David Icke Worshipping

[purple is a fruit]

On many threads lately, there are posts, in particular from people who have belief systems in place, ie follow religions, who accuse others on this forum in a very lame rebuttle attempt that anyone who defends the work of David Icke or may find his work resonates with them on some level is some sort of 'David Icke Worshipper'

Now to me this is ridiculous. David Icke is just a bloke. He has worked tirelessly to expose this 'matrix' we all are part of. many relate to it, and his work resonates, this does not make him some sort of Religious leader. And to suggest this is simply a pathetic and desperate attempt to cause a stir, obviously. Which it does on may occasions.

Most on this forum have let go of their belief systems, in fact for many this has probably been one of the toughest things they have had to face, realising that everything they have been indoctrinated and brainwashed with their whole life is nothing more than a crock of shit. A scary realisation that there is no 'GOD' figure to 'worship' and no 'saviour' no heaven, no hell, only what you wish to create. You are the creator. A very liberating experience nonetheless.

We have all been programmed to worship. This is deliberate. letting go of this worshipping program is a tough thing for many.

David Icke is NO God figure. And to suggest such a thing is laughable, especially when those suggesting it assume that others MUST be worshipping as they cannot relate to the fact that some of us dont actually have this need to worship anything. We let all of that baggage go a long time ago.

Many will defend David because he is a person. Simple. A person who has gone to great lengths in an attempt to wake up the masses of all mentioned above. Whether he has it all right, or all wrong, to me is irrelevent, I let my intuition guide me, but my intuition also tells me that he is a decent man who against all the odds is doing what he can to free our minds and to wake us all up to this illusion we think is life. No worshipping necessary here folks. maybe just a THANK YOU would be enough.

Thanks David for your hard work. And also for this forum and your website.

Purple.

[graflok]

Good post, purple! :)

graflok

[tinmenace]

Hear Hear, Purp!

[poodle]

Hear hear!

[limelady]

Right on again purple!

Yes it would seem the subtle difference(s) in connotation between the words worship/devotion and admiration/respect are a little too subtle for some people to wrap their heads round. :rolleyes:

[i_am]

Well said purps.

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I believed these things before I had read a thing of David Icke's. He is not the only one giving this information. It has been out there forever, reptiles and all. Actually I first refused to read The Biggest Secret when it was brought along to a group I interacted with. The reaction from most was one of fear and I thought that was what he was portraying. Eventually I decided to read it and it made so much sense to me. I had most of the pieces but David brought it all together. If it is the first time you have been exposed to the idea that your world is not what it seems, it may cause any of a number of reactions: Fear, anger, disbelief, ridicule or it just MAY help you to understand why you have always felt something was amiss.

As you have stated, and as have I and others, we don't agree with everything David says. Some things I interpret a little differently. The information may be valid but how we interpret it is an individual thing.

[roxanna222]

Well said! I would also like to say thanks to the others who made icke who he is , well who have helped. Also to all free thinkers and to those leaving the systems. Such as taking their kids out of school for example. I like icke but also jordan and tsarion and in particulr jordan's research impresses me. Do check it out. AS purp so right said none is a God but are us ok. Look at other researchers as well completes the picture in some ways though not entirely. Cheers

[pollock]

It also seems to me, that the people who sling this accusation around are those who worship something themselves, makes me think about the theory that the things we accuse others of are indeed the things we dislike in ourselves!


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[earthseed]

A lot of people come to this forum because they have something to prove. They want to shut David up and the people who study his work. Why? Because there is something in it that scares them so deeply they feel they have to attack it. So expect them to call you a shill and an idol worshipper. What else do they have to say when their back is up against the wall and all they really have is fear? Others will post articles against David and run off. I mean really they are just helping him by doing such childish things. The more they attack the more there must be something to what he is doing otherwise why is so much work put into going after him? You don't bother if there isn't something there.

[pollock]

Typical acts of worship

Typical acts of worship include:

* prayer;
* sacrifice (korban in Hebrew);
* rituals;
* some forms of meditation;
* holidays, festivals;
* pilgrimages;
* hymns, psalms or worship music;
* dance
* the construction of temples or shrines;
* the creation of idols of the deity.
* living out Worship in Daily Life.
(wikipedia)'

Personally I don't do any of these things in connection with davids work!:D
Although there was some talk of us having a festival on some thread??:eek:
Worshippers!!!!!
(Darn, I could have used a perticular emoticon here)
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[i am all i am]

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Well said Purple and all, not much left to add soooo...... http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1898/sign4ux0.gif


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[earthseed]

It's David Icke day everyone speak up and be prepared to get attacked. That would be a really fun holiday.

Here are some holiday attack phrases:

You nutter!
You anti-christ!
You mason!
You reptile!
You racist!
You shill!

The day ends with you not getting beaten down by the fearful masses and you keep going into greater awareness.


Am I crazy! I sure hope so! No more programming! :D

[lookfar]

Well said purps!! :)

[son of the godhead]

On many threads lately, there are posts, in particular from people who have belief systems in place, ie follow religions, who accuse others on this forum in a very lame rebuttle attempt that anyone who defends the work of David Icke or may find his work resonates with them on some level is some sort of 'David Icke Worshipper'

Now to me this is ridiculous. David Icke is just a bloke. He has worked tirelessly to expose this 'matrix' we all are part of. many relate to it, and his work resonates, this does not make him some sort of Religious leader. And to suggest this is simply a pathetic and desperate attempt to cause a stir, obviously. Which it does on may occasions.

Most on this forum have let go of their belief systems, in fact for many this has probably been one of the toughest things they have had to face, realising that everything they have been indoctrinated and brainwashed with their whole life is nothing more than a crock of shit. A scary realisation that there is no 'GOD' figure to 'worship' and no 'saviour' no heaven, no hell, only what you wish to create. You are the creator. A very liberating experience nonetheless.

We have all been programmed to worship. This is deliberate. letting go of this worshipping program is a tough thing for many.

David Icke is NO God figure. And to suggest such a thing is laughable, especially when those suggesting it assume that others MUST be worshipping as they cannot relate to the fact that some of us dont actually have this need to worship anything. We let all of that baggage go a long time ago.

Many will defend David because he is a person. Simple. A person who has gone to great lengths in an attempt to wake up the masses of all mentioned above. Whether he has it all right, or all wrong, to me is irrelevent, I let my intuition guide me, but my intuition also tells me that he is a decent man who against all the odds is doing what he can to free our minds and to wake us all up to this illusion we think is life. No worshipping necessary here folks. maybe just a THANK YOU would be enough.

Thanks David for your hard work. And also for this forum and your website.

Purple.

Criticism is healthy, and Icke has championed those who do not agree with him. My belief is that Icke couldn't care less (as he has stated so on numerous occasions), what people think about him or his work. It seems to me that those who do act as though he is "The Messiah" have mor of a problem with said criticism than Icke ever would.

This forum is curerntly indulged within a "Cult of Personality" concerning David Icke, and the proof is in the pudding. It is Moderated - and produced - by people who quite clearly have too much of their focus placed upon David Icke, and the way they write about him is at times cringe-worthy.

Yes, he is just a bloke. But you wouldn;t think so in here.

[emma royds]

Criticism is healthy, and Icke has championed those who do not agree with him. My belief is that Icke couldn't care less (as he has stated so on numerous occasions), what people think about him or his work. It seems to me that those who do act as though he is "The Messiah" have mor of a problem with said criticism than Icke ever would.

This forum is curerntly indulged within a "Cult of Personality" concerning David Icke, and the proof is in the pudding. It is Moderated - and produced - by people who quite clearly have too much of their focus placed upon David Icke, and the way they write about him is at times cringe-worthy.

Yes, he is just a bloke. But you wouldn;t think so in here.



Oh for goodness sake, go away and do something useful with your life, you never know in so doing it may even lead you to learn to love yourself a little better.

[mk72]

To respect somebody's work is not the same as "horseshit" (sorry worship), I get an idea it is religious people who make these comments, they HAVE to believe in something and they HAVE to worship something!!! Since we don't believe in anything and we believe in everything (all an illusion), we freak them out.

[son of the godhead]

Oh for goodness sake, go away and do something useful with your life, you never know in so doing it may even lead you to learn to love yourself a little better.

Fingers in ears and "la-la-la" time, Emma?

[tinmenace]

Criticism is healthy, and Icke has championed those who do not agree with him. My belief is that Icke couldn't care less (as he has stated so on numerous occasions), what people think about him or his work. It seems to me that those who do act as though he is "The Messiah" have mor of a problem with said criticism than Icke ever would.

This forum is curerntly indulged within a "Cult of Personality" concerning David Icke, and the proof is in the pudding. It is Moderated - and produced - by people who quite clearly have too much of their focus placed upon David Icke, and the way they write about him is at times cringe-worthy.

Yes, he is just a bloke. But you wouldn;t think so in here.

Messiah? That smacks of religion and is proof that you have no idea what you're talking about.

You use such weird words, like "Cult"...again suggests organized beliefs or thoughts and once again this is not what it's about. You're so far off track...

This is davidicke.com. It's about discussing his research, our own research and the effects it has had on our lives. It's about friendship. If people want to slander David, first they need to start their OWN forum, and secondly be careful because slander is illegal.

You need a serious reality check. What is your purpose here?

[son of the godhead]

Messiah? That smacks of religion and is proof that you have no idea what you're talking about.

You use such weird words, like "Cult"...again suggests organized beliefs or thoughts and once again this is not what it's about. You're so far off track...

This is davidicke.com. It's about discussing his research, our own research and the effects it has had on our lives. It's about friendship. If people want to slander David, first they need to start their OWN forum, and secondly be careful because slander is illegal.

You need a serious reality check. What is your purpose here?

Balance.

[tinmenace]

Could you elaborate?

[son of the godhead]

Could you elaborate?

I don;t believe that we have been fed the right information regarding one subject. Most here do. The weight in favour of this subject is disproportionately balanced, and I believe differing opinions are necessary for a healthy forum.

When I have read more evidence to the contrary I will express so and change my opinions, but all I see in here is people (like yourself) yahoo-ing!

[pollock]

Balance.
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I'm interested, why do you feel the need to balance this forum?
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[purple is a fruit]

I don;t believe that we have been fed the right information regarding one subject. Most here do. The weight in favour of this subject is disproportionately balanced, and I believe differing opinions are necessary for a healthy forum.

When I have read more evidence to the contrary I will express so and change my opinions, but all I see in here is people (like yourself) yahoo-ing!


From where I stand it is you who is in charge of holding the spoon so therefore it is you who can decide what you are FED.

[tinmenace]

I don;t believe that we have been fed the right information regarding one subject. Most here do. The weight in favour of this subject is disproportionately balanced, and I believe differing opinions are necessary for a healthy forum.

When I have read more evidence to the contrary I will express so and change my opinions, but all I see in here is people (like yourself) yahoo-ing!

Could you please give examples of this incorrect information, and also fill us in with your own research while you're at it, please.

[son of the godhead]

Could you please give examples of this incorrect information, and also fill us in with your own research while you're at it, please.

No, because I'm obviously making this all up, just to be pedantic.

[son of the godhead]

From where I stand it is you who is in charge of holding the spoon so therefore it is you who can decide what you are FED.

Why does my difference of opinion burn within you so intensely?

[emma royds]

Could you please give examples of this incorrect information, and also fill us in with your own research while you're at it, please.


Tinmenace, sonofthegodhead's purpose is to cause trouble, he is a troubled soul who thrives on causing trouble. King of the mountain & sonofthegodhead are one and the same. He is obsessed with attacking David Icke for some reason. Now I find that pretty sad. Maybe we should send him some love, as I get the feeling that this is what is lacking in is life at present

[son of the godhead]

Tinmenace, sonofthegodhead's purpose is to cause trouble, he is a troubled soul, who thrives on causing trouble. King of the mountain & sonofthegodhead are one and the same. He is obsessed with attacking David Icke for some reason. Now I find that pretty sad. Maybe we should send him some love, as I get the feeling that this what is lacking in is life at present

This is hilarious, if not equally as sad. As soon as someone here appears with the same oh-so-controversial opinions as another, they must be king of the mountain?

????????????????????????????????

[tinmenace]

No, because I'm obviously making this all up, just to be pedantic.

So, your purpose here is to provide 'balance' but you can't give us examples of these balances?

Then you're lying.

Ok, now that we've cleared that up...let me ask you to please rethink your behavior.

[purple is a fruit]

Tinmenace, sonofthegodhead's purpose is to cause trouble, he is a troubled soul who thrives on causing trouble. King of the mountain & sonofthegodhead are one and the same. He is obsessed with attacking David Icke for some reason. Now I find that pretty sad. Maybe we should send him some love, as I get the feeling that this is what is lacking in is life at present

I agree with you emma, now lets all send him some love and move on.

[purple is a fruit]

Why does my difference of opinion burn within you so intensely?

The only thing that has burned me intensely lately was the vindaloo I had last night then the after effects I experienced this morning on the toilet.:eek:

Was nasty.

[freespark]

...........

David Icke is NO God figure. And to suggest such a thing is laughable, especially when those suggesting it assume that others MUST be worshipping as they cannot relate to the fact that some of us dont actually have this need to worship anything. We let all of that baggage go a long time ago.

Many will defend David because he is a person. Simple. A person who has gone to great lengths in an attempt to wake up the masses of all mentioned above. Whether he has it all right, or all wrong, to me is irrelevent, I let my intuition guide me, but my intuition also tells me that he is a decent man who against all the odds is doing what he can to free our minds and to wake us all up to this illusion we think is life. No worshipping necessary here folks. maybe just a THANK YOU would be enough.

Thanks David for your hard work. And also for this forum and your website.

Purple.

Thanks for saying that...this echoes my sentiments perfectly.

[son of the godhead]

The only thing that has burned me intensely lately was the vindaloo I had last night then the after effects I experienced this morning on the toilet.:eek:

Was nasty.

Wonderful. But, again, why do my points cause your blood to boil so much?

[purple is a fruit]

Thanks for saying that...this echoes my sentiments perfectly.


Awesome :) and no worries :D

[freespark]

Well said purps.

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I believed these things before I had read a thing of David Icke's. He is not the only one giving this information. It has been out there forever, reptiles and all. Actually I first refused to read The Biggest Secret when it was brought along to a group I interacted with. The reaction from most was one of fear and I thought that was what he was portraying. Eventually I decided to read it and it made so much sense to me. I had most of the pieces but David brought it all together. If it is the first time you have been exposed to the idea that your world is not what it seems, it may cause any of a number of reactions: Fear, anger, disbelief, ridicule or it just MAY help you to understand why you have always felt something was amiss.

As you have stated, and as have I and others, we don't agree with everything David says. Some things I interpret a little differently. The information may be valid but how we interpret it is an individual thing.

Well said this...it's like before you have read Icke's work you had an inkling or suspicion of what was really going on but it felt like you were groping in the dark. When you read one of Dave's books it's like somebody has flicked on the light switch and all is made clear.

It's like there are all these pieces of a big jigsaw puzzle scattered about on a table and Dave fits them all together....ok he might put a few in the wrong place and leave a few out, but all in all he covers the whole picture pretty comprehensively.

And for that i will remain eternally gratefull to him. :)

[mk72]

Wonderful. But, again, why do my points cause your blood to boil so much?

It's your language and your blue ink! You are not giving a different opinion, you are accusing people of being "fed information" and "yahooing" among other things.

[freespark]

Criticism is healthy, and Icke has championed those who do not agree with him. My belief is that Icke couldn't care less (as he has stated so on numerous occasions), what people think about him or his work. It seems to me that those who do act as though he is "The Messiah" have mor of a problem with said criticism than Icke ever would.

This forum is curerntly indulged within a "Cult of Personality" concerning David Icke, and the proof is in the pudding. It is Moderated - and produced - by people who quite clearly have too much of their focus placed upon David Icke, and the way they write about him is at times cringe-worthy.

Yes, he is just a bloke. But you wouldn;t think so in here.

Would you care to quote some of these 'cringeworthy' writings please. I am very interested to see what you have based your assumptions on.

[emma royds]

I agree with you emma, now lets all send him some love and move on.

So mote it be.

[thirdwave]

On many threads lately, there are posts, in particular from people who have belief systems in place, ie follow religions, who accuse others on this forum in a very lame rebuttle attempt that anyone who defends the work of David Icke or may find his work resonates with them on some level is some sort of 'David Icke Worshipper'

Now to me this is ridiculous. David Icke is just a bloke. He has worked tirelessly to expose this 'matrix' we all are part of. many relate to it, and his work resonates, this does not make him some sort of Religious leader. And to suggest this is simply a pathetic and desperate attempt to cause a stir, obviously. Which it does on may occasions.

Most on this forum have let go of their belief systems, in fact for many this has probably been one of the toughest things they have had to face, realising that everything they have been indoctrinated and brainwashed with their whole life is nothing more than a crock of shit. A scary realisation that there is no 'GOD' figure to 'worship' and no 'saviour' no heaven, no hell, only what you wish to create. You are the creator. A very liberating experience nonetheless.

We have all been programmed to worship. This is deliberate. letting go of this worshipping program is a tough thing for many.

David Icke is NO God figure. And to suggest such a thing is laughable, especially when those suggesting it assume that others MUST be worshipping as they cannot relate to the fact that some of us dont actually have this need to worship anything. We let all of that baggage go a long time ago.

Many will defend David because he is a person. Simple. A person who has gone to great lengths in an attempt to wake up the masses of all mentioned above. Whether he has it all right, or all wrong, to me is irrelevent, I let my intuition guide me, but my intuition also tells me that he is a decent man who against all the odds is doing what he can to free our minds and to wake us all up to this illusion we think is life. No worshipping necessary here folks. maybe just a THANK YOU would be enough.

Thanks David for your hard work. And also for this forum and your website.

Purple.




spot on!

Also ...worshiping someone or something is not bad anyway.... its when you are manipulated into worshiping something you don't fully understand... that is when it is just manipulation for power and control....

If I choose to worship something because of how good I think it is .... why is that a bad thing???

If you love a woman or man... then you express a type of worship.... and its not a negative thing.... as long as its the persons choice and expression...


allot of the people who put David down do so because they see him as some guy who is milking the attention and manipulating people for his own benefit (which is bollox) but the only reason they think this is because they use their own desires as a way of judging others.... there for they put them self's in David's shoes and see how THEY would be.... and because they probably would be some power tripping arse hole given the chance, they assume everyone else is...

this has always been a fucker in my life.... I do certain things in good will... but others see it as something negative because they are far gone from being genuine.


So all in all these people are just talking a load of poo!

[thirdwave]

Criticism is healthy,

Well that depends.... if someone has got a genuine point that can help make something better or more effective then yes...its very healthy, if the criticism has not foundation other than to inflict a negative outlook and view on something.... then I cant see why this is healthy, unless of course it is aimed at defeating or destroying something, then from that view it could be healthy.




and Icke has championed those who do not agree with him. My belief is that Icke couldn't care less (as he has stated so on numerous occasions), what people think about him or his work.

I think common sense shows you that if someone dedicates 20 odd years of their life to something, then they do care very strongly about it... and when we have all heard David say to people he does not care what they think of his work.... this is when people have attacked him for pushing this info.... and yes , why should he care if people think he is bad or crazy for spreading his info??

but you would have to be a little bit ignorant to think that these words really mean he does not care what people think of his work....

when I met him last week I saw he was very pleased that I wanted to talk to him about things and I felt if we were not rushing to a schedule he would have actually nattered on more than me and that's saying something!!



It seems to me that those who do act as though he is "The Messiah" have more of a problem with said criticism than Icke ever would.
I like you little subliminal technique here.... your not kidding no one... no body here or anyone I know treats him like the Messiah... that's your little story..... there are many people here who respect and appreciate his work and have every right to do so..... there expression against what you say, is that they should be left alone to have that view of there own... and not judged and criticise by you for having that respect for him.

This forum is currently indulged within a "Cult of Personality" concerning David Icke, and the proof is in the pudding.

but this is only in your view, which is clearly very one sided and dedicated to creating a negative outlook on David's work, and this forum.... you are right the proof is in the pudding, you see, we are not going around to other forums telling people to follow as you put it "our messiah" ...we gather here as we share the same interests ..... but you come here to try to manipulate our views.... and then when we resist.... you try harder.... and the proof is here for every one to see, the more aggravated you get the more clear it gets...

It is Moderated - and produced - by people who quite clearly have too much of their focus placed upon David Icke, and the way they write about him is at times cringe-worthy.

you have no idea who moderates or produces this website, so how can you so "clearly" have a view on that?????
and its only your views that we have to much focus on him just because we enjoy chatting on his forum..... again a clear indication of what you really have a problem with.... I don't think you are cringing, I think you are frustrated.

Yes, he is just a bloke. But you wouldn;t think so in here.

Well its his forum..... what do you expect? a bunch of people taking about pickled eggs? :rolleyes:

[earthseed]

Balance.

No it is distraction and you know it.

[thirdwave]

No it is distraction and you know it.

of course .... in order for balance you have to allow.... when sotgh clearly ..if he had the power, would not allow people to support David Icke...

for example...

I think Sherry Shriner, is very miss leading and probably has loads of people who are following her that are mislead....

now, if anyone askes me what I think of Sherry Shriner then I will air my views.... and if people want to argue it, i will argue my views... then thats it, done..... if they want to carry on with her then they are free to do so.... no hard feelings....

would I go to her forum and constantly bombard negative comments and accusations towards her and her supporters???

hell no, I have not been to her forum (if she has one) once!...why would I go there?

and who knows .. she might end up doing some good... who am i to be the one who tells everyone who is good and bad? thats just invading peoples space....

we have views and thats all....

[i am all i am]

Balance.

G'day Son of the Godhead.

We are all here for our own reasons.

You are stating that you are here for "balance".

Is this because you are unbalanced within the views that you are expressing ???

Could it be that you require everyone on this forum because we can help you centre yourself from your unbalance state ???

If so, how do you see that we can be of benefit for your imbalance ???

Does your imbalance cause you problems within other areas of your life ??

It is o.k., the vast majority of unbalanced individuals have the same experience.

How do you perceive your unbalanced state and where do you think that this unbalanced state originated ???

Does this unbalanced state create any addictive behaviour that you have difficulty with ???

Do you percieve this unbalanced state to have an effect upon your relationships ???

What do you perceive to be a balanced state of being ???

Do you feel unbalanced because you are comparing yourself to others and are finding that you do not match up within your perception ???

There are many wonderful and beautiful people here on this forum that can help you to find the balance within youself that you are seeking. Be well on your journey.



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[tru3]

Originally Posted by son of the godhead
Balance.

there's all kinds of information being discussed here besides david icke.

that doesn't normally happen in a cult, as i understand the term.

the heading on the mast reads "exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real" , not worship david icke.

i don't think i'm speaking out of term, for example, that most here agree with david about the existence of extradimensional beings; some are reptilian in form; however, not all of us agree lock-step about their relationship in the overall scheme of things.

in fact, if you stick around for more than 100 posts, then you'll see some high-spirited debates. i love these guys, but i don't always agree with them. :)

and, honestly, until you produce some evidence of your claims (i'm the third member to ask), or add something to the dialogue of the forum in the form of new information, i'm losing interest in your spiel.

[lottie]

spot on!

Also ...worshiping someone or something is not bad anyway.... its when you are manipulated into worshiping something you don't fully understand... that is when it is just manipulation for power and control....

If I choose to worship something because of how good I think it is .... why is that a bad thing???

If you love a woman or man... then you express a type of worship.... and its not a negative thing.... as long as its the persons choice and expression...


allot of the people who put David down do so because they see him as some guy who is milking the attention and manipulating people for his own benefit (which is bollox) but the only reason they think this is because they use their own desires as a way of judging others.... there for they put them self's in David's shoes and see how THEY would be.... and because they probably would be some power tripping arse hole given the chance, they assume everyone else is...

this has always been a fucker in my life.... I do certain things in good will... but others see it as something negative because they are far gone from being genuine.


So all in all these people are just talking a load of poo!

Good point, people are more often than not, judging others by their own standards! :rolleyes:

interesing point about worship too, i was beginning to think that worship has become something linked to imbalance etc, 'its not healthy', 'its weird', as so many say but i suppose its like many of the subjects discussed here such as energy and symbolism, they are all neutral untill you attach negative connotations (is that the right word?)to them! (i know what i mean anyway!! LOL!!)

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Good point, people are more often than not, judging others by their own standards! :rolleyes:

interesing point about worship too, i was beginning to think that worship has become something linked to imbalance etc, 'its not healthy', 'its weird', as so many say but i suppose its like many of the subjects discussed here such as energy and symbolism, they are all neutral untill you attach negative connotations (is that the right word?)to them! (i know what i mean anyway!! LOL!!)

I got ya :)

yeah i agree....

the bottom line is if you want to you can see anyone as bad, I think most people look for the bad in others but some look for the good..