Yokel Masonary

[boosh_it]

Article as featured in our local rag;

http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/content/eveningstar/features/story.aspx?brand=ESTOnline&category=Features&tBrand=ESTOnline&tCategory=Features&itemid=IPED27%20Aug%202008%2016%3A47%3A40%3A280

[jacob sladder]

Nice article, and nice to see it. :):)

[elirien]

It's interesting to view masonic articles and so called myth breaking documentaries to neatly avoid manly hall, blavatsky, pike, the osirian cycle, masonic sub groups like the shriners etc. No, no, no that's not freemasonry. Freemasonry is something like the oktoberfest.

I mean these sorts of articles make me even more skeptic and suspicious. It's not even poor researched. It's blatantly empty.

Let's look at it:

WHAT'S it really like to be a freemason? Is it really a secret society bound together by strange rituals? JAMES MARSTON investigates.

Who is James Marston and how can he know about their secret dealings. If it is James Marston or even JAMES MARSTON (deified) then my mind and heart is assured about his wisdom. But let's move on.

...Or a group that keeps secrets and doesn't say much? Is this your view of the masonic movement?

You might be forgiven for thinking all of the above - the Masons have been a bit cagey about what they are and what they do.

Oh now that is quite nice. I just love being bossed around by journalists and masons. Forgiven? Oh thank you master... what a fucking idiot...

“We operate a movement that has been very successful for a long time. It is based first and foremost on having a great deal of fun.

I don't even have to comment on that. It's as empty as an ad from a human resources department of some idiot coorporation.

Upstairs there is a second temple which houses masonic artefacts and a collection of jewels.

A temple (from the Latin word templum) is a structure reserved for religious or spiritual activities, such as prayer and sacrifice, or analogous rites...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple

“We abide by the laws of the country. We are non political and non religious at our meetings and these two things are not expected to be discussed.

Hmmm?

You can't help getting the impression that being a mason is rather like a grown-up version of the boy Scouts.

I don't understand why grown men are being ridiculed by moronic journalists and of course the reader is ridiculed as well. Boy scouts? On what basis? Because they are all men?

What there isn't is much evidence of secrets and mystery - and throughout the tour no question goes unanswered.

But what about the rolled-up trouser leg stories - myth or reality?

I mean a 5 year old kid who just heard about the initiation ceremony wouldn't ask this question. Well if you don't write about it or investigate it there is nothing to find. That's physics for ya.

If you call that "rolled-up trouser leg stories", what would you call let's say muslim worship. Displaying your clothed ass in the air? What an idiot.

Well that's enough ranting for me today. I just get pissed by articles and "news stories" that would even offend a 5 year old.

[thelonious]

It's interesting to view masonic articles and so called myth breaking documentaries to neatly avoid manly hall, blavatsky, pike, the osirian cycle, masonic sub groups like the shriners etc. No, no, no that's not freemasonry. Freemasonry is something like the oktoberfest.

It is quite obvius to me that Freemasonry is a modern form of Osirianism. So is Christianity.

Blavatsky and Hall were never very popular with Freemasons as a whole. Pike was influential, but only with the more philosophical Masons, which are few and far between.

Hall's ideas are sometimes interesting, and sometimes downright looney, especially his early stuff. By the end of his life, he'd lost his spark. Weighing over 300 pounds, he commented that if he had only one wish, it will be to have a swimming pool full of chocolate pudding. Hardly an enlightened statement.

The Shrine is a complete joke. I joined it about 10 years ago, and never went back after my initiation. The ritual is juvenile, the Shrine government is corrupt, they lie about their charity, and the whole group from top to bottom is composed of drunks. Over a hundred years ago, Bro. J.D. Buck condemned the Shrine in his book "Mystic Masonry", and most of what he wrote back then still holds true today.

[elirien]

It is quite obvius to me that Freemasonry is a modern form of Osirianism. So is Christianity.

Blavatsky and Hall were never very popular with Freemasons as a whole. Pike was influential, but only with the more philosophical Masons, which are few and far between.

Hall's ideas are sometimes interesting, and sometimes downright looney, especially his early stuff. By the end of his life, he'd lost his spark. Weighing over 300 pounds, he commented that if he had only one wish, it will be to have a swimming pool full of chocolate pudding. Hardly an enlightened statement.

The Shrine is a complete joke. I joined it about 10 years ago, and never went back after my initiation. The ritual is juvenile, the Shrine government is corrupt, they lie about their charity, and the whole group from top to bottom is composed of drunks. Over a hundred years ago, Bro. J.D. Buck condemned the Shrine in his book "Mystic Masonry", and most of what he wrote back then still holds true today.

I'm not that sure about Osirianism (which is kinda rampant in Rosicrucian architecture as far as I have seen) but it does smell kind of Babylonic and Luciferian. The trilateral aspect which we can also observe in Christianity is I think one effect of those mystery religions on Christianity but I'm not finished with it so I can say that my views could change on that one any minute.

The details you provided are interesting Theolonius but don't you think as well that those grand figures of freemasonry which had a great effect even on the politics of today shouldn't be mentioned besides binge drinking and food? I think they deserve more respect even if some would be or are utter scum. At least from someone who was either a mason who tries to cover his group that he knows nothing about or who is a lazy journalist after a quick buck?

I mean this article is a joke. That guy get's money for this article and in some god forsaken place a person has to suffer horribly just because some dude can buy some diamonds. I know it's a far shot but come on now.

[thelonious]

I'm not that sure about Osirianism (which is kinda rampant in Rosicrucian architecture as far as I have seen) but it does smell kind of Babylonic and Luciferian. The trilateral aspect which we can also observe in Christianity is I think one effect of those mystery religions on Christianity but I'm not finished with it so I can say that my views could change on that one any minute.

Osirianism was sort of a natural development for an agrarian culture like the early Egyptians. They literally depended on the sun for life, and their farming took on religious overtones. Osiris himself was usually depicted in art with green skin, showing his relation to agriculture.

The central myth, called "Formula of the Dying God" by Frazer, follows what was perceived to be the death of the sun at the hands of demonic forces at the autumn equinox, and his subsequent resurrection in the spring. This myth eventually became an archetype which later expressed itself in Mithraism, Christianity, and Freemasonry.

The details you provided are interesting Theolonius but don't you think as well that those grand figures of freemasonry which had a great effect even on the politics of today shouldn't be mentioned besides binge drinking and food? I think they deserve more respect even if some would be or are utter scum. At least from someone who was either a mason who tries to cover his group that he knows nothing about or who is a lazy journalist after a quick buck?

I personally don't think there were many Masons that had much influence on today's politics, although they may have had great influence at one time. Washington and Franklin are pretty good examples for the USA, Frederick the Great in Germany, and Churchill in the UK. But now these people are mostly just given lip service, while their actual principles and beliefs are generally ignored.

I mean this article is a joke. That guy get's money for this article and in some god forsaken place a person has to suffer horribly just because some dude can buy some diamonds. I know it's a far shot but come on now.

I think the article was just an attempt to make a few bucks by playing on people's curiousity. I think he's right in the sense that there's really not much to see, which is why most Masons eventually drop out due to boredom with it and witnessing hypocrisy.

[elirien]

Osirianism was sort of a natural development for an agrarian culture like the early Egyptians. They literally depended on the sun for life, and their farming took on religious overtones. Osiris himself was usually depicted in art with green skin, showing his relation to agriculture.

The central myth, called "Formula of the Dying God" by Frazer, follows what was perceived to be the death of the sun at the hands of demonic forces at the autumn equinox, and his subsequent resurrection in the spring. This myth eventually became an archetype which later expressed itself in Mithraism, Christianity, and Freemasonry.

I think that's the exoteric and not the esoteric. I can't believe that it is that simple and I think I have to listen to some more of The Hour of the Time (which I seriously recommend to anyone). If you'd like I can send you a link that have their shows online.



I personally don't think there were many Masons that had much influence on today's politics, although they may have had great influence at one time. Washington and Franklin are pretty good examples for the USA, Frederick the Great in Germany, and Churchill in the UK. But now these people are mostly just given lip service, while their actual principles and beliefs are generally ignored.

Oh come on. There are. How can't there be. I mean that comes to the debate were we honestly can say that we know every freemason and that all of them are void of religious and political influence. We shouldn't do that thelonious.


I think the article was just an attempt to make a few bucks by playing on people's curiousity. I think he's right in the sense that there's really not much to see, which is why most Masons eventually drop out due to boredom with it and witnessing hypocrisy.

True. Actually very true. I doubt that most Masons know anything about what they are teached or what they are doing. It is true that for most Masons masonry is really just a fraternity. I can believe that. Although Masonry isn't just that as we both know.

We need less people like that idiot James Marston that's for sure. He should write for Bild or some other tabloid. At least there it is fun to read such stuff.