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john white
03-02-2007, 01:04 PM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/03022007/325/bird-flu-found-lowestoft-farm.html

Bird flu found on Lowestoft farm Saturday February 3, 10:05 AM

LONDON (Reuters) - An outbreak of bird flu on a farm run by Europe's biggest turkey manufacturer Bernard Matthews has killed 2,500 birds, government officials said on Saturday.

Government veterinary experts were called to the farm near Lowestoft late on Thursday and preliminary tests show the birds were killed by the H5 strain of avian flu.

Further tests are under way to identify the strain more

precisely, and restrictions are in place to stop the movement of birds to or from the site.
"All poultry farmers are in shock as we had no inkling that is had suddenly turned up in England," National Farmers' Union Poultry Board chairman Charles Bourns told Reuters.

"The last time sales dropped between two to three percent, but it was enough to affect the market place as there was a lot of discounting."

The farm has 160,000 turkeys, but only one of the 22 sheds that house the birds has so far been affected by the outbreak.

In May, 50,000 chickens at three farms in Norfolk -- home to some of Europe's biggest poultry farms -- were culled and disposed of after the H7N3 strain of bird flu was detected.

A wild swan found dead in Scotland in March 2006 had the highly pathogenic H5N1 version of the bird flu virus which can kill humans. It was thought to have caught the disease elsewhere, died at sea and been washed ashore in Scotland.

Bourns said those two scares cost the poultry industry 58 million pounds in 2006.

The H5N1 virus is known to have infected 270 people and killed at least 164 worldwide since 2003, most of them in Asia, and over 200 million birds have died from it or have been killed to prevent its spread.

An outbreak of H7N3 in the Netherlands in 2003 led to the culling of a third of the poultry flock. It also infected around 90 people, including a veterinarian who died.

"Any avian flu virus is contagious and this one is causing deaths in birds," said the President of the British Veterinary Association David Catlow.

"If it is H5N1, there will be plans to cull it out completely before it has a chance to spread to other farms. The most appropriate response is to have immediate plans for facilities to slaughter the birds if it turns out to be H5N1."

Avian flu expert Colin Butter of the Institute of Animal Health added: "This news is a bit surprising because it's not the time of year when we have a lot of bird migration.

"We would not expect this to happen in the middle of winter. If it was going to happen we would expect it to happen in spring."



Right about on "schedule"

21_12_2012
03-02-2007, 01:59 PM
They can stick their vaccinations where the sun doesn't shine.

bookini
03-02-2007, 02:32 PM
Avian flu expert Colin Butter of the Institute of Animal Health added: "This news is a bit surprising because it's not the time of year when we have a lot of bird migration.

"We would not expect this to happen in the middle of winter. If it was going to happen we would expect it to happen in spring."


How strange....so how actually did it get there I wonder? It just appeared out of mid-air :rolleyes:

horseflesh
03-02-2007, 05:00 PM
So what do you guys reckon ?, is this more scare mongering ?, or is it a genuine disease outbreak ?, or a staged/managed outbreak ?.

john white
03-02-2007, 05:28 PM
So what do you guys reckon ?, is this more scare mongering ?, or is it a genuine disease outbreak ?, or a staged/managed outbreak ?.

Quite possibly all three (as in a scare about an outbreak of a created disease). I do find this curious:

Avian flu expert Colin Butter of the Institute of Animal Health added: "This news is a bit surprising because it's not the time of year when we have a lot of bird migration.

"We would not expect this to happen in the middle of winter. If it was going to happen we would expect it to happen in spring

Weather warning: expect clouds of FEAR (do NOT sucumb)

john white
03-02-2007, 07:00 PM
Its been very busy on the global scene:



Japan Confirms Deadly Bird Flu Outbreak

The Associated Press
Saturday, February 3, 2007; 1:41 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/03/AR2007 020300159.html

TOKYO -- Japanese authorities on Saturday confirmed the country's fourth outbreak of the virulent H5N1 strain of the bird flu virus at a poultry farm in the country's south.

About two dozen chickens were found dead at the farm in Shintomi, southwestern Miyazaki state, last month. The birds had been infected with the H5N1 strain deadly to humans, the Agricultural Ministry said Saturday
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Bird flu returns to EU in confirmed Hungarian outbreak

Monday, January 29, 2007.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1835838.htm

The European Commission has confirmed the first outbreak of the deadly H5N1 bird flu virus in the European Union since last summer, after tests on Hungarian geese proved positive.
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Fowl round-up in bird flu scare

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=161&id=98962007

Fri 19 Jan 2007

RESIDENTS in Jakarta handed over hundreds of chickens and other fowl for slaughter today as authorities in the Indonesian capital scrambled to stop the spread of bird flu after a spike in the number of human deaths.




Is that a pattern I discern?

Oh, and another UK article:

Bird flu alert as 1,000 turkeys found dead in Suffolk

http://www.guardian.co.uk/birdflu/story/0,,2005157,00.html

· Bernard Matthews farm calls in vets after outbreak
· Preliminary tests confirm traces of H5 virus

Thair Shaikh
Saturday February 3, 2007
The Guardian

An outbreak of bird flu at a turkey farm in Suffolk has killed more than 1,000 birds, the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said last night.

Preliminary tests at a Bernard Matthews farm in Holton, near Lowestoft, where there are three factories, found traces of the H5 virus in the poultry. Further tests are necessary to determine whether it is the H5N1 strain, which can be deadly to humans, a spokesman said.

Government vets were called to the site late on Thursday after hundreds of birds showed signs of illness that included going off their food and general malaise, symptoms associated with bird flu.

A Defra spokesman that the farmer had noticed "significant mortality" among his flock and that the site had been placed under restrictions.

"Preliminary tests have indicated that the avian influenza virus is present in samples from poultry found dead on the premises," a statement said. "Results show that it is the H5 strain of the virus but further confirmatory tests are in progress to identify the strain more fully and more will be known today.

"The affected premises were put under restriction and the appropriate contingency plan has been put into effect."

Officials stressed that the high mortality rate did not necessarily mean that it was H5N1 avian flu.

Dr Robert McCracken, former president of the British Veterinary Association and a specialist in bird diseases, said that mortality rates among turkeys with viruses were usually very high. "They are highly susceptible to infection, there could be an avian flu infection in ducks and we would not always notice it because the mortality rate is so low. In some infections in which 50% of chickens might die, we could still expect 100% mortality among turkeys."

He said that if the birds had been allowed outside, wild migratory birds could have been the source. "If these birds were kept indoors it would be very disappointing."

Daniel Parkes, of the British Poultry Veterinary Association, said: "The fact that it is H5 means that it is the highly pathogenic avian influenza, but it does not necessarily mean that it is H5N1. First and foremost we need to stress that it has been identified on a farm and they will try and contain it on that farm."

A spokesman for Bernard Matthews said that experts from Defra were investigating the outbreak.

In May, 50,000 chickens were culled after an outbreak of the H7 bird flu in Norfolk. In April, a poultry worker contracted H7 in the form of conjunctivitis - he is thought to have caught it on the Norfolk farm where the disease was discovered.

Only one other person is known to have contracted an H7 infection in Britain. In 1996 an Oxfordshire woman cleaned out her duck house before she was infected but a bird source was never confirmed.

A swan found washed up in a Scottish bay in March tested positive for H5N1.

Last month the Department of Health announced that thousands of poultry workers are to be offered free influenza jabs in an attempt to stop new forms of bird flu emerging. More than 60,000 farmers, vets and others who have close contact with poultry will be eligible. The government hopes that the vaccine will cut the risk that workers may catch human and bird flu at the same time, allowing the viruses to mutate and create new, contagious strains

lord rothlizard
04-02-2007, 04:10 AM
The news of this and the Birmingham terror plot to kidnap Uk citizens. Just more staged events to make us accept the police state and further the illuminati's goals.

bookini
04-02-2007, 02:18 PM
The United Nations' Co-ordinator for bird flu, David Nabarro, has said farmers will have to get used to the presence of the disease in the UK as it is "going to be in bird populations for several years to come".


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6328889.stm


He seems very specific, maybe he's also a psychic!

lindaloo
04-02-2007, 04:33 PM
Bird flu my ass.

This is just another diversion away from Bliars headlines on cash for peerages.

OOOOOOOOOOO we gotta stop the population talking about the damage to poor Tony, lets put the bird flu crap out there that will do the trick (WRONG)

Anyone for a tamiflu quick fix? or perhaps a jab in the arm, up urs I say.

Any one who eats meat and poultry are fodder for bird flu, Go VEGAN THEN YOU WONT GET BRAIN DAMAGE eating Meat pumped full of toxins.

All dairy produce is full of brain damaging toxins too.

Dont need a brain to figure that out.

Then there are the CHEMTRAILS in the skies spraying us on a daily basis with more CHEMICALS, THEY ARE DEFINATLEY OUT TO KILL US ALL:eek:

BUSH AND BLAIR FOR THE ELECTRIC CHAIR.

edelweiss pirate
04-02-2007, 07:38 PM
Relax... Chemtrails are an attempt to block out the sun to mitigate the effects of global warming so big business can carry on being big business....

Bush n' blair 4 the chair... I like that, it rhymes!

Not sure if it's keeping in with the spirit of infinite love but it would certainly act as an effective deterent to future tiny tyrants...

purple is a fruit
05-02-2007, 09:29 AM
Relax... Chemtrails are an attempt to block out the sun to mitigate the effects of global warming so big business can carry on being big business....

Bush n' blair 4 the chair... I like that, it rhymes!

Not sure if it's keeping in with the spirit of infinite love but it would certainly act as an effective deterent to future tiny tyrants...


relax?

Do you feel that the spraying of Barium, aluminium and numerous other toxins in the sky is something to relax about? regardless of the reasons behind the chemtrails( I feel there is more to it than what you are saying here)
The damaging effects to health and mind cannot be ignored here.

some interesting links on chemtrails and scalar for anyone interested

http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails.htm
http://lime-zone.blogspot.com/2007/01/once-upon-scalar-sky.html

them
05-02-2007, 11:48 AM
How strange....so how actually did it get there I wonder? It just appeared out of mid-air :rolleyes:

Matthews other operation is in Hungary. The strain the Turkey's contracted is exactly the same as the outbreak in Hungary a couple of weeks ago. No two outbreaks so far have been exactly the same strain.

You work it out!

lookfar
05-02-2007, 11:58 AM
relax?

Do you feel that the spraying of Barium, aluminium and numerous other toxins in the sky is something to relax about? regardless of the reasons behind the chemtrails( I feel there is more to it than what you are saying here)
The damaging effects to health and mind cannot be ignored here.

some interesting links on chemtrails and scalar for anyone interested

http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails.htm
http://lime-zone.blogspot.com/2007/01/once-upon-scalar-sky.html

I agree Purple. I also think there is a lot more to it than just an attempt at blocking out the sun. If that was the case they'd be telling us they were doing this, rather than sneaking it into planes here & there and denying all existence. Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but I've not heard anyone officially come out and say that's the cause of them? Also doesn't explain the extortionately high rise in "unknown respiratory illnesses" around the world over the past few years.

I'll also check out those links, thanks.

Just seen this on the BBC News...

"Experts Hunt for Bird Flu Source"... (but you can be sure they're not looking towards the Government!!) :)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6330167.stm

john white
05-02-2007, 11:47 PM
Well here's something intreguing...looks like this bird flu outbreak may be co-inciding with a Bird Flu Drill...what a shocka!

Here's more details of the flu pandemic exercise that took place last week. It was called "Winter Willow." This really is the coincidence of the century! (Along with the similar exercise that coincided with the last British bird-flu case; and along with the exercise that coincided with the 7/7 attacks that mirrored them almost exactly; and along with all the exercises that coincided with the 9/11 attacks.)
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BRITAIN 'CLOSED OFF' IN KILLER FLU PLANS
By Vincent Moss Political Editor
Sunday Mirror, 3 December 2006

THOUSANDS of people will take part in a giant exercise next month to prepare Britain for a lethal bird flu outbreak - with parts of the country sealed off and patrolled by police.

Operation "Winter Willow" will involve all the emergency services, town hall officials and government ministers including Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt and Environment Secretary David Miliband.

Police will stop people entering the exclusion zones and emergency centres will be set up. Ministers are also considering allowing TV cameras to film the exercise to ease public fears.

The Government has drawn up the contingency plans amid concern that bird flu could mutate into a form which can be transmitted between humans. The exercise will take place in two stages, starting on January 30 and then February 19 and 20.

Government experts fear up to seven million Britons could die in a major outbreak. A senior minister said: "That is a worst case scenario. But we are overdue for a flu pandemic and when it arrives as many as one in four people could be affected."

Precautions could include closing public transport and masks being issued to millions of people. There have been 250 cases of bird flu in humans in Asia since 2003, plus suspected human cases in Somalia and South Korea.

Source: http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=britain--closed-off--in -killer-flu-plans-&method=full&objectid=18199455&siteid=62484-name_pag e.html

The Cabinet Office / Preparing for Emergencies Powerpoint presentation of Winter Willow is here: (1.4Mb)

http://www.pfe.gov.uk/business/exercise_winter_willow1.ppt

Incredible coincidence that Winter Willow 1 or WW1 took place on 30.1.6 the very same day that the first turkeys died at Holton.

The template they use is called Cold Play.

The Health Protection Agency (HPA) Centre for Emergency Preparedness & Response, Porton Down, has designed an off-the-shelf pandemic flu exercise, Exercise Cold Play.

http://www.dhsspsni.gov.uk/phpanflubulletinsept06.pdf

Winter Willow WW1 & WW2 are a follow on from Exercise Shared Goal that took place in June 2006.

http://www.gnn.gov.uk/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=207698&NewsAreaID=2

Looks like WW1 & WW2 are taking place over 3 weeks beginning 31.1.7

http://www.continuityforum.org/news/1106/business_continuity/BCM_exerc ise_pandemic_flu


An article from the Sunday Times just over a week ago described Winter Willow: "THE government is to conduct the largest emergency exercise since the cold war on Tuesday to test whether it could cope in the event of a flu epidemic in Britain. Confidential plans have been circulated in Whitehall that will involve thousands of civil servants and officials from the emergency services. Some government advisers believe that a bird flu epidemic has overtaken terrorism as the biggest risk facing the country."

The original link for the article is here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2570055,00.html
but the Times website is playing up at the moment, so you can alternatively read the full article here: http://www.planforpandemic.com/viewtopic.php?p=44259

February 4 2007

CIWF has never been allowed to visit Matthews' factories

Media frenzy - driving political hot potatoes away from the front pages - is as predictable as it is dismaying. Scaremongering about human health ("public told not to panic") tends to silence protest at the mass gassing of birds. Behind the bureaucratic demands for poultry to be put indoors within a 10km protection zone and the nationwide banning of pigeon races one hears the slamming of the stable door. As we have often regretted, DEFRA has not chosen vaccination as even part of their strategy to combat this global pandemic.

As Dr Ruth Watkins asked in an article written many months ago for the CLA, "... Why not vaccinate free-range poultry and pheasants as well as hold vaccine in reserve to ring vaccinate an outbreak in a domestic flock? Vaccination may be found necessary in bio-secure flocks to prevent breakdowns of infection in intensive poultry systems. If we do not order or make any vaccine for birds then we can never use it. Are we heading for another disaster on the scale of 2001?"

Pheasants are especially vulnerable to infection from wild birds. They are reared in Spring and then released into the local habitat. Vaccinating young pheasants before release would be the sensible option. As today's Independent on Sunday says, the outbreak "casts doubt on the adequacy of defences against the disease, which the Government had said were the best in the world."

Once again we hear of "increasing risks of it arriving through migrating birds" The Bernard Matthews farms are strictly controlled and impermeable. Not even the highly respected Compassion in World Farming has ever been allowed in to visit. One correspondent, after mentioning the Bernard Matthews farms all over Europe, including Hungary, writes, "And they are telling us that it was a little sparrow in the ventilation system? Don't make me laugh!"

http://www.warmwell.com/h5n1.html

lord rothlizard
06-02-2007, 02:26 AM
Failed terror plots, bird flu and now a letter bomb going off at the offices of a government contractor. Shite, Shite and more shite!!! Is there anything that reptile fecker Blair won't do to get the media attention off his back? Nothing on this God forsaken planet surprises me anymore.:mad:

them
06-02-2007, 11:36 AM
Well here's something intreguing...looks like this bird flu outbreak may be co-inciding with a Bird Flu Drill...what a shocka!

John; there have been dozens & dozens of bird flu workshops over the last 15 months. One I attended, called operation Mallard, was just down the road from you. It means nothing.

http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/notifiable/disease/ai/wildbirds/index.htm

johnpeters
06-02-2007, 05:01 PM
We all know what's coming next:

We seriously suggest that you have this bird flu jab with lots of poisions in. Purely for your own protection of course. And if you don't then we'll make you have it and arrest you as a troublemaker and enemy of the state.

You're either with us against bird flu or you're with the terrorists.

hagbard_celine
06-02-2007, 06:53 PM
Oh no! Save me, Mr Blair, Save me! :eek: :confused:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/pandemic/worriedvote/

Remember that one? I watched the first half hour then had to switch off. My finger was down my bloody throat! Who said that the BBC doesn't adverise!? The camera shots focused again and agian on the Tamiflu header. Talk about product placement! This show should have had the caption "Sponsored by Tamiflu". One of the experts giving us these nighmarish visions also worked for the Mayo institute, one of the organizations that will receive a multi-million pound contract to produce the bird flu vaccine! Plenty of advertizments use fear and insecurity to sell their products, but usually they are on ITV and they're less than 1 1/2 hours long! I sent a sarcastic email to the BBC, saying very much what this post does verbatim. I received no reply.

If a human pandemic does occur then it will probably not be accidental. The govt will try and exploit it to make us afraid; Mayo and Tamiflu will too, and make a huge pile of cash on the side! As a hospital porter they'll probably try and force me to have the shot. There's no way I'm going to let anyone put an untested vaccine in me just for the sake of govt propaganda! The vaccine will probably kill more people than the bird flu because it will be rushed through without the ususal tests. Panic makes people do stupid things.

lord rothlizard
06-02-2007, 08:04 PM
Indeed, ere we go! BREAKING NEWS - Bird Flu vet rushed to hospital. How predictable.

21_12_2012
06-02-2007, 08:21 PM
We all know what's coming next:

We seriously suggest that you have this bird flu jab with lots of poisions in. Purely for your own protection of course. And if you don't then we'll make you have it and arrest you as a troublemaker and enemy of the state.

You're either with us against bird flu or you're with the terrorists.

Would you have the vaccine John? What about if it meant being arrested for not having it?
I'll be running i think.

john white
06-02-2007, 11:29 PM
Indeed, ere we go! BREAKING NEWS - Bird Flu vet rushed to hospital. How predictable.

your quicker on the mark than me Lord Rothlizard, this off yahoo...


Hospital Checks For Sick Bird Flu Vet Tuesday February 6, 10:08 PM

A senior Government vet involved in the outbreak of bird flu in Suffolk has been admitted to hospital with a mild respiratory illness. The Health Protection Agency said he was undergoing a range of "preliminary and precautionary tests" in Nottingham.

In a statement the hospital said the man's condition was of no "immediate concern".

An HPA spokesman said: "It is highly unlikely (he) has been exposed to H5N1 because of the strict precautionary measures followed.

"The individual

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had not been pre-exposed and was wearing full protective clothing."

He said it was hoped the have the results of the tests early on Wednesday morning.

The vet was called to the Bernard Matthews farm at Holton to investigate the outbreak of the deadly H5N1 virus.

Government vets and staff and have now finished disinfecting the farm after all 160,000 poultry there were culled.

It lies in a part of Suffolk where there are a large number of small-scale and commercial farms.

All those working there have been offered Tamiflu injections as a precaution.

Bernard Matthews has insisted none of the affected birds had entered the food chain.

Environment Secretary David Miliband said the bird flu outbreak posed a "negligible" threat to the public.

He said the advice from experts was that it was completely safe to eat properly-cooked poultry or eggs.

The Government has said it was happy with its response to the crisis, despite criticism about the way the outbreak was handled.


Feel the National Waves of Fear!

And for the record, no I wouldnt want the vaccine! Beneath the spin, all vaccines are pretty much the best way to guarentee getting the disease!

21_12_2012
06-02-2007, 11:54 PM
And for the record, no I wouldnt want the vaccine! Beneath the spin, all vaccines are pretty much the best way to guarentee getting the disease!

And whatever else they decide is to be put in there.
I did read somewhere that Donald Rumsfeld invested millions of dollars (50 million i think) in the bird flu vaccines a couple of years back. He stands to make a tidy profit. Also, after being through 'his hands', who knows what else is contained within the vaccine.

I was asking John Peters for a comment on whether he would refuse the vaccine if it meant being arrested refusing it, but thanks for yours anyway.

them
07-02-2007, 11:42 AM
And for the record, no I wouldnt want the vaccine! Beneath the spin, all vaccines are pretty much the best way to guarentee getting the disease!

Why do you say that? I think that's a bit misleading. Have you had TB & Polio jabs? Have you had Polio or TB?

The flu jab is not live, it's dead. I've had it every year for years and I'm still marching on. Almost everybody in Canada gets the jab & that nation is as populace as it ever was.

Yellow fever made me a bit poorly but that's a live vaccine, big difference..

http://www.virologyj.com/info/quickguide.asp

Your body's immune system fights off infections.

* The first time a new germ (such as a virus) gets into your body, your immune system makes substances called antibodies to kill the virus.
* The next time the germ gets into your body, these antibodies attack and kill it straight away, before it can make you ill.

Vaccines help the body make antibodies before it is infected by a virus. Flu vaccines contain dead or weakened flu viruses. These help your body make antibodies. So when you come into contact with the live flu virus, your body already knows how to fight it.

johnpeters
07-02-2007, 12:39 PM
I would never have another vaccine. If they offer it to you for free you know there's something it it for the establishment. And if there really was a bird flu i would take Oregacyn which kills most germs.

21_12_2012
07-02-2007, 01:36 PM
Why do you say that? I think that's a bit misleading. Have you had TB & Polio jabs? Have you had Polio or TB?

The flu jab is not live, it's dead. I've had it every year for years and I'm still marching on. Almost everybody in Canada gets the jab & that nation is as populace as it ever was.

Yellow fever made me a bit poorly but that's a live vaccine, big difference..

http://www.virologyj.com/info/quickguide.asp

Your body's immune system fights off infections.

* The first time a new germ (such as a virus) gets into your body, your immune system makes substances called antibodies to kill the virus.
* The next time the germ gets into your body, these antibodies attack and kill it straight away, before it can make you ill.

Vaccines help the body make antibodies before it is infected by a virus. Flu vaccines contain dead or weakened flu viruses. These help your body make antibodies. So when you come into contact with the live flu virus, your body already knows how to fight it.

How do you know what's in the vaccines? Have you or anybody qualified enough personally tested them?
The only people who can comment on what actually is contained within any vaccine given to anyone on the face of this earth, is a genuine independant qualified expert on vaccines and their contents who is willing to go public with his findings...otherwise....NOBODY has got a clue what the hell is in any vaccine at any time....on the face of the earth....ever....apart from the evil scum who make the vaccines...it's as simple as that.

It's easy for doctors and other such robots-of-the-system to 'repeat' in their parrot-fashion as to what they have been TOLD is in vaccines....but the actual contents are NEVER revealed...the robots just believe and repeat..and believe and repeat...and that's what keeps the evil vaccine damage going....
I personally know someone who has an autistic child which was caused by the MMR vaccine, which the health service has spent a great deal of time covering up and trying to play down.
The simple fact is...it's all evil....we never needed vaccines in ATLANTEAN times, or in fact any ancient times...so WHY NOW ?

It is all designed to lock down our brains/minds/DNA, and prevent AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE FROM ASCENDING IN 2012...that's what it's REALLY about.

David Icke once wrote that his son has not had any vaccinations, and his doctor said that he was the healthiest child he had ever seen. Says it all really doesn't it.

yellow
07-02-2007, 01:43 PM
Why do you say that? I think that's a bit misleading. Have you had TB & Polio jabs? Have you had Polio or TB?

The flu jab is not live, it's dead. I've had it every year for years and I'm still marching on. Almost everybody in Canada gets the jab & that nation is as populace as it ever was.

Yellow fever made me a bit poorly but that's a live vaccine, big difference..

http://www.virologyj.com/info/quickguide.asp

Your body's immune system fights off infections.

* The first time a new germ (such as a virus) gets into your body, your immune system makes substances called antibodies to kill the virus.
* The next time the germ gets into your body, these antibodies attack and kill it straight away, before it can make you ill.

Vaccines help the body make antibodies before it is infected by a virus. Flu vaccines contain dead or weakened flu viruses. These help your body make antibodies. So when you come into contact with the live flu virus, your body already knows how to fight it.

Thats only half the story many people get over these diseases without even producing an anti body against it as anti bodies are the bodies last line of defense if or else fails.
Flu jabs are based on last years strain and even experts say they offer liittle more than 30% protection.

thimerosol which is far more toxic than pure mercury is in flu jabs which along with aluminum is a leading cause of Alzheimer disease and will weaken your immune system.

Hydrogen peroxide is the way to beat to beat flu, at first onset squirt some 1% solution up your sinuses and in your ears, this really works i have tried it, for bird flu if its even real i would also take the homeopathic remedy tuberculinum avium and Oscillococcinum which is made from a bird flu strain from ducks.

king
07-02-2007, 08:27 PM
Right about on "schedule"

well, it is interesting isn't it?

first, they condition the public on new pandemic that will kill all birds, then animals, then that this killer plague will jump to humans.

and, they spread the fear all around the world, just to keep people conditioned

in process, they start destroying smaller independent farmers, therefore destroying their self sustenance,
they destroy their food source, and they destroy independence of many who culd have bought the food from those smaller farmers when SHTF.

then they go to a larger farm, destroy the birds as a mass scare. As a result -- they pump more antibiotics that people will ingest, poisons that would weaken their immune systems.

then they get 'water rights' to make sure that water is
not affordable and ingredients and additives are controlled.
heck, they even put population reduction hormones in plastic bottles.

All those working there have been offered Tamiflu injections as a precaution.

there are too many people you know.


then they chemtrail us even more, just to keep us more stupified and to make some people really sick.
And, they pt those cell towers near every public place, especially near schools.

then they give cancer to young girls via 'cervical cancer' prevention' and they give infants 50000 of 'safe dose' of mercury. got to keep those who would question system stupified, you know.

then they crank up the haarp, and go crazy on chemtrailing of the populace.

so, is it surprising that food and water will be the ultimate control mechanism?

is it surprising that self-terminating GM food will be form of a control one day not to far from today?

is it surprising that Monsanto has over 11000 patents on seeds, that nature has produced?

we woke up, yes... but we woke up in the middle of a horror show.

now, how do you wake up those who subconsciously know that world is a horror show?

it is not an easy thing to do as we know.

fryertuck
07-02-2007, 08:45 PM
quack quack! :D

unicorn
07-02-2007, 08:46 PM
I had the pleasure of being in a doctor's surgery for a brief spell, & what a worthwile time it was seeing the scaremongering posters in the reception (luckily that was as far in as I went!!). One poster was recommending the bird-flu vaccine. How can they know if you have ordinary flu or bird flu if you haven't been vaccinated against the latter? Laying on the guilt that you could be a carrier who spreads it without even knowing it, unless you have the jab. Funny, how there isn't even a human version of the virus (not that's been disclosed, of course), so how can the vaccine to prevent it already be available? What wisdom...:rolleyes:

Regards vaccines in general... as Antoine Bechampe so wisely said throughout his life, which even Pasteur conceeded on his deathbed... 'the germ is nothing, the soil (blood) is everything', meaning the only thing that brings on dis-ease is our internal state, as all viruses are present everywhere.

As Brian Jenner said, 'There are no diseases, only dis-eased conditions. Pain, doubt & dis-eased conditions are just invitations to see the truth'... so even if vaccines did work (don't make me laugh!!:p ) they are simply hindering our realisation of truth. Vaccines prevent the body's divine & perfect ability to self-heal. Vaccines have been attributed to the rise of cancer in many younger people, as vaccines impede the lymph's production of t-cells, which destroy cancerous cells. So even taking the flu vaccine each year (:eek: ) can have many effects that are unseen. I'd rather have the flu than the vaccine, & if you are succeptible to flu, your immune system needs healing, instead of swamping with poison. I never have the flu, nor the jab, for me it's just a big money spinning con. A con that is bringing serious health problems to millions of people (epilepsy, autism, AD(H)D, cancer, alzheimers, dimentia, mirgaine) & also leaves your body vulnerable to entity possession. Of course this is great news to the drug companies, who will continue to profit from the medication needed post-vaccine.

Sigh

unicorn
07-02-2007, 08:53 PM
now, how do you wake up those who subconsciously know that world is a horror show

Simply by honouring your truth, as you are over-riding the torro dung of the mass consciousness, & as more & more people do so, it will easily tip the scale. Or you can get on stage like David, the dude ;)

100th monkey effect... except there are a few billion monkeys!

jinjo5
08-02-2007, 12:08 AM
So what do you guys reckon ?, is this more scare mongering ?, or is it a genuine disease outbreak ?, or a staged/managed outbreak ?.

One thing that's bothering me,apart from it may all be part of a smokescreen for the 'cash for question row',is that,where's Bernard matthews? has he been culled too?....or maybe he's been told to keep a low profile.It wouldnt surprise me to find out in a few months time that the "outbreak" wasnt as bad as initially thought.....it was just one turkey in the corner of the pen with a slight sniffle......a lem-sip and a paracetamol wouldve have been sufficient.;)

king
08-02-2007, 01:08 AM
Simply by honouring your truth, as you are over-riding the torro dung of the mass consciousness, & as more & more people do so, it will easily tip the scale. Or you can get on stage like David, the dude ;)

100th monkey effect... except there are a few billion monkeys!

yeah, I actually knew the answer on this one.

thanks for reaffirming it that i am doing the right thing.

BTW, that was a great post that you made on vaccines. That is exactly what i think -- if your body is healthy -- creatures cannot have the wild party!

king
08-02-2007, 01:20 AM
in case some people still think that vaccines are good:


If you live in the U.S. you can get an exemption due to your religious beliefs, so if you have none, get some, quick! Even if ya lie!

Please do not put 50,000 PARTS PER MILLION of MERCURY into your sweet new born, beautiful baby.

Did you know the limit of mercury is *3* parts per million??

And that there is up to *50,000* parts per million in one vaccine??

Did you know that they use recombinant monkey viruses to make vaccines??

I say recombinant because when they make these vaccines, they had been using monkeys, but monkeys are notorious for having a whole host of different viruses, that are not known in man, but can easily mutate to make new and strange diseases.

Now a days they SAY they dont use monkeys anymore, only eggs and cow & pig ovaries and other animal parts......

If your child was born healthy, that's the way he/she is. They need no addition to their health!

Mercury, Vaccines and Medicine

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http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/30/mercury_vaccines_medicine.htm

http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/legally_avoid_shots.htm

Quote:

How To Legally Avoid Unwanted Immunizations Of All Kinds


As you read this work and put its principles into practice, there are two basic axioms you never want to forget. They are the rock upon which all your actions are based.

1.

Nobody, anywhere or any time and under any circumstances has the right or power in this country to immunize you or your children against your will and conviction. If they attempt to do so, you can legally charge them with "assault with a deadly weapon" and have the full resources of our laws behind you.
2.

At all times in attempting to avoid unwanted immunization, you have the Law of the Land behind you. Those who would try to vaccinate you against your will are on very shaky ground. Into every compulsory immunization law in America are written legal exceptions and waivers which are there specifically to protect you from the attempted tyranny of officialdom. It is not only your right, but your obligation to use them, if this is what your conscience tells you.

Article I
In all your contacts with any member of the school, public health, or legal establishment, always remain calm, courteous, and humbly reverent toward their position. You are only asking of them that which the law duty binds them to give you. There is no reason, or advantage, to be gained by antagonizing them.

Most of these officials believe they are discharging their trust as outlined by law. If they are overstepping the law, then you must very diplomatically bring the true facts to their attention, but without attempting to belittle them.

The more you can preserve their ego, the more easily and quickly you are likely to get what you desire - a waiver of immunization.

Rule No. 1: Do not harass, belittle, or antagonize officials unnecessarily.

Article 2
All compulsory laws concerning vaccination (including the military) contain exceptions and waivers. It is these protections placed in the laws that you may legally use to exclude yourself and your children. Surprisingly, these exceptions were placed there, not for your sake (although you may take advantage of them), but for the protection of the establishment.

How is this? Let us assume that these exceptions were not there and everyone was actually forced to be immunized. Should a child die or become mentally or physically disabled, the parent would have the perfect case to sue the doctor, the school, the health department, and even the state legislature for enormous damages.

Since they allowed no exceptions, they must accept full responsibility for all the adverse consequences of the law.

However, if exception waivers are placed in the law, the responsibility is then transferred back to the parent. If a child should be injured by immunization, the officials can say, "Well, the parent should have exempted him if they thought there was any danger."

Therefore, there is in truth no such thing as a compulsory vaccination law in this country. They are ALL, in essence, voluntary. The problem is that practically no one in authority will let you know this fact.

Rule No. 2: There are no compulsory vaccination laws. All are voluntary, and you are held responsible for the adverse results upon you or your children.

Article 3
While all immunization laws have exceptions you can use, the wording in each state differs, and you must know the exact wording for your state to make the proper request of waiver. This information can be obtained in one of two ways.

1.

Go to the reference section of your local library- look in the State Statute Revised Law Book under Public Health Law or Communicable Disease sections. The list of immunization requirements will appear first and then the exemptions will be given. Usually one or two provisions will be listed: either on religious or medical grounds or both.
2.

You may call or write your state representative and ask for a copy of the immunization laws in your state. Making this available is part of his job, and it will be sent promptly.

Rule No. 3: Know your own state law so that you can conform to its exact requirements for exemption.

Article 4
There are two basic reasons for exception - medical or religious. Which one you choose will often depend upon the wording of the law in your state and your personal convictions.

We shall discuss medical exemption first. While laws do vary, nearly all states require that a note or certificate of waiver be submitted by a physician licensed in the state of residence. In some areas where states are small and people continually travel from one to another for business, a statement from a physician in a contiguous state will be accepted.

In this letter it is usually necessary to state the reason for the requested waiver and the length of time it should extend. Many laws limit all such letters to a school year and they must be renewed each fall.

The two most valid reasons for medical waiver are "the fear of allergic reaction in a sensitive child" and "to prevent possible damage to a weakened immune system." Both of these can occur in a child who has been immunized, and since no one but the physician and the parent will be held responsible for their consequences, it is up to them to protect the child.

It is possible that some states may require the letter from an M.D. or D.O., but many will allow an exemption letter from a chiropractor if it is courteously and properly written, as outlined above.

Rule No. 4: Medical waivers are always valid but must be written to fit each state law and often need to be renewed annually.

Article 5
The foregoing may work for school exemptions, but are there any such waivers in the Armed Forces? Yes. All branches of the Service provide "immunization waivers."

Again, if they did not you could sue them for millions of dollars if a reaction occurred from their immunizations. Because of these waiver provisions, you become responsible if you react.

When you first sign up or enlist, you must state your objection to the vaccinations and tell whether it is "religious conscience" or medical reasons, such as allergies or a low tolerance to medication of any kind. If you do not show objection at this time, you have given the military the right to do what they will with you.

If there is any difficulty, the same rules apply here as in the school program. Never forget, even though you may be in the Service, no one has the right to immunize you against your will. You do not give up your constitutional rights when you join the Armed Forces.

Rule No. 5: The rules that govern school vaccination exemption also apply to the military. Never let anyone tell you otherwise. They do not know, or are hiding, the facts of the law.

Article 6
What about international travel? May I go around the world without vaccination?

The World Health Organization (WHO) in Geneva grants American visitors the right to REFUSE shots when traveling internationally. However, if an area you wish to enter is infected, you may be detained until the public health servant gives you the "go" (at his discretion).

Thousands travel world-wide each year without shots - so you may if that is your choice. Many of our co-workers have traveled over much of the world and have never taken any immunizations, nor were they ever detained.

It would be wise to request a copy of Foreign Rules and Regulations, Part 71, Title 42, on immunization when you receive your passport. Never forget the basic rule, "No one will vaccinate you against your will because by doing so they assume full responsibility for the consequences both legal and medical."

Rule No. 7: You may travel wherever you wish in the world without vaccination. The worst that can happen is that in very rare circumstances you may be detained temporarily.

Some Important Details
The above seven articles constitute all the basic rules. However, there are many important little "tricks of the trade" to having your legal requests honored. These will now be discussed.

While waivers and exemptions are written into all laws on immunization, most public health officials, doctors, and especially school officials are loathe to discuss their existence when questioned, and rarely, to our knowledge, volunteer such information.

A top Philadelphia school official was on the radio with the unequivocal statement, "NO SHOTS, NO SCHOOL."

This statement is of course completely counter to state law, with which presumably he is familiar. Such unwarranted dogmatism is common in the people you will encounter. Once the end of their legitimate authority has been reached, they will use their next most powerful weapon - INTIMIDATION.

They will threaten to keep your child out of school, take him from you, or send you to jail. These are all idle threats because they can do none of these thing, if you follow our simple instructions.

The basic rules have been given to you, but there are a few important details to be considered if the officials start on this course of unlawful intimidation.

1.

You must send a letter to the school to inform the education officials of your stand. A phone call is not legal. It can be a note from your doctor, minister, or a notarized letter from you stating your sincere objections to the immunization. If you do not do this and fail to have your child immunized, it could be construed as negligence on your part and in some states there is a possibility of legal action against you.
2.

If the school should refuse to honor your letter, request that they give you a statement in writing outlining their reasons for refusal. If they won't, their refusal is legally invalid, and your letter stands; they must enroll your child. If they do (they rarely will) they take the risk of incriminating themselves, especially if they are acting contrary (as is common) to what is specified in the law concerning your rights for exemption. Remember they are on tenuous ground, not you. They are your servants, you are not their servant. If worst comes to worst and you have a very knowledgeable official who writes you a refusal and states accurately the lawful reasons for refusal, he will also in a negative way tell you what the accepted exemptions are, and then you can go about meeting them, by one of the routes suggested in this handout.
3.

Child neglect is the one legal point you want to avoid at all costs. No legal parent or guardian can be charged with neglect unless he shows complete lack of concern or action to be more informed. Stripped of legal jargon, this simply means that if you can show that you have investigated the situation, have come to a specific decision concerning immunizations, and have informed the authorities of the same, no neglect charge can be brought. Neglect can be brought only when it can be shown that you have failed to have your children immunized, not out of respect for their medical or spiritual integrity, but only because you were too concerned with other matters.
4.

At times there may be a question of whether you have given or withdrawn legal consent. Legal consent is dependent upon being properly informed on both the advantages and the risks in any choice or decision you make. In other words, if a physician were to tell you that vaccination is perfectly safe and effective to obtain your consent, such consent would not be legal because he lied and you have not been properly informed. Conversely, it could be argued that non-consent is not legal if you are not fully informed about the risks and advantages of immunizations.
5.

What do I do if everyone refuses to give me a waiver?

This would be an extremely rare circumstance. But should it happen, you are not left without resources. Here is where we pull out one of our big guns. Send notarized letters by certified mail to the vaccine laboratory which makes the shot (ask your doctor for the address), to the doctor who is to administer the shot, to your school principal,to the school board, and to your local health department.

In these letters make it clear that since they have refused to give you a duly requested waiver, you can no longer be held responsible for what may happen to your child if they force these shots upon him. You then state that you will allow immunization if each will present you with a written signed guarantee of safety and effectiveness of the vaccine and that they will consent to assume full responsibility for any and all adverse reactions that your child may develop from the required shots. Of course none will give you such a guarantee. They cannot do so because all vaccines are considered potentially highly toxic. We have yet to hear of an instance of further harassment of parents after such letters have been sent.

That's about all that is needed to obtain the necessary exemptions for your children. All that has been said in this last section (1 to 5) is also applicable to the military and international travel, if required.

Potpourri of Ammunition
"As long as each individual who opposes vaccines has sincere objections, states them in writing, and signs his name - it is considered legal and proper action and must therefore be honored."

"Since many medical controversies exist surrounding immunization, drugs, and various other medications, it mandates that each individual have the right to control his own decisions and freedom of choice; anything less would be contrary to the constitutional laws that protect the citizens' rights. "

"When you deal with school officials and lawyers, you are playing with legal terminology - move the wrong words around and you get hung." The terminology used in this booklet has worked before and should work again.

"It is important to state your objections in such a way that it complies with your state's exemption provisions. They must then accept your request; if they do not, they are breaking their own law." That is why it is absolutely essential that you know your own state law word for word before submitting your objection.

"According to CDC (the federal Communicable Disease Center in Atlanta, Georgia), physicians are required to first inform their patients of the risks involved before they consent to vaccines." If they do not do so, it is prima facie evidence of deceit or negligence on the part of the physician.

This regulation by the federal government would also seem to assume that the patient has the right to refuse if he feels that the risks are too great. If this is so, is not the federal government on record as supporting voluntary immunization and, by obvious implication, against state-enforced compulsory immunization?

Should you ever have to go to court, or what is more likely, to appear before a "kangaroo" court of school and health department officials, here is some class A evidence you might find useful to mention.

*

No vaccine carries any guarantee of protection from the laboratory that produced it or the doctor who administered it.
*

The U.S. military allows no-nonsense "immunizations waivers."
*

There is NO FEDERAL LAW on immunizations. They don't dare. Their lawyers know the consequences.
*

Your rights have been infringed upon by officials attempting to use force against your will.

Most state officials like a nice, stress-free job. When you send in your objections and refuse to fit their ordered world by not having your children immunized, you make waves.

This rocks their quiet existence, and there are only two ways their life can become orderly again: either by forcing you to their will or acquiescing to yours. What you must do to obtain an early waiver is to make the latter the easiest path for them.

At first, however, an attempt will usually be made to bend you to their will by some form of intimidation. Many uninformed parents give in to this tack, and so it is tried again and again.

If you are adequately informed, as a reader of this publication should be, you will let the officials know in no uncertain terms that you understand your rights under the law and will not stand for any such shilly-shallying. Invariably, once they discover you are adamant and acquainted with the state law, your waiver will be rapidly forthcoming.

An Acknowledgment
The greatest part of the material on the first four pages is taken from the work of Mrs. Grace Girdwain, of Burbank, Illinois. Our staff has rearranged and edited the information, but we wish the full credit for its existence to go to this courageous woman who has for twelve years worked arduously, without compensation, to help her fellow Americans obtain their legal rights.

The following is an example of the state of Illionois law (where I live) relating to immunizations. Illinois, like most states has no philosophical objection, but does have a religious one.

Illinois Administrative Code Title 77: Public Health
Chapter I: Department of Public Health
Subchapter i: Maternal and Child Health
Part 665 Child Health Examination Code
Subpart E: Exceptions

Section 665.510 Objection of Parent or Legal Guardian

Parent or legal guardian of a student may object to health examinations, immunizations, vision, and hearing screening tests, and dental health examinations for their children on religious grounds. If a religious objection is made, a written and signed statement from the parent or legal guardian detailing such objections must be presented to the local school authority.

General philosophical or moral reluctance to allow physical examinations, immunizations, vision and hearing screening, and dental examinations will not provide a sufficient basis for an exception to statutory requirements.

The parent or legal guardian must be informed by the local school authority of measles outbreak control exclusion procedures per IDPH rules. The Control of Communicable Diseases (77 Ill. Adm. Code 690) at the time such objection is presented.

Section 665.520 Medical Objections

a) Any medical objections to an immunization must be:

1) Made by a physician licensed to practice medicine in all its branches indicating what the medical condition is.

2) Endorsed and signed by the physician on the certificate of child health examination and placed on file in the child's permanent record.

b) Should the condition of the child later permit immunization, this requirement will then have to be met. Parents or legal guardians must be informed of measles outbreak control exclusion procedures when such objection is presented per Section 665.510.



http://www.mercola.com/2003/jun/25/autism_vaccines.htm

Quote:

Vaccines May Fuel Autism Epidemic


Autism, a severely incapacitating developmental disability, has been increasing at an epidemic proportion over the last decade. Insight magazine’s "Vaccines May Fuel Autism Epidemic," by Kelly Patricia O’Meara, details the argument that childhood vaccines may be to blame for the increasing cases of autism.

In the United States, each state has reported increases in autism rates of at least 500 percent over the last 10 years. The epidemic is spreading so quickly that in California it is estimated that within the next four years the number autism cases will exceed the total number of cases of both cerebral palsy and epilepsy.

According to the article, vaccines given to newborns contain an array of chemicals including formaldehyde (used in embalming), thimerosal (nearly 50 percent mercury), aluminum phosphate (toxic and carcinogenic), antibiotics, phenols (corrosive to skin and toxic), aluminum salts (corrosive to tissue and neurotoxic), methanol (toxic), isopropyl (toxic), 2-pheoxyethanol (toxic), live viruses and various other components.

Among these components, previous studies suggest that there is a link between neurodevelopmental disorders, such as autism, and mercury exposure from thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines. Although U.S. health officials called for thimerosal to be removed from vaccines in 1999, the article details how--because of mislabeled package inserts and other issues--it is extremely difficult for parents and physicians to know whether the preservative is actually in the vaccine.

The article also discusses how the potential ties between U.S. health agencies and the pharmaceutical companies could be the reason why much-needed public warnings about the potential dangers of mercury in vaccines have not been made.

Please visit Insight magazine to read the entire contents of this important article.

Insight Magazine June 9, 2003
Dr. Mercola's Comment:

This article touches on an extremely important issue for anyone with children or who is planning to have children. While it may sound hard to believe that mercury, which has been linked to the soaring cases of autism in the United States, is still in vaccines being given to newborn babies, this is a very real problem.

As it stated in the article, the package inserts, which are supposed to detail exactly what is in a vaccine, may not even be accurate. This would mean that the doctor could not know for sure whether a certain toxic additive such as thimerosal is in the injection, and a parent would have no choice but to rely on the doctor for this crucial information.

Before you decide to vaccinate your children, do them a favor and look into the many risks and side effects associated with common childhood vaccines. Doing so could mean the difference between life and death.

To find out more about the vaccine issue, including how to protect your children, consider "The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them" audiotape. In August 2002, I hosted a timely and important teleconference featuring nationally renowned vaccine expert, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, to discuss the real dangers of vaccines and how you can legally avoid them. This professionally recorded 90-minute cassette presents that full conference, and many listeners have called it the most comprehensive overview of the topic to date.

It will help you:

* Understand why vaccines are essentially loaded guns aimed at your child's body
* Find out how you can disarm your school nurses by legally avoiding vaccines
* Learn what approaches you can take to immunize your child against disease safely--and for life

Related Articles:

Autism 'Linked to Mercury Vaccine'

Autism

Vaccine Manufacturers Shirk Potential Autism Liability

Does the MMR Vaccine Cause Autism?

When Your Doctor is Wrong: Hepatitis B Vaccine & Autism

Vaccine Safety and Benefits Not Scientifically Proven



http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/

http://nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

http://www.mindspring.com/~schlafly/vac/vacclink.htm

http://www.know-vaccines.org/parent.html

Quote:

Did You KNOW … that during the last session of the US Congress, the pharmaceutical industry assigned to each member of the House and Senate six lobbyists each to provide campaign support and contributions in exchange for congressional votes on legislation that grants liability protection to the drug companies for injuries, disabilities, and deaths caused by all vaccines?

Why?

All vaccines contain toxic chemicals, DNA from animal tissue & aborted fetuses, and foreign proteins in the form of either live or dead viruses and bacteria. Current vaccine technology is based on science that is over two hundred years old and which says that vaccines “safely stimulate an immune response”.

However,

Today’s Advanced Science states that this is IMPOSSIBLE !

The most advanced science on the human immune system, developed over the past 100 years in the field of tissue and organ transplant, proves that the human immune system cannot be tricked, suppressed, or controlled into accepting or tolerating any foreign DNA or proteins. The human immune response to the recognition of any foreign tissue or substance (by infection, injection, or transplantation) always involves a KILLER reaction upon the foreign invader.

The Dangers of Vaccination

Toxic chemicals added to vaccines create immunologic as well as nervous system problems because they are not easily eliminated from the body, they accumulate in brain and organ tissues, and they damage nerves. Foreign proteins and DNA, when not adequately neutralized and eliminated by the immune system, can penetrate through cellular membranes.

Once inside the cells, the foreign DNA bonds to or replaces entire segments of your own DNA, after which the immune system no longer recognizes as “self”. When healthy cells mutate into “non-self” cells, they become targets for the killer immune response.

Killer Immune Responses = Autoimmune Reactions

The immune system correctly identifies mutated cells, foreign proteins, and toxic chemicals that get “inside the body” as invaders that must be killed. The killer immune response to mutated “self” cells is called an autoimmune response. Because MUTATED CELLS replicate billions of times as replacement cells for what had been normal cells, a sustained autoimmune response becomes inevitable and leads to the autoimmune diseases and symptoms listed on this flyer.

Why is this allowed to continue?

Vaccination, the public health achievement of the 20th century, is based on a flawed but pervasive belief that presumes immune function can be improved by injecting toxic chemicals and foreign proteins into the body. Yet modern science has proven that this medical procedure cannot be done without serious immunologic consequences.

Why DO medical doctors and government agencies insist that vaccines continue to be mandated for our children?

Did You KNOW …The pharmaceutical industry makes over 7 billion dollars each year from vaccines. Over 200 new vaccines are being developed and many will to be added to the childhood vaccination list for guaranteed profits in the trillions of dollars.

Did You KNOW … The pharmaceutical industry and medical professions make trillions of dollars in profit each year from drugs and medical treatment related to the diseases and conditions that result from autoimmune responses to vaccination.

Did You KNOW … The only person that will protect you and your child from the government’s continued use of outdated and dangerous vaccine technology is YOU!

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Vaccination - The Hidden Truth (1998)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8610554679207090010&pl=true

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I did some research on vaccines and I'd like to share some of my findings on danger of vaccines.

horrific stuff, but you must know this.

the following audio clips
http://www.futuretalkradio.com/mp3/2006/ft061006456.mp3


ftp://thegnos:6bdae42@thegnosticoracle.com/public_html/MP3s/03%20DNA%20Pirates%20of%20the%20Sacred%20Spiral%20-%20Len%20Horowitz_AudioOnly.mp3
ftp://thegnos:6bdae42@thegnosticoracle.com/public_html/MP3s/01%20DNA%20Pirates%20of%20the%20Sacred%20Spiral%20-%20Len%20Horowitz_AudioOnly.mp3
ftp://thegnos:6bdae42@thegnosticoracle.com/public_html/MP3s/02%20DNA%20Pirates%20of%20the%20Sacred%20Spiral%20-%20Len%20Horowitz_AudioOnly.mp3

are 'we' giving this to our children not even knowing of a malicious intent and horrific agenda???
why otherwise would we put such horrible substances in vaccines, why otherwise there would be so many cases when vaccines did harm
instead of helping.

I am sure that you know that after the second WW, majority of NAZI scientiss (estimated 4000 or so) ended up in U.S. where they got cart blanch and lots of funding to continue their 'work'.
Dr Mengela spent some time in California, China Lake genetic reserch facility that is housed in an underground base.

anyways, check the ingredients
now, check the of vaccines:
formaldehyde,
aluminum hydroxide,
aluminum phosphate,
thimerosal,
polysorbate 80 (Tween-80)
ammonium sulfate,
formalin,
aluminum hydroxide,
benzethonium chloride,
beta-propiolactone,
thimerosal,
phenol
monosodium glutamate (MSG),
polysorbate 80 (Tween-80)
aspartame,
phenol,
polydimethylsiloxane (silicone)
phosphate,
sucrose,

http://www.opposingdigits.com/vaccines/


now, please Check the recommended vaccine plan that would definitely damage the immune system if followed:



can you imagine what would this do to the immune system of a child if he/she takes all of those vaccines?
I actually went to CDC's web site and downloaded bunch of documents that 'sell' why would you vaccinate.
here is a good start: http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/Parents-Guide/default.htm

just open one of the documents there(Print-friendly version of Parents Guide or Screen-reader device version (.rtf) )
and compare that to chronological history of health that is documented in detail here:
http://www.relfe.com/history_1.html

IMO -- this <above link> is the bombshell, the ultimate proof that vaccines are deadly!

21_12_2012
08-02-2007, 01:33 AM
One thing that's bothering me,apart from it may all be part of a smokescreen for the 'cash for question row',is that,where's Bernard matthews? has he been culled too?....or maybe he's been told to keep a low profile.It wouldnt surprise me to find out in a few months time that the "outbreak" wasnt as bad as initially thought.....it was just one turkey in the corner of the pen with a slight sniffle......a lem-sip and a paracetamol wouldve have been sufficient.;)

hahaaaa wicked post....

"it was just one turkey in the corner of the pen with a slight sniffle"
"where's Bernard matthews? has he been culled too?"

We need more humour like this ! haaa

21_12_2012
08-02-2007, 01:35 AM
Brilliant post KING...I don't think anyone could give as much concise and shocking information as you have there...good stuff.

jimijams
08-02-2007, 08:04 AM
Jon Rappoport interview of ex vaccine researcher

JON RAPPOPORT

Q: You were once certain that vaccines were the hallmark of good medicine.

A: Yes I was. I helped develop a few vaccines. I won't say which ones.

Q: Why not?

A: I want to preserve my privacy.

Q: So you think you could have problems if you came out into the open?

A: I believe I could lose my pension.

Q: On what grounds?

A: The grounds don't matter. These people have ways of causing you problems, when you were once part of the Club. I know one or two people who were put under surveillance, who were harassed.

Q: Harassed by whom?

A: The FBI.

Q: Really?

A: Sure. The FBI used other pretexts. And the IRS can come calling too.

Q: So much for free speech.

A: I was "part of the inner circle." If now I began to name names and make specific accusations against researchers, I could be in a world of trouble.

Q: What is at the bottom of these efforts at harassment?

A: Vaccines are the last defense of modern medicine. Vaccines are the ultimate justification for the overall "brilliance" of modern medicine.

Q: Do you believe that people should be allowed to choose whether they should get vaccines?

A: On a political level, yes. On a scientific level, people need information, so that they can choose well. It's one thing to say choice is good. But if the atmosphere is full of lies, how can you choose? Also, if the FDA were run by honorable people, these vaccines would not be granted licenses. They would be investigated to within an inch of their lives.

Q: There are medical historians who state that the overall decline of illnesses was not due to vaccines.

A: I know. For a long time, I ignored their work.

Q: Why?

A: Because I was afraid of what I would find out. I was in the business of developing vaccines. My livelihood depended on continuing that work.

Q: And then?

A: I did my own investigation.

Q: What conclusions did you come to?

A: The decline of disease is due to improved living conditions.

Q: What conditions?

A: Cleaner water. Advanced sewage systems. Nutrition. Fresher food. A decrease in poverty. Germs may be everywhere, but when you are healthy, you don't contract the diseases as easily.

Q: What did you feel when you completed your own investigation?

A: Despair. I realized I was working a sector based on a collection of lies.

Q: Are some vaccines more dangerous than others?

A: Yes. The DPT shot, for example. The MMR. But some lots of a vaccine are more dangerous than other lots of the same vaccine. As far as I'm concerned, all vaccines are dangerous.

Q: Why?

A: Several reasons. They involve the human immune system in a process that tends to compromise immunity. They can actually cause the disease they are supposed to prevent. They can cause other diseases than the ones they are supposed to prevent.

Q: Why are we quoted statistics which seem to prove that vaccines have been tremendously successful at wiping out diseases?

A: Why? To give the illusion that these vaccines are useful. If a vaccine suppresses visible symptoms of a disease like measles, everyone assumes that the vaccine is a success. But, under the surface, the vaccine can harm the immune system itself. And if it causes other diseases -- say, meningitis -- that fact is masked, because no one believes that the vaccine can do that. The connection is overlooked.

Q: It is said that the smallpox vaccine wiped out smallpox in England.

A: Yes. But when you study the available statistics, you get another picture.

Q: Which is?

A: There were cities in England where people who were not vaccinated did not get smallpox. There were places where people who were vaccinated experienced smallpox epidemics. And smallpox was already on the decline before the vaccine was introduced.

Q: So you're saying that we have been treated to a false history.

A: Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. This is a history that has been cooked up to convince people that vaccines are invariably safe and effective.

Q: Now, you worked in labs. Where purity was an issue.

A: The public believes that these labs, these manufacturing facilities are the cleanest places in the world. That is not true. Contamination occurs all the time. You get all sorts of debris introduced into vaccines.

Q: For example, the SV40 monkey virus slips into the polio vaccine.

A: Well yes, that happened. But that's not what I mean. The SV40 got into the polio vaccine because the vaccine was made by using monkey kidneys. But I'm talking about something else. The actual lab conditions. The mistakes. The careless errors. SV40, which was later found in cancer tumors -- that was what I would call a structural problem. It was an accepted part of the manufacturing process. If you use monkey kidneys, you open the door to germs which you don't know are in those kidneys.

Q: Okay, but let's ignore that distinction between different types of contaminants for a moment. What contaminants did you find in your many years of work with vaccines?

A: All right. I'll give you some of what I came across, and I'll also give you what colleagues of mine found. Here's a partial list. In the Rimavex measles vaccine, we found various chicken viruses. In polio vaccine, we found acanthamoeba, which is a so-called "brain-eating" amoeba.

Simian cytomegalovirus in polio vaccine. Simian foamy virus in the rotavirus vaccine. Bird-cancer viruses in the MMR vaccine. Various micro-organisms in the anthrax vaccine. I've found potentially dangerous enzyme inhibitors in several vaccines. Duck, dog, and rabbit viruses in the rubella vaccine. Avian leucosis virus in the flu vaccine. Pestivirus in the MMR vaccine.

Q: Let me get this straight. These are all contaminants which don't belong in the vaccines.

A: That's right. And if you try to calculate what damage these contaminants can cause, well, we don't really know, because no testing has been done, or very little testing. It's a game of roulette. You take your chances. Also, most people don't know that some polio vaccines, adenovirus vaccines, rubella and hep A and measles vaccines have been made with aborted human fetal tissue. I have found what I believed were bacterial fragments and poliovirus in these vaccines from time to time -- which may have come from that fetal tissue. When you look for contaminants in vaccines, you can come up with material that IS puzzling. You know it shouldn't be there, but you don't know exactly what you've got. I have found what I believed was a very small "fragment" of human hair and also human mucus. I have found what can only be called "foreign protein," which could mean almost anything. It could mean protein from viruses.

Q: Alarm bells are ringing all over the place.

A: How do you think I felt? Remember, this material is going into the bloodstream without passing through some of the ordinary immune defenses.

Q: How were your findings received?

A: Basically, it was, don't worry, this can't be helped. In making vaccines, you use various animals' tissue, and that's where this kind of contamination enters in. Of course, I'm not even mentioning the standard chemicals like formaldehyde, mercury, and aluminum which are purposely put into vaccines.

Q: This information is pretty staggering.

A: Yes. And I'm just mentioning some of the biological contaminants. Who knows how many others there are? Others we don't find because we don't think to look for them. If tissue from, say, a bird is used to make a vaccine, how many possible germs can be in that tissue? We have no idea.We have no idea what they might be, or what effects they could have on humans.

Q: And beyond the purity issue?

A: You are dealing with the basic faulty premise about vaccines. That they intricately stimulate the immune system to create the conditions for immunity from disease. That is the bad premise. It doesn't work that way. A vaccine is supposed to "create" antibodies which, indirectly, offer protection against disease. However, the immune system is much larger and more involved than antibodies and their related "killer cells."

Q: The immune system is?

A: The entire body, really. Plus the mind. It's all immune system, you might say. That is why you can have, in the middle of an epidemic, those individuals who remain healthy.

Q: So the level of general health is important.

A: More than important. Vital.

Q: How are vaccine statistics falsely presented?

A: There are many ways. For example, suppose that 25 people who have received the hepatitis B vaccine come down with hepatitis. Well, hep B is a liver disease. But you can call liver disease many things. You can change the diagnosis. Then, you've concealed the root cause of the problem.

Q: And that happens?

A: All the time. It HAS to happen, if the doctors automatically assume that people who get vaccines DO NOT come down with the diseases they are now supposed to be protected from. And that is exactly what doctors assume. You see, it's circular reasoning. It's a closed system. It admits no fault. No possible fault. If a person who gets a vaccine against hepatitis gets hepatitis, or gets some other disease, the automatic assumption is, this had nothing to do with the disease.

Q: In your years working in the vaccine establishment, how many doctors did you encounter who admitted that vaccines were a problem?

A: None. There were a few who privately questioned what they were doing. But they would never go public, even within their companies.

Q: What was the turning point for you?

A: I had a friend whose baby died after a DPT shot.

Q: Did you investigate?

A: Yes, informally. I found that this baby was completely healthy before the vaccination. There was no reason for his death, except the vaccine. That started my doubts. Of course, I wanted to believe that the baby had gotten a bad shot from a bad lot. But as I looked into this further, I found that was not the case in this instance. I was being drawn into a spiral of doubt that increased over time. I continued to investigate. I found that, contrary to what I thought, vaccines are not tested in a scientific way.

Q: What do you mean?

A: For example, no long-term studies are done on any vaccines. Long-term follow-up is not done in any careful way. Why? Because, again, the assumption is made that vaccines do not cause problems. So why should anyone check? On top of that, a vaccine reaction is defined so that all bad reactions are said to occur very soon after the shot is given. But that does not make sense.

Q: Why doesn't it make sense?

A: Because the vaccine obviously acts in the body for a long period of time after it is given. A reaction can be gradual. Deterioration can be gradual. Neurological problems can develop over time. They do in various conditions, even according to a conventional analysis. So why couldn't that be the case with vaccines? If chemical poisoning can occur gradually, why couldn't that be the case with a vaccine which contains mercury?

Q: And that is what you found?

A: Yes. You are dealing with correlations, most of the time.Correlations are not perfect. But if you get 500 parents whose children have suffered neurological damage during a one-year period after having a vaccine, this should be sufficient to spark off an intense investigation.

Q: Has it been enough?

A: No. Never. This tells you something right away.

Q: Which is?

A: The people doing the investigation are not really interested in looking at the facts. They assume that the vaccines are safe. So, when they do investigate, they invariably come up with exonerations of the vaccines. They say, "This vaccine is safe." But what do they base those judgments on? They base them on definitions and ideas which automatically rule out a condemnation of the vaccine.

Q: There are numerous cases where a vaccine campaign has failed. Where people have come down with the disease against which they were vaccinated.

A: Yes, there are many such instances. And there the evidence is simply ignored. It's discounted. The experts say, if they say anything at all, that this is just an isolated situation, but overall the vaccine has been shown to be safe. But if you add up all the vaccine campaigns where damage and disease have occurred, you realize that these are NOT isolated situations.

Q: Did you ever discuss what we are talking about here with colleagues, when you were still working in the vaccine establishment?

A: Yes I did.

Q: What happened?

A: Several times I was told to keep quiet. It was made clear that I should go back to work and forget my misgivings. On a few occasions, I encountered fear. Colleagues tried to avoid me. They felt they could be labeled with "guilt by association." All in all, though, I behaved myself.I made sure I didn't create problems for myself.

Q: If vaccines actually do harm, why are they given?

A: First of all, there is no "if." They do harm. It becomes a more difficult question to decide whether they do harm in those people who seem to show no harm. Then you are dealing with the kind of research which should be done, but isn't. Researchers should be probing to discover a kind of map, or flow chart, which shows exactly what vaccines do in the body from the moment they enter. This research has not been done. As to why they are given, we could sit here for two days and discuss all the reasons. As you've said many times, at different layers of the system people have their motives. Money, fear of losing a job, the desire to win brownie points, prestige, awards, promotion, misguided idealism, unthinking habit, and so on. But, at the highest levels of the medical cartel, vaccines are a top priority because they cause a weakening of the immune system. I know that may be hard to accept, but it's true. The medical cartel, at the highest level, is not out to help people, it is out to harm them, to weaken them. To kill them. At one point in my career, I had a long conversation with a man who occupied a high government position in an African nation. He told me that he was well aware of this. He told me that WHO is a front for these depopulation interests. There is an underground, shall we say, in Africa, made up of various officials who are earnestly trying to change the lot of the poor. This network of people knows what is going on. They know that vaccines have been used, and are being used, to destroy their countries, to make them ripe for takeover by globalist powers. I have had the opportunity to speak with several of these people from this network.

Q: Is Thabo Mbeki, the president of South Africa, aware of the situation?

A: I would say he is partially aware. Perhaps he is not utterly convinced, but he is on the way to realizing the whole truth. He already knows that HIV is a hoax. He knows that the AIDS drugs are poisons which destroy the immune system. He also knows that if he speaks out, in any way, about the vaccine issue, he will be branded a lunatic. He has enough trouble after his stand on the AIDS issue.

Q: This network you speak of.

A: It has accumulated a huge amount of information about vaccines. The question is, how is a successful strategy going to be mounted? For these people, that is a difficult issue.

Q: And in the industrialized nations?

A: The medical cartel has a stranglehold, but it is diminishing. Mainly because people have the freedom to question medicines. However, if the choice issue [the right to take or reject any medicine] does not gather steam, these coming mandates about vaccines against biowarefare germs are going to win out. This is an important time.

Q: The furor over the hepatits B vaccine seems one good avenue.

A: I think so, yes. To say that babies must have the vaccine-and then in the next breath, admitting that a person gets hep B from sexual contacts and shared needles -- is a ridiculous juxtaposition. Medical authorities try to cover themselves by saying that 20,000 or so children in the US get hep B every year from "unknown causes," and that's why every baby must have the vaccine. I dispute that 20,00 figure and the so-called studies that back it up.

Q: Andrew Wakefield, the British MD who uncovered the link between the MMR vaccine and autism, has just been fired from his job in a London hospital.

A: Yes. Wakefield performed a great service. His correlations between the vaccine and autism are stunning. Perhaps you know that Tony Blair's wife is involved with alternative health. There is the possibility that their child has not been given the MMR. Blair recently side-stepped the question in press interviews, and made it seem that he was simply objecting to invasive questioning of his "personal and family life." In any event, I believe his wife has been muzzled. I think, if given the chance, she would at least say she is sympathetic to all the families who have come forward and stated that their children were severely damaged by the MMR.

Q: British reporters should try to get through to her.

A: They have been trying. But I think she has made a deal with her husband to keep quiet, no matter what. She could do a great deal of good if she breaks her promise. I have been told she is under pressure, and not just from her husband. At the level she occupies, MI6 and British health authorities get into the act. It is thought of as a matter of national security.

Q: Well, it is national security, once you understand the medical cartel.

A: It is global security. The cartel operates in every nation. It zealously guards the sanctity of vaccines. Questioning these vaccines is on the same level as a Vatican bishop questioning the sanctity of the sacrament of the Eucharist in the Catholic Church.

Q: I know that a Hollywood celebrity stating publicly that he will not take a vaccine is committing career suicide.

A: Hollywood is linked very powerfully to the medical cartel. There are several reasons, but one of them is simply that an actor who is famous can draw a huge amount of publicity if he says ANYTHING. In 1992, I was present at your demonstration against the FDA in downtown Los Angeles. One or two actors spoke against the FDA. Since that time, you would be hard pressed to find an actor who has spoken out in any way against the medical cartel.

Q: Within the National Institutes of Health, what is the mood, what is the basic frame of mind?

A: People are competing for research monies. The last thing they think about is challenging the status quo. They are already in an intramural war for that money. They don't need more trouble. This is a very insulated system. It depends on the idea that, by and large, modern medicine is very successful on every frontier. To admit systemic problems in any area is to cast doubt on the whole enterprise. You might therefore think that NIH is the last place one should think about holding demonstrations. But just the reverse is true. If five thousand people showed up there demanding an accounting of the actual benefits of that research system, demanding to know what real health benefits have been conferred on the public from the billions of wasted dollars funneled to that facility, something might start. A spark might go off. You might get, with further demonstrations, all sorts of fall-out. Researchers -- a few -- might start leaking information.

Q: A good idea.

A: People in suits standing as close to the buildings as the police will allow. People in business suits, in jogging suits, mothers and babies. Well-off people. Poor people. All sorts of people.

Q: What about the combined destructive power of a number of vaccines given to babies these days?

A: It is a travesty and a crime. There are no real studies of any depth which have been done on that. Again, the assumption is made that vaccines are safe, and therefore any number of vaccines given together are safe as well. But the truth is, vaccines are not safe. Therefore the potential damage increases when you give many of them in a short time period.

Q: Then we have the fall flu season.

A: Yes. As if only in the autumn do these germs float in to the US from Asia. The public swallows that premise. If it happens in April, it is a bad cold. If it happens in October, it is the flu.

Q: Do you regret having worked all those years in the vaccine field?

A: Yes. But after this interview, I'll regret it a little less. And I work in other ways. I give out information to certain people, when I think they will use it well.

Q: What is one thing you want the public to understand?

A: That the burden of proof in establishing the safety and efficacy of vaccines is on the people who manufacture and license them for public use. Just that. The burden of proof is not on you or me. And for proof you need well-designed long-term studies. You need extensive follow-up. You need to interview mothers and pay attention to what mothers say about their babies and what happens to them after vaccination. You need all these things. The things that are not there.

Q: The things that are not there.

A: Yes.

Q: To avoid any confusion, I'd like you to review, once more, the disease problems that vaccines can cause. Which diseases, how that happens.

A: We are basically talking about two potential harmful outcomes. One, the person gets the disease from the vaccine. He gets the disease which the vaccine is supposed to protect him from. Because, some version of the disease is in the vaccine to begin with. Or two, he doesn't get THAT disease, but at some later time, maybe right away, maybe not, he develops another condition which is caused by the vaccine. That condition could be autism, what's called autism, or it could be some other disease like meningitis. He could become mentally disabled.

Q: Is there any way to compare the relative frequency of these different outcomes?

A: No. Because the follow-up is poor. We can only guess. If you ask, out of a population of a hundred thousand children who get a measles vaccine, how many get the measles, and how many develop other problems from the vaccine, there is a no reliable answer. That is what I'm saying. Vaccines are superstitions. And with superstitions, you don't get facts you can use. You only get stories, most of which are designed to enforce the superstition. But, from many vaccine campaigns, we can piece together a narrative that does reveal some very disturbing things. People have been harmed. The harm is real, and it can be deep and it can mean death. The harm is NOT limited to a few cases, as we have been led to believe.In the US, there are groups of mothers who are testifying about autism and childhood vaccines. They are coming forward and standing up at meetings.They are essentially trying to fill in the gap that has been created by the researchers and doctors who turn their backs on the whole thing.

Q: Let me ask you this. If you took a child in, say, Boston and you raised that child with good nutritious food and he exercised every day and he was loved by his parents, and he didn't get the measles vaccine, what would be his health status compared with the average child in Boston who eats poorly and watches five hours of TV a day and gets the measles vaccine?

A: Of course there are many factors involved, but I would bet on the better health status for the first child. If he gets measles, if he gets it when he is nine, the chances are it will be much lighter than the measles the second child might get. I would bet on the first child every time.

Q: How long did you work with vaccines?

A: A long time. Longer than ten years.

Q: Looking back now, can you recall any good reason to say that vaccines are successful?

A: No, I can't. If I had a child now, the last thing I would allow is vaccination. I would move out of the state if I had to. I would change the family name. I would disappear. With my family. I'm not saying it would come to that. There are ways to sidestep the system with grace, if you know how to act. There are exemptions you can declare, in every state, based on religious and/or philosophic views. But if push came to shove, I would go on the move.

Q: And yet there are children everywhere who do get vaccines and appear to be healthy.

A: The operative word is "appear." What about all the children who can't focus on their studies? What about the children who have tantrums from time to time? What about the children who are not quite in possession of all their mental faculties? I know there are many causes for these things, but vaccines are one cause. I would not take the chance. I see no reason to take the chance. And frankly, I see no reason to allow the government to have the last word. Government medicine is, from my experience, often a contradiction in terms. You get one or the other, but not both.

Q: So we come to the level playing field.

A: Yes. Allow those who want the vaccines to take them. Allow the dissidents to decline to take them. But, as I said earlier, there is no level playing field if the field is strewn with lies. And when babies are involved, you have parents making all the decisions. Those parents need a heavy dose of truth. What about the child I spoke of who died from the DPT shot? What information did his parents act on? I can tell you it was heavily weighted. It was not real information.

Q: Medical PR people, in concert with the press, scare the hell out of parents with dire scenarios about what will happen if their kids don't get shots.

A: They make it seem a crime to refuse the vaccine. They equate it with bad parenting. You fight that with better information. It is always a challenge to buck the authorities. And only you can decide whether to do it. It is every person's responsibility to make up his mind. The medical cartel likes that bet. It is betting that the fear will win.
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Dr. Mark Randall is the pseudonym of a vaccine researcher who worked for many years in the labs of major pharmaceutical houses and the US government's National Institutes of Health.

Mark retired during the last decade. He says he was "disgusted with what he discovered about vaccines."

As you know, since the beginning of nomorefakenews, I have been launching an attack against non-scientific and dangerous assertions about the safety and efficacy of vaccines.

Mark has been one of my sources.

He is a little reluctant to speak out, even under the cover of anonymity, but with the current push to make vaccines mandatory -- with penalties like quarantine lurking in the wings -- he has decided to break his silence.

He lives comfortably in retirement, but like many of my long-time sources, he has developed a conscience about his former work. Mark is well aware of the scope of the medical cartel and its goals of depopulation, mind control, and general debilitation of populations.
http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

them
08-02-2007, 11:46 AM
Has anybody inside this thread ever become ill after having a vaccine? If so which vaccine and what was the nature of your illness?

Tamiflu is not a vaccine, it's a treatment for those who have been in direct contact with infection..

I have been working as a consultant for over a year on the Surveillance of wild birds in the uk, and I can inform you that birds do get colds I'm afraid.. (is this news to anybody??) there is a risk of transmutation but i'ts a very small risk.

http://www.birdlife.org/action/science/species/avian_flu/surveillance.html

unicorn
08-02-2007, 11:49 AM
Hmmm.... guess what I'll be doing for the rest of the day...

checking out these awesome links on vaccines... thanks for sharing such interesting info!

I'm doing 3 local talks over the next 2 months & vaccines is one of my favourite subjects... amazingly there's never any resistance to what I say, usually a couple of parents share that their child was fine until it was vaccinated, but is now autistic. When I ask what they have done about it, it's the answer every time, doctor wouldn't listen, there's no proof, so the family is the victim of the big ass drug companies once again. Booooooooh:mad:

Not for much longer, he he hee! You're going down imminently along with your sheeple drug pushers hiding behind medical qualifications!!! Oops, not forgetting love & light & all that jazz....:p

Ha haaa! Where's Bernie Matthews, probably sipping chamapagne on the illuminati moon-base as reward for poisoning so many brits with his toxic meat products. :D

jimijams
08-02-2007, 12:03 PM
Has anybody inside this thread ever become ill after having a vaccine? If so which vaccine and what was the nature of your illness?

My daughter developed a cough that lasted 8 months after her last vaccination which is what got me investigating it which cause me to cease vaccinations, also a good friend of mine's son developed autism the day of recieving his MMR..

If you support the use of Tamiflu and vaccinations you are either a troll or on the wrong forum.

lookfar
08-02-2007, 12:18 PM
Hmmm.... guess what I'll be doing for the rest of the day...

checking out these awesome links on vaccines... thanks for sharing such interesting info!

I'm doing 3 local talks over the next 2 months & vaccines is one of my favourite subjects... amazingly there's never any resistance to what I say, usually a couple of parents share that their child was fine until it was vaccinated, but is now autistic. When I ask what they have done about it, it's the answer every time, doctor wouldn't listen, there's no proof, so the family is the victim of the big ass drug companies once again. Booooooooh:mad:

Not for much longer, he he hee! You're going down imminently along with your sheeple drug pushers hiding behind medical qualifications!!! Oops, not forgetting love & light & all that jazz....:p

Ha haaa! Where's Bernie Matthews, probably sipping chamapagne on the illuminati moon-base as reward for poisoning so many brits with his toxic meat products. :D

Hi Unicorn

Thanks for your post. Would you mind sharing where your talks are going to be, as I live in Hampshire and would be interested in popping along if able to?

I'd also like to thank everyone for sharing this essential info. Unfortunately my 5 year old son is up-to-date on all his vaccines as I was still in my sleeping sheeple stage until mid 2006:( It's the one thing I'm really kicking myself for, but unfortunately I can't change the fact. However, on the brighter side - there'll DEFINITELY be no more vaccines for us from now on!

Does anyone have any info on our rights to refuse in the UK, with schooling etc?

them
08-02-2007, 03:13 PM
My daughter developed a cough that lasted 8 months after her last vaccination which is what got me investigating it which cause me to cease vaccinations, also a good friend of mine's son developed autism the day of recieving his MMR..

If you support the use of Tamiflu and vaccinations you are either a troll or on the wrong forum.

Well.. my children, myself & my wife have all been vaccinated. We are all fine, along with a statistically significant proportion of those who have been vaccinated over the years. I don't see your point.

If you support the use of Tamiflu and vaccinations you are either a troll or on the wrong forum.

I think that's rubbish. You need to do more research.

yellow
08-02-2007, 04:49 PM
Well.. my children, myself & my wife have all been vaccinated. We are all fine, along with a statistically significant proportion of those who have been vaccinated over the years. I don't see your point.



I think that's rubbish. You need to do more research.

just because you dont get sick after a vaccination does not mean it has not done you any long term damage, they do weaken the immune system, pump you full of toxins, that may stay inside you for the rest of your life, shorten your life and leave you far more suscetable to chronic disease in the future and cancer and have clearly brainwashed and scaremonger people into the medical mafia. Back in my day we all had measles, whooping cough and mumps and have stronger immune systems and have life long protection from a host of related illnesses, which vaccinations do not offer or why would you have to have boosters?
Childhood diseases are noting to be feared in healthy well nourished kids.
non of children have been vaccinated and they have never been to A doctor for anything unlike the vast majority of kids these days many who have asthma, eczema and compromised immune systems through multiple jabs.

Add to that the many Doctors and scientists who know the score like my cousin and dont vaccinate their own kids.

I think you need a lot more research into the ingredients in vaccinations as you clearly have no idea of what thimoserol and other additives do to the body, how you are far exceeding your mercury toxic limits for little real protection and you need to do a lot more research into how the sickness business operates and pushes junk science for mega bucks.

unicorn
08-02-2007, 09:46 PM
Well.. my children, myself & my wife have all been vaccinated. We are all fine, along with a statistically significant proportion of those who have been vaccinated over the years. I don't see your point.
I have just watched the documentary from this awesome website
http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=175 which I highly recommend EVERYBODY to watch, but especially you, Them, as you seem to fully trust the vaccination plan, which I believe has the ultimate goal of killing humanity within just a few generations, but like all their insidious plans, it's not working enough, although the damagae they are doing is plenty. Them, do you not have any concerns of the MMR jab/ autism link? Anyways... this 1.5 hour documentary has doctors giving their view so if you want information, here it is, enjoy, I loved every minute & learnt an incredible amount! Let me know what you think of it...

Hi Lookfar, :) thanks for your interest in the talks, check out my site http://www.qvkhealing.com which has dates & locations on the 'courses & talks' page. I'm also doing a talk on the 2nd March in Andover, although it's on a different note, the spiritual teachings of animals, which keeps me sane & balances the other side of this illuminati coin! & don;t worry about having had your kids vaccinated, sounds like their immune systems were strong enough to cope with it, but do check out the above video link if you want to know more. Luckily I have experienced & whitnessed many times the body's amazing self-healing ability, where the body can easily be re-programmed to it's original healing ability & remove all stress from the jabs (even from autism). I have been working at this for 2 years now, & even though this documentary is from 1998, it has taught me sooo much on the vast array of side-effects that I wasn't aware were linked to jabs. The learning continues...

I'm happy to post you a sheet of info on how to de-stress the body from vaccines if you're interested, as the bacteria from the jabs can stay in the organs & brain-stem for many years, causing everything from AD(H)D to Alzheimers, also arthritis etc... This is easy to do, anyone can do it, it works instantly & is free! Now why don't they teach this at school... I wonder!!

ps: thanks King for that website link with all those videos on jabs, to think how long people have been voicing their concerns, but who has heard this in joe public??? I'm gonna download the first video & hand it around as it's just gotta help WHAM!!! wake people up! ;)

unicorn
08-02-2007, 09:57 PM
Does anyone have any info on our rights to refuse in the UK, with schooling etc? THANK GOD it's not compulsory to get vaccinated in the UK, although some schools get all fucking uppety about it (thinking they have a right over your children). If they insist on vaccines, tell them that you will vaccinate your child on the condition that they sign a form guaranteeing that the vaccines they are enforcing are totally proven safe & will in no way whatsoever cause any detrimental side effects to your child, & if it does, that they will be 100% responsible in paying all subsequent healthcare costs & any other fees relative in re-gaining your childs health.

Of course it's a bluff, but it's a great way to shut up these insane self-policing asses who are inadvertently culling us! Good luck! ;)

lookfar
09-02-2007, 12:36 AM
I have just watched the documentary from this awesome website
http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=175 which I highly recommend EVERYBODY to watch, but especially you, Them, as you seem to fully trust the vaccination plan, which I believe has the ultimate goal of killing humanity within just a few generations, but like all their insidious plans, it's not working enough, although the damagae they are doing is plenty. Them, do you not have any concerns of the MMR jab/ autism link? Anyways... this 1.5 hour documentary has doctors giving their view so if you want information, here it is, enjoy, I loved every minute & learnt an incredible amount! Let me know what you think of it...

Hi Lookfar, :) thanks for your interest in the talks, check out my site http://www.qvkhealing.com which has dates & locations on the 'courses & talks' page. I'm also doing a talk on the 2nd March in Andover, although it's on a different note, the spiritual teachings of animals, which keeps me sane & balances the other side of this illuminati coin! & don;t worry about having had your kids vaccinated, sounds like their immune systems were strong enough to cope with it, but do check out the above video link if you want to know more. Luckily I have experienced & whitnessed many times the body's amazing self-healing ability, where the body can easily be re-programmed to it's original healing ability & remove all stress from the jabs (even from autism). I have been working at this for 2 years now, & even though this documentary is from 1998, it has taught me sooo much on the vast array of side-effects that I wasn't aware were linked to jabs. The learning continues...

I'm happy to post you a sheet of info on how to de-stress the body from vaccines if you're interested, as the bacteria from the jabs can stay in the organs & brain-stem for many years, causing everything from AD(H)D to Alzheimers, also arthritis etc... This is easy to do, anyone can do it, it works instantly & is free! Now why don't they teach this at school... I wonder!!

ps: thanks King for that website link with all those videos on jabs, to think how long people have been voicing their concerns, but who has heard this in joe public??? I'm gonna download the first video & hand it around as it's just gotta help WHAM!!! wake people up! ;)

Hi Unicorn

Thanks for all the info. I've just watched the link and thought it was excellent & have also learnt alot from it. I'm going to send it to family & friends so that they can watch it too. Good advice on the school issue as well, I'll certainly try that tactic!

I would definitely like to receive the info on how to de-stress the body as I didn't know this could be done (phew that's a relief!)

Also checked your website & think QVK looks very interesting, I hadn't heard of it before. Will also try to make it to one of your talks to learn more about it. I'm just reading a book called Colour Medicine (the secrets of colour/vibrational healing) by Charles Klotsche and QVK seems to tie in nicely - great stuff:)

Going to check out King's info next - there's just not enough time in the day to fit it all in, but it's gotta be done!

Thanks again everyone:)

jimijams
09-02-2007, 02:25 PM
You need to do more research.
Funny that I was just thinking the same about you..

I'll save you some time.

Japan Links Tamiflu to Sudden Deaths in Children
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-11/2005-11-13-voa12.cfm?CFID=93419906&CFTOKEN=75590969

Bird flu proving resistant to Tamiflu treatment
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10561923/

Deadly Immunity
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/06/16/thimerosal/index.html

Vaccination - The Hidden Truth
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=8610554679207090010&q=vaccination

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4687/hifivelt9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

them
09-02-2007, 07:16 PM
Funny that I was just thinking the same about you..

I'll save you some time.

Japan Links Tamiflu to Sudden Deaths in Children
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-11/2005-11-13-voa12.cfm?CFID=93419906&CFTOKEN=75590969

Bird flu proving resistant to Tamiflu treatment
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10561923/

Deadly Immunity
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/06/16/thimerosal/index.html

Vaccination - The Hidden Truth
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=8610554679207090010&q=vaccination

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4687/hifivelt9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

You don't believe everything you read on the internet do you? Work this one out for yourself.

Simple question for you; Do more people die of reactions to vaccinations against disease today than died from those very same dis eases historically, in your opinion?

king
09-02-2007, 10:31 PM
OK, please read this:

Simian cytomegalovirus in polio vaccine. Simian foamy virus in the rotavirus vaccine. Bird-cancer viruses in the MMR vaccine. Various micro-organisms in the anthrax vaccine. I've found potentially dangerous enzyme inhibitors in several vaccines. Duck, dog, and rabbit viruses in the rubella vaccine. Avian leucosis virus in the flu vaccine. Pestivirus in the MMR vaccine.


what are bird cancer viruses doing in MMR vaccine?

ohhh, so a few years from now that person who got MMR shot is suddenly diagnosed with "avian flu"????

jimijams
09-02-2007, 11:21 PM
You don't believe everything you read on the internet do you? Work this one out for yourself.

Simple question for you; Do more people die of reactions to vaccinations against disease today than died from those very same dis eases historically, in your opinion?
Judging by your question you couldn't be bothered to take the time to read through the links or watch the video I posted..

I won't waste any further time on you, enjoy your shots.http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4687/hifivelt9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

them
10-02-2007, 05:04 PM
what are bird cancer viruses doing in MMR vaccine?

ohhh, so a few years from now that person who got MMR shot is suddenly diagnosed with "avian flu"????

LOL

Well.. I'm sure we'll both still be healthy enough to contemplate the veracity of your claims in the future :)

them
10-02-2007, 05:09 PM
Judging by your question you couldn't be bothered to take the time to read through the links or watch the video I posted..
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4687/hifivelt9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

I read them all (kids leaping of buildings after anti-viral treatments et cetera).. but couldn't be bothered to sit through all the proxy data on that video. Shame you couldn't be bothered to answer my simplistic question..

I won't waste any further time on you

Ok, off you go then.

yellow
10-02-2007, 08:47 PM
You don't believe everything you read on the internet do you? Work this one out for yourself.

Simple question for you; Do more people die of reactions to vaccinations against disease today than died from those very same dis eases historically, in your opinion?

Deaths from those diseases stopped due to better nutrition and hygiene and thats an irrefutable fact, known data proves that vaccinations are not responsible for the drop in death rates for those diseases so the question is meaningless anyway.
Fancy Polio, the Polio vaccine was responsible for the vast majority of Polio cases in the 1940s and only stopped after people stopped having the vaccine, pure junk science.

The question should be are vaccinations harming and killing more people than the disease they claim to protect against? and in the case of childhood diseases which only kill a minute fraction of those who contract anyway and are nothing to feared as tens of millions of us have had them including me, my mother even took me to a measles party so i would contract it, we don't toxic vaccinations in place of our immune system which if you rely on will only weaken your ability to fight disease in the future.
I would much prefer my child to have mumps which they will recover from than being pumped full of toxic bio crap along with the sheeple mentality brainwashing that you seemed to have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

jimijams
11-02-2007, 02:10 AM
Deaths from those diseases stopped due to better nutrition and hygiene and thats an irrefutable fact, known data proves that vaccinations are not responsible for the drop in death rates for those diseases so the question is meaningless anyway.
Fancy Polio, the Polio vaccine was responsible for the vast majority of Polio cases in the 1940s and only stopped after people stopped having the vaccine, pure junk science.

The question should be are vaccinations harming and killing more people than the disease they claim to protect against? and in the case of childhood diseases which only kill a minute fraction of those who contract anyway and are nothing to feared as tens of millions of us have had them including me, my mother even took me to a measles party so i would contract it, we don't toxic vaccinations in place of our immune system which if you rely on will only weaken your ability to fight disease in the future.
I would much prefer my child to have mumps which they will recover from than being pumped full of toxic bio crap along with the sheeple mentality brainwashing that you seemed to have swallowed hook, line and sinker.
Good summary Yellow..

At the end of the day it's really about being properly informed, after that what choice you make is your own business.

them
11-02-2007, 11:47 AM
At the end of the day it's really about being properly informed, after that what choice you make is your own business.

Agreed. Lets hope people keep getting vaccinated as I for one would not like to see a return of, Smallpox for example.

http://www.uwosh.edu/departments/biology/shors/textbook/images/smallpox.jpg

Vaccination..

http://www.cressbrook.co.uk/ashborn/churchfarm/cow1.jpg
Vacca

Variolation; http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/images/jenner.jpg

One person who experienced variolation as a child in the late 1700s was Edward Jenner, a young boy who survived the process and grew up to become a country doctor in England. As a country doctor, Jenner noticed a relationship between the equine disease known as "grease" and a bovine disease known as "cow pox." He saw that farmers who treated horses with grease lesions often saw the development of cow pox in their cows, complete with blisters similar to those seen in smallpox infection. Unlike lethal smallpox, however, the cowpox blisters eventually disappeared, leaving only a small scar at the site of each blister.

At the same time, Jenner was interested when a milkmaid told him that she could not catch smallpox because she had had cowpox. Jenner noted that there were many people like the milkmaid - people who milked cows and who did not get smallpox even when exposed repeatedly. With this in mind, Jenner undertook a daring experiment in 1796: he infected a young boy with cowpox in hopes of preventing subsequent smallpox infection. After allowing the boy to recover fully from cowpox, Jenner - in an experiment that would be considered unethical by today's scientific community - intentionally infected the boy with smallpox by injecting pus from a smallpox lesion directly under his skin. As Jenner had predicted, the boy did not contract smallpox.

Although Jenner wanted to report his first case study in the Transactions of the Royal Society of London, his study was rejected. Despite this, Jenner went on to collect 23 case histories over the next months and published his own book detailing his observations. The book was called "An inquiry into the causes and effects of the variolae vaccinae, a disease discovered in some of the western counties of England, particularly Gloucestershire, and known by the name of The Cow Pox." It soon became clear that Jenner's experiments had paid off, and that intentional infection with cowpox protected people from much more serious infection with smallpox. As a result, within a few years thousands of people protected themselves from the deadly smallpox disease by intentionally infecting themselves with cowpox. Jenner's process came to be called "vaccination," after "vacca," the Latin word for cow, and the substance used to vaccinate was called a "vaccine."

[url]http://www.sc.edu/library/spcoll/nathist/jenner.html (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:Variolation&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title)

http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/images/variolation.jpg

yellow
11-02-2007, 02:57 PM
Agreed. Lets hope people keep getting vaccinated as I for one would not like to see a return of, Smallpox for example.

http://www.uwosh.edu/departments/biology/shors/textbook/images/smallpox.jpg

Vaccination..

http://www.cressbrook.co.uk/ashborn/churchfarm/cow1.jpg
Vacca

Variolation (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:Variolation&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title); http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/images/jenner.jpg

One person who experienced variolation as a child in the late 1700s was Edward Jenner, a young boy who survived the process and grew up to become a country doctor in England. As a country doctor, Jenner noticed a relationship between the equine disease known as "grease" and a bovine disease known as "cow pox." He saw that farmers who treated horses with grease lesions often saw the development of cow pox in their cows, complete with blisters similar to those seen in smallpox infection. Unlike lethal smallpox, however, the cowpox blisters eventually disappeared, leaving only a small scar at the site of each blister.

At the same time, Jenner was interested when a milkmaid told him that she could not catch smallpox because she had had cowpox. Jenner noted that there were many people like the milkmaid - people who milked cows and who did not get smallpox even when exposed repeatedly. With this in mind, Jenner undertook a daring experiment in 1796: he infected a young boy with cowpox in hopes of preventing subsequent smallpox infection. After allowing the boy to recover fully from cowpox, Jenner - in an experiment that would be considered unethical by today's scientific community - intentionally infected the boy with smallpox by injecting pus from a smallpox lesion directly under his skin. As Jenner had predicted, the boy did not contract smallpox.

Although Jenner wanted to report his first case study in the Transactions of the Royal Society of London, his study was rejected. Despite this, Jenner went on to collect 23 case histories over the next months and published his own book detailing his observations. The book was called "An inquiry into the causes and effects of the variolae vaccinae, a disease discovered in some of the western counties of England, particularly Gloucestershire, and known by the name of The Cow Pox." It soon became clear that Jenner's experiments had paid off, and that intentional infection with cowpox protected people from much more serious infection with smallpox. As a result, within a few years thousands of people protected themselves from the deadly smallpox disease by intentionally infecting themselves with cowpox. Jenner's process came to be called "vaccination," after "vacca," the Latin word for cow, and the substance used to vaccinate was called a "vaccine."

http://www.sc.edu/library/spcoll/nathist/jenner.html

http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/images/variolation.jpg




Sorry but that is complete rubbish, major disinformation and is not what even happened at all, this is a no brainer, why are you even on this forum if you can't see the truth about vaccinations which is very basic stuff for awake and aware people who know how this world is run and the poison inflicted on mankind bt TPTB. It was the smallpox vaccine that was responsible for most small pox cases and it only stopped after people stopped having the vaccine, WHILE THOUSANDS OF FULLY VACCINATED PEOPLE DIED FROM SMALLPOX.
Notice how even Jenner refused to vaccinate his second son after nearly killing his first.

The Truth about Smallpox

This message was prompted by a headline in today's Orange County register; "Maker gives U.S. 85 million smallpox-vaccine doses." "The nation's top health officials calls the donation a "huge insurance policy" against bioterrorism."

How safe and neccessary are these smallpox vaccines? The following information that I will relate has been taken from an article entitled, "Biological Warfare...Who is the real enemy? Smallpox -A psycho-plague in the making," written by Rose Stevens Director of Vaccine Safety Concerns for the Common Cause Medical Foundation. Some of the highlights of this article are as follows:

"First of all, it is worth while noting that Edward Jenner, the inventor of the smallpox vaccine, tried out the vaccine on his 10 month old son. He gave his son over 22 vaccinations. His son remained mentally retarded until his death from tuberculosis at the age of 21. Jenner refused to vaccinate his second child."

"One of the worst smallpox epidemics of all time took place in England between 1870-72, nearly two decades after compulsory smallpox vaccines were introduced. The people of Leicaster England refused to have any more vaccines and relied on better sanitation and quarentine. Interestingly enough, there was only one death from small pox in Leicaster during that epidemic. In contrast, citizens in other communities who had been vaccinated, died in vast number.[1] Doctors and drug companies may not like to admit the fact that better living conditions, surveillance, and quarentine got rid of the smallpox -not the vaccine."

"Dr. Matthew J. Rodermund, M.D., of Wisconsen, USA, for years offered $10,ooo to anyone who could prove scientifically that smallpox is contagious. ""In fact, Dr. Rodermund created a sensation by smearing his body with the exudates of smallpox sores in order to demonstrate to his medical colleagues that a healthy body could not be infected with the disease. He was arrested and quarentined in jail, but not before he had come into contact with many people. Not a single case of smallpox developed through this exposure..." [2,3]

"Dr. Charles A.A.Campbell, M.D., of San Antonio, USA, who was for years in charge of an isolation hospital made exhaustive experiments in order to demonstrate that smallpox is contagious, but found that this is not the case."

So who is the real enemy and just how much of a threat is smallpox to a healthy immune system? I remember that before the anthrax scare began, USA Today had a headline that health officials were concerned that anthrax might be used by bioterrorists. It was only three days later that the first cases of anthrax sprung up. Later on after examining the spores, it was found to be U.S. military grade anthrax!..?! So does the anouncement of a smallpox threat and the Bush administration's push for more vaccine development imply an inevitable bioterrorist attack? [designer smallpox made in the USA]?

When the anthrax scare was on I noticed that some news footage used certain affects and camera techniques to make it all look more scarey than it really was, like a bad horror movie. The real terror-inducer is the mainstream media. So let us not give in to this delusional media-hyped fear syndrone and also explore the truth about alternative forms of dealing with viruses and disease.
http://harkless.org/steve/writing/The_Truth_about_Smallpox.html

yellow
11-02-2007, 03:18 PM
Its clearly shown that the smallpox vaccine did not prevent smallpox, no evidence at that smallpox is even contagious, proof that the vaccine did more harm than good, almost certain that the smallpox vaccine caused many cases of smallpox and that good hygiene and living conditions beat it, never the vaccine.

them
11-02-2007, 04:05 PM
why are you even on this forum if you can't see the truth about vaccinations which is very basic stuff for awake and aware people who know how this world is run

I'll stay on this forum for as long as I choose to, despite your insistence that I agree with your point of view. In fact, I don't have to agree with you or anybody else’s pov. I decide what I believe based on the information available to me.

lol, so you think you're awake do you?

Its clearly shown that the smallpox vaccine did not prevent smallpox, no evidence at that smallpox is even contagious, proof that the vaccine did more harm than good, almost certain that the smallpox vaccine caused many cases of smallpox and that good hygiene and living conditions beat it, never the vaccine.

Try telling a bioweaponeer that! You do believe in biological warfare agents don't you?

yellow
11-02-2007, 04:22 PM
Try telling a bioweaponeer that! You do believe in biological warfare agents don't you?

We were talking about the truth about smallpox and vaccinations, not biowarfare which is completely separate issue which i can only assume you mention to sidetrack from the fact your smallpox post and vaccination info has been thoroughly debunked for all to see on here.

What the hell has biowarfare got to do with the fact that small pox vaccinations gave people smallpox and it was wiped out by hygiene and better living conditions and when people stopped having the jab? and that vaccinations do more harm than good for the diseases they given against?

Talk about being in major denial, your like a person who puts his fingers in his ears and sings la la la la la when confronted with truths you do not want to hear.
Please stick to the issue at hand and not bring in other issues when you have no reply for what we are discussing as its so obvious.

I am a awake? your the one in deep slumber my friend and have swallowed all the brainwashing and BS just like you are supposed to just like a good sheep.

jimijams
11-02-2007, 05:00 PM
At the end of the day it's really about being properly informed, after that what choice you make is your own business.
;)

unicorn
11-02-2007, 05:24 PM
Dr Robert Mendelssohn (author of 'How to Raise a Healthy Child Inspite of your Doctor' - ;) awesome title!!) had amazing statistics of the correlation between smallpox vaccinated third world countries & the rise of AIDS in those areas.

Them, do you trust vaccinations 100%, or do you believe that there are possible side-effect risks?

Yes, I do beleive that vaccinations KILL more people that the diseases they are said to prevent. They kill you slowly (mostly) by destroying your immune system, esp. preventing the lymph from producing t-cells, so ANY condition (eg: cancer) can be attributed to jabs. Also many children are being born weaker as their parents compromised immune system is preventing the children from receiving immune protection. Then they get jabbed, & it pushes them through their immune threshold hence the rise in ADHD, autism, asperges, dyslexia, epilepsy etc...

You also have not answered my previous question to you, do you not suspect any link betwenn autism & the MMR vaccine?

yellow
11-02-2007, 06:26 PM
Dr Robert Mendelssohn (author of 'How to Raise a Healthy Child Inspite of your Doctor' - ;) awesome title!!) had amazing statistics of the correlation between smallpox vaccinated third world countries & the rise of AIDS in those areas.

Them, do you trust vaccinations 100%, or do you believe that there are possible side-effect risks?

Yes, I do beleive that vaccinations KILL more people that the diseases they are said to prevent. They kill you slowly (mostly) by destroying your immune system, esp. preventing the lymph from producing t-cells, so ANY condition (eg: cancer) can be attributed to jabs. Also many children are being born weaker as their parents compromised immune system is preventing the children from receiving immune protection. Then they get jabbed, & it pushes them through their immune threshold hence the rise in ADHD, autism, asperges, dyslexia, epilepsy etc...

You also have not answered my previous question to you, do you not suspect any link betwenn autism & the MMR vaccine?

Good post More facts about the quackery and superstitious junk science of Edward Jenner.

SMALLPOX NO LONGER SERIOUS

According to a reply given recently by Major Boyd Carpenter in Parliament, 56 provincial and 7 London districts have had cases of smallpox during the past year. And in all these places many thousands of unvaccinated persons, called a "danger to others," have not even been a danger to themselves, the total deaths, including vaccinated and unvaccinated, having only been 27, with the unprecedentedly low death-rate of barely 3 per cent. The total number of cases all over the country is given as 902, of whom 271 were vaccinated and 625 either "unvaccinated" or" presenting no evidence of vaccination" and incubation cases; 6 cases with no information.

We are struck here with the remarkable fact that two distinct classes are included among the unvaccinated, namely, those which presented no doubt, and those apparently examined for "evidence" which was not found. Clearly the latter cases are those in which the patients declared that they had been vaccinated. The marks may have been concealed by the eruption, or their vaccination may not have "taken"--in which case, according to the theory, smallpox ought not to have "taken" either. This circumstance, together with the tricks that can be played with the classification during a scare--counting as unvaccinated those alleged to have been "probably" sickening before the vaccination took place--renders the classification highly unsatisfactory. I have had personal experience of the tendency to put down a smallpox case as unvaccinated. Every kind of disingenuousness is resorted to in order to make the diagnosis agree with a preconception. The fact has ere now been confessed by the offender. Even where--if anywhere--the classification is correct, it must be remembered that the unvaccinated class is liable to contain children so delicate that the public vaccinator has refused to vaccinate them, infants a few days or weeks old whose parents are among the sufferers, and others who cannot be fairly compared with the normal majority. In the recent Poplar outbreak an official of the Ministry of Health has stated that only 19 per cent of the child population is vaccinated, and practically everywhere the percentage of the unvaccinated exceeds that of the vaccinatcd. This, of course, has a great influence on the figures. If smallpox breaks out in a school, in a district where most of the children are unvaccinated, the majority of the sufferers are bound to be in that class.

People have been solemnly warned that the reason why smallpox has just broken out is because our population is unvaccinated; yet Dr. Killick Millard complains of primary vaccination as liable to make smallpox mild and unrecognised, so that the element of danger lies in the vaccinated! He has his excuse in the circumstance that these have always started epidemics.

THE ORIGIN OF VACCINATION

Why do people believe in vaccination? Why did they ever believe in the King's touch?

Jenner's idea was based solely upon a dairymaid's superstition. He sought to give it a scientific air by calling cowpox (a disease which bears no analogy to smallpox) variolae vaccinae--i.e., smallpox of the cow. The Latin name was not without its effect, and anything that promised less harmful results than the prevailing practice of the direct inoculation of smallpox matter (which had been killing people by hundreds, and afterwards had to be forbidden by Act of Parliament) was acceptable at the time to the frightened and gullible population. The rest was an affair of influence. When once an error is accepted by a profession corporately and endowed by Government, to uproot it becomes a herculean task, beside which the entrance of a rich man into the Kingdom of Heaven is easy.

The Compulsory Vaccination Act was passed in 1853; a still more stringent one followed in 1867. And between the years 1871 and 1880 there were 57,016 smallpox deaths. Compare this with the small number in the present day, when considerably more than half the population is unvaccinated, and when awful warnings are periodically uttered about the decimating scourge always "bound to come," which never arrives! Between 1911 and 1920 the deaths numbered only 110.

Let us look at the most recent Annual report of the Registrar-General--the eighty-third. He states that during the last 15 years 53 vaccinated persons have died of smallpox. In addition, there were 92 other deaths of the "doubtful" class mentioned above; that is, those declared by patients or friends to have been vaccinated, but which have been entered by medical officials as "doubtful" rather than take the slight trouble of searching the registers for verification. We may conclude, therefore, that there were 145 cases of smallpox deaths in vaccinated persons in this country during the last 15 years. And yet there were only 78 unvaccinaed deaths during the same period. Thus, the rate of vaccinated to unvaccinated deaths is nearly two to one. This is the more remarkable seeing that during this same 15 years England has been largely unvaccinated, probably to the extent of about 75 per cent.



Medicine man Edward Jenner was the father of modern vaccination!!

Edward Jenner—a quack doctor— was the father of the filthy practice of vaccination:

Edward Jenner S.J. (1749 —1823).


Edward Jenner was an S.J. -- a Slick Jesuit -- who taught the medical world how to use the POISONED NEEDLE. He was the first to associate human diseases with that of animals. This idea paved the way for vaccination which is responsible for the deaths of multiplied millions of people around the world. The idea that humans and animals are related and share the same diseases led to the theory of evilution which is responsible for the spiritual death of multiplied millions more.

In the countryside in Gloustershire, England, where Jenner lived, the farmers had a legend or superstition that catching cowpox (a disease of cows which was transferred to the cows' udders by unwashed or bleeding hands) would act like a charm or amulet to make them immune from catching the human disease of smallpox.

Medicine man Jenner took this local legend or old wives' tale and turned it into a scientific FACT. He did this by first getting some scientific credentials (M.D., F.R.S. - Fellow of the Royal Society). Next he wrote a book and on the title page only he used the term VARIOLAE VACCINAE. This means in Medieval Latin: smallpox of the cow. Thus associating a human disease with a disease of the cow. There never was such a disease as smallpox of the cow until "Dr." Jenner invented it for the title of his book.

Jenner invented a new disease—VARIOLAE VACCINAE—smallpox of the cow!!

Cover of Jenner's book written in 1798.


Notice how medicine man Jenner cleverly uses the scientific name for smallpox, VARIOLAE, and associates it with the cow disease of cowpox. He NEVER mentions the name VARIOLAE VACCINAE again in his book. It is mostly about HORSE GREASE being the cause of smallpox of the cow. Jenner figured that very few people would actually read the book but most would just look at the COVER and make a mental association between Smallpox and Cowpox.

Dr. Charles Creighton— a brilliant Scottish doctor—exposed Jenner's clever sleight of hand in his masterly tome:Jenner and Vaccination.

Dr. Charles Creighton

"The title of Jenner's cowpox paper is: "An Inquiry into the Causes and Effects of the Variolae Vaccinae, a Disease discovered in some of the Western Counties, especially Gloucestershire, and known by the name of the Cowpox." An objection might be taken to "discovered," but let that pass. The leading line in this full and learned title is Variolae Vaccinae, which is the only name in the short title. Now Variolae Vaccine is Latin for smallpox of the cow. An affection of cows and milkers, which had been known to country people for generations as the cowpox, is suddenly introduced to the learned, who had never heard of it before, under a brand-new name. The new name is put in the forefront of the title, it overshadows the old country name both by its prominence and by its semblance of scientific precision, and, for purposes of short reference, it becomes the sole name. This startling novelty is on the title-pages, and only on the title-pages. Jenner never says, in the preface or text, that the name is a new one, hitherto unheard of in veterinary or medical writings; he never says a single word to justify its invention; he never once uses it in the preface or text at all. But there it stands in the title as the full, correct, and scientific name of the disease, to be copied in journals and repeated in a hundred ways when not one word of the essay would be copied or repeated, carrying with it, in short, all the power over the ideas that a descriptive synonym for an unfamiliar thing does naturally carry with it." (Jenner and Vaccination, Dr. Charles Creighton, p. 44).

This is like saying that a horse chestnut (a tree) and a chestnut horse are the same thing or that a beetle (an insect) is the same thing as a BEATLE (a decomposing rock musician).

The only correlation between smallpox and cowpox is that both names ended in POX. Heaven and Hell both start with the same letter H but they are vastly different places.
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020119hadwin/020119hadwenmagazine.html

unicorn
11-02-2007, 06:38 PM
Thanks for sharing that, Yellow. I'm a bit confused as I believed that it was Louis Pasteur that was responsible for vaccinations... :confused: not that this niggly detail really matters, not in comparison to the insidious misery & death that vaccinations are causing. :(
Not for much longer... the times they are a changing

yellow
11-02-2007, 08:31 PM
Thanks for sharing that, Yellow. I'm a bit confused as I believed that it was Louis Pasteur that was responsible for vaccinations... :confused: not that this niggly detail really matters, not in comparison to the insidious misery & death that vaccinations are causing. :(
Not for much longer... the times they are a changing
They say that Jenner discovered vaccinations but Pasteur invented them and took them to another level as he was born about 60 or 70 years later than Jenner. He was a plagiarist though and stole a lot work from Bechamp which he never gave him credit for and on death repented all life's work and admitted Bechamp was right with his last words "the germ is nothing the soil is everything"

Bechamp V Pasteur
http://whale.to/p/bechamp.html

unicorn
11-02-2007, 10:20 PM
Thanks Yellow, I am aware that the world would be a much healthier place if the medical establishment was based on Bechamp's wisdom, instead of Pasteur's plagiarism. I have read other's research on how Bechamp has been practically eradicated from all medical history journals... grrrrr!
Thanks for the link, I'll check it out! :)

jimijams
12-02-2007, 01:19 AM
Thanks Yellow, I am aware that the world would be a much healthier place if the medical establishment was based on Bechamp's wisdom, instead of Pasteur's plagiarism. I have read other's research on how Bechamp has been practically eradicated from all medical history journals... grrrrr!
Thanks for the link, I'll check it out! :)
"I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death."

- taken from the Hippocratic Oath
Hippocratic Oath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jane643
12-02-2007, 01:41 PM
Flu vacination this year has caused alot of eldery people to be seriously ill.I know one woman who was so ill she died a week after having it. Three more are still ill since the injection they had in december. There was some problem with the first batch of vacination as they cancelled all the patients appointments and recalled them to have a jab a week later than expected. My mother has been ill for over two months now and will never have another jab . I just wish they would stop this stupid jab, having said that its one way of getting rid of a generation of elderly who have had there pensions stolen.
As for bird flu its just another way of controlling us.