Creatine?

[rebel]

I'm a weight lifter and wanted to know if anyone has any info on creatine. Is it good or bad for you? While working for GNC I heard the Monohydrate form can induce heart palpitation's. I also heard Creatine ethyl ester was the better form. It doesn't induce heart palpitation's and also unlike the Monohydrate form it doesn't cause an excessive amount of water retention in the body. This info coming from Edward A. Byrd the founder of CE2 and NO2 at a conference for GNC sales associate's a number of years back. Also any other suggestions on other sports nutrition products that aren't harmful.

[chris]

Well it won't make you the slightest bit stronger...It only insinuates that it might increase strength endurance...I tried it when I played basketball seriously but I didn't notice any difference...

[rebel]

Thanks for the info chris.

[steevo]

My mate tried creatine for a few months and said it was a complete waste of money. It aint cheap either. And god knows what they might be putting in the stuff. My advice would be to keep away from chemicals.

[csr21]

I found quite a noticable difference in strength and energy during my workouts when using creatine. I got the kind with mixed in carbs, so its easy to take, found the plain powder never dissolved right in juice or anthying. Everyones different so I dunno if it'll do the same for you, but its worked well for others I know also.
I've used EAS Phospagen HP and Maximuscle Creatamax, athough I'd probably go for the latter even though its a bit more expensive, as I've just found out that phospagen's got aspartame in it.

[exclamatio]

i currently use the cnp brand creatine in tablet form. personally i get really great results from it, my endurance is much better, i feel more explosive and recovery rate sped up too. i dont take it all the time but in the run up to a tournament or a fight i will get right on it when i start hammering the protein too

a fantastic suppliment that i swear by is the cnp pro recover, best protein i have ever used, brilliant results and i love the taste too. mixes really really well with water and the powder is really nice. bit more expensive than other brands but definately good stuff, most people i know that train regular use it with good results.

back to the creatine i know a few more people who had great results, some with minor and some with none. it seems in my observation over the years the results vary massively from one person to the next. id suggest trying it and record your results.

[markstephenson]

Creatine has worked wonders for me.

It boils down to using it correctly, people fail to realise that you have to load up on it for the first 2 weeks (4 scoops a day) then go into a standard one scoop a day for another 4 weeks, before taking a 2 week break.

Also get the real stuff and not the crappy "Holland & Barrett" grape flavoured crap, thats not pure creatine its just a cocktail of shite. Anything that is flavoured avoid like the plague.

If you really want to see some results get some CLA tablets

Conjuglated Linioc acid. The stuffs amazing.

Finally there is absoutely not one shread of scientific fact that creatine is harmful, if it was then the whole of Arsenal FC including the youth team wouldnt be on it.

[madthumbs]

As you're seeing, it works great for some and not so great for others. I'm sure there's health risks involved with ingesting Creatine Monohydrate. Some will be more sensitive to the side effects than others as well. Many put on ~5lbs fast, but that's water weight that you'll shed when you stop.

[magicmerlin]

It's not dangerous unless your have any pre-existing kidney problems. In fact, you'll find studies where creatine is implicated as being good for the brain, heart and alkilisation of the body. Personally, I do not respond very well to it, but other people clearly do. Have you tried beta alanine - it's better than creatine and you need only take it before a workout/exercise.

[klinker]

I'm a weight lifter and wanted to know if anyone has any info on creatine. Is it good or bad for you? While working for GNC I heard the Monohydrate form can induce heart palpitation's. I also heard Creatine ethyl ester was the better form. It doesn't induce heart palpitation's and also unlike the Monohydrate form it doesn't cause an excessive amount of water retention in the body. This info coming from Edward A. Byrd the founder of CE2 and NO2 at a conference for GNC sales associate's a number of years back. Also any other suggestions on other sports nutrition products that aren't harmful.

San V12 Turbo. ;)

[supertzar]

Drink a lot of water each day when you are taking it and you will be fine. Don't take too much. Research dosage levels - don't go by the suggested use on the packaging. If you can't drink lots of water, don't take it. That's my advice.

[sebastian]

Worthless s a supplement, overhyped , doesn'tdo anything.

It's brokeninto peptides by the liver before it has a chance to do anything...

Dianabol is the real creatine.

Ingestion will pointlessly load the liver with something it doesn't need

Again: worthless

http://photos3.hi5.com/0048/391/118/Jy2wBQ391118-02.jpg

[supertzar]

Yeah, fuck it. Just take steroids. :rolleyes:

[klinker]

Worthless s a supplement, overhyped , doesn'tdo anything.

It's brokeninto peptides by the liver before it has a chance to do anything...

Dianabol is the real creatine.

Ingestion will pointlessly load the liver with something it doesn't need

Again: worthless

http://photos3.hi5.com/0048/391/118/Jy2wBQ391118-02.jpg

Good separation there fella. You on a cut at the moment?

[sebastian]

Yeah, fuck it. Just take steroids. :rolleyes:

No dumbass . creatine is marketed as a substance that is supposed to do what dianabol does in real world.

However it does not do anything .

Nothing

Nada

I did not condone the use of roids so stop putting words in my mouth moron.

You are welcome for the free advice however :rolleyes:

[sebastian]

on a cut ?

Don't think I understand

If you mean i'm currently cutting , the answer is no...That's off season

[supertzar]

No dumbass . creatine is marketed as a substance that is supposed to do what dianabol does in real world.

However it does not do anything .

Nothing

Nada

I did not condone the use of roids so stop putting words in my mouth moron.

You are welcome for the free advice however :rolleyes:

OMG!!! Nobody thinks creatine is going to do what a steroid does. Even the companies don't go that far with their hype. If someone tried to say that they would be ridiculed. Call me what you want. It's not going to bother me.

[psych641]

My info is several years out of date, but IIRC all creatine comes from about 4 labs. The german one is a lot cleaner with significantly less contaminants (!!of unknown safety!!) I think myprotein.co.uk market it as 'creapure'.

I thought it helped, but who knows.. One advantage for hypertrophy (where strength isnt really that important anyway - see HST) is that it causes increased muscular retention of water - making them look bigger. Of course its sucking up water from elsewhere so we had to drink loads to avoid getting a persistant thirst. If you dont remember to replace that extra water then it probably is bad for you.

[psych641]

btw on a related note; calcium caseinate (slow protein, will be in many blends) contains MSG & whey may contain MSG

[auroral_iris]

i suggest you concentrate more on strengthening your mind body and soul not just your body...this materialistic big muscle syndrome is crap..having strength is one thing.. the majority of SMART females dont find muscles bulging everywhere attractive only the slutty club hopping whores..dont take any "sups" do it naturally..go to yoga..meditate..run..think with your brain not youre cock

[madthumbs]

i suggest you concentrate more on strengthening your mind body and soul not just your body...this materialistic big muscle syndrome is crap..having strength is one thing.. the majority of SMART females dont find muscles bulging everywhere attractive only the slutty club hopping whores..dont take any "sups" do it naturally..go to yoga..meditate..run..think with your brain not youre cock

How do you strengthen your soul?

Attraction to muscles has a relationship to intelligence? -You have studies to back it up?

Yoga is intertwined with religion.

As far as what to think with? - I'm going to do what ultimately makes me happy. I live in the physical world and have no need or reason to feel like I'm above enjoying good old sexual intercourse.

[psych641]

i suggest you concentrate more on strengthening your mind body and soul not just your body..

Why do you assume the 2 are mutually exclusive? And then assume a primarily sexual motive for bodybuilding? why not put aside your predujices & instead take the opportunity to ask these guys & find out what motivates them? :)

[klinker]

on a cut ?

Don't think I understand

If you mean i'm currently cutting , the answer is no...That's off season

I'm interested in your approach to dieting and changes to training routine.

When you cut how many calories do you reduce your daily intake by? Or do you simply do more cardio? Do you low carb or at least carb deplete? Do you cycle carbs/calories between high and low? Do you have a cheat day?

By the way I have to disagree with you about creatine but I do accept that like everything else it does not work for everybody. However there is a great deal of hype and bullshit out there from the supplement companies.

[klinker]

i suggest you concentrate more on strengthening your mind body and soul not just your body...this materialistic big muscle syndrome is crap..having strength is one thing.. the majority of SMART females dont find muscles bulging everywhere attractive only the slutty club hopping whores..dont take any "sups" do it naturally..go to yoga..meditate..run..think with your brain not youre cock

If I thought with my cock all the time I would get nothing done albeit I'd possibly be having quite a good time. ;)

Exercise also strengthens the mind and your comment about women is quite the insult not to mention way off the mark. Your opinion seems to pigeon hole anyone who likes to lift weights without any thought as to why people lift weights in the first place. I lift weights not because I am a body builder but because of the physical sports that I do. I'm 6 foot and 210 lbs and need to maintain that weight and a body composition that keeps my body fat low. Others have different reasons.

[auroral_iris]

How do you strengthen your soul?

Attraction to muscles has a relationship to intelligence? -You have studies to back it up?

Yoga is intertwined with religion.

As far as what to think with? - I'm going to do what ultimately makes me happy. I live in the physical world and have no need or reason to feel like I'm above enjoying good old sexual intercourse.


you can strengthen your soul in many ways..infact i was just in whistler by my self for a week...i hiked all around the mountains..meditated on the peak of the glacier ..it was a surreal experience and i connected deep within myself..i'm sorry you don't have the patience or mind to wrap around anything more than your tricep extension and your daily supplement routine..read a book like the lens of perception or davids infinite love is the only truth everything else is illousion..and youll get the jist.

as far as attraction to muscles having relationship to intelligence, maybe you could open your eyes..just for one day and come to a realization that the females who are initially attracted to men who have big bulging muscles..the ones who cant stop flexing and looking at themselves in the mirror and whos lifes revolve around their body building..are quite primal same goes for the women who persue them..so lets backtrack, a girl who is INITIALLY attracted not from the mans intelligence, his character, his aura but by the way he looks...has one thing on her mind..she wants to fuck him, not make love - fuck and the shallow people who think that all their is to a relationship is sex, in my mind, lack intelligence. heres a little experiment for you, next time you see a man whos life clearly revolves around perfecting his physique..if he has a woman with him..notice what shes wearing..and how much time she puts into going out with him..especially if its at the gym..why do you need to look perfect to workout, you dont they are just material people who will probably go home and read people magazine and actually give a shit about celebrities lifes. then turn on the tv and watch gossip girl or big brother.

yes thanks, im aware that yoga is derived from hinduism and buddhism..that doesnt mean that i am a hindu or a buddist. it is a physical and mental discipline and i use it to awaken my chakras and help keep me healthy and vital. many spiritual people who take part in no religions practice yoga..even people in other religions practice yoga, i know plenty of silly christians who do

and last..if you want sex to be just a physical experience..enjoy..sex is great but thinking with your penis isnt going to get you far...i enjoy being in love.

and just an add-in...i'm not trying to generalize Everyone who works out..i workout but i dont take supplements i think they are rediculous..and i know plenty of people whose lifes do revolve around "hitting the gym" and they are extremely nice people but couldnt have an intelligent conversation if their life depended on it

[mynameis]

I think it works. Loading phase for creatine sux, but then it drops off. It can affect the kidneys for a short time, so drink it without any citric acid and stay hydrated. You need to use it daily before workouts to keep up the minumum dosage. Creatine is the same substance found in steak meat and shark cartilage from what I've read. There's a good sources here:

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/creatine/loading-creatine-use.htm

http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/creatine%20myths%20and_facts.htm

Give yourself time to recover between lifting and you should be ok. Eat lots of protein or you'll slim muscle down. If you use shakes then you should watch your calorie intake to accommodate what you normally eat.

I thought it helped, but who knows.. One advantage for hypertrophy (where strength isnt really that important anyway - see HST) is that it causes increased muscular retention of water - making them look bigger. Of course its sucking up water from elsewhere so we had to drink loads to avoid getting a persistant thirst. If you dont remember to replace that extra water then it probably is bad for you.

This is what I've heard also. Water is needed for energy production and protein will increase muscle mass on creatine with regular work outs.

[megafish33]

I use it and it works for me. It depends if you're a responder or not. Just use the monohydrate, and no you don't really have to "load." There's also a reason as to why many supplements are called "the next creatine." That's because creatine has already been proven effective to those that respond.

With that said, I think you can see better results from proper pre-,peri-,and post-workout supplements. As someone stated, beta-alanine works very well, of course, it's more expensive too. If I had to pick one form of nutrient intervention too keep while dropping the others I'd have to say that I'd keep my post-workout shake. Mine consists of high glycemic carbs, hydrosylated whey, creatine, a high ORAC superfood blend, and most importantly, clean spring water.

It would be nice if there was a miracle supplement, I guess... Well, we can't just take some powder or pop some tablets and expect them to do the work for us. Proper training, meal planning, and rest&recovery are all far more anabolic than anything that doesn't come in a syringe-and hey, you get to keep your balls. :) Remember: Squat, EAT, sleep & GROW. :cool:

[megafish33]

No dumbass . creatine is marketed as a substance that is supposed to do what dianabol does in real world.


No it's not.

[markstephenson]

...only the slutty club hopping whores..

Good, I only do my "Curls for the girls" anyway:cool:.

[malkor]

The only thing it did for me was change the color of my shit.

[alrick888]

It is unfortunate bodybuilding has gotten a bad reputation because of some its more shady one-braincell type characters. :o It doesn't deserve that reputation.

Having a stronger, more muscular body can be an important boost to both your self-esteem and confidence.

That being said, I still don't know if creatine is a pre- or post-workout supplement. I thought it was for after, but now I hear it is to be taken before.

A tip: creatine mixes very well with apple juice.

[magicmerlin]

i suggest you concentrate more on strengthening your mind body and soul not just your body...this materialistic big muscle syndrome is crap..having strength is one thing.. the majority of SMART females dont find muscles bulging everywhere attractive only the slutty club hopping whores..dont take any "sups" do it naturally..go to yoga..meditate..run..think with your brain not youre cock

Bodybuilding does not have to be about outward growth and materialistic gain - it's also about inner peace, confidence and spiritual growth. Most serious natural bodybuilders find a meditative quality about training - and of course good nutrition. Believe me, if more of today's young people considered natural, holistic bodybuilding, they'd be a lot better off.

Healthy body - healthy mind - healthy soul?

There have been some very spiritually aware and astute bodybuilders (and still are). Beleive me, if you have the focus and and will do lift heavy weights in exercises such as squats and deadlifts, you'll actually find an incredible inner peace and tranquility, something that to me - edges me out of my 'trained' mind and into a new realm (almost as if the shackles of control have been blown away). One huge benefit of lifting (very) heavy weights is the fact that to do so you need total mental focus on the task - there is simple no possibility of thinking about your problems, stress, or what's on TV. For me, this is one of the 'secret' pleasures of life which most people will never experience. The clarrity acheived after genuine training is also ideal for enetering a meditative state.

[creamspyder]

Well said magicmerlin. That was a most interesting, and well put description of body building. Thank you, I enjoyed reading it, and have learned from it also.

[sebastian]

Bodybuilding does not have to be about outward growth and materialistic gain - it's also about inner peace, confidence and spiritual growth. Most serious natural bodybuilders find a meditative quality about training - and of course good nutrition. Believe me, if more of today's young people considered natural, holistic bodybuilding, they'd be a lot better off.

Healthy body - healthy mind - healthy soul?

There have been some very spiritually aware and astute bodybuilders (and still are). Beleive me, if you have the focus and and will do lift heavy weights in exercises such as squats and deadlifts, you'll actually find an incredible inner peace and tranquility, something that to me - edges me out of my 'trained' mind and into a new realm (almost as if the shackles of control have been blown away). One huge benefit of lifting (very) heavy weights is the fact that to do so you need total mental focus on the task - there is simple no possibility of thinking about your problems, stress, or what's on TV. For me, this is one of the 'secret' pleasures of life which most people will never experience. The clarrity acheived after genuine training is also ideal for enetering a meditative state.
I was a top amateur bodybuilder .


There is no NATURAL bodybuilding ...


bODYBUILDING IS ABOUT HORMONES, CORTICO STEROIDS, AND MORE HORMONES


There is NOTHING natural about bb.....NOTHING WHATSOEVER

whomever tells you diff is lieing

[tejas]

Im not an expert, but I have used creatine and for me at least I noticed some sharp gains in strenght so I dunno, try it out for yourself and see, I dont think there are any major side effects

[auroral_iris]

i have nothing against staying fit and active i live a Very active lifestyle...but supplements are garbage for materialistic people

[supertzar]

How judgemental!

[madthumbs]

How judgemental!

Is it not true? Can you respond without being emotional?

[supertzar]

It's not really worth a response. Supplements are garbage for materialistic people? What can you say to that? It's an extremely judgemental, holier-than-thou attitude. That's my opinion of this opinion. It reeks of egotism, not spirituality.

[madthumbs]

It just sounds like you're ashamed of being materialistic. Why care? - Oh because materialism goes hand in hand with self worth, so other people's opinion of you weighs heavily. The only reason people care to keep up with the Joneses is because the Joneses are there, but how does their presence physically affect you if you are oblivious to them?

[supertzar]

Whether a person is materialistic or not is a matter of opinion. Based on what I have said, why do you think it sounds like I am materialistic and ashamed of it, madthumbs?

[madthumbs]

Whether a person is materialistic or not is a matter of opinion. Based on what I have said, why do you think it sounds like I am materialistic and ashamed of it, madthumbs?

You care too much about what people think. People acquire material because they care about the impression it has on others. This materialism is taught at an early age in statements such as: "show grandma what you got for your birthday".

[supertzar]

I would say that the statement I was commenting on is overly judgemental of others whether I took supplements or not. I don't care if some jerk lumps me into a derogatory little category in his mind. I generally object to expressions of ignorant intolerance wherever I find them.

[madthumbs]

Most people are materialistic. It's not like they called you sheeple. They could have used the word competitive, but that wouldn't have inspired self reflection as much.

[supertzar]

Maybe I am materialistic, maybe I'm not. It's all relative with an opinion like that. Anyway, I think it is stupid to equate supplements with materialistic garbage.