do any of these things, no rules on how these things are to be done, no bank accounts on which to draw — not even a decision on who has to sign the checks. The faster they try to set up these institutions, the more inefficient, error-prone and even corrupt they will turn out to be. We can assure you that some bright lads are already thinking dreamily of ways to scam the system, and the faster it is set up, the fewer controls there will be.

But even if all of that is thrown aside, and it is determined that failure, error and corruption are an acceptable price to pay to avoid economic crisis, it will still take weeks to set up either plan (with the possible exception of the Fed’s announcement to jump into the interbank market directly). Some symbolic transactions can take place within days — and they will undoubtedly be important. But the infrastructure for processing tens of thousands of transactions simply takes time to build.

This, of course, is known to the eurozone finance ministers. Indeed, the Europeans will hold an EU-wide summit on the topic this week, while the Americans are going to be working very hard to clarify their own processes in the next few days. The financial institutions will need to have guarantees to start lending — or some sort of retroactive guarantee — but the bet is that the stock markets will stop falling long enough to give the finance ministries time to get organized. It might work.

We need to add to this another dimension we find very interesting. We have discussed elsewhere the axes on which this decision will be made: one is the degree of government intervention, the other is the degree of international collaboration. Clearly, governments are going to play the pivotal role. What is interesting is the degree to which genuine international collaboration is missing. Certainly there is voluntary collaboration — but there is not an integrated global strategy, there is not an integrated global institution administering the strategy, nor is there an irrevocable commitment on the part of governments to subordinate their sovereignty to relevant global institutions.

The Americans and Europeans seem to be diverging in their approaches, with Paulson delivering a warning about the consequences of protectionism. But the European Union is also now being split between members of the eurozone and EU members who have their own currencies (primarily the United Kingdom). Indeed, even within the eurozone, the solutions will be national. Germany, France, Italy and the rest are all pursuing their own bailouts of their own institutions. They have pledged to operate on certain principles and to coordinate — as have the United States and Europe — but the fact is that each state is going to execute a national policy through national institutions with its own money and bureaucracies.

What is most interesting in the long run is the fact the Europeans, even in the eurozone, have not attempted a European solution. Nationalism is very much alive in Europe and has emerged, as one would expect, in a time of crisis. And this raises a crucial question. Some countries have greater exposure and fewer resources than others. Will the stronger members of the eurozone help the weaker? At present it seems any such help would be simply coincidental. This is a global question as well. The Europeans have pointed out that the contagion started in the United States. It is true that the Americans sold the paper. But it is also true that the Europeans bought it readily. If ever there was a systemic failure it was this one.

However, it has always been our view that the state ultimately trumps the economy and the nation trumps multinational institutions. We are strong believers in the durability of the nation-state. It seems to us that we are seeing here the failure of multinational institutions and the re-emergence of national power. The IMF, the World Bank, the Bank for International Settlements, the European Union and the rest have all failed to function either to prevent the crisis or to contain it. The reason is not their inadequacy. Rather it is that, when push comes to shove, nation-states are not prepared to surrender their sovereignty to multinational entities or to other countries if they don’t have to. What we saw this weekend was the devolution of power to the state. All the summits notwithstanding, Berlin, Rome, Paris and London are looking out for the Germans, I talians, French and British. Globalism and the idea of “Europe” became a lot less applicable to the real world this weekend.

It is difficult to say that this weekend became a defining moment, simply because there is so much left unknown and undone. Above all it is unclear whether the equity markets will give governments the time they need to organize the nationalization (temporary we assume) of the financial system. No matter what happens this week, we simply don’t yet know the answer. The markets have not fallen enough yet to pose an overwhelming danger to the system, but at the moment, that is the biggest threat. If the governments do not have enough credibility to cause the market to believe that a solution is at hand, the government will either have to throw in the towel or begin thinking even more radically. And things have already gotten pretty radical.

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Great confirmation Post!
After reading this one I logically guaranty 95% that American financial system will totally collapse!
Timing is irrelevant important is it happens!
Because I know when it comes to this sort of problems Germans will never take the shit from American Politicians!
But you still have the France people but they always will put the Flag to the best & strongest wind-direction! So that means they will drop away from America also very soon! 1 + 1 = 2

Self preservation is more important then Mafia collaboration!
Americans started this mess; so logically it will be impossible for these brain-dead think tanks to fix it! Bush already confirmed it that it will take time to put it into the system! Ones a fuck-head Politician says this that means they don't fucking know what & how to do it!

Also when Politicians & Commentators using the word Hope on MSM you know what it means & there is no God helping them thats for sure!

Now the internal Mafia war has officially started & they all freaking Hate the whore!

No matter now who you all Vote for it's Done Babylon is burning!

Good! :D

Die! Fuckers! Die!:mad:

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Lets compare reality! (German America )(CEP News) - The German government announced details of its rescue package on Monday, which will be worth as much as €500.
A spokesperson from the German finance ministry confirmed the price tag, which includes up to €400 billion worth of guarantees for banks, and another €100 billion to recapitalize banks.
The ministry said banks will be able to draw upon a financial market stabilization fund up until the end of 2009.
The goal is "to create a viable instrument that will overcome the current liquidity shortages in a timely fashion and strengthen the stability of the German financial market," the ministry said in a statement.
Speaking on Monday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the package is expected to help interbank lending. She also said financial issues will be discussed once again at the upcoming G8 meeting in November. The package is expected to be voted on in Germany's two houses of parliament by the end of the week.
Population: 82,369,552 (July 2008 est.) https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/gm.html

Germany:..... (400 billion Plus 100 billion =687.6 $ bill)

500,000,000,000 / 82,369,552 = 6070 Euro = 8347 $ value per head
German finance ministry confirmed the price tag = Clear mission statement & clear message to the Public !
400 billion worth of guarantees for banks = Clear statement amount & function.
100 billion to recapitalize banks = Clear statement & function.

Clear statement Clear application result is Trust!
U.S. Bank Recapitalization Plan Announcement Oct 14 08 10:22 GMT
http://www.actionforex.com/fundamental-analysis/daily-forex-fundamentals/euro-and-pound-choppy-ahead-of-u.s.-bank-recapitalization-plan-announcement-2008101464216/
The U.S. is scheduled to announce the details of their recapitalization plan at 8:30 EST, which is expected to include a $250 billion direct investment in troubled banks with $125 billion earmarked for nine major banks. The plan will also call for a guarantee of on interbank lending which follows the action from Europe and was necessary to prevent arbitrage opportunities and the flow of funds overseas to safer havens.Population: 303,824,640 (July 2008 est.) https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/us.html

America: ..... (Asking for 700 billion; got 850 bil ?? but only using 250 billion)
250,0000,000,000 / 303,824,640 = 822 $ US value per head
700,0000,000,000 / 303,824,640 = 2303 $ US value per head
US Government still thinking about what to do & how! = Not one statement clear only Blah!... Blah!
US Government ministry confirmed What? = Nothing Clear yet (Still talking)!
250 billion worth of guarantees for banks = Will be announced ?
100 billion to recapitalize banks = Is this included in the 250 Bil ?

Where is the rest did they not ask for 700 bill & got 850 bill approved = What the Fuck is going on? :twisted:

Not one clear statement all looks fishy again and not one American knows what is really going on!

1 + 1 = 2 American System is History no hope, no action no Trust!

What more got to be ask? http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/dynamite.gif
The Future is clear & one American is worth 822 $ Maximum 2303 $ but I don't think this money will ever be put into the Market!
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NO To The Paulson-Bernanke Derivatives Scam Bailout
Bail Out the American People, Not Wall Street! An Economic Recovery Strategy for Protectionists, Dirigists, Mercantilists, and Populists
WASHINGTON DC -- The grand theft bailout now being rammed through Congress by Treasury Secretary Paulson, Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke, and other officials of the Bush regime with the help of accomplices Pelosi, Majority Leader Harry Reid, and other parliamentarians is a monstrosity for the ages, combining every hideous feature of monetarism, elitism, oligarchism, and sheer feckless incompetence. It is to all intents and purposes a national suicide note of the United States of America, a contract with the devil that absolutely guarantees irrevocable national decline. For any person of goodwill there can be only one impulse at the present moment, and that is to stop this bailout -- to block it, to sabotage it, to bottle it up, to load it with killer amendments, and to do everything legally possible to stop this insane design from going through.

Topics:
IF MCCAIN VOTES AGAINST THE BAILOUT, HE WILL WIN THE PRESIDENCY

PAULSON OF GOLDMAN SACHS, WOULD-BE FINANCE DICTATOR

COMMERCIAL BANKS ARE INDISPENSABLE

JPM, CITI, BoA ARE DERIVATIVES MONSTERS, NOT COMMERCIAL BANKS

DERIVATIVES ARE FINANCIAL AIDS

DERIVATIVES ARE USELESS AND A THREAT TO CIVILIZATION

FOR RECOVERY, WIPE OUT, SHRED, DELETE ALL DERIVATIVES

FOR RECOVERY, WIPE OUT, SHRED, DELETE ALL DERIVATIVES

INSTRUMENTS MEANS DERIVATIVES

"INVESTMENT BANKS" DRIVE UP THE PUMP PRICE OF GASOLINE

GOLDMAN SACHS, MORGAN STANLEY CREATE I.C.E. TO FLAY AMERICANS

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The Liberal Lie, The Conservative Truth AMERICAN PATRIOTS - NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT THANK GOD - THE SUNDAY COMMENTARY http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/deafdumblind.gif (http://theliberalslies.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_archive.html)
http://theliberalslies.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_archive.html
America that would bring tears to the eyes of George Washington
I am witnessing something in this wonderful land we call America that would bring tears to the eyes of George Washington. A movement within this country that if it had existed in this same form in 1776, these anti patriot zealots would have called the Continental Army warmongers, the Continental Congress trouble makers and the Declaration of Independence a propaganda piece by right wingers.

It is politically wrong in this land we love to wave the flag, say the pledge, pray to God and believe that the fight for liberty and freedom is a fight worth dying for! Children are refusing to say the pledge and it is considered good. Yet no one has questioned why they chose to do this. They were not born to say no to saying the pledge. They did not just wake up one morning and say, " I am not going to say the pledge today." They were taught, whether by liberal teachers or by parents who think patriotism is stupid, they were taught !
Thursday, September 27, 2007

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Within the Architecture of Denial and Duplicity:
The Democratic Party and the Infantile Omnipotence of The Ruling Class. http://bp3.blogger.com/_9qHzlJ2hzJ8/RnrIFQDmZ6I/AAAAAAAAA6Q/3AZnusSzcng/s400/democrats_jackass.jpg (http://www.bonvote.com/rss.php?s=2303274)
Why did the Democratic Congress betray the voting public? Betrayal is often a consequence of wishful thinking. It's the world's way of delivering the life lesson that it's time to shed the vanity of one's innocence and grow-the-hell-up. Apropos, here's lesson number one for political innocents: Power serves the perpetuation of power. In an era of runaway corporate capitalism, the political elite exist to serve thecorporate elite. It's that simple.

Why do the elites lie so brazenly? Ironically, because they believe they're entitled to, by virtue of their superior sense of morality. How did they come to this arrogant conclusion? Because they think they're better than us. If they believe in anything at all, it is this: They view us as a reeking collection of wretched, baseborn rabble, who are, on an individuallevel, a few billion neurons short of being governable by honest means.

Yes, you read that correctly: They believe they're better than you. When they lie and flout the rules and assert that the rule of law doesn't apply to them or refuse to impeach fellow members of their political and social class who break the law -- it is because they have convinced themselves it is best for society as a whole.

How did they come by such self-serving convictions? The massive extent of their privilege has convinced them that they're the quintessence of human virtue, that they're the most gifted of all golden children ever kissed by the radiant....
http://www.bonvote.com/rss.php?s=2303274

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Coming Soon: The 600 Trillion Derivatives Emergency Meeting http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/dynamite.gif Here is an update on the size of the derivatives market with the latest official figures (.pdf) from the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). Hold your breath, as we are not anymore talking paltry billions but TRILLIONS of whichever fiat currency.

Current emergency meetings on banks and markets are still only in the stage where politicians and central bankers are bickering over how to create a few more hundred billions Euros and FRNs. But toxic MBS pale in comparison to the mushrooming growth of the derivatives market. According to figures released in the quarterly review of the BIS (pp A103) in September the total notional amount of outstanding derivatives in all categories rose 15% to a mindboggling $596 TRILLION as of December 2007.

Two thirds of contracts by volume or $393 TRILLION fell into the category of interest rate derivatives. Credit Default Swaps had a notional volume of $58 TRILLION, seeing the sharpest relative increase after a volume of $43 TRILLION a year earlier.

Currency derivatives reached a volume of $56 TRILLION.

Oh, and every grand balance sheet comes with a trash can. Unallocated derivatives with a notional amount of $71 TRILLION are looming over the heads of the disintegrating investment community too.
However You Look At It, This Is an Accident Waiting To Happenhttp://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/boom.gif

Don't lose your sleep because of these numbers that KO my desktop calculator. In an ideal world - in which we are not - long and short derivatives would net out each other, leaving only a fraction of risk. The BIS tries to assess this net risk with a total of $14.5 TRILLION (2006: 11.1 TRILLION) in gross market value for all contracts but comes up with a second figure.

The so called Gross Credit Exposure appears almost moderate at $3.256 TRILLION after $2.672 TRILLION a year earlier.

Even when taking the lowest of these figures shudders run down my spine. All emergency talks have so far focused on a few hundred billions in fiat currencies, but the current nervousness demonstrated by hectic talks of finance ministers and central bankers all over the globe should give everybody a vague idea that something here may blow up any day. This pool of so far silent derivatives without a major bust can come to life any day with the failure of a multinational financial firm.

The BIS review is a good way to grasp the dimensions long term monetary expansion has brought upon us. A net risk of $14 TRILLION compares with the annual GDP of the USA. Nobody, absolutely nobody can afford this tab in the case of an unorderly unwinding of this market that is roughly 12 times the size of the global economy. I conclude a lot more paper promises will be burnt in the coming derivatives tsunami. As a reminder, most of these contracts have been moved off balance sheets into under capitalized subsidiaries that profited from the good rating of the parent company. But in case of a default it is this nasty, nasty huge notional amount that becomes a liability.

As the vast majority of these contracts have no market, failure will come in the form of counterparty risk. This makes all the current emergency meeting a bit more understandable if politicians are already aware of the biggest bubble that may find no other way of deflation than a sudden burst. I base my sense of urgency on the rapid growth of the net risk in only one year, rising a stunning 30% at a time when the first signs of the credit crunch appeared.

German chancellor Angela Merkel said ahead of an emergency meeting with French president Nicolas Sarkozy in a TV interview that she would present a rescue package for German banks on Monday. This is also expected from several other European countries. Italian president Silvio Berlusconi went so far as to suggest a concerted stock exchange holiday. It would fit the other crooked nails in the coffin of free markets.http://seekingalpha.com/article/99674-coming-soon-the-600-trillion-derivatives-emergency-meeting?source=email
Derivatives - BasicsSubject: Derivatives - Basics
A derivative is a financial instrument that does not constitute ownership, but a promise to convey ownership. Examples are options and futures. The most simple example is a call option on a stock. In the case of a call option, the risk is that the person who writes the call (sells it and assumes the risk) may not be in business to live up to their promise when the time comes. In standarized options sold through the Options Clearing House, there are supposed to be sufficient safeguards for the small investor against this.

Before discussing derivatives, it's important to describe their basis. All derivatives are based on some underlying cash product. These "cash" products are:
Spot Foreign Exchange. This is the buying and selling of foreign currency at the exchange rates that you see quoted on the news. As these rates change relative to your

"home currency" (dollars if you
are in the US), so you make or lose money.
Commodities. These include grain, pork bellies, coffee beans, orange juice, etc.
Equities (termed "stocks" in the US)
Bonds of various different varieties (e.g., they may be Eurobonds, domestic bonds, fixed interest / floating rate notes, etc.). Bonds are medium to long-term negotiable debt securities issued by governments, government agencies, federal bodies (states), supra-national organisations such as the World Bank, and companies. Negotiable means that they may be freely traded without reference to the issuer of the security. That they are debt securities means that in the event that the company goes bankrupt. bond-holders will be repaid their debt in full before the holders of unsecuritised debt get any of their principal back.
Short term ("money market") negotiable debt securities such as T-Bills (issued by governments), Commercial Paper (issued by companies) or Bankers Acceptances. These are much like bonds, differing mainly in their maturity "Short" term is usually defined as being up to 1 year in maturity. "Medium term" is commonly taken to mean form 1 to 5 years in maturity, and "long term" anything above that.
Over the Counter ("OTC") money market products such as loans / deposits. These products are based upon borrowing or lending. They are known as "over the counter" because each trade is an individual contract between the 2 counterparties making the trade. They are neither negotiable nor securitised. Hence if I lend your company money, I cannot trade that loan contract to someone else without your prior consent. Additionally if you default, I will not get paid until holders of your company's debt securities are repaid in full. I will however, be paid in full before the equity holders see a penny.
Derivative products are contracts which have been constructed based on one of the "cash" products described above. Examples of these products include options and futures. Futures are commonly available in the following flavours (defined by the underlying "cash" product):
commodity futures
stock index futures
interest rate futures (including deposit futures, bill futures and government bond futures)
For more information on futures, please see the article in this FAQ on futures.

In the early 1990s, derivatives and their use by various large institutions became quite a hot topic, especially to regulatory agencies. What really concerns regulators is the fact that big banks swap all kinds of promises all the time, like interest rate swaps, froward currency swaps, options on futures, etc. They try to balance all these promises (hedging), but there is the big danger that one big player will go bankrupt and leave lots of people holding worthless promises. Such a collapse could cascade, as more and more speculators (banks) cannot meet their obligations because they were counting on the defaulted contract to protect them from losses.

All of this is done off the books, so there is no total on how much exposure each bank has under a specific scenario. Some of the more complicated derivatives try to simulate a specific event by tracking it with other events (that will usually go in the same or the opposite direction). Examples are buying Japan stocks to protect against a loss in the US. However, if the usual correlation changes, big losses can be the result.

The big danger with the big banks is that while they can use derivatives to hedge risk, they can also use them as a way of taking ON risk. Not that risk is bad. Risk is how a bank makes money; for example, issuing loans is a risk. However, banks are forbidden from taking on risk with derivatives. It's just too easy for a bank to hedge bonds with derivatives that don't have the same maturity, same underlying security, etc. so the correlation between the hedge and the risky position is weak.
http://invest-faq.com/cbc/deriv-basics.html

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US Fed official raises new fears on economyhttp://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/dynamite.gifOctober 15, 2008 - 4:17PM
http://news.theage.com.au/world/us-fed-official-raises-new-fears-on-economy-20081015-51c7.html A top Federal Reserve official raised new fears about the health of the US economy, adding to worries of a global slowdown while nations are already battling a serious crisis in money markets.

The comments came as the United States unveiled plans to take a stake in nine major banks, propping up more institutions hit by the credit crunch that has set off the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.

"This is an essential short-term measure to ensure the viability of America's banking system," President George W. Bush said Tuesday in announcing the move, the latest in a series of US government rescues.

Acknowledging he had his own misgivings about the decision, Bush said the government's intervention was "not intended to take over the free market, but to preserve it."

The rescue plan followed similar bank bail outs in Europe in recent weeks, as world governments have taken urgent steps to restore confidence in the financial system and ease the credit crunch at the root of the current turmoil.

But while those measures appear to be soothing some concerns, there are growing worries that the global economy is sliding into recession .

Janet Yellen, president of the San Francisco Federal Reserve, said the United States, the world's largest economy, appeared to be in recession already.http://www.silobreaker.com/DocumentClusterReader.aspx?Item=16_913775122German economy on brink of recession-think tanks
http://www.silobreaker.com/DocumentClusterReader.aspx?Item=16_913629186
BERLIN: The German economy, Europe's biggest, is on the edge of recession and looks set to notch up growth of only 0.2 percent next year, leading economic think tanks said Tuesday. "In the autumn of 2008, the German economy is on the brink of a recession," ... [9 hours ago - Manila Times]

Which banks live or die? Wielding $250 billion, U.S. may decide
http://www.silobreaker.com/DocumentClusterReader.aspx?Item=16_913785603
By flooding the U.S. banking system with hundreds of billions of dollars in cheap capital, the government could find itself funding the most dramatic change in the nation's financial landscape since the deregulation drive of the 1980s.That's because the ... [50 mins ago - Los Angeles Times]

Aussie economic growth tipped to slow
http://www.silobreaker.com/DocumentClusterReader.aspx?Item=16_913865486
Share market slides, tight credit conditions and faltering demand will weigh down Australia's economic performance in coming months, a report says.But the economy is not expected to be in a worse position than in the aftermath of the millennium tech wreck ... [1 hour ago - The West Online]

Asia stocks slip as global recession fears rise
http://www.silobreaker.com/DocumentClusterReader.aspx?Item=16_913965074
HONG KONG (Reuters) - Most Asian stock markets fell 1-3 percent while gold rose on Wednesday on investor worries of lower corporate earnings in a weakening global economy, even as money markets continued to heal gradually. ... [1 hour ago - Reuters: Business News]Economic Main Street Manifesto: 10 Reasons how this Bailout Fails the Middle Class American Worker.The question that most Americans have on their mind about this historical government intervention is whether this program is ultimately going to work. In short, no. In this article I’m going to highlight 10 major reasons why this global intervention is nothing more than stitches on breaking economic flesh from preventing the world from going into the infected abyss. Just like I highlighted why the California housing market will not hit a bottom until May of 2011, I believe that this current intervention is simply window dressing on a dry and stale turkey.

Make no mistake, we were on the precipice of systematic failure in our financial system. What has occurred only ensures that we don’t go into Mad Max territory. In addition, the global turmoil has once again cemented the fact that we are all bound by the hip and we are all going to face pain together. A severe recession is baked into the global financial cake.

If you really want to see a financial system go off a cliff take a look at the Icelandic stock market which opened up again:
http://www.silobreaker.com/DocumentReader.aspx?Item=5_913957140
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So what is missing to complete the agenda; they need to create a 'false flag' Terrorist plot!
All by the Book!http://rense.com/1.imagesH/magic_dees.jpg

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How We Called the Stock Market Crash of 2008 To the Day
by Robert McHughWe wrote in our September 12th, weekend newsletter, page 7, "September 29th could be a kickoff to a devastating stock market crash." That has proven true to the precise day, the Industrials crashing 3,260 points, or 29 percent since September 29th. But, how did we know?

There were several key indicators and patterns converging like the perfect storm. While we believed back in the spring that this autumn was to see a huge decline, in early September it became apparent to us that a crash similar in magnitude and scope to 1929's and 1987's was just a few weeks from starting.

First, we identified a huge Declining Bullish Wedge pattern, one that started back at the October 2007 top, when the Industrials hit an all-time high of 14,198 on October 11th. The pattern had formed perfect converging trendlines, drawn from connecting decline tops with declining tops, and declining bottoms with declining bottoms over the past year, with prices now reaching position for the last leg of this pattern, a devastating drop below the bottom boundary. Prices had reached that bottom boundary, which meant the time had arrived for the necessary and expectant plunge, wave e down. That pattern is attached below.
http://www.safehaven.com/article-11539.htmMcHugh predicts crash
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=416354#416354
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Brink of Depression?The entire U.S. economy is already in a recession, but it maybe much worse teetering on the brink of a depression driven by deteriorating real estate markets. There have been six depressions since 1837 in the U.S. There is much more damage that can result to the real estate markets and the overall American economy as a result of the credit crisis.

Foreclosures reached all-time record levels in 2007 and will surpass that in 2008, according to the Housing Predictor forecast. Fortunately or unfortunately Housing Predictor’s forecasts have been right on the mark. An estimated 1.8-million homes have already been foreclosed as a result of the U.S. real estate crisis.

The crisis has spread into new exotic conventional adjustable rate mortgages at an increasingly rapid pace. More than 50% of all residential properties in default nationwide are owned by investors, the majority of whom will allow their property to be foreclosed more easily filing bankruptcies in many cases to protect their primary residence.

Financial losses and the damage to credit histories are comparatively minor consequences in this day and age. Many multi-millionaires have poor credit histories learning how to obtain financing later with little penalty. After all, banks are in the business of lending money.

The Federal Reserve’s emergency rate cut of the primary Fed Funds Rate by three-quarters of a point to 3.5% is an attempt to quell financial markets troubled by a deteriorating economy. However, from an historical perspective, the real estate market has always been a gauge of the greater U.S. economy from nine months to 18 months earlier than the overall economy. The national real estate recession forecast by Housing Predictor in early 2007 is worsening.

Investors on Wall Street and in other financial markets have watched their hard-earned savings go up in smoke as trillions of dollars are wiped out from the economic turmoil. Stock values around the world are falling.

The rescue plan offered by President George W. Bush announcing a $150-billion U.S. stimulus package will do little to help the ailing U.S. real estate market and millions of American home owners on the verge of foreclosure.

An old cliché in real estate is "Lenders are liars." The loose lending guidelines, lack of government regulation, over-whelming fraud, consumer loan fraud, misrepresentations and historically low interest rates set by the Fed led to the economic crisis. Many Americans think investors should just suffer the consequences in financial losses and credit report destruction. But the credit crisis is much larger than just investors’ financial losses and credit being damaged.

American economist Henry George found 120 years ago that the cause of every major depression had been land speculation. However, never before in U.S. economic history has there been as much land speculation as in the past decade. Land from Florida up the eastern seaboard to New York all the way across the nation to California has been purchased by speculators at the highest rate in the nation’s history, much of it with little money down to protect investors’ interests.

The great American green back is not a political issue, and the American economy is no longer just at risk of a recession no matter what the political pundits might have you believe. It is already in a full blown recession. Government reports are always slow. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and even highly touted special interests need to forget their differences. America is at War in Iraq and in political chaos at home.

Political differences need to be bridged to save the national economy with emergency legislation before the epidemic of foreclosures reaches 1 in 10 American home owners, which is more than probable. The subprime crisis is only a fraction of the problem. One in 28 home owners has already been affected in foreclosure in Stockton, California, one in 63 across the nation in Cleveland, Ohio and an estimated one in 24 in Detroit, Michigan. Local economies are feeling the pain in major ways.

If emergency legislation is not passed to halt the foreclosure crisis the nation is certain to see another depression not only initially caused by the subprime meltdown, and its resulting housing crisis, but by a nation that has lost confidence in itself as a powerhouse.
http://www.housingpredictor.com/depression.html Watch Out for The DepressionForeclosures reached all-time record levels in 2007 and will surpass that in 2008, according to the Housing Predictor forecast. Fortunately or unfortunately Housing Predictor’s forecasts have been right on the mark. An estimated 1.8-million homes have already been foreclosed as a result of the U.S. real estate crisis.

The crisis has spread into conventional mortgages at an increasingly rapid pace. More than 50% of all residential properties in default nationwide are owned by investors, the majority of whom will allow their property to be foreclosed more easily filing bankruptcies in many cases to protect their primary residence. Those are comparatively minor consequences in this day and age. Many multi-millionaires have poor credit histories learning how to obtain financing later with little penalty. After all banks are in the business of lending money.

From an historical prospective, the real estate market has always been a gauge of the greater U.S. economy from nine months to 18 months earlier than the overall economy. The national real estate recession was forecast by Housing Predictor in early 2007.

Investors on Wall Street and in other financial markets have watched their hard-earned savings go up in smoke as trillions of dollars are wiped out from the economic turmoil. Stock values around the world are falling.

The rescue plan offered by President George W. Bush announcing a $150-billion U.S. stimulus package will do little to help the ailing U.S. real estate market and millions of American homeowners at the brink of foreclosure.

An old cliche in real estate is “Lenders are liars.” The loose lending guidelines, lack of government regulation, over-whelming fraud, consumer loan fraud, misrepresentations and historically low interest rates set by the Fed led to the economic crisis. Many Americans think investors should just suffer the consequences in financial losses and credit report destruction. But the credit crisis is much larger than just investors’ financial losses and credit being damaged.
The entire U.S. economy is at the brink of not only a recession, but much worse teetering on the brink of a . Historically, it is just a balance of the economic markets. There have been six depressions since 1837 in the U.S. There is much more damage that can result to the real estate markets and the overall American economy as a result.

The cause of every major depression has been land speculation. Economist Henry George discovered this fact 120 years ago. However, never before in U.S. economic history has been there as much land speculation than in the past decade. Land from Florida up the eastern seaboard in New York across the nation to California has been purchased by speculators at the highest rate in the nation’s history, much of it with little money down to protect investors interests.

The great American green back is not a political issue, and the American economy is no longer just at risk of a recession no matter what the political pundits might have you believe. It is already in a full-blown recession. Government reports are always slow. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and even highly touted special interests need to forget their differences. America is at War in Iraq and in political chaos at home.

Political differences need to be bridged to save the national economy with emergency legislation before the epidemic of foreclosures reaches 1 in 10 American homeowners, which is more than probable. One in 28 homeowners have already been affected in foreclosure in Stockton, California, one in 63 across the nation in Cleveland, Ohio and an estimated one in 24 in Detroit, Michigan. Local economies are feeling the pain in major ways.

If emergency legislation is not passed to halt the foreclosure crisis the nation is certain to see another depression not only caused by the subprime meltdown, and its resulting housing crisis, but by a nation that has lost confidence in itself as a powerhouse.

Editor: Cited reformer above Henry George not only spelled out the link between speculation and depression but also how to undo it: recover land rent for everyone while de-taxing real production of goods and services.
http://www.progress.org/2008/predicts.htm
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A few of the well known companies that changed hands during that period were John Deere, Douglas Aircraft, Reynolds Metals, Ericsson, and even the Goudy Gum Company - they were the first gum company to issue baseball cards with gum.

Some of the oppressive laws that our government passed during the 1930s were an effort to take money from the large number of people who had liquid cash and were using it to buy companies (or stocks in companies) as well as property. The government wanted to take it away from the people who had been smart enough to stash away liquid cash and not get into credit debt, and use it to fund the war effort as well as re-distribute it to the destitute families.

These laws were later ruled unconstitutional, but the point is that the people with liquid cash were spending it in way that made them millions, especially in industries necessary to the war effort. Yes, the stock market crashed, but the stocks could still be bought at undervalued prices and those with cash invested at the bottom of the market.

The tactic to be learned from this is a simple one that the people who use my Money Management Software implement right away. They stash cash. In case you missed it, here is THE GOLDEN NUGGET: When it comes to money, the only thing you have to fear is having no liquid cash to get you through an economic crisis.

It is a great time to buy property, but there are many people who have too much of their money tied up in non-liquid investments. They are worth lots of money on paper, but can hardly pay their bills. And there are those who have much of their money invested in semi-liquid investments like the stock market and yet have no liquid cash that they could get their hands on within 30 minutes if an emergency presented itself.

The frightening shape our current economy is in today has the same indicators that heralded the depression of the 1930’s. Not enough cash savings, too much corporate and personal credit debt, banks failing and having to be bailed out (Washington Mutual Bank was the first at a $5 billion bail out in April) and the mortgage crisis / real estate crash.

My clients are getting rid of their credit debt and stashing liquid cash like crazy. They are sleeping well at night and will make it through whatever comes. What are you doing to prepare for the economic recession / depression that is already underway?

Sandra Simmons, President of Money Management Solutions, Inc. has years of experience helping business owners and individuals manage their money to achieve financial freedom. Claim your FREE REPORT “
http://moneymgmtsolutions.com/blog/debt-consolidation/how-to-become-a-millionaire-during-the-depression/

[oiram]

I'd be very interested. It'd just be so easy for THEM to wipe us out if we'd all settle in the same place. I doubt they would just let us live in peace on our small island. It'd be so easy to bomb the whole island, and then either cover everything up or tell the public they just got rid of some insane suicide cult.Yes I know! That's why I still call it a dream!
At least we know that logical thinking Freedom seeking Humans have a real enemy!

So what should we do with the enemy of Humanity?
Give them our left cheek then our right cheek & in the end we should forgive them because we trained stupid http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/sheepl.gif! No sorry never liked this groups of people & there illogical behavior & there way of thinking; never ever computes in my brain & I will fight it my way until I die!

Only http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/evil.gif him self would teach shit like this to thehttp://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/sheepl.gifhttp://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/sheep.gif; so http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/evil.gif evil doers getting away with there crimes!
So who the fuck is this Jesus figure they selling to the people in these organizations? 1 + 1 = 2

I stopped working because I don't agree & don't ever like to pay or support criminals! "Not by consent, rhetoric, manipulation or force"
That's what I don't understand that people don't show strong resistance to pay there taxes to bailout criminals & there organizations & all the Governments are supporting the criminals so what should this logically tells a normal thinking person???

That's right nothing because they not using there logic & it's not our responsibility to make them use there own logic; so should they die because of there ignorance; honestly I could not give a shit let them die by the millions! At least this maybe switches on there natural logic "Only Maybe??"http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/sheepl.gifhttp://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/sheep.gif

Governments proved clearly to all & even the none thinking http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/sheep.gif that they are not logic & are not working in the best interest of the enforced Tax paying working public!
One reason could be they are criminals them selfs working with the criminals & for the criminals! 1 + 1 = 2
No one bails me out if I fucked up in my work or life; actually they would put me in jail for it! So why does this only applies for normal working people & not for http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/evil.gif followers? Hah! 1 + 1 = 2

Anything which does not have logical thinking or does not use his God given logic & behaves like an ANIMAL IS a ANIMAL! Full stop period!
This has nothing to do with being smarter; it's just basic logic & all got blessed with this from birth! "Right or Wrong?"

The ones which support & agree to pay there hard earned money to criminal corrupt individuals just continue but "I don't & I will fight it my way & the next step is to take every cent out of there corrupt Banks & corrupt system!"

That's right Screw all Criminals & there following ignorant http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/sheep.gif
Die! Suckers! Die!............Stupidity & Ignorance will not protect you from logical judgment!


Where has all the money gone? (WHO, WHAT, WHY?)
Billions of pounds have been wiped off property values and share prices remain volatile, while the debt-laden banks are being bailed out.
But where has all this money gone?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7670313.stm

[oiram]

At least $45 trillion will now be wiped out by 2010http://www.renegadeeconomist.com/default.asp?Display=46

At least $45 trillion will now be wiped off people's wealth and trigger a decade-long depression.

Fred Harrison will release his forecast today at a Press conference at the Foreign Press Association, London. His estimate is based on conservative assumptions, it therefore under-estimates the true scale of the losses that are destroying banks and peoples savings around the globe.

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Harrison describes the contagion spreading around the world in a new Renegade Economist film that may be viewed today on our YouTube channel.
“By using the methodology that enabled me to forecast the current crisis back in 1997 – a full 10 years before the credit crunch crushed the banks – I am left in no doubt that the assets of home-owners and investors will be savaged,” Harrison claims.

The “wealth effect” - in which people tailor their spending according to the value of their assets – will crush consumption worldwide. This contraction in the demand for consumer goods and services makes a depression unavoidable, unless governments adopt the correct remedies.

Futile Regulation and Arrested Growth

At present, governments are banking on a regulatory approach to the credit crisis. This will not cure the systemic flaw in the market economy, warns Harrison, which is why politicians are leading their countries into what he calls a decade of “arrested growth”.

To avoid being sensationalist Harrison cautiously assumes a 20% drop in values. In the UK, residential property was valued at £4 trillion in 2006, according to Halifax, the nation’s largest mortgage bank. If house prices drop by 20%, a loss of £800bn would be incurred. Fred actually expects them to drop by 30% on average.

In the US, the value of wealth tied up in residential property alone declined by $3.4 trillion in the two years following the peak in prices in July 2006. The total wealth in the homes of American families exceeded $30 trillion. Assuming prices drop by no more than 20%, the wealth wipe-out in the US residential sector alone is more than $6 trillion. Fred expects US house prices to drop by at least 40%.

In Australia, residential property was worth about AU$3 trillion in 2006. A 20% drop would incur a loss of AU$600bn. Worldwide, residential property will lose about $20 trillion in value.

Unless the Federal government adopts the tax-led incentives - spelt out in Fred's forthcoming book - there will be no consumption-led recovery in America after 2010.

In addition to the real estate estimates Fred estimates a $15 trillion wipe-out of capital invested in the business sector. The major losses will be concentrated in Europe and North America.

Buying Time

Worldwide, central bankers have committed about $2 trillion in taxpayer-backed bail-outs to banks. This is buying time, but the reform plans being discussed are useless. Politicians think that a new tier of regulations – trimming bankers’ bonuses, checking the short sellers, enforced “transparency”, improved risk assessment – will prevent further episodes of reckless property speculation. But these are symptoms, not the cause, of property bubbles.

Sub-prime lending in the USA and UK has featured in every boom/bust over the last two centuries, and it will resurface in the next cycle in new forms to evade the controls of regulators.
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=37138

[oiram]

Money The Ultimate AddictionJim Kirwan
10-15-8

The Devil does indeed 'lie in the details' of this finalizing moment of the federal government's insertion of itself, into the previously most-private interests of the major banks and US financial institutions. As early as today it is becoming clear that these banks and institutions are not yet "interested" in loaning out the $250 Billion that they got in exchange for letting the government into their private dens-of-monetary-iniquity: "NOT interested".

So, the owners are going to keep the money to "earn" more illicit interest, at the expense of those in crying need for what that investment of capital was supposed to solve? That's what we get for not making the loaning of that money immediately mandatory! Analysis's say that the money just inserted will not be available for several months: which translates to "AFTER the Elections."

Apparently high finance is too esoteric for most Americans to keep up with. Maybe we can more easily understand how the dollar signs on the ankles above are instrumental in linking us to each other. But there are additional common denominators throughout his entire charade that de-mystify this giveaway of the public's money to the most dangerous high-profile criminals in the land: Our Money-Lenders.

These money-lenders, the owners of our lives, are in the habit of demanding all kinds of behavior-modifications from the public, as well as the work-force, to minimize "risks" to their capital investments: Risks that they feel they suffer whenever any of their two-legged collateral is employed.

Workers are property (business collateral) and must be monitored in every aspect of their lives: even though they are only paid for a small portion of their 24-7 workweek; which their owners currently have total-control over. So in exchange for the privilege of a dead- end job; workers must modify their behaviors to conform to what is directly optimal for the financial benefit of their Owners. That is what lies behind the regulations of every habit and association practiced by any employee; on or off their so-called "jobs".

Now compare that "deal" with the one that was struck in 1913 by the Federal Reserve "Bank" with the Congress of the United States. In exchange for the right to print all US currency; The Federal Reserve Bank did NOT have to pay the government for that license, rather, we the people of the USA had to pay them (the private owners of the Federal Reserve Bank) for every dollar of ours which they print.

What kind of a negotiation was that; and who exactly was "protecting the real and long-term interests of the people" of this country? It was definitely not the congress, or the US Supreme Court, and that illegal quagmire is at the core of this entire problem with our money and our "credit" now.
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[abrilliantone]

When will the people wake up?

When they're in a 'fear induced coma.' http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/shocked001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

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Courtesy of this:

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[oiram]

When will the people wake up?
When they're in a 'fear induced coma.'Yes! my friend you are absolutely right!

[oiram]

final looting of america by outlaws in dcoutlaw is defined as: A person, group, or thing excluded from the benefits and protection of the law. Americans who care about freedom and liberty have known for a long time that congress has simply become a lawless group of political animals who care nothing for the supreme law of the land. For decades they have turned a blind eye to other outlaws operating on their behalf: Non elected officials in the various cabinets and agencies who have been destroying a free market system and the bill of rights. The list is so long, it would fill ten columns.

For weeks, americans have been in agony over the financial meltdown millions of us knew was coming, we just didn't know when the numbers would catch up to the lies. The timing played just right with the normally scheduled adjournment of congress for the year. For over a week, the massive acorn vote fraud scandal has exposed what millions of us have known for a long time: Our elections are being stolen by corruption. Corporate media has concentrated on voter registration cards, but continues to ignore the massive fraud via electronic machines and scanners; short video. The timing of the acorn scandal plays right into the hands of the shadow government. Too little, too late with the "big day" looming. Another night of serious boob tube commentators analyzing a hoax.

The unconstitutional, immoral invasion of iraq and afghanistan continues because the number one issue with americans today is how will they put food on the table tomorrow? Obama has come out with more ideas to tax you into poverty. Mccain is promoting his ideas about keeping the income tax alive and well with more unconstitutional hair brained ideas; his latest idiocy carries a price tag of $52 billion dollars. Yesterday, sarah palin, shouted at a rally, "we will balance the budget in our first term." what hogwash.
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=1717.msg4449;topicseen#msg4449Pali n said they balance the budget in their first Term??? What absolute nonsense. The budget hasnt been IMbalanced because of necessity. It didnt get to where it is because no one could do better. Theyve been robbing the people usiong every means possible for YEARS. Look,
In order for a farmer to harvest, he must First
Allow the crop to grow.
After WWII, we took off, America had the Good Deals made available, Had all the minerals & metals, Raw materials necessary to prosper.
We were allowed to grow & prosper, all the while, new taxes were put in place, siphoning off Some of the Cream. The Powers that Be used the $$$ they took from us & used it to work their magic in other places around the world, funding little despots & screwing the life out of other places, while they continued to bleed us. They have their power structures in place in other places & are ready for their world control, They Diont NEED us any more. They are gonna finish the harvest & PLOW the CHAFF under.

Sounds idiotic when I read it, but, maybe it isnt too far off base??

[oiram]

World Food Day (The elites truly have no empathy)
This is worse than the financial crisis and today is also 'World Food Day' :( The elites truly have no empathy, I'm glad most of us do. What a truly dispicable world this is.:mad:
Welthungerhilfe: Hunger Crisis Worse than Financial Crisis
Children in Cite Soleil, Haiti, one of the capital's worst slums, finish a bowl of rice and beans they shared as their only meal of the day
Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Unlike the banks, hungry children aren't to blame for their misery, said Schäuble

With almost a billion people worldwide going hungry, the German aid organization Welthungerhilfe has warned that the financial crisis should not push their suffering in the background.

"Close to a billion starving people -- that's a disgrace for humanity," the organization's chair, Ingeborg Schäuble, said on Tuesday in Berlin. "Unlike the banks, they are not to blame for their misery."

She added that the current hunger crisis is "far worse" than the financial crisis.

"If the global hunger crisis were taken as seriously as the crisis in the financial markets, we would have found a solution long ago," she said. "And yet it is much worse and poses a threat to millions of lives."

Together with the Washington-based International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI), Schäuble presented the Global Hunger Index (GHI) 2008 ahead of World Food Day on Thursday, Oct. 16.

According to the index, which is based on the three variables of malnutrition, underweight children and child mortality, 33 countries are currently registering "alarming" or "extremely alarming" levels of hunger. Some 923 million people -- one in six people on the planet -- go hungry every day. Of that number, 907 million live in developing countries.

Schäuble said that an additional 10 billion euros ($13.7 billion) in aid was necessary to combat the situation.

"We're calling for a bailout package for the hungry," she said.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3710124,00.html

[oiram]

What is beyond the collapse?
It is Time
Sam Mathid
Oct 15, 2008

The construction of the collapse was loosely as thus:
Governments inflated their currencies.
Malinvestment resulted
To cope with the problems of malinvestment, governments inflated their currencies more.
Huge malinvestments resulted.
To cope with the problems of huge malinvestments governments inflated their currencies hugely.
Currencies utterly collapsed (still playing out).

The feeble construction known as the world economy has been held together with the glue of lies and pathetic conceits such as:
Pieces of paper printed by governments, and not backed by anything of value, could successfully be used instead of real money.
Wealth creation could be separated from production.
The more control government took of the economy, the stronger the economy would be.
The disintegration of the moral, spiritual and intellectual fabric of the western world had nothing to do with governments control of the economies.

I have had readers make the point that if the whole edifice was built only on an illusion of wealth creation, then how come there was so much prosperity for the last few decades? The answer to that is horribly simple. We expropriated and wasted not only such real wealth (production) as there has been in the present times, but we wasted the accumulated wealth of all the preceding generations, and finally (and most disgusting of all) we then went into vast debt and consumed the wealth of future generations.

The whole lot, every last nickel, has either been doled out in the gutter of political corruption, or flushed down Wall Street's slimy drain; all abetted by a malign, mumbo-jumbo nonsense called Keynesian economics. Nowhere is there reference to prior criminality and stupidity on such a grand scale. There is no historical precedent.

For three generations the public have been lied to and lulled into a false sense of security by the media, by the education system and by governments.

Now, more than ever, there is a desperate need for the truth. The restoration of hope for the future can only begin with the truth. A foundation of truth is the bedrock of any decent society, which is why the enemies of freedom seek so desperately to suppress it, and why sane people value the virtue of truth so highly.

The truth is that the current system has become corrupted beyond possibility of repair, and needs to be allowed to collapse. It will do so anyway, whether we 'allow' it or not. It must collapse, so that something more attuned to the genuine needs of people can be created. Destruction must often precede creation... slums have to be razed before fine living quarters can be constructed.

When a system is corrupt it will attract only corrupt people and only the corrupt will flourish. We have provided history with a wonderful example of that. Look at the legislators who sit in not only the American Congress, but in the UK and Australian parliaments, and in governments all across the western world. Only an utterly corrupt system could elevate and reward such second-rate people.

As of this morning I see that the DOW rose almost 1000 points overnight in the US. This on the promise of politicians taking firm action. Looking to politicians to effect a solution for this situation is as futile as poking around in a parrot's entrails in an attempt to divine Saturday's winner at Randwick. Bush claims that it is an effort to preserve the free market. The free market needs no help, it needs less hindrance. It is government 'help' that has killed the economy. As Reagan once said: "the nine most scary words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' It's actually eleven words, but what's a 20% error with any government figure.

Look at the criminals who infest Wall Street, the Federal Reserve and the Treasury. How foolish and shifty they look as they sit blinking in front of the television cameras struggling to provide coherent answers to simple questions; and yes, on one level it is laughable, but that is our money and wealth that has been destroyed. That is the material present and future of our families that has been stolen.

Our education system is run by people whose job is to ensure that children attain adulthood without gaining any dangerous ideas about personal integrity or individual responsibility. Our media no longer even pretends to publish the news, they are merely organs of propaganda for the government, and for those vast corporations allied to government. It is time to be done with all our institutions. No part of what we have is worth saving. The corruption has penetrated and permeated from the very top to the very bottom. Society has been rotted down to the last point of resistance... the core level of the family and individual. The institutions have become a part of the problem, not the solution. The solutions can now only be at the level of the family and the individual.

We need a new system which allows people (who, despite all inducements to be otherwise, are mostly honest, hard working and decent) to produce and prosper. A system that allows everyone the rewards of their efforts. A system that keeps government locked away, not only by Constitutionally binding laws (we tried that), but by harsh and prescribed penalties for the flouting of those laws.

We need a system that keeps government completely out of the economy. The first great breakthrough in the establishment of boundaries between government and people was the separation of the State from Religion, the second will be the separation of the State from Money and the Economy.

There is no place for government in monetary or financial dealings between free people. No matter the occasional foibles and failings of individuals, people will always be as saints compared to the systemized criminality that infests our corridors of power. When government pokes its dirty and self-serving legislation into the economic pie, there is an immediate corruption of that pie. The pie then gradually deteriorates until eventually and inevitably the economic pie becomes so rotten that it collapses. That is the point where we now find ourselves.

Eventually people are going to find out how it is that they have been ripped off so grossly. At that point the expression of the voice of the people will move from the sedateness of the ballot box to the get down and dirty level of the streets. What is important is that people's wrath is directed toward the right target. There are many easy yet wrong targets such as neighbours, other races, immigrants, religions etc.

The right target is governments. The criminality and breathtaking greed of Bankers and Wall Street, that has brought the whole western world to its knees, could never have happened without the legislative complicity of government. Our western system of governments, not just the American system, are rotten to the core. Definitely the American system is more corrupt than any other, but that is only a matter of degree, not of standard.

It is time for a revolution, but not just more of the same old mindless and horrendous violence of the 20th Century, with its pointless wars. Another century spent fighting wars to determine which is the best form of total government control of monetary and fiscal affairs would likely see the end of the human race. A pox on all of those governments. The original Constitution of the United States of America would be a good starting point, but with changes sufficient to ensure that the errors of the past could not again happen.

It is time for the second American revolution. America is the only place with the tradition of freedom and the intellectual underpinning (not to mention the arms) to make it happen. There would be many willing and happy to come and help. There must again be a beacon for freedom in the world. The fight is not just for the future of America, but for the future of the world.

Many in the American intelligence and military, from the top to the bottom, would renege on their allegiance to the government in an instant in the event of a revolution. They are deeply troubled by the nature of the system that they serve. Indeed, it is possible that there are very few who would fight to keep the current elitist system intact.

Bush has already deployed the First Brigade of the Third Infantry Division within mainland America. More troops are to follow. Will these troops remain reliable and true for the elites against their own countrymen? Hard to say... especially for the elites. Bush's striking down of Posse Comitatus, which disallowed the use of the US military on home soil, is a double edged sword. It is a decision and a precedent that could come back to haunt him.

It would be easy to argue the merits of a military coup in America. The arrest of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Hank Paulson, Robert Rubin et al with the dissolution of Congress, followed by an announcement of immediate criminal investigations into the whole upper hierarchy of the political and financial establishment would, after the initial shock had subsided, have massive public support.

Colin Powell sitting in the White House and presiding over a new Constitutional Convention would do a lot to reassure Americans and the rest of the world that America was serious about addressing its problems. Maybe the military are the one institution that could redeem themselves.

The fortresses of our ruling elites around the world were almost impregnable during the complacency of the past few decades. That complacency, born of the illusion of prosperity, is about to be replaced by a public rage, born of the reality of an imposed poverty. The time for truth is now, and the truth is that it is time to bring down the fascist and socialist elites and their Keynesian economic cronies who have destroyed so much and so many.

Is my message 'doomy'? Absolutely not, it is a message of hope and salvation. Could poverty, violence, war, hatred, sickness, moral rot and spiritual oblivion become worse in this century than it was in the last? Only if we allow a continuation of the same corrupt monetary system. We are in a vast debtor's prison and the guards are the very people who created the monetary system that ensured the financial ruin. Not only is the message hopeful, but throwing these criminal and pompous bums into jail, or out into the street, would be a lot of fun.

***

The truly brilliant monetary scientist Professor Antal Fekete is coming to Canberra, Australia.

On the 11th - 14th November 2008 he will be conducting the fifth and last session of Gold Standard University Live at The Australian National University. D.R. Schoon and Tom Szabo will also be in attendance. It promises to be an outstanding four day event that should not be missed.

On Saturday 15th November, Professor Fekete is conducting a one day event (again at the ANU) entitled "The Chickens Are Coming Home to Roost and Take Out Bank Capital"
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Ones a liar & criminal always a liar & criminal ! :roll: :shock: :twisted:
Not one of these Pigs is in Jail yet!

[oiram]

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[emanuel]

No-one is going in circles if they know whats going on, plus the nouse to explore what the possibilities are.

For example, when has the bank ever refused you a loan at the competitive %APR you REALLY wanted, or even worse just refused you a loan full-stop eh?

I'll tell you when: WHEN THE FUCKERS THINK/KNOW THAT YOU REALLY NEED IT!!!

;)Show em you DON'T need it, and you'll be beating em of with the preverbial stick. Easy done......

Everyone is going in circles, that includes you einstein.

[raptorialis]

HEY HAS ANYONE SEEN THE ILLUMINAT!:D

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[QUOTE=abrilliantone;565962]When will the people wake up?

When they're in a 'fear induced coma.' http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/shocked001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[raptorialis]

HEY HAS ANYONE SEEN THE ILLUMINAT!:D

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[QUOTE=abrilliantone;565962]When will the people wake up?

When they're in a 'fear induced coma.' http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/shocked001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[raptorialis]

HEY HAS ANYONE SEEN THE ILLUMINATEEEEEEEEEE!:D

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[oiram]

Five Things You Need to Know: The Modern Stealth Depression.
http://www.minyanville.com/articles/depression-california-housing-mortgage-time/index/a/18055
http://webofdebt.wordpress.com/
http://www.themoneymasters.com/
http://www.stopthesqueeze.org/
http://www.wealthmoney.org/
Financial Crisis Bailout or Not, Economic Depression is Upon Us
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/images/greenspan-bush-bernanke.jpg (http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6511.html)
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6511.html

Hyperinflationary Depression 2010.
http://www.financialsense.com/Experts/2008/Williams.html
http://www.shadowstats.com/article/292
The U.S. economy is in an intensifying inflationary recession that eventually will evolve into a hyperinflationary great depression. Hyperinflation could be experienced as early as 2010, if not before, and likely no more than a decade down the road. The U.S. government and Federal Reserve already have committed the system to this course through the easy politics of a bottomless pocketbook, the servicing of big-moneyed special interests, and gross mismanagement.

Status Report on the Collapse of the U.S. Economy.
http://www.infowars.com/?p=3413

You Know The Banking System Is Unsound When...
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2008/07/you-know-banking-system-is-unsound-when.htm

Are you ready for economic collapse ? Americans are less prepared than the Soviets were.
http://webofdebt.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/are-you-ready-for-economic-collapse-americans-are-less-prepared-than-the-soviets-were
The train has already derailed, but our media are barely reporting it. Dmitry Orlov lived through the collapse of the Soviet Union during the cold war. In his book “Reinventing Collapse” he compares the preparedness of the Soviets prior to the cold war to the preparedness of Americans today.

The economic disaster will get worse.
'21st-century stagflation: a toxic brew of soaring inflation and slumping growth'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/06/11/do1104.xml
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ONE BILLION dollars being spent to advertise new film warning of U.S. economic collapse.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/us/politics/14caucus.html
http://www.pgpf.org/
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSi411UWhgkg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HBo2xQIWHiM
"Mr. Peterson, co-founder of the Blackstone Group and a secretary of commerce under President Richard M. Nixon, will spend $1 BILLION in an effort to get the public’s attention. The money, which comes from the windfall Mr. Peterson received when Blackstone went public last year, will finance a media blitz, starting with a documentary - I.O.U.S.A. - "You can buy a lot of airtime” with $1 billion, Mr. Peterson said. "People are going to hear from us.”

House of Cards
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20196.htm
" To keep up appearances, the 'Plunge Protection Team' has been
authorized by presidential order to use U.S. taxpayer money to
manipulate markets to make them appear healthier than they are, and
lately it has been working overtime. But official assurances of a
soft landing are mere window dressing, aimed at preventing another
worldwide depression as home buyers and stock market investors
stampede for the exits "
The Worst U.S. Housing Market in a Generation Could Mean $1 Trillion in Write-Downs.
http://www.moneymorning.com/2008/07/24/us-housinghttp://bp2.blogger.com/_bFfTVKvAfKc/R858eg30L4I/AAAAAAAAAEk/Xt7jrd7vXWw/s320/FORECLOSED+BUMPER+STICKER.png (http://tees-me-t-shirt-news.blogspot.com/2008/03/take-note-because-worlds-1st-economic.html)

The party's over.
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/michael_meacher/2008/04/the_partys_over_1.html

FDIC Sets New Rules on U.S. Deposits to Avoid System Failure.
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/business/americas/2008/07/19/166270/FDIC-sets.htm
July 18 The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. set new rules for U.S. banks that let regulators take charge of paying off depositors in a move to prevent industrywide spillover in the event of a large failure.
The new FDIC rules will require banks to standardize the information they provide on deposit accounts and to establish systems to *automatically place holds on accounts with large deposits* the Wall Street Journal reported.
http://www.fdic.gov/news/news/financial/2008/fil08065.html
Global food inflation.
http://www.europac.net/report/reports/report_globalagriculture.pdf
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Jim Rogers warns of a mega crash:
The U.S. financial crisis has cut so deep – and the government has taken on so much debt in misguided attempts to bail out such companies as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – that even larger financial shocks are still to come - global investing guru Jim Rogers said.
Indeed, the U.S. financial debacle is now so ingrained – and a so - called “Super Crash” so likely – that most Americans alive today won't be around by the time the last of this credit-market mess is finally cleared away – if it ever is, Rogers said.
The end of this crisis “is a long way away,” Rogers said. “In fact, it may not be in our lifetimes.”
http://ronpaulforum.info/index.php?topic=443.0
http://www.moneymorning.com/2008/08/19/jim-rogers
The Ultimate Wall Street Nightmare. by Martin D. Weiss, Ph.D.
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/Issues.aspx?NewsletterEntryId=2234
In the wake of Lehman's demise, Fed Chairman Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Paulson will try to put out the word that it's no great trauma.
But it's a lie and they know it. If they openly admitted that the Lehman collapse will paralyze Wall Street, torpedo the stock market and sink the economy, they'd have to pony up $100 billion or more to support it. Instead, their agenda was to push big banks to put up the money. And they failed to do so.
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The Road to Hell
http://www.europac.net/newsletter/newsletter14.htm
The mammoth government bailouts of failing home lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, have sparked widespread relief that the worst-case economic scenario has apparently been avoided. Treasury Secretary Paulson, the primary engineer of the avalanche of government guarantees, has even been hailed as the "Hero of Capitalism."
However when the history of the rise and fall of the United States of America is finally written, the "housing bailout bill" will be shown to be a seminal event. If the road to hell is paved with good intentions, we just laid down a mile of asphalt.
Markets have responded the way they always do to news that seems positive. Gold is down and the U.S. Dollar and American stocks have staged minor relief rallies. But as the harsh realities of these "bailouts" become clear, in the form of hundreds of billions of new government debt likely to be monetized, the good feelings will vanish and the panic selling will begin.
Soon investors will realize that the government has just thrown gasoline on the wild fire it set in the first place. The economy will be torched and what is left of our free market economy burned to a cinder.
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The LEAP/E2020 team has decided to launch an alert on the July-December 2008 period.
Indeed, our team is now convinced that this period will consist for the whole world in a major plunge into the heart of the phase of impact of the global systemic crisis.
The upcoming six months are in fact the core of the unfolding crisis. The troubles met in the past six months were mere harbingers.
http://www.leap2020.eu/GEAB-N-26-is-available!-LEAP-E2020-Summer-2008-Alert-July-December-2008-The-world-plunges-into-the-heart-of-the-global_a1800.html
China, Russia Intervene In Equity Markets.
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1473&category=Environment
'We’re going into the worst depression that any living person has ever seen. It’s going to be worse than the Great Depression of 1929 and I’ll give you a some reasons why.'
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1473&category=Environment

What Causes Economic Depression ?
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[oiram]

Who or What Is the Beast of Revelation? BY DAVID C. PACKhttp://www.thercg.org/books/wowitbor.html
Christ’s Grave Warning
Stark Reality

What Are the Plagues?
Revelation 13 and Two Beasts (http://www.thercg.org/books/wowitbor.html)http://www.thercg.org/images/lit/wowitbor-beast_small.jpg
In Revelation 13, the apostle John
describes a beast with seven heads,
ten horns and ten crowns.
How Bible Symbols Are Understood

Beginning to Understand

Christ and Saints Replace Fourth Beast

What Are the Four Kingdoms? (http://www.thercg.org/books/wowitbor.html)http://www.thercg.org/images/lit/wowitbor-man_small.jpg
In Daniel 2, the “great image” symbolizes four world-ruling governments.
Head of fine gold: The Chaldean (Babylonian) Empire. Breast & arms of silver:
The Medo-Persian Empire. Belly and thighs of brass: The Greco-Macedonian Empire.
Legs of iron; feet partly iron, partly clay: The Roman Empire.
The Four Metals Explained

The Fourth Beast Explained

What is the “Deadly Wound”?

The Wound Healed

The Little Horn and the Saints

The Revelation 13 “Two-horned Beast”

The Bible Explains It

The Revelation 17 Beast & Woman Riding It (http://www.thercg.org/books/wowitbor.html)http://www.thercg.org/images/lit/wowitbor-redbeast_small.jpg (http://www.thercg.org/books/wowitbor.html)
In Revelation 17, a woman “arrayed in
purple and scarlet” rides a seven-headed,
ten-horned beast.Important Clarification
Important Clarification

Identifying the Beast’s Number—666
http://www.thercg.org/images/lit/wowitbor-chart2_small.jpg
Revelation 13:17-18

Counting Names

Mass Worldwide Deception

The Beast's Image Revealed

God Must Explain the Mark

The Beast's Mark (http://www.thercg.org/books/wowitbor.html)Martyrdoms; Past and Future! (http://www.thercg.org/books/wowitbor.htm)Let’s return to the subject of the true Christian’s initial reward. It involves rulership, lasting 1,000 years. But the test has been the same for those of previous ages. Those who hold fast their convictions, in the face of impending martyrdom, when this test comes again, will be victorious even in death—but they will truly be “gold tried in the fire” (Rev. 3:18).
Elect Must Remain Fervent, Vigilant

Satan's Wrath on Modern Israelite Descendants

The Mark—Past and Future!

True Christians “Marked” by Obedience

Disobedience is the Mark

What is God’s Sign? (http://www.thercg.org/books/wowitbor.html) In Genesis 2, immediately after God had made man, He finished the week with one final creation: “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made” (vs. 1-3).
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[oiram]

A financial new world order?
Bush says reforms must improve, not fetter, the free market; Europeans hint at more robust intervention.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1020/csmimg/ACAMPDAVID_P1.jpgWASHINGTON - When President Bush hosts a world financial summit in the coming weeks, one of the least multilateral American presidents in decades will set in motion what could result in a full reordering of the global financial system.

The series of summits that Mr. Bush announced over the weekend at Camp David with European leaders at his side suggests a broad understanding among them: that the current crisis requires the kind of global regulatory reforms that have eluded major powers in the past.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1020/p01s01-usec.html
European Union President Nicholar Sarkozy and European Commission President J. M. Barroso are to travel to Washington to press for a sweeping overhaul of the Global financial system to include a blueprint for a Worldwide Currency System at a crunch meeting with George Bush at the weekend.

Worldwide Currency System to be Presented to U.S.A. by EU Leaders
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

casper 10-19-08
The "Closed Session" of the Supreme Court did not end Thursday as we previously reported. It continued Thursday and Friday and ended Saturday.

Recall that the World Court, in response to further blockage by BUSH Wednesday, filed papers against the United States Wednesday night or Thursday morning ordering deliveries by 6p.m. Friday and containing "attachments" of unknown content. Bush had claimed in the Wld. CT. our funding is terrorist money and we are all terrorist. The Court responded he was/is full of pookie, the funds come with CCC Documentation (clean, clear and non-criminal) and that it is the Court which provided same.

The "action" then shifted to the Supreme Court run, as you know, by BUSH's puppet John Roberts where an array of SENATORS and BUSH allies argued against deliveries and the World Court orders. Remember our reporting a year ago that several of the "Justices" had been to the "sex ranch" on Military land outside D.C. where children were hunted down and raped in the woods. The SUPREMES we hear, in their TREASONOUS wisdom gave BUSH and the SENATORS some kind of ruling against the World Court rulings causing one SENATOR to remark, we hear, "We control the world economically and militarily and you people and the rest of the world better get used to it".

Be sure to read the posting on FOURWINDS today by Heneghan regarding a split this weekend between BUSH and SARKOSY which WE are also hearing about with FRANCE and likely the European Union (Sarkosy is President) and European Commission (BAROSO was also present) telling little Hitler they will not go along with his TREASON against the American people. Couple this with the STORY reference to the "G-7 approved refunding plan" and to this add the reports that BUSH and BERLESCONI "had words" during his visit last week then add the World Court filings against the U.S. and throw in some rumors of pending Economic Sanctions against the U.S. and any other country aiding BUSH'S blockage of deliveries and suddenly we have the makings of a worldwide revolt against BUSH and a major showdown well underway.
http://fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/nesara/news/news.php?q=1224465699

[oiram]

Deficit Rises, and the Consensus Is to Let It GrowThe bank bailout, in the latest big outlay, could cost $250 billion in just the next few weeks, and a newly proposed stimulus package would have $150 billion or more flowing from Washington before the next president takes office in January.

Adding to the damage is that tax revenues fall as the economy weakens; this is likely just as the government needs hundreds of billions of dollars to repair the financial system. The nation’s wars are growing more costly, as fighting spreads in Afghanistan. And a declining economy swells outlays for unemployment insurance, food stamps and other federal aid.

But the extra spending, a sore point in normal times, has been widely accepted on both sides of the political aisle as necessary to salvage the banking system and avert another Great Depression.

“Right now would not be the time to balance the budget,” said Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a bipartisan Washington group that normally pushes the opposite message.

Confronted with a hugely expensive economic crisis, Democratic and Republican lawmakers alike have elected to pay the bill mainly by borrowing money rather than cutting spending or raising taxes. But while the borrowing is relatively inexpensive for the government in a weak economy, the cost will become a bigger burden as growth returns and interest rates rise.

In addition, outlays for Medicare and Social Security are expected to balloon as the first baby boomers reach full retirement age in the next three years.

“The next president will inherit a fiscal and economic mess of historic proportions,” said Senator Kent Conrad, Democrat of North Dakota and chairman of the Senate Budget Committee. “It will take years to dig our way out.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/20/business/economy/20cost.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Will the United States go bankrupt?
Poll here: http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=37372

[raptorialis]

fucking information overload oiram.

You should get a job with Wired Magazine.

Unbelievable.

[oiram]

Weiss Research’s Emergency Q&A - Transcript
by Martin D. Weiss, Ph.D. 10-20-08http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/Bailout.jpgPaulson and Bernanke’s massive bailout for the banking industry is causing so many unintended side effects it must be making their heads spin.

Yes, banks have gotten some interest-rate relief and don’t have to pay through the nose for short-term funds like they did a few days ago.

But to fund the bailout, the government will have to borrow massive sums, and the mere expectation of that huge avalanche of borrowing is already driving long-term interest rates higher:
The U.S. Treasury is now being forced to pay the highest rates since July …
U.S. cities and states all across the U.S. are suddenly getting slammed with surging borrowing costs, and …

The housing market, where this whole crisis began, is taking the biggest hit of all: The sharpest one-week surge in mortgage rates since April 1987!

These higher interest rates will torpedo an already-sinking real estate market, send the economy into an even steeper tailspin, force more consumers and businesses to default on their loans and, ultimately, burn an even deeper hole in bank balance sheets.

The government’s bailout funds will be exhausted much sooner than anyone dreamed possible and we’ll have a banking panic that makes the recent experience seem mild by comparison.

For you, this is no time for complacency. At best, the bailout is giving you a brief interlude before the next major round of debt blow-ups — a short time window to get your own financial house in order.

Where can you find refuge?

Unfortunately, when credit collapses and interest rates surge, virtually all investments can get slammed — not just real estate and stocks, but also bonds, commodities and even precious metals.

You’ve already seen how oil and silver markets have suffered severe setbacks. And as Larry Edelson has written, in a deflationary environment like this, even gold is vulnerable to panic selling, driving its price sharply lower.

This is why you should seriously consider reducing your risk and hedging your bets. Or if you use a money manager, make sure he has specific strategies for handling bear markets.

This is also why Mike Larson and I have dedicated an emergency webcast to answering your urgent questions. The entire, commercial-free, 1-hour video is still available by clicking here. Or read the first half of the transcript below …
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[oiram]

Pension destroyed warning Economic Collapse

http://www.indianacp.org/images/MusicAgainstTank.png (http://www.indianacp.org/current_statement.html)
Social security is one focus of the Bush administration attack on human
services. Under the false guise of a looming catastrophy that demands
immediate action, Bush is proposing to destroy a system that has helped
millions of working people live the older period of their lives in dignity. In
reality, the problem with the social security system is that the government
has been borrowing from the fund for decades, the notes are coming due,
and the Bush administration doesn't want to pay. While Bush is scaring
folks around the country about Social Security's end decades away,
pension funds are failing today in record numbers, and no one in the
administration seems concerned.
http://www.indianacp.org/current_statement.html
Pension poverty warning UK
A former pensions adviser to the Government has warned that 80% of people may not have enough money to live on in their retirement.
Independent consultant Ros Altmann said the UK is in the grip of a pensions crisis and criticised the Government for presiding over a system in which employee savings have been destroyed.

Her comments were made as part of an ITV1 programme, Where's My Pension Gone?, to be screened at 9pm on Thursday. In it, pension experts assess the state of the company pensions system in the UK and examine the effect that collapsed schemes have had on victims.

As part of the programme Dr Altmann warns that people should be aware that there is a pensions crisis. She says: 'I would say about 80% of the country needs to be seriously worried that when they come to retire, they will simply not have enough money to live on at anything like a decent level.

'If there is one person in Government who is responsible for this pensions scandal, it has to be the Chancellor. Gordon Brown has been presiding over our pensions system at the Treasury since 1997.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/retirement/article.html?in_article_id=416686&in_page_id=6Economic Collapse and the Apocalypse
The coming financial collapse will lead to apostasy, a total loss of faith. When people lose their pensions, their savings and their jobs, they will also lose their entire belief system. In this materialistic world, when governments fail and currencies are destroyed, people will TRUST NO ONE.
http://www.gold-eagle.com/asian_corner_98/kutyn030398.html BROWN’S TAX GRAB ON PENSIONS ROBS US OF £20,000 EACH
UK Express, UK
Sarah O’Grady Social Affairs Correspondent
Workers will lose more than £500billion after his decision to scrap tax relief on dividends paid into pension funds back in 1997.
http://www.seniorsnetwork.co.uk/newsbytes/brownkilledpensions.htm Hain's SpAds caught using public funds for partisan campaigning
At 10.21am on Tuesday 15th January a Special Adviser in the DWP used their departmental email address to issue a press release entitled "TORIES AIM TO DESTROY FINAL SALARY PENSION SCHEMES", a diatribe accusing the Opposition of setting out to "destroy the best pension schemes in Britain" and telling the electorate:
http://tpa.typepad.com/campaign/2008/01/hains-spads-cau.html Private Company Defined Benefit Pension plans ending in US as companies react to U.S. Government
Planned employee benefit cut backs mean there will be only about a 1% per year growth in the $2.3 trillion assets current backing defined benefit pension benefits. It appears the U.S. companies have decided that there is no longer a viable threat of unionization or even union reaction as the U.S. government will not pass any laws in the future that will increase union power or ability to organize, despite trade treaties that sometimes say the U.S. will abide by the UN's ILO international union standards. Up to 75% of all defined benefit pension plans will be in a frozen benefit or terminated state by 2012, with this projection based on conversations with those companies as to their plans and what they are assuming in their projected budgets used for planning.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x283260 American Pension Funds Have Lost $2 Trillion
WASHINGTON (AP) - The top congressional budget analyst says pension plans have lost as much as $2 trillion in the past 15 months.
Peter Orszag told a House panel on Tuesday that the losses are likely to force many workers to hold off on major purchases and delay their retirements.
The panel was investigating how the housing, credit and financial troubles battering the economy have affected retirement savings.
More than half the people surveyed in a recent Associated Press-GfK poll said they worry that they will have to work longer because the value of their retirement savings has declined.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/american_pension_funds_have_lost_2_trillion/ U.S. Economy Crumbling
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The U.S. economy is crumbling at an alarming rate. Retail sales, which account for over two-thirds of economic activity in a thriving economy and a prime measure of prosperity, are plunging as consumers lose their jobs en masse. There can be no economy in the absence of retail sales. Consumer confidence and spending are dampened as unemployment spurts. The unemployment crisis has only begun.
Here is why ...
In January the government estimated that 5.7% of Americans were jobless. Out of a workforce of 140 million this calculates out to over 8 million unemployed. Jobless numbers are derived from out of work Americans who are collecting unemployment benefits. When unemployment benefits expire, jobless Americans who are no longer receiving unemployment compensation are dropped from unemployment statistics. Consequently over 5 million jobless are no longer counted as unemployed, boosting the actual jobless rate to over 10%.
February unemployment leaped an additional 308,000 according to government statistics, which habitually under report true unemployment. As bad as this sounds add 25% to it to approach the actual number of Americans - about 385 thousand - thrown out of work in February alone.

Elderly Americans, many of whom had been comfortably retired for 10 years or more, have been attempting to re-enter the job market. The Labor Department reports over one million former retirees are actually looking for work in an economy where employers are cutting back, suspending operations or shutting down and going out of business. No body is hiring, and there are massive layoffs everywhere. The problem of unemployment of the elderly is certain to grow worse.
Here is why ...
The growing dilemma of under funded private pension plans threatens to destroy pension benefits of millions of retirees and future retirees. According to the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) private pensions are over $300 billion under funded. For the first time ever the PBGC is running a huge deficit and does not have reserves to meet current obligations, putting 32,000 private pension funds and 45 million current and future retirees at risk. The massacre on Wall Street which destroyed wealth in the magnitude of $10.5 trillion - $4.5 trillion on the NYSE and $6 trillion on the NASDAQ from the top of the market to bottom - wiped out the balance sheets and substantial cash reserves of private pension funds, which invest in the stocks of publicly traded companies. So massive was the wipe out that a bailout is impossible.
http://www.sovereigncause.org/news4l.html Report to slam Government pension scheme
Millions of workers would be better off opting out of Personal Accounts, the Government’s new pension savings scheme, a report to be published on Monday will conclude.

The report by Ned Cazalet, the independent life assurance analyst, will say that many individuals would gain nothing by investing in the scheme, which is scheduled to start in 2012.

The National Pensioners Convention (NPC), the UK’s leading pensioner organisation, has seen the report and backs Mr Cazalet’s findings. Dot Gibson, NPC vice-president, said: “Mr Cazalet has blown the lid off what is another pensions scandal waiting to happen. The Government thinks it can get millions of low-paid workers to risk their savings on some kind of pension lottery, in which many will lose out. Rather than adopt this casino approach to retirement, we should be strengthening the state pension system to give everyone a guaranteed income that will take them out of poverty.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/pensions/article4317936.ece Workers sue government over collapse of pension schemes
· Rejection of compensation order 'irrational'
· Test case success could lead to £3.7bn payout
Four workers, plunged into financial crisis by the collapse of their occupational pension schemes, yesterday accused the government in the high court in London of "unlawfully and irrationally" rejecting an ombudsman's report that backed their case and instructed ministers to pay compensation.

In a test case which could lead to payouts of £3.7bn to hundreds of pensioners if successful, the four argued that ministers were legally bound to accept that their pensions should be made up out of public funds.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2007/feb/08/occupationalpensions.politics Government U-turn signals millions of low and middle income earners could loose out in 2012
Hopes of preventing damage to UK workplace pensions following the introduction of the Government's latest savings initiative in 2012 have suffered a major setback.

In what effectively amounted to a policy u-turn, civil servants have abandoned discussions with a cross-industry group aimed at developing an acceptable quality test for existing pension schemes.

It is feared the Government's decision to abruptly end talks could have a detrimental impact on existing savings provision, potentially leaving low to middle income earners worse off in retirement.

John Lawson, Head of Pensions Policy at Standard Life said: "Millions of low earners are set to lose out as a result of the Government's failure to listen to concerns on this issue.

The Government has repeatedly claimed that it wants Personal Accounts to complement rather than compete with existing pension provision, but this appears to be nothing more than empty rhetoric.
http://www.insidemoneytalk.com/news/sta/sta275.html Great pensions disaster,
The Britain's private sector pension provisions used to be something we were proud of, the envy of less fortunate nations.

Our public sector pensions, on the other hand, have never been backed with full cash contributions. Pensions provided for government servants are paid month by month by the Treasury as though they were Civil Service salaries, with no funds set aside for future liability. Even though the capital value of this 'debt' (which is just as real as borrowing) is absolutely gigantic, it is disregarded by the Treasury when it presents our national balance sheet.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3724/is_/ai_n17186721 Pension Tax Warning for Those Retiring to Australia
Australia is regularly one of the top ten destinations for Brits planning on moving abroad to live and work and even retire. The quality of life, cost of living, favourable climate and lack of a language barrier make the nation an evergreen one in terms of its popularity with expat Britons. In the past, visa restrictions are all that have stood in the way of many Brits relocating down under, but now a potential 55% pension tax could destroy the dreams of retired British expats hoping to move to Australia.

This is a pension tax warning for those retiring to Australia, and we are issuing it now so that you have as much time as possible to plan ahead and prepare your finances to protect yourself and your very hard-earned retirement income from the Australian taxman.
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BBC news last night reported that most top companies in the UK are not paying corporation tax. It was literally a 30 second piece slipped in in the middle of BBC news programme.

[oiram]

BBC news last night reported that most top companies in the UK are not paying corporation tax. It was literally a 30 second piece slipped in in the middle of BBC news programme.The monopoly of the rich & corrupt!
I think there will be bad News on a daily; from now onward!

[oiram]

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More Monkey Business I'm sure!
House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php

Under Ghilarducci’s plan, all workers would receive a $600 annual inflation-adjusted subsidy from the U.S. government but would be required to invest 5 percent of their pay into a guaranteed http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/lmao.gifretirement account administered by the Social Security Administration.
The money in turn would be invested in special government bonds that would pay 3 percent a year, adjusted for inflation.Bye Bye 5%!
So what you have now iwas never guaranteed? How come what did they do with the money now!
Ones a liar always a liar!
Ones a Thief always a Thief!

Anyone still trust the corrupt Government Monkey's? I don't ever!
No one in jail Yet! Why?

[oiram]

Majestytwelve "since 1997"
by William Cooper
http://www.facts-about.org.uk/images/mauvescience.jpg (http://www.facts-about.org.uk/science-moon-landing-conspiracy-hoax-theory.htm)http://www.hourofthetime.com/images/bellpyramid17.jpg (http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm)http://images.cafepress.com/image/19084557_125x125.jpgveritas news service - the following is fact. It is not a theory it is a genuine conspiracy. I witnessed the top secret/majic documents from which this information is excerpted while a member of the united states navy attached to the intelligence briefing team of admiral bernard clarey, commander in chief of the united states pacific fleet.

I certify that the following information is true and correct to the best of my memory and the research that i have accomplished. I will swear to it in any court of law.

I can produce the names of approximately 38 u.s. Navy officers and enlisted men who witnessed these documents while in the service of their country. I can produce the names of approximately 8 people involved in the ufo deception who have witnessed these documents. I can produce the names of approximately 80 others whom i suspect have witnessed these same documents. I will not reveal the names except in a court of law that is willing to prosecute the people and organizations involved in the conspiracy to overthrow the government of the united states of america to bring about a socialist totalitarian world government.

For many years i sincerely believed that an extraterrestrial threat existed and that it was the most important driving force behind world events. I was wrong and for that i most deeply and humbly apologize.

Many years ago i had access to a set of documents that i eventually realized was the plan for the destruction of the united states of america and the formation of a socialist totalitarian world government. The plan was contained within a set of top secret documents with the title "majestytwelve". There was no space between majesty and twelve. The term honored the planned placement of ultimate power in a body of wise men who are destined to rule the world as the disciples of a messiah front man. This messiah will serve as a buffer between the wise men and the sheople. I discovered these documents between 1970 and 1973 while i was a member of the intelligence briefing team of the commander in chief of the united states pacific fleet.

Majestytwelve was in a tall thin font style... Imagine the title squeezed together between the m and e with all of the letters stretched vertically. The key to access was a top secret (q) (sci) security clearance with the compartmentalization of "majic" (not magic). I cannot remember the exact font except that it is a tall thin version of san serif... The exact name escapes me after all these years... But it is a key to access.

The plan outlined the formation of a world totalitarian socialist government. It is to be ruled by a behind-the-scenes council of wise men. A so-called benevolent dictator, will be presented as the messiah.

The constitution for the united states of america and its bill of rights will be scrapped. A parliamentary form of government will take its place. All military forces and individuals are to be disarmed except for an internal police force which will carry only the minimum weapons needed to maintain internal order.

"when we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical constitution with a radical bill of rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to americans... And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement i made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities." president bill clinton, 3-22-94, mtv

"we can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary americans ..." bill clinton (usa today, 11 march 1993, page 2a)

the only military force will be a world police force under the united nations in sufficient numbers with state-of-the-art technology so that it can field overwhelming force against any perceived threat to the world supra government - see state department publication 7277. The military of the united states of america is currently filling the requirement. The senior officer corps of all of our military forces have betrayed their oaths of allegiance to the constitution and have joined the conspiracy. They are turncoats who are actively engaged in high treason.

The source of this conspiracy will be found in the body known as the illuminati. It is made up of the highest adepts of the combined total of the so-called fraternal orders and secret societies. They are bound together by blood oaths, a secret religion, and the promise of an elite status within regional government, or the world supra government. Their religion is based upon the kabbalah, the luciferian philosophy, and the worship of the sun. They are not bound by any oath or allegiance save their own. They are loyal to no government or people save their own. And they are citizens of no country save their already in place secret world government. In their own words, "if you are not one of us you are nothing." to garner some sense of "feel" for the concept see the movie they live.

"it is a largely 'open' conspiracy, in that much of its membership, structure, methods, and operations, are matters of public record, however scattered and obscure. Its manner of coordination is atypical. Two nuclei - the elite core of the wall street clique (orbiting the house of rockefeller) and the elite core of the european financial clique (orbiting the house of rothschild) - coordinate this global conspiracy by waging psychological warfare on the rest of the conspirators, telling each no more than is necessary for him to fulfill his designated role, often with explicit recognition neither of his role, nor of the unarticulated rules that govern him. Thus, the overwhelming bulk of the conspirators do not know, but only suspect, that they are part of and in service to 'a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it' (quoting woodrow wilson)." - daniel pouzzner

you cannot hope to understand the philosophy (illuminism) of any branch of the "mystery school" (illuminati) without many years of study and a complete knowledge of their "symbolic" language. You must understand that like many other organizations they attract those who completely miss the boat... Or are just too stupid to "get it". When an individual joins a branch of the "brotherhood," by any name, freemasonry, theosophical society, anthroposophic society, fraternitis rosae crucae, knights templar, sovereign and military order of the knights of malta, or any other fraternal order or secret society, no one ever sits down with them and explains the meaning of anything. An actual literal esoteric education would be too dangerous. It could result in a public expose'... Something which the illuminati must avoid at all cost. But to give those who might understand a shortcut... Illuminism is communism.

The organization of the "order" is a pyramidal structure of "degrees". On the bottom are the so-called "blue" lodges full of ignorant, materialistic, and opportunistic fools. Promising candidates are chosen to be guided up the ladder of initiation with the help of those who have gone before. The initiate is presented with the objects of study, books, symbols, ritual, and camaraderie... But illumination must come from within. Each degree of initiation provides a new key to ultimate enlightenment, but only for those who can truly understand the ritual and symbols of the degree. Where understanding or the ability to keep the secrets stops... The progress of the candidate stops. Only those above the 29th degree have the ability to understand the ultimate secrets and goals of the "order".

The ultimate "secret" is the method of controlling large numbers of fools with the promise of a "secret" which they are led to believe will make them one of the "elect". The goal is the elimination of all religion save theirs, the elimination of all nation states, and complete control and ownership of everything, and everyone, everywhere, every moment of every day, forever.

A select few are hand picked for progress beyond the 13th degree (york rite) or 32nd degree (scottish rite). Those chosen disappear behind the veil and become one of the "thousand points of light," but they are more properly known as the "magi". There are vertical and horizontal paths of initiation and many interconnecting degrees at the higher levels between the different orders and secret societies. A 32 degree freemason could, for example, actually possess over 100 different degreesThe plan to create an artificial extraterrestrial threat to the Earth was first mentioned by the Marxist, John Dewey.
"Some one remarked that the best way to unite all the nations on this globe would be an attack from some other planet. In the face of such an alien enemy, people would respond with a sense of their unity of interest and purpose." John Dewey, New York 1917.

The premise was tested for credibility with the CBS presentation of War Of The Worlds on the CBS Radio Network by Orson Welles and the Mercury Theatre. At 8:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, on the evening of October 30, 1938, the night before All Saints Day, now generally celebrated as Halloween, an estimated six million Americans listened to the famous Orson Welles broadcast, War Of The Worlds. The broadcast described an extraterrestrial invasion from Mars. An estimated one million sheople responded with sustained credulity and fear. Thousands responded with sheer panic.

The broadcast was a psychological warfare experiment conducted by The Princeton Radio Project. The Rockefeller Foundation funded the project in the fall of 1937. An Office of Radio Research was set up with Paul F. Lazarsfeld as director. Frank Stanton and Hadley Cantril were named associate directors. Cantril used a special grant from the General Education Board to study the effects of the broadcast. Cantril published the study as a book titled The Invasion From Mars - A Study In The Psychology Of Panic. It contains a complete script of the broadcast. The book is one of a series of studies sponsored by the Federal Radio Education Committee.
Much Much more Here ....... http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm A prime illustration of the symbology of the Mystery Schools is the following Art Bell logo.

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[oiram]

What are they cooking up again?
Who should we really worry about Terrorists or our trustworthy Governments??????
At least I know who not to trust that's clear!
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http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies10.01.08 - Trudeau Institute and U.S. Navy receive order to continue Pandemic Influenza vaccine development projectSaranac Lake, N.Y., – Dr. David L. Woodland, president and director of the Trudeau Institute, announced today that President Bush has signed into law the Consolidated Security, Disaster Assistance, and Continuing Appropriations Act, 2009 (H.R. 2638), which includes $1.6 million in additional research funding to support a joint program between scientists at the Trudeau Institute and the U.S. Navy to develop a pandemic influenza vaccine. H.R. 2638 includes the Defense Appropriations Bill for Fiscal Year 2009.

United States Congressman, John M. McHugh, helped to secure funding for this important project. President Bush signed the full bill into law on September 30.

So What Were Top Military Commanders From The US and Europe Doing at the Trudeau Institute?
Last Weekend the top military brass from the US and Europe met together in Saranac Lake NY.
So? You may well ask

Interesting article I thought, but my ears really perked up when i was contacted by a member of the David Icke Forum, Lovelitious, who provided the following information.

'Well, on the 1st October 2008 Bush signed into being the Consolidated Security, Disaster Assistance, and Continuing Appropriations Act, 2009 (H.R. 2638), which includes $1.6 million in additional research funding to support a joint program between scientists at the Trudeau Institute and the U.S. Navy to develop a pandemic influenza vaccine.'

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The Trudeau is also located at Saranac Lake NY

The Director of the Trudeau Institute is Ralph Steinman

Ralph M. Steinman is Henry G. Kunkel Professor at The Rockefeller University and a senior physician at The Rockefeller University Hospital, is a cell biologist whose research focuses on the immune system including the human immune system in the setting of several diseases.

On October 1st, the same day that Bush activated the 1st Brigade domestically, the Office of the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services released a disturbing "Declaration Under the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act":

Department of Health and Human Services Office of the Secretary

Declaration under the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness ActOctober 1, 2008

AGENCY: Office of the Secretary (OS), Department of Health and Human Services

ACTION: Notice.

SUMMARY: Declaration pursuant to section 319F-3 of the Public HealthService Act (42 U.S.C. 247d-6d) to provide targeted liabilityprotections for anthrax countermeasures based on a credible risk thatthe threat of exposure to Bacillus anthracis and the resulting disease constitutes a public health emergency.
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The threat of a bioterrorist attack has been long in the minds of both the European and US leaders and has formed the basis for many a Joint exercise beetween the US and Europe.2002 Bioterrorism exercise in Oklahoma city

NOTE the names SAM NUNN and JAMES R WOOLSEY for future reference

Named ' DARK WINTER'BIO-TERRORISM - COMING SOON TO AMERICA?

It was just a drill, but play-acting of a germ warfare attack this summer showed how many ways the nation (the USA) is not ready.

The enactment went as follows:Patients with a mysterious illness began appearing at Oklahoma City hospitals in early December of 2002, with fever, weakness, malaise, and an aggressive rash which in two or three days developed pus. Except for the other symptoms they could have been severe cases of acne.Soon the small number of initial patients grew to 20; others sprouted across the state as well as in Georgia and Pennsylvania. Most living practicing physicians have never treated a clinical case of this mysterious disease, which fit no current pattern of development, defying differential diagnosis. Days later the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention made the diagnosis: smallpox.It is a disease not seen in the United States since 1949…and not in the world since 1980. It is an extinct malady. Its only vestiges are two small cultures held in labs in the United States and Russia. This is certainly an intentional, engineered outbreak of the disease…bioterrorism!
By the end of the month there were projected to be 30,000 cases nationwide.In the weeks before the outbreak, tensions were rising between China and Taiwan. An outbreak of foot and mouth disease on Taiwan was devastating the swine industry; some blamed China. Iraq had begun moving troops toward the Kuwaiti border, claiming its action to be routine exercises.
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HHS PREP Act Declaration BILLING CODE: 4150-37
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
Office of the Secretary
Declaration under the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act

October 1, 2008
AGENCY: Office of the Secretary (OS), Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).
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Maybe has something to do with the warning or should I say a slip of the tongue by Colin Powell about 21th Jan. 2009 ?

What are they cooking up again?

Anything in this interview video; any warning signs you can see or hear?
More Colin Powell on Meet the Press 10/19/2008
More Colin Powell on Meet the Press 10/19/2008 - YouTube

Here is the CQ Transcript: Colin Powell on NBC’s “Meet the Press” http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002976656
POWELL: I would start with talking to the American people and talking to the world, and conveying a new image of American leadership, a new image of America’s role in the world.

The problems will always be there, and there’s going to be a crisis come along in the 21st or 22nd of January that we don’t even know about right now.

And so I think what the president has to do is to start using the power of the Oval Office and the power of his personality to convince the American people and to convince the world that America is solid, America is going to move forward, and we’re going to fix our economic problems, we’re going to meet our overseas obligations.

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The video games industry is one of the tentacles of the beast. Those who run the publishing companies are at one with the beast. The mesmeric products that they produce are designed to psychological entrench. There were people there who would watch the children playing, testing their games on camera.

That's how they are. Now they are turning to build robots.

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Self realization is the key to any change in the world, without realizing what you are you will probably only make things worse and give yourself and everyone else a headache in the meantime:)

[oiram]

STRANGE DAYS STRANGE SKIES YOU ARE NOW BREATHING ETHYLENE DIBROMIDE, NANO-PARTICULATES OF ALUMINUM AND BARIUM AND CATIONIC POLYMER FIBERS WITH UNIDENTIFIED BIOACTIVE MATERIAL: "We the people have not been warned, advised or consulted but are certainly vulnerable to the outcomes." Lightwatcher.com "Biologic components have been reported in airborne samples that include: modified molds, desiccated red blood cells and exotic strains of bacteria" Additionally, award winning investigative reporter, Will Thomas, has reported findings of over 300 types of virally mutated fungi in the chemtrail fall out. The Idaho Observer has reported findings of 26 metals including barium, aluminum and uranium, a variety of infectious pathogens and chemicals and drugs including sedatives in chemtrail fallout. Dr.R. Michael Castle reports the finding of cationic polymer fibers. Others have reported findings of tiny parasitic nematode eggs of some type encased in the fibers. Welcome to the brave new world of toxic barium skies, weather control, mind control and population control through the use of chemtrails modulated with electromagnetic frequencies generated by HAARP. Our health is under attack as evidenced by the skyrocketing rates of chemtrail induced lung cancer, asthma and pulmonary/respiratory problems as well as the emergence of a new plague, Morgellons Disease, an infection with a new and unknown pathogen that is seriously disabling and disfiguring. Over 12,000 families in the U.S. are now infected with Morgellons. I am one of the infected. Our skies are increasingly hazed over with fake barium/ aluminum particulate, ethylene dibromide chemtrail clouds. Whether in the atmosphere or in the Ocean this added particulate matter is a hazard to the health of every living thing on this planet. My health and the health of my family has already been drastically affected. There is a main-stream media blackout on this subject so the only way to get the word out is by word of mouth. People are already dying because of the chemtrails. Life expectancy is down. This situation presents an immediate and serious threat to you, your family and loved ones. We must join together to stop this insane program of chemtrail spraying now. Please do what you can to help.
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[oiram]

Yes everybody are just Nutters but nothing wrong with our respectful & caring Governments!
All is Porky pai & absolutely nothing wrong at all!
All just coincidental believe it.
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Let there be Enlightenment! Then we surely all Awake!
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[oiram]

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Rixon Stewart – October 23, 2008
Wall st, the earthly centre of the market meltdown

It’s an old story that has been repeated so many times, yet the greater part of humanity still hasn’t learned. But the lesson is a simple one and until we learn it we will carry on repeating the same old mistakes.

For the Illuminati have a history of creating problems, or allowing them to develop to the stage where people demand, “something must be done”! At which point the Illuminati then step forward with an answer. A solution that formerly might have been unacceptable had it not been needed to fix a problem requiring urgent remedy.

It’s the old Problem-reaction-solution ruse that has been used throughout history.

It was used as far back as ancient Rome, when Crassus used a slave’s revolt to do away with the old republic and its attendant freedoms.

Through the threat of rebellious slaves marching on Rome, Crassus tricked the Romans into trading their republic for imperial rule and that’s where a good idea went wrong.

For although Crassus never became emperor, in time some emperors became tyrants, as opposed to individuals who were temporarily appointed with dictatorial powers to deal with a crisis: as was originally intended.

Nonetheless nearly two thousand years later, President Roosevelt played a similar trick when he lured the Japanese into attacking the U.S. fleet at Pearl Harbour. As Michael Rivero and James Perloff have pointed out, U.S. naval intelligence was fully aware that the Japanese navy were steaming toward Pearl Harbour but failed to inform the U.S. fleet anchored there.

On November 29th the then U.S. Secretary of State Hull even showed a United Press reporter an intercepted message with the time and place of the attack – that’s more than a week before the Japanese actually struck on Sunday December 7, 1941!

Once the Japanese had attacked however, President Roosevelt had the pretext he needed to enter WWII with the Allies.

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The Influences of Lucifer & Ahriman, GA# 191 by Rudolf Steiner
Five Lectures given in Bern and Dornach 1919
Published by Anthroposophic Press in 1993

In Christian theology the forces of Christ are set against the forces of the devil who represents in one figure all that is evil, and one is exhorted to abjure all that is of the devil. This might lead one to wonder, "How is the knowledge of good and evil bad? Isn't that what the devil in the Garden of Eden wanted to share with Adam and Eve?"

Steiner divides the devil into two beings, Lucifer and Ahriman, and shows us how neither is bad per se, each provides gifts to human beings that further our evolution, and that it is us who must learn to balance these gifts in our individual lives. His recommendation for a solution to the problem of the devil is to transcend the tendency towards either Luciferic frenzy or Ahrimanic tedium by creating a spirit-filled synthesis of the two in our lives from now on.

[oiram]

Elections USA: Do They Matter?
War Is CrimeLinda Averil
October 24, 2008
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Legions of people opt out of voting in the U.S. But they are not civic slackers. They’re on to something. Whether disinterested or disgusted, they are casting a vote of no confidence in the electoral system. And it is entirely justified.
The real point of elections is to get enough people voting to legitimize the authority of politicians. Then, they can drag us into wars, bail out bankers in the middle of an economic meltdown, and “earmark” tax dollars to their biggest donors. It happens at every level of government, from City Hall to the White House.
Just as riot is the language of the unheard, abstention has become the vote of the unrepresented. In a debate on voter apathy, blogger Bud Wood put it this way: “It just doesn’t make much difference who or what gets into office. The results are more of the same.”
Whose democracy?There are 100 million nonvoters in the U.S., and they are overwhelmingly people who are economically disenfranchised. They are poor, young, disabled, unemployed and foreign-born, especially Asian and Latino.
But your vote isn’t worthless. Send a message — use it to protest your false choices and demand real ones!
Then follow the advice of union organizer Mother Jones. More than a century ago, she declared, “I have never had a vote, and I have raised hell all over this country.
You don’t need a vote to raise hell! You need convictions and a voice!”
http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/10/24/news/elections-usa-do-they-matter/ Please Keep This In Mind!!!

Money
The Ultimate AddictionJim Kirwan
10-15-8
The New World Order, in the uniform of The Fascist North American Union, will not resemble that "USA" that so many still believe exists! Once the 'selections' are over the real changes will begin because there will technically no longer be any reason at all to fear this public: A public that has proven itself over and over and over again to be more than compliant-with whatever these overpaid traitors have directed them "to do!" As an example, the only reference to the public, given in any of the government's explanations for this crisis has never included the word citizen. "We" are always referred to as "consumers," because under the constitution consumers have no standing at all, whereas "citizens" have rights.
http://www.rense.com/general83/money.htm If voting really made a difference it would be illegal...
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[oiram]

Within the Architecture of Denial and Duplicity:
The Democratic Party and the Infantile Omnipotence of The Ruling Class.
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Why did the Democratic Congress betray the voting public? Betrayal is often a consequence of wishful thinking. It's the world's way of delivering the life lesson that it's time to shed the vanity of one's innocence and grow-the-hell-up. Apropos, here's lesson number one for political innocents: Power serves the perpetuation of power. In an era of runaway corporate capitalism, the political elite exist to serve thecorporate elite. It's that simple.

Why do the elites lie so brazenly? Ironically, because they believe they're entitled to, by virtue of their superior sense of morality. How did they come to this arrogant conclusion? Because they think they're better than us. If they believe in anything at all, it is this: They view us as a reeking collection of wretched, baseborn rabble, who are, on an individuallevel, a few billion neurons short of being governable by honest means.

Yes, you read that correctly: They believe they're better than you. When they lie and flout the rules and assert that the rule of law doesn't apply to them or refuse to impeach fellow members of their political and social class who break the law -- it is because they have convinced themselves it is best for society as a whole.

How did they come by such self-serving convictions? The massive extent of their privilege has convinced them that they're the quintessence of human virtue, that they're the most gifted of all golden children ever kissed by the radiant....
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LaRouche: Dummies Don't Understand It--THIS IS NOT A CRASH!October 20, 2008 (LPAC)--Lyndon
LaRouche today strongly criticized those who claim that the worst of the "financial crash is over,'' declaring that what the world is going through is not a financial crash, at all, but a far more devastating disintegration of the entire global financial system.

LaRouche explained: "Dummies do not understand what is happening now. But here is what is happening: There are two phenomena going on at the same time. First, we are seeing a hyperbolic hyperinflation in the financial arena, particularly with respect to the quadrillions of dollars in outstanding derivatives. The U.S. Federal Reserve and other central banks around the globe are generating massive amounts of hyperinflationary new money, new dollars, in their doomed effort to bail out the quadrillion dollar collapse of the world financial system.

"At the same time,'' LaRouche continued, "we are seeing a temporary collapse of costs of key commodities, such as gasoline. The reason for the price collapse is that world trade and world production have collapsed. The global real economy is crumbling, in most parts of the world. Production is falling, need for raw materials and manufactured goods is crumbling, as people lose their jobs, lose their savings, lose their homes.

"So we are witnessing two simultaneous developments: Hyperinflation on an unprecedented scale, in the financial realm, and a collapse of physical production worldwide, causing a fall in commodity prices. This is an explosion, not a crash, and that is plain to see. Only dummies could miss the true significance of the current phase of this systemic disintegration process.''
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Dummies Don't Understand _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Dummies Don't Understand
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[oiram]

There are many diverging opinions about the consequences of the actual dollar printing frenzy.
Some say that it won't matter, some say it will lead to hyperinflation, others say that it will cause the dollar to crash and so on...
I am interested in your opinion on that matter...Dollar printing frenzy maybe & maybe not!
Who told you that they printing money.
Are you sure 100% they making more money?
Don't worry money is just a part of there sheeple control system.
All you know about the market is man made & man controls it.

Don't believe so much what you see and hear on the MSM it's all belong to the same mafia!

I say there is not one person on this forum which has fiscally seen that any money gets printed all they seen is the brainwashing news on MSM & a Computer screen where Numbers are going up & down!
All is manipulated by the Controllers of the market updates! "Where is the Master Computer located?" Definitely the Computer is in America I say!
Do you trust & believe any American?
Do you believe anyone when it comes to money?
Who can you trust; I say there is only one persone which is your self!

All the things you learned in school about the market is bogus; you will see in time!

The best is to use your own logic because only logical thinking will find the answer!The keyword is MONEY CHANGERS & there you will find all your answers!
If the Money Changers like that the market collapses they will do so!
If the Money Changers like to stop the process of destruction they could do so!By Andrew Hitchcock, 26 Feb 2006. He also wrote the Rothschild timeline.
Here is an illustrated version of this timeline.

Economists continually try and sell the public the idea that recessions or depressions are a natural part of what they call the “business cycle”.

This timeline below will prove that is simply not the case. Recessions and depressions only occur because the Central Bankers manipulate the money supply, to ensure more and more is in their hands and less and less is in the hands of the people.

Central Bankers developed out of money changers and it is with these people we pick the story up in 48 B.C. below.http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Bankers.htm
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THE MONEY CHANGERS: THE FEDERAL RESERVE, ROBBERY BY DECEIT” By FAHIM A. KNIGHT
In God we trust & normal people we Fuck!The entire planet has been shammed by a minority one percent (1%) of the population who are far worst than Frank James and Jesse James two “infamous” bank robbers and outlaws or any other criminals we can name in world history, but at least we understood these stickup boys made it known to the victims that they were out to steal the money. They left no doubt their motive was strong arm robbery. The Federal Reserve System is truly a shadow government that operates outside the legal jurisdictional, democratic and Constitutional parameter upon which America was founded. The citizenry of this nation should be up in arms and outraged that this cartel of twelve Central Banks (that function invisible without boundaries) which are privately owned with no federal United States affiliation attached. This illegal cartel has the authority (power) to determine national, and international currencies values and ultimately the entire world is under their pulse and dictates. (Reference: “The World Order: It Will Change the Way You live” by Pat Roberson).http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4584
http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/magcisystem1.gif (http://www.henrymakow.com/archives.html)In 1787, colonial leaders assembled in Philadelphia to replace the ailing Articles of Confederation. As we saw earlier, both Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were unalterably opposed to a privately owned central bank. They had seen the problems caused by the Bank of England. They wanted nothing of it.

As Jefferson later put it:

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations which grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."http://www.ojczyzna.pl/BOOKS/the-money-changers-ch10-14.htmOctober 25, 2008
http://www.henrymakow.com/berngreen1.jpg (http://www.henrymakow.com/archives.html)The Banker Conspiracy
Recently, on his internet radio show, Alan Stang asked me if there is such a thing as a Jewish conspiracy. He gets email from people blaming Jews, Jesuits, the Vatican, Freemasons etc.

I replied that the central banking cartel is the only group that has both the motive and the means to take over the world. Consisting mainly of Cabala-believing Jews and Freemasons, it is the head of the octopus. Zionism, Freemasonry, organized Jewry, Jesuits,Vatican, Intelligence agencies, mass media etc. are among the myriad octopus arms.

The "motive" is to protect its fraudulent private monopoly over the public (government) credit. The central banking cartel controls the purse strings of the world's nations. Essentially, anyone who succeeds in public life is their puppet or unconsciously serves their agenda: a world government tyranny designed to ensure all nations remain its debt slaves.

The "means" of course is unlimited money funneled through their network of cartels. This allows them to own the government, mass media, education etc.

The ideology of world tyranny, Illuminism, derives from the Jewish Cabala which conveniently preaches that man (i.e. the bankers) can usurp the place of God and redefine reality. This is their magic-- rule by deception and dysfunction.http://www.henrymakow.com/the_banker_conspiracy.html AS EUROPEAN AND US authorities continue their investigations into the apparent presence of an international money-laundering ring based in Dubai, the issue of cash laundering and its connections to the Gulf has once again reared its ugly head.

In late 2006, as part of a global sting operation--the Italian tax police arrested several Pakistanis living in Carpi, a town near Modena in northern Italy. They also issued an arrest warrant for an Indian, Kumar Jain Naresh, commonly known as Patel, who lives in Dubai and allegedly runs what authorities call an informal bank, where deposits come in from drug sales around the world, and transfers go out to drug barons in places like Turkeyhttp://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2742/is_/ai_n24998918

[oiram]

Health freedom update (important)I don't live in the US, but anyway this is really critical info. Please read and inform everybody. :)
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NaturalNews Insider Alert (www.NaturalNews.com)
newsletter RE: Important health freedom update
Dear NaturalNews readers,

The FDA and FTC have stepped up their attacks on your health freedoms over the last few months, possibly in anticipation of an Obama victory in the upcoming elections. It is believed by many in Washington that an Obama victory would result in significant changes at the FDA and FTC, possibly even major reforms. I urge caution on this point, however, by mentioning that BOTH candidates have strong financial ties to Big Pharma, and the only Presidential contender who ever truly understood health freedom was Rep. Ron Paul (who, unfortunately, isn't even on the ballot).

Nevertheless, in anticipation of a possible Obama win, the FDA and FTC are now greatly increasing their attacks on small health supplement companies. Here at NaturalNews, I've personally interviewed the founders of many such companies and have documented the following:

* The FTC is now confiscating customer lists from health supplement companies! This appears to be an effort to compile some sort of "master list" of health supplement consumers who may be contacted by the federal government at some future date with an invitation to file complaints against the health supplement companies they purchased products from. (Note, of course, that the federal government would never take such action against drug companies.)

Thank you,
- Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
Editor of NaturalNews.com

[oiram]

Europe on the brink of currency crisis meltdown
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By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard (26 Oct 2008)
The financial crisis spreading like wildfire across the former Soviet bloc threatens to set off a second and more dangerous banking crisis in Western Europe, tipping the whole Continent into a fully-fledged economic slump.

Currency pegs are being tested to destruction on the fringes of Europe’s monetary union in a traumatic upheaval that recalls the collapse of the Exchange Rate Mechanism in 1992.

“This is the biggest currency crisis the world has ever seen,” said Neil Mellor, a strategist at Bank of New York Mellon.

Experts fear the mayhem may soon trigger a chain reaction within the eurozone itself. The risk is a surge in capital flight from Austria – the country, as it happens, that set off the global banking collapse of May 1931 when Credit-Anstalt went down – and from a string of Club Med countries that rely on foreign funding to cover huge current account deficits.

The latest data from the Bank for International Settlements shows that Western European banks hold almost all the exposure to the emerging market bubble, now busting with spectacular effect.

They account for three-quarters of the total $4.7 trillion £2.96 trillion) in cross-border bank loans to Eastern Europe, Latin America and emerging Asia extended during the global credit boom – a sum that vastly exceeds the scale of both the US sub-prime and Alt-A debacles.

Europe has already had its first foretaste of what this may mean. Iceland’s demise has left them nursing likely losses of $74bn (£47bn). The Germans have lost $22bn.

Stephen Jen, currency chief at Morgan Stanley, says the emerging market crash is a vastly underestimated risk. It threatens to become “the second epicentre of the global financial crisis”, this time unfolding in Europe rather than America.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/3260052/Europe-on-the-brink-of-currency-crisis-meltdown.html

[oiram]

Recession fears haunt markets 1 hr 22 mins ago
NEW YORK/LONDON (Reuters) – Fears of a deep global recession dominated investor sentiment as financial markets in the Asia-Pacific region began to reopen on Monday after last week's worldwide slide in stock prices and currency collapses.

There were early indications that governments and central banks will take further dramatic action to prop up the global financial system this week.

The Japanese Finance Minister called a news conference for 9:00 a.m. (8:00 p.m. EDT), and the Bank of Korea announced an emergency meeting for Monday morning amid forecasts from analysts that it will announce an interest rate cut.

But there is growing concern that intervention by authorities will not be enough to prevent companies from slashing production and jobs as sales get hit and financing remains difficult.

Initially, financial markets were relatively stable in Asian trade on Monday.

Standard & Poor's 500 December index futures opened the week slightly higher, gaining 3.0 points at 869.80 after about an hour, though the Australian dollar traded close to record lows against the yen and near 5-1/2 year lows against the U.S. dollar. However, Japan's stock market is expected to decline, threatening to take the Nikkei average to a 26-year low.

The International Monetary Fund on Sunday reached an agreement in principle with Ukraine for a $16.5 billion loan package to ease the effects of the financial crisis.

The IMF also said that it will announce a "substantial financing package" for Hungary in the next few days that will include financing by the European Union and some individual European governments.

More such deals are expected as other emerging market governments turn to the IMF for help.
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http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/money.gifhttp://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/boom.gifOctober 24, 2008PRESSURE on the Federal Government over its bank deposit guarantee has escalated after three big financial institutions hit with a spate of withdrawals by customers last night froze their accounts.

Tens of thousands of Australians, many of them retirees, are now unable to get immediate access to their capital after AXA Asia Pacific, Perpetual Investment Management and Australian Unity suspended withdrawals from some funds.

Treasurer Wayne Swan responded last night by advising people adversely affected to go to Centrelink to see if they were eligible for income support.

But the Government did not appear to have an immediate answer to the cascading problem, and Mr Swan's comments were seized on by the Coalition, which accused him of insensitivity and incompetence.

As the row erupted, Mr Swan and Prime Minister Kevin Rudd last night met the chief executives of the nation's four biggest banks - Commonwealth, NAB, ANZ and Westpac - to discuss the financial crisis.

The meeting in Canberra came after another day of carnage on world markets, with Australia's ASX-200 index plunging more than 4.4%.

The freezing of funds by AXA, Perpetual and Australian Unity came in response to a flood of people trying to withdraw money - mainly from mortgage funds - and transfer it into banks to take advantage of the Government's decision to guarantee deposits.

By last night, four of the nation's five biggest mortgage fund managers had either suspended or put restrictions on withdrawals from funds worth billions of dollars. Industry sources said up to 180,000 individuals were affected, with an average investment of about $40,000 each.

The funds are favoured by older, retired people because they provide a steady income stream. While there is no apparent threat to people's savings, the freeze means those wanting access to more than the regular income payments might be unable to do so for some time.

Senior Perpetual executive Richard Brandweiner said that from last night, the company would allow only quarterly redemptions, and these would be dependent on the level of funds available at the time.

He blamed the situation on "a sudden spike in redemptions" after the Government flagged its bank deposit guarantee and "subsequent actions by other parties".

A spokeswoman for AXA said the company had to act after withdrawals by investors yesterday soared to about 20 times the daily average.

The latest developments will increase pressure on the Government to get its planned fee on big bank deposits - aimed at curbing the massive flight of money to the safety of government guaranteed banks - in place quickly
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Nouriel Roubini: I fear the worst is yet to comeWhen this man predicted a global financial crisis more than a year ago, people laughed. Not any more...

As stock markets headed off a cliff again last week, closely followed by currencies, and as meltdown threatened entire countries such as Hungary and Iceland, one voice was in demand above all others to steer us through the gloom: that of Dr Doom.

For years Dr Doom toiled in relative obscurity as a New York University economics professor under his alias, Nouriel Roubini. But after making a series of uncannily accurate predictions about the global meltdown, Roubini has become the prophet of his age, jetting around the world dispensing his advice and latest prognostications to politicians and businessmen desperate to know what happens next – and for any answer to the crisis.

While the economic sun was shining, most other economists scoffed at Roubini and his predictions of imminent disaster. They dismissed his warnings that the sub-prime mortgage disaster would trigger a financial meltdown. They could not quite believe his view that the US mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would collapse, and that the investment banks would be crushed as the world headed for a long recession.

Yet all these predictions and more came true. Few are laughing now.
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TOKYO, Oct. 28 (UPI) -- Japan, concerned about the steep stock market plunges, moved up to Tuesday a plan to ban the short selling of shares beginning in November to calm the markets.
Financial Services Minister Shoichi Nakagawa said the restriction will apply to "naked short selling," which was previously scheduled to go into effect Nov. 4, Kyodo news service reported.
The 225-stock Nikkei index has sunk to a 26-year low, a development that is partly blamed on speculative short selling.
Short selling involves selling borrowed shares on the assumption their prices would fall, thereby allowing the sellers to repurchase them at lower cost, return them to the lender and pocket the difference in the price. Naked short selling involves transactions in which traders sell stocks without borrowing them first, thereby increasing market volatility.
Nakagawa told reporters the ban date was being moved up on the orders of Prime Minister Taro Aso.
He said the Financial Services Agency will work with the Securities and Exchange Surveillance Commission and the Tokyo Stock Exchange to look into any past violations of short selling regulations.
Saying the United States and Europe have introduced similar steps against short-selling, Nakagawa said, "We decided (to move up the short selling ban) as we thought it could be dangerous for the Tokyo stock market if we do not take action immediately."
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2008/10/28/Japan_to_restrict_stock_short_selling/UPI-83391225173555/
The time is close to pick your next Master Blaster & to empower the Elite again!
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What will it be! ...... The End Times are near!The judgment of history may well be that the United States has been “taken into, and kept in, the Iraq War .........
by a guy who is not quite right in his head,”http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/cryballl.gif a distinguished legal scholar says.
“It may take 25 or 50 years, but it is almost certain that one day this character will be exhibit number one for the danger of having a nut job in the oval office,” says Lawrence Velvel, dean of the Massachusetts School of Law at Andover.
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My Prediction just after the Election all Hell will brake lose!
Dollar will dive!
Gold will ?
God will
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New Judicial Watch/Zogby Poll: 81.7% of Americans Say Political Corruption Played a SMajor Role in Financial Crisis
Obama with Slight Edge over McCain as Candidate Trusted Most to Combat Corruption
86.4% Say Congressional Corruption Has Increased or Remained the Same Since Democrats Took Control (http://blog4paul.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-judicial-watchzogby-poll-817-of.html)

WVA Vote Flipping Caught on Tape
WV Vote Flipping Caught on Tape - YouTube

[emanuel]

This thread is the height of fear mongering.

[oiram]

This thread is the height of fear mongering.Thank You!
No fear is what created all this mess in the first place!
Now it is all about awareness & information!

Trust is good but Control is better!

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HOW COULD STANLEY ANN DUNHAM HAVE DELIVERED BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA JR. IN AUGUST OF 1961 IN
HONOLULU, WHEN OFFICIAL UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON RECORDS SHOW HER 2680 MILES AWAY IN
SEATTLE ATTENDING CLASSES THAT SAME MONTH?
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http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.htmlObama Birth Certificate: Hawaii Seals Birth Certificate; Kenya Seals Obama Records
http://www.bloggernews.net/118355Deconstruction of Obama's Birth Certificate?
http://www.snappedshot.com/archives/2275-Deconstruction-of-Obamas-Birth-Certificate-Update-Nope!.html
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Elections USA: Do They Matter?
War Is CrimeLinda Averil
October 24, 2008
Legions of people opt out of voting in the U.S. But they are not civic slackers. They’re on to something. Whether disinterested or disgusted, they are casting a vote of no confidence in the electoral system. And it is entirely justified. .....
......continue here: (http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/10/24/news/elections-usa-do-they-matter/)

Whose democracy?There are 100 million nonvoters in the U.S., and they are overwhelmingly people who are economically disenfranchised. They are poor, young, disabled, unemployed and foreign-born, especially Asian and Latino. ......
.....continue here: (http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/10/24/news/elections-usa-do-they-matter/)

It’s rigged!Actually, many abstainers would vote if they could. Other countries give people a day off to go to the polls, but not the U.S.
In 2004, 45 percent didn’t vote because they were too busy or exhausted, disabled or ill. Another 12 percent were stopped by registration problems, inconvenient polling locations and transportation issues. Translation? This means millions of workingclass voters face insurmountable obstacles, from electoral incompetence to outright dirty tricks on the part of politicians. .....
......continue here: (http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/10/24/news/elections-usa-do-they-matter/)

Minor parties?With such a gap between politicians and people, third parties should flourish. Instead they are blockaded by the money and might of the Democrats and Republicans. Election laws, written by the major parties, make it extremely difficult for minor parties even to appear on the ballot. .....
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Raise hell, whoever wins!After this country revolted against the English king, only a few white men with money and property could vote. The fight to gain the franchise by workers without land and Blacks and women was long and brave. It presumed that voting equals democracy and is the path to making society better. ......
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But your vote isn’t worthless. Send a message — use it to protest your false choices and demand real ones!

Then follow the advice of union organizer Mother Jones. More than a century ago, she declared, “I have never had a vote, and I have raised hell all over this country.

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/Youdontneedavotetoraisehell.gif
You need convictions and a voice!”
http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/10/24/news/elections-usa-do-they-matter/ Please Keep This In Mind!!!

You can never trust the corrupt Governments & all there Politicians

[oiram]

Wall Street's 'Disaster Capitalism for Dummies'
14 reasons Main Street loses big while Wall Street sabotages democracy
ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) -- Yes, we're dummies. You. Me. All 300 million of us. Clueless. We should be ashamed. We're obsessed about the slogans and rituals of "democracy," distracted by the campaign, polls, debates, rhetoric, half-truths and outright lies. McCain? Obama? Sorry to pop your bubble folks, but it no longer matters who's president.
Why? The real "game changer" already happened. Democracy has been replaced by Wall Street's new "disaster capitalism." That's the big game-changer historians will remember about 2008, masterminded by Wall Street's ultimate "Trojan Horse," Hank Paulson. Imagine: Greed, arrogance and incompetence create a massive bubble, cost trillions, and still Wall Street comes out smelling like roses, richer and more powerful!

Yes, we're idiots: While distracted by the "illusion of democracy" in the endless campaign, Congress surrendered the powers we entrusted to it with very little fight. Congress simply handed over voting power and the keys to trillions in the Treasury to Wall Street's new "Disaster Capitalists" who now control "democracy."
Why did this happen? We're in denial, clueless wimps, that's why. We let it happen. In one generation America has been transformed from a democracy into a strange new form of government, "Disaster Capitalism." Here's how it happened:
Three decades of influence peddling in Washington has built an army of 42,000 special-interest lobbyists representing corporations and the wealthy. Today these lobbyists manipulate America's 537 elected officials with massive campaign contributions that fund candidates who vote their agenda.
This historic buildup accelerated under Reaganomics and went into hyperspeed under Bushonomics, both totally committed to a new disaster capitalism run privately by Wall Street and Corporate America. No-bid contracts in wars and hurricanes. A housing-credit bubble -- while secretly planning for a meltdown.
Finally, the coup de grace: Along came the housing-credit crisis, as planned. Press and public saw a negative, a crisis. Disaster capitalists saw a huge opportunity. Yes, opportunity for big bucks and control of America. Millions of homeowners and marginal banks suffered huge losses. Taxpayers stuck with trillions in debt. But giant banks emerge intact, stronger, with virtual control over government and the power to use taxpayers' funds. They're laughing at us idiots!
Amazing isn't it, Wall Street's Disaster Capitalists screwed up, likely planned or let happen this meltdown and recession. Yet America's clueless taxpayers just reward them by giving the screw-ups massive bailouts, control over more than $2 trillion of tax money, and the power to clean up the mess they made. Oh yes, we are dummies!
This end game was planned for years in secret war rooms on Wall Street, in Corporate America, in Washington and the Forbes 400. Democracy is too cumbersome. It had to be marginalized for Disaster Capitalism to take over. Reagan, Bush and Paulson were Wall Street's "Trojan Horses."
Naomi Klein summarizes the game in "Shock Doctrine: the Rise of Disaster Capitalism." This "new economy" generates enormous profits feeding off other peoples' misery: Wars, terror attacks, natural catastrophes, poverty, trade sanctions, subprime housing meltdowns and all kinds of economic, financial and political disasters. Natural (Katrina) or manmade (Iraq), either way "disaster capitalism" creates fortunes.
So you, me and the other 300 million better get out of denial. America is no longer a democracy. Voting is irrelevant. Best case scenario: We're a plutocracy, a government ruled by the wealthy, the richest 1%, the Forbes 400, the influential wealthy elite, while the other 99% are their "servants." Meanwhile, the inflation-adjusted income of wage-earners has declined for three decades.
Worst case scenario: America's no democracy and as a result of the meltdown and the surrender of our power to Wall Street's new Disaster Capitalism we are morphing into what one WWII dictator called "corporatism," a "merger of state and corporate power," kind of like what's going on now with Goldman Sachs' ex-boss as de facto president.
Wolves in sheep's clothing
Yes, a strong charge. But like a lot of our readers, I don't like what's happening to America. I'm a patriot. I volunteered for the Marines. Served four years. Volunteered for Korea. I don't like how our freedoms, rights and value system are being subverted in the name of greed, arrogance, self-righteous intolerance and other false gods.
We know for the last eight years disaster capitalists ignored obvious warnings of a coming meltdown. They apparently planned it. They road the bull, got very rich. Now they have the ultimate disaster capitalist weapons, trillions in tax money, virtual control of government.
That's why I fear we're on the edge of a dangerous line between Wall Street's version of disaster capitalism and a toxic "merger of state and corporate power." The wolf is in sheep's clothing. Wall Street pretends we're a democracy. Yet America more closely resembles the kind of "corporatism" that Laurence W. Britt wrote about five years ago in Free Inquiry magazine.
We adapted his historical analysis of 14 key traits for today's discussion. Notice how they have a huge impact your investments and retirement:
1. Wall Street rich get first priority
Think "bailout." Wall Street's greedy con game spins out of control globally. Millions of homeowners misled, lose. Who gets hundreds of billions first? Wall Street's con men.
2. National security obsession
Think of the expansion of executive powers in the name of national security: Preemptive wars, wiretapping private citizens, Gitmo, torture; driven by a dark wealthy neocon elite.
3. Superpower with massive military
Think of our $3 trillion Iraq/Afghan War. Disaster capitalists love the thrill of military power. We outspend all nations, over half the federal budget to strut before the world.
4. Extreme nationalism
Signs are everywhere: Flags, lapel pins, "support the troops" slogans, all to get huge military budgets passed. Challenge them and you're un-American and unpatriotic.
5. Rally the masses by scapegoating enemies
Think "axis of evil," mushroom clouds, "Islamofascists," more terrorist attacks on the homeland. Propaganda creates "enemies" in the public's mind and distracts from real issues.
6. Corruption and cronyism
Think earmarks, no-bid defense contracts, paid mercenaries outnumbering military in Iraq, superlobbyist Jack Abramoff, biofuels, bridge to nowhere, millions donated to campaigns.
7. Obsession with crime
Think of prison-building as just another investment opportunity, rather than focusing on reforming our criminal justice system. Stoke irrational fear of criminals and extremists.
8. Labor and low wages
Think corporate earnings versus the wages paid to workers. No "trickling down," leaves more for tricklers: Rich insiders, stockholders. Wages dropping as CEO salaries skyrocket.
9. Contempt for human rights
Think of abuses of habeas corpus, loss of right to trial, bogus charges, plus "demonizing" the victims, all in the name of national defense and homeland security.
10. Mass media manipulation
Think of leaking false information, Joseph Wilson, Valerie Plame, Scooter Libby, Colin Powell's United Nation's testimony, Condoleezza Rice's mushroom clouds, WMDs, all to suppress the truth.
11. Obsession with sexism
Think of paternalism, antigays, antiabortion, subordinate women -- then codify the system as the law of the land reinforcing a male-dominated society, punish violators.
12. Disdain for intellectuals
Think of conservative intellectuals Francis Fukuyama and Bill Buckley. Contrast them to Sarah Palin and Joe Sixpack conservatism, Bush's funding cuts for arts and science education.
13. Religion in government
Think of all the faith-based programs versus antiscience in drug approvals, creationism vs. evolution, Ten Commandments enshrined in public buildings, public money to churches.
14. Fraudulent elections
Think of police and prosecutorial intimidation and threats to voters, challenging minority voters, ballots disappearing, party election officials committing outright fraud.
Yes, officially America is still a democracy. We have enough signs and rituals to support that illusion. But the truth is America has become a plutocracy run by and for the wealthy. And since Wall Street's Disaster Capitalism coup de grace, we are rapidly morphing into a dangerous new government.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/ (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/14-reasons-main-street-loses/story.aspx?guid={F63EC448-D9C1-4138-AC18-97BF0FE68EE3}&dist=TNMostRead)
Proves my point; idiots Vote smart people don't the idiots are guilty the same as the Elite!Here comes my School experience which opened my eyes and mind & I never forgot!
I ask this to my Teacher about the Democratic system we suppose to live in!
What would happen if 70% of logical smart people do NOT Vote for the Government because of there understanding and 30% of the idiots do Vote for the Government what would be the result?
Would I need to follow the Idiots!
My Teacher never answered my question & from that time on I had to go my own way and understood that the Democratic System they preaching to us is Corrupt & just a different form of Communisms with a sweet twist!
Or in short Communisms under cover!Proves my point; idiots Vote smart people don't the idiots are guilty the same as the Elite!Freaking Communist system where are all these PHD & highly educated monkeys sitting in power positions & not ever questioning the system! If they would only end-up with 10 voters in total & 299,999,990 don't Vote because of there logical understanding they would still empower them self "RIGHT!" Criminal to the core! All of them!
Like I always said it's a freaking Prison Planet; full of criminals & retards!
http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/nonvote.gif (http://books.google.com/books?id=EKVyIu6oFoYC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=amish+non-voting&source=bl&ots=irNyFwYInf&sig=v6oU5w-DReCRbbibFRWi1SNgmlE&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPP1,M1)
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The Ballet paper has to have one point stating no confidence for the Government; then you would see how many people would turn up for Voting! I even would Vote to put the biggest cross on the non confident Vote!
Where is the law; where are the Judges where are the smart people in this world??
University; High school. Hah! Hah! Monkey brains & Liars everywhere!
I know this corrupt system from the time I turned 15th! http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=424450#424450
if you're interested, check out this letter from Cato Craft, host of the Radio Free Liberty podcast

Dear Candidates,

This campaign season has done me in. Here is one voter who will not be casting a vote for your opponent. Nor for you. And I am now to the point where if I were running for office I wouldn’t even vote for myself. After years duly doing my duty as a citizen in a democracy (we no longer have a Constitutional republic), I have now officially become an ex-voter. I began voting thinking it would make this country better. Then I voted to try to preserve the good things about this country. Then I voted thinking it could change the way things were going. When I saw that wasn’t working, I voted to make a statement. When I realized no one was listening, I voted just because it is a right I thought I should exercise regardless of the fact that nothing, nothing ever changed. I have finally come to grips with what I have been sensing for a long time: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is, well, you know.

Please understand, this is absolutely not due to “voter apathy”. I am so not apathetic about this issue. I'm making this decision after deep reflection, study, and conversation with many people whose opinions I respect. Now I'll feel sorry for the people who I’ll see on Election Day wearing those smiley “I Voted!” stickers. People with those stickers are people who have not yet learned that by voting they are endorsing not a candidate that is the lesser of two evils but a system which is evil in itself. A system which places the legal monopoly of the use of lethal force in the hands of what amounts to the biggest gang.

So if, as a voter, my candidates, issues, and belief system carry the day, I get to impose those views on others legally. If they don’t, I get others’ views imposed on me legally. In either case I don’t consider myself a winner. By participating in the voting process I’m endorsing that kind of system. The only way I can make a statement against that kind of system is by not participating in it. Author Thomas Di Lorenzo makes the point that because the American Government has abdicated any responsibility to the Constitutional limitations on the power of government and today blatantly ignores those limitations, it's downright traitorous to vote.

Beyond the principled arguments for abstaining from voting come a multitude of practical ones:

There is no real choice. The two parties, Dumb and Dumber, are so indistinguishable as to be mirror images. The Republicans are growing government faster today than any Democrat of only a few years ago.

You can't vote for anything important. Did you have the opportunity to vote not to go to war? Can you vote tomorrow to bring the troops home Wednesday? Did you have a say in who was appointed as the new head of the Federal Reserve? To stop printing unbacked currency? Can you vote to decide how much tax you are forced to pay? How about the gun confiscations that government did in New Orleans after Katrina? The Patriot Act? Did you have a chance to vote to keep that from happening? Can you vote to stop wasting $30 billion every year on a failed “war on drugs”? No, the government continues to operate as it has for at least 90 years, unilaterally, in its own interest. And every two years it allows us to go through a charade it calls an “election” to keep the masses thinking they are in control.

Election accuracy is highly suspect. They are increasingly fraught with miscounting, mistakes, ineptitude, and downright fraud:

In 2004, a worker at a Toledo, Ohio, election office found 300 completed absentee ballots in a storage room more than a month after the vote. At least half hadn't been counted, and they affected the result of at least one local contest... In 1998, former congressman Austin Murphy of Pennsylvania, a Democrat, was convicted of absentee-ballot fraud in a nursing home, where residents' failing mental capacities make them an easy mark. Three companies -- Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia -- control 80 percent of the nation's voting and tabulating machines. These companies that we entrust with our franchise operate without public oversight. The software in machines of all three companies are proprietary, and when voters faced with surprising election results have sued to examine the machines, elections officials have claimed they are prohibited by contract from allowing inspection.

Yet with all these reasons to not vote, taking the final plunge into principled abstention is not easy. When I broached the subject with my wife she gave me a response that is not uncommon: “But, you must vote, if for no other reason than to make a statement.” But what kind of statement is it to continuously engage in an exercise in futility that is useless at best and may even be fraudulent? Isn't it a much louder and more thought provoking statement to answer the inevitable question that comes on election day from friends and co-workers, “Did you vote yet?” by saying that you no longer believe in voting? Isn't that a good conversation starter?

William Conger has created what he calls the Anti-Electorate Manifesto. It goes something like this:

We, the Anti-Electorate, do not believe there is a need for "strong leadership" in government.
We are not drawn to "intellectual" authorities and political "heroes."
We are not impressed with titles, ranks, and pecking orders – politicians, celebrities, and gurus.
We do not struggle for control of organizations, social circles, and government.
We do not lobby the State for favors or permission to control those with whom we disagree.
Rather, we advocate freedom.
By its very nature, the State does not.
Exercise your right to say "No" to the warfare-welfare system.
Refuse to vote. Then tell your friends why.

Opting out of the political system entirely is a very liberating feeling. After all, if politics is so good, why do so many people suffer because of it? Butler Schaffer points out that politics managed to kill off some 200,000,000 of our fellow humans in the 20th century alone. With our Constitution and bill of rights securely in place and a free and unfettered market to drive the economy we'd all be just fine. From that point on voting for stuff can only make things worse.

So whats my non-political answer to the futility of politics? How about voting in the only way that really matters- with your dollars. If we foster a society where all interactions are voluntary and based on the bedrock libertarian tenets of no force and no fraud, the market will provide everything we are voting for today. Except corrupt politicians and “leaders” who dictate what we are allowed to do and say and think. And the only way we can bring about such a society is through individual action, activism, evangelism, and the “in-activism” of not endorsing a coercive political process by not participating in it. Just like you can't eat yourself thin or spend yourself wealthy, you sure as hell can't vote yourself free.

Sincerely,
Cato Craft

* i don't agree with all parts of this article but i appreciate the viewpoint of any conscientious non-voter.

any other non-voters out there? with everyone thinking about politics, don't you feel like this an opportunity for us to offer some alternatives? a peaceful non-compliance with the system? if not for this election, but for the 2012 election (if it happens)?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40743

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Same Shit in Oz! All Systems are the same corrupt standard!
Where is the opposition to WAR?
Where is the opposition to WAR Crimes?
Where is the opposition to Draconian Laws?
Where is the opposition to Refugee Detainment?
Where is the opposition to David Hicks 5 year detention?
Where is the opposition to the AWB scandal?
Where is the opposition to Islamophobia?
Where is the opposition to Political Scapegoating?
Where is the opposition to Neo-Colonialism?
Where is the opposition to False Flag Operations by the CIA?
Where is the opposition to the FTA 'Investors Rights Agreement'?
Where is the opposition to HIV Discrimination?
Where is the opposition to the Privatisation of Health?
Where is the opposition to Desecrating and Ignoring Aboriginal Affairs?
Where is the opposition to subordinating Scientific and Medical Research?
Where is the opposition to No WorkChoices?
Where is the opposition to Social Services Reform?
Where is the opposition to Desperate and Disabled to Work?
Where is the opposition to 6 week Social Security Payments Cut Off's?
Where is the opposition to Work for the Dole instead of Getting Better Education and Skills for Better Employment Opportunities?
Where is the opposition to Rorting the Social Security System by Corporate Greed?

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When will you people Wake up?
I woke up at 11.11am today. :cool:

[oiram]

I woke up at 11.11am today. :cool:That's very good; what would the world do without people like your self? http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/thinkidea.gif http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/thinkidea.gif

[oiram]

Obama drama! U.S. Economy drama! International Crisis drama!

Berg Rally Today 3 PM At Supreme Court ~ Berg Asking court to STOP ELECTION
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
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Biden Gaffe:
Mark My Words, We Will Face A Major International Crisis Due to Obama's Inexperience
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Joe Biden Gaffe: Mark My Words... Major International Crisis - YouTube

RAND Lobbies Pentagon: Start War To Save U.S. Economy
http://www.prisonplanet.com/rand-lobbies-pentagon-start-war-to-save-us-economy.html

Call this a crisis? Just wait
Actually, don't wait, because we've got to stop a bigger economic disaster
in the making: 78 million baby-boomers eligible for Social Security and Medicare.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/28/magazines/fortune/babyboomcrisis_walker.fortune/index.htm

The Alex Jones Show Online
http://www.infowars.com/audiobox.html

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That's very good; what would the world do without people like your self? http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/thinkidea.gif http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/thinkidea.gif
Debate meanigless shit forever.

[oiram]

Expose The Criminals
Before They Kill Youhttp://www.rense.com/general83/ports.jpg
We can defeat enslavement by global financial crime if we all can agree on what their crime have been, and what those crimes have cost us, and if we can disconnect from their programmed deceit and move as one mass, in every city and village in united opposition to the debt slavery, wage-slavery, monopoly-slavery, dumb-down slavery, rigged-election slavery, monetary slavery systems that are our chains.

I think I understand the entire Kelptastrophe crime and can explain it to you clearly enough that everyone will have sufficient reason to come together for whole-population resistance and liberation.

Sorry I don't have time to polish the presentation -- consider it a battlefield dispatch. This nation is being overrun by financial vandals disguised as regulators and bankers -- as destructive as any invasion in history. We are finished unless millions are made to see what is happening and what is at stake.

There were no bad loans. The loans were reasonable given the interest rate and the law of averages. Given the economic climate in which they were made the risk was reasonable and was "taken into account" by the interest rates offered. The market failure came about for other reasons.

People failed to make their mortgage payments all at the same time because purchasing power had been drained from the domestic economy by the Fed in its "inflation fighting policy." Even now the Federal Reserve has the power to reverse what is happening by merely decreasing the reserve requirement that it sets for commercial lending institutions. And even now the Fed is holding back on supplying the public with mortgage payment medium on the grounds that "technically, as economists have agreed to reckon it, the US is not in a recession (a recession being defined as consecutive months of declining gross domestic product.) [Note: the Kelptocracy is above all else a transfer of wealth (houses, equity shares, debt obligations which are bond wealth for the rich etc.) from the hands of the masses to the hands of the ruling minority, not a decrease in outcome. In this economy for every decrease in income to the middle class and poor there is a dollar increase in income to the rich, for every liability-side increase in debt to the poor there is the asset-side increase of just that amount to the rich. The population can be reduced to total beggary and the economy still not register a recession. End of note.] So, instead of providing mortgage payment and food payment and fuel payment media to the people by simply decreasing the reserve requirement to give more loanable deposits to banks "for nothing" as the Fed was chartered to do, the Fed has taken a much different course. It has kept the money supply tight to benefit lenders and IOU holders at the expense of everyone else.
http://www.rense.com/general83/expose.htm

[oiram]

How they see us: U.S. forces attack militants in Syriahttp://www.theweek.com/article/index/90251/3/How_they_see_us_U.S._forces_attack_militants_in_Sy ria

How they see us: U.S. forces attack militants in Syria

The U.S. has committed yet another “terrorist act,” said Syria’s Al Iqtissadiya in an editorial. In a “flagrant violation of Syrian sovereignty,” American forces flew by helicopter to Syria from Iraq this week and opened fire on a group of construction workers at a farm, killing eight civilians, including children. These martyrs join the long toll of “innocent civilians” slaughtered by American forces, which make no distinction between “a woman or an elderly sheikh or a small child dreaming of his bright future.” Syria immediately summoned the U.S. chargé d’affaires to demand an explanation. And it called on the Iraqi government to “shoulder its responsibilities” and investigate how Iraqi territory was used as the base of an attack on Syria.
What next for US-Syria relations? - Inside Story - Oct 29 2008 - part 1 - YouTubeIf 250 million Americans have no power to stop there own criminal Government what power Syria would have!

Bad shit this American Government ruled by Bankers & murdering Sociopaths!

Who will answer for all the innocent People which got murdered by the American Army?

Also Obama & McCain planning to continue this murdering madness! Don't the freaking sheeples get it into there heads? "Shit people"

How can people empower a murdering Leadership like this?

It's a real mystery to me & most will be Jesus loving Christians Voting for them; this should say something!

[oiram]

US defense secretary expands pre-emptive war doctrine to include nuclear strikesBy Alex Lantier
30 October 2008
In a remarkable speech on nuclear policy delivered October 28 at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (CEIP), US Defense Secretary Robert Gates painted a dire portrait of international affairs and argued that Washington should expand the doctrine of pre-emptive war formulated by the Bush administration to include possible nuclear strikes.

It is widely rumored that, in the likely event that Democrat Barack Obama wins next week's US presidential election, Obama will keep Gates as defense secretary. Gates' speech, given in the waning days of the Bush presidency, has the character of a policy declaration of the next US administration. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/oct2008/gate-o30.shtmlhttp://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/nukeblast.gif (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3543161691381895251)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3543161691381895251Some of the topics covered in the film: The New World Order, Federal Reserve, Bilderberg Group,
Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, North American Union, the Rockefeller/Rothschild families,
Freemasonry, Bohemian Grove, the Illuminati, Illuminati symbolism, Problem-Reaction-Solution, 9-11, war
profiteering, the phoney 'War on Terrorism', the impending 'Big Brother Surveillance Society',
the war on civil liberties, microchipping, mind control, media control and 'education system' indoctrination. http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=381811985Amazing Prophecy coming trueInterview with KGB Agent--WOW!
HT to Kathy. After only 1 minute listening, you'll be fascinated and enlightened.
"Pull the bananas from our ears".
"12 October 2008: 1985 Interview with Yuri Bezmenov, ex-KGB officer - please take 15 minutes and view this clip, which is more relevant today than at any other time in history." http://colleenhammond.blogspot.com/2008/10/1985-interview-with-kgb-agent-wow.htmlClosing The 'Collapse Gap': The USSR Was Better Prepared
For Collapse Than The USA
by Dmitry Orlov Published Dec 4 2006
http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=425755#425755

[oiram]

Armageddon started with 9/11 & continued with the Bali Bombing!
3000 Americans & 150 Australians murdered for greed & illegal War creations
How many Afghan's, Iraqi's Women & Children murdered ???

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http://www.nomad4ever.com/2007/10/12/smoked-a-joint-10-years-jail-killed-200-people-get-free-bbq/
http://www.japanfocus.org/_Miriam_Silverberg-War_Responsibility_Revisited__Auschwitz_in_Japan/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3543161691381895251Some of the topics covered in the film: The New World Order, Federal Reserve, Bilderberg Group,
Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, North American Union, the Rockefeller/Rothschild families,
Freemasonry, Bohemian Grove, the Illuminati, Illuminati symbolism, Problem-Reaction-Solution, 9-11, war
profiteering, the phoney 'War on Terrorism', the impending 'Big Brother Surveillance Society',
the war on civil liberties, microchipping, mind control, media control and 'education system' indoctrination.
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[oiram]

Ari Fleischer a modern day Moses leading the Jews out of Democratic Party bondage
Wednesday, October 31st, 2007
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May Israel Prevail! .............. Woman?? ......... Is she Jewish too look at the nose & face??… George Bush is without a doubt the best friend Israel and the Jews have ever had.
http://prodos.thinkertothinker.com/?m=200710
Palin’s Maternal Grandfather And Grandmother
Her maternal grandfather, Schmuel Sheigam, was a Lithuanian Jew, born in 1912 in Vilkaviskis, Lithuania,
91.2 miles west of Vilnius. The Sheigam family immigrated to America, via Hamburg, Germany in 1915
because of WWI. The grandmother was a Jewess named Gower.
http://thejewishconspiracyexposed.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/sarah-palin-is-a-jewess/ Is Sarah Palin Jewish?
Source: Wiki Answers - Sarah Palin
Yes, based on Jewish tradition that makes one "Jewish" if born to a mother of Jewish ethnic decent, although touting at least a mask of evangelical Christianity. IsraelNews.com was most upset about her relationship with Jews for Jesus, see link: IsraelNews.com.
http://frumpter.blogspot.com/ Robert Edmondson "Testified Against the Jews"
By Henry Makow Ph.D.

Our Zionist mind controllers have succeeded in eliminating almost all record of Robert Edmondson. Until today, there was no reference to him (or photo) on the Internet. Yet he was thrown into jail in 1936 and again in 1942 for producing hundreds of bulletins alerting his fellow Americans to an International conspiracy financed by the central bankers consisting largely of Communist Jews. This conspiracy has grown into the New World Order.

A measure of Zionist subversion is when a nation's defenders are defamed and forgotten, while its traitors are rewarded and honored. Other 1930's patriots tarred as "anti-Semites" include Charles Lindbergh. Henry Ford, Charles Coughlin, William Pelley, Louis McFadden and Huey Long.

Their fate proves that despite what Americans think, the US is a colony of the London-based Masonic Jewish central banking cartel and its leaders are traitors. Americans haven't been "free" for a very long time.

In 1936, Edmondson wrote in his defense, "I am not against Jews because of their religion, as a race, a people or as individuals, but because Jewish leadership [i.e. the bankers] is actively anti-American, is attempting to jettison the American political philosophy and take over the Country, and that I would continue to be anti-Jewish until Jewry repudiated such subversion. Were the offender any other than the Jewish minority, my attitude would be precisely the same. This problem is the biggest and most acute thing in the world today....

"Knowing that...pitiless publicity is the only cure for public evils, in 1934 I started on a campaign to expose Jewish Anti-Americanism and Talmudic Communism which has been called the "Code of Hell": a "Rabbi Racket" that victimizes its own followers; an international "Satanic System" subverting France, Britain, Germany and Russia, causing the present depression and moving to take over the United States through the Jewish Radical administration [of FDR.] "

We are all victims of brainwashing which equates defending our freedom, family and values with Nazi bigotry and genocide. We are under merciless hate-filled attack from the bankers, yet we are accused of "hatred" when we identify the source. It's a pathetic disingenuous ruse. Remember the little boy who said the Emperor has no clothes? The Zionists put him in jail.

JEWISH LEADERSHIP AGGRESSION
The majority of Jews are not aware of the Jewish leadership's secret agenda, which meshes with that of the central banking cartel. Yet the security of ordinary Jews is jeopardized by this centuries-old plan for world government now reaching fruition. Unless they oppose it, they will be blamed for it. If they defend it, they are part of it.

In 1954, Edmondson published a collection of his bulletins entitled "I Testify Against the Jews."

He quotes rare documents such as a letter published in the 1880 Review of Jewish Studies financed by James de Rothschild. The letter, dating from 1489, is from the head of the Grand Sanhedrin in Constantinople to a rabbi in Arles France who asked how to counter anti-Semitism. He was advised to infiltrate gentile society.

The advice of the Grand Satraps and Rabbis was to convert to Christianity as the French King demands but "keep the Law of Moses in your hearts;" make your sons merchants "that they may despoil Christians of their [property]; doctors that "they may take away Christian lives."

"Make your sons canons and clerics that they may destroy the churches.....Arrange that your sons become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix themselves up with affairs of state in order that by putting Christians under your yoke, you may dominate the world and be avenged on them." (71)

Edmondson also quotes a May 11 1933 address to the Hebrew University by the famous Jewish poet N.H. Bialik which confirms a Jewish agenda few Jews are aware of. He says Jews have undermined Christianity by "deliberate Jewish conniving...it has been effected in great measure by cyrpto Jews (Secret Jews) who have permeated Christianity and spoken through the mouth of Christianity." (51)

He says these crypto Jews are also the creators of "the Renaissance, of Liberalism, of Democracy, of Socialism, and of Communism." (151)

Remember he was speaking in 1933: "The Gentiles have at last realized this secret--that Judaism has gradually penetrated and permeated them like a drug. The Gentile nature is in revolt, and is trying to organize the final battle...They would 'smoke us out' of all the cracks and crannies where we have hidden. They would exterminate us like baccilli and be rid of us." (152)

This is proof that millions of innocent Jews, including my grandparents, died partly because of the demented megalomania of the Jewish leadership, and ironically the Nazis were financed by the Jewish bankers as a way of forcing Jews to support Zionism.

CONCLUSION
Judaism is a conspiracy against Christian Western civilization which has succeeded to such an extent that it cannot even be mentioned. It has inspired the bankers to recast society so there will be no families, no marriages, no private property and no freedom.

It has divorced society from God, who is synonymous with absolute truth and justice. It has inundated us in pornography and trivia, poisoned the well of gender and debased relations between men and women. We live in a decadent, superficial, hypocritical society where people sell their souls for jobs, and where mass media and education are devoted to propaganda and indoctrination. We are denied the truth, and kept in a state of arrested development, befitting children or "cattle."

We can be as politically correct as long as we want, but we can't escape the fact that mankind is in the thrall of a Satanic force which is enslaving us.
http://www.henrymakow.com/robert_edmondson_testified_aga.html