Aleister Crowley and the Illuminati

[maggietoh]

What is the Illuminati's view on Crowley? Did they take him seriously at all?

Watched a documentary on him.

--maggie

[thirdwave]

You will find today anyone that is interested in the occult arts will at least show an interest in him because he was a very strong figure in that movement and was ahead of his time....


But his whole message was about compleatly obliterating any oppression on human emotion and freedoms.... sometimes to the point where like a crazed scientist he like to push it to extreme....


what the Illuminati's view of him was who knows... the Freemasons refused to acknowledge him as a Freemason and he made many enemy's with them...

In a while this thread will be caked with links showing how he was a member of them and a total scum... yadda yadda...

But I recommend you do deeper research on the guy and listen to the other side.... as if you want to see him as an evil Satanist who is the scum of the earth there is shed loads of it the net...

he was a man ahead of his times ... he knew what man kind had been oppressed with... so new what back lash this would create... the 60s being the first sign....

I think today, just my opinion, I would guess that the PTB would see him as a crazy man who hey would rather not see around today but knew he was not a fool..... maybe they would think if he was around today they would love to try and suck him in... like they do with many strong characters today... although I think they may have tried back then and failed.

Im out of here before the thought police get here with there hammers.

[rich157]

Because the books Aleister Crowley wrote were exposing the secrets of the occult, in 1912 Crowley received an unexpected visit at his flat in Victoria Street, London, from one Theodar Reuss, a high ranking German Freemason, and also an agent of the German Secret Police. Reuss had come over from Germany for the express purpose of meeting Crowley and accusing him of giving away magical secrets. Among the occultists, giving away secrets is a crime punishable by death, as it is in Freemasonry. And since there is very little difference between any of these Secret Societies, this vow of secrecy applies to all occultists.



Now this Theodar Reuss was not only a high ranking German Freemason, but belonged to another Secret Society called ORDO TEMPLI ORIENTIS, or Order of the Templars of the East, that the infamous pot-smoking Madame Blavatsky and Karl Relier an associate of Blavatsky, founded in 1902.Now, special attention should be given to this "Ordo Templi Orientis," for it centers around much of the Antichrist movement among our young people today! The Ordo Templi Orientis claimed that it could communicate in nine Degrees the secrets not only of Freemasonry, but of the Rosicrucians, The Illuminati, the Order of the Holy Grail, the Knights of the Holy Ghost, and the Holy Sepulchre. Blavatsky and her associates claimed they were the key which opens up all Masonic and Hermetic secrets, namely, the teaching of sexual magic (Phallicism), and this doctrine of sexual magic would explain, without exception, all the secrets of Nature, all the symbolism of Freemasonry, and all systems of religion.



So, since Crowley was very learned in these areas and was revealing these things to the ordinary reader in his books, Reuss was sent to tell Crowley: "Since you know our hidden sex teachings, you'd better come into our Order." Crowley agreed, and after a journey to Berlin, he was transformed with due ceremony into the Supreme and Holy King of Ireland, Iona, and all them Britons that are in the Sanctuary of the Gnosis.



Important enough to be told to join them or die ??

They should have left Crowley alone, the illuminati don't want people to learn the stuff he knew though.

[the7thdr]

Important enough to be told to join them or die ??

They should have left Crowley alone, the illuminati don't want people to learn the stuff he knew though.

Rumours of the death of 666 are highly exaggerated.

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[kingmonkey]

You will find today anyone that is interested in the occult arts will at least show an interest in him because he was a very strong figure in that movement and was ahead of his time....


But his whole message was about compleatly obliterating any oppression on human emotion and freedoms.... sometimes to the point where like a crazed scientist he like to push it to extreme....


what the Illuminati's view of him was who knows... the Freemasons refused to acknowledge him as a Freemason and he made many enemy's with them...

In a while this thread will be caked with links showing how he was a member of them and a total scum... yadda yadda...

But I recommend you do deeper research on the guy and listen to the other side.... as if you want to see him as an evil Satanist who is the scum of the earth there is shed loads of it the net...

he was a man ahead of his times ... he knew what man kind had been oppressed with... so new what back lash this would create... the 60s being the first sign....

I think today, just my opinion, I would guess that the PTB would see him as a crazy man who hey would rather not see around today but knew he was not a fool..... maybe they would think if he was around today they would love to try and suck him in... like they do with many strong characters today... although I think they may have tried back then and failed.

Im out of here before the thought police get here with there hammers.

Any recommended reading?

[mr jones]

the secrets of aleister crowley by amado crowley.
5/5

[maggietoh]

So in spite of his knowledge, he might simply have been from the "wrong" bloodline?

The documentary made it look like he had a highschooler's view of the world, which would explain his popularity with the younger set.

[bendoon]

What is the Illuminati's view on Crowley? Did they take him seriously at all?

Watched a documentary on him.

--maggie

He served a good purpose for them wether he knew it or not. In other words he was either one of them or a "Usefull Idiot"

[thirdwave]

Any recommended reading?

http://www.amazon.com/Legend-Aleister-Crowley-Israel-Regardie/dp/094140420X

[gold]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=W6_FnsrAWGg

[mondo23]

the secrets of aleister crowley by amado crowley.
5/5

Ive read that. He's a fraud.

[thelonious]

What is the Illuminati's view on Crowley? Did they take him seriously at all?

Watched a documentary on him.

--maggie

Theodore Reuss attempted to reform the Illuminati in his creation of a society called Ordo Templi Orientis, or O.T.O. The VIII° of the O.T.O. is divided into two sections: Pontiff of the Illuminati and Epopt of the Illuminati.

Aleister Crowley became international Grand Master of the O.T.O. (and therefore of the Reformed Illuminati as well) around 1916.

[eternal_spirit]

He served a good purpose for them wether he knew it or not. In other words he was either one of them or a "Usefull Idiot"

Both and MI6

[thetonic]

Both and MI6

exactly... They love what Crowley did to popularize the dark arts.. Look at all the poseur satanists on this forum...

Project success

[eternal_spirit]

exactly... They love what Crowley did to popularize the dark arts.. Look at all the poseur satanists on this forum...

Project success

I think some-they've trickled over from Marpat's Thelemite forum. To spread disinfo and pro Crowley propaganda. The date of joining and the nonsense they post gives them away.

[eternal_spirit]

Rumours of the death of 666 are highly exaggerated.

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Bet he's one too they communicate via numbers :rolleyes:

[thetonic]

Bet he's one too they communicate via numbers :rolleyes:

puppets of satan all of them

[damagedbrainn]

Rally the troops:

http://christianforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=370

[keenly]

crowley was a nobody at the end of the day

[eternal_spirit]

crowley was a nobody at the end of the day


More powerfull than the black pope :rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

quote: damagedbrainn

This comes from his autobiography:
http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/confess/chapter67.html

"As a side issue, Mathers having claimed in court to be the Chief of the Rosicrucian Order, I was invaded by an innumerable concourse of the queerest imaginable people, each of whom independently asserted that he himself, and he alone, was that Chief. Having my own information on the subject, though communicating it to nobody else, I got rid of these pests as quickly as possible. One of my callers, however, did show some method in his madness; a man named Theodor Reuss --- of whom more anon. Here I must simply mention that he was Grand Master of Germany of the combined Scottish, Memphis and Mizraim Rites of Freemasonry. I remembered that I had been made a Sovereign Grand Inspector General of the 33° and last degree of the Scottish Rite in Mexico ten years before, but I had never bothered my head about it, it being evident that all freemasonry was either vain pretence, tomfollery, an excuse for drunken rowdiness, or a sinister association for political intrigues and commercial pirates. Reuss told me a good deal of the history of the various rites, which is just as confused and criminal as any other branch of history; but he did persuade me that there were a few men who took the matter seriously and believed that the foolish formalism concealed really important magical secrets.

This view was confirmed when The Arcane Schools of John Yarker came to me for review. I wrote to the author, who recognized my title to the 33° and conferred on me the grades of 95° Memphis and 90° Mizraim. It seemed as if I had somehow turned a tap. From this time on I lived in a perfect shower of diplomas, from Bucharest to Salt Lake City. I possess more exalted titles than I have ever been able to count. I am supposed to know more secret signs, tokens, passwords, grand-words, grips, and so on, than I could actually learn in a dozen lives. An elephant would break down under the insignia I am entitled to wear. The natural consequence of this was that, like Alice when she found the kings and queens and the rest showering upon her as a pack of cards, I woke up."

[krakhead]

I'd like to ask anyone who considers themselves to be 'anti-Crowley' - have any of you ever actually tried any of the techniques he taught?

Because, for me, who he worked for? I really, truly don't give a flying fuck.

I can say that I strongly feel his techniques worked for me. As psychological developmental tools they're pretty unsurpassed (although refined by many writers since).

Surely speculation about topics such as him shagging Barbara Bush's mum are gossip at best.

So. Tried and tested (and then even found to be wanting would be fine) OR repeating tired old toss about what the man did socially?


btw E.S. - GREAT choon in your sig! :)

[thirdwave]

crowley was a nobody at the end of the day

in relation to the PTB yes he was.... it was only as time went on people grew more interested in him... and its his occult works and incite that has kept his name alive... nothing else...

[marpat]

I think some-they've trickled over from Marpat's Thelemite forum. To spread disinfo and pro Crowley propaganda. The date of joining and the nonsense they post gives them away.

My thelemite forum? didnt know I owned one.

Spread disinfo and propoganda? you mean give opinions and state things as they are rather than the highly perverted versions you are so happy to push. I have put many very positive things to you regarding Crowley work and you happily ignore them because you have been programmed into seeing things in one particular light. I pity you because you do not have the moral fortituted to get beyond your highly biased mindset and see things as they are, not how other tell you how to see them.

It is a pity you screwed up when you were dabbling as it has obviously distorted your entire view when it comes to magic and led you to see only evil, which is the nature of the spirits you said harrased you.

[marpat]

quote: damagedbrainn

This comes from his autobiography:
http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/confess/chapter67.html

"As a side issue, Mathers having claimed in court to be the Chief of the Rosicrucian Order, I was invaded by an innumerable concourse of the queerest imaginable people, each of whom independently asserted that he himself, and he alone, was that Chief. Having my own information on the subject, though communicating it to nobody else, I got rid of these pests as quickly as possible. One of my callers, however, did show some method in his madness; a man named Theodor Reuss --- of whom more anon. Here I must simply mention that he was Grand Master of Germany of the combined Scottish, Memphis and Mizraim Rites of Freemasonry. I remembered that I had been made a Sovereign Grand Inspector General of the 33° and last degree of the Scottish Rite in Mexico ten years before, but I had never bothered my head about it, it being evident that all freemasonry was either vain pretence, tomfollery, an excuse for drunken rowdiness, or a sinister association for political intrigues and commercial pirates. Reuss told me a good deal of the history of the various rites, which is just as confused and criminal as any other branch of history; but he did persuade me that there were a few men who took the matter seriously and believed that the foolish formalism concealed really important magical secrets.

This view was confirmed when The Arcane Schools of John Yarker came to me for review. I wrote to the author, who recognized my title to the 33° and conferred on me the grades of 95° Memphis and 90° Mizraim. It seemed as if I had somehow turned a tap. From this time on I lived in a perfect shower of diplomas, from Bucharest to Salt Lake City. I possess more exalted titles than I have ever been able to count. I am supposed to know more secret signs, tokens, passwords, grand-words, grips, and so on, than I could actually learn in a dozen lives. An elephant would break down under the insignia I am entitled to wear. The natural consequence of this was that, like Alice when she found the kings and queens and the rest showering upon her as a pack of cards, I woke up."


And dont you think this is good. He claims that he was given all sorts of titles from initiation into freemasonry but he seems to think little of it all. After all that was given to him he 'woke up' and saw it all for what it is. If you read his works you will find that he claims the masonic rituals are empty gestures.

Reality is that his masonic ritual were not recognised by everybody. In the end who cares if he became a mason? as a person interested in various forms of magic and ritual his natural interest could have taken him in that direction anyway.

The truth of anything is in its application not the character of the person who reveals it. We could criticise Icke for being an alcoholic and drug taker but would that put you off his work? I doubt it would.

[velvetexplorer]

Has anyone seen a picture of Aleister Crowley and Barbara Bush side by side? It is freaky to say the least. Go here and scroll down about 1/3 of way down the page:
http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/oil-oto-gates-of-human-sacrifice-devils-triangle-devils-sea-the-big-one/

[krakhead]

Has anyone seen a picture of Aleister Crowley and Barbara Bush side by side? It is freaky to say the least. Go here and scroll down about 1/3 of way down the page:
http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/oil-oto-gates-of-human-sacrifice-devils-triangle-devils-sea-the-big-one/

Tried, got as far as the naked ladies........ :D

Welcome to the forum btw - hell of the thread to join in on for your first post! ;)

[eternal_spirit]

My thelemite forum? didnt know I owned one.

Spread disinfo and propoganda? you mean give opinions and state things as they are rather than the highly perverted versions you are so happy to push. I have put many very positive things to you regarding Crowley work and you happily ignore them because you have been programmed into seeing things in one particular light. I pity you because you do not have the moral fortituted to get beyond your highly biased mindset and see things as they are, not how other tell you how to see them.

It is a pity you screwed up when you were dabbling as it has obviously distorted your entire view when it comes to magic and led you to see only evil, which is the nature of the spirits you said harrased you.


Yes knew I had it right a forum that you frequent. And yes my posts and research is spot on about your religion and Crowley.

Your views are highly biased of one who is brainwashed by dogmatic belief systems you've learned from your very sad religion created by a very sad sick individual with a little help from his Masonic satanic mystery spiel oops I mean school
bum chums.


LOL there you go again still banging on about that, you manage to post this topic in almost every post..how many times have I told you and answered this (loads) I'm fine I have more control and expertise than you'll ever have over spirits and the occult. I am the real deal. you're just a wanna be Guru cling on begging for scraps off the master's table.

You're a joker aren't you :D

You go on about you don't believe in evil spirits or demons (it's all just allegory in your mind/psyche etc)
Yet you advocate the use of banishing rituals with pentagrams LOL. Oh the irony.

read it and weep sucker.

[eternal_spirit]

Okay I promise I'll try be nice to Marpat if he also want's a truce-but I must say this first......Know it alls who know not what they claim they know.

People who claim Kabbalah is the work of good(God) and if asked they can't explain how it can be put to use for any good (been waiting for Marpat's expert opinion and few others for about year:rolleyes:) and haven't really got a clue what it is and how it works (they just think they're being cool and clever about the occult) some even try impress women with it lol.

Occultists who knock the Bible and say it's nonsense, while they spend a lifetime studying occult books by insane MI6 intelligence agents such as Crowley who's books make as much sense as the Bible. (irony) Do you need map?

[eternal_spirit]

These last two posts are from the things that annoy you thread

Those that speak in psychobabble when asked a simple or complicated question (this means they haven't a clue what they're talking about) and try to come across as intelligent.

Long replys and the use of far to many words, when the words could of been condensed into fewer words (see above for example)

[damagedbrainn]

Okay I promise I'll try be nice to Marpat if he also want's a truce-but I must say this first......Know it alls who know not what they claim they know.

People who claim Kabbalah is the work of good(God) and if asked they can't explain how it can be put to use for any good (been waiting for Marpat's expert opinion and few others for about year:rolleyes:) and haven't really got a clue what it is and how it works (they just think they're being cool and clever about the occult) some even try impress women with it lol.

Occultists who knock the Bible and say it's nonsense, while they spend a lifetime studying occult books by insane MI6 intelligence agents such as Crowley who's books make as much sense as the Bible. (irony) Do you need map?

Nobody who has studied Qabalah to an adequate extent would "knock the Bible" since it originates from interpretations of the Bible. Just yet another demonstration of you not having the slightest idea what you're talking about.

Round and round we go.....I've asked you several questions to test your supposed research about Qabalah, and you were incapable of answering a single one. As I've pointed out at least twice before, you originally thought it was a religious book. The only "knowledge" you're capable of expressing about any occult topic, let alone Kabbalah, is the same stupid shit about "human sacrifice", blaspheming Jesus, and of course Jews Jews Jews! A person such as myself cannot claim to discredit a conspiracy theory while having no idea what that particular conspiracy theory says. Likewise, a person such as yourself cannot claim to discredit an "official story" without knowing what that "official story" even is.

Seriously...it's time for you to either put up or shut-up already.

[thirdwave]

Has anyone seen a picture of Aleister Crowley and Barbara Bush side by side? It is freaky to say the least. Go here and scroll down about 1/3 of way down the page:
http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/oil-oto-gates-of-human-sacrifice-devils-triangle-devils-sea-the-big-one/

I have seen them and it has to be said the photos picked show a big resemblance... but you cant prove that somone is another persons father just because they look the part... there is no real beef behind it.

But It would not bother me anyway...

it would prove nothing more than he had sex with her mother... which again does not prove much as we know he mingled with powerful people.. does not mean he knew the ins and outs of everyone he met and what there agenda is and how it would unfold.

[eternal_spirit]

Nobody who has studied Qabalah to an adequate extent would "knock the Bible" since it originates from interpretations of the Bible. Just yet another demonstration of you not having the slightest idea what you're talking about.

Round and round we go.....I've asked you several questions to test your supposed research about Qabalah, and you were incapable of answering a single one. As I've pointed out at least twice before, you originally thought it was a religious book. The only "knowledge" you're capable of expressing about any occult topic, let alone Kabbalah, is the same stupid shit about "human sacrifice", blaspheming Jesus, and of course Jews Jews Jews! A person such as myself cannot claim to discredit a conspiracy theory while having no idea what that particular conspiracy theory says. Likewise, a person such as yourself cannot claim to discredit an "official story" without knowing what that "official story" even is.

Seriously...it's time for you to either put up or shut-up already.

Thanks for proving my points in my previous posts. You're full of piss and wind and haven't got a clue how to explain how your beloved Kabbalah did you any good or can do anyone any good. Yes but many here do knock the Bible and praise the Kabbalah.

You bullshit and lie and shill like only you and Marpat can. More proof in your reply to my post.

case closed on DB

next

[eternal_spirit]

Here's absolute proof damagedbrainn is a troll how can I have any debate with someone so stupid.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32823&page=5
Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=459371#post459371)
http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/sunrise/xi.htm (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/sunrise/xi.htm)

Crowley dreamt of giving birth via his anus, androgynous/hermaphrodite (baphomet was one of his titles)

quote: damagedbrainn

Are you really dense enough to believe that? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Can you please quote the part of that article which clearly states and proves that one of Crowley's goals was to give birth through his asshole, because I've read most of Crowley's works as well as most of the articles on that website, and I've never heard this bright little theory before....not even from his most ardent critics.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=459371#post459371)
http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/sunrise/xi.htm (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/sunrise/xi.htm)

Crowley dreamt of giving birth via his anus, androgynous/hermaphrodite (baphomet was one of his titles)

quote: damagedbrainn
Well, ES? Are you going to back this up at all and explain where it came from, or is this another of the increasingly long list of stupid shit you made up?

quote eternal_spirt
With your attitude do you deserve a reply? It's there in the first paragraph on the page! have you lost your mind.


See this is the lengths he goes to to troll and try provoke a reaction.

From what I remember reading about Crowley's ideas about giving birth via his anus, was to do with blood shit and sperm from his anal sex escapades which would provide as a host to create a (golem type or egregore )
being made of thought forms or external entities to give life to the mess that dropped out his bottom.

connect the dots

The classic prototype of such an egregore is Baphomet, the alleged
egregore of the Templars, who was worshipped in the form of a bust.

An `egregore' is a magical entity that is artificially created by
the focused thoughts and desires of a medium (analogous in many ways
to Tibetan tulpas and the Golems of kabbalisitc/Cabalistic Judaism) Supposedly a medium or statue could then serve
as a tenant for the egregore, nourished by the sexual life-powers of
the members.

The blood (or excrements) attract the
spirits/demons while the sperm keeps them alive.



Crowley played around with different sexmagickal methods. One of
the OTO's secrets is the adoration of the idol Baphomet of the old
Templars. While the splinter-group, the Fraternitas Saturni
definitely tried (and still tries) to incarnate Baphomet in flesh,
Quote:

Crowley's VIII. unveiled the "pupil" that masturbating on a sigil
of a demon or meditating upon the image of a phallus would bring
power or communication with a (or one's own) divine being/Super
Ego. The IX. labelled heterosexual intercourse where the sexual
secrets were sucked out of the vagina and when not consumed (when
considered holy) put on a sigil to attract this or that demon to
fullfill the pertinent wish/order. In his "Emblems and Mode of
Use" Crowley describes the method of how to smear sperm on a
talisman/sigil in order to attract for example money.

So, basically it's about giving your energy away to feed demons.

[damagedbrainn]

Thanks for proving my points in my previous posts. You're full of piss and wind and haven't got a clue how to explain how your beloved Kabbalah did you any good or can do anyone any good. Yes but many here do knock the Bible and praise the Kabbalah.

You bullshit and lie and shill like only you and Marpat can. More proof in your reply to my post.

case closed on DB

next

I really haven't seen too many people praise the Kabbalah. Most here know as much about it as you do...ie, nothing. Which is probably why they don't express any opinion about it either way, and you apparently interpret this silence as an endorsement.

Considering how you constantly fail to address any of the questions posed to you, you really have no place complaining about the same, especially when the questions you ask demand a purely subjective answer that's easy to counter with another purely subjective opinion; which I know you would prefer due to your chronic allergy to facts. Basically, I answer something like, "Qabalah is just another form of mysticism, like Yoga or Taoism, and it's ultimate goal is union with 'God' or 'godhead' or whatever you want to call it." And then you'll respond, "Nuh-uh. Kabbalah is a Satanic form of mind-control!" And then I say, "No it's not." And you say, "Yeah it is." And so on and so on.

I don't see any point in such a long and repetitive faux-debate based solely in subjective beliefs when you are completely incapable of even demonstrating knowledge of the most basics facts of the subject being debated. Again, you're just trying to get personal in order to worm your way out of having to prove that you're supposed knowledge is as extensive as you constantly claim it is. And as long as you keep doing that, I'll keep calling you on it until you either "put-up or shut-up".

[lottie]

Can you both chill out on this thread please....cut the personal insults out!

[damagedbrainn]

The classic prototype of such an egregore is Baphomet, the alleged
egregore of the Templars, who was worshipped in the form of a bust.

An `egregore' is a magical entity that is artificially created by
the focused thoughts and desires of a medium (analogous in many ways
to Tibetan tulpas and the Golems of kabbalisitc/Cabalistic Judaism) Supposedly a medium or statue could then serve
as a tenant for the egregore, nourished by the sexual life-powers of
the members.

The blood (or excrements) attract the
spirits/demons while the sperm keeps them alive.



Crowley played around with different sexmagickal methods. One of
the OTO's secrets is the adoration of the idol Baphomet of the old
Templars. While the splinter-group, the Fraternitas Saturni
definitely tried (and still tries) to incarnate Baphomet in flesh,
Quote:

Crowley's VIII. unveiled the "pupil" that masturbating on a sigil
of a demon or meditating upon the image of a phallus would bring
power or communication with a (or one's own) divine being/Super
Ego. The IX. labelled heterosexual intercourse where the sexual
secrets were sucked out of the vagina and when not consumed (when
considered holy) put on a sigil to attract this or that demon to
fullfill the pertinent wish/order. In his "Emblems and Mode of
Use" Crowley describes the method of how to smear sperm on a
talisman/sigil in order to attract for example money.

So, basically it's about giving your energy away to feed demons.

I've lost count of how many times you posted this. Seriously. Posting the same shit over and over again doesn't show extensive knowledge, but rather very LIMITED knowledge.

[damagedbrainn]

Can you both chill out on this thread please....cut the personal insults out!

I haven't used any personal insults.

[lottie]

Im reminding everyone...

[drael]

Crowley rocks. Nuff said.

Anyways, was looking in kabbalahs tree of life or whatever its called, as an explaination for creation. It reminds be remarkably of mathematical theories of creation, like the torsion science theories, and has a logical aspect to as explaination that often is lacking in such explainations.

I know there much more to kabballah, but seems pretty interesting.

[thetonic]

Crowley rocks. Nuff said.

Anyways, was looking in kabbalahs tree of life or whatever its called, as an explaination for creation. It reminds be remarkably of mathematical theories of creation, like the torsion science theories, and has a logical aspect to as explaination that often is lacking in such explainations.

I know there much more to kabballah, but seems pretty interesting.

Thats right .. the illiminati see the world as math.. have fun with that buddy

[eternal_spirit]

I've lost count of how many times you posted this. Seriously. Posting the same shit over and over again doesn't show extensive knowledge, but rather very LIMITED knowledge.

I posted that as proof that you're a troll and a wind up merchant. Or was there another reason for such nonsense? EDIT and besides after that dumbass stunt you pulled I actually answered your questions about the topic and the link.

[eternal_spirit]

Has anyone seen a picture of Aleister Crowley and Barbara Bush side by side? It is freaky to say the least. Go here and scroll down about 1/3 of way down the page:
http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/oil-oto-gates-of-human-sacrifice-devils-triangle-devils-sea-the-big-one/

If you like that one check this out

According to researcher Greg Hallett, of greghallett.com author of the book “Hitler was a British Agent”, Hitler, Churchill, Stalin, Mao were illegitimate Rothschilds as was Queen Victoria! Tony Blair is related to the British Royal family, which would presumably make him a Rothschild relative as well.

Hallett claims that Churchill’s father, Queen Victoria’s son, Prince Edward VII, was an illegitimate child of incest between Queen Victoria and her own father, Nathan Mayor Rothschild in Rothschild’s attempt to sire a son by her.

One remaining question in the strange link between Hitler and Churchill, Aleister Crowley, is who was Aleister Crowley, 33 degree mason and a member of the Rothschild’s private coven the Golden Dawn, associate of Hitler and Churchill, involved the creation of NASA in the USA? Why was Crowley given so much power and part of the Rothschild’s private coven?

Aleister Crowley who is rumored to be the grandfather of George W. Bush? It’s just an educated hunch, but if Crowley were also an illegitimate Rothschild, it would explain everything about why George W Bush is getting away with MURDER. Is the president of the United States ALSO a Rothschild? This is just a suspicion but would explain a great deal if the case.

We now see the link between the founder of Communism and the most bloody and ruthless Communist Rulers, Stalin and Mao, and the Rothschilds, the rulers of the Luciferians, who funded Karl Marx and the Bolshevik Revolution, who put Mao in power in China, who set up, Israel, now the center of world communism.

Communism is nothing more than an expression of the Luciferian beliefs and a Rothschild plan for taking over the world.

Despite pretenses to the contrary, the United States has been controlled by the Communist Luciferians for decades led by David Rockefeller.

It is time to be honest about who are the real terrorists and who is trying to take over the world. The painful truth is the head of the terrorism is in London and is a relative of the British Royal Family. The entire power structure of this cult is built on layers upon layers of lies cemented with shame.

Forget about appearances and start doing the right thing.

Hitler Was a British Agent Part 2 of 6
VIDEO ********************/59pnpv
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=SrpazfZlwe... (http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=SrpazfZlwe8&feature=related)
some notes :
Hitler’s grandmother was gotten pregnant on August 31 in an occult ritual at the Rothschild’s Austrian mansion.. She gave birth to Hitler’s father, Elroy Hitler.
Elroy Hitler and Churchill were first cousins
Adolph Hitler was the son of an illegitiamte Rothschild, Churchill, and Stalin were all illegitimate Rothschilds

Churchill was invited to become the Prime Minister by his nephew, King George VI
Churchill was related to both the British Royal Family and the Rothschilds.
Blair is related to the British Royal Family.

Churchill was the son of King Edward the VII and Jenny Gerome Churchill
King Edward VII was the illigitimate son of Queen Victoria and Nathan Mayor Rothschilds
Queen Victoria was the daughter of Nathan Mayor Rothschild
In other words, Nathan Mayor Rothschild was having sex with his own illegitimate daughter, Queen Victoria until he gave birth to a son, King Edward VII.
Churchill’s grandfather and great grand father the same person
King Edward the 7th was a son of Nathan Mayor Rothschild.

Prince Consort Albert was the illegitimate son of a stable boy. Alexander Hensteine.

British Royal Family is a subset of the Rothschild Family
Controlled through shame.

(Note : Nathan Rothschild funded Karl Marx and two cheques Marx received are said to be displayed the British Museum.)


Related :
Re: Thatcher/Grand Hotel Guiliani/Twin Towers-Crowley ties to the Rothschilds
August 8, 2008 ********************/6nzv26


Re: Blair, Communism, the Luciferian Freemasons,and the EU
August 3, 2008 ********************/58kxrq

http://uk.messages.news.yahoo.com/Po...47&tof=1&frt=2 (http://uk.messages.news.yahoo.com/Politics/threadview?m=tm&bn=UKN-POL-Blair&tid=34647&mid=34647&tof=1&frt=2)

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24416

[drael]

Thats right .. the illiminati see the world as math.. have fun with that buddy

What the frak is that suppose to mean? get up the wrong side of the bed? dont like people making analysis, doing research or forming opinions....

That kinda attitude must make life's experience quite hard for you......Try and accept others opinions, we live in a diverse world, anything less is pushing sand uphill.

oh, and just out of curiosity, many many great minds have said the world is based on math..there are examples from the trion neuron system of the frontal cortex, golden mean and fibbonnaci, physics etc....soo...ahh.. whats ur counterargument that the world isnt based on math?

Its a silly example, but ever notice how things tend to come in three - for example, if u almost bump into someone on the street, u switch direction, then on the third attempt u negotiate directions with the person...

[thirdwave]

Crowley rocks. Nuff said.


I agree.

[marpat]

Yes knew I had it right a forum that you frequent. And yes my posts and research is spot on about your religion and Crowley.

Your views are highly biased of one who is brainwashed by dogmatic belief systems you've learned from your very sad religion created by a very sad sick individual with a little help from his Masonic satanic mystery spiel oops I mean school
bum chums.


LOL there you go again still banging on about that, you manage to post this topic in almost every post..how many times have I told you and answered this (loads) I'm fine I have more control and expertise than you'll ever have over spirits and the occult. I am the real deal. you're just a wanna be Guru cling on begging for scraps off the master's table.

You're a joker aren't you :D

You go on about you don't believe in evil spirits or demons (it's all just allegory in your mind/psyche etc)
Yet you advocate the use of banishing rituals with pentagrams LOL. Oh the irony.

read it and weep sucker.

Wrong really because I have actuall only about 10 posts on it. I never really use it!!!

Oh, I forgot. You claim to have mastered kundalini as well. Perhaps you should just tell us how things are by using your god consciousness rather than having to resort to pathetic links. You certainly have no control over the spirits of falsehood and deception as you are happy to use their powers to suit your own agenda.

I think you have not fully banished those spirits you invoked when you were dabbling as they have obviously destroyed your capacity for rational thought.

I notice your use of sexual inuendo. Just goes to prove that you have an overbearing obsession with sex. Sign of a repressed mind that.

[velvetexplorer]

haha! Thanks, krakhead. I'm not known for my shyness. ;)

[eternal_spirit]

Wrong really because I have actuall only about 10 posts on it. I never really use it!!!

Oh, I forgot. You claim to have mastered kundalini as well. Perhaps you should just tell us how things are by using your god consciousness rather than having to resort to pathetic links. You certainly have no control over the spirits of falsehood and deception as you are happy to use their powers to suit your own agenda.

I think you have not fully banished those spirits you invoked when you were dabbling as they have obviously destroyed your capacity for rational thought.

I notice your use of sexual inuendo. Just goes to prove that you have an overbearing obsession with sex. Sign of a repressed mind that.

See you've been spending too much time out in the abyss again, clouded the mind. Be carefull you may end up a babbling fool like your master Crowley, Oh too late you didn't heed my warnings.

[eternal_spirit]

I


btw E.S. - GREAT choon in your sig! :)

Found another version done 12 years later

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1gopdN3yTI

[marpat]

See you've been spending too much time out in the abyss again, clouded the mind. Be carefull you may end up a babbling fool like your master Crowley, Oh too late you didn't heed my warnings.

Warnings can only be given by people who know. You dabbled, got burned and ran away crying from fright. Why should I listen to you, a magic washout? maybe if you had succeded then I would have some respect for your thinking but you failed miserably. Talk about being stuck in the abyss, you ran away at the first hurdle. You would never even reach the point where you have to confront such a negative experience. It is sad that a person who is so obviously a magical flop professes to give people warnings about the path.

[eternal_spirit]

Warnings can only be given by people who know. You dabbled, got burned and ran away crying from fright. Why should I listen to you, a magic washout? maybe if you had succeded then I would have some respect for your thinking but you failed miserably. Talk about being stuck in the abyss, you ran away at the first hurdle. You would never even reach the point where you have to confront such a negative experience. It is sad that a person who is so obviously a magical flop professes to give people warnings about the path.

lmao you're a demented parroted. I have no fear of the occult. You know me not so judge not what you know and neither do you know my experiences so you just make shit up.


Like i've said before I know more than you and have had far more experiences of the spiritual than yourself will have following Crowley's insane ideas and philosophies.

So, tell us about what rituals you do and have done with the OTO?

Have fun in the abyss
they're waiting for you.

[eternal_spirit]

If you got nothing useful to say (don't bother) heard it all before and been through these debates too many times already. And it's leading nowhere except the rant room. Chill out listen to some music man.

[duckingdafta]

quite fun reading this thread.. :p

<just waiting for stuff like
Oh! thou art overcome: we are upon thee; our delight is all over thee: hail! hail: prophet of Nu! prophet of Had! prophet of Ra-Hoor-Khu! Now rejoice! now come in our splendour & rapture! Come in our passionate peace, & write sweet words for the Kings!

whatever it means!

[marpat]

lmao you're a demented parroted. I have no fear of the occult. You know me not so judge not what you know and neither do you know my experiences so you just make shit up.


Like i've said before I know more than you and have had far more experiences of the spiritual than yourself will have following Crowley's insane ideas and philosophies.

So, tell us about what rituals you do and have done with the OTO?

Have fun in the abyss
they're waiting for you.

There is a nice pool in the abyss, heated and everything. Pity you wont get to splash around in the dark corner you ran to hide in. I think occult books should have a health warning 'stupid dabbling by idiots can seriously damage your mental health'. It would have saved you a lot of time and trouble.

For somebody who knows so much you dont display it very well. You are also too dependant upon the words of others rather than displaying your own 'wisdom'.

You did claim that you have raised kundalini, you did claim that you dabbled and ended up being harrased by evil spirits, that you then resorted to magic to to banish. These are the facts, as posted by you in your threads. If I wanted to make things up I could far more creative. You must have some real ability if you raised kundalini. Usually it takes years or preperation and guidance to do it safely but you claim you circumvented this process. Maybe you are a natural master who has come to lead us with your wisdom. Did any psychic phenomena occur while you were undergoing this transformation as it is quite common?

[thirdwave]

I have no fear of the occult.

lol, classic... 10/10 for comedy value!

The thing is ES, its not Marpet or anyone else who has a job of telling you what they get up to in their own time and what they like...

YOU are the one telling others what not to do.

Me, Marpet, DB and the others who are defending occult do not tell people what to do or what not to do, we simply let people know what we do, or what we think.

There for it is very imposing and ignorant to demand that someone tells you what you want to hear.

In all this yabbering all you have done as Caked the whole forum with repetitive views from your selection of researchers, But you have not really given any detail of your own experiences.

It is YOU who should be telling Marpet and the others here what you got up to and what happened, if it is quite personal Im sure there are ways to subtly explain what happened, and judging by your dogmatic desire to create as many threads on it as possible I would have thought it is something you would have done a while ago now.

you have not turned anyone against the occult or Crowley in fact in this time I have had exchanged more PMs from people showing an interest in it..

either tell us what you have gone through and be genuine or Im not sure what else you are aiming to achieve...

I enjoy reading Crowleys works and feel along any short comings he may of had I think he was a wise chap and well worth a read, and I will continue to think that and will continue to read his works should the mood fit, nothing you or anyone says will effect that one tiny inch... I think I speak the same for anyone else defending him here...

So what's the deal?

[eternal_spirit]

There is a nice pool in the abyss, heated and everything. Pity you wont get to splash around in the dark corner you ran to hide in. I think occult books should have a health warning 'stupid dabbling by idiots can seriously damage your mental health'. It would have saved you a lot of time and trouble.

For somebody who knows so much you dont display it very well. You are also too dependant upon the words of others rather than displaying your own 'wisdom'.

You did claim that you have raised kundalini, you did claim that you dabbled and ended up being harrased by evil spirits, that you then resorted to magic to to banish. These are the facts, as posted by you in your threads. If I wanted to make things up I could far more creative. You must have some real ability if you raised kundalini. Usually it takes years or preperation and guidance to do it safely but you claim you circumvented this process. Maybe you are a natural master who has come to lead us with your wisdom. Did any psychic phenomena occur while you were undergoing this transformation as it is quite common?


Polly want a cracker? Two can play this game
Now tell us about the rituals you did and do with the OTO?

I've answered you before (NO I never used any banishing rituals and have allready explained as you well know.

One more time for those with no memory (or those who are wind up merchants most here seem to be Crowley idolisers)

How does anyone know the difference between a spirit, lucid dream, hallucanation, a man made holographic beam, the so called best mediums etc could be fooled

I think most occult books were written by babbling idiots for babling idiots such as you.

[eternal_spirit]

quite fun reading this thread.. :p

<just waiting for stuff like

quote:
Oh! Thou art overcome: We are upon thee; our delight is all over thee: Hail! Hail: Prophet of nu! Prophet of had! Prophet of ra-hoor-khu! Now rejoice! Now come in our splendour & rapture! Come in our passionate peace, & write sweet words for the kings!
whatever it means!

lol

[marpat]

Polly want a cracker? Two can play this game
Now tell us about the rituals you did and do with the OTO?

I've answered you before (NO I never used any banishing rituals and have allready explained as you well know.

One more time for those with no memory (or those who are wind up merchants most here seem to be Crowley idolisers)

How does anyone know the difference between a spirit, lucid dream, hallucanation, a man made holographic beam, the so called best mediums etc could be fooled

I think most occult books were written by babbling idiots for babling idiots such as you.


I guess what you are doing here is denying the statements you made in earlier posts.

Does this mean that your claim of raising kundalini was false? does this mean that your claim to dabbling in magic and subsequent harrassment by spirits was false? does this mean that when you claimed you banished these spirits by magical methods that this was also false? you are making yourself to be a liar.

I have undergone a number of initiation ceremonies that pertain to specific grades but I feel it inappropriate to discuss such details publicly with a non-member. You are free to join and find out for yourself and if you were a true researcher you would do it, even if it was just to find out what the reality is. If you dont like it you are free to leave, simple as that. What is preventing you doing this, fear perhaps? if you have no fear of the occult and believe that magic is a load of rubbish as you claim then you will be in no danger at all. We may even get to shake hands if we cross paths.

[eternal_spirit]

lol, classic... 10/10 for comedy value!

The thing is ES, its not Marpet or anyone else who has a job of telling you what they get up to in their own time and what they like...

YOU are the one telling others what not to do.

Me, Marpet, DB and the others who are defending occult do not tell people what to do or what not to do, we simply let people know what we do, or what we think.

There for it is very imposing and ignorant to demand that someone tells you what you want to hear.

In all this yabbering all you have done as Caked the whole forum with repetitive views from your selection of researchers, But you have not really given any detail of your own experiences.

It is YOU who should be telling Marpet and the others here what you got up to and what happened, if it is quite personal Im sure there are ways to subtly explain what happened, and judging by your dogmatic desire to create as many threads on it as possible I would have thought it is something you would have done a while ago now.

you have not turned anyone against the occult or Crowley in fact in this time I have had exchanged more PMs from people showing an interest in it..

either tell us what you have gone through and be genuine or Im not sure what else you are aiming to achieve...

I enjoy reading Crowleys works and feel along any short comings he may of had I think he was a wise chap and well worth a read, and I will continue to think that and will continue to read his works should the mood fit, nothing you or anyone says will effect that one tiny inch... I think I speak the same for anyone else defending him here...

So what's the deal?

You took your time. I'm not going to explain anything that I haven't said before, becasue I remeber what happened last 1000 times we've debated all this stuff it goes in one ear and out the other. besides you don't believe a word I say and what I do say you'll twist it anyway.

Or you're just like marpat damagedbrainn total wind up merchants liars and trolls (and I know many here also know this) so I'll not waste any more time with any of you on this thread.

[krakhead]

I think most occult books were written by babbling idiots for babling idiots

You know, I'm tempted to agree with you on that point! :p

[marpat]

You took your time. I'm not going to explain anything that I haven't said before, becasue I remeber what happened last 1000 times we've debated all this stuff it goes in one ear and out the other. besides you don't believe a word I say and what I do say you'll twist it anyway.

Or you're just like marpat damagedbrainn total wind up merchants liars and trolls (and I know many here also know this) so I'll not waste any more time with any of you on this thread.

The false prohpet has admitted defeat:D

[eternal_spirit]

:D

[duckingdafta]

There is a nice pool in the abyss, heated and everything.

sorry I just got to as that word keeps popping up..:
The question of the crossing of the abyss now
arises, and we reach a consideration of the Brothers of the
Left Hand Path.

is it just one of them 'in' words?

[thirdwave]

You took your time. I'm not going to explain anything that I haven't said before, becasue I remeber what happened last 1000 times we've debated all this stuff it goes in one ear and out the other. besides you don't believe a word I say and what I do say you'll twist it anyway.

ok so moving aside all the hog wash, you do not intend to tell us about any experiences you may have had, yet you expect everyone to live on every word you say.... and more to the point while attacking people you expect them to tell you about what they have done still...

since when did your privacy take the priority here?


Or you're just like marpat damagedbrainn total wind up merchants liars and trolls (and I know many here also know this) so I'll not waste any more time with any of you on this thread.


ES, you lie %50 of the time, back track, and provoke.... if there is a troll on this form not only are you it but you would stand a good chance of being one of the biggest trolls on the internet! LOL

You don't support Ickes work unless its when you want to blabber on about Crowley,

You constantly Push AWs work who clearly opposes Ickes work and has attacked it openly.

and You constantly defend Christianity and up hold the story of Jesus Christ, looking to create conflicting views with religious groups..

Yet you probably have the biggest post count on the David Icke forum! , though you promote pretty much %90 of what he opposes.

I have ONE conflicting view with Ickes work regarding Crowley and you have the cheek and ignorance to call me a troll? ...

LOL

[eternal_spirit]

ok so moving aside all the hog wash, you do not intend to tell us about any experiences you may have had, yet you expect everyone to live on every word you say.... and more to the point while attacking people you expect them to tell you about what they have done still...

since when did your privacy take the priority here?



ES, you lie %50 of the time, back track, and provoke.... if there is a troll on this form not only are you it but you would stand a good chance of being one of the biggest trolls on the internet! LOL

You don't support Ickes work unless its when you want to blabber on about Crowley,

You constantly Push AWs work who clearly opposes Ickes work and has attacked it openly.

and You constantly defend Christianity and up hold the story of Jesus Christ, creating conflicting views between religious groups..

Yet you probably have the biggest post count on the David Icke forum!

I have ONE conflicting view with Ickes work regarding Crowley and you have the cheek and ignorance to call me a troll? ...

LOL
More lies as usual from a troll and a bullshiter.

[thirdwave]

More lies as usual from a troll and a bullshiter.

I rest my case. and with that I will go back to the blissful world of ES does not exist...

[eternal_spirit]

I rest my case. and with that I will go back to the blissful world of ES does not exist...

Suits me fine :)

[marpat]

sorry I just got to as that word keeps popping up..:


is it just one of them 'in' words?

The abyss is a negative barrier that people need to overcome to reach complete self mastery. This is where you confront your own inner demon and either win or get knocked back to pick yourself up and try again.

[damagedbrainn]

Polly want a cracker? Two can play this game
Now tell us about the rituals you did and do with the OTO?

I've answered you before (NO I never used any banishing rituals and have allready explained as you well know.

One more time for those with no memory (or those who are wind up merchants most here seem to be Crowley idolisers)

How does anyone know the difference between a spirit, lucid dream, hallucanation, a man made holographic beam, the so called best mediums etc could be fooled

I think most occult books were written by babbling idiots for babling idiots such as you.

Nice contradiction. If you really believed that the occult was nothing more than babbling idiocy, then you wouldn't be so concerned about it. Instead, you claim that it's a method of mind-control, human sacrifice, and just generally gaining some sort of supernatural powers from Satan. Now all of sudden, you just think it's rubbish. Are you trying to prove that it's "evil", or trying to prove that it's just nonsense? Because it can't be both. After all, how can such diabolical powers which you claim occultists seek and gain be achieved through the practice of nonsense? You don't even seem to care about making a consistent point, so what is your priority?

Why don't you take a break until you can figure out what's on your own mind.

[lizzy]

I rest my case. and with that I will go back to the blissful world of ES does not exist...

Yes, thirdway, that place will be ruled by psychopaths, evil, greedy with an unquenchable lust for total control over everything the body requires to survive..what good is consciouness then , when the body temple is poisoned , rationed and denied.

.a world of bliss for them and enslavement for the rest.

Why do you do their bidding? Promoting the NWO's agenda ........

[lizzy]

The abyss is a negative barrier that people need to overcome to reach complete self mastery. This is where you confront your own inner demon and either win or get knocked back to pick yourself up and try again.

Yes, but we don't need Lucifer, Satan, Crowleys' or the NWO's one world religion of corrupt law to help us back on our feet.

[bendoon]

Why do you do their bidding? Promoting the NWO's agenda ........

I would like to know that too ?

[krakhead]

I would like to know that too ?

Pure cold hard cash my friends :p

[eternal_spirit]

I would like to know that too ?

I've laid out the facts (quotes from Crowley's books) his Masonic degrees his involvement with Rotshchild the double agent who was working with the Zionist communists. And all the other theories so he cannot deny/claim ignorance.

I could and have gone into other things in great depth but I'd be wasting my time.

[marpat]

Yes, but we don't need Lucifer, Satan, Crowleys' or the NWO's one world religion of corrupt law to help us back on our feet.

Pure gibberish. You haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Try doing a bit of original research rather than following the status quo.

How do you expect to find any depth of truth when all you are responding to are the shallow images on the surface. Some medicines may taste bad in the mouth but they can restore your well being and the same is true for many things in magic. The teachings are often couched in terms that frighten the weak of mind and the unworthy, those who would take and give nothing back, and who would pollute and distort. Magic and occultism have never been for the masses purely because the masses lack the type of mind to make any real progress.

[lizzy]

exactly... They love what Crowley did to popularize the dark arts.. Look at all the poseur satanists on this forum...

Project success

yes, thetonic, they slither everywhere......their master would be pleased.:eek: LOL

[thirdwave]

Yes, thirdway, that place will be ruled by psychpaths, evil, greedy with an unquenchable lust for total control over everything the body requires to survive..what good is consciouness then , when the body temple is poisoned , rationed and denied.

.a world of bliss for them and enslavement for the rest.

Why do you do their bidding? Promoting the NWO's agenda ........

Thanks for that amazing info Lizzard, ground braking stuff!

[eternal_spirit]

Pure gibberish. You haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Try doing a bit of original research rather than following the status quo.

How do you expect to find any depth of truth when all you are responding to are the shallow images on the surface. Some medicines may taste bad in the mouth but they can restore your well being and the same is true for many things in magic. The teachings are often couched in terms that frighten the weak of mind and the unworthy, those who would take and give nothing back, and who would pollute and distort. Magic and occultism have never been for the masses purely because the masses lack the type of mind to make any real progress.

Poison can also taste bad.

Spoken like a true Elitest mindset with Eugenicist overtones/undertones.

[lizzy]

Pure cold hard cash my friends :p

krakkers,;) you dark horse, LOL........... you were always ace with me.:D

[eternal_spirit]

yes, thetonic, they slither everywhere......their master would be pleased.:eek: LOL

slippery slimey trolls and liars sort of snake like behaviour.

[lizzy]

Pure gibberish. You haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Try doing a bit of original research rather than following the status quo.

How do you expect to find any depth of truth when all you are responding to are the shallow images on the surface. Some medicines may taste bad in the mouth but they can restore your well being and the same is true for many things in magic. The teachings are often couched in terms that frighten the weak of mind and the unworthy, those who would take and give nothing back, and who would pollute and distort. Magic and occultism have never been for the masses purely because the masses lack the type of mind to make any real progress.


Pull the other one marpet it's cloven, LOL.........:eek::eek::eek:

"unworthy", we're all unworthy of this empowering magick......LOL...what a sick joke......:rolleyes::rolleyes:

"pollute and distort"...., this is what YOU do with YOUR Satanic crap .......

Your just another NWO midget........

[eternal_spirit]

Pull the other one marpet it's cloven, LOL.........:eek::eek::eek:

"unworthy", we're all unworthy of this empowering magick......LOL...what a sick joke......:rolleyes::rolleyes:

"pollute and distort"...., this is what YOU do with YOUR Satanic crap .......

Your just another NWO midget........

:D

Aren't trolls midgets?

[krakhead]

:D

Aren't trolls midgets?

I think they like to be called 'little entities'

[marpat]

Pull the other one marpet it's cloven, LOL.........:eek::eek::eek:

"unworthy", we're all unworthy of this empowering magick......LOL...what a sick joke......:rolleyes::rolleyes:

"pollute and distort"...., this is what YOU do with YOUR Satanic crap .......

Your just another NWO midget........

Funny isnt it that people say knowledge is power. You feel you have so much knowledge but you are absolutely powerless to avoid your fate.

If you know so much then why dont you do something with all this knowledge you have. You can tell us we are evil and wrong but until you do something constructive about it then your ideas are worthless postulations.

My satanic crap? new to me. You might need to develop that a bit further in order to make a point. I guess the modus operandi of the conspiracy theorist is to continue to throw accusations at people and pray that something just sticks at some point. Even if 99% of what you say is wrong you will feel justified by 1% success. I think your method is truly satanic. Instead of allowing people the freedom to find their own way and to come so self knowledge you tell people they are wrong and evil and satanic for doing things that YOU do not like. In this way you try to repress the growth and development of other people just because you disagree with their path. You tie people ideas and religions into some perverse organisation in order to frighten people into believing what YOU believe, manipulating their beliefs to suit yourself. You are the enemy of freedom of thought, speech and expression.

You too are a NWO midget. Every day you live you live within their system, you work for their money and pay taxes to them. The only place you have any freedom is within your head and even that is pinned donw by fear and paranoia. Perhaps you can find a place where you can live outside of their system. It will probably mean you cant get access to the internet though, which will be a huge burden for us.

[lizzy]

could be black dwarfs, turning into red dwarfs.......they've been flying around in this snakeship for along time.........

[lizzy]

I think they like to be called 'little entities'

Totally........:D

[bendoon]

Wonder if any of the Satanists here get an invite to Bohemia Grove, thats when you know you've made it to the big time.

[lizzy]

Funny isnt it that people say knowledge is power. You feel you have so much knowledge but you are absolutely powerless to avoid your fate.

If you know so much then why dont you do something with all this knowledge you have. You can tell us we are evil and wrong but until you do something constructive about it then your ideas are worthless postulations.

My satanic crap? new to me. You might need to develop that a bit further in order to make a point. I guess the modus operandi of the conspiracy theorist is to continue to throw accusations at people and pray that something just sticks at some point. Even if 99% of what you say is wrong you will feel justified by 1% success. I think your method is truly satanic. Instead of allowing people the freedom to find their own way and to come so self knowledge you tell people they are wrong and evil and satanic for doing things that YOU do not like. In this way you try to repress the growth and development of other people just because you disagree with their path. You tie people ideas and religions into some perverse organisation in order to frighten people into believing what YOU believe, manipulating their beliefs to suit yourself. You are the enemy of freedom of thought, speech and expression.

You too are a NWO midget. Every day you live you live within their system, you work for their money and pay taxes to them. The only place you have any freedom is within your head and even that is pinned donw by fear and paranoia. Perhaps you can find a place where you can live outside of their system. It will probably mean you cant get access to the internet though, which will be a huge burden for us.


wow. .......marpet, well done........

CONFESSION IS GOOD FOR THE SOUL.......

but if there is a Satan , it comes in the guise of the NWO

AND YOU HAVE SOLD YOURS.....

[krakhead]

Wonder if any of the Satanists here get an invite to Bohemia Grove, thats when you know you've made it to the big time.

They're desperate to get me there! Give it some credibility like :cool:

[lizzy]

Wonder if any of the Satanists here get an invite to Bohemia Grove, thats when you know you've made it to the big time.

They only get to lick boots from afar.....even then they'll recieve no respect...none and never shall,......

These satanic goffers are a bit like the jewish community , betrayed by their own Levi's paying that price to promote Isreal,....dispensable

but now also souless, with a strong fascist jib.

[damagedbrainn]

Yes, but we don't need Lucifer, Satan, Crowleys' or the NWO's one world religion of corrupt law to help us back on our feet.

Exaggerated hyperbole is the lowest form of debate.

Though the name may sound vaguely familiar, most people don't even really know who Aleister Crowley is, nor are most people at all familiar with the occult. So you can rest comfortably in the assurance that there will likely never be a worldwide church of Crowleyianity. He's not exactly "bigger than Jesus".

[damagedbrainn]

I've laid out the facts (quotes from Crowley's books) his Masonic degrees his involvement with Rotshchild the double agent who was working with the Zionist communists. And all the other theories so he cannot deny/claim ignorance.

I could and have gone into other things in great depth but I'd be wasting my time.

Copying and pasting the same sources again and again is not going into "depth". I can't think of anything more shallow.

And the supposed Rothschild thing you're referring to was just another rehashing of that stupid Crowley-Barbara Bush prank, which you all astoundingly continue to take seriously.

One thing about this place that I'll never understand is how so many people are willing and eager to overlook and excuse such blatant gullibility. It's like ignoring a degenerative disease.

You all will literally believe anything. Being open-minded is one thing, but like anything else, it can be taken to an unhealthy, destructive extreme; and you reach that extreme once you throw all standards and critical thinking out the window. Then you become an uncritical, non-thinking automaton that will indiscriminately swallow anything that's fed to you by the "right" hand.

[eternal_spirit]

Copying and pasting the same sources again and again is not going into "depth". I can't think of anything more shallow.

And the supposed Rothschild thing you're referring to was just another rehashing of that stupid Crowley-Barbara Bush prank, which you all astoundingly continue to take seriously.

One thing about this place that I'll never understand is how so many people are willing and eager to overlook and excuse such blatant gullibility. It's like ignoring a degenerative disease.

You all will literally believe anything. Being open-minded is one thing, but like anything else, it can be taken to an unhealthy, destructive extreme; and you reach that extreme once you throw all standards and critical thinking out the window. Then you become an uncritical, non-thinking automaton that will indiscriminately swallow anything that's fed to you by the "right" hand.

I can think of plenty more shallow you and your Crowley advocates pathetic attempts at debunking real info (Crowley's own quotes and quotes from OTO people and other occultists which account for a fair amount of my posts) It's known as denying reality aka cloud cuckoo land the tactics and denial that goes on by Crowley fan boys on these threads.

EDIT this a good reason for me to leave this thread now.

[damagedbrainn]

I can think of plenty more shallow you and your Crowley advocates pathetic attempts at debunking real info (Crowley's own quotes and quotes from OTO people and other occultists which account for a fair amount of my posts) It's known as denying reality aka cloud cuckoo land the tactics and denial that goes on by Crowley fan boys on these threads.

EDIT this a good reason for me to leave this thread now.

Yeah, you always run away when someone attempts to steer the discussion away from the pointless personal jibes and the evangelical one-liners. I've demonstrated numerous times that I'm both willing and able to discuss the topics and information itself, yet you typically avoid this aspect of the discussion in favor of the personal bickering which either you or one of your ilk are usually the first to start, while simultaneously (and hypocritically) whining about how wrong it is that these discussions derail into personal arguments.

If your true priority is to discuss "real info" then, as I said earlier, put-up or shut-up. My only demand is that it be something NEW and not the exact same shit that you've posted a hundred times before and which has already been thoroughly discussed. And you'll just have to accept that "debunking" and disagreement are perfectly legitimate aspects of any discussion, and are not "personal attacks" or "personal insults". If that fact confuses or frightens you, and if you're incapable of dealing with it without losing control and flipping into preacher mode, then that's your problem; and I don't see why everyone else who has a genuine interest in these matters (both for and against) should have to be restricted just because a few lack a level-head and can't discipline themselves away from raving fanaticism.

[lizzy]

db...

Aeister Crowley was an MI5 / Illuninanzi agent.......and you want to following his teachings.........

it's all just thinly disgiused luceriferian propaganda........'moral relativism' is not what people who still know the difference between good deeds and bad apply.

Pointing a finger at eternal for all the actions you yourself take part in is quite funny really.

[krakhead]

Exaggerated hyperbole is the lowest form of debate.

PROPER exaggerated then! ;)

[eternal_spirit]

Yeah, you always run away when someone attempts to steer the discussion away from the pointless personal jibes and the evangelical one-liners. I've demonstrated numerous times that I'm both willing and able to discuss the topics and information itself, yet you typically avoid this aspect of the discussion in favor of the personal bickering which either you or one of your ilk are usually the first to start, while simultaneously (and hypocritically) whining about how wrong it is that these discussions derail into personal arguments.

If your true priority is to discuss "real info" then, as I said earlier, put-up or shut-up. My only demand is that it be something NEW and not the exact same shit that you've posted a hundred times before and which has already been thoroughly discussed. And you'll just have to accept that "debunking" and disagreement are perfectly legitimate aspects of any discussion, and are not "personal attacks" or "personal insults". If that fact confuses or frightens you, and if you're incapable of dealing with it without losing control and flipping into preacher mode, then that's your problem; and I don't see why everyone else who has a genuine interest in these matters (both for and against) should have to be restricted just because a few lack a level-head and can't discipline themselves away from raving fanaticism.


It's your lot who start the name calling and dish out the personal abuse first.
And then the lies start calling me a fundamental Christian (even when I've told all of you many times I don't follow any religion and I'm not religious)

You are sometimes the exception to the rule and will discuss in a proper manner.

I have to recap and post some of the same info because after a few pages Marpat and the thirdwave will lie about the previous posts in the hope that anyone reading will not notice their lies. So therefore I have to constantly correct said lies with real info and truth.

You start a thread and see how you like it when you put a lot of time and effort into it then some fools come along and troll, trash and call you names with lies. I think most people would flip out like I do at times under such extreme provocation plus seeing threads I've posted on sent to the rant room to be lost in that black hole of oblivion because of the same members.

[lizzy]

eternal -spirit,:)

ALL THE BEST STUFF LANDS IN THE RANT ROOM SOONER OR LATER.....

AND YOURS IN ALWAYS THE BEST.........

[lizzy]

PROPER exaggerated then! ;)

Of course, ..:D goes with the territory ........:eek:

[marpat]

wow. .......marpet, well done........

CONFESSION IS GOOD FOR THE SOUL.......

but if there is a Satan , it comes in the guise of the NWO

AND YOU HAVE SOLD YOURS.....


Yawn

[chris]

lol are you people still debating this?:D

[eternal_spirit]

lol are you people still debating this?:D

No just hurling abuse at eachother :D

[krakhead]

No just hurling abuse at eachother :D

:D:D

[damagedbrainn]

It's your lot who start the name calling and dish out the personal abuse first.
And then the lies start calling me a fundamental Christian (even when I've told all of you many times I don't follow any religion and I'm not religious)

You are sometimes the exception to the rule and will discuss in a proper manner.

I have to recap and post some of the same info because after a few pages Marpat and the thirdwave will lie about the previous posts in the hope that anyone reading will not notice their lies. So therefore I have to constantly correct said lies with real info and truth.

You start a thread and see how you like it when you put a lot of time and effort into it then some fools come along and troll, trash and call you names with lies. I think most people would flip out like I do at times under such extreme provocation plus seeing threads I've posted on sent to the rant room to be lost in that black hole of oblivion because of the same members.

From page 2 of this same thread:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34385&page=2

TheTonic: "exactly... They love what Crowley did to popularize the dark arts.. Look at all the poseur satanists on this forum...

Project success"

You reply: "I think some-they've trickled over from Marpat's Thelemite forum. To spread disinfo and pro Crowley propaganda. The date of joining and the nonsense they post gives them away."

Next you make an accusatory reply to the7thdr, which was completely unprovoked: "Bet he's one too they communicate via numbers"

And then Thetonic replies: "puppets of satan all of them"

Prior to this little exchange, people were only discussing the topic. There were no insults, provocations, snark, nor any accusations made towards other members. So enough with the bullshit already....the blame for this constant derailment needs to be placed where it belongs for once.

[mr jones]

Ive read that. He's a fraud.
you dont know what you're talking about

[thirdwave]

From page 2 of this same thread:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34385&page=2

TheTonic: "exactly... They love what Crowley did to popularize the dark arts.. Look at all the poseur satanists on this forum...

Project success"

You reply: "I think some-they've trickled over from Marpat's Thelemite forum. To spread disinfo and pro Crowley propaganda. The date of joining and the nonsense they post gives them away."

Next you make an accusatory reply to the7thdr, which was completely unprovoked: "Bet he's one too they communicate via numbers"

And then Thetonic replies: "puppets of satan all of them"

Prior to this little exchange, people were only discussing the topic. There were no insults, provocations, snark, nor any accusations made towards other members. So enough with the bullshit already....the blame for this constant derailment needs to be placed where it belongs for once.

The things ES accuses people of are basically his biggest downfalls.... he lies and back tracks all the time..

He is the kind of guy that would drop the most awful smelling fart and then start complaining about the smell and who had just farted.

and actually the word fart is a very relevant word to use in relation to his posts.

[krakhead]

The things ES accuses people of are basically his biggest downfalls.... he lies and back tracks all the time..

He is the kind of guy that would drop the most awful smelling fart and then start complaining about the smell and who had just farted.

and actually the word fart is a very relevant word to use in relation to his posts.

Oh dear, have we sunk so low? :eek:

;)

[thirdwave]

Oh dear, have we sunk so low? :eek:

;)

Well maybe it was a bit cheeky, but some of the posts do pong a bit :)

[burnzy]

Don't know much about him. Could anyone link me a good video/Read.

Thanks :)

[thelonious]

Don't know much about him. Could anyone link me a good video/Read.

Thanks :)

Aleister Crowley left behind a huge collection of books to his credit, and it's hard to pick a starting point. It's also difficult to understand what he's talking about unless the reader is already familiar with occultism, especially as taught by the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. His books were written for "advanced students", and are not extremely user-friendly for beginners.

Probably the best start would be with his autobiography, published as "The Confessions of Aleister Crowley". This is really the only book he'd ever written for the non-magician, but gives plenty of insight into his ideas, both the great ones and the crazy ones.

[eternal_spirit]

From page 2 of this same thread:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34385&page=2

TheTonic: "exactly... They love what Crowley did to popularize the dark arts.. Look at all the poseur satanists on this forum...

Project success"

You reply: "I think some-they've trickled over from Marpat's Thelemite forum. To spread disinfo and pro Crowley propaganda. The date of joining and the nonsense they post gives them away."

Next you make an accusatory reply to the7thdr, which was completely unprovoked: "Bet he's one too they communicate via numbers"

And then Thetonic replies: "puppets of satan all of them"

Prior to this little exchange, people were only discussing the topic. There were no insults, provocations, snark, nor any accusations made towards other members. So enough with the bullshit already....the blame for this constant derailment needs to be placed where it belongs for once.


Wow one thread here, after you lot trashing/trolling/spamming/shilling/attacking the messenger (for dishing the dirt on your hero) all my other threads and those I've posted much on. I'm now singled out as the bad guy for some small posts LMAO!

Quote:
Originally Posted by thirdwave http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=493189#post493189)
The things ES accuses people of are basically his biggest downfalls.... he lies and back tracks all the time..

He is the kind of guy that would drop the most awful smelling fart and then start complaining about the smell and who had just farted.

and actually the word fart is a very relevant word to use in relation to his posts.


LOL talking about yourself again I see. Because I know you have no proof to back up what you say about me, because it's another attempt at lying to make me look bad.

[kallista]

Don't know much about him. Could anyone link me a good video/Read.

Thanks :)

In short: He was a Cambridge educated multimillionaire heroin addict (think early trustafarian), a crap poet, good but callous mountain climber, excellent chess player, bad artist, a racist, would shag anything in a skirt or trousers and master bullshitter, oh and he wrote some fairly interesting but self aggrandising books some of which he claimed were channeled. He died in poverty.

He's only really famous in Britain and only because he featured in a few Daily Mail articles in the thirties and on the cover of the Sergeant Peppers album in the sixties.

Austin Spare anyone?

He comes from a long line of bullshitters who claimed to be Magicians, because it really is 70% fraud, from Casanova conning peasants out of money to Ron Hubbard's scientology.

To find out about the other 30%, you have to try it yourself.

The fairest biographies are probably Lawrence Sutin's "Do What Thou Wilt" and Martin Booths "A Magical Life"

[kallista]

Personally i prefer Israel Regardie, but there never seem to be any threads on him.

[eternal_spirit]

Excellent commentary Kallista lol.

BTW read somewhere AC claimed to be Regardie reincarnated. Think he also knew him when he was alive. If So, transmigration would be a better description.

[kallista]

Excellent commentary Kallista lol.

BTW read somewhere AC claimed to be Regardie reincarnated. Think he also knew him when he was alive. If So, transmigration would be a better description.

I've never seen that so I couldn't comment but Regardie was AC's secretary for a while.

[damagedbrainn]

Excellent commentary Kallista lol.

BTW read somewhere AC claimed to be Regardie reincarnated. Think he also knew him when he was alive. If So, transmigration would be a better description.

He claimed to be the reincarnation of Eliphas Levi, not Regardie (which is really no less impossible). Crowley was already an adult when Regardie was born.

[thirdwave]

Personally i prefer Israel Regardie, but there never seem to be any threads on him.

I have not read a whole book of his yet... get two on my shelf waiting though.... just bits and bobs I have read and just stuff about him... he is a bit more down to earth than AC from what I have seen..... fell out with Crowley for a while as well..

But he is not as easy to target as Crowley so people get more fun starting Crowley threads..

[drael]

Im starting to think that if ES agrees with marpat or thirdwave its one of the signs of the apocalpse!

Its hard to pin crowley as the premiere luciferian new age religion peddler, when the esotericism of the mainstream western culture started in the 19th century.

[kallista]

I have not read a whole book of his yet... get two on my shelf waiting though.... just bits and bobs I have read and just stuff about him... he is a bit more down to earth than AC from what I have seen..... fell out with Crowley for a while as well..

But he is not as easy to target as Crowley so people get more fun starting Crowley threads..

Yes, but it's boring now.

Regardie's energized breathing/exercise system is really worthwhile.

[thelonious]

Yes, but it's boring now.

Regardie's energized breathing/exercise system is really worthwhile.

Personally, I think Regardie was great. And Regardie's biography of Crowley, "The Eye In The Triangle: An Interpretation of Aleister Crowley", I think is the most fair Crowley biography out there.

Regardie was able to look at what was worthwhile in both Crowley and the Golden Dawn, and discard the unnecessary and pretentious. If only more occultists would follow his example.

Another good one is Paul Foster Case, who maintained a friendship with Regardie and was also an ex-GD'er.

[thelonious]

BTW read somewhere AC claimed to be Regardie reincarnated.

Crowley died in 1947, Regardie died in 1986.

I know Crowley was supposed to have been a great magician, but even for a great magician, that would have been a hell of a trick! :D

[kallista]

Anyway, AC was a very naughty boy, I suspect he wanted to punish his fundamentalist father because he didn't love him and sent him to nasty schools.

Regardie was great, 'A Garden OF Pomegranates' is my favourite, He stressed the need for psychological balance in magical workings, something AC lacked.

[thirdwave]

Crowley died in 1947, Regardie died in 1986.

I know Crowley was supposed to have been a great magician, but even for a great magician, that would have been a hell of a trick! :D

it kind of shows how much ES really knows.... he probably read that mistake of some place on google lol

[thirdwave]

Yes, but it's boring now.

Regardie's energized breathing/exercise system is really worthwhile.

I will real the middle pillar at some point..

[thelonious]

Anyway, AC was a very naughty boy

Aren't we all? ;)

I suspect he wanted to punish his fundamentalist father because he didn't love him and sent him to nasty schools.

His dad died when he was very young. His uncle was a fundie nut.

I think that you're right in that, in large part, Crowley's later life was a psychological rebellion against the fundamentalist Christian cult he was raised in. On one hand, Crowley was a true spiritual seeker, as we can see throughout his writings. But we can also see the pure hatred he had for his uncle and mother's religious zealotry.

Regardie was great, 'A Garden OF Pomegranates' is my favourite, He stressed the need for psychological balance in magical workings, something AC lacked.

Agreed.

[thirdwave]

I will read the middle pillar at some point..

just corrected my spelling as there was no edit option..