David Shayler dishing the dirt on Zionists

[thankyoudave]

Part 1 - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UceR2DncM4Q

Part 2 - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=szUTpL31Tvg

[sukyspook]

Thanks for posting OP -

Well - he's not wrong - in fact, he's spot on....

But if he didn't say he was the Messiah he might be a bit more credible with those who have a hard time believing that something is actually 'wrong'.....

sigh

[h2pogo]

messiah - liberator or would-be liberator of an oppressed people or country.
oxford dictionary

[krakhead]

Thanks for posting OP -

Well - he's not wrong - in fact, he's spot on....

But if he didn't say he was the Messiah he might be a bit more credible with those who have a hard time believing that something is actually 'wrong'.....

sigh

IMO opinion, the 'messiah' thing is like David Icke with the 'reptile' thing.

I suspect that some of the information I have read allegedly given by 'illuminati insiders', suggesting the reptile angle was deliberately fed to David as a way of helping to reduce the effect of his work, may actually be right.

I consider both David's to have produced some fantastic work, with a great message for people, BUT once the majority of people hear the 'reptile' or 'messiah' part - instant switch-off.

Shame really.

[chris]

The hackass strikes again

[wise haven]

I agree Mr. Krakhead.

Especially with David Icke - Virtually everything he has written or spoken about has been spot on and believeable....apart from the reptile thing.

I don't know much about Mr Shayler....so cannot comment.

It seems like they both possess some sort of "self sabotage" system that makes their theories unbelievable because of the more outrageous claims they make. Is this some sort of attempt to make the truth unbelievable because of the association with these two and their theories?

My personal internal jury is out......and I am left wondering - is/are these attempts at dis-information or something more benign.

[chris]

I agree Mr. Krakhead.

Especially with David Icke - Virtually everything he has written or spoken about has been spot on and believeable....apart from the reptile thing.

I don't know much about Mr Shayler....so cannot comment.

It seems like they both possess some sort of "self sabotage" system that makes their theories unbelievable because of the more outrageous claims they make. Is this some sort of attempt to make the truth unbelievable because of the association with these two and their theories?

My personal internal jury is out......and I am left wondering - is/are these attempts at dis-information or something more benign.

I think the difference between Icke and Shayler is that Icke was fed bullshit to discredit him early on in his awakening while Shayler is a willing agent of dis-info.

[krakhead]

I think the difference between Icke and Shayler is that Icke was fed bullshit to discredit him early on in his awakening while Shayler is a willing agent of dis-info.

Fair enough. Is that because he worked for 'Intelligence' Services?

Do you think his 'messiah experience' is genuine - in his experience? Or an act?

He appears to, within the 'obvious' nonsense, to be giving some good info.

:confused:

[wise haven]

I dunno Chris - I can relate to DI because of a similar experience in my own life. So I can understand his want/need to share that. Then, in retrospect, one would look back and think "maybe I shouldn't have said that in public". We live, we learn...

I really can't comment on Shayler apart from my gut reaction - which is: that he is either misguided, mad or deliberately spreading misinformation.

Who knows? I just try to re-assess people rather than coming to a judgemental final opinion. My initial impressions of Alex Jones were all negative - but in conclusion, I think he is real..........and only guilty of being "brash and loud" which most Brits do not immediately warm to.

I keep an open mind and constantly re-assess what people say :)

[phaid]

I remember talking to David several years ago after a No ID meeting when he & Annie Machon were kind enough to sign a copy of her book for me. He'd been on Alex Jones' show for the first time the week before and when I asked him what he thought of AJ's views he said he thought that they were 'a bit extreme'.

How time changes folks, eh? He's obviously been through a lot since then. Good luck to him trying to persuade the bankers etc to call round for a cup of tea, a bit of a slap on the wrist and some re-education.

[zero1]

Anyone with balls can claim to be the Messiah, but does he have Superpowers? Can he levitate, do telekinesis or telepathy? Can he control the weather? Eh?

Shayler probably cannot do any of these, but I did appreciate some of the sentiments he expressed and some of the language he used.

But he's probably MI6 still...front and centre for the Conspiracy retards! :D

[wise haven]

I remember talking to David several years ago after a No ID meeting when he & Annie Machon were kind enough to sign a copy of her book for me. He'd been on Alex Jones' show for the first time the week before and when I asked him what he thought of AJ's views he said he thought that they were 'a bit extreme'.

How time changes folks, eh? He's obviously been through a lot since then. Good luck to him trying to persuade the bankers etc to call round for a cup of tea, a bit of a slap on the wrist and some re-education.

I think the key is to remember that we all make mistakes or bad judgement calls throughout our lives - and other people are just as prone to those failings.

My analogy; I always keeps my windows open but have a good filter when the smell gets bad..........but sometimes it isn't a bad smell, just a different one ;)

[chris]

Fair enough. Is that because he worked for 'Intelligence' Services?

Do you think his 'messiah experience' is genuine - in his experience? Or an act?

Act

He appears to, within the 'obvious' nonsense, to be giving some good info.

Yes disinfo is like being given a shit sandwich and then those that eat it say they don't agree with the shit but the bread was nice and would try it again (because they are open minded).

[wise haven]

A good test;

"Follow the money"

Both the Bullshitters and the dis-info types will enjoy a disproportionately large income in relation to their actual activity.

My two pen'orth:)

[krakhead]

Yes disinfo is like being given a shit sandwich and then those that eat it say they don't agree with the shit but the bread was nice and would try it again (because they are open minded).

So what - in your opinion - is the 'shit' in David's sandwich?

That reads aggressively doesn't it? I don't mean it that way! :o

[chris]

So what - in your opinion - is the 'shit' in David's sandwich?

I was talking about Shayler. But David has a lot of shit in his sandwich, except I believe that the shit was added after he tried to give out a good sandwich.

Other than reptilians, newage bs and a lot of contradictory statements emerging from book to book the major shit is him wanting not to talk about the conspiracy side and focus now on the nature of reali'y which is very misleading as there are so many people that is using this as an excuse to watch the NWO walk all over them.

[phaid]

I think the key is to remember that we all make mistakes or bad judgement calls throughout our lives - and other people are just as prone to those failings.


Absolutely - it seems like some people on this forum will never accept others unless they have some sort of impossibly spotless record of behaviour and thinking throughout their whole lives, and nobody should ever be allowed to make a mistake or experiment with anything that might be part of some perceived 'agenda'.

'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone' etc.
Lot of people seem to be lining up with rocks in their hands these days.....:(

[krakhead]

I was talking about Shayler. But David has a lot of shit in his sandwich, except I believe that the shit was added after he tried to give out a good sandwich.

Other than reptilians, newage bs and a lot of contradictory statements emerging from book to book the major shit is him wanting not to talk about the conspiracy side and focus now on the nature of reali'y which is very misleading as there are so many people that is using this as an excuse to watch the NWO walk all over them.

I meant Shayler too! Lol! Too many Davids! ;)

[freespark]

IMO opinion, the 'messiah' thing is like David Icke with the 'reptile' thing.

I suspect that some of the information I have read allegedly given by 'illuminati insiders', suggesting the reptile angle was deliberately fed to David as a way of helping to reduce the effect of his work, may actually be right.
I consider both David's to have produced some fantastic work, with a great message for people, BUT once the majority of people hear the 'reptile' or 'messiah' part - instant switch-off.

Shame really.

Reptiles eh?

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8316692185126189734&ei=tfS5SK29FoH-jQKqkPD2DA&q=alex+collier

Interview with 'contactee' Alex Collier. He calls them Alpha Draconians...interesting stuff indeed.

Make of it what you will. :)

[freespark]

I think the key is to remember that we all make mistakes or bad judgement calls throughout our lives - and other people are just as prone to those failings.

My analogy; I always keeps my windows open but have a good filter when the smell gets bad..........but sometimes it isn't a bad smell, just a different one ;)

Absolutely - it seems like some people on this forum will never accept others unless they have some sort of impossibly spotless record of behaviour and thinking throughout their whole lives, and nobody should ever be allowed to make a mistake or experiment with anything that might be part of some perceived 'agenda'.
'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone' etc.
Lot of people seem to be lining up with rocks in their hands these days.....:(

I agree.