The secret

[deano]

sorry if this has been posted before
what do you make of this?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U_SxIZHwAYo

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_b1GKGWJbE8

[thirdwave]

A well created doc, that has done great, and explains the LOA which is info that has been way to repressed for way to long...

thats what I think...

[Anders Lindman]

What I think the Secret movie didn't explain is whether I can use the LOA for only myself, or if I can also use it to help other people such as starving children? Which such confusion in my mind, the universe will not know what to do.

[i_am]

What I think the Secret movie didn't explain is whether I can use the LOA for only myself, or if I can also use it to help other people such as starving children? Which such confusion in my mind, the universe will not know what to do.

Hi Anders

I believe we can only use it for self. We cannot interfere with anothers journey or free will. We do not know what anothers life journey is ( hell do we even know our own) and it is not to impose our will, no matter how good the intent, on another. Sure if we could use it for good that would be awesome but it could also be used for bad.

I also believe that those in these circumstances are very advanced souls. If you believe that we choose our experiences, then they have chosen that path for a reason. I think we can help them and I think we, if given the opportunity, can help them to re-member. Maybe their journey is to teach the world compassion and make people realise how fortunate they are to have food and a roof over their head.

This is my belief, however and I could be wrong :D

PS: We could use it to attract the means to help them in some way.

[Anders Lindman]

I believe we can only use it for self.

That could be true. But how do I know that? So my confusion remains, and the universe will still not know what to do. I could use the LOA for only myself, but consciously or subconsciously I will feel guilt for perhaps being selfish. And if I use the LOA to help someone else, then I'm not sure if this perhaps is messing with other people's integrity. :confused:

[eternal_spirit]

Hi Anders

I believe we can only use it for self. We cannot interfere with anothers journey or free will. We do not know what anothers life journey is ( hell do we even know our own) and it is not to impose our will, no matter how good the intent, on another. Sure if we could use it for good that would be awesome but it could also be used for bad.

I also believe that those in these circumstances are very advanced souls. If you believe that we choose our experiences, then they have chosen that path for a reason. I think we can help them and I think we, if given the opportunity, can help them to re-member. Maybe their journey is to teach the world compassion and make people realise how fortunate they are to have food and a roof over their head.

This is my belief, however and I could be wrong :D

PS: We could use it to attract the means to help them in some way.

This is sort of what started me off on the truth seekers path many years ago(half a life time ago lol) 18 years ago I read some books by T.Lobsang Rampa who was a Tibetan herbalist mystic monk.

Anway he said.....before you're born you are in spirit form and choose a path to take in life and choose the right parents and circumstances to follow this path. You know like some people seem to know exactly what they want to do when they leave school what job etc. Most of us can only rely on intuition to go with what feels right for us.

But you may choose to be born with special qualities in order to carry out you're life plan, an example would be an artist or musician sensitive creative etc. A builder strong physically etc.

Apparantley the trauma of being born from spirit into a physical body and other external factors like mind control and conditioning, can make ones life plan less obvious to an individual, kind of blocking the higher levels of consciousness, where the intuition and life plan can flow down to the concious mind.

So choosing a life plan before being born maybe related to past life karma which needs balancing out. Or you have chosen to incarnate to do certain things to progress yourself and also help other people, or even hinder them if you're and their karma needs balancing in some way.

If this is so, certain things that happen will be put down to destiny as if it is meant to happen. Amongst the random chaos, law of averages of life as a human and freewill of an individual sticking to ones lifeplan isn't easy.

If you make the wrong choices in life, you can be led way of course, resulting in being reincarnated time and time again to complete you're life plan. if you somehow manage to complete the plan and do all that you came here to do as a human, you may progress either into a higher level of spirit, or even a higher level of physical being in another lifetime next time around but in another universe or planet not of this earth.

[i_am]

This is sort of what started me off on the truth seekers path many years ago(half a life time ago lol) 18 years ago I read some books by T.Lobsang Rampa who was a Tibetan herbalist mystic monk.

Anway he said.....before you're born you are in spirit form and choose a path to take in life and choose the right parents and circumstances to follow this path. You know like some people seem to know exactly what they want to do when they leave school what job etc. Most of us can only rely on intuition to go with what feels right for us.

But you may choose to be born with special qualities in order to carry out you're life plan, an example would be an artist or musician sensitive creative etc. A builder strong physically etc.

Apparantley the trauma of being born from spirit into a physical body and other external factors like mind control and conditioning, can make ones life plan less obvious to an individual, kind of blocking the higher levels of consciousness, where the intuition and life plan can flow down to the concious mind.

So choosing a life plan before being born maybe related to past life karma which needs balancing out. Or you have chosen to incarnate to do certain things to progress yourself and also help other people, or even hinder them if you're and their karma needs balancing in some way.

If this is so, certain things that happen will be put down to destiny as if it is meant to happen. Amongst the random chaos, law of averages of life as a human and freewill of an individual sticking to ones lifeplan isn't easy.

If you make the wrong choices in life, you can be led way of course, resulting in being reincarnated time and time again to complete you're life plan. if you somehow manage to complete the plan and do all that you came here to do as a human, you may progress either into a higher level of spirit, or even a higher level of physical being in another lifetime next time around but in another universe or planet not of this earth.

Yep! That is what I believe. It is a very complex and complicated subject. Thank you for putting it so well.

I had a friend who introduced me to T.Lobsang Rampa a long time ago too. I was already on this train of thought and so what he said 'felt' right.

[thirdwave]

Hi Anders

I believe we can only use it for self. We cannot interfere with anothers journey or free will.



I agree, allthough I think we can inspire which can be a very powerful thing.... if you want to change something you can inspire it to happen...

[seanx]

Unfortunately T.Lobsang Rampa was a conman.

He wasn't a monk - but, i think an American salesman.

Though most of what is in his books rings true.

I don't know all the full details about him - maybe others
on the forum do

[peter19]

"I believe we can only use it for self. We cannot interfere with anothers journey or free will."

we cannot interfer with someones free will but i think for instance if you went to a poor country to help some people what is not to say that, that was your journey and there journey also?. you will meet this person who will help you out abit or whatever.
i think aswell even if you just use it for yourself you are still interfering with another journey in one way or another it is just appearing more inadvertantly.

[Anders Lindman]

i think aswell even if you just use it for yourself you are still interfering with another journey in one way or another it is just appearing more inadvertantly.

Hmm... That could very well be true. Tricky business the LOA is...

To simplify it, there is my will, and there is the will of the rest of the world. These two wills are related and connected but not the same thing. If my will would resonate constructively with the rest of the world's will, then that would be very powerful, but how the heck to do that?

[i_am]

Unfortunately T.Lobsang Rampa was a conman.

He wasn't a monk - but, i think an American salesman.

Though most of what is in his books rings true.

I don't know all the full details about him - maybe others
on the forum do

and a plumber too :D :D

It has been thought in some circles that Lobsang Rampa was a fraud, and that he was an English plumber by the name of Cyril Hoskins who made up the information in the books. However, any-one who has read Dr. Rampa's books would have difficulty saying where else could the teachings and metaphysical information have come from except from experience during this and previous lives

Good article here (http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/LobsangRampa1.html)

[pollock]

Unfortunately T.Lobsang Rampa was a conman.

He wasn't a monk - but, i think an American salesman.

Though most of what is in his books rings true.

I don't know all the full details about him - maybe others
on the forum do

He claimed to be chaneling a tibetan monk
Heres some info, theres a lot on the net, both from believers and non believers.
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/lobsangrampaintrograybarker07oct05.shtml

I personally find this a case of "only he will know" and Ive read the books in that spirit there is a lot of truths in them and he writes in a pleasant way imo!
My favorite book by him is living with the lama, and is "written" by a cat!
Read it if you get time, it is sweet!

F

[peter19]

http://murdomacdonaldbayneyoga.homestead.com/ch1yoga.html

good read. :)

[marcus]

I think The Secret documentary was very good. But after a bit of thought - I started feeling it was a very capitalistic version of the Law of Attraction. Did anyone else think this?

So the world is slowly moving over to a more spiritualistic perception; so what if the Powers that Be decided to high-jack this movement?

Manifestion of Thought and reality creation (http://www.thethoughts.co.uk/thoughts/manifestation-of-thought/)

The above link sorta describes how this would be / is possible.

[Anders Lindman]

I think The Secret documentary was very good. But after a bit of thought - I started feeling it was a very capitalistic version of the Law of Attraction. Did anyone else think this?


I am confused about how to use the LOA. As soon as I start thinking about how to use it there is always some feeling of guilt related to that. :confused:

[eternal_spirit]

Unfortunately T.Lobsang Rampa was a conman.

He wasn't a monk - but, i think an American salesman.

Though most of what is in his books rings true.

I don't know all the full details about him - maybe others
on the forum do

One of Rampa's debunkers turned out to be a Nazi.
When Rampa was learning how to read peoples auras, he mentioned a man of evil intention, an English man.... probably Aleister Crowley, who was visiting A Tibetan monastry to talk to a high ranking Lama, whilst Rampa watched from a secret location.

So Crowley who was involved with the same masonic societies as churchill and Hitlers controllers. Used parts of the occult knowledge he aquired from the Tibetan Lamas to add to his magickal rituals etc.

I think Rampa was the same as Icke, the media tried to make him out a fraud. whilst they promoted the ex nazi authors who also wrote books on Tibet
who would delibaretly add disinformation.

Anway, according to Rampa parts of his life plan where to go to the west and explain some of the Buddhist teachings through his books... example reincarnation..... that all paths lead the same way home...meaning.....It doesnt matter what religion you follow as a human, because we all go back to the source after this life, back to spirit.

He also wanted to invent an aura reading machine, to diagnose people's illnesses and provide cures with his advanced knowledge of the metaphysical and herbs, he was a medical Lama amongst other things.

He said the Dalai Lama not sure if it's the same one whose about today is a fake and doesn't really have the best of intentions of the Tibetan people on his agenda.(the true Dalai lama when into hiding about the time the Chinese took over Tibet, along with other high ranking Lamas to preserve the deepest metaphysical knowldge from the Nazis etc)
I've heard todays Dalai Lama preaches vegetarianism, but shoots pigeons for fun, which goes against true Buddhist teachings and does an advert for McDonalds FFS!

[maike]

I think The Secret documentary was very good. But after a bit of thought - I started feeling it was a very capitalistic version of the Law of Attraction. Did anyone else think this?

So the world is slowly moving over to a more spiritualistic perception; so what if the Powers that Be decided to high-jack this movement?

Manifestion of Thought and reality creation (http://www.thethoughts.co.uk/thoughts/manifestation-of-thought/)

The above link sorta describes how this would be / is possible.

Hello Marcus and everybody else,
I have to agree with you that this documentary is quite capitalistic and also superficial. They advertise it as a few hundred year old secret, however I believe it is as old as the universe and known to humanity for a long time. In addition, it has never been a secret, but a ''forgotten'' fact for most people. Moreover, they make a lot of money out of this project. I believe, the information in this documentary should be accessible for everybody and not only for those that are willing or can spend the money on viewing the movie.
It is still a great tool to empower oneself, and in fact a good way to make the world a better place; however, many people that start with great ideas and visions with the highest good in mind easily end up corrupted and thus their idea and vision becomes an illusion with a dark reality. I believe that in order for this LOA to work for the benefit of everybody, the world in general has to become more aware and accepting. Therefore, I think ''The Secret'' documentary is a nice documentation that unveils forgotten facts, but is also a big money making tool for the producers etc.

[seanx]

Thanks for all that great information about T.Lobsang Rampa

I read he was a 'fraud' - which I always found difficult to understand,
and accept especially after reading his books.

[poodle]

I am confused about how to use the LOA. As soon as I start thinking about how to use it there is always some feeling of guilt related to that. :confused:

Maybe there is something within the releasing techniques that could guide you? Such as EFT?

Or perhaps, as was mentioned earlier, your journey does involve something more wordly and involved within the compassionate causes. Is it likely that the best scenario for you personally could be to utilise the LOA to manifest a place for yourself, where you can truly help out in those situations you feel passionate for?