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keithm
21-08-2008, 06:50 PM
Passenger 'forced by crew to stay on crash flight'

Cabin crew aboard the the ill-fated Spanair flight which crashed on take-off at Madrid airport yesterday refused to let a passenger off despite earlier technical problems with the aircraft, the man's family said today.

The chilling accusation came to light as the budget airline defended its decision to clear the MD-82 jet for take-off despite aborting an earlier attempt because a gauge showed an overheating air-intake valve. The device was switched off and the flight went ahead.

Of the 172 people aboard flight JK5022, only 19 survived. Witnesses said the plane's left-hand engine burst into flame as it lifted off the runway and the aircraft broke up and crashed back to earth in flames.

The plane is designed to be able to take off even if one engine fails, but aviation sources in Spain suggested today that the burning engine might have spun round and thrown deadly debris into the aircraft's rudder and right-hand engine. Another hypothesis emerging today was that the plane deployed its reverse-thruster, normally used at touchdown.

As relatives of those aboard the plane waited for news of their loved ones, their anger has focused on why Spanair allowed the pilot to take off despite the aircraft's problems. Javier Mendoza, deputy director of operations for the company, told a press conference that all standard procedures had been followed.

The story of the passenger forced to remain aboard emerged at the Madrid hotel taken over by the airline to host relatives of the victims.

Spanish media said that an unidentified woman at the hotel told reporters that her husband had texted her at 12.30 pm - almost two hours before the accident - saying: "My love, there's a problem with the plane."

She phoned him back and told him to get off the flight, but he said: "They won't let me off."

The woman's son, who was with her at the hotel, said that the cabin crew had told the man to get back in his seat.

Relatives of the passengers were arriving today at a Madrid convention centre, which also used as a makeshift morgue after the al-Qaeda train bombing of March 2003. Only 37 of the bodies have been identified so far.

"I’d kill the bastard who did this," one man shouted at a television crew as he drove past the building.

Priests and psychologists comforted distraught relatives overnight at Barajas airport and at the Las Palmas airport on Gran Canaria, where flight JK5022 was headed. The plane was operating on a codeshare with Lufthansa although only four Germans were aboard the flight, a Bavarian family whose fate remains unclear.

According to a list published by Spanair, the vast majority of the passengers were Spanish, but officials said that there were also passengers from Sweden, the Netherlands and Chile.

The plane was 15 years old, bought by Spanair from Korean Air in 1999, and was overhauled in January.

As three days of national mourning were declared, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, the Prime Minsiter, interrupted his holidays in southern Spain to fly to the scene. The Spanish Olympic Committee said the Spanish flag would fly at half mast in the Olympic village in Beijing.

Spanair, owned by the Scandinavian airline SAS, has been struggling with high fuel prices and tough competition. It announced it was laying off 1,062 staff and cutting routes after losing some £40 million in the first half of the year.

Air safety experts pointed out that Europe had been free of major plane disasters in recent years but take-offs still posed the greatest risk for flight crews.

The MD-82 should be able to lift off with only one engine, and pilots are trained for such eventualities, but one hypothesis that emerged today was that the plane's thrust reversers, normally only used for when it touches down, could have been deployed. That would explain why the pilots were unable to control the craft despite reaching normal take-off speed.

In May 1991, a Lauda Air Boeing 767 crashed in Thailand with the loss of 223 lives when the thrust reverser automatically went into operation.

"Automatic thrust reverser deployment will be one of the things that air crash investigators will be looking at," said Dr Guy Gratton of the school of engineering and design at Brunel University in West London.

[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]

keithm
21-08-2008, 06:55 PM
A SON, CALLED DONOVAN, OF ONE OF THE VICTIMS OF THE MADRID PLANE CRASH HAS TOLD THE PRESS THE FOLLOWING:

ALLEGEDLY HIS FATHER SENT A TEXT MESSAGE TO HIS WIFE, THIS PERSONS MOTHER , THE VICTIMS WIFE, FROM THE PLANE TELLING HER THAT THE PILOT ALLEGEDLY TOLD THE PASSENGERS HE DIDNT WANT TO TAKE OFF WITH THAT PLANE BUT THAT ALLEDGEDLY HE WAS TOLD TO TAKE OFF. THIS AFTER THE REVISION THAT HE REQUESTED.


but theres more..

HE ALSO TOLD THE PRESS THAT HIS MOTHER THEN SENT A TEXT MESSAGE TO HIS FATHER TELLING HIM TO GET OFF THE PLANE IMMEDIATELY.
THE FATHER REPLIED AFTER SOME MOMENTS THAT HE AND OTHERS WERE TRYING TO GET OFF THE PLANE BUT THAT THEY COULDNT , THEY WERENT ALLOWED TO.



HE ALLEGEDLY HAS THE TEXT MESSAGES FROM HIS DEAD FATHER TO PROVE THIS AND HAS SHOWN THEM TO THE PRESS.

seeker1111
21-08-2008, 06:58 PM
A SON, CALLED DONOVAN, OF ONE OF THE VICTIMS OF THE MADRID PLANE CRASH HAS TOLD THE PRESS THE FOLLOWING:

ALLEGEDLY HIS FATHER SENT A TEXT MESSAGE TO HIS WIFE, THIS PERSONS MOTHER , THE VICTIMS WIFE, FROM THE PLANE TELLING HER THAT THE PILOT ALLEGEDLY TOLD THE PASSENGERS HE DIDNT WANT TO TAKE OFF WITH THAT PLANE BUT THAT ALLEDGEDLY HE WAS TOLD TO TAKE OFF. THIS AFTER THE REVISION THAT HE REQUESTED.


but theres more..

HE ALSO TOLD THE PRESS THAT HIS MOTHER THEN SENT A TEXT MESSAGE TO HIS FATHER TELLING HIM TO GET OFF THE PLANE IMMEDIATELY.
THE FATHER REPLIED AFTER SOME MOMENTS THAT HE AND OTHERS WERE TRYING TO GET OFF THE PLANE BUT THAT THEY COULDNT , THEY WERENT ALLOWED TO.



HE ALLEGEDLY HAS THE TEXT MESSAGES FROM HIS DEAD FATHER TO PROVE THIS AND HAS SHOWN THEM TO THE PRESS.
:(

deafbred
21-08-2008, 07:04 PM
horrible

HELL BENT on destruction

if I was there I probably would have kicked out a window, then they wouldn't be able to take off. Probably still would have anyways.

this world is controlled by the spirit of DEATH

keithm
21-08-2008, 07:37 PM
Check out after second 54, this is so strange
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=hz3gTPo_SnA&feature=related

mini tornado or dust devil.

sade
21-08-2008, 07:48 PM
...

I want to puke. I feel disgusted if this is true.
Also, I wonder if this happened while they waited inside the plane for 2 hours?

Btw, there was a finnish woman in the plane who survived.

phaid
21-08-2008, 09:54 PM
Priests and psychologists comforted distraught relatives overnight at Barajas airport and at the Las Palmas airport on Gran Canaria, where flight JK5022 was headed.

Respect to those who died and their families etc. but I couldn't help thinking that these two groups should get together later and thrash a few things out about each other.

graflok
21-08-2008, 10:41 PM
Priests and psychologists comforted distraught relatives...

The last people I would want "comforting" me. :cool:

lightgiver
22-08-2008, 12:10 AM
Check out after second 54, this is so strange
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=hz3gTPo_SnA&feature=related

mini tornado or dust devil.

Yea,i saw that,what is it :confused:

jock1056
22-08-2008, 12:17 AM
Check out after second 54, this is so strange
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=hz3gTPo_SnA&feature=related

mini tornado or dust devil.

Excuse my ignorance whats a dust devil .thanx

onourwayto2012
22-08-2008, 12:17 AM
the Last People I Would Want "comforting" Me. :cool:

No Shit!!!

phaid
22-08-2008, 12:58 AM
And while you're having a look at all the pictures of the Madrid tragedy that will no doubt be published/shown on TV in the next week or so, remember that this -

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8289/craterplrb5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8289/craterplrb5.9c715686da.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=391&i=craterplrb5.jpg)

is what we are supposed to believe the remains of Flight 93 (a Boeing 757) looked like at Shanksville on 9/11.

jimmi
22-08-2008, 10:11 AM
Nice one Phaid, a timely reminder.

Well worth a mention when sitting next to someone in front of the goggle box 'news' !

lightworks
22-08-2008, 01:21 PM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=468580&posted=1#post468580
heres my thread.
I think this whope story stinks like a classic illuminati rertilian based psyops

I send this music of my master Ustad Nusrat fateh ali Khan to the ones just passed over

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XheBF5QeWgo

lightgiver
24-08-2008, 12:59 AM
And while you're having a look at all the pictures of the Madrid tragedy that will no doubt be published/shown on TV in the next week or so, remember that this -

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8289/craterplrb5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8289/craterplrb5.9c715686da.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=391&i=craterplrb5.jpg)

is what we are supposed to believe the remains of Flight 93 (a Boeing 757) looked like at Shanksville on 9/11.

yep,with you on that one,somethings you cannot forget;)

red_ram
24-08-2008, 01:23 AM
Wakeandsee's thread in the General forum makes this non-letting off even more significant.

gav42
24-08-2008, 02:00 AM
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-08/41754429.jpg

Anybody notice this image, with the inverted star.