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smoking oceanus
21-08-2008, 05:24 PM
I think he's right on the ball..
Robert Anton Wilson on Conspiracy Theories - YouTube
zen_fox
21-08-2008, 07:48 PM
he's the man
zen_fox
21-08-2008, 08:31 PM
he's right. the greatest conspiracy is the conspiracy of the stupid. but it's important to know that it's not the intelligent and learned person's duty to wave their accomplishment of the mind over others but to educate them as well. it is a conspiracy of education. the stupid are the wise man's job. because of the ego of the west, most will never learn. while thinking, maybe dreaming, of learning something they are often stopped by intimidation, the fear of failure. there own self-importance, their illusion of the false self, will keep them from ever admitting, "i don't know that. teach me." and apathy.
phaid
21-08-2008, 08:46 PM
This isn't a dress rehearsal. Take responsiblity for your own life and stop blaming others.
Hail Eris! Hail Bob!
"The major open functions of Mystical Tsarism now are the Drug Enforcement Administration [DEA] and the Food and Drug Administration [FDA.] You all know about the DEA and its vast army of snoops and informers -- a vision to gladden the heart of Pobedonostsev himself. The FDA operates similarly but with less publicity; it was described in these terms by Saul Kent of the Life Extension Foundation: "The FDA's strong-arm tactics are used to intimidate and terrorize Americans into toeing their police-state line on health care and medicine." In 1957, the FDA burned all the books of dissident physician Wilhelm Reich, M.D., smashed his laboratory equipment with axes, and threw him in jail, where he died."--Robert Anton Wilson
http://www.whale.to/m/wilson.html
It seems Wilson was heavily influenced by the great Wilhelm Reich;
http://www.listenlittleman.com/
supertzar
21-08-2008, 09:37 PM
His role is to cover up the real power structure in my opinion. Likeable and clever, but worked for the other side.
bill23
21-08-2008, 10:00 PM
a true genius.
thirdwave
21-08-2008, 10:03 PM
He was a dude.... Totally into his books at the moment...
good post!
thirdwave
21-08-2008, 10:14 PM
here is another good little interview... interviewers a bit of a div though :)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vtTEK9VqafE&feature=related
phaid
22-08-2008, 12:09 AM
"What would you think of a man who not only kept an arsenal in his home, but was collecting at enormous financial sacrifice a second arsenal to protect the first one? What would you say if this man so frightened his neighbors that they in turn were collecting weapons to protect themselves from him? What if this man spent ten times as much money on his expensive weapons as he did on the education of his children? What if one of his children criticized his hobby and he called that child a traitor and a bum and disowned him? And he took another child who obeyed him faithfully and armed that child and sent it out into the world to attack neighbors? What would you say about a man who introduces poisons into the water he drinks and the air he breathes? What if this man not only is feuding with the people on his block but involves himself in the quarrels of others in distant parts of the city and even in the suburbs?
Such a man would clearly be a paranoid schizophrenic... with homicidal tendencies."
- Robert Anton Wilson
And if you questioned or challenged this 'man', would you not be called a 'paranoid', a 'lunatic', or a 'conspiracy theorist' yourself?
smoking oceanus
22-08-2008, 10:14 AM
His role is to cover up the real power structure in my opinion. Likeable and clever, but worked for the other side.
Well, until you can actually prove this as fact, then i might consider your thesis.
thirdwave
22-08-2008, 11:19 AM
Well, until you can actually prove this as fact, then i might consider your thesis.
the thing is about RAW is people like him make people question there dogams.... and they dont like this, it has taken them a while to build it and to get comfy with it and they dont like somone coming along and pointing out that its at fault....
you also have to remember these videos are a few years old now and if you look around at how crazy on the conspiracy theories are at the moment with just about everything and everyone debunked and attacked to see his point.
mondo23
22-08-2008, 12:14 PM
RAW didnt just have A perspective. He had THE perspective.
There was a man with 7 circuits fired up.
I loved how RAW would open his talks by declaring everyone a Discordian pope,..spectacles, testicles, whiskey, cigar.
I highly recommend the Maybe Logic dvd and Robert Anton Wilson Explains Everything cd pack. Whenever I listen to the man or read him it lifts my day:)
Hail Eris!
Fnord!:cool:
thirdwave
22-08-2008, 01:40 PM
RAW didnt just have A perspective. He had THE perspective.
There was a man with 7 circuits fired up.
I loved how RAW would open his talks by declaring everyone a Discordian pope,..spectacles, testicles, whiskey, cigar.
I highly recommend the Maybe Logic dvd and Robert Anton Wilson Explains Everything cd pack. Whenever I listen to the man or read him it lifts my day:)
Hail Eris!
Fnord!:cool:
Agreed, will have to check that CD pack out... very inspirational human being.
supertzar
22-08-2008, 03:49 PM
the thing is about RAW is people like him make people question there dogams.... and they dont like this, it has taken them a while to build it and to get comfy with it and they dont like somone coming along and pointing out that its at fault....
Not true in my case, thirdwave. I was way into Cosmic Trigger and Illuminatus! I understood his message broadly and incorporated his approach to understanding reality into my own. Then I began to see that he was poo-pooing real conspiracies. He might as well have been a member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation for all that he said about ritual abuse. It doesn't exist outside the Catholic Church? Tell that to Paul Bonacci. Tell it to the mother of my child. I would like to see that.
He loves to play up the (admittedly appealing) idea that "The stupidity of the Establishment cannot be overestimated," implying that the Elite are too stupid to manage any large scale conspiracies. He reminds me of those "experts" that mindlessly repeat the tired old line about how when things go bad people look for someone or something to blame so they invent conspiracies. Someone else besides the Baron must able to see what I am saying here?
dangermouse
22-08-2008, 04:26 PM
Not true in my case, thirdwave. I was way into Cosmic Trigger and Illuminatus! I understood his message broadly and incorporated his approach to understanding reality into my own. Then I began to see that he was poo-pooing real conspiracies. He might as well have been a member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation for all that he said about ritual abuse. It doesn't exist outside the Catholic Church? Tell that to Paul Bonacci. Tell it to the mother of my child. I would like to see that.
He loves to play up the (admittedly appealing) idea that "The stupidity of the Establishment cannot be overestimated," implying that the Elite are too stupid to manage any large scale conspiracies. He reminds me of those "experts" that mindlessly repeat the tired old line about how when things go bad people look for someone or something to blame so they invent conspiracies. Someone else besides the Baron must able to see what I am saying here?
I do although I haven't seen enough of the guy to make a proper judgment.
thirdwave
22-08-2008, 05:02 PM
Not true in my case, thirdwave. I was way into Cosmic Trigger and Illuminatus! I understood his message broadly and incorporated his approach to understanding reality into my own. Then I began to see that he was poo-pooing real conspiracies. He might as well have been a member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation for all that he said about ritual abuse. It doesn't exist outside the Catholic Church? Tell that to Paul Bonacci. Tell it to the mother of my child. I would like to see that.
He loves to play up the (admittedly appealing) idea that "The stupidity of the Establishment cannot be overestimated," implying that the Elite are too stupid to manage any large scale conspiracies. He reminds me of those "experts" that mindlessly repeat the tired old line about how when things go bad people look for someone or something to blame so they invent conspiracies. Someone else besides the Baron must able to see what I am saying here?
Not true at all, I think you have totaly missed his point, but you have a right to your opinion...
He knows there are conspiracies going on, he thinks that there are many many conspiracies... he just does not feel there is 1... "and 2 does not really do it for him either"
but also knows the most people have no idea what they really are and can only speculate and basically yabber on a load of shit which many here do nowadays...
this is why you get people thinking somone is in on the elite just because they got on the BBC.... after all, how did they? right? ... everyone in the BBC is allowed to be there, but THEM right?? .... yet you might get a guy on the BBC who well a truly exposes the NWO! ... Hu???? where is this all at!??
And so on.... this kind of thing builds up and just gets messy and the only thing it creates is rows on a internet forum... the solution as there are more forces at work.... and not just one happy little Knights temple unfolding there program... this is not to say there is not a Knights temple unfolding a program...
I recommend "Prometheus Rising".
Oh, and most people here ARE just looking for somone else to blame.
supertzar
22-08-2008, 05:29 PM
What's not true at all? Does he not say all conspiracies die because of competing conspiracies, ineptitude, etc., essentially putting a limit on the scale of conspiracies?
micklemus
22-08-2008, 05:46 PM
Not true at all, I think you have totaly missed his point, but you have a right to your opinion...
He knows there are conspiracies going on, he thinks that there are many many conspiracies... he just does not feel there is 1... "and 2 does not really do it for him either"
but also knows the most people have no idea what they really are and can only speculate and basically yabber on a load of shit which many here do nowadays...
this is why you get people thinking somone is in on the elite just because they got on the BBC.... after all, how did they? right? ... everyone in the BBC is allowed to be there, but THEM right?? .... yet you might get a guy on the BBC who well a truly exposes the NWO! ... Hu???? where is this all at!??
And so on.... this kind of thing builds up and just gets messy and the only thing it creates is rows on a internet forum... the solution as there are more forces at work.... and not just one happy little Knights temple unfolding there program... this is not to say there is not a Knights temple unfolding a program...
I recommend "Prometheus Rising".
Oh, and most people here ARE just looking for somone else to blame.
Completely agreed. Very much enjoyed your other recent posts too, which prompted me to put finger to keyboard despite vowing never to do so again.
If you're not totally with the notion that anything involving 'power' (if there is such a thing) and 'profile' (ditto) is part of a grand conspiracy then sooner or later you find yourself facing the Spanish Inquisition here. Failure to agree with the majority makes you automatically one of "them".
I totally agree it's not that simple. Wilson had such a refreshing insight.
supertzar
22-08-2008, 08:09 PM
RAW on another "conspiracy theory." Note the condescending tone in the last sentence of the body of this entry.
From "Everything is Under Control" By RAW
Corey Hammond
Dr. Corey Hammond, a leading practitioner of recovered memory therapy, believes that his work proves the existence of an international Satanic cult of Nazis and C.IA. agents who have engaged in Satanic abuse of children for over 50 years. The purpose of the ritual abuse, Dr. Hammond says, is the creation of robotic humans, who are "programmed" to behave in specific ways when specific commands are given. In his own words, the Nazi-CIA group (which also includes NASA) hopes to create "tens of thousands of mental robots who will do pornography, prostitution, smuggle drugs, engage in international arms smuggling. Eventually, those at the top of the satanic cult want to create a satanic order that will rule the world."
Dr. Hammond has even classified various types of "programs" which have been implanted in the victims of this cult: Alpha represents general obedience programming; Beta concerns performing oral sex and running child prostitution rings; Delta is the program that creates assassins; Omega are self-destruct programs which cause victims to kill themselves if a therapist almost recovers their other deep-buried satanic programs; Zeta concerns the production of snuff films; etc.
Dr Hammond is a licensed psychologist in Utah, founder and director of the Sex and Marital Therapy Clinic at the University of Utah, has served as both president and vice-president of the American Society of Clinical Hypnosis, and serves as abstracts editor the American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis. He says he goes in fear of his life because of the revelations he has made. His theories have been accepted as literally true by countless Feminists and Fundamentalists.
See also Philp K. Dick, Daemonic Duck, False Memory Syndrome Foundation,. the Great Satanic Blasphemy, Nazi Hell Creatures
Reference: Making Monsters, by Richard Ofshe and Ethan Watters, University of California Press, Berkeley & Los Angles, 1994, pp 183-93
thirdwave
23-08-2008, 01:33 AM
RAW on another "conspiracy theory." Note the condescending tone in the last sentence of the body of this entry.
From "Everything is Under Control" By RAW
you have lost me with this.... what in this quote do you think is relevant?
If you're not totally with the notion that anything involving 'power' (if there is such a thing) and 'profile' (ditto) is part of a grand conspiracy then sooner or later you find yourself facing the Spanish Inquisition here.
Totally...and also notice how somone can never simply be accused of being wrong.... nope, they are either right, or they are a dis info agent... why do people refuse to except the fact that maybe.... simply.... they might be wrong?
it does tend to happen.
that being said I think RAW is bang on.
supertzar
23-08-2008, 03:19 AM
you have lost me with this.... what in this quote do you think is relevant?
His attitude that the existence of this kind of programming is bullshit.
eternal_spirit
23-08-2008, 03:23 AM
His role is to cover up the real power structure in my opinion. Likeable and clever, but worked for the other side.
See someone's got their bullshit ometer well honed.
supertzar
23-08-2008, 03:28 AM
Thanks, friend. :)
eternal_spirit
23-08-2008, 03:31 AM
Thanks, friend. :)
:cool:
Your welcome notice it's always the same people defending these people. Wilson was promoting lucifer we all know that Pike admitted that was the Freemasons/mystery schools main deity. Lucifer is satan is Yaweh.
supertzar
23-08-2008, 03:51 AM
That's an understandable opinion. I am interested in examining certain things he said. He talked about ritual abuse quite a bit. He seemed to think it was largely invented by some kind of cult of deranged therapists bent on destroying the lives of good people. I find it hard to believe he was simply wrong about it considering his level of occult knowledge. If he really didn't have the faintest idea that ritual abuse and mind control is quite widespread, then I find his information extremely limited and no longer worth my time.
kweli
23-08-2008, 04:05 AM
I've only read a couple of his works.. in fact, I've just finished reading 'Illuminati papers' all I can say is.. what a crock of shit! Hey, but at least I know where Hagbard Celine got his name. :D
challand
23-08-2008, 04:21 AM
LOL!
"...and the third reason is, there are lots of conspiracies around..."
I saw this guy speak on a 'Disinformation' DVD I picked up at Borders, he's hillarious!
lizzy
23-08-2008, 05:23 AM
That's an understandable opinion. I am interested in examining certain things he said. He talked about ritual abuse quite a bit. He seemed to think it was largely invented by some kind of cult of deranged therapists bent on destroying the lives of good people. I find it hard to believe he was simply wrong about it considering his level of occult knowledge. If he really didn't have the faintest idea that ritual abuse and mind control is quite widespread, then I find his information extremely limited and no longer worth my time.
Nicely put supertzar, (and ES and kweli)
To believe that only the catholics carry out satanic ritual is only the partial truth.
It is rampant now,....... the media feeds on it....and who runs THAT!!!......
It goes hand in hand with mind control. The horror keeps being revealed to me. I never thought I could become as disgusted with my fellow man as I have become.
seanx
23-08-2008, 10:58 AM
It is extraordinary how closed and totally rigid the minds of
some posters here are.
RAW is a writer.
A writer!!!
His job is to look at things with new FRESH eyes and write
about them.
His job is to provoke you.
To get you thinking again after all our long years in the Elite's
education factory.
These are his ideas at the time. And as you read his books, like any
good writers, his ideas change, they mature as he reads, learns
and understands more.
So he is going to be right and wrong on a lot of things because
these are only his opinions.
But to say he's working for the 'other side', is just paranoidia gone mad!
He 's just a writer with an open-mind. So just read him as a great writer
and EXPLORER of ideas.
thirdwave
23-08-2008, 11:40 AM
His attitude that the existence of this kind of programming is bullshit.
"prometheus rising"
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Is a book based on how every single human being on the planet is mind programmed from birth and that our brains are like computers.... and goes into great detail about it and how one can try to reprogram him self... He also goes into detail about how methods used by the many powers around the world to brainwash people, including some being isolated and given drugs and so on...
He sees the programs as an 8-circuit model of human consciousness... the first circuit is what we have programmed the second we are born... he goes on to explain where the other circuits come from and how society has a huge impacted on who we are and what we download, so to speak....
So the fact you are accusing him of bullshitting the existence of mind programming is a tad bit confusing from where I sit....
But sadly the truth is, anyone who tries to express liberating info is going to be called a Satanist and attacked by a certain group, this is how it has allways been, but to completely ignore one of his most popular books on brainwashing and accuse him of scoffing at the idea?.. I just don't get.
My only conclusion is that you just compleatly don't get the guy.
supertzar
23-08-2008, 11:43 AM
Seanx, what you said is just like my friend saying "Dude, it's STAR WARS!" when I mention Illuminati symbolism in the film.
supertzar
23-08-2008, 11:49 AM
"prometheus rising"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Prometheus-Rising-Robert-Anton-Wilson/dp/1561840564
Is a book based on how every single human being on the planet is mind programmed from birth and that our brains are like computers.... and goes into great detail about it and how one can try to reprogram him self... He also goes into detail about how methods used by the many powers around the world to brainwash people, including some being isolated and given drugs and so on...
He sees the programs as an 8-circuit model of human consciousness... the first circuit is what we have programmed the second we are born... he goes on to explain where the other circuits come from and how society has a huge impacted on who we are and what we download, so to speak....
So the fact you are accusing him of bullshitting the existence of mind programming is a tad bit confusing from where I sit....
But sadly the truth is, anyone who tries to express liberating info is going to be called a Satanist and attacked by a certain group, this is how it has allways been, but to completely ignore one of his most popular books on brainwashing and accuse him of scoffing at the idea?.. I just don't get.
My only conclusion is that you just compleatly don't get the guy.
You don't "get" ritual abuse, do you? I'm talking about hardcore mind control on the most personal level. Society level programming is totally different. You sound so condescending.
asentinel
23-08-2008, 12:17 PM
His role is to cover up the real power structure in my opinion. Likeable and clever, but worked for the other side.
What I felt, when I saw him speak was that this person is trying very hard to get people to "look away", not follow their intuition and the punishment was shaming them into feeling stupid or lazy or inferior in some way. He is minimising, and promoting denial of something. His weapon is his intellect and satirical humour, sarcastic ridicule. Works a treat if you have a wounded ego. Play on. :D
thirdwave
23-08-2008, 12:22 PM
You don't "get" ritual abuse, do you? I'm talking about hardcore mind control on the most personal level. Society level programming is totally different. You sound so condescending.
its not condescending by intention... I just find what you are saying very odd.... with all honesty... I am just being genuine. You have put your cards down and have claimed a writer is a deceitful misleader, So I just assumed you have got your files all in place...
Regarding your comment on Scociety level being diforent... well thats just it.. no its not diforent... its just diforent extreams...as he goes into in great detail in this book.
He fully has explained how powers around the world use extreme mind programming and how its possible.
an example was some people I think in the middle east.. I cant remember the whole details on how he explained it but the general jist was how the first step is to take them away from there families and homes.... so there first circuit programming is cut off... and they are given opium and blind folded and placed in a very nice looking garden where there are sexy hookers all around them who sexually please them... and so on.... they are convinced they are in heaven ..so on...
how once people are taken away from the "first circuits" they only need to be rewarded with alternatives in order for them to feel at home again... and so on... and there are other extremes....
he goes very deeply into how the human mind can very easily and simply be re programmed to pretty much feel at home with anything...
So my tone is not intended to be a condescending one... but just a firm one as I feel you are way off the mark...
its fair enough you dont like the guy but to say he scoffs at the realism of mind programming used by the elites of the world where one of his most popular books is based on that then I would have to tell you off :)
supertzar
23-08-2008, 12:32 PM
I know about the eight circuit brain theory. I read Leary's Info-Psychology before you could read at all. Cosmic Trigger changed my life. I have a pretty good level of background knowledge, you could say.
Just carefully read the quote I posted. To paraphrase: "His theories are taken literally by hordes of Feminists and Fundamentalists" There are tons of other quotes where he rips on ritual abuse. I can laboriously trot them out or you can look for yourself. I'd prefer the latter, since "convincing" anyone of anything seems to be a losing battle.
thirdwave
23-08-2008, 12:43 PM
Seanx, what you said is just like my friend saying "Dude, it's STAR WARS!" when I mention Illuminati symbolism in the film.
But it gets to a point where no one can tell the difference between a real conspiracy and a load of hog wash...because people are too desperate to create a belief system for them selves...
this is how mind control works!!!
belief systems!, you fuck with them...
there for if you learn how to brake that mold, and no longer work within a belife system then you are free against the bullshit that is used to control!
this is where he is coming from
Ok so if you have seen stuff in Star Wars (very likely) what does that mean????
it can meant ANYTHING!.. it can mean that the costume designer is a Mason... it can mean anything, it could have been a mistake... it does not automatically mean that star wars is an illuminati film.... but hay, maybe it does.... do you really know???
Here is an example, you are saying that RAW is about making people less aware and so on... yet here you are expression frustration at not being able to convince your friend about Star Wars symboligy....
are you liberated by seeing this stuff?, no ok you are aware it exists around us... but you really know where all of it comes from, why its there and so on??
no.... so how can anyone possible create a belief system around it??
its like building a house on sinking sand.
RAW is not saying conspiracies are not around us... and he is not saying that crazy things are not going on.... he just things people get to caught up in them and get in knots... that we should focus on what's on our table and put that right rather than trying to make our belief system the best in town based on such vague and chaotic information...
let go of the belief system and they wont be able to tie people in knots with them... simple...
"belief is the death of intelligence"
think about that and what it is saying...
supertzar
23-08-2008, 01:13 PM
I try to avoid believing in anything if I can help it. You're preaching to the choir, thirdwave. It's the greatest thing I learned from RAW. I don't need to have that explained. I am talking about specific things that he said over and over about ritual abuse and deep mind control, not his general approach, which I tend to appreciate.
noewhan
30-10-2009, 03:55 AM
His role is to cover up the real power structure in my opinion. Likeable and clever, but worked for the other side.
Bump!
I'm listening to 'Robert Anton Wilson Explains Everything'... And I have picked out some things which somewhat frustrate me:
He claims he had 'weird genes' - which made him strange at a young age. (supporting eugenics to a degree.)
He participated in a 9 week 'ceremony' Novus Mind - Greek Mythology (9, number of the moon.
(Which originates from Kabalah mythology - but Robert links it to the Catholics.)
Believes that the universe is designed to destroy you.
Looked into the history of marijuana as a healing substance & protested for its legal use (I would agree, but no mention of oil even though he also claims to have researched ancient Chinese medicine.)
He claims to be the 'first' to oppose the Vietnam war, pro abortion & gay rights & believes he was the first to invent the theory that God is an 'it'.
(So, not even JFK didn't want the war?? Pro abortion - eugenics again? Gay rights? Whatever. God as non male or female... Hundreds if not thousands of year old theory.)
Believes that the 'Godess worship' has fallen & does not run in today's society - book: Ishtar rising
(When clearly it does.)
Believes that most wealthy people only want more money to feel as 'good' as another person with more money.
(Maybe, but I doubt that Mr Rockefeller really strives against Rothschild.)
Part Irish - doesn't know about his 'Hungarian , Jewish, Greek etc, south European... ...probably a descendant of Olaf the Black - Viking King who developed a tax based travel system.'
(Interesting.)
If he every writes the 'hidden volume' it would be 'based in 1766 Maples - 20** in a space colony' & 'same names would pop up. My own world which parallels with the real world.'
(Hmm, I wonder what those names are in the real world?)
Believes he was one of the first people to believe that some day we will be in space.
(C'mon, nothing is new. All sorts of cultures believed this, and some would say some humans are from space to begin off with.)
Believes that the internet is unbeatable
(Internet 2 might disagree.)
Alistair Crowley was a big influence. He practice some rituals - believes that Crowley did not believe the supernatural.
(Crowley was a twisted menace, and regretted the majority of his life near his end.)
There's going to be more. As much as I respect Robert... He doesn't go into all of the detail about a particular issue - i.e hemp oil. Maybe he wants people to look it up for themselves?
a true genius.
I concur.
Robert Anton Wilson knew what it is to know of which we all should know for which is known.
thirdwave
30-10-2009, 10:13 AM
I concur.
Robert Anton Wilson knew what it is to know of which we all should know for which is known.
I have just been checking out Timothy Leary, who was an influence to RAW, just ordered one of his books..
pessi_optimist
30-10-2009, 10:44 AM
"prometheus rising"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Prometheus-Rising-Robert-Anton-Wilson/dp/1561840564
Is a book based on how every single human being on the planet is mind programmed from birth and that our brains are like computers.... and goes into great detail about it and how one can try to reprogram him self...
He sees the programs as an 8-circuit model of human consciousness... the first circuit is what we have programmed the second we are born... he goes on to explain where the other circuits come from and how society has a huge impacted on who we are and what we download, so to speak....
Interestingly, the character Don juan Matus in the Carlos Castaneda books from the early 70's says the exact same thing-that we are 'programmed' from birth with a description of the world and we grow up believing it to be the only reality etc....he does it in an extremley simple and brief manner though, probably because the character is a Toltec Indian and doesn't make a fuss about such issues/theories that have been around for millenia's.
bobbydiva
30-10-2009, 12:51 PM
Yeah we are all stupid blah blah. Did I get to vote before I was in the womb?
glacidtek
30-10-2009, 12:56 PM
ALL HAIL ERIS!ALL HAIL DISCHORDIA!
for anyone who is disolusioned by RAW's psych/conspiracy/programming non-fiction....................
please take the time to read: ILLUMINATUS! by RAW and Anton Shea......
full on conspiracy sci-fi historical drug-induced time traveling FICTION.
x
eternal_spirit
30-10-2009, 01:13 PM
There's nothing new under the sun (true) just that things have been rearranged and changed by man and nature, man is part of nature and what man does is the nature of man. There is nothing that is unatural in this universe.
thirdwave
30-10-2009, 01:29 PM
There's nothing new under the sun (true) just that things have been rearranged and changed by man and nature, man is part of nature and what man does is the nature of man. There is nothing that is unatural in this universe.
steady on ES, your starting to make sense!
Go make your self a cuppa and have a sit down...
I have not readed RAW's material, but would I be right to assume that he was a man of common sense who didn't believe in every conspiracy theory out there? As in, a rarity in conspiracy-theory circles?
Can anyone tell me some of his most known ideas and such, so that I can decide whether to buy his books or not?
thirdwave
30-10-2009, 03:49 PM
I have not readed RAW's material, but would I be right to assume that he was a man of common sense who didn't believe in every conspiracy theory out there? As in, a rarity in conspiracy-theory circles?
Can anyone tell me some of his most known ideas and such, so that I can decide whether to buy his books or not?
from what I have read allot of his stuff is tongue and cheek, he knows the conspiracy world very well.
Anyone that has been in it for a long time can share his sarcasm and witt...
He is aware that shit is going down and he is aware of the spiritual oppression and the secrecy, he just does not conform to one set belief and view and feels doing so is submissive and makes your self easy prey to someone out there..
instead to take knowledge and be your self and look at the self.
the thing is with these peeps is they are old school as well, and they have not lived through the up dated events we have, and they were not Gods, so like all past people, they become less up to date of course and do not have as much insight as we have today... but its also interesting to see how things were seen back then!...
For example the conspiracy movement was much smaller in his day, they were no internet really... it was all very underground.... not like every tom dick and harry on the bandwagon through youtube today.
thirdwave, sounds very interesting! I will check him out after Im done reading other books. Or perhaps I can find some pdf-files somewhere. Hehehe...
ALL HAIL ERIS!ALL HAIL DISCHORDIA!
for anyone who is disolusioned by RAW's psych/conspiracy/programming non-fiction....................
please take the time to read: ILLUMINATUS! by RAW and Anton Shea......
full on conspiracy sci-fi historical drug-induced time traveling FICTION.
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One can take a glimpse at my avatar and know that I'm a fan of the Discordian Movement and RAW ;)
noewhan
31-10-2009, 02:46 AM
I wish he was still physically alive. But he sure isn't dead.
noewhan
19-11-2009, 03:46 PM
Sometimes I wonder though. Discordianism seems a bit odd.
Discordianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Philosophy
There are as many interpretations of Discordianism as there are Discordians, and several definitions of Discordianism on the Internet center around the words "Ancient Greeks", "Chaos Worship" and "Anarchism". This is an extremely debatable assertion of what would define Discordian philosophy as a whole.
Meh, just like every other religionism :)