The secret behind “The Secret” is

[king]

The secret behind the film “The Secret,” a cheesy round-up of C-list motivational speakers, is Rosicrucianism, according to a recent commentary by Terry Melanson at Conspiracy Archive. The speakers in the film include one chiropractor, one-or-two New Age religious figures, and several self-described scientists. All make non-scientific connections between physics and psychic powers.

They insist that by thinking “I will be a millionaire,” you can become one.

Terry draws a tight, detailed timeline of movements from “The Secret” (i.e., “the power of attraction”) back to positive thinking movements in the mid-20th century, even the mid-18th century. He also notes the subliminal use of the word, “Rosicrucian” (see still image, above), throughout the film.

“The Secret” is nothing new. But its production values should be high enough to bring a fresh batch of suckers into “the movement.”


http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/images/2007/TheSecret/rosicrucian.jpg


Going to the official site, and viewing
the flash presentation on the past secret teachers, the
importance of Rosicrucian thinking is elaborated upon.
On Beethoven, they say: “In his personal life Beethoven was known
to support the views of Pantheism, which included the idea of
natural law and the universe being equivalent to, and inseparable
from God. He is also considered to have been a member of the
Rosicrucians, a legendary and secret order that espoused many of
the ideas of The Secret.” (emphasis mine)
There you have it; Rosicrucianism is linked to the teachings
espoused in The Secret.

http://parallelnormal.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/the-secret-behind-the-secret/

[loveforall]

exactly what i said i thought i knew i saw

[thirdwave]

Im a bit lost....

1, what has the Rosicrucians got to do with the secret?

2, what info do we have that the Rosicrucians are bad...

3, and why if they are against what the secret says are they pushing it?

[seanx]

Im a bit lost....

1, what has the Rosicrucians got to do with the secret?

2, what info do we have that the Rosicrucians are bad...

3, and why if they are against what the secret says are they pushing it?

I agree with thirdwave. What's the point?

[king]

I agree with thirdwave. What's the point?

you should make your own point, your own conclusion

I just posted an interesting response to ever growing debate of LOA.

Anything that is heavily promoted by the elite should be questioned.
and, secret is very much that -- masonic new age LOA crap.

you can feel free to have your own opinion.

[bigus_dickus]

Anything that is heavily promoted by the elite should be questioned.
and, secret is very much that -- masonic new age LOA crap.

you can feel free to have your own opinion.

what is your opinion about people who are successful with it? are they just lucky?

[king]

what is your opinion about people who are successful with it? are they just lucky?


I believe that majority of the people are insecure, afraid to try something new, much less having courage to drop old ways.

so, in such cases -- LOA can help those fence straddlers, who are thinking if they should make the changes that their hearts desire, those who are ready to "take the risk".

but, if you are unsure of your self and unwilling to try new way, or if you have obligations to your family then 'Secret' and LOA will not help you.
And that group is overwhelming majority.
Sure, out of 1000 people who try to get rich --some will, by sheer odds, so some people are destined to "attract" what many others are not.
that is why we have those get rich quick TV infomercials, because some people who try will get lucky, yet many will fail miserably.

so, that is your answer WHY for some people LOA works, for many other does not.
Now, Secret can be bought in major warehouses like Costco where Da Vinci Code is also sold.
This should make us curious.

BTW, the idea of LOA is based on masonic/NEW Age.
read what low level Masons and New Agers think of it:

My wife TiVo's Oprah, and on occasion I watch it with her at night when we get home from work. It just so happened that on February 8th, she had a panel of speakers who were there to do their best to plug the profundity of "The Secret", a new on-line film/DVD that proclaims to reveal centuries hidden knowledge in the span of a 90 minute motivational speech.

After watching the original episode of Oprah on the 8th and her follow-up on the 17th (where the "O" did some fancy dancing to the "no this isn’t an anti Christian message" song), I had to admit that I felt compelled to see exactly what the secret was really about.

And after watching it tonight, I'll be damned, the message it presents is pretty spot on.

I wasn't really sure what to expect. Probably some new age hocus-pocus or some motivational speakers saying you have the power to do what you want (which is was in many ways), but this video took it step further. It said something I have been saying (and doing) for a while now though my own sort of personal discovery of all things Masonic. The message was that we (people) are a part of the God conscious universe, and that our energy resonates with the rest of the universe, and that this energy, when harmonized, has the potential of ANYTHING, good or bad. This harmonic energy is what we put out into the universe also attracts back to us, depending on what we think, feel, desire, wish, or pray for. And our attitudes contri
bute to what we get in return.

From the Masonic perspective, the degrees of masonry illustrate our ascension into this thought. That, as we are initiated into this ideation and taught how to interpret from what we learn our ultimate step, the placement at the doorway of God, the inner chamber of K.S.T. Our thoughts attenuated to this celestial divine, not without as some external force, but within, as our own manifestation of that Creative Force. We, widow’s sons, are the creators of our universe.

The philosophy in "The Secret" should be simple to understand by any Freemason who watches it. Even simpler now that it has been broken down to its barest components, which are: "Know Thy Self", and "Follow Your Bliss". With these two axioms, you can control your universe.

For those wondering though, where the producers came up with this Secret Teaching, they give you glimpses at the beginning alluding to their origins, The Knights Templar, Rosicrucian's, The Romans, the Egyptians, and so one…But there may be some true point of origin here. Out of Hermetica, there comes a myth, the myth of the Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus. On this tablet were written 13 points of wisdom and these points create the foundation of transformative thought.

The 13 points of the tablet are:

The truth, certainty, truest, without untruth.
What is above is like what is below. What is below is like what is above. The miracle of unity is to be attained.
Everything is formed from the contemplation of unity, and all things come about from unity, by means of adaptation.
Its parents are the Sun and Moon.
It was borne by the wind and nurtured by the Earth.
Every wonder is from it 6a. and its power is complete.
Throw it upon earth, 7a) and earth will separate from fire. The impalpable separated from the palpable.
Through wisdom it rises slowly from the world to heaven. Then it descends to the world combining the power of the upper and the lower.
Thus you will have the illumination of all the world, and darkness will disappear.
This is the power of all strength- it overcomes that which is delicate and penetrates through solids. 11a) This was the means of the creation of the world.
And in the future wonderful developments will be made, and this is the way.
I am Hermes the Threefold Sage, so named because I hold the three elements of all wisdom.
And thus ends the revelation of the work of the Sun.

From these points you can learn the secret.

The one thing I don’t agree with necessarily is that "The secret", as "the Secret" calls itself, is still only wisdom for those who care to know about it. The owners of "the secret" didn’t hide it. It has been alive and vital in the mystery schools of antiquity for eons, all anyone has to do to gain the secret is just ask...

Maybe, as in ages past, this is the new mode of transference. This is how the secret teachings of the ages are to be communicated to the masses, to merge with our subconscious and manifest into our daily life, so it is never forgotten again.

Either way, I do recommend giving "the Secret" a watching if you have the time, I found it a great reinforcement of my Masonic principals and ideas.

Freemason Information | Masonic Journal
Masonic Discussion | Masonic Decals
http://masonictraveler.blogspot.com/2007/02/oprah-and-secret-of-secret.html



--
so, there you have it.
is it promotion of Masonic New Age?
you decide.

I guess those Iraqi people and little children who were blown up to small pieces attracted the bombs and unborn babies attracted DNA mutation via D.U. ammo.

</sarcasm>

[thirdwave]

for me it is not a question of if the LOA is real... It knowledge to me.... but when I hear info like this though it is interesting.... who knows what the deal is...

in time everyone will know the LOA, its reality.... "The Secret" is not the first thing that has brought it up.....

but who are the Rosicrucians??? , what we really know about them?

what info do we have on them???

and what info do we have that they made "the secret" ??

with so many people hunting like crazy for disinfo.... then surely they are eating out the the elites hands???, as they could feed them anything and hang a bitter tag on it and all of a sudden the info is in the air.....

everything could be disinfo.....

[bigus_dickus]

I believe that majority of the people are insecure, afraid to try something new, much less having courage to drop old ways.

so, in such cases -- LOA can help those fence straddlers, who are thinking if they should make the changes that their hearts desire, those who are ready to "take the risk".

but, if you are unsure of your self and unwilling to try new way, or if you have obligations to your family then 'Secret' and LOA will not help you.

so, you ignore it and move on, you don't have to complain about it, do you? let those who need it help themselves.

And that group is overwhelming majority.
Sure, out of 1000 people who try to get rich --some will, by sheer odds, so some people are destined to "attract" what many others are not.

what do you mean "destined"?

that is why we have those get rich quick TV infomercials, because some people who try will get lucky, yet many will fail miserably.

and what will they loose? will they give up? will they die, or suicide? what's the catch? why "miserably"?

so, that is your answer WHY for some people LOA works, for many other does not.

well, you simply told me that not many people are capable to do it right, so they will fail to do it. and i can agree with that. so, what's the point?

so, there you have it.
is it promotion of Masonic New Age?
you decide.

i don't know. are the producers masons or new agers? what is in it for them? who are they? if it works for them and they are masons, why are they making it public? what if eventually everyone gets successful with it? have you thought that possibility? doubt is ok, but leaving possibilities out, i don't think so.

i have known about the "secret" knowledge before this dvd, anyone can find and read these books if they are interested. it is not occult knowledge, it is just not popular because most people get distracted by pop culture, commercials and world events. and i am no new ager or freemason, i am just a guy who likes reading!

I guess those Iraqi people and little children who were blown up to small pieces attracted the bombs and unborn babies attracted DNA mutation via D.U. ammo.

</sarcasm>

to tell you the truth, i can't imagine them attracting a different possibility living under a state of fear. can you?

[bigus_dickus]

here is the secret behind "the secret"

Law of Attraction: Do you Attract or Create? - YouTube

i think that's what it's all about

[john white]

Anything that is heavily promoted by the elite should be questioned.
and, secret is very much that -- masonic new age LOA crap.

Thank goodness for that King:

Where would you be if you decided it was anything different, huh?

After all, if you stopped fearing and doubting, you'd run out of things to fear and doubt

As a thought though: These "magical powers" of secret socities, this "tainted knowledge" that saps get sucked in by:

It comes from God, it belongs to God, and how Man uses his understanding is Gods test of us

So are you afraid of God, or only afraid of Men?

When one Loves god as a dutiful child should, one Fears neither

[oceanwave]

...good thread king...

[shadow cat]

...good thread king...

I agree! thanks King:)

[i_am]

The knowledge told in the Secret is not wrong. It does however smell of commercialism and it gives a limited idea of how to use this ‘power’.

Is this by design?? Who knows!! Maybe they think by giving everyone this so-called secret that it will have an opposite effect. People will become more cynical and more negative, saying it is just a load of bullshit, it doesn't work and woe is me I am doomed to my unhappy, boring, life of struggle.

LOA is not all about money. It is about attracting everything that you desire: Health, wealth, happiness, a change in your life, anything. It does not work by just saying that you wish to be a millionaire. That is just greed and is a fear based wish. People who try this are coming from a point of fear: fear of poverty, fear of getting sick, fear of the unknown etc. This will not work.

It is about vibration. It is about vibrating in sync with the universe, not an easy state to attain. It is impossible from a fear-based vibration. When people are ‘trying’ to manifest they are putting conditions on. These conditions are about control and control is fear-based so the vibration is wrong. You want to be rich because you are sick of being poor. Your vibration is with being poor and that is negative. Take note of how that feels. Instead, see yourself doing what you want when you want. Feel it. Enjoy it. Love it! Believe it. Feel the difference in vibration. You may well become a millionaire if you really get a handle on this. I know someone who did. Did she focus on that? Not at all. Her focus was on a happy life for her and her children. She put the LOA into action and after it worked so well, she wrote about how it had worked. She is now a millionaire travelling the world and talking to people.

The Rosicrucians have always had this knowledge. Are they good guys or bad guys? I don’t know but they sure have a lot of ‘secret’ knowledge. They always have had. What difference does it make? Are we to say that we don’t wish to apply this knowledge because the Rosicrucians and Masons know it? Shall we just leave it alone because they know about it? Should we just leave this universal law to the select few?

Just my 2c :p

[thirdwave]

anyone who likes "The Secret" wills simply become into the LOA, and will look to research it and practise it more....

I don't think the elite are capable of creating info and expressions like "The Secret" .... and the last thing they want is to trick people into feeling that they have control over their lives and the world around them.... you want to see a DVD made by the elite?? ..well watch "an inconviniant truth" you know the one that won a grammy..even though the secret is bigger by word of mouth.....

their campaign is fear ...fear....fear....terror....., they want us to think the world needs a mass change because we are not dealing with it... so they can provide the change....

"The Secret" does not match this agenda..... it counters it...


ok "The Secret" is glossed up and done for some bucks and to be mainstream, but that does not change the info and their is nothing in it that I feel is nor correct....

it was made to manipulate people into believing it... b ut that does not mean its not true....


if it was a low budget DVD made on a shoe string, it would have just remained as a you tube video that has a few comments on, but it is not ...its a "hit" and has promoted the LOA which has been known for as far back as we have records of.


I feel their is a great lot of panic and confusion from people who are thinking... is David Icke disinfo..... is the secret disinfo.... is he lying.... is she lying....

.... meanwhile they are lining up around Iran... and the news pushes more and more fear,,,, more planets are discovered ..more UFOs reported....

and more and more people becoming confused at what to think!

its all a struggle because we are going through a shift...

common sense!!

if you do not miss quote.... or leave out info from The Secret, what negative message or method is it inflicting on us??? ...nothing....

same with Icke... and all these others.... its quite clear when something is trying to make you feel you have less control of your self and the world around you....

[jinjo5]

I watch 'the secret' a while ago after someone on here recommended it..........where's the secret?
To me it seemed like a load of over enthusiastic people going on about positive thinking.
Dont think there's any big secret there.
At times it was like watching one of those US evangelical programmes.

[hagbard_celine]

I keep getting ads for "The Secret" ever since I subscribed to "The Bleeping Herald", the official newsletter of "What the Bleep do we Know?" I think the same people are reponsible for the two. I know Lynne McTaggart is because I saw her at the Icons of the Field conference in London last year and we all saw "Down the Rabbit Hole".

Some might say that the materialist theme of "The Secret" is a debasement of spirituality. I don't agree. I wouldn't mind having a lot of money; this doesn't make me unspiritual. It would if it became the only thing I wanted, the whole essence of my life, as our society encourages it to be. It's also not immoral if you've earned your money fairly (difficult in the current economic system which is based on theft and exploitation). It could be simply about having an interesting, worthwhile and fullfilling existance in this life. This might not just be about material wealth, but about what Mr Keating in "Dead Poets Society" calls Carpe Diem, Seize The Day! Make your lives extraordinary!

It's true that positive thinking can have an enormous effect on what happens to us in our objective lives. This is the central theme of "What the Bleep..."

Actually, although I respect the sentiment behind this film, I find its style somewhat gimmicky. The "calender" anaology one of the presenters uses is accurate, although in a different way. It reminds me of one of these 2-hour adverts you get on cable channels for fitness equipment or jewelery. The title is a minsnomer; "The Secret" is not a secret. It has been discussed quite openly by everyone from physicists to Buddhist lamas throughout recorded history, and probably before. A modern physicist might say "A state of mind can move the particles of the universe" while Lao Tzu said "With our thoughts we make the world" in the 5th Century BC. The "supression" is in fact more like "distraction"; the powers-that-be use lures and confusion rather than actively hiding the information.

The case studies are a good way of making the subject matter comprehensible and inspiring; I can feel a certain affinity with many of the people featured in the film, however "The Secret" doesn't really contain any information that you won't find in "What The Bleep Do We Know?"

"The Secret" costs almost £20, but for £25 you can get "What the Bleep?- Down the Rabbit Hole" which contains an extended, and a separate super-extended cut of the movie with 3 DVD's full of bonus documentaries. All the information in "The Secret" can be found in just 5 minutes of "What the Bleep?" Now which sounds like better value to you?

"Good boy, Rodney, you know it makes sense!"

[poodle]

The secret has been working wonderfully for me!

I first became aware of the LOA from watching the DVD 'The Secret' that is being mentioned. I found it a little cheesy, yes, and I found the focus was primarily on wealth of monetary value, but it encouraged me to discover more about the LOA itself, and experiment with it in my life.

I think of wealth not as something with a dollar value, instead to me wealth is having the things and people around me and a part of me that make me feel 'happy'. A simply concept it seems, but isn't that all we really want to feel in the end? We call it many names, but pure 'happiness' works for me.

The results so far have been fantastic! How these things happen, I dont care to analyse. Whether it is me creating, me attracting, me letting go of fear and heading towards what I want, me being courageous, me being brave, or just me being lucky, it doesnt matter, because I am happy.

I dont care to preach to others or turn people for or against 'The Secret', but I know that this is purely a discussion thread, so my input is that I have found the LOA to be a wonderful asset in my life :)

[loveemotion]

what is your opinion about people who are successful with it? are they just lucky?


What do you mean just lucky.. can you make an example?
LAL

[adramelech]

That's a very good write-up on the historical aspects of the New Thought cult/meme. Modernly, The Secret is most closely a reworking of Freemason Charles Haanel's Master Key System. The Master Key System is symbolic of Hiram's Key of Freemasonry, the Great Key - Clavis Magna. It is deeply tied to elite belief systems.

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PVNBT3N4L._SS500_.jpg

The Secret itself is closely related to so-called "Unity Christianity", a New Age cult and a strong frontrunner for World Religion, of which the elite teachings of "The Secret" will obviously play a strong role.

http://www.unityworldhq.org/

The Secret is the perfect elite philosophy and one they have practiced and believed for thousands of years across multible schools, societies and organizations. Most importantly, it completely absolves guilt. Although the core elite are inhuman by definition, feelings and emotions still impact many involved. The Secret takes this away by teaching that all of the victims of elite actions have asked to be victimized by their own thoughts. At the same time, it teaches the elite that they are in control because divine or universal forces have mandated it.

This is clearly seen in elite doctraines such as The Divine Right of Kings.

Divine right of kings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Victim blaming is also known as the Just World philosophy, or the belief that everyone gets what they deserve, rape victims "asked for it" and so on. This is a basic psychological element in all kinds of hostage situations, kidnapping and brain washing. When the victim believes that they are responsible, they view their captors as gods. For the elite, convincing the enslaved that they are responsible for their own enslavement is the cruelest and most effective of deceptions.

"The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist."

[Anders Lindman]

I have come up with a new concept called: Integral Law of Attraction. :D

Ken Wilber always talks about integral this and integral that. Therefore I thought this would apply to the LOA as well.

Resonance in harmony will attract harmony, and it will manifest as health. From an integral perspective, we have health on different levels. One way to divide these levels is to look at (1) Social health, (2) Mental health, (3) Emotional health, and (4) Physical health. Integral means that all four of these levels must be included in the LOA. Failure to include one of these levels leads to fragmentation and the LOA cannot vibrate holistacally in harmony.

The four levels are:

(1) Social health; personal relationships, finance, social integration, collective beliefs etc.

(2) Mental health; knowledge, rational thinking, personal belief systems, habits etc.

(3) Emotional health; full spectrum of emotions, intersubjective emotions, etc.

(4) Physical health; physical body, including fitness, digestion, immune system, etc.

From an integral perspective, only when we have all four levels resonating as a whole movement can the LOA be effective.

[bigus_dickus]

That's a very good write-up on the historical aspects of the New Thought cult/meme. Modernly, The Secret is most closely a reworking of Freemason Charles Haanel's Master Key System. The Master Key System is symbolic of Hiram's Key of Freemasonry, the Great Key - Clavis Magna. It is deeply tied to elite belief systems.

what is an elite belief system?

The Secret itself is closely related to so-called "Unity Christianity", a New Age cult and a strong frontrunner for World Religion, of which the elite teachings of "The Secret" will obviously play a strong role.

what do you mean "closely related"?

The Secret is the perfect elite philosophy and one they have practiced and believed for thousands of years across multible schools, societies and organizations. Most importantly, it completely absolves guilt. Although the core elite are inhuman by definition, feelings and emotions still impact many involved. The Secret takes this away by teaching that all of the victims of elite actions have asked to be victimized by their own thoughts. At the same time, it teaches the elite that they are in control because divine or universal forces have mandated it.

what do you mean "perfect elite philosophy"?

what do you mean "inhuman by definition"?

how does the "secret" teach that people have asked to be victims? if it is not their choice to be victims, or be anything, whose choice is it?

how does it teach that the "elite" are divine?

This is clearly seen in elite doctraines such as The Divine Right of Kings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Right_of_Kings

these are just beliefs and doctrines are doctrines.

Victim blaming is also known as the Just World philosophy, or the belief that everyone gets what they deserve, rape victims "asked for it" and so on. This is a basic psychological element in all kinds of hostage situations, kidnapping and brain washing. When the victim believes that they are responsible, they view their captors as gods. For the elite, convincing the enslaved that they are responsible for their own enslavement is the cruelest and most effective of deceptions.

"The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist."

do you actually believe that satan is keeping us slaves? that's what that last paragraph implies. tell us the truth mr adramelech.

[seanx]

I am wrote:

LOA is not all about money. It is about attracting everything that you desire: Health, wealth, happiness, a change in your life, anything. It does not work by just saying that you wish to be a millionaire. That is just greed and is a fear based wish. People who try this are coming from a point of fear: fear of poverty, fear of getting sick, fear of the unknown etc. This will not work.

It is about vibration. It is about vibrating in sync with the universe, not an easy state to attain. It is impossible from a fear-based vibration. When people are ‘trying’ to manifest they are putting conditions on. These conditions are about control and control is fear-based so the vibration is wrong. You want to be rich because you are sick of being poor. Your vibration is with being poor and that is negative. Take note of how that feels. Instead, see yourself doing what you want when you want. Feel it. Enjoy it. Love it! Believe it. Feel the difference in vibration. You may well become a millionaire if you really get a handle on this. I know someone who did. Did she focus on that? Not at all. Her focus was on a happy life for her and her children. She put the LOA into action and after it worked so well, she wrote about how it had worked. She is now a millionaire travelling the world and talking to people.

Great stuff. You really express it well

[eternal_spirit]

I agree! thanks King:)

I also agree, spot on king and adramelech, someones done their research. :D :D :D :D :D :D

[earthseed]

Well I never watched it and never wanted to.

[king]

to tell you the truth, i can't imagine them attracting a different possibility living under a state of fear. can you?

now, are you saying that those children who are not even aware of D.U., cluster bombs and bio weapons somehow attracting all of it?

do you see the false logic here?

[eternal_spirit]

now, are you saying that those children who are not even aware of D.U., cluster bombs and bio weapons somehow attracting all of it?

do you see the false logic here?


Yes, and it's nothing to do with bad karma from previous incarnations either, it's the freewill of the ones doing the killing.

[seanx]

now, are you saying that those children who are not even aware of D.U., cluster bombs and bio weapons somehow attracting all of it?

Because we are all asleep, unconscious.

And as we inherit our pareents genes - we also inherit
their's ( and their ancestors ) beliefs, memories and feeling
patterns.

So of course the children didn't consciously attract those
experiences but because we are all asleep we are all creating
our reality by default.

Yes, and it's nothing to do with bad karma from previous incarnations either, it's the freewill of the ones doing the killing. I think big dickus is a bit thick. Like his big dick.

As for that comment - obviously comes from an empty, bankrupt
mind.

[yinon]

What's the secret behind the secret?

It only works if you follow their plan. At the top of the illuminies pyramid they target the chosen ones and eliminate detractors.

That's why for some of them it works and for others it doesn't work. If money is your first goal you wont have troubles to prostitute yourself

[bigus_dickus]

now, are you saying that those children who are not even aware of D.U., cluster bombs and bio weapons somehow attracting all of it?

i don't remember saying that. what do you think?

[eternal_spirit]

Because we are all asleep, unconscious.

And as we inherit our pareents genes - we also inherit
their's ( and their ancestors ) beliefs, memories and feeling
patterns.

So of course the children didn't consciously attract those
experiences but because we are all asleep we are all creating
our reality by default.



As for that comment - obviously comes from an empty, bankrupt
mind.

You don't have a clue who you're talking to seanx so save you're bullshit for someone else go find another victim. You sound like some demented parrot do you know that? I have more freedom of thought than you'll ever have. I don't need to follow someone elses ideas written in a book like you do. My mind is rich with original creativity which is something money cannot buy. :D I'm the one who is truly free.

[seanx]

Eternal spirit comments,

big dickus is a bit thick. Like his big dick.

Anybody who can only respond to someone arguments with
personal abuse like that - is a joke.

[yinon]

I'm the one who is truly free.

O now I know who you are
Right all is fine under the sun but you forgot one important thing. What is it? At the top of the pyramid they continue to keep the true secrets for them and they spread lies at the bottom. If you are one of them you had to prostitute yourself to be part of the few . If you are honest, you wont let them do.Yes there is higher truths and you deeply know it.

[seanx]

hen..you say you are

I'm the one who is truly free.

You've spent this whole thread about how you are a victim to
poverty- and you think you are free?

[eternal_spirit]

Eternal spirit comments,



Anybody who can only respond to someone arguments with
personal abuse like that - is a joke.

No, it was originally a joke, which you took out of context lighten up seanx and read big dickeses questions in reply to the post, his qusetions were allready explained in the post, maybe he hadn't read the post and understood it correctley.

Anway seanx let's call a truce, this is about discussing not dishing out verbal abuse at one another, its going way of issue. Peace to you seanx.

[yinon]

You've spent this whole thread about how you are a victim to
poverty- and you think you are free?

lol
I lost something here.

[eternal_spirit]

lol
I lost something here.

seanx is confusing this thread with the other thread called the poverty trap.

It's kind of related to this thread though.

[bigus_dickus]

What do you mean just lucky.. can you make an example?
LAL

i missed this question. lucky probably means that someone's destiny is to randomly pick up those exact things and randomly make choices that always work for them. in other words, to my understanding, "luck" and "fate" go together hand in hand.

[thirdwave]

What gets me....

is many people who think stuff like the secret is not real.... and is disinfo often go on about how people blindly follow it... and are fooled by it.....

and their info they provide to try and claim this..... is also fished around on the internet.... eating out of another hand.

the bottom line it comes down to what you are capable of believing.... Like I say I have no shadow of doubt its real ...I have experienced it many times.... and all in all it makes perfect sense and seems very realistic to me....

I do think its crazy to think that the elite would make a DVD trying to convince people that they can take control of their lives and they have the power to do what ever they like .... and that many people within the government and powerful places have kept this from everyone....

unless you miss quote and miss understand the secret and say "its because they want people to sit on their arse and do nothing", which is just a misunderstanding of it, as it very much tells you to act on your feelings and anyone who looks deeper into it will learn that's a very important part of it...


for me this whole... is the secret disinfo.... is David icke a mason.... its as crazy as saying was 9/11 an inside job and did those towers fall on their feet because the steel melted.

and I also think its strange how these people who franticly search on google for more and more info....claim to be thinking for them self's and not stuck in a brainwash....

just because someone has found a good peace of mind and a spot they like and can resonate with...it does not mean they are brainwashed....

I stopped fishing around google ages ago because I could start to feel how unhealthy it was and how it was totally used to confuse and water down info.... hence people thinking The Secret is disinfo....

who are the ones who would really benefit from people thinking that "The Secret" is a fantasy, like UFOs are and like all conspiracy stuff is???


mmm I wonder...

[adramelech]

what is an elite belief system?

A belief system practiced or followed by a significant portion of elite bloodlines, political and religious leaders or the occult schools they subscribe to.

what do you mean "closely related"?

Sponsored, endorsed and fully supported by - since the late 1800s.

what do you mean "perfect elite philosophy"?

Completely self explanatory in what I said. Belief in the Law of Attraction absolves guilt, teaches that the rich, powerful ruling class is there because of the power of their mind working through universal forces and that the poor, victimized, raped and brutalized have attracted their own victimization and death through the same universal force. It is the perfect belief system for an elite psychopath to justify their actions with.

"That child asked to be raped."

what do you mean "inhuman by definition"?

in·hu·man (ĭn-hyōō'mən) Pronunciation Key
adj.
Lacking kindness, pity, or compassion; cruel.
Deficient in emotional warmth; cold.
Not suited for human needs: an inhuman environment.
Not of ordinary human form; monstrous.

hu·man (hyōō'mən) Pronunciation Key

adj.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of humans: the course of human events; the human race.
Having or showing those positive aspects of nature and character regarded as distinguishing humans from other animals: an act of human kindness.
Subject to or indicative of the weaknesses, imperfections, and fragility associated with humans: a mistake that shows he's only human; human frailty.
Having the form of a human.
Made up of humans: formed a human bridge across the ice.

how does the "secret" teach that people have asked to be victims? if it is not their choice to be victims, or be anything, whose choice is it?

The Law of Attraction states that anything in one's life experience cannot manifest without their permission, i.e. their thoughts must attract it or allow it by not deliberately creating. Rape victims brought on rape, murder victims brought on murder, robbery victims brought on robbery. This is an elaborate way of denying negativity. Pretending that everything is "as it should be" or that there is no evil in the world and that their persecuters are just doing what they are meant to do is a very common coping mechanism for hostages or victims of abuse. It takes a strong will to confront something head-on.

do you actually believe that satan is keeping us slaves? that's what that last paragraph implies. tell us the truth mr adramelech.

No, actually, nothing I said implied anything like that. I simply quoted a well-known verse on the dangers of denying negative energy.

Are you done asking pedantic questions and sloppily trying to manipulate my words now? Go manifest yourself a kitten.

[eternal_spirit]

Reply to adramelech's post^^^^ This would be the same philosophy and belief system of the ruling elite Brahman priesthood of the Hindu religons Caste system, based on reincarnation, they themselves( the brahman priests)
Consider themselves to be advanced and perfect, those at the bottom of the caste system are vieved and treated with less respect than animal cattle.

This is based on karma and the priests would say you chose to be poor etc, this sick set of beliefs is used as an excuse and can't be proven to be fact, but these sick F*** have used this sick system for thousands of years to control the masses.

An example of the insanity is if a peron falls at the road side, the hindus will not stop to help a sick person because it's considerd to be interfering in that persons free will and they don't want the karma.as if the person if the're dying has chosen to die this way.

[eternal_spirit]

Some say all religon started in India and from this all other religions where formed. It's the same story what ever faith you belong to. Those at the top think they're closer to God than those at the bottom the flock are not an need to be guided by the good sheperd ( evil priesthoods)

Their excuse for the bad things that they the elite make happen would be it's the will of God etc etc yawn!

[bigus_dickus]

A belief system practiced or followed by a significant portion of elite bloodlines, political and religious leaders or the occult schools they subscribe to.

so, is it that the people who practice and follow such belief systems are part of a significant portion of elite bloodlines?

or, is it that a significant portion of elite bloodlines choose a belief system that works for them?

Sponsored, endorsed and fully supported by - since the late 1800s.

were they the only ones who sponsored, endorsed and fully supported it?

Completely self explanatory in what I said. Belief in the Law of Attraction absolves guilt, teaches that the rich, powerful ruling class is there because of the power of their mind working through universal forces and that the poor, victimized, raped and brutalized have attracted their own victimization and death through the same universal force. It is the perfect belief system for an elite psychopath to justify their actions with.

"That child asked to be raped."

this has more esoteric meaning than "that child asked to be raped". it derives from people's beliefs about karma and reincarnation.

and people believe that the LOA is part of the system of karma and reincarnation. it is the belief that says that "a soul seeks to evolve by choosing the experiences that it wishes to learn from".

however i agree with you that it is only a belief.

in·hu·man (ĭn-hyōō'mən) Pronunciation Key
adj.
Lacking kindness, pity, or compassion; cruel.
Deficient in emotional warmth; cold.
Not suited for human needs: an inhuman environment.
Not of ordinary human form; monstrous.

ok, i didn't ask that, let me rephrase: "what do you mean that they are inhuman"? who is "they"?

let me give you an example.

you give an axe to a human and another axe to an inhuman.

the human, takes the axe and chops wood to build him a house.

the inhuman, takes the axe and waits until the human has chopped his wood, then chops the human's head off and steals the wood.

is the axe an 'elite' tool used only by the inhuman 'elite'?

This is an elaborate way of denying negativity. Pretending that everything is "as it should be" or that there is no evil in the world and that their persecuters are just doing what they are meant to do is a very common coping mechanism for hostages or victims of abuse. It takes a strong will to confront something head-on.

so are you suggesting that they should instead accept negativity, pretend that everything is "not as it should be", that there's evil in the world (somewhere) and that their persecutors are not doing what they are meant to do?

i'm just trying to understand here. i am not promoting or demoting LOA, i am looking for the truth behind it. what you are saying is interesting, but it kinda doesn't add up.

No, actually, nothing I said implied anything like that. I simply quoted a well-known verse on the dangers of denying negative energy.

ok, can you explain to me, what do you mean exactly by "denying negative energy". how can someone deny negative energy?

Are you done asking pedantic questions and sloppily trying to manipulate my words now? Go manifest yourself a kitten.

i am not doing that, that's your point of view, maybe shows the real you, you decide. i am simply asking simple questions. you don't have to reply if you feel insulted.

go manifest yourself a turd :)

[adramelech]

so, is it that the people who practice and follow such belief systems are part of a significant portion of elite bloodlines?

or, is it that a significant portion of elite bloodlines choose a belief system that works for them?

The latter.

were they the only ones who sponsored, endorsed and fully supported it?

No.

this has more esoteric meaning than "that child asked to be raped". it derives from people's beliefs about karma and reincarnation.

and people believe that the LOA is part of the system of karma and reincarnation. it is the belief that says that "a soul seeks to evolve by choosing the experiences that it wishes to learn from".

Right. So a child asks to be raped so that their soul can learn from it. Wonderful belief system.

And most people being duped by The Secret haven't the slightest clue that they are buying into cult beliefs stemming from elite/caste-based Eastern mysticism or Blavatskian New Age Thought, they are buying into it (and I do mean BUYING) because they want to think they can manifest a new house by thinking about it. The Secret works on very simple psychological tricks and typical cult recruiting. It can be broken down to a basic level.

ok, i didn't ask that

Actually, that's exactly what you asked, but go on.

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus
what do you mean "inhuman by definition"?

you give an axe to a human and another axe to an inhuman.

the human, takes the axe and chops wood to build him a house.

the inhuman, takes the axe and waits until the human has chopped his wood, then chops the human's head off and steals the wood.

is the axe an 'elite' tool used only by the inhuman 'elite'?

Typical LOA analogy - they usually use electricity. The answer is no, obviously.

These analogies are poor because The Secret is not a tool, it's a belief system. The Secret is not the axe, The Secret is the belief that the guy who got his head chopped off manifested and attracted his own murder by thinking about it and that the power of his murderer's desires to kill led him to a willing victim. And of course the guy needed to be decapitated so his soul could learn from the experience of being killed by a psychopath. His killer is actually a saviour!

How any sane person could defend a belief system like this is beyond me. But people don't think this far. They stop at "Alright, I can be a millionaire if I just THINK REAL HARD!"

so are you suggesting that they should instead accept negativity, pretend that everything is "not as it should be", that there's evil in the world (somewhere) and that their persecutors are not doing what they are meant to do?

There's no belief necessary to accept reality as self evident. There is positive and negative, humane and inhumane actions, love and hate, fear and freedom. Bad things happen to people and they didn't necessarily "manifest it". Good thinigs happen to people and they didn't necessarily "manifest it". The belief that one's self is the center of the universe or one's mind/soul has a demonstratable outcome on chance events or predestination is a well documented cognitive bias, usually steeped in depression, desperation, longing or victimization as well as delusions of grandeur. Some people truly want to believe that they could fly through the air if they just thought about it hard enough - it captures the imagination. However, no belief is necessary to observe that they cannot.

ok, can you explain to me, what do you mean exactly by "denying negative energy". how can someone deny negative energy?

You can deny negativity by accepting a belief system which tells you that rape, murder, theft, wars, accidents, explosions, kidnapping and disease are all actually good things because they were "meant to be" or are teaching souls a lesson. Belief in this is usually evident in grieving parents for example - it's comforting to imagine that their son that got run over by a truck was really just "manifesting a learning experience for his soul" and it helps take the sting away from the realization that bad shit happens in the world. However, most people learn to let go of this delusion after a time.

i am not doing that, that's your point of view, maybe shows the real you, you decide. i am simply asking simple questions. you don't have to reply if you feel insulted.

Actually, you're doing exactly that. Nitpicking a post and asking what the meaning of words are is the definition of pedantic posting. It's like when Clinton said "Depends on what your definition of "is" is." A message board is an exchange of ideas, not an interrogation room where you quote someone sentence by sentence and ask them what they meant by it. That doesn't even make sense. Imagine if I replied to you in that way? You would have nothing to reply to.

Here, this is for you.


...



*thinks*






*DESIRES AND IMAGINES REALLY HARD*





*THINKS*






*pop*
http://www.cat-dog-names.com/kitten-names.jpg


I did it!

[thirdwave]

I have just started reading a book called "Path of empowerment" by "Barbara Marciniak"

I find her very interesting and resonate with what she puts out...

bellow is a piece taken from the book which I thought was very interesting and relates and little to this debate...



"The Current Fashion in Western civilization promotes doubters and skeptics who are recognized and rewarded for their worrisome speculations. And because of an ancient ingrained fear of body and its wisdom, people can no longer tell the difference between what they are told is the truth and what makes sense to them. This collective denial has now achieved a critical mass. and ages of emotionally toxic debris are raising to the surface to be identified and safely released. From a bigger picture of reality, the people of earth are emerging from an amnesiac-like state of collective shock. which has blocked the influx of spiritual knowledge into the human gene pool. And while it is quite obvious to many that "You create your reality" and vast majority of humans still need to be awakened from the unconsciously controlled trance of powerlessness that they voluntarily took on"

[bigus_dickus]

The latter.

and are they successful with manifestation?

Right. So a child asks to be raped so that their soul can learn from it. Wonderful belief system.

well, i don't like it neither if you care about my opinion.

And most people being duped by The Secret haven't the slightest clue that they are buying into cult beliefs stemming from elite/caste-based Eastern mysticism or Blavatskian New Age Thought, they are buying into it (and I do mean BUYING) because they want to think they can manifest a new house by thinking about it. The Secret works on very simple psychological tricks and typical cult recruiting. It can be broken down to a basic level.

i agree with this.

These analogies are poor because The Secret is not a tool, it's a belief system. The Secret is not the axe, The Secret is the belief that the guy who got his head chopped off manifested and attracted his own murder by thinking about it and that the power of his murderer's desires to kill led him to a willing victim. And of course the guy needed to be decapitated so his soul could learn from the experience of being killed by a psychopath. His killer is actually a saviour!

that's one way to view it. i don't disagree.. but there is another point of view too, which is this:

the human was using the secret to "manifest" his house, while the other used it to "manifest" his own house, by imposing his will to another, thus breaking another universal law, that goes together in the pack with the LOA in such belief systems.

therefore such belief systems, that have to do with law and order, have also to do with the socio political status of the people who have them.

this would be like, the "western" application of the same principle.

the "eastern" would be the one you are talking about, the "justice" of "karma".

do you believe any of that? i don't.

How any sane person could defend a belief system like this is beyond me. But people don't think this far. They stop at "Alright, I can be a millionaire if I just THINK REAL HARD!"

well said.

There's no belief necessary to accept reality as self evident. There is positive and negative, humane and inhumane actions, love and hate, fear and freedom. Bad things happen to people and they didn't necessarily "manifest it". Good thinigs happen to people and they didn't necessarily "manifest it". The belief that one's self is the center of the universe or one's mind/soul has a demonstratable outcome on chance events or predestination is a well documented cognitive bias, usually steeped in depression, desperation, longing or victimization as well as delusions of grandeur. Some people truly want to believe that they could fly through the air if they just thought about it hard enough - it captures the imagination. However, no belief is necessary to observe that they cannot.

well said :cool:

You can deny negativity by accepting a belief system which tells you that rape, murder, theft, wars, accidents, explosions, kidnapping and disease are all actually good things because they were "meant to be" or are teaching souls a lesson. Belief in this is usually evident in grieving parents for example - it's comforting to imagine that their son that got run over by a truck was really just "manifesting a learning experience for his soul" and it helps take the sting away from the realization that bad shit happens in the world. However, most people learn to let go of this delusion after a time.

i agree with that. however, are there things that are by definition "bad" and other that are by definition "good"? what is good and what is bad?

i know that these are fundamental questions and have no answer.

but the problem is, that we are eventually going to arrive to a point, where we will believe we have to judge some thing and that we are the highest authority ever possible to do that. or not?

Actually, you're doing exactly that. Nitpicking a post and asking what the meaning of words are is the definition of pedantic posting. It's like when Clinton said "Depends on what your definition of "is" is." A message board is an exchange of ideas, not an interrogation room where you quote someone sentence by sentence and ask them what they meant by it. That doesn't even make sense. Imagine if I replied to you in that way? You would have nothing to reply to.

dude, you got lots of definitions. that's nice. lol

Here, this is for you.


...



*thinks*






*DESIRES AND IMAGINES REALLY HARD*





*THINKS*






*pop*
http://www.cat-dog-names.com/kitten-names.jpg


I did it!

congratulations! :D

[adramelech]

Truly wise words from the woman who channels aliens from the Pleiades. :p

Telling someone that they are a Perfect Golden God and all they have to do to realize it is buy your book series, DVD, audio tapes and lectures is, quite literally, the oldest trick in the book. It appeals to pure ego.

[thirdwave]

Truly wise words from the woman who channels aliens from the Pleiades. :p


may sound crazy to you, but not to me.... I belive in chaneling %100.. I judge the tree by the fruit.

I thought that section was bang on....

So I take it you don't believe in telepathy?... even though we are talking to people around the world by hitting buttons on a little box and screen... and can send text messages and talk to people using little phones connected to "nothing"....... ahh but that's all "real" stuff and all ok.... :cool:

not that i dont think there are bullshiters out there... but if we were to paint them all with 1 brush then we would be very easy to manipulate would we not?


Telling someone that they are a Perfect Golden God and all they have to do to realize it is buy your book series, DVD, audio tapes and lectures is, quite literally, the oldest trick in the book. It appeals to pure ego.

mmm its such a shame money allways has to come into it and how people judge so much, to me it seems money cleary is the master of your life...... if there is somthing of interest to you ..then by it... if not then dont.... , im sure many people get sucked into stuff... does this mean its all rubbish??, again i feel this makes one very easy to control by you know who.... I paid for this book..not because i want to know im a "golden god".. but because from what i have heard of her stuff it makes sence to me and I am inspired by it... Again it has nothing to do with Ego.... looking for self empowerment and self respect is healthy and everyone should be doing it.

[bigus_dickus]

So I take it you don't believe in telepathy?... even though we are talking to people around the world by hitting buttons on a little box and screen... and can send text messages and talk to people using little phones connected to "nothing"....... ahh but that's all "real" stuff and all ok.... :cool:

telepathy is an "inner" form of communication, although i don't believe in "inner" and "outer" as real. the idea is, that someone away from us and totally separate, is somehow sending us messages of various forms. then the question is, who is this someone?

then we have to see what we are taking for granted here and that there are many options that we can choose to believe.

for example, i can say that "the reptilians, are impersonating the pleiadians and use advanced technology to channel it to certain people with certain perception". and it would make sense.

i could also say that "the nwo have equipment capable to transform such messages to any one they choose" and it would make sense.

i could say that "everything springs from the mind of mrs marciniak, having read and bought in those books, such as the ra and seth material, which was "channeled" material" and it would make sense.

i could say that "there is no other possible way of communication for the pleiadians, having no intention to freak us out and panic" and that would make sense too.

which one is it?

[seanx]

And most people being duped by The Secret haven't the slightest clue that they are buying into cult beliefs stemming from elite/caste-based Eastern mysticism or Blavatskian New Age Thought, they are buying into it (and I do mean BUYING) because they want to think they can manifest a new house by thinking about it. The Secret works on very simple psychological tricks and typical cult recruiting. It can be broken down to a basic level

adramelech and CO - all your understanding of the law that
beliefs creates reality is mental- purely intellectual gymnastics.

We all have another faculty - it's callled higher knowing - it's
using this sense to grasp a real understanding or 'feel' of things.

You say:
because they want to think they can manifest a new
house by thinking about it.

That just proves to me, ( and I've got to be honest here) you
ain't get a real clue about what we are talking about here.

it's nothing to do with 'thinking positive thoughts.

You can think positive thoughts all day - but if you don't
change your governing unconscious belief patterns nothing
will happen.

Your quote shows a child's understanding of the law of creation.
It 's what critics of this law always say.

And anyway - if you don't believe it ( which is your choice - who
cares) - what the hell are you doing here on this forum wasting
all our time.

This is what really amazes me.

I mean, the law of conscious creation is at the very
foundation of David icke view of the matrix.

If you don't believe it - fine, again who cares - but people are
on this forum trying to get a deeper and more complete
understanding of it - and not listening to people who are
totally perverting the meaning of this law.

I mean you can turn anything around - sex can be ecstactic -
or it can be perverted to rape.

Again, how you look at this law is up to you - but instread of
just intellectualizing about it - why not start to practice it
- and see what happens!

.

[seanx]

To thirdwave,

reading a book called "Path of empowerment" by "Barbara Marciniak"

Yes, I have read that book- and I agree with you it's excellent.

And it's ideas almost prefectly mirror and resonate with dave icke's
conclusions in tales of the Time loop.

A great read

[eternal_spirit]

adramelech and CO - all your understanding of the law that
beliefs creates reality is mental- purely intellectual gymnastics.

You say:


That just proves to me, ( and I've got to be honest here) you
ain't get a real clue about what we are talking about here

Your quote shows a child's understanding of the law of creation.
It 's what critics of this law always say.

And anyway - if you don't believe it ( which is your choice - who
cares) - what the hell are you doing here on this forum wasting
all our time.

This is what really amazes me.

If you don't believe it - fine, again who cares - but people are
on this forum trying to get a deeper and more complete
understanding of it - and not listening to people who are
totally perverting the meaning of this law.

I mean you can turn anything around - sex can be ecstactic -
or it can be perverted to rape.



.

Eternal's reply......So, if you're buisness failed and you became broke and ended up sick being unable to work. Would you have attracted that experience to yourself???

If you're buisness hadn't succeeded in the first place would you still be spouting on about how wonderfull these LOA books and theories are???
Hmm, what is you're business seanx are you marketing LOA books lol???

I think you're a very confused about the sex and rape issue. How can you turn around ecstatic sex and rape, I dont understand???

No we don't believe what you're saying about LOA, but this is a discussion with different views, can't expect us all to agree with you. No one on this forum agrees with all that Icke says, even the man himself changes his views from book to book.

[yinon]

I am looking for an explaination. If I am crazy, tell me. If it is one sided tell me. If you are a happily married man tell me. If you have a gf tell me. If you are gay tell me.If it is just for ego gratification tell me. Am I your entertainment? tell me. Are you in love with me? tell me. Is this mutual tell me. Do you want me to never speak to you again? tell me. Is this a twinflame story? tell me.

Don't you get it? I'm looking for an out, to get back to normal whatever that may be. Whether it's my same life I have now or a new one. Or just have the answer so I can move on until when we're 60. :)

Lol
No it's clear Shemale. You are the one with AIDS isn't it?
You read our mind but you always transform whats behind. It's the New Age Clic
There is no confusion in my mind
With or without him, I feel complete but our mission are connected even if you don't like it
Stop to manipulate information

I won't stay silent. Sorry! Again it's not what bother me now. Beside the track!

lol

[yinon]

.

[Anders Lindman]

I don't like the idea of waiting. I hate waiting. People teaching about the LOA always talk about waiting for results. Is there a version of the LOA that does not require waiting? That would be more interesting to me. :) :cool:

[seanx]

Eternal's reply......So, if you're buisness failed and you became broke and ended up sick being unable to work. Would you have attracted that experience to yourself???

of course, I'm responsible.

my business failed twice before it succeed.

So of course, I am responsible. My core cellular beliefs created
both of them.

This idea of conscious creation is at the core of david icke ideas.

This guy adramelech shoud read 'Times of the time loop'
and 'Infinite love... first before he wastes our time here on
the forum.

They fully explain the nature of this law.

But what this guy is writing is just a total perversion of the law.

And of course the law of creation can be used for evil purposes -
just like sex, or drink can be abused.

And the Elite have used this power and these ideas for erons - in
fact that why all of these elite cultures rubbish this idea - so
as to keep it from the masses.

[tru3]

The secret behind the film “The Secret,” a cheesy round-up of C-list motivational speakers, is Rosicrucianism, according to a recent commentary by Terry Melanson at Conspiracy Archive. The speakers in the film include one chiropractor, one-or-two New Age religious figures, and several self-described scientists. All make non-scientific connections between physics and psychic powers.

They insist that by thinking “I will be a millionaire,” you can become one.

Terry draws a tight, detailed timeline of movements from “The Secret” (i.e., “the power of attraction”) back to positive thinking movements in the mid-20th century, even the mid-18th century. He also notes the subliminal use of the word, “Rosicrucian” (see still image, above), throughout the film.

“The Secret” is nothing new. But its production values should be high enough to bring a fresh batch of suckers into “the movement.”


http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/images/2007/TheSecret/rosicrucian.jpg


Going to the official site, and viewing
the flash presentation on the past secret teachers, the
importance of Rosicrucian thinking is elaborated upon.
On Beethoven, they say: “In his personal life Beethoven was known
to support the views of Pantheism, which included the idea of
natural law and the universe being equivalent to, and inseparable
from God. He is also considered to have been a member of the
Rosicrucians, a legendary and secret order that espoused many of
the ideas of The Secret.” (emphasis mine)
There you have it; Rosicrucianism is linked to the teachings
espoused in The Secret.

http://parallelnormal.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/the-secret-behind-the-secret/

thanks, king. i wanted to address your original post. there have been some great insights on the way, but i wanted to specifically address the rosicrucian connection, not the validity or lack therof with respect to the loa.

CHAPTER 19
Rosicrucian and Masonic
Origins
.
by Manly P. Hall
1901-1990

From Lectures on Ancient Philosophy—An Introduction to
the Study and Application of Rational Procedure:
The Hall Publishing Company, Los Angeles, First Edition 1929, pp 397-417



The secret doctrine that flows through Freemasonic symbols (and to whose perpetuation the invisible Masonic body is consecrated) has its source in three ancient and exalted orders. The first is the Dionysiac artificers, the second the Roman collegia, and the third the Arabian Rosicrucians....

The Mysteries of Egypt and Persia [read bablyon, comment inserted] that had found a haven in the Arabian desert reached Europe by way of the Knights Templars and the Rosicrucians. The Temple of the Rose Cross at Damascus had preserved the secret philosophy of Sharon's Rose; the Druses of the Lebanon still retain the mysticism of ancient Syria; and the dervishes, as they lean on their carved and crotched sticks, still meditate upon the secret instruction perpetuated from the days of the four Caliphs. From the far places of Irak and the hidden retreats of the Sufi mystics, the Ancient Wisdom thus found its way into Europe. Was Jacques de Molay burned by the Holy Inquisition merely because he wore the red cross of the Templar? What were those secrets to which he was true even in death? Did his companion Knights perish with him merely because they had amassed a fortune and exercised an unusual degree of temporal power? To the thoughtless, these may constitute ample grounds, but to those who can pierce the film of the specious and the superficial, they are assuredly insufficient. It was not the physical power of the Templars but the knowledge which they had brought with them from the East that the church feared.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/2216/clsctexts/Rosicrucian_Masonic.htm

now, hall is an interesting chap. he was a 33rd degree mason but he was also a scholar, so probably let loose more information than his handlers would have liked him to. also, consider the timeframe this was written in. hall was an unabashed booster of freemasonry; he attempted to legitimize it with 'respectable scholarship' (remember; different time, different context than today)

imho, in fact, he was a recruiter. therefore, with the luxury of hindsight and the power of postmodern deconstruction, i'd say manly p. hall clearly established the connection between the loomies and rosicrucianism.

[thirdwave]

telepathy is an "inner" form of communication, although i don't believe in "inner" and "outer" as real. the idea is, that someone away from us and totally separate, is somehow sending us messages of various forms. then the question is, who is this someone?

then we have to see what we are taking for granted here and that there are many options that we can choose to believe.

for example, i can say that "the reptilians, are impersonating the pleiadians and use advanced technology to channel it to certain people with certain perception". and it would make sense.

i could also say that "the nwo have equipment capable to transform such messages to any one they choose" and it would make sense.

i could say that "everything springs from the mind of mrs marciniak, having read and bought in those books, such as the ra and seth material, which was "channeled" material" and it would make sense.

i could say that "there is no other possible way of communication for the pleiadians, having no intention to freak us out and panic" and that would make sense too.

which one is it?

does it matter what source?...you think humans dont lie?


the bottom line is the info either sits with you or it does not.....

if we can talk to eachother from either end of the earth using plastic things with buttons then why cant our brains do it??

to me its all very logical tat beings can comunicate this way with us and have been doing it for YEARS..... the bottom line is, you listen to what they have to say and it either works or it does not...

tell me what the source has to be to be creditable??

you cant answer this.... it has to be our judgment ....this is the case allways, what ever the source of into is...

[bigus_dickus]

tell me what the source has to be to be creditable??

you cant answer this.... it has to be our judgment ....this is the case allways, what ever the source of into is...

that's the point..

i demonstrated a few popular points of view, just to show what we are arguing about.

we are simply arguing about our beliefs! we are not communicating. we are constantly judging everyone except ourselves, we are telling others what to do and who they are. there is only one correct opinion and it is my opinion, that's what we are all thinking, because we all believe something.

and what we do most of all, is project our fears to others. they all have to be as scared as we are, or else dead.

;)

[adramelech]

I don't like the idea of waiting. I hate waiting. People teaching about the LOA always talk about waiting for results. Is there a version of the LOA that does not require waiting? That would be more interesting to me. :) :cool:

That would remove the element of nonfalsifiability that is the core of any cult belief.

[adramelech]

sean, I hate to break it to you, but I'm probably more familiar with the entire history of New Thought and the Universal Laws than anyone else on this forum. I've read all of Icke's books and have been researching all of the subjects he writes about before he did. I have been applying many principles of thought influence in my life for over a decade. I could explain to you in intimate detail why things like The Secret appear to work for people and why they become so enamored with the belief. With that said, you can stop the cult objections of "You just don't UNDERSTAND. You need to read our pamphlet to reach true enlightenment."

This thread is not discussing a deep metaphysical exploration of thought influencing reality, it's discussing an old New Age scam used to part a fool and his money. Things like The Secret do that by reducing said metaphysical and purely symbolic principles into juvenile, desperate self-help fluff attached to dangerous, borderline psychopathic beliefs. The elite push this heavily in many avenues, from New Age religions to mainstream network television. The Secret was recently featured heavily on Oprah, the largest daytime talkshow in America. They are really keeping this ANCIENT SECRET down, huh?

[tru3]

This thread is not discussing a deep metaphysical exploration of thought influencing reality, it's discussing an old New Age scam used to part a fool and his money. Things like The Secret do that by reducing said metaphysical and purely symbolic principles into juvenile, desperate self-help fluff attached to dangerous, borderline psychopathic beliefs. The elite push this heavily in many avenues, from New Age religions to mainstream network television. The Secret was recently featured heavily on Oprah, the largest daytime talkshow in America. They are really keeping this ANCIENT SECRET down, huh?

thank you, ad. i came into this thread late, and i thought maybe i missed something.

isn't it time we started to be more precise about the definition and scope of 'the scam'? the source of the delusion?

i've been in network marketing, for example, and been fleeced of money; not a lot, but enough to feel a sting. everyone around me was pissing and moaning about being 'screwed' over by this guy. all i said was:

i believed because i wanted to believe. period, end of report. something happened, and i forgive myself for that illusion. it seemed like a good idea at the time.

but that's just the way i approach life and business.

i choose to take responsibility for everything that happens to me.

i choose to see everything that happens is for my benefit.

life is a great wisdom mirror to show me exactly where i am in any given moment, my level of conscious understanding is perfectly communicated to me in every waking moment, if i surrender the illusion of control, or of identifying with anything remotely resembling an outcome.

funny, isnt' it? ;)

p.s.

I don't like the idea of waiting. I hate waiting. People teaching about the LOA always talk about waiting for results. Is there a version of the LOA that does not require waiting? That would be more interesting to me.

yea. it's called "microwave spirituality" and trust me: i've looked for it for 15 years, and it ain't out there LOL :D

[oceanwave]

adra...

...here is my conjecture on the 'secret'

...it's about being able to 'see' synchronistic events as they happen and being able to 'seize' that 'moment of chance' as they 'appear'

...because, the way i see it is this

...everything begins from your intent (and, imo, that's possibly thousands per hour, or per minute, notwithstanding all other beings intentions)

...that's a lot of energetic 'lines' (potential manifestations) that need to 'connect' with the outer (of you) in order to 'appear' 'here'

...so, to put it simply (this awkward explanation of mine)

...the 'secret' is in the 'timing'...






(as you can see this is a 'work in progress' lol)

[adramelech]

i believed because i wanted to believe. period, end of report. something happened, and i forgive myself for that illusion. it seemed like a good idea at the time.

but that's just the way i approach life and business.

i choose to take responsibility for everything that happens to me.

i choose to see everything that happens is for my benefit.

That's all well and good when you're having a philosophical moment, but you draw the line somewhere, I guarantee it. If a psychopath were to break into your home and murder your family or put you into a coma, surely you would realize that this is not to your benefit and that you had nothing to do with it? Or would you?

Part of the psychology that attracts people to victim blaming or The Secret logic can be found in things like Stockholm Syndrome or Battered Wives Syndrome. Give this a read and compare with general examples:

http://heart-2-heart.ca/women/page4.html

By making excuses or taking responsibility for your own victimization, you are only further empowering the abuser.

[adramelech]

adra...

...here is my conjecture on the 'secret'

...it's about being able to 'see' synchronistic events as they happen and being able to 'seize' that 'moment of chance' as they 'appear'

...because, the way i see it is this

...everything begins from your intent (and, imo, that's possibly thousands per hour, or per minute, notwithstanding all other beings intentions)

...that's a lot of energetic 'lines' (potential manifestations) that need to 'connect' with the outer (of you) in order to 'appear' 'here'

...so, to put it simply (this awkward explanation of mine)

...the 'secret' is in the 'timing'...






(as you can see this is a 'work in progress' lol)

This is the closest to reality you'll find within the context of a LOA belief system.

You are basically saying that by working hard on something and focusing attention on it, you will notice opportunities and scenarios that you can use to advance your ideas. Excuse me, but... DUH. This isn't the Universal Law of Attraction, it's the Law of Common Sense. The Secret presents this sort of thing in that airy-fairy self-help/New Age way and people get completely taken in by it. It doesn't help that it is then attached to some Eastern mysticism or elite teachings.

Focusing your attention doesn't create the opportunities, it allows you to notice them. Assuming otherwise is using post hoc reasoning, a logical fallacy that is one of the many psychological tricks responsible for The Secret appearing to "work".

It's like carrying a good luck charm with you to a football match. You could lose five times and win five times, but every time you win you would attribute it to the good luck charm's influence and every time you lose it "just wasn't working".

[i am all i am]

sean, I hate to break it to you, but I'm probably more familiar with the entire history of New Thought and the Universal Laws than anyone else on this forum. I've read all of Icke's books and have been researching all of the subjects he writes about before he did. I have been applying many principles of thought influence in my life for over a decade. I could explain to you in intimate detail why things like The Secret appear to work for people and why they become so enamored with the belief. With that said, you can stop the cult objections of "You just don't UNDERSTAND. You need to read our pamphlet to reach true enlightenment."

This thread is not discussing a deep metaphysical exploration of thought influencing reality, it's discussing an old New Age scam used to part a fool and his money. Things like The Secret do that by reducing said metaphysical and purely symbolic principles into juvenile, desperate self-help fluff attached to dangerous, borderline psychopathic beliefs. The elite push this heavily in many avenues, from New Age religions to mainstream network television. The Secret was recently featured heavily on Oprah, the largest daytime talkshow in America. They are really keeping this ANCIENT SECRET down, huh?

Sixteen and a half years.

I had acepted the belief that my back was going to be fucked because I believed what I had been told. Doctors had told me that the condition that I had as a small child, I had for life, and it would only deteriorate as I got older. I believed their thought pattern, and therefore, through my choice to believe their thought pattern, I attracted the experience of braking my back in three places and losing all sensation and movement in the legs. MY choice.

For the previous eight and a half years I have healed myself through THOUGHT / WORD / ACTION, no one else, no doctors, etc, ME. I believe that all is possible. All is one, and therefore, if one thing is possible, then all things are possible within the infinite creation that we experience. So, in a mere eight years and three and a bit months, I have recovered totally the sensations in my legs and readjusted the skeletal structure of the body to a more harmonious position and state of functioning.

Does it work and do I create MY reality ???.....fuck yes, in MY experience, it works and I am the one that creates MY reality. What happened to me was a positive experience because I had chosen it on MY journey to waking up. It was the perfect experience to focus my awareness by forcing myself to compltely let go of all of the baggage that I carried around. It was the culmination of all THOUGHTS / WORDS / ACTIONS that had led perfectly to that experience to allow me the opportunity to wake up to WHO I AM.

The information in 'The Secret' may not be the whole deal, but it is a start for people that have chosen THEIR path. I have chosen for myself without having watched the film, because what I do already works. Once people become awakened to Who They Are, it matters not what path that they have chosen, even starting with 'The Secret', when they remember Who They Are.

"A thousand mile jurney begins with one step" - Lao-Tzu.

Who is to say for someone else which direction they should step in, for when you are in the middle of the shit, any direction is the same as another.

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds, and the pessimist fears this is true."
- James Branch Cabell


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[oceanwave]

You are basically saying that by working hard on something and focusing attention on it, you will notice opportunities and scenarios that you can use to advance your ideas.

i am speaking of 'energy' and being able to observe it as it happens...synchronistically (ala carl gustav jung)...

...no hard work involved, just perception, observation and awareness

...being able to 'read' the universe as it were, like abstract things that make no sense individually, but as a whole they do...to put it simply...

Excuse me, but... DUH. This isn't the Universal Law of Attraction, it's the Law of Common Sense. The Secret presents this sort of thing in that airy-fairy self-help/New Age way and people get completely taken in by it. It doesn't help that it is then attached to some Eastern mysticism or elite teachings.

i should apologise here...

...i wasn't talking about The Secret..but, a 'secret' involving energy, synchronicity and intent

...sorry for misleading you, and everyone, i should have made that clear...

Focusing your attention doesn't create the opportunities, it allows you to notice them. Assuming otherwise is using post hoc reasoning, a logical fallacy that is one of the many psychological tricks responsible for The Secret appearing to "work".

i agree...

...noticing allows you to 'seize the moment' of the abstractness that seems incoherent and then another comes along and another and another, etc, all making 'sense' of the nonsense..like a jigsaw...

It's like carrying a good luck charm with you to a football match. You could lose five times and win five times, but every time you win you would attribute it to the good luck charm's influence and every time you lose it "just wasn't working".

indeed...

...btw, i do agree that The Secret is nothing more than a rehashing of ideas already spoken of down the centuries, 'tarted up' for todays viewing pleasure...

[eternal_spirit]

Not to mention random chaos of events. The saying it was a lucky break, or bad luck that made something happen. You're own freewill in making a desicion can predetermine future events, the freewill of others can also effect the outcome.

I think to control you're own destiny it's more being aware of all the possibilities and making the right choices at the right time, which could be said to be by chance or an educated guess.

The idea of succeeding or doing anything starts in the mind, but to make it real, you have to go out and make it physically happen, that's when the reality of some situations starts to sink in, some things are impossible to achieve, there can be a fine line between reality and imagined realitys which is but an illusion.

I think what Icke means, is if in you're mind you believe a reality you want to create, you have to project that reality into the real world and live it, like a set of values such as.... respect, love and peace, the more you project and live this reality the more real it becomes for yourself and others around you.

[seanx]

Things like The Secret do that by reducing said metaphysical and purely symbolic principles into juvenile, desperate self-help fluff attached to dangerous, borderline psychopathic beliefs

You may have a point here - but I for one never mentioned the
'secret book.

It is clearly one of those American-type pop psychology books
that promise you the moon and the stars. ( though I am all I
am has a good point if it introduces people to this idea)

But,of course it's not simply a case of 'thinking' yourself to
success or money.

You can 'think' about success all day long but if your deepest
eliefs patterns, (most of which we are unaware of )
are not aligned with such thoughts - all you''ll experience is
conflict and frustration.

Yes, books like the Secret sensationaize and simplfy this way of
looking at reality - this law has nothing to do with victim blaming.

it has to do with realizing you CAN be free.

Although our freedom will be limited by what we can really
believe.

I may say I can fly - however what creates my reality is not my
conscious declaration but by CORE unconscious beliefs,
what I really f**** FEEL in my bones and not what I'd like
to feel -or hope to feel.

Now I may like to fly - but because of the 'weight' of the
collective unconscious which we are all a part of that
says such a thing is impossible -it would take a hell of
a lot of work for me to get my core beliefs into such a
state of knowing that such a thing was possible for
me now.

So of course i couldn't fly - however that does not rule out the
possibility that it is possible.

However, we are only at the START of this conscious revolution.

So most of us are concentrating on using this law in the basic
practicalities of life - as I am all I am proves in his example.

You can look on it in a negative way and say it is victim blaming.

it is NOTHING of the sort.

it's saying to people this world around them is not as it seems.

It is open and responsive to you - and as you face your
collective unconscious and release all the unconscious
programs that have been UNCONSCIOUSLY running your life-
you can consciously create the reality YOU want.

That's why Jung said the same thing.

'Unless we make the unconscious conscious, we will call it FATE and
it will run our lives and we'll never be free'

it seems we can be victims or we can be free. it's up to each one of us.

[purple is a fruit]

You may have a point here - but I for one never mentioned the
'secret book.

It is clearly one of those American-type pop psychology books
that promise you the moon and the stars. ( though I am all I
am has a good point if it introduces people to this idea)

But,of course it's not simply a case of 'thinking' yourself to
success or money.

You can 'think' about success all day long but if your deepest
eliefs patterns, (most of which we are unaware of )
are not aligned with such thoughts - all you''ll experience is
conflict and frustration.

Yes, books like the Secret sensationaize and simplfy this way of
looking at reality - this law has nothing to do with victim blaming.

it has to do with realizing you CAN be free.

Although our freedom will be limited by what we can really
believe.

I may say I can fly - however what creates my reality is not my
conscious declaration but by CORE unconscious beliefs,
what I really f**** FEEL in my bones and not what I'd like
to feel -or hope to feel.

Now I may like to fly - but because of the 'weight' of the
collective unconscious which we are all a part of that
says such a thing is impossible -it would take a hell of
a lot of work for me to get my core beliefs into such a
state of knowing that such a thing was possible for
me now.

So of course i couldn't fly - however that does not rule out the
possibility that it is possible.

However, we are only at the START of this conscious revolution.

So most of us are concentrating on using this law in the basic
practicalities of life - as I am all I am proves in his example.

You can look on it in a negative way and say it is victim blaming.

it is NOTHING of the sort.

it's saying to people this world around them is not as it seems.

It is open and responsive to you - and as you face your
collective unconscious and release all the unconscious
programs that have been UNCONSCIOUSLY running your life-
you can consciously create the reality YOU want.

That's why Jung said the same thing.

'Unless we make the unconscious conscious, we will call it FATE and
it will run our lives and we'll never be free'

it seems we can be victims or we can be free. it's up to each one of us.

Fantastic post seanx :D

[eternal_spirit]

I believe we all have power inside ourselves to make things happen, as though we can wish or will not through magick rituals or a standard formula in a book. It's inherint in our nature.

[purple is a fruit]

I believe we all have power inside ourselves to make things happen, as though we can wish or will not through magick rituals or a standard formula in a book. It's inherint in our nature.


I agree

Take off all the fluffiness, bells and whistles and this is the secret.:)
We are not powerless, as we have been indoctrinated to believe we are.

[thirdwave]

that's the point..

i demonstrated a few popular points of view, just to show what we are arguing about.

we are simply arguing about our beliefs! we are not communicating. we are constantly judging everyone except ourselves, we are telling others what to do and who they are. there is only one correct opinion and it is my opinion, that's what we are all thinking, because we all believe something.

and what we do most of all, is project our fears to others. they all have to be as scared as we are, or else dead.

;)



I understand what you are saying ...its views on what is possible and what is not.... and my view is if people still cant except channelling other beings is not possible and not real then its more a case of them not understanding true reality....

[father ted]

Didn't Icke write about the rosicrutians, as well as many others' like Maxwell?

One of the things that concerns me is that "the secret" IS telling you to ignore your dark side, ignore your all that is wrong with yourself and the world, not to go inside your psyche to recognise what is wrong, all the filth, in order to mend it; instead, it's basically saying, oh, ladidah, look at the positive (and ignore all the things that are the cause of problems in the first place) and nothing else, look how it's worked for all these OTHER people- who all happen to be illuminati related, and that everything will be fine, don't worry about anything else, there is no problem, ect ect, blah blah blah.

This seems to be nothing but new age mentality.

[purple is a fruit]

Didn't Icke write about the rosicrutians, as well as many others' like Maxwell?

One of the things that concerns me is that "the secret" IS telling you to ignore your dark side, ignore your all that is wrong with yourself and the world, not to go inside your psyche to recognise what is wrong, all the filth, in order to mend it; instead, it's basically saying, oh, ladidah, look at the positive (and ignore all the things that are the cause of problems in the first place) and nothing else, look how it's worked for all these OTHER people- who all happen to be illuminati related, and that everything will be fine, don't worry about anything else, there is no problem, ect ect, blah blah blah.

This seems to be nothing but new age mentality.

i did not recall it saying to IGNORE anything bad. It showed that in order to create the change one must acknowledge the bad and then project the reality they would prefer to see, and not focus on the one they do not wish to see. In other words, be aware but do not dwell negatively on it and instead, focus on the outcome desired.

i thought that message came through quite clearly? maybe it is a perspective thing.

[thirdwave]

I think it was an interesting point about manifesting it NOW and not waiting....

I think its %100 possible to manifest it now and I think there have been beings that have done this years back on this planet and were worshiped for it...

now, the reason we seem to find it very difficult if not impossible, is our perception on time.... we are locked in time.... so we are constantly agknoledge the reality we have just created and there for we cant change it unless we can brake out of the time grid lock we are in....

its almost like we do not perceive what we have created quick enough to have an immediate effect on it... that being said sometimes this is managed to be done and we don't always even notice we have done it most of the time...

Belief is a very powerful thing... most of us are constantly believing what we see outside our self's... we view things as an outside world that we judge things on.... and there is no way you can instantly manifest while thinking this way.... because you believe its the way it is so much so that you are waiting for IT to give you indications of something otherwise.... which wont happen...

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

What is the secret anways?

[eternal_spirit]

Didn't Icke write about the rosicrutians, as well as many others' like Maxwell?

look how it's worked for all these OTHER people- who all happen to be illuminati related, and that everything will be fine, don't worry about anything else, there is no problem, ect ect, blah blah blah.

This seems to be nothing but new age mentality.

Yes, think Icke covers the Rosicrucians in the Biggest Secret , it was a name change from the Knights Templar.

See what you mean about these people being Illuminati equals them having all the tools to get what ever they want via bankers(loans money) business oppurtunitys, you name it they're all in the same masonic club and make sure they get what they want from each other.

Then they'll sell a book and a ritualisitic system to the poor people the masses saying this is how you attract what you need or desire.

When it doesn't work like it says in the books, some people will realise they have been fooled. Others will feel inadequate because they couldn't manifest what they desired and even go off and buy more books to line the pockets of the Illuminati writers.

[i am all i am]

What is the secret anways?

That there is no secret !!!

But shhhhhhhh........it's a secret.



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[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

That there is no secret !!!

But shhhhhhhh........it's a secret.



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WHAT?!

Jerks! Those damn scientology jerks!
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[thirdwave]

What is the secret anways?


http://thesecret.tv/home.html

[seanx]

Eternal spirit wrote:
Then they'll sell a book and a ritualisitic system to the poor people the masses saying this is how you attract what you need or desire.

When it doesn't work like it says in the books, some people will realise they have been fooled. Others will feel inadequate because they couldn't manifest what they desired and even go off and buy more books to line the pockets of the Illuminati writers.

That is a good point. A lot of people are abusing these ideas
to make a quick buck - by telling people just change a few
thoughts - and hey presto - all your problems will be solved.

And when it doesn't work as simply as that - there is a danger
that these thousands of people will judge these ideas as
totally fake.

So that definitely is a danger. But maybe it may encourage
other people to investigate it properly - it's positive potential as well as
it's negative potential.

[tru3]

That's all well and good when you're having a philosophical moment, but you draw the line somewhere, I guarantee it. If a psychopath were to break into your home and murder your family or put you into a coma, surely you would realize that this is not to your benefit and that you had nothing to do with it? Or would you?

ad, c'mon. how could i possibly know that? if pigs had wings they'd be eagles. if your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle. we could set up scenarios till the cows come home.

a mother protecting her cubs is the most natural response in the world. but mama bear doesn't sit around obsessing about being victimized, either.

the one illusion i have disabused myself of almost completely is the illusion of control. again, i put my intention out there, as joyfully as i can, and let go of the outcome.

like b.d. said, we're all sitting around arguing about our belief systems. i freely admit this is a belief-- that works for me. i don't pretend it's a truth for anyone else; it's not even a truth for me, it's a belief. i judge by results; often harsh, but always fair. when the belief no longer serves me, i let it go. and, in the meantime, i remain open to new possibilities. that's why i appreciate everyone's perspective on this thread, including yours, ad. :)

in fact, i don't even want to argue about the validity/nonvalidity of the loa. i've been down this road before with teslafire, and i see no need to keep beating a dead horse. i want to stick to the thread which as you said,

Originally Posted by adramelech
This thread is not discussing a deep metaphysical exploration of thought influencing reality, it's discussing an old New Age scam used to part a fool and his money. Things like The Secret do that by reducing said metaphysical and purely symbolic principles into juvenile, desperate self-help fluff attached to dangerous, borderline psychopathic beliefs. The elite push this heavily in many avenues, from New Age religions to mainstream network television. The Secret was recently featured heavily on Oprah, the largest daytime talkshow in America. They are really keeping this ANCIENT SECRET down, huh?

i fundamentally agree with you on this. it's spiritual materialism. and they are preying on people's need for a "silver bullet". it's always been so; people have been spinning prayer wheels and making burnt offerings for thousand of years, and yet here we are. that's what i meant by the source of the delusion. the source of the delusion, imo, is the human mind, combined with fear generated by the survival drives. the loomies just exploit the fact that the mind, used alone without the aid of the small still voice, cannot tell the difference between reality and illusion.

most of the loomies time and energy goes not into spinning esoteric value systems (they keep using the same tried and true ones over and over), but rather in attempting to short-circuit the connection to the higher self. and, it looks like to me they've gotten pretty good at it.

does that make us victims? yes, until we become aware that we've been victimized. then, it doesn't matter who perpetrated, it's up to us to liberate ourselves. no one can do it for us. to have the awareness and not to act on it is, imo, the real prison, the real abuse.

the authors of the secret aren't in the elite, but the elite see the value of what they're doing for their own ends. imo, the elite are shutting the door and laughing their asses off at "the secret", because they fundamentally understand human nature.

anyone who wants to further investigate the loa might look elsewhere than the rosicrucians, imho. the huna tradition provides a much more powerful modality, without all the undercurrents of control and manipulation present in the rosicrucian model.

Part of the psychology that attracts people to victim blaming or The Secret logic can be found in things like Stockholm Syndrome or Battered Wives Syndrome. Give this a read and compare with general examples:

http://heart-2-heart.ca/women/page4.html

By making excuses or taking responsibility for your own victimization, you are only further empowering the abuser.

wow. thanks for pointing that out. i didn't know i was a victim. i don't feel like a victim. :) i guess denial is not just a river in egypt lol.

You can 'think' about success all day long but if your deepest
beliefs patterns, (most of which we are unaware of )
are not aligned with such thoughts - all you''ll experience is
conflict and frustration.

One of the things that concerns me is that "the secret" IS telling you to ignore your dark side, ignore your all that is wrong with yourself and the world, not to go inside your psyche to recognise what is wrong, all the filth, in order to mend it; instead, it's basically saying, oh, ladidah, look at the positive (and ignore all the things that are the cause of problems in the first place) and nothing else, look how it's worked for all these OTHER people- who all happen to be illuminati related, and that everything will be fine, don't worry about anything else, there is no problem, ect ect, blah blah blah.

When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate.
--Carl Jung


bingo. spot on. well said, you two. i'm glad someone understands this aspect of the whole thing. everybody wants the red sports car (metaphorically speaking), but no one wants to do the work required to manifest it: specifically, revealing and releasing said unconscious patterns. the world doesn't have to change for me to get what i want. i do.

the most ironic thing about all this is that, ime, when one does do the work required, the red sports car is no longer that big of a deal. ;)

I had acepted the belief that my back was going to be fucked because I believed what I had been told. Doctors had told me that the condition that I had as a small child, I had for life, and it would only deteriorate as I got older. I believed their thought pattern, and therefore, through my choice to believe their thought pattern, I attracted the experience of braking my back in three places and losing all sensation and movement in the legs. MY choice.

For the previous eight and a half years I have healed myself through THOUGHT / WORD / ACTION, no one else, no doctors, etc, ME. I believe that all is possible. All is one, and therefore, if one thing is possible, then all things are possible within the infinite creation that we experience. So, in a mere eight years and three and a bit months, I have recovered totally the sensations in my legs and readjusted the skeletal structure of the body to a more harmonious position and state of functioning.

Does it work and do I create MY reality ???.....fuck yes, in MY experience, it works and I am the one that creates MY reality. What happened to me was a positive experience because I had chosen it on MY journey to waking up. It was the perfect experience to focus my awareness by forcing myself to compltely let go of all of the baggage that I carried around. It was the culmination of all THOUGHTS / WORDS / ACTIONS that had led perfectly to that experience to allow me the opportunity to wake up to WHO I AM.

The information in 'The Secret' may not be the whole deal, but it is a start for people that have chosen THEIR path. I have chosen for myself without having watched the film, because what I do already works. Once people become awakened to Who They Are, it matters not what path that they have chosen, even starting with 'The Secret', when they remember Who They Are.

great share, iaaia. for me, personal testimony is always the most powerful form of communication. this is a great thread too. thanks to ad, b.d, thirdwave, purple, et al.

i wish i had a place like this to come to years ago. things are so much more out in the open now than they were when i first discovered all this stuff. i consider myself a recovering new ager. in one respect, i've wasted a lot of time down blind alleys; in another respect they are all part of the path, they served me in their own way.

but now the hour seems short, doesn't it? it's time to cut to the chase, to separate the wheat from the chaff. or is that just me?

we need both sides of this dialogue. jmo.

[i_am]

From Masters of the Far East Vol5, Chapter 9, page121

The moment we say ‘I want a certain condition,’ we have barred the way to much good that we did not recognise and have opened but one avenue of expression. Unless the statement were in accord with the fullness of an expanding life the realisation might take a form not anticipated. The very emphasis on want may aggravate the need instead of granting the supply. The moment we put up a bar to the free flow of substance by a limiting statement, we hinder the perfect expression of God’s abundance.

So, it is not simply a case of saying I want whatever. When you say that you want something, what you are actually putting out to the universe is “ I do not have.” The universe recognises the statement as one of verbalising that state of lack and simply accepts.

Keep your vision focused on what you desire, believe it, feel the joy and let go of any attachment to the outcome. Attachment will cause doubts and you don't want negativity creeping into your dream.

From Wikepedia
Jung believed that many experiences perceived as coincidence were due not merely to chance, but instead, suggested the manifestation of parallel events or circumstances reflecting this governing dynamic

So put it out there and watch for the synchronicity. Those 'coincidences' are trying to tell you something. The manifestation of our desire may not be dropped in our lap but certain synchronistic events are showing us how it can be achieved. As oceanwave said, We need to be able to recognise this and seize it.

[bigus_dickus]

i just found this great article (in my opinion), that covers pretty much everything discussed so far on this thread. highly recommended:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=317&Itemid=70

intro:

Thoughts of money lead to selfish acts, study finds

Psychologists find that just the thought of cash can lead to selfish acts.

By Karen Kaplan, Times Staff Writer
November 18, 2006

A team of psychologists has discovered why money can't buy happiness.

Pictures of dollar bills, fantasies of wealth and even wads of Monopoly money arouse feelings of self-sufficiency that result in selfish and often antisocial behavior, according to a study published Friday in the journal Science.

All it took to discourage college students from contributing to a University Student Fund were 15 short phrases such as "a high-paying salary." Those primed by money-related phrases donated an average of 77 cents, compared with $1.34 for students exposed to neutral phrases like "it is cold outside."

"The mere presence of money changes people," said Kathleen Vohs, a professor of marketing at the University of Minnesota and lead author of the study.

Money makes it possible for people to achieve their goals without having to ask friends or acquaintances for help. Therefore, Vohs and her colleagues theorized that even subtle reminders of money would inspire people to be self-reliant — and to expect such behavior from others.

A series of nine experiments confirmed their hypothesis. For example, students who played Monopoly and then were asked to envision a future with great wealth picked up fewer dropped pencils for a fellow student than those who were asked to contemplate a hand-to-mouth existence.

In another experiment, students spent six minutes completing a questionnaire on a computer before a screensaver suddenly appeared. Students who saw fish swimming across their screens later moved their chairs an average of 2 feet, 8 inches from a compatriot, while those who saw currency floating underwater stayed more than 3 feet, 10 inches away.

Money also influenced how people said they preferred to spend their leisure time. A poster of bills and coins prompted students to favor a solitary social activity, such as private cooking lessons, while students sitting across from posters of seascapes and gardens were more likely to opt for a group dinner.

"Money changes people's motivations," said coauthor Nicole Mead, a psychology graduate student at Florida State University. "They are less focused on other people. In this sense, money can be a barrier to social intimacy."

Perhaps their next study will examine whether money is indeed the root of all evil.

[Anders Lindman]

i just found this great article (in my opinion), that covers pretty much everything discussed so far on this thread. highly recommended:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=317&Itemid=70

intro:

Thoughts of money lead to selfish acts, study finds...


I'm not surprised. I wrote somewhere that subconsciously money is THE MOST important thing for people, other than the life of oneself and loved ones I should have added.

We become monsters when it comes to securing our own personal money.

[chewbacca]

That's all well and good when you're having a philosophical moment, but you draw the line somewhere, I guarantee it. If a psychopath were to break into your home and murder your family or put you into a coma, surely you would realize that this is not to your benefit and that you had nothing to do with it? Or would you?

Part of the psychology that attracts people to victim blaming or The Secret logic can be found in things like Stockholm Syndrome or Battered Wives Syndrome. Give this a read and compare with general examples:

http://heart-2-heart.ca/women/page4.html

By making excuses or taking responsibility for your own victimization, you are only further empowering the abuser.

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