The art of 'debunking' why do they do it?

[purple is a fruit]

Debunking is something that everyone here I am sure would be familiar with

There are many people who seem to make this a career.
I have always found this rather interesting.......if someone is so passionate about debunking a topic, why do they operate the way they do? When it is fairly widely known and obvious that in fact 'what we resist will persist.'
So spending all of ones passion and energy on debunking topics which do not sit well with them seems rather pointless from my point of view, I feel that if these people put all their energy into the things that resonate with them as right,what ever that may be for them, it would deem more productive to the outcome that they wish to see.
Or to re phrase, what do these people wish to see? well maybe they should do that instead? Rather a counter productive way to operate I feel is to work against that which you do not like......one just creates more of it......
Maybe this is what debunkers want? more to debunk?

There are of course those who really have no firm feeling in any direction at all and these people make the good, 'paid stooges' who receive a pay packet from doing this as a living. This has been covered in a few other places recently. I am interested in hearing the thoughts of others on this topic.
What do you think drives the debunker?


The art to debunking
http://www.mendhak.com/thoughts/show.php?id=81

[edelweiss pirate]

You're making it all more complicated than it really is.

It's because they are masons and they are ordered to do it.

I've been to many conspiracy meetings in many countries in the world and the common thread is that there are always a few sneaky young men and women who are given instructions to either report passively on what is said or to actively disrupt proceedings...

It's simple. They're mason scumbags... normal people wouldn't take the time and trouble to debunk anything, they'd probably believe it..

Notice how debunkers NEVER seem to moderate their viewpoint or even listen to reason. It's because they are not allowed. Their brief is simple, defend the lie. There are thousands of them out there. I recently discovered that some of my friends were in this club. They didn't stay my friends for long after that.

[albie]

Oh my god. DELUUUUDED or what.

does that make you feel important?

[thirdwave]

Oh my god. DELUUUUDED or what.

does that make you feel important?

Albie, just an honest question, you clearly do not like David Icke, and this was made clear on the other forum...

I am interested to hear you motivation on coming over here, creating an ID account and posting here today?

[mickyjay]

You're making it all more complicated than it really is.

It's because they are masons and they are ordered to do it.

I've been to many conspiracy meetings in many countries in the world and the common thread is that there are always a few sneaky young men and women who are given instructions to either report passively on what is said or to actively disrupt proceedings...

It's simple. They're mason scumbags... normal people wouldn't take the time and trouble to debunk anything, they'd probably believe it..

Notice how debunkers NEVER seem to moderate their viewpoint or even listen to reason. It's because they are not allowed. Their brief is simple, defend the lie. There are thousands of them out there. I recently discovered that some of my friends were in this club. They didn't stay my friends for long after that.

I think you may be being a little paranoid here. I do hope you never really got rid of your friends because you believed them to be masons, if so I would strongly suggest you take some time away from conspiracy theories.

[edelweiss pirate]

SO now Mickey Jay you know my life better than I do....

On the basis of a few lines of information you have concluded that you know more about my life than I do and that I am deluded in some way.

I guess it hasn't happened to you so it hasn't happened to me right?

Guess what MJ, the things you just read about actually happen to some people... I could take you through the whole masonic recruitment process but I want to go home and have tea and biscuits now.

[misscpb]

Debunking is something that everyone here I am sure would be familiar with

There are many people who seem to make this a career.
I have always found this rather interesting.......if someone is so passionate about debunking a topic, why do they operate the way they do? When it is fairly widely known and obvious that in fact 'what we resist will persist.'
So spending all of ones passion and energy on debunking topics which do not sit well with them seems rather pointless from my point of view, I feel that if these people put all their energy into the things that resonate with them as right,what ever that may be for them, it would deem more productive to the outcome that they wish to see.
Or to re phrase, what do these people wish to see? well maybe they should do that instead? Rather a counter productive way to operate I feel is to work against that which you do not like......one just creates more of it......
Maybe this is what debunkers want? more to debunk?

There are of course those who really have no firm feeling in any direction at all and these people make the good, 'paid stooges' who receive a pay packet from doing this as a living. This has been covered in a few other places recently. I am interested in hearing the thoughts of others on this topic.
What do you think drives the debunker?


The art to debunking
http://www.mendhak.com/thoughts/show.php?id=81

Hi There

Possibly giving that person or establishment a feeling of control and having the upperhand right through to even boosting their personal self esteem through doing they do or want to portray to other people.

[edelweiss pirate]

No, it's because they're web masons... is it so hard to believe that a group that has repressed information for two thousand years would continue its work on the internet....

Over at the original Icke forum www.davidickeforum.com I exposed three such troll and disinfo merchants as masons (Marco, SoF and Albie).... one of whom (Albie) has now come over here... be on your guard against these creeps.. there may be more lurking. They initially start by debunking and denying, often posting random insults and attacking those who post compromising info about their criminal organisations.. when exposed they change their tack and become more 'reasonable'.. they insult people less but still persist in discrediting people and denying what is clearly the truth...

It is pointless to discuss with these people as they cannot afford to moderate their pov as it is not in their brief.. they also know they are living a lie but are often too far gone to do anything about it.. Best thing is to ban them, otherwise they drive away sincere posters with personal attacks and mocking incredulity.. Imagine being a victim of satanic abuse only to find your attacker in your living room! These guys fulfil that very role, ensuring that anyone who could report them would be too scared to face those they accuse in the same forum..

Seriously, I urge you to support the banning of exposed masons.

[societyisthematrix]

You're making it all more complicated than it really is.

It's because they are masons and they are ordered to do it.

I've been to many conspiracy meetings in many countries in the world and the common thread is that there are always a few sneaky young men and women who are given instructions to either report passively on what is said or to actively disrupt proceedings...

It's simple. They're mason scumbags... normal people wouldn't take the time and trouble to debunk anything, they'd probably believe it..

Notice how debunkers NEVER seem to moderate their viewpoint or even listen to reason. It's because they are not allowed. Their brief is simple, defend the lie. There are thousands of them out there. I recently discovered that some of my friends were in this club. They didn't stay my friends for long after that.

Thank you for your information. My question is always, what are these people getting out of this? If it's not money, what is it? :confused:

[purple is a fruit]

I am 100% with you on that and this forum is swarming with them. I am not totally sure they are ALL masons, the intel world is a crazy one but to me they are all of the same cookie cutter.

Thanks for your honest and straight down the line postings.
I started this thread for a reason, I hope others will have thoughts on this too
Its the more naive new ones i worry for, it would be a shame to lose them when they will have much to learn and contribute. We cannot allow these types to do what they are attempting to do to this forum, watch out for them, they hijack threads, insult anyone and everyone....it is their job, remember that.
After I post this the natural responses from these people(very predictable) will be that im paranoid, blah blah blah, as I posted in an earlier thread they are transparent, and they should be totally ignored when they pop their heads up out of the dungeon to spill their filth.

Purple




Purple

[purple is a fruit]

Thank you for your information. My question is always, what are these people getting out of this? If it's not money, what is it? :confused:
A sick twisted thrill perhaps
Their personality types are perfectly matched with the work.

[edelweiss pirate]

The masons? Have you ever heard the story of the monkey's paw?

This old magic relic gives the receiver three wishes.. the wishes are fulfilled but with an enormous price to pay...

If you could have your wishes fulfilled what would they be?... A beautiful wife, ok we can arange that (downside, she will spy on you for the rest of your life and probably sleep with other agents as part of her espionage work: you will never quite know where you are with her... her first loyalty will be to the brotherhood, not you...)

Second... You want to be a famous writer or actor... We can arrange that (only you will write what we tell you and act in movie we consider suitable to our aims of which you will be told nothing... you may eventually realise that your acting skills have been used to further the cause of the moral degredation of the world...too bad, you sold your conscience to us remember?)

What else? Power? Magic power and the meaning of life.... Ahh, now we can certainly help you there but it will take time and the only way we can really show you the meaning of life is to unplug you from the matrix.... Be warned, you may spend the rest of your life on medication as a result of what you will see? Still with us? Ok, good. No doubt after what you have seen you will realise that the world we have created is a trap for the soul and the organsiation you have joined is a trap for those who might have escaped the material world eventually.... too bad so what do you do now? Talk... not if you want you and your family to survive, those oaths you made to yourself are too strong to be broken... Turn to Jesus. Ha! We ensured that you rejected him! So what do you do now... simple... keep doing your work until we decide to release you from this hell you've discovered...

[societyisthematrix]

Here's something everyone here should enjoy and found useful:

The Woo Woo credo. It's funny, this list looks like a joke to normal people but the goons we're talking about actually seem to follow it like a script! I found this description of the net while I was looking for the credo: "That Woo-Woo Credo is surely one of the most useful tools for detecting wackos I've ever seen. It REALLY, efficiently smokes them out!" I say that's right on! :p

http://www.insolitology.com/tests/credo.htm

[janeway]

I think, well at least for me, it is all explained in The Protocols of Zion.
A script how to keep the "goyim" busy, so they won't think for themselves.
DIVE AND RULE!
Why?
Once your are interested in the world which doesn't seem to be right; you come to information that can make you feel fatalistic. You go through a misty cloud and a lot of people keep on hanging in that cloud of grey, misty, no horizon, useless discussions; they become depressed.
But the goal is to go through it and than the sun shines, revelation, infinite love, we are not mere (only) humans, we are gods, we have all the potential and power in ourselves.
We don't need wapons, we just create a new reality with our open mind filled (fueled) with infinite love.
It sounds so easy, but this is the big challenge, we (perhaps) choose to be in.
I sure like challenges;)

[purple is a fruit]

Here's something everyone here should enjoy and found useful:

The Woo Woo credo. It's funny, this list looks like a joke to normal people but the goons we're talking about actually seem to follow it like a script! I found this description of the net while I was looking for the credo: "That Woo-Woo Credo is surely one of the most useful tools for detecting wackos I've ever seen. It REALLY, efficiently smokes them out!" I say that's right on! :p

http://www.insolitology.com/tests/credo.htm

yes i was having issue with one earlier in another thread, this person was very poorly using these methods

[societyisthematrix]

The masons? Have you ever heard the story of the monkey's paw?

This old magic relic gives the receiver three wishes.. the wishes are fulfilled but with an enormous price to pay...

If you could have your wishes fulfilled what would they be?... A beautiful wife, ok we can arange that (downside, she will spy on you for the rest of your life and probably sleep with other agents as part of her espionage work: you will never quite know where you are with her... her first loyalty will be to the brotherhood, not you...)

Second... You want to be a famous writer or actor... We can arrange that (only you will write what we tell you and act in movie we consider suitable to our aims of which you will be told nothing... you may eventually realise that your acting skills have been used to further the cause of the moral degredation of the world...too bad, you sold your conscience to us remember?)

What else? Power? Magic power and the meaning of life.... Ahh, now we can certainly help you there but it will take time and the only way we can really show you the meaning of life is to unplug you from the matrix.... Be warned, you may spend the rest of your life on medication as a result of what you will see? Still with us? Ok, good. No doubt after what you have seen you will realise that the world we have created is a trap for the soul and the organsiation you have joined is a trap for those who might have escaped the material world eventually.... too bad so what do you do now? Talk... not if you want you and your family to survive, those oaths you made to yourself are too strong to be broken... Turn to Jesus. Ha! We ensured that you rejected him! So what do you do now... simple... keep doing your work until we decide to release you from this hell you've discovered...

That was brilliant, thanks. These goons must be bottom feeders to be assigned to spending their lives posting on message boards. What a joke. http://clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-018.gif

[edelweiss pirate]

That's a pretty evil organisation 'Insolitology'... They are probably an offshoot from Psycop... the organisation that seeks to discredit anything paranormal...

Funny how when they slag Icke off they don't mention any of the provable factual things about his research like The Diana assassination, 9-11 or Masons... Even Channel 5 had a show 'Was David Icke Right?' those clowns are getting left behind...

http://www.insolitology.com/paranormal/davidicke.htm

[freespark]

No, it's because they're web masons... is it so hard to believe that a group that has repressed information for two thousand years would continue its work on the internet....

Over at the original Icke forum www.davidickeforum.com I exposed three such troll and disinfo merchants as masons (Marco, SoF and Albie).... one of whom (Albie) has now come over here... be on your guard against these creeps.. there may be more lurking. They initially start by debunking and denying, often posting random insults and attacking those who post compromising info about their criminal organisations.. when exposed they change their tack and become more 'reasonable'.. they insult people less but still persist in discrediting people and denying what is clearly the truth...

It is pointless to discuss with these people as they cannot afford to moderate their pov as it is not in their brief.. they also know they are living a lie but are often too far gone to do anything about it.. Best thing is to ban them, otherwise they drive away sincere posters with personal attacks and mocking incredulity.. Imagine being a victim of satanic abuse only to find your attacker in your living room! These guys fulfil that very role, ensuring that anyone who could report them would be too scared to face those they accuse in the same forum..

Seriously, I urge you to support the banning of exposed masons.

Forums are ground zero for these people. It's easy to disrupt threads and the flow of information and cause general disruption and arguments which go way off topic. It muddies the waters and the behaviour is designed for maximum effect and in most cases completely blatant. They try to Keep our eye 'off' the ball and keep us restless and fighting amongst ourselves. A read through of a few threads on the 'forum' and its plain to see them or thier 'agenda' hard at work.

They will say it's just for thier 'amusement' or some such nonsense...but it's clear to see whats going on. The moment the official David Icke forum was created the 'virus' migrated over here to carry on the 'attack'. And it continues.

The brief...Attack the people who's minds are more open to this information (and hence a clear threat) the most, a forum such as this is the perfect place to find open and enquiring minds. It wouldn't surprise me if MI5/6 and other intel organisations are VERY HARD AT WORK in all of these kind of forums. Not just one or two here and there...i'm talking proper 'ops' and wat not.

Paranoia....nah. It's just the way i think it is. Look at the clinical disruption that has gone on and i think you will see what i mean. Infighting, arguments, bannings, whining, moaning more aguments and rubbish about 'freedom'. Undermining anything and everything no matter how just do it. MAXIMUM DISRUPTION TO DAVID ICKES FORUM. MAKE HIM LOOK BAD AND HENCE UNTRUSTWORTHY.

Doing a reasonable job eh?

[societyisthematrix]

That's a pretty evil organisation 'Insolitology'... They are probably an offshoot from Psycop... the organisation that seeks to discredit anything paranormal...

Funny how when they slag Icke off they don't mention any of the provable factual things about his research like The Diana assassination, 9-11 or Masons... Even Channel 5 had a show 'Was David Icke Right?' those clowns are getting left behind...

http://www.insolitology.com/paranormal/davidicke.htm

I'm sorry, I've never heard of that organization, I just posted the first link to the woo woo credo I could find on google.

[freespark]

The masons? Have you ever heard the story of the monkey's paw?

This old magic relic gives the receiver three wishes.. the wishes are fulfilled but with an enormous price to pay...

If you could have your wishes fulfilled what would they be?... A beautiful wife, ok we can arange that (downside, she will spy on you for the rest of your life and probably sleep with other agents as part of her espionage work: you will never quite know where you are with her... her first loyalty will be to the brotherhood, not you...)

Second... You want to be a famous writer or actor... We can arrange that (only you will write what we tell you and act in movie we consider suitable to our aims of which you will be told nothing... you may eventually realise that your acting skills have been used to further the cause of the moral degredation of the world...too bad, you sold your conscience to us remember?)

What else? Power? Magic power and the meaning of life.... Ahh, now we can certainly help you there but it will take time and the only way we can really show you the meaning of life is to unplug you from the matrix.... Be warned, you may spend the rest of your life on medication as a result of what you will see? Still with us? Ok, good. No doubt after what you have seen you will realise that the world we have created is a trap for the soul and the organsiation you have joined is a trap for those who might have escaped the material world eventually.... too bad so what do you do now? Talk... not if you want you and your family to survive, those oaths you made to yourself are too strong to be broken... Turn to Jesus. Ha! We ensured that you rejected him! So what do you do now... simple... keep doing your work until we decide to release you from this hell you've discovered...

Good post. Most of these people are trapped by 'activities' they have participated in and had 'evidence' held againsed them lest they open thier big mouths. This is how even the good one's who want to get out stay bad.

;)

[societyisthematrix]

I was discussing this topic with limelady recently and she posted this interesting information which seems to be at odds with the "web masons" theory:

First she said that the goons we're dealing with are military/intelligence agency employees. She also said:

They get psyche tested and hand picked for the work. Just because they work for an intelligence agency doesn't mean they are intelligent. In every profession there are those who are unlikely to make it up the ladder to things more worthwhile. If they appear to enjoy their work, its likely because there personality is well suited to the work....or they have been programmed for the task.

This movie is worth checking out for more info on this topic:

My God, I just recently watched this movie called D.E.B.S. (that's de - bees, the bees, the elite are laughing at you, assholes!) and it described exactly what you're talking about!

Plot synopsis: Recruited by the U.S. government for their unique abilities to lie, cheat and fight, as well as exceptional SAT scores--four plaid-skirted high school girls are drafted to be secret agents. They soon become highly trained, fabulously dressed, top-secret agents, known as D.E.B.S....

I'm sure that the real assholes don't look like this though:

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/screen_gems/d_e_b_s_/debs_bigposter.jpg

Anyways, here's more info about the movie, it's pretty enlightening:
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808471145/info

One of the interesting details of this movie was that the bosses of these girls just appear and disappear into thin air when they have to talk and when they're done talking. It's not clear whether it's like the thing in star trek "beam me up scotty" or if the bosses are actually HOLOGRAMS because it's never discussed how these "people" just appear and disappear seemingly at will and no one blinks an eye (like it's totally normal)! Consider how Icke says that a lot of the people at the upper levels of government are actual holograms, I've never seen that in a non-fantasy movie before... That's just one of the interesting details in this movie.

[purple is a fruit]

Just because they work for an intelligence agency doesn't mean they are intelligent. In every profession there are those who are unlikely to make it up the ladder to things more worthwhile. If they appear to enjoy their work, its likely because there personality is well suited to the work....or they have been programmed for the task.

AINT THAT THE TRUTH!!!

[freespark]

yes i was having issue with one earlier in another thread, this person was very poorly using these methods

Link please purple...:)

[edelweiss pirate]

I was discussing this topic with limelady recently and she posted this interesting information which seems to be at odds with the "web masons" theory:

First she said that the goons we're dealing with are military/intelligence agency employees. She also said:

They get psyche tested and hand picked for the work. Just because they work for an intelligence agency doesn't mean they are intelligent. In every profession there are those who are unlikely to make it up the ladder to things more worthwhile. If they appear to enjoy their work, its likely because there personality is well suited to the work....or they have been programmed for the task.

This movie is worth checking out for more info on this topic:

My God, I just recently watched this movie called D.E.B.S. (that's de - bees, the bees, the elite are laughing at you, assholes!) and it described exactly what you're talking about!

Plot synopsis: Recruited by the U.S. government for their unique abilities to lie, cheat and fight, as well as exceptional SAT scores--four plaid-skirted high school girls are drafted to be secret agents. They soon become highly trained, fabulously dressed, top-secret agents, known as D.E.B.S....

It's not at odds... The intelligence agencies and the masons are virtually interchangeable... While I was abroad I was offered membership of the masons but had to become an intelligence operative to earn it... as payment for the perks they offered... which I refused btw....

I also mentioned it in my previous post

here:

The masons? Have you ever heard the story of the monkey's paw?

This old magic relic gives the receiver three wishes.. the wishes are fulfilled but with an enormous price to pay...

If you could have your wishes fulfilled what would they be?... A beautiful wife, ok we can arange that (downside, she will spy on you for the rest of your life and probably sleep with other agents as part of her espionage work: you will never quite know where you are with her... her first loyalty will be to the brotherhood, not you...)
..... I knows ma shit maaaan! lol...

[purple is a fruit]

Link please purple...:)

I will give you the thread and let you do the seivng.:)

Up to you what you make of it

Monotomic Gold in General

[societyisthematrix]

It's not at odds... The intelligence agencies and the masons are virtually interchangeable... While I was abroad I was offered membership of the masons but had to become an intelligence operative to earn it... as payment for the perks they offered... which I refused btw....

I also mentioned it in my previous post

here:


..... I knows ma shit maaaan! lol...

Thank you for sharing, it's awesome. I wish you would start a website or something detailing everything you know. It's important and it could help people big time! One question, Alan Watt claims that no one is allowed to make big time movies, for example, with that the masons at least pre-approving their work (if not outright controlling their work). Do you think that's true?

[edelweiss pirate]

Absolutely true... They're everywhere...

I kind of notice them more because they often think I'm one of them and I can smell them a mile away...

I recently walked into a journalist enclosure (by mistake) at a very minor international book fair and was immediately asked...

"Hi, Are you Steven?"

For most people this would be a simple but puzzling case of mistaken identity, however I knew that it was a mason sounding me out...

All I had to do was say yes I was steven and how I've heard all about your work... or somesuch.... and I would be 'in their world'...

And this was just a minor journalist hack writing for some wanky little publication in some foreign country.. They control all the professions, education, media banking you name it...

There's no way a film will get made unless they want it to be... Even a good old movie like V for Vendetta which on the surface is a movie made by one of ours has a very dangerous double purpose which most of us woudl not even suspect... preempting and encouraging terrorism..

[societyisthematrix]

Absolutely true... They're everywhere...

I kind of notice them more because they often think I'm one of them and I can smell them a mile away...

I recently walked into a journalist enclosure (by mistake) at a very minor international book fair and was immediately asked...

"Hi, Are you Steven?"

For most people this would be a simple but puzzling case of mistaken identity, however I knew that it was a mason sounding me out...

All I had to do was say yes I was steven and how I've heard all about your work... or somesuch.... and I would be 'in their world'...

And this was just a minor journalist hack writing for some wanky little publication in some foreign country.. They control all the professions, education, media banking you name it...

There's no way a film will get made unless they want it to be... Even a good old movie like V for Vendetta which on the surface is a movie made by one of ours has a very dangerous double purpose which most of us woudl not even suspect... preempting and encouraging terrorism..

I know at least some about how dangerous V for Vendetta is, I posted this months ago on GLP:

Title: So you think "V for Vendetta" is some kind of inspirational story?

The truth about it is this:

"Some of you have thought you could stop us by placing a bomb in one of our abortion clinics or in a government building. Silly souls! How can that hurt us? All that does is give us an example to use so that we might place more controls and heavy burdens on the population. We love it when you rebel and blow something up. You are our reason for making more laws against all those things which might contribute to your freedom from us. If someone did not blow something up on occasion, we would have no justification in placing more hedges about you. Can't you see how impossible it is for you to resist us? The more you wriggle, the more we squeeze."

If you follow the example in "V for Vendetta", you are playing right into their hands!

http://godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=310959&mpage=&showdate=

[societyisthematrix]

The masons? Have you ever heard the story of the monkey's paw?

This old magic relic gives the receiver three wishes.. the wishes are fulfilled but with an enormous price to pay...

If you could have your wishes fulfilled what would they be?... A beautiful wife, ok we can arange that (downside, she will spy on you for the rest of your life and probably sleep with other agents as part of her espionage work: you will never quite know where you are with her... her first loyalty will be to the brotherhood, not you...)

Second... You want to be a famous writer or actor... We can arrange that (only you will write what we tell you and act in movie we consider suitable to our aims of which you will be told nothing... you may eventually realise that your acting skills have been used to further the cause of the moral degredation of the world...too bad, you sold your conscience to us remember?)

What else? Power? Magic power and the meaning of life.... Ahh, now we can certainly help you there but it will take time and the only way we can really show you the meaning of life is to unplug you from the matrix.... Be warned, you may spend the rest of your life on medication as a result of what you will see? Still with us? Ok, good. No doubt after what you have seen you will realise that the world we have created is a trap for the soul and the organsiation you have joined is a trap for those who might have escaped the material world eventually.... too bad so what do you do now? Talk... not if you want you and your family to survive, those oaths you made to yourself are too strong to be broken... Turn to Jesus. Ha! We ensured that you rejected him! So what do you do now... simple... keep doing your work until we decide to release you from this hell you've discovered...

Everyone here should read this. Thank you, edelweiss pirate.

This part is particularly mind boggling to me:


If you could have your wishes fulfilled what would they be?... A beautiful wife, ok we can arange that (downside, she will spy on you for the rest of your life and probably sleep with other agents as part of her espionage work: you will never quite know where you are with her... her first loyalty will be to the brotherhood, not you...)


How exactly is this arranged? How could a woman give up her life like this (and what does SHE get out of it?)

[king]

Albie, just an honest question, you clearly do not like David Icke, and this was made clear on the other forum...

I am interested to hear you motivation on coming over here, creating an ID account and posting here today?

wow dude, is that your tattoo?

it is way cool

what does it represent?

[king]

Albie, just an honest question, you clearly do not like David Icke, and this was made clear on the other forum...

I am interested to hear you motivation on coming over here, creating an ID account and posting here today?

wow dude, is that your tattoo?

it is way cool

what does it represent?


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=110&dateline=1170256875

[albie]

You wonder why people debunk you? You have these crazy beliefs and no real evidence for having them.

Believe me I've been enquiring about them for months and not one bit of decent evidence has been put my way.

Why debunk? It's fun. I come here to see your beliefs collapse like a paper condom.

I enjoy seeing you squirm.

Maybe I'm like you. I am actually. I used to buy his books. Used to believe them. Then I actually had sex and suddenly realised I was just a sad bastard.

Coming here tormenting you is like punishing my old self and that bit of me that still believes....

...there he is! BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See him run?

Now give me some decent proof for once for your badly put together belief system.

Tell the truth, shame the devil.

[thirdwave]

Why debunk? It's fun. I come here to see your beliefs collapse like a paper condom.

I enjoy seeing you squirm.

Maybe I'm like you. I am actually. I used to buy his books. Used to believe them. Then I actually had sex and suddenly realised I was just a sad bastard.

Coming here tormenting you is like punishing my old self and that bit of me that still believes....



ROFL!!

thats some funny shit!!

"tormenting me"??...LOL

"beliefs collapse like a paper condom"

why would a paper condom collapse more than a rubber one?? ... or did you mean slide off like a paper condom??? ... LOL!!!

and you only clarify my beliefs even more!!


aaawwww..

[thirdwave]

wow dude, is that your tattoo?

it is way cool

what does it represent?


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=110&dateline=1170256875

Thanks

for me it represents a fantastic bit of Art which opens the mind just to look at it... a website i got it from described it as a sign of our choice to come to earth.....

[stikmata]

There are of course those who really have no firm feeling in any direction at all and these people make the good, 'paid stooges' who receive a pay packet from doing this as a living. This has been covered in a few other places recently. I am interested in hearing the thoughts of others on this topic.
What do you think drives the debunker?




hmmmmm... i guess i haven't seen the few other places that that part was discussed recently... would you mind elaborating or providing a link that does?

i think folks who have no firm feeling in any direction at all are amazingly wonderful in a discussion/debate... sort of like a ground when dealing w/ electrical stuff... a little objectivity is rare and valuable if you ask me.


also... by the definition, i think debunking is a very very positive thing... i consider David Icke a debunker of conventional teachings... John Taylor Gatto as a debunker of the education system.

Debunking is good IMO

[edelweiss pirate]

Masonic infiltration of a forum however is not a good thing.

For proof go over to ATS secret societies section and try to post something which may seek to question the old myth that masons are a good honest charity organisation. Bring up the illuminati or even the doctrine of illumination and you will be hounded off the board by a mile thick scum tide of masons...

Check out my posts over there... I did my best but I was more or less a lone voice...

[sgt rock]

Masonic infiltration of a forum however is not a good thing.

According to whom?

[edelweiss pirate]

And now you expect me to take you seriously? Why don't you use one of your other id's if you wish to converse... I don't debate with cartoon characters.

[albie]

Masonic infiltration of a forum however is not a good thing.

For proof go over to ATS secret societies section and try to post something which may seek to question the old myth that masons are a good honest charity organisation. Bring up the illuminati or even the doctrine of illumination and you will be hounded off the board by a mile thick scum tide of masons...

Check out my posts over there... I did my best but I was more or less a lone voice...

Because when you know the vast majority of the actual info out there you tend to discard the garbage.

There are corrupt politicians and buisness men. Not a secret order of jewish masons.

No doubt this post will be rubbed off by the Illuminati mods here like the rest of them.

[sean]

Because when you know the vast majority of the actual info out there you tend to discard the garbage.

There are corrupt politicians and buisness men. Not a secret order of jewish masons.

No doubt this post will be rubbed off by the Illuminati mods here like the rest of them.


If people are here on this forum to have a laugh and get mental stimulation from watching others "squirm" or from arguing purely for the sake of it, they will find their time on this forum short lived.

[albie]

There you go. What did I say? I told the truth. You proved me right.

[edelweiss pirate]

Everyone here should read this. Thank you, edelweiss pirate.

This part is particularly mind boggling to me:



How exactly is this arranged? How could a woman give up her life like this (and what does SHE get out of it?)


Through Mind Control...which is simply based on terror. You even see this to a lesser extent with women attached to abusive husbands, I speak of experience because I had a girlfriend who had an abusive husband who just wouldn't go away... I tried my best to get rid of him but at the end of the day she herself could never quite bring herself to stop inviting him around to her house etc... she claimed to hate him and be afraid of him, yet the fear seemed to make her oddly compliant.

Anyway, it's not a gender issue. The masons do all sorts of awful things because they are afraid of the consuquences if the don't.. If you want to bring it to a more understandable level consider the actions of soldiers and what they will do simply because they are told to.

Many psychiatric cases that have been carried out which show just how little excuse people need to be cruel to each other. In these studies they give people a button which gives a minor electric shock to someone everytime they answer a question incorrectly. People were given a mandate to shock the person when they responded incorrectly.. As it happened the people continued to shock the respondants even when they answered correctly..

Anyway, in a nutshell the answer is mind control. We are all mind controlled to some extent, most of us are mind controlled to believe we have to do a crummy boring job and get on the property ladder. The vast majority of the public have minor general conditioning, there are some people who have been given 'one to one' special treatment. Often they are from the wealthiest families but sometimes they will be people like drug addicts and prostitutes who have given themselves up to whoever can give them money or a fix..

I could give personal examples of mind controlled women I know, but I don't think it would be fair to discuss them in public. Suffice it to say that you would be very suprised if you could see beyond the appearance of things.

[albie]

Why do I keep getting an email for this posting? I've had about 3 just for this one!

And sure, squirming is just a by product of not being able to prove what they believe.

Is that MY fault. But it's not nice to shoot fish in a barrel.

I agree.

[nanny mcphee]

You're making it all more complicated than it really is.

It's because they are masons and they are ordered to do it.

I've been to many conspiracy meetings in many countries in the world and the common thread is that there are always a few sneaky young men and women who are given instructions to either report passively on what is said or to actively disrupt proceedings...

It's simple. They're mason scumbags... normal people wouldn't take the time and trouble to debunk anything, they'd probably believe it..

Notice how debunkers NEVER seem to moderate their viewpoint or even listen to reason. It's because they are not allowed. Their brief is simple, defend the lie. There are thousands of them out there. I recently discovered that some of my friends were in this club. They didn't stay my friends for long after that.

spoken like a true idiot

[edelweiss pirate]

Hello troll.:D

Thanks for the attention.. I feel so special. It's going to be a good day for me now!

[teslafire]

Those kind of personal comments could be posed through PM, for consideration of not boring everyone else.

[edelweiss pirate]

You say that Tesla but I would actually consider if worse to privately PM someone and call them a name, in this instance my aim was to point out a fact and clarify a situation for the benefit of other people..

It's all very well keeping a mod informed about what trolls are about but surely other people have a right to know the about people who may be here just to discredit debunk and offend.. Makes it more democratic and out in the open don't you think?

[societyisthematrix]

Through Mind Control...which is simply based on terror. You even see this to a lesser extent with women attached to abusive husbands, I speak of experience because I had a girlfriend who had an abusive husband who just wouldn't go away... I tried my best to get rid of him but at the end of the day she herself could never quite bring herself to stop inviting him around to her house etc... she claimed to hate him and be afraid of him, yet the fear seemed to make her oddly compliant.

Anyway, it's not a gender issue. The masons do all sorts of awful things because they are afraid of the consuquences if the don't.. If you want to bring it to a more understandable level consider the actions of soldiers and what they will do simply because they are told to.

Many psychiatric cases that have been carried out which show just how little excuse people need to be cruel to each other. In these studies they give people a button which gives a minor electric shock to someone everytime they answer a question incorrectly. People were given a mandate to shock the person when they responded incorrectly.. As it happened the people continued to shock the respondants even when they answered correctly..

Anyway, in a nutshell the answer is mind control. We are all mind controlled to some extent, most of us are mind controlled to believe we have to do a crummy boring job and get on the property ladder. The vast majority of the public have minor general conditioning, there are some people who have been given 'one to one' special treatment. Often they are from the wealthiest families but sometimes they will be people like drug addicts and prostitutes who have given themselves up to whoever can give them money or a fix..

I could give personal examples of mind controlled women I know, but I don't think it would be fair to discuss them in public. Suffice it to say that you would be very suprised if you could see beyond the appearance of things.

Thanks for that. You have to watch a movie called "Control Factor":

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330171/

The woman on the cover was the kind of wife that you're talking about except she wasn't mind controlled, she was just working for the government. Very interesting movie, it was recommended by A Lane Wait, Allen Watt.

[notaslave]

Just because they work for an intelligence agency doesn't mean they are intelligent. In every profession there are those who are unlikely to make it up the ladder to things more worthwhile. If they appear to enjoy their work, its likely because there personality is well suited to the work....or they have been programmed for the task.

AINT THAT THE TRUTH!!!
I have found them to be incapable of thought beyond what they are told to believe, its sad really. baaaaaaaaaaaaaad luck. lol

[trinity1]

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

If you push on anything, it pushes back on you.

The bigger the push, the bigger the push back.

[chocky pud]

I have found them to be incapable of thought beyond what they are told to believe, its sad really. baaaaaaaaaaaaaad luck. lol

Yes, they get banned and keep coming back in under new names to continue on with the same kind of inane trolling. Its very mechanical, robotic and smacks of programming and mind-control does it not?. Its like they've had a chip installed in their brains called "trolling 101" so they can troll as work for their agency. We should feel sorry for them, as programs can be terminated any time handlers have no further need for them. They likely have no idea they are even programmed, as their trolling is probably done when in one of their 'alter' personalities. According to Stuart Swerdlow, there are now litereally tens of thousands of these people living amongst us.

If they are not professional trolls then the only other explanation that makes much sense to me is that they are desperately sad and lonely people who feel they have no crediblity in the real world, so keep coming in here and other forums to flex their muscles (ego) under different personalities and in a safe environment where they never have to actually make eye-contact with a living being.

There amy be other explanations but it all seems a bit sad to me.

[albie]

I have found them to be incapable of thought beyond what they are told to believe, its sad really. baaaaaaaaaaaaaad luck. lol

Funny, because I've spent a few months on the other Icke site and they can't see beyond what they've read in conspiracy books.

Are you so sure you've looked far enough your self?

So easy to be given an answer by Icke etc and not bother to check it out.

Then feel you are the free one, the right one.

That's why so many people hate me. I find the cracks.

[albie]

You should cherish people like me, willing to test what you believe.

But no, you call em a mason or a troll.

[thirdwave]

You should cherish people like me, willing to test what you believe.

But no, you call em a mason or a troll.



I don't think anyone has a problem with you doing your own research and challenging anyone's views .... but at the end of the day its up to each individual to make their own mind up what to think, and others should respect that persons right to do so.

you may feel that this person has done this or that wrong, and you are more than in your right to bring this up and point it out.... but others still have the right to make their own mind up on what information they personally feel is more valid... some may agree with you some may not, that's what's good about freedom.

[jimijams]

You should cherish people like me, willing to test what you believe.

But no, you call em a mason or a troll.
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly.
I'm crying.