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mada88
06-05-2007, 11:24 PM
The Thirteenth Floor 1999. Craig Bierko, Gretchen Mol, Vincent Donofrio, Armin Mueller-Stahl.

Douglas Hall (Bierko) and his colleague Whitney (Donofrio) have created a virtual reality world set in 1937 Los Angeles, although have yet to test it. When their project leader Hannon (Mueller-Stahl) is found dead, Douglas and Whitney discover that he had been entering the virtual reality world, unbeknownst to them, prior to his death. Douglas then decides to enter the program to find answers. But nothing compares to the shock of discovering that their own world is also a virtual reality world. !

The movie doesn’t sound like much, but it’s very good, under rated, and usually overlooked. It wound up being overshadowed by The Matrix, which came out the same year. “The Thirteenth Floor” is low key, but well done and acted. It draws you in, the characters are likable, and the twist is memorable, back when big “mind bending twists” were still a relatively new gimmick used in movies. ;)

Key elements

Virtual reality characters waking up to the truth. The “characters” in 1937 virtual reality Los Angeles are designed to look like their creator counterparts, but are not real, for all intents and purposes. They’re not supposed to be capable of independent thoughts and feelings. Yet somehow, it happens. Whitney’s virtual reality counterpart, Jerry Ashton, takes it upon himself to intercept a letter, of which gives him a tip to drive out to Arizona. And upon doing so, he encounters the literal “end of the world”...the point where mountains and scenery end abruptly, turning into digital landscape. This proves more than he can handle, and it sends him into an emotional tailspin with consequences. But none of this was even supposed to be possible.

Virtual reality within virtual reality. What’s really real? Is the reality you think you know just another layer in the program?

Summary: Analogous truth involves characters in an artificially created world having sentience, “waking up”, gaining independent sovereignty, and taking control of the wheel, as well as the concept of layers upon layers of reality on top of each other.

The players/Users download themselfs into a program that is similar to them, its a consciouness transfer. They "jack" in like in the matrix. "The mind jacks in while the body stays here and holds its consciousness of the program link unit" Could this be what possession is? The user only has a set amount of time to be in the virtual world. Is this life then death?
"I'm just like you, a bunch of electricity" - Doug
"Theres another world on top of this one?" - Whitney
"Its all smoke and mirrors, just like your world, Where nothing but a simulation on a computer screen, its like a machine, you have your players, al following pre-programmed movements generated by electricity" - Doug

melbo
07-05-2007, 10:38 AM
That was a brilliant film. Dark City is another one in a similar vein.

mada88
07-05-2007, 01:47 PM
Dark City is good though like the matrix it has stupid fighting in.

earthseed
10-05-2007, 06:23 PM
It's interesting we keep getting the same idea thrown at us through these films. You're a lab rat/food source to 'higher' beings. So is this to warn us to rise up or to get us to accept it as a fact of life?

mada88
10-05-2007, 06:39 PM
It's interesting we keep getting the same idea thrown at us through these films. You're a lab rat/food source to 'higher' beings. So is this to warn us to rise up or to get us to accept it as a fact of life?

In the thirteenth floor you download yourself into a game/simulation character. That must be what happens to consciousness. And yeah the same basic ideas pop up all the time its like something is saying "Its right in front of you!" lol

hagbard_celine
11-05-2007, 10:53 PM
There's an episode of Star Trek where the crew of the Enterprise go down to the holodeck then come out again. But it turns out later that they never left the holodeck! They're trapped in a fake Enterprise inside the holodeck without realizing it.

mada88
12-05-2007, 12:49 PM
There's an episode of Star Trek where the crew of the Enterprise go down to the holodeck then come out again. But it turns out later that they never left the holodeck! They're trapped in a fake Enterprise inside the holodeck without realizing it.

Woah! cool episode, I miss the sci-fi programs. TV is just full of shite these days, its either stupid soaps (have you ever noticed that in soaps they never talk about anything outside of the soap world? is that programming? me thinks so!) or stupid chat shows. There are no interesting programmes anymore; they are some though you have to look through the trash. Threes a star trek episode where they go into a Sherlock holmes era and data is holmes. And professor moriarty comes out of the holodeck into reality!

myeika
14-05-2007, 11:26 PM
Hey real cool film..... watched it this weekend......
Want to watch it again as it was so good and I am sure I have missed bits!

He Mada....... Your the second person today who has been talking about soaps! I used to be a junkie with them... but I haven't seen one now for months..... tv is only ever on to watch dvd's now lol!

ho1ogram
15-05-2007, 08:21 AM
eXistenZ is another great virtual reality film. Directed by David Cronenberg.

The way you pronounce the name of this film is a little different. The story that is shown is certainly different, and after you have seen it, you will say it is movie that is definitely different in almost every aspect. Of course, I am talking about the 2000 sci-fi thriller, 'eXistenZ', which shows that going into the world of 'virtual reality', can be weird and dangerous. 'eXistenZ' also proves that virtual reality' can be a world that one cannot be sure of being in or out of.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120907/

klinker
15-05-2007, 10:22 AM
SPOILER ALERT...........

The real interesting twist to this film which very much applies to us in our own illusionary world is that the main players in 13th Floor have not only created a virtual reality world they can jack into and experience but to their horror they have discovered that they too are virtual reality hence the baddies sent in to the virtual world to eliminate them and shut down the project. They became enlightened as it were but could not cope with this knowledge as it totally fucked up everything they thought they knew about themselves.

An excellent film.

Could we handle the real truth?

:D

mada88
17-05-2007, 10:42 PM
Indeed! can we handle the truth? I'd say for the mass of people know! we are kept in a child like state, theres hardly any adults as far as I can see! I like in the film the idea that you are downloaded into your program (like us?)

Think of the children! Don't scare the children! people say they love children so much, yet they hurt them so.