There is no evidence for reptilians

[steppewar]

Not my opinion, I'm open minded to it.

The below is an article by someone who is against David Icke's theory on it.

http://current-search-trends.blogspot.com/2008/08/david-icke-and-his-lizards-reptilian.html

[size_of_light]

There is not a single shred of any credible evidence that anything he says in such as this man claims go.

I will require a translation into English before I can respond to the first part of this guys blog...

If there actually were such farces at work, there would be no need to hide anything. We would simply be the slaves of a bunch of Lizards with superior technology.

Maybe we already are, or maybe overt enslavement hasn't been/isn't the agenda.

Just think.

You go first, dude...

They have the ability to shape shift and travel thousands of light years in spaceships. There would be no way we could contest anything. They would simply dominate us, period. I think Wacky Dave got a little too inspired by that late 70s series called "V".

The old "if these beings have superior abilities to us, it naturally follows that they would use them according to my expectations" argument. There's no innate logic in that argument. The latter does not necessarily follow the former. "V" was an 80s television series.

Lets use a little common sense here. Think about the difference in our own technology in the last 55ish or so years. If the USN of today had to do battle with the USN of say 1945 who would win? naturally it would be a cakewalk for the Navy of our current time frame. Now that's just half a century of a difference.

You and I possess more advanced technology than the aardvarks. It hasn't obliged or inspired us to launch an open full-scale frontal assault on the aardvarks. This is the same illogical assumption as previous.

OK, so what are the odds of 2 sentient races coming into contact being at the same level of technology? The odds are there would be millions...if not billions of years of a difference. One side would completely dominate the other. There would be none of this "Raise Shields" or "Power Up Main Photon Battery" nonsense.

What relevance do these statements have to your topic?

If I'm going to go out in the yard and smash and/or exploit an ant colony, Im not going to have to make little fake pretend ants and send them into the nest to do such...

Erm...good. I think. I wouldn't want you wasting your obviously valuable time by having to construct "fake pretend ants".

Good luck with the blog and your plans for the yard.

NEXT!

[mcthompson2x]

It's really not so simple as taking someone's explanation and assuming that it proves there is no evidence. There is certainly a lot of empirical evidence, which David talks about regularly. There are also any number of reasons why we may not know of the existence of reptilian shape-shifters - although, to assume that NO ONE can see these creatures is a little too much. Perhaps the spirit works in ways far different than the one the blogger is accustomed to - when faith is transmuted to understanding, then perhaps reality begins to unfold around the participant/you differently. There's nothing there that really proves anything, just a rant against David Icke that makes a lot of assumptions. It also assumes that human beings are powerless, which is a point that Icke regularly contests. We have a great deal of power, and perhaps an overt galactic crisis or alien invasion - which would certainly broaden minds - would remind us of our ability to use that power along with our new found realization that things aren't as we thought. I think that the rules of the game are such that perpetrators of such heinous acts would know that an equal and opposite reaction was heading right back their way, in some form or another. If karma is real, which the blogger assumes it is not (for some reason), then it would do a great deal to explain the lies and treachery we see today. When all the pieces add up, it seems like they are lying to us because they have to. It explains the honor system - they honestly believe they can dominate us in whatever way they want as long as they tell us what they're doing in SOME way - it explains everything really. Even if other people feel differently, the blog doesn't explain anything - another useless "debunk" that doesn't really say anything new. People loving hopping on the attack bandwagon.

David has his flaws but if he is going to be attacked, it should be done from a more open-minded stance point.

[i_am]

If there actually were such farces at work

Oh indeed their are plenty of 'farces' at work :D

Pleny of unseen 'forces' too, I believe.

[malkor]

It's really not so simple as taking someone's explanation and assuming that it proves there is no evidence.

He doesn't say there is no evidence, he claims there is no credible evidence. On this point, he is certainly right since the 'evidence' presented are some old myths and some witnesses we can't cross examine. What little evidence there is can be interpreted any number of ways.



There is certainly a lot of empirical evidence, which David talks about regularly. There are also any number of reasons why we may not know of the existence of reptilian shape-shifters - although, to assume that NO ONE can see these creatures is a little too much. Perhaps the spirit works in ways far different than the one the blogger is accustomed to - when faith is transmuted to understanding, then perhaps reality begins to unfold around the participant/you differently.


When only some can see something, it comes down to faith for everyone else to believe those few. In this case, we have a religion and not evidence. Those with reasoning ability are not obligated to accept anything based on hear-say.

[size_of_light]

I think that the rules of the game are such that perpetrators of such heinous acts would know that an equal and opposite reaction was heading right back their way, in some form or another. If karma is real, which the blogger assumes it is not (for some reason), then it would do a great deal to explain the lies and treachery we see today. When all the pieces add up, it seems like they are lying to us because they have to. It explains the honor system - they honestly believe they can dominate us in whatever way they want as long as they tell us what they're doing in SOME way - it explains everything really.

Beautifully spoken.

[jamesk]

I think the fellow is quite right, and the vast majority of people would entirely agree with him - that there is no CREDIBLE evidence for the lizards ruling the world theory. If you believe otherwise, then by all means present it here - Ariziona Wilder's nonsence does not count as credible evidence.

This is why I and others keep saying that David should drop this lizards/reptilians business as it makes the entire "truth" movement sound like a bunch of loonies - easily descredited in half a page by a blogger who can't even spell!

Ask 100 people on the street if they believe that the Queen and the Royals turn into 9 foot lizards that eat babies alive - how many do you think will believe this? Zero i'd imagine.

Ask the 100 people if they think that 911 was an inside job, how many would agree? I'd magine the majority would say yes.

[lordzoma]

Except for the fact that if 100 people are asked if the queen is reptilian, and they all answer no, that's 100 people completely incorrect and living in a fantasy world.

Just because you people think it's incredible, doesn't mean it's not true.

But for most of you, no amount of horn blowing, or research diving is going to convince you of anything. Most people need to see things for themselves. That's not the problem of the truth movement, and it's certainly not my problem. It's your problem. It's your path of spiritual progression.

Just because you're not aware enough to see what's happening right in front of your eyes, does not mean it isn't happening.

Because it is.

And I'm deadly serious.

[size_of_light]

I think the fellow is quite right, and the vast majority of people would entirely agree with him - that there is no CREDIBLE evidence for the lizards ruling the world theory. If you believe otherwise, then by all means present it here - Ariziona Wilder's nonsence does not count as credible evidence.

This is why I and others keep saying that David should drop this lizards/reptilians business as it makes the entire "truth" movement sound like a bunch of loonies - easily descredited in half a page by a blogger who can't even spell!

Ask 100 people on the street if they believe that the Queen and the Royals turn into 9 foot lizards that eat babies alive - how many do you think will believe this? Zero i'd imagine.

Ask the 100 people if they think that 911 was an inside job, how many would agree? I'd magine the majority would say yes.

I'm not sure why people keep equating research with 'selling a message', as though Icke is a politician who has to modify and compromise his views in order to appeal to the largest possible audience.

Do you betray your convictions to gain approval and make friends?

[sebastian]

Not my opinion, I'm open minded to it.

The below is an article by someone who is against David Icke's theory on it.

http://current-search-trends.blogspot.com/2008/08/david-icke-and-his-lizards-reptilian.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgPHUjbAl4I

http://www.rufon.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2099.0;attach=9867 ;image

[lordzoma]

I'm not sure why people keep equating research with 'selling a message', as though Icke is a politician who has to modify and compromise his views in order to appeal to the largest possible audience.

Do you betray your convictions to gain approval and make friends?

Precisely. Genius.

[duckingdafta]

There is no evidence for reptilians
None for god either...doesn't stop people believing the myth.

[lordzoma]

Yes ducking. Believing. It's clear you understand.

[element]

None for god either...doesn't stop people believing the myth.

For the lack of the better you say it does not exist.

All sceptics need to do is go within and find out what god, god connection is. Looking for material proof for something non-material is silly.

Aswell as reptilians, we don't fucking know if they exist, some may know. I'm open to it and I like the theory.

[lordzoma]

For the lack of the better you say it does not exist.

All sceptics need to do is go within and find out what god, god connection is. Looking for material proof for something non-material is silly.

Aswell as reptilians, we don't fucking know if they exist, some may know. I'm open to it and I like the theory.

Correction: YOU don't know.

I know.

Others know.

Just because YOU need proof does not discount the truth.

Just because someone believes in god, does not make him exist, except as a collection of energy in the astral.

Just because someone disbelieves in reptilians, does not mean they are not in the forms of our leaders, steering humanity for thousands of years.

[element]

Correction: YOU don't know.

Which is true, that's why I said ''some may know''. I should have said ''I'' but my mistake was easily seen there. Look at the whole context.

I know.

Others know.

Good.

Just because YOU need proof does not discount the truth.

I don't need proof or say they don't exist. You didn't understand my word, read it again.

Just because someone believes in god, does not make him exist, except as a collection of energy in the astral.

Collection of energy can be god too. Everyone sees god differently. I see all life as god, as it is all a sparkle of that creative energy. Belief in God does not mean you have to believe in a white bearded man that is angry, sigh. You got issues with the word 'god' because of indoctrination, but you forget the meaning behind it.

Just because someone disbelieves in reptilians, does not mean they are not in the forms of our leaders, steering humanity for thousands of years.

Wasn't even mentioning that.

Really, you misunderstood me.

[kingmonkey]

Correction: YOU don't know.

I know.

Others know.

Just because YOU need proof does not discount the truth.

Just because someone believes in god, does not make him exist, except as a collection of energy in the astral.

Just because someone disbelieves in reptilians, does not mean they are not in the forms of our leaders, steering humanity for thousands of years.

So what makes you so sure they exist?

[lordzoma]

Element. When I go off on the word we, it's just because I don't like when people attach their opinion to the opinion of others. You wouldn't have the need to say 'some may' if you didn't use the word we. It's an extension of opinion, and gets on my nerves. Mistake or whatever.

As for god. Most gods are entities that people give their power away to. If you truly and absolutely believe that all life is your god, you aren't just giving your power away to 1 entity in the astral, but everything altogether.

I am my own god. And if you should ever recognize yourself as your own god, you would be gaining control of your power, rather than giving it away.

King - that's personal, and I don't want to share things too personal with the entire internet, but I can certainly point you to some interesting books. ^_^

[smurf]

http://www.rufon.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2099.0;attach=9867 ;image

I guess I'll ask. What's the story behind that picture?

[hirschfelder]

I'm open to the reptilian idea

Regarding people demanding proof before they believe in the possibility, it's worth noting that these reptilians are supposed to be covertly running the show, if there was proof it wouldn't be a secret, would it?

If I was a reptilian trying to secretly enslave mankind, I wouldn't leave a pile of evidence lying around, would I?

Why do you think robbers wear gloves? To keep their hands warm? No, they do it so that there's no evidence of them commiting the crime.

The problem with relying on proof and evidence is that you allow those who control proof and evidence to dictate your reality to you, as is the case with this blogger and some posters on here. Of course, it's nice to have proof, but sometimes things that can't be proven can still be real

I happen to think Mr Icke presents a good case

[element]

Element. When I go off on the word we, it's just because I don't like when people attach their opinion to the opinion of others. You wouldn't have the need to say 'some may' if you didn't use the word we. It's an extension of opinion, and gets on my nerves. Mistake or whatever.

Control yourself a bit.:)

As for god. Most gods are entities that people give their power away to. If you truly and absolutely believe that all life is your god, you aren't just giving your power away to 1 entity in the astral, but everything altogether.

I am my own god. And if you should ever recognize yourself as your own god, you would be gaining control of your power, rather than giving it away.


I see god in myself, and I see in every thing that lives. For every living thing we know is moved by the spirit sparkle. It has nothing to do with giving power away, because I don't think it such terms. I do not worship or give power away to entities, books, religions etc. You got the wrong thinking.;)

Getting back to the topic, I neither give my power away to negative thinking and doomsday broadcasts about reptilians. ;)

[moonshine]

I guess I'll ask. What's the story behind that picture?

Just bumping his Question...

I want to know more about this picture too, i've done a search and found nothing on google.

[jamesk]

Except for the fact that if 100 people are asked if the queen is reptilian, and they all answer no, that's 100 people completely incorrect and living in a fantasy world.


I think that any one that believes that the Queen turns into a 9 foot reptile/lizard and eats babies alive has lost it, lost touch with consensus reality.


Just because you people think it's incredible, doesn't mean it's not true.
I don't think its incredible, i think its loony, something out of a monty python sketch.



Most people need to see things for themselves

Right! So you're saying that you have personaly seen the Queen shape-shift into a 9 foot lizard? Are you sure it wasn't a pink elephant that she shape-shifted into? What were you on when you saw this (what you call) "incredible" event?

[jamesk]

I'm not sure why people keep equating research with 'selling a message', as though Icke is a politician who has to modify and compromise his views in order to appeal to the largest possible audience.

Do you betray your convictions to gain approval and make friends?

No, i don't betray my convictions for approval. I think that Icke should modify his views not because of public appeal, but when it is pointed out that it is plainly wrong. Icke often puts a forward in his book to say that he will discard everything in the book if that's where the information takes him - so he should, in my view, apply this to himself, admit that he was misled and drop the lizards stuff.

[size_of_light]

No, i don't betray my convictions for approval. I think that Icke should modify his views not because of public appeal, but when it is pointed out that it is plainly wrong. Icke often puts a forward in his book to say that he will discard everything in the book if that's where the information takes him - so he should, in my view, apply this to himself, admit that he was misled and drop the lizards stuff.

You don't seem to have anything rational to add. Your only argument is that you think Icke is wrong and that he should admit it and move on. I don't think he agrees with you that reptilians don't exist, so unfortunately, you might have to convince him yourself. And put a bit more effort into it with him, than you have with me.

People who are aware of the NWO or Illuminati manipulation of the world (or whatever you want to call it), but reject the possible reptilian dimension of it never mount a rational argument for why they reject it.

The reason is: you can't. It's impossible to prove that these beings don't exist. Unfortunately, for you, if you're strongly convinced that they don't, that's gotta be frustrating.

So why not just accept the futility of disproving their existence, accept that Icke believes that they do, and accept that there is a variety of views and 'movements' opposed to the NWO that may not necessarily agree on all the details, but share enough common ground to co-exist without any party having to dilute or compromise their stances?

Don't worry so much about 'what the neighbours think.'

[karol2020]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgPHUjbAl4I

http://www.rufon.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2099.0;attach=9867 ;image

I wanna know too... What´s the story behind this picture? It´s really true, or just a photoshop? because, you know, with photoshop is so easy to do this that is hard to believe it´s true......

[malkor]

I'm not sure why people keep equating research with 'selling a message', as though Icke is a politician who has to modify and compromise his views in order to appeal to the largest possible audience.

Do you betray your convictions to gain approval and make friends?

Having convictions is a betrayal of personal evolution. One needs to be open to change when the argument made is not very convincing.

[malkor]

Correction: YOU don't know.

I know.

Others know.

Just because YOU need proof does not discount the truth.

Just because someone believes in god, does not make him exist, except as a collection of energy in the astral.

Just because someone disbelieves in reptilians, does not mean they are not in the forms of our leaders, steering humanity for thousands of years.

Using the same logic here:

Just because you believe in reptilians, does not make them exist.


The burden of proof lies with the one making extraordinary claims.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[size_of_light]

Having convictions is a betrayal of personal evolution. One needs to be open to change when the argument made is not very convincing.

Those sound like convictions.

We're both in danger of disappearing up our own asses if we keep this argument going.

[malkor]

Except for the fact that if 100 people are asked if the queen is reptilian, and they all answer no, that's 100 people completely incorrect and living in a fantasy world.


Not entirely. That would be 100 people who are not convinced of what you have to say. Perhaps some one is living in a fantasy world, we're not sure who.


Just because you people think it's incredible, doesn't mean it's not true.

But for most of you, no amount of horn blowing, or research diving is going to convince you of anything. Most people need to see things for themselves. That's not the problem of the truth movement, and it's certainly not my problem. It's your problem. It's your path of spiritual progression.

Just because you're not aware enough to see what's happening right in front of your eyes, does not mean it isn't happening.

Because it is.

And I'm deadly serious.

Icke has collected very convincing evidence of competing groups of elite working behind the scenes attempting to dominate the world and each other. However, when he brings in the lizard theory, suddenly many holes begin to appear in his story and that works to discredit all the other very useful evidence he has collected.

[malkor]

Those sound like convictions.

We're both in danger of disappearing up our own asses if we keep this argument going.

That's a stretch of the argument.

[smurf]

The way I see it is this:
Are we alone in the universe? Of course not.
We don't know for sure how many species of aliens there are out there. When you think about that; the idea of one of those species messing with us doesn't seem so improbable.

[size_of_light]

Using the same logic here:
Just because you believe in reptilians, does not make them exist.
The burden of proof lies with the one making extraordinary claims.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

There's no burden of proof here, because there's no requirement to prove anything. We're not in a court of law. In reference to Icke, it's merely information he's presenting. Agree, disagree, or keep an open mind.

Why do you have such a hard time accepting that he disagrees with you on this question? Is he really that important to you that you fret over it, and want to change his opinion on the issue to match yours? He's just a fella.

Icke has collected very convincing evidence of competing groups of elite working behind the scenes attempting to dominate the world and each other. However, when he brings in the lizard theory, suddenly many holes begin to appear in his story and that works to discredit all the other very useful evidence he has collected.

Take what you find useful and leave the rest. Let it go, man. You sound like a jealous girlfriend who can't get over the fact that your boyfriend cheated on you once in the past, who goes on nagging at him to promise he'll never look at another chick again.

[biblegirl]

I wanna know too... What´s the story behind this picture? It´s really true, or just a photoshop? because, you know, with photoshop is so easy to do this that is hard to believe it´s true......


what the...?

[malkor]

There's no burden of proof here, because there's no requirement to prove anything. We're not in a court of law. In reference to Icke, it's merely information he's presenting. Agree, disagree, or keep an open mind.

Why do you have such a hard time accepting that he disagrees with you on this question? Is he really that important to you that you fret over it, and want to change his opinion on the issue to match yours? He's just a fella.



Take what you find useful and leave the rest. Let it go, man. You sound like a jealous girlfriend who can't get over the fact that your boyfriend cheated on you once in the past, who goes on nagging at him to promise he'll never look at another chick again.

If case you hadn't noticed, this thread is titled "There is no evidence for reptilians" concerning a blog someone wrote and we are discussing the reasoning of this author and the validity of his logic.

If you cannot handle such a discussion, you are welcome to remain silent.

[tim the enchanter]

Not my opinion, I'm open minded to it.

The below is an article by someone who is against David Icke's theory on it.

http://current-search-trends.blogspot.com/2008/08/david-icke-and-his-lizards-reptilian.html

Definitave proof, do you mean? Because as for evidence, come on, there's laods.You just have to be brave enough to sit down and do the homework. Have you seen my Authors Thread? It's stickied in the Reptilians sub-forum. Or what about Adramelech's numerous posts on the issue?

If by evidence you mean the endless sharade of youtube videos purporting to show shapeshifting, no, those are bullshit hysteria. As for anecdotale claims of seeing people shapeshift, well, I won't pass judgement, but if you think it all boils down to shapeshifting Queen Mothers out of the Twilight Zone, sorry, you just haven't been fortunate to have seen all the other vast material on this subject and related ones, like UFOs. Or you've intentionaly ignored it for whatever reason.

:cool:

[bill23]

by claiming they live outside of the 5 senses icke makes them impossible to prove or discredit. i think if you cannot prove it then it should be treated as an idea not a fact.

[lordzoma]

by claiming they live outside of the 5 senses icke makes them impossible to prove or discredit. i think if you cannot prove it then it should be treated as an idea not a fact.

And yet they are still a fact. Not all of them live outside of the 5 senses.

[size_of_light]

by claiming they live outside of the 5 senses icke makes them impossible to prove or discredit. i think if you cannot prove it then it should be treated as an idea not a fact.

Yeah it is impossible to disprove, but it's not impossible to prove, certainly to yourself, because if you saw one with your own eyes, that would be good enough evidence for most people, just like with anything else.

If you've never seen one (like most of us) and have to rely on second hand information, take into account (to name a few sources) all the ancient literature that describes interactions with intelligent non-human beings, including reptilians, in a very literal, matter-of-fact style, add a dash of theoretical physics to the mix to make it scientifically plausible, and delve into the vast body of eyewitness accounts of encounters with non-human entities stretching back from the present time to the dawn of recorded history, and which of the following conclusions do you draw:

a. You don't know if they exist but consider it possible
b. You don't know if they exist but consider it impossible

One of the above conclusions seems more rational than the other, doesn't it?

It's the people who have no other defense than to label the concept 'loony' and 'ridiculous' and insist that Icke and everybody else should refute the possibility altogether who are responding irrationally (conclusion b) to limited information.

[quetzalcoatl]

Doesn’t eye-witness accounts stand for anything anymore?…Are we all that un-reliable in recollection of events? i.e. - Credible (or other-wise) witness/witness’s can sway juries & is accepted as a form of convicting ‘evidence‘. Yet as soon as it leaves the paradigms of accepted reality, suddenly, 100's of testimonies are passed as quackery.

I appreciate people in this field are far more skeptical & careful when considering all availably ’evidence’, especially accounts & testimonies.. Also, if two or more witness the same thing (& there’s no L.S.D involved) doesn’t that count for anything?

Eye-witness accounts is only a fraction of ‘evidence’ that should be carefully scrutinized - taking everything into consideration; gothic gargoyles, architecture, ancient lore, antique literature, mythology, holy scriptures, shamanic experiences etc etc.. everything must be considered!

I think the joke is on them whom say “that’s ridiculously absurd! ‘lizards rule the world’ Ahhahahaha!”. I would even go as far as to say that there’s a deep psychological/sub-conscious reason why this VERY SERIOUS material is initially meet with laughter.

[size_of_light]

Doesn’t eye-witness accounts stand for anything anymore?…Are we all that un-reliable in recollection of events? i.e. - Credible (or other-wise) witness/witness’s can sway juries & is accepted as a form of convicting ‘evidence‘. Yet as soon as it leaves the paradigms of accepted reality, suddenly, 100's of testimonies are passed as quackery.

I appreciate people in this field are far more skeptical & careful when considering all availably ’evidence’, especially accounts & testimonies.. Also, if two or more witness the same thing (& there’s no L.S.D involved) doesn’t that count for anything?

Eye-witness accounts is only a fraction of ‘evidence’ that should be carefully scrutinized - taking everything into consideration; gothic gargoyles, architecture, ancient lore, antique literature, mythology, holy scriptures, shamanic experiences etc etc.. everything must be considered!

I think the joke is on them whom say “that’s ridiculously absurd! ‘lizards rule the world’ Ahhahahaha!”. I would even go as far as to say that there’s a deep psychological/sub-conscious reason why this VERY SERIOUS material is initially meet with laughter.

I wish you'd posted that ten minutes earlier - would have saved my fucking fingers the grief! :p

[quetzalcoatl]

I wish you'd posted that ten minutes earlier - would have saved my fucking fingers the grief! :p

Well I didn't so too bad..

I read the first page & the blog linked.. & now I commence reading the entire thread.

Wish away! :D

[lordzoma]

Yeah it is impossible to disprove, but it's not impossible to prove, certainly to yourself, because if you saw one with your own eyes, that would be good enough evidence for most people, just like with anything else.

If you've never seen one (like most of us) and have to rely on second hand information, take into account (to name a few sources) all the ancient literature that describes interactions with intelligent non-human beings, including reptilians, in a very literal, matter-of-fact style, add a dash of theoretical physics to the mix to make it scientifically plausible, and delve into the vast body of eyewitness accounts of encounters with non-human entities stretching back from the present time to the dawn of recorded history, and which of the following conclusions do you draw:

a. You don't know if they exist but consider it possible
b. You don't know if they exist but consider it impossible

One of the above conclusions seems more rational than the other, doesn't it?

It's the people who have no other defense than to label the concept 'loony' and 'ridiculous' and insist that Icke and everybody else should refute the possibility altogether who are responding irrationally (conclusion b) to limited information.

What you wrote wasn't grief. It's pertinent and a very sound argument. In fact, that post more than any other I've seen you post impressed me and gave me insight into your meticulous and logical approach to things. You should be proud of your sound and sharp mind.

In response to quez - YES! Eye witnesses accounts count for less and less in a day and age where people need a slew of photographical and video evidence in order to support claims. Hundreds of years ago, if someone claimed they saw someone else fly on a broomstick, then they were a witch and could be burned at the stake. Today - talk about something you've seen that falls outside the paradigm, and back it up with information, books, and references, and you are still either a quack or just ignored altogether.

In terms of this material, I fall under the category of people who have seen with my own eyes, and are convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt. My research along these lines followed up after I had been shaken to the core, and I have proceeded, thanks to Icke and others, to gain an understanding of that which before was just a symbol of fear for me in an uncertain world.

This material helps us gain insights into the world around us, which is far different than most people care to accept, and that allows us to gain mastery over ourselves. By understanding and by seeking out knowledge in all of its forms, we better ourselves, both intellectually and spiritually. It is not a burden to share this information, and a burden of proof should never be placed upon those who are interested. Any who wish to study the way of things for themselves is welcome to do so, and will in their own time if they are prepared for the journey. In any event, no amount of mockery or disbelief will ever change my opinions and beliefs, which are firmly grounded in personal experience.

Edit: Niiiice Quez. As of this moment, 420 posts. ^_^

[keenly]

Icke is temporal coadjutor

[tim the enchanter]

by claiming they live outside of the 5 senses icke makes them impossible to prove or discredit. i think if you cannot prove it then it should be treated as an idea not a fact.

Ahem, what the fuck about my post?

[malkor]

Doesn’t eye-witness accounts stand for anything anymore?


It counts for no more than the credibility of the witness. There were also many eye witnesses who saw a plane crash into the Pentagon, yet there was no wreckage of a plane to be found anywhere near the Pentagon.

Eye-witness accounts need to be backed up by at least some form of evidence that can be cross examined to add more credibility. If you say "someone beat the crap outta me," I wanna see that crap, where it landed and what shape it was. That would be good enough at least for me to go in pursuit of the person you claim beat that crap out and cross examine him and get his story.



…Are we all that un-reliable in recollection of events? i.e. - Credible (or other-wise) witness/witness’s can sway juries & is accepted as a form of convicting ‘evidence‘. Yet as soon as it leaves the paradigms of accepted reality, suddenly, 100's of testimonies are passed as quackery.


Eye witness accounts alone don't have that much power. It comes down to one person's word against another. If we can get several eye witness accounts of the same event, we are one step closer to the truth, but not yet since those witnesses will usually give slightly different accounts. In some cases, we even need to verify the witness accounts and perhaps cross examine the witnesses.

However, all of that is moot without a suspect in custody to question.



I appreciate people in this field are far more skeptical & careful when considering all availably ’evidence’, especially accounts & testimonies.. Also, if two or more witness the same thing (& there’s no L.S.D involved) doesn’t that count for anything?

It counts for something. It's something to go on, but now enough to pass judgment.


Eye-witness accounts is only a fraction of ‘evidence’ that should be carefully scrutinized - taking everything into consideration; gothic gargoyles, architecture, ancient lore, antique literature, mythology, holy scriptures, shamanic experiences etc etc.. everything must be considered!

Yes, mythology and scripture also gives us dog-men, lions, horned horses, people floating on clouds, and a whole slew of other things to go along with lizards.



I think the joke is on them whom say “that’s ridiculously absurd! ‘lizards rule the world’ Ahhahahaha!”. I would even go as far as to say that there’s a deep psychological/sub-conscious reason why this VERY SERIOUS material is initially meet with laughter.


I've seen enough circumstantial evidence to know that something is going on but I'm not sure exactly what that is since there are too many variations in the stories; ie: some accounts say the lizards are the good guys, some say they are bad. Personally, the only lizard's I've ever met have been quiet pleasant. It's humans that give me creeps sometimes.

[size_of_light]

I've seen enough circumstantial evidence to know that something is going on but I'm not sure exactly what that is since there are too many variations in the stories; ie: some accounts say the lizards are the good guys, some say they are bad. Personally, the only lizard's I've ever met have been quiet pleasant. It's humans that give me creeps sometimes.

I agree.

[tim the enchanter]

You've actualy met a "lizard" malkor, or where you just being a slightly facetious? ;)

[lordzoma]

You've actualy met a "lizard" malkor, or where you just being a slightly facetious? ;)

I've seen with my two eyes, and I know the truth. That's partially the reason why I don't give two flying fucks about what anyone else thinks, and why I'll mock anyone too afraid to face the truth. Hey, do what you want and look at the world however you want to. You are where you are because that's where you need to be. Trust in yourself.

[gordonfreeman]

Agreed!

[malkor]

You've actualy met a "lizard" malkor, or where you just being a slightly facetious? ;)

A bit of humor to lighten things up a bit. In my defense, I did say "lizards" not "lizard-men" :)

[malkor]

I've seen with my two eyes, and I know the truth. That's partially the reason why I don't give two flying fucks about what anyone else thinks, and why I'll mock anyone too afraid to face the truth. Hey, do what you want and look at the world however you want to. You are where you are because that's where you need to be. Trust in yourself.

Mocking isn't the way to go if you want to gain credibility. As an confessed witness, would you mind telling your story (or linking to where you have already told it) and perhaps answering a few questions of a personal nature as well as questions pertaining to your account?

[sebastian]

so easy to disregard the enormity of evidence at hand ....

[loderlive]

This is why I and others keep saying that David should drop this lizards/reptilians business as it makes the entire "truth" movement sound like a bunch of loonies

This is why I and others keep saying that jamesk should drop his profile picture as it makes the entire "forum" movement look like a bunch of loonies.

[tim the enchanter]

This is why I and others keep saying that jamesk should drop his profile picture as it makes the entire "forum" movement look like a bunch of loonies.

What do you mean? Jamesk's avatar is just a photo of himselg.

[bill23]

so easy to disregard the enormity of evidence at hand ....

evidence my arse.

[sebastian]

evidence my arse.

Just because you did not take the time to research does not mean it's not there. You would be surprized what you might find once you start digging ...