Anunaki: Sumerian stories of Gods

[archangel]

Are there any individuals here who have a very good back ground on this topic? There are some questions that I have and can not find the answers to them.

[lumukanda]

well, ask the questions, i've got a basic knowledge, but i know there are some here who know quite a bit on the subject.
post 'em up here, maybe some of us are asking the same questions.

[archangel]

ok

I'll take em one question at a time.

in the Sumerian tablets the two main rulers of earth were Enlil and Enki. These brothers ended up having a falling out. It is to my understanding that Enlil Became Yaweh, The god the the Jews and also the christians I would presume. And Enki became known as Baal, Lucifer, etc.

The problem I have having a hard time understand is in all of these stories Enlil/Yaweh is the ruthless one. Hateful of man for the most part not wanting them to be any thing more than slave who could not reproduce and thought of them as animals.

And it was Enki, who loved man and always wanted to show him things, help them, and ultimately save them from the flood.

So if Enki/Lucifer,stands for and goodness why do his followers do such evil with in the world?

and if Enlil/Yaweh is the evil one, why do MOST jew and christians fundementaly stand for goodness?

It seems that Enki should be the good God and Enlil the Evil but the actions of their followers indicate otherwise.

Very confusing.

[lumukanda]

good question, i though about that myself, when i was younger i used to wonder if at some point in time good and evil weren't maybe switched around, and we never knew about it.

the thing is, i've always thought that lucifer had a bad rap, but one could also say that enki actually enslaved us in the first place and by creating us, changing our DNA, he put into motion the beginnings of our fall from being properly connected to the universe, and then further teaching us about how to be civilized, he kind of put the last nail in that coffin. and saving us from the flood? maybe he was just saving a project he was proud of, one he couldn't bear to see die off.

i'm just not sure that we can compare enki with lucifer and yaweh and enlil without a shadow of a doubt, perhaps things are not as black and white as they seem to be, after all, if these guys were mortal, and had emotions etc etc, each would be a half good/half bad character, like any of us, and there are simply good elements of the one and bad elements of the other included in the texts.

i just don't know if we can make the connection to enki and lucifer, i mean he is said to live in the 'underworld'm, the absu, but i see that as him living somewhere far away, my guess is southern africa, because of the mention of mining of gold and the creation of man, it just makes sense to me.

but you know, at the end of the day we could have had those texts written by a pro enki faction, but the dominat faction eventually became the enlilian one, so we have stories of a great guy, but told he's bad because he's enemy is in 'power'.

i dunno, i may be way off the mark here, but i will give it more thought.

[archangel]

but you know, at the end of the day we could have had those texts written by a pro enki faction, but the dominat faction eventually became the enlilian one, so we have stories of a great guy, but told he's bad because he's enemy is in 'power'.

i dunno, i may be way off the mark here, but i will give it more thought.

Good point. I've thought this too.

But you know I've read some very compelling information that Enlil is in fact Yaweh and Enki Lucifer. The author who I've read this from escapes me but I can dig it up if wish. He compares the religions of many different culturs and they just have different names for the Gods.

I dont think Enki was the one who enslaved us. From what I gathered it was pretty much a mutual agreement to create us. Enil got upset when Enki gave use the ability to reproduce and when he tried to teach man knowledge.

Maybe Enkie/Enlil are dead but I'm sure they bloodlines live it. But Enlil and Enki still would live in spirit form regardless. It was very clear the sumerian tales that there was Enlilian group and Enki decentants such as marduk, etc. so even if the are dead their principals are probably carried on by their bloodlines.

Yaweh's chosen people are the 12 tribes of israel who he made a covenant with

we also always hear about the 13 satanic bloodlines (who do these belong to? Enki I would presume). I believe these are the royal blood lines in Europe correct??? My memory is a little bit hazy right now

I've read that Hitler hated the Jews b/c he apposed their God yahweh. and that the aryan/Nordic race was the chosen race of the gods who shared the most DNA similarities with the gods of other races. I'm not exactly sure how this fits in with the above.

But If you study Hitler and the occult they definately corelated God/Demons/spirits with aliens who they allegedly were making contact with. There is also information of Hitler summoning Lucifer.

[basilbrook]

I recently read a very very good book on this

slave species of god

go to www.slavespecies.com to view the first chapter and some background info

[lumukanda]

i've read that book, i don't agree with lots of what's written in it, but the basic outline of the sumerians is quite accurate, of course if you really want to sink your teeth into the whole sumerian thing, sitchin, he may be suspect, but there is so much info there.

[archangel]

basilbrook

Did you learn anything regarding the questions I posed?

Zacharia Sitchen. I think his books are good but he definatley holds back, doens't tell the whole story, and down right tries to deceive people about some things. He is linked to certain secret societies and is a Jew.

I'm surprised he tells as much as he does. He definately holds back much more than others in his field who are not as well known. I believe he is afraid on what peoples reaction would be if they knew everything and also afraid of the anti-sematic effect and religious uproar it woud cause

[basilbrook]

One interesting thing mentioned in the book is the claim that jews are descendants of arabs!!!!!

Now, if true, that would certainly put the cats amongst the pigeons.

Also, a good liar will reveal part truths.

I do find the ideas floated very interesting. I've tried to read one of Sitchins books i got from the library, It was about direct translations of the clay cuniform tablets that have only been translated within the last 30 years and Sitchinc is allegedly the 'expert' in this field.

At the end of the day we all make up our own minds based on the info we have. Bit like religion really, only thing is do we have all the correct facts??

[lumukanda]

sitchin does hold back, if you're looking for explanations, but he does a good job of just laying it out, which i kind of prefer to a degree, you're free to work on it yourself, make up your own mind. it's a good start if nothing else.

[tired of being lied to]

Hello to all.

I have just signed up to the forum, but have been an avid fan for what David is trying to do for a while. Seen most of his videos, read books etc.

I have seen this post on the Anunaki and have recently been reading up on Sitchins books and I love all his info on ancient history. I have read the first book 'the 12th planet', the lost book of enki, the stairway to heaven, and have just started the 'lost realms'. I also feel a connection to the Egyption, incas, maya's civiliations. I am so over the lies we have all been told about where we came from, even though the bible does state things that are relatively based on deceit and out right lies painted as the truth!!!

One burning question that comes to mind recently is, if we were created by the Anunaki out of a genetic 'milk shake' of sorts and became human, I am puzzled about where we stand in the spiritual scheme of things?

What I am asking is where did our spiritual essence come from if we were just made by another 3rd dimentional being in a test tube of sorts?

Were we just awaiting in the spiritual realm for the chance to become incarnate in a 3rd dimentional body?

I read somewhere in the Flower of Life books (Drunvalo Melchizedek) that our creation also had something to do with the guys on the star system sirius?

Any help would be most appreciated.
(Boy from the Bush in good old Australia)

[basilbrook]

Archangel wrote

''I've read that Hitler hated the Jews b/c he apposed their God yahweh. and that the aryan/Nordic race was the chosen race of the gods who shared the most DNA similarities with the gods of other races. I'm not exactly sure how this fits in with the above.''

Actually Hitler was 1/2 jewish himself and never had a problem with jews up until his political career took off. Then, he used the national distrust of jews by the electorate to further advance his political career.

Thats what I've read anyway:) :) :)

[lumukanda]

Hello to all.

I have just signed up to the forum, but have been an avid fan for what David is trying to do for a while. Seen most of his videos, read books etc.

I have seen this post on the Anunaki and have recently been reading up on Sitchins books and I love all his info on ancient history. I have read the first book 'the 12th planet', the lost book of enki, the stairway to heaven, and have just started the 'lost realms'. I also feel a connection to the Egyption, incas, maya's civiliations. I am so over the lies we have all been told about where we came from, even though the bible does state things that are relatively based on deceit and out right lies painted as the truth!!!

One burning question that comes to mind recently is, if we were created by the Anunaki out of a genetic 'milk shake' of sorts and became human, I am puzzled about where we stand in the spiritual scheme of things?

What I am asking is where did our spiritual essence come from if we were just made by another 3rd dimentional being in a test tube of sorts?

Were we just awaiting in the spiritual realm for the chance to become incarnate in a 3rd dimentional body?

I read somewhere in the Flower of Life books (Drunvalo Melchizedek) that our creation also had something to do with the guys on the star system sirius?

Any help would be most appreciated.
(Boy from the Bush in good old Australia)

hey man, welcome to the forum.
i'm inclined to think that our soul, for lack of a better word, is what animates this bag of flesh and bone we live in, so no matter how were created, if you're moving, you're attached to the universe.
however, this can be stilted or stopped, i think that was part of what was done to us, our 'wiring' was messed about with, i think it all boils down to how much of it is connected, some are very connected, others less so, but that spiritual potential exists within every living thing.

[yvonne]

I was going to say that I just finished the book "End Of Days" by Zecharia Sitchin that talked about this stuff....But save your money, he is a horrible writer and seems to be grasping at straws throughout his whole book.

The people on here probably know more then he does!

[tired of being lied to]

hey man, welcome to the forum.
i'm inclined to think that our soul, for lack of a better word, is what animates this bag of flesh and bone we live in, so no matter how were created, if you're moving, you're attached to the universe.
however, this can be stilted or stopped, i think that was part of what was done to us, our 'wiring' was messed about with, i think it all boils down to how much of it is connected, some are very connected, others less so, but that spiritual potential exists within every living thing.

Thanks for the welcome,:D I'm realy only just begining this whole "Changing my perception on things" from a very strict church background. But I thank my lucky stars that I am now begining to wake up from the whole lie, slowly. There is just so much re-programing to be done. 30 yrs of lies. I suppose at least I am switching on now HEY!!!

I maybe a few stubbies short of a 6 pack, but I dont believe that I understand your reply?

I understand that spiritual potential exists in every living thing, and from what am beginning to understand, what we as humans are capable of really scares these guys controlling things, hence the attempts to misguide us from our potential. But when did the sole enter into our creation from this test tube. If its said that we exist on other levels of consiousness at the same time as living on this 3rd dimension, does this mean that we really dont exist here, our true essence lives elsewhere, and if this is so, then I suppose I understand that some of the wiring got mixed up when we chose to become part of this 3rd dimension????

I may not make sense, but I hope to get to the bottom of this.

Thanks Lumukanda

[tired of being lied to]

I was going to say that I just finished the book "End Of Days" by Zecharia Sitchin that talked about this stuff....But save your money, he is a horrible writer and seems to be grasping at straws throughout his whole book.

The people on here probably know more then he does!

You are probable right Yvonne!

Thats why I finally decided to join up so that 'a problem shared is a problem soved' so to speak.

I suppose the best is to put it out there and see if someone as an opinion on something that is close to my heart.

The reason that Sitchin appeals to me so much is that he provides ideas (possibly not true, but still) on things that have interested me for a long time.

I have always loved the Egyption's etc, but I also like the fact that, based on the church background (that no doubt every one here has their own story on why they turned their back on organised religion!) he also offers a historical version on what the bible or booble states about something. i'e, I never thought that when the bible spoke of "THE LORD" that It could have been refering to our makers from another planet, NIBIRU!

I can tell you that the day I 'woke up' I could not believe we have been lied to all along. Just goes to show how the church makes you into a 'sheep' and creates a 'faithful' group of questionless followers able to be told anything based on faith and it is accepted as "The word of God"!!

Chears:D

(PS. time here in OZ is 8:50pm 2/5/07 - or is that 5/2/07 depending on where you are from)

[lumukanda]

Thanks for the welcome,:D I'm realy only just begining this whole "Changing my perception on things" from a very strict church background. But I thank my lucky stars that I am now begining to wake up from the whole lie, slowly. There is just so much re-programing to be done. 30 yrs of lies. I suppose at least I am switching on now HEY!!!

I maybe a few stubbies short of a 6 pack, but I dont believe that I understand your reply?

I understand that spiritual potential exists in every living thing, and from what am beginning to understand, what we as humans are capable of really scares these guys controlling things, hence the attempts to misguide us from our potential. But when did the sole enter into our creation from this test tube. If its said that we exist on other levels of consiousness at the same time as living on this 3rd dimension, does this mean that we really dont exist here, our true essence lives elsewhere, and if this is so, then I suppose I understand that some of the wiring got mixed up when we chose to become part of this 3rd dimension????

I may not make sense, but I hope to get to the bottom of this.

Thanks Lumukanda

hey, man maybe i didn't understand your question, i'm inclined to think that we are all part of a great body of energy, let's use an ocean as an analogy, the ocean would be the sum total of all consciousness in the universe, we would be the drops that make up that ocean. in many ways, we are a vehicle of experience for that energy, so we divided ourselves and went forth into the universe, some say in the beginning we kind of travelled at will, some ended up on earth.
at a certain point, the density of earth changed, it become more dense, heavier, i've heard talk of atlantean magicians become tainted with dark energy and through their actions this density occured, i think this what is meant by 'the fall of man'.
now the result of this was that all souls within the sphere of the earth became trapped, now we talk of entities from other dimensions, i think that refers to the fact that earth doesn't have just one dimension, despite it's denseness, but that ultmately all souls within the dimensions of the earth are ultimately trapped, some may be able to move around a bit, but nothing like what it was like before.
of course some say all souls that are here chose to stay, that may well be true, but i don't think all did.
anyway, i hope that helps you out a bit, i mean there's no way for me to verify any of this, it just feels kind of right to me.

[tired of being lied to]

hey, man maybe i didn't understand your question, i'm inclined to think that we are all part of a great body of energy, let's use an ocean as an analogy, the ocean would be the sum total of all consciousness in the universe, we would be the drops that make up that ocean. in many ways, we are a vehicle of experience for that energy, so we divided ourselves and went forth into the universe, some say in the beginning we kind of travelled at will, some ended up on earth.
at a certain point, the density of earth changed, it become more dense, heavier, i've heard talk of atlantean magicians become tainted with dark energy and through their actions this density occured, i think this what is meant by 'the fall of man'.
now the result of this was that all souls within the sphere of the earth became trapped, now we talk of entities from other dimensions, i think that refers to the fact that earth doesn't have just one dimension, despite it's denseness, but that ultmately all souls within the dimensions of the earth are ultimately trapped, some may be able to move around a bit, but nothing like what it was like before.
of course some say all souls that are here chose to stay, that may well be true, but i don't think all did.
anyway, i hope that helps you out a bit, i mean there's no way for me to verify any of this, it just feels kind of right to me.

Yes that helps.

Could this be where David talks about the matrix and that even though we die we are still trapped in this matrix in a spirit for of sorts?

[tinmenace]

Hey, I know a little bit about the Anunnaki. I've read several books. I'm a bit rushed for time right now but I'll come back and look at your questions later on and see if I know the answers (according to my sources) to any of them.

I do want to say that I don't believe that one went on to become Yahweh and the other Lucifer. It is my understanding that they were known as god(s), because they had created man in their own image (where have we heard that before?) by mixing their own DNA with humanoid DNA (in a series of experiments). The Anunnaki, from what I can tell had incredible longivity (immortality perhaps) and in fact Ra - The Egyptian sun god was Marduk (Enki's firstborn son) under a different name.

Just like we see the royal bloodlines change names, in modern day, depending on whom married who, and what ever, the Anunnaki did the same thing. So, often we're reading about the same person but just under a different name. Just like Inanna/Ischtar/Isis. All the same person, and incredibly thousands of years apart.

It's a very interesting line of questions.

[lumukanda]

yeah, i thats how i interpret it anyway. the thing to remember is that because we all come from the same source ulitmately, we all actually know this, it's kind of a matter of snapping everyone out of the trance we find ourselves in. it's a tall order, but one i'm sure we will all realise at some point.

[tired of being lied to]

Hey, I know a little bit about the Anunnaki. I've read several books. I'm a bit rushed for time right now but I'll come back and look at your questions later on and see if I know the answers (according to my sources) to any of them.

I do want to say that I don't believe that one went on to become Yahweh and the other Lucifer. It is my understanding that they were known as god(s), because they had created man in their own image (where have we heard that before?) by mixing their own DNA with humanoid DNA (in a series of experiments). The Anunnaki, from what I can tell had incredible longivity (immortality perhaps) and in fact Ra - The Egyptian sun god was Marduk (Enki's firstborn son) under a different name.

Just like we see the royal bloodlines change names, in modern day, depending on whom married who, and what ever, the Anunnaki did the same thing. So, often we're reading about the same person but just under a different name. Just like Inanna/Ischtar/Isis. All the same person, and incredibly thousands of years apart.

It's a very interesting line of questions.


I look forward to the reply.

Time doesnt work for us some times and I know that It will be long and far between posts as I cant get on here all the time:)

[tired of being lied to]

yeah, i thats how i interpret it anyway. the thing to remember is that because we all come from the same source ulitmately, we all actually know this, it's kind of a matter of snapping everyone out of the trance we find ourselves in. it's a tall order, but one i'm sure we will all realise at some point.

I remember David talking about the lake and a glass of water but forgot till you mentioned that response.

Will will mull it all over in my head and see if it locks into place somewhere!

[lumukanda]

i did some light research into my theory that the absu mentioned in the stories of the annunaki is actually southern africa. i believe that the gold used in ancient egypt came from southern africa, and that this interaction went on way before the egyptians.

the gold mining of south africa is Johannesburg, the thing is, no one really knows who this Johannes is. i did a bit of digging and found links between enki and john, here is a summary :

"In Greek, John's name is Ioannes, the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew name Johanan.

Curiously Ioannes resembles the Greek for the pagan god Ea, [Enki] the God of the House of Water -- sweet refreshing water, not briny sea water -- which is Oannes. More curiously, Oannes pronounced in Aramaic would come out close to Enosh!

"Now Oannes was a savior god of the Babylonians -- the god who saved mankind from the flood by warning the Babylonian Noah about it, allowing him to build an ark.

Either the early Christians have given the Baptist an appropriate name of the gods with whom educated Greeks were familiar, or the Jews had already made these associations.

"Johanan is always given as meaning the ‘Grace of God’ but it is a name which appears only in scriptural books written after the return from Babylonian exile, notably Chronicles. It seems that the name Johanan actually was brought back from exile with the returning priests. Johanan therefore is Oannes in Hebrew and the meaning Grace of God was devised for it later.

Thus John the Baptist was given the name Johanan precisely because his duty was that of the god, Oannes.

He had to save mankind by warning of the coming judgement to allow the righteous to repent and survive into God's Kingdom."

now i began to wonder, what if johanessburg was actually meant to be enki-burg? it makes a lot of sense, not far from there is a place called sun city (!?) built by the south africa millionaire sol (sun in latin) kerzner, and credo mutwa speaks at length about disappearances in that area.
also interesting is the ancient city of Zima-Mbje, now called great zimbabwe, where mutwa says trading has taken place since time immemorial.
anyway, in hope i didn't go too much off topic, but i thought some peeps might find it interesting.

[tinmenace]

No way, wow! That is very interesting, especially the Johannes connection.

[archangel]

I will post the link about Yaweh/Enlil once I get it off my Dad.

One think I think everyone should understand though is that Yaweh is just an extra-terrestrial as well; Wheter He be an Anunaki/Enlil/ or some higher form of alien than the Anunaki. Furthermore, He said his chosen people were 12 tribes of Israel to whom he made a covenant. So none of us matter to him.

I also believe all living things have a soul if thats what you want to call it. According to quatum physics that makes the most sense.

I went to the bookstore and was going to buy Z. Sitchens End of Days. But knowing how much he holds back and skimming through his book I realized he didnt' want to tell people the truth.

As far as Hitler, I'm not so sure he was Half Jew although I've heard this claim. what does one mean by Jewish anyway? Do you mean he was Israeli or of the Jewish Faith? Jewish is a religion not a nationality. In his youth, he was raised christian but then learned of Occult Knowledge and abandoned it. He definately had an occult hatred for Jews and their God Yaweh.

[basilbrook]

Archangel, see link re Hitlers Jewich ancestery!!! Tne name Rothschild is involed !!! Its about half way down the article.

http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-2/adolf-hitler.htm

[archangel]

Rothschild is one of the big names in the supposed 13 satanic Illuminati blood lines. I'm sure this has something to do with the Zionism movement.

[lumukanda]

yes, i think the rothschilds were one of the banking groups financing the nazis, actually they were probably financing both sides.
it was also these families that refused to pay for the release of jews in europe, the nazis offered them the chance to buy the freedom of many jews in eastern europe, but they were turned down, live jews make it so much harder to tug at peoples consciences when it comes to doing what you want and calling anyone who objects anti-semetic.

[lumukanda]

No way, wow! That is very interesting, especially the Johannes connection.

you don't think it's a bit of a stretch? sometimes i wonder if i just don't see what i want to.

[tinmenace]

Don't doubt yourself, Bud. After all, truth is stranger than fiction.

[phoenix1]

If anyone wants More on The Annuna read this (its been revised since) but its a good read. (Bottom link also posted in Reptillians)


Flying Serpents and Dragons : A History of Mankinds Reptillian Past


OK that looks ok then as that versio is not in print now so heres the link to the book and very good it is too Ref AdamicRace/Annuna/Annunaki/Sumer/ blah blah

This book wes writen my Renee A Boulasy who worked in senitive areas of the NSA As a Cryptographer amongst other things ..and as such he is an INSIDER OK

here's the link to the e-book (hope excepions are made) as it is NOT in breach of copywright,.....People need to know anyway. It expands extensivly on David Ickes angle.

I have the hard copy and its a great read. I read it some time ago but it was a great read.

Chapters


Contents

· Prologue - Why Were The Ancient Gods So Shy?

· Chapter 1 - Arrival Of The Proto-Sumerians - The Ancient Astronauts

· Chapter 2 - The Antediluvian Cities And Their Purpose

· Chapter 3 - Physical Conditions Before The Deluge

· Chapter 4 - The Old Testament Begins At Sumer

· Chapter 5 - The Creation Of Man And The "Fall"

· Chapter 6 - The Serpent-Gods And Immortality

· Chapter 7 - Dragons And Serpent-Gods In World Mythology

· Chapter 8 - The Patriarchs, Demi-Gods Of The Antediluvian Period

· Chapter 9 - The Rephaim - Warrior-Gods Of The Western Lands

· Chapter 10 - The Deluge And Other Problems Of Chronology

· Chapter 11 - The Sky-Chariots And Boats Of Heaven - The Vehicles Of The Ancient Astronauts

· Chapter 12 - The Phoenix Bird As Symbolizing A Rocket Launch

· Chapter 13 - Was Noah's Ark A Saucer-Shaped Submersible?

· Chapter 14 - The Radios Of The Ancients

· Chapter 15 - The Fabled Land Of Dilmun

· Chapter 16 - The Space City And Facilities Destroyed

· Chapter 17 - The Mount Sinai-Kadesh Space Facilities Destroyed

· Epilogue - Is There Really A Missing Link?

AND MORE OFF THE LINK

SO THE LINK FOR ALL TO SEE!!! IS BELOW ....ENJOY !!!
(It is in Spanish too) at the top of the link, if it's easier in Spanish


http://www.apollonius.net/boulay-index-en.html

Phoenix1:) :)

[soundist]

I cant find the link to the ebook, has it been removed?
Also these two links:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/es...#sociopolitica
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/se...y-index-en.htm

Are dead.

[phoenix1]

I cant find the link to the ebook, has it been removed?
Also these two links:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/es...#sociopolitica
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/se...y-index-en.htm

Are dead.

OK Its dead here too ill look for another link to it:confused:

[phoenix1]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_temas2.htm#sociopolitica

Thats the MAIN site i and active for me... the others are not !!

OK still looking:)

[phoenix1]

OK Heres aoother lonk to the book

Try this one

http://www.apollonius.net/boulay-index-en.html

[phoenix1]

OK Here's another link to the book

This link works, I'll adjust the post in Reptillians too

http://www.apollonius.net/boulay-index-en.html

[fuknut]

OK Here's another link to the book

This link works, I'll adjust the post in Reptillians too

http://www.apollonius.net/boulay-index-en.html


It works !! Thanks bud
:D

[quiettraveller]

ToBLT: Thats why I finally decided to join up so that 'a problem shared is a problem soved' so to speak.

QT: Here, here.

ToBLT: I suppose the best is to put it out there and see if someone has an opinion on something that is close to my heart.

The reason that Sitchin appeals to me so much is that he provides ideas (possibly not true, but still) on things that have interested me for a long time.

QT: O.K., I was at East West Books on 5th Ave, bet. 14th & 13th Streets. Someone recommended The 12th Planet by Zecharia Sitchin. I didn't go to an online bookseller and read reviews first unfortunately. I just did. A reader gave the book 2 stars. He does not find it credible that a planet can have such a wide orbit around the Sun and support photosynthesis.

"He provides ideas (possibly not true)" is a problem for me. We have so many lies in society. Although ideas are good, we need to craft the Truth paradigm and get on with life. Have good ideas after the base is repaired, Tired of Being Lied To. (smile)

ToBLT: I have always loved the Egyptians etc, but I also like the fact that, based on the church background (that no doubt every one here has their own story on why they turned their back on organised religion!)

QT: I have not turned my back on organized religion. I do go to Marble Collegiate Church which, on the surface is good willed. Who knows, go deep enough, it may be Illuminati. In Icke's books, so many are Illuminati. I'm reading Tales from the Time Loop with a friend. I tell her, Icke sure does make the enemy to have an army that is numerous. I wish he would give us hope naming organization after organization and world leader after world leader who is not Illuminati.

One could get a good education at a prep school sactioned by organized religion. The ability to read, learn Math, get on the Speech and Debate team, learn respect and develop a sense of solemnity. Hold something sacred in life.

And another thing. Icke talks about possession. Somewhere else on these message boards, someone said some 4th dimensional giant insect was a parasite to a human. I think the principle of exorcism is absolutely a valuable necessity.

I don't know what magic is connected to St. Jude. Can anyone explain? Many people have testimony for that saint.

Knock organized religion all you want but don't throw the baby out with the dirty water. Rinse that baby off and drain the tub. Hug that baby.

ToBLT: he also offers a historical version on what the bible or booble states about something. i'e, I never thought that when the bible spoke of "THE LORD" that It could have been refering to our makers from another planet, NIBIRU!

QT: Humans do more than mine for gold. The Anunaki come by how often to bring gold back to their planet?

I'm just being a responsible person by being resonably sceptical.

And I might as well get this out now.

Icke says there is Infinite Love/Intelligence/etc. This Infinite Etc. is greater than the Time Loop Matrix, yes?

As someone earlier asked where are we in the order of beings, I ask also, which spiritual administrators are looking out for our interests. This is a little species-centric, but if there were a battle of the Anunaki, the Humans, and the Reptilians, led by their collective subconscious God, which of the three deserves the highest praise? Do the humans have a "god parents" or should we give honor where honor is due? The Bible speaks of proving which god is stronger. I ask also, under Infinite Love, etc. beyond the projected 3-dimensional reality, is it the "god" of another planet greater than the "god" of the collective Adam. Gaia in her own right is a powerful goddess. Lovelock says we're going to suffer her revenge.

Even if I allow we are Homo erectus with genetic engineering, therefore the aliens are more advanced than us. Gaia has nurtured us, the Moon, has helped us with crops, the Sun gives us breath in the photosynthesis that produces oxygen. Gaia is still Goddess. The Moon: casta Diva. The Sun is Aten. And whatever nebula our Sun came from is the nursery of not just our sun but many stars in the Milky Way Galaxy.

[mk72]

Hi guys
I loved the books by Sitchen, because when it was publish there was not a lot of stuff to read on these things, but he does hold back alot and I always wondered why untill I saw the "Interview with a mother goddess" and Arizona Wilder says he is in fact a reptilian and she saw him shape shift long before she knew who he was. We do need knowledge like that but it is also a good idea to move on and use more than one theme to understand ourselves and where we came from. The Anunnaki came from Mars where they already raped that planet and then came here. These gods are illuminati gods that still rule this planet in the same bloodlines, they are gods that took the local believes and changed it to fit their own agenda - there are no yaweh and lucifer they are old esoteric believes and they molded themselves on these believes so that they become these gods to people in those times. That's my opinion anyway

[aznality]

in the Sumerian tablets the two main rulers of earth were Enlil and Enki. These brothers ended up having a falling out. It is to my understanding that Enlil Became Yaweh, The god the the Jews and also the christians I would presume. And Enki became known as Baal, Lucifer, etc.

The problem I have having a hard time understand is in all of these stories Enlil/Yaweh is the ruthless one. Hateful of man for the most part not wanting them to be any thing more than slave who could not reproduce and thought of them as animals.


It seems that Enki should be the good God and Enlil the Evil but the actions of their followers indicate otherwise.

I was reading on the story of the annunaki a little while ago. I cannot remember which book in particular, was it 'flying serpents and dragons' or was it 'gods, genes, and consciousness', but it did mention Enki and Enlil's story.

As you know Enki helped humanity, and Enlil was against. Enlil's side won and he made himself as a god to us. They are probably the same people who still control us today. And of course, the winners always re-write history don't they. So Enlil's clan re-wrote history and made Enlil to look like the bad guy, satan. That's when the biblical story of the serpent comes in. Enki who may have represented a serpent, offered fruit which was symbolic of knowledge, to the humans. And yeah, see how the story was switched/twisted around?

It is like the American gov invading Iraq, when they are really invading the Middle East and making them out as terrorists, while claiming to defend freedom. The Middle East knows they are getting their asses invaded, and knows who the real bad guys are. But we are getting fed the lies from our govs, so a lotta us still think we are 'fighting freedom'. This is kinda irrelevant to the topic, but it is similar in analogy.

[cruise4]

Michael Tsarion also talks about this stuff. Search for Tsarion on Google video. Anyone have any thoughts?

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

"One burning question that comes to mind recently is, if we were created by the Anunaki out of a genetic 'milk shake' of sorts and became human, I am puzzled about where we stand in the spiritual scheme of things?

What I am asking is where did our spiritual essence come from if we were just made by another 3rd dimentional being in a test tube of sorts?"


God (the universe) they didn't make the DNA, they only meddled with it. if u are talking power and stuff, i would sya that iof we had both lots of DNA we could be potentially stronger than them.

[lewi]

Here is a cool sumerian artifact site you may find intresting

http://www.xfacts.com/ancient/
http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/astronomer/explore/enuma.html

[shiniane]

Michael Tsarion also talks about this stuff. Search for Tsarion on Google video. Anyone have any thoughts?


His stuff is kind of interesting, but I feel that he misses a lot of things - I can't shake the feeling that he is only seeing a TINY part of the bigger picture. I wish more of these alternative researchers would work TOGETHER because thanks to the difference in perceptions and what they each look for, the combination of the entirety of their researches would certainly shake the world upon its foundations.

As it is, my inner instincts tell me that on the whole, each alternative researcher is only seeing a part of the picture. But that's just me.

[rebel ins]

His stuff is kind of interesting, but I feel that he misses a lot of things - I can't shake the feeling that he is only seeing a TINY part of the bigger picture. I wish more of these alternative researchers would work TOGETHER because thanks to the difference in perceptions and what they each look for, the combination of the entirety of their researches would certainly shake the world upon its foundations.

As it is, my inner instincts tell me that on the whole, each alternative researcher is only seeing a part of the picture. But that's just me.

well said plus some researchers are distributing half-truths

[Mo0n5tar]

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-69604.0.html

[pri01]

I believed the evolution theory cos it's what I studied at university. However, I could never get my head around how we were able to overcome, fierce climatic winters (ice age) level. OMG. As a semi-ape, my ancestors were capable of dealing with serious medical conditions and emergencies such as those presented today. I suspect if genetic disorders that are prevalent today, they were just so then. How did they deal with them? Our dependence to pharmaceutical help today must suggest that we had the same then. But how? We were apes. I have read that some animals do self medicate. Can't remember the source but there is a species of bird that uses lime skins in their nest to get rid of parisites. I dunno, I am more than comfortable with the theory that we have had a helping hand. The timeline for evolutionary developement is not straight forward. Just a thought.

[blue]

was searching for some sumerian clay tablets and i found these pics. both of them are taken from the british museum..most of the other tablets are kept in the east berlin state museum.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/sohail84/1430290244_e763670773_o.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/sohail84/1429460715_25fe717e29_b.jpg

[dmessick]

Sitchins books are Ok but he's probably Illuminati.

[etlek]

Hello, my name is Etlek, this is my first post in the forum and I found really interesting this topic you are discussing here about the sumerian gods, mostly because Sumeria is not only the craddle of civilization but of the ideas that the three most influential religions in the world share.

Let me tell you first that I'm an art historian, although still studying the field, and that while reading your post I noticed that you have some misinformation on the story of the god Enki or Ea. This is why I decided to post a response to your commentaries on the subject.

So I'm here to share with you a website I found some days ago on this same matter that talks about "The Brotherhood of the Snake" (a Brotherhood created by Enki himself to liberate humankind from slavery and that was later used as a campaign against himself by the so called "God" of religion to stigmatize him before humans as an evil god or "Lucifer") and which I think explains very well the sumerian creationist myth.

Here you can read the whole story and its explanation taken from the book "Gods of Eden" by William Bramley: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/godseden/godseden03.htm#Brotherhood%20of%20the%20Snake


I hope this clears your doubts about the myth.... which I personally think its much more than that. ;)

[ethanmya]

Ive read a couple of Zecharia Sitchins books regarding this topic. Found them quite difficult to get my head around to be honest. I read or heard somewhere that Zecharia sitchin refuses to accept the exsistence of a reptilian race. Why is this??;)

[pri01]

Hello, my name is Etlek, this is my first post in the forum and I found really interesting this topic you are discussing here about the sumerian gods, mostly because Sumeria is not only the craddle of civilization but of the ideas that the three most influential religions in the world share.

Let me tell you first that I'm an art historian, although still studying the field, and that while reading your post I noticed that you have some misinformation on the story of the god Enki or Ea. This is why I decided to post a response to your commentaries on the subject.

So I'm here to share with you a website I found some days ago on this same matter that talks about "The Brotherhood of the Snake" (a Brotherhood created by Enki himself to liberate humankind from slavery and that was later used as a campaign against himself by the so called "God" of religion to stigmatize him before humans as an evil god or "Lucifer") and which I think explains very well the sumerian creationist myth.

Here you can read the whole story and its explanation taken from the book "Gods of Eden" by William Bramley: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/godseden/godseden03.htm#Brotherhood%20of%20the%20Snake


I hope this clears your doubts about the myth.... which I personally think its much more than that. ;)


Isn't the account of Enki and his brother Enlil the truth behind the God and his brother Satans story?

[tifavi]

I´ve spent some time reading these posts and it strikes me as queries that nun of you mention the Sumerian texts Atria-Hasis, Epic of Creation and Epic of Gilgamesh.
I learned of these text after reading "Genesis of the grail king" by Laurence Gardner.
Yes, yes... I know that Mr Icke has a problem with him but the fact of the matter is that Mr Gardner did rock the foundation of my belief system at the time I had finished reading.
And that to the extent that I just couldn't believe what I just read so I went on a quest looking for all the references he refereed to. And to my surprise I found all the texts and although English is not my native language I could get the main story.
I was thrilled to hear of Ninkursag (the wife of Enki) and their creation of Adapa and Kwawa.
Thank Gods that there are female creatures among you to and that you participated in the creation of humans.
I am so sick of this male god/gods.

[pri01]

I´ve spent some time reading these posts and it strikes me as queries that nun of you mention the Sumerian texts Atria-Hasis, Epic of Creation and Epic of Gilgamesh.
I learned of these text after reading "Genesis of the grail king" by Laurence Gardner.
Yes, yes... I know that Mr Icke has a problem with him but the fact of the matter is that Mr Gardner did rock the foundation of my belief system at the time I had finished reading.
And that to the extent that I just couldn't believe what I just read so I went on a quest looking for all the references he refereed to. And to my surprise I found all the texts and although English is not my native language I could get the main story.
I was thrilled to hear of Ninkursag (the wife of Enki) and their creation of Adapa and Kwawa.
Thank Gods that there are female creatures among you to and that you participated in the creation of humans.
I am so sick of this male god/gods.

I find Mr Sitchins books difficult to read, but the accounts he gives for the creation etc. are more believable than the account given in the Bible which by all accounts is plageurised from The Epic of Gilgamesh. He refers to the Adam as a race of people at the time of creation and not an individual, which makes more sense since there is more of a chance of success. If Adam were singular, how would our creators account for any defects? You might want to look at one of Sitchins books which is called 'The Lost Book of Enki' which is an easier read and it is based on accounts written by Enki which have been translated from ancient scribed tablets.

[tifavi]

I HAVE tried to read Mr Sitchins books but there is something about his writing style that trows me of big time. And I´ve tried several times, mate´s recommending them all the time.
I don´t think Adam and Ewe where the first humans on earth. I think they where the first to reach the new consciousness at the time. And I think they were clever enough to convey the message to their surroundings.
There must have been something extraordinary about them to keep them alive this long.
Of course the Bible plagiarizes The Epic of Gilgamesh. Who wouldn't´t be influenced when kept in captivity for 70 years?
And as far as I know Abraham was Sumerian with all that that entails. They just rediscovered their roots in Babylon.
The thing I love with Gardner is that he doesn´t exclude the female aspekt of the belifsystem at the time. And that is something that I think is missing in nearly every book I´ve read on the subjekt.

[sibab]

I was going to say that I just finished the book "End Of Days" by Zecharia Sitchin that talked about this stuff....But save your money, he is a horrible writer and seems to be grasping at straws throughout his whole book.
The people on here probably know more then he does!

Hello. I do not agree with you on this subject. I have read all his books and I find them very interesting, my favourite is the lost book of enki.
I like his theory about Tiamat and how earth is a half planet, the face on Mars (alalu), sodom and gomorrah and the nuclear weapons on 2024BC, Cain and how he was expelled from eden to south America and the mark that god placed on him not to grow any facial hair, the Trojan war and how the gods take part on the war. so I think there are lots of very good points from his books and I recommend to read them.


Ive read a couple of Zecharia Sitchins books regarding this topic. Found them quite difficult to get my head around to be honest. I read or heard somewhere that Zecharia sitchin refuses to accept the exsistence of a reptilian race. Why is this??;)

According to Icke when he said to Sitchin about the reptilians he did not refuse to accept that idea but he said do not even go there for the simple reason that people will find very difficult to accept that idea.

I talk to people about what is going on in the world and they say that I am crazy, imagine you say to them that they are ruled by reptilians.:eek:

[ichi wa zen]

Sitchin is a LIE!

The Atlanteans brought their civilization with them and introduced it in Mesopotamia/Asia Minor.

So, it was humans and not ALIENS who started civilization in Sumer.

[tinmenace]

Sitchin is a LIE!

The Atlanteans brought their civilization with them and introduced it in Mesopotamia/Asia Minor.

So, it was humans and not ALIENS who started civilization in Sumer.

How did you come to this conclusion, please?

[turquoisefyre]

http://www.halexandria.org/dward185.htm (http://www.halexandria.org/dward185.htm)Are there any individuals here who have a very good back ground on this topic? There are some questions that I have and can not find the answers to them.

hope this helps abit.
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[ichi wa zen]

How did you come to this conclusion, please?

Read the Atlantis Encyclopediae. It cannot be explained in one single post.

However, I am 100% sure that HUMANS were the culture bearers and not ALIENS plus Sitchin has been debunked by several translators now.

Some quick quotes from the Atlantis Encyclopediae:

"The Atlantean concept of Atlas imported into Sumer (after 3000 B.C.). Adad wasa fire-god symbolized by an active volcano, its summit wreathed by the constellation of the Pleiades—the “Atlantises,” or daughters of Atlas."

"Atu: In Sumerian myth, a sacred mountain in the Western Sea, from whence the sky-goddess, Inanna, carried the Tablets of Civilization to Mesopotamia after Atu was engulfed by the sea."

"Bulls were associated with divine regents in Sumer, Egypt, Assyria, Minoan Crete, Greece, Rome, Iberia, and Ireland. All of these cultures featured traditions of a great deluge from which their ancestors came with all the accoutrements of a high civilization, including, most importantly, matters of kingship."

"Ea: In Sumerian mythology, he was the Lord of the Waters, the sea-god who presented the secrets of a high civilization to the early inhabitants of Mesopotamia following a great flood. The Babylonians knew him as Oannes. Ea’s Atlantean identity is confirmed by his portrayal on a cylinder seal in which he bids farewell to a central, Atlas-like figure, probably Enlil."

"Enki: In Sumerian myth, a sea-god who traveled on a worldwide mission to civilize mankind in his great ship, The Ibex of the Abzu. Like the Egyptian Ausar, the Greek Osiris, Enki was a pre-flood culture-bearer from Atlantis."

"Enlil: The Sumerian Atlas, known as the Great Mountain, who held up the sky. Enlil was famous as the conqueror of Tiamat, the ocean, just as Atlantis dominated the seas. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, where he is known as Bel, Enlil is responsible for the Deluge."

"Inanna: The Sumerian mother-goddess, who lamented that the souls of the drowned had become fish in the sea during a cataclysmic flood. After the catastrophe, Inanna carried the Tablets of Civilization to the Fertile Crescent between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, where society was reborn."

"Lam Abubia: The “Age Before the Flood,” preserved by Babylonian and Assyrian scribes from their Sumerian predecessors, it described a highly advanced land of wise men and sorcerers who ruled the world until a natural catastrophe annihilated their oceanic kingdom. Only a few survivors managed to reach Mesopotamia, where they worked with native residents to build civilization anew."

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Lolz

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[armoured_amazon]

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[marpat]

Hello to all.

I have just signed up to the forum, but have been an avid fan for what David is trying to do for a while. Seen most of his videos, read books etc.

I have seen this post on the Anunaki and have recently been reading up on Sitchins books and I love all his info on ancient history. I have read the first book 'the 12th planet', the lost book of enki, the stairway to heaven, and have just started the 'lost realms'. I also feel a connection to the Egyption, incas, maya's civiliations. I am so over the lies we have all been told about where we came from, even though the bible does state things that are relatively based on deceit and out right lies painted as the truth!!!

One burning question that comes to mind recently is, if we were created by the Anunaki out of a genetic 'milk shake' of sorts and became human, I am puzzled about where we stand in the spiritual scheme of things?

What I am asking is where did our spiritual essence come from if we were just made by another 3rd dimentional being in a test tube of sorts?

Were we just awaiting in the spiritual realm for the chance to become incarnate in a 3rd dimentional body?

I read somewhere in the Flower of Life books (Drunvalo Melchizedek) that our creation also had something to do with the guys on the star system sirius?

Any help would be most appreciated.
(Boy from the Bush in good old Australia)

Good question. If we are all souls then it really stands against the idea of the idea of being genetically made as a race after all having the capability to create physcial forms does not mean you can give them a soul that can decide, judge, create at a level beyond it's level of existence. Anything created as a living form in that way would be limited to only the physical level of mind, ie instinctive animal thinking rather than being able to conceptualise.

I would be more of the opinion that if such contact existed then they gave humanity the spiritual tools to develop themselves rather than creating the human form. Hence we have ancient traditions that were passed down from angels (as in the case of the kabbalah). If the universe is spiritual then these entities were also created from something so they cannot be the absolute root. Look to them more as spiritual big brothers.

'I am a child of the earth but my race is of the starry heavens' is a common idea held in the mystery schools.

[tinmenace]

Read the Atlantis Encyclopediae. It cannot be explained in one single post.

However, I am 100% sure that HUMANS were the culture bearers and not ALIENS plus Sitchin has been debunked by several translators now.


Yes, you're right, but it still doesn't tie up the package neatly enough for me. Even when you take Sitchin completely out of the picture, and you look at what's left, it still doesn't explain away alien life form. Some of Sitchin's stuff has been "debunked" but not all of it, so for me it's not conclusive.

Thanks for the lead, I will read more about this Atlantis Endcylopediae and its author.

[octopusrex]

Best you don't go poking around Atlantis. Those folks sank in the ocean, y'know?

[tinmenace]

I'm just trying to validate his claim.

[exicutioner151]

No, but possibly aliens who brought life to Lemuria-Muh, before this ancient people fled to a more recent atlantis....

Hi Sidreighn,
Is the muh meaning The island of mu ? I have a text about mu which a portion of it exists today . What is left of the sunken mu was known as the sandwich islands , now it is known as the chain of hawaii .

On something else from ur other post i notice u stated lucifer . That name has been corrupted over time its not genuine . Also i see many names or supposed names still in use like satan is not a name but a title . Has anyone tried to get the real names of these entities?

Exicutioner151

[kblood]

I find it hard to believe that there is a war going on with a truly evil and good side to it.

I am trying to research all of this with interest though. Hard to find head and tail in it all though. I guess my quest at the moment is to come in contact with physical beings carrying these entities and able to prove it. Maybe by figthing me if that is what it takes. Usually linking minds is enough, but fighting someone or something makes for learning alot more about that person or being.

Anyone got some good info on the lemurians?

[exicutioner151]

I find it hard to believe that there is a war going on with a truly evil and good side to it.

I guess my quest at the moment is to come in contact with physical beings carrying these entities and able to prove it.

Hi Kblood,

If u read David Ickes books and other books he even says not all reptilians are the same way . and as i stated befor angels have done some dispicable things in the past and im not saying the (fallen) . Take present day police thier supposed to be good and help u , yet u see thier are some involved with murder , abductions , rape , drugs , and the list goes on and on . So my question is why is it so hard to believe? I can go on all day priests some molest some do not , I mean hell u have some fire fighters who are damn arsonists .

What would u do if u did come in contact with someone with an entity in them? Besides u will never know it unless they tell u . Im sure uve ran into alot and probably are friends with a few .

Exicutioner151

[romas]

This good vs. evil brings me to masonic floors, you know black and white squares, they call it balance, also sign of yin and yang etc, duality of human brain. Even in nature you have life and death, cuteness and cruelty.

Fight is and was here with us, sometimes hidden inside our minds and sometimes manifested into 3d reality?

[portjinx]

Basicly this "enki" or whatever youve read about him, how do you know the word wasnt referring to a whole faction? its more than likely, and anyway, the details dont matter, they gave us their mind, or at least they make us use that part, we were probably already fitted with the fight or flight aspect, and we were most likely, blah blah blah.I think the more you think, the less "free" you become, if you need my advice it would be to chill out now that you know the truth, david ickes my jesus, hes doin all the work yknow?:D

[mystiq_99]

hey man, welcome to the forum.
i'm inclined to think that our soul, for lack of a better word, is what animates this bag of flesh and bone we live in, so no matter how were created, if you're moving, you're attached to the universe.
however, this can be stilted or stopped, i think that was part of what was done to us, our 'wiring' was messed about with, i think it all boils down to how much of it is connected, some are very connected, others less so, but that spiritual potential exists within every living thing.


Some people are very spiritual and some even have glimpses of past lives. Certainly there are many websites that give accounts of hundreds of ndes and the studies done. A lot of people are putting new age concepts down, but some of them are beautiful. I stay away from channeled sources myself. There are lots of ways of looking at this, but my heart has always led me to the right stuff at the right time, so you have to trust your inner knowledge. My way of looking at is that God is everything, the universe(s), or multiverses as its now commonly called. Or perhaps is separate and simply the creator. But still everything. That souls are created out of God as god so to speak and that God loves everyone and is always with us, often through dangerous times so to speak. That we grow and learn and evolve. I've had dreams of being rescued by a beautiful angel facing a powerful bad guy force (demon? reptilion? I don't know anymore. But I had felt totally drained of all energy in the dream and then this 9 foot beautiful angel came and told me to climb onto his back. In the dream I was the size of a young child and when I touched the angel to climb onto his back, I was shocked awake because the most incredible out of this world joy filled me. I simply woke up. Then when my father got prostate cancer, I was praying and I sensed angels, and again that joy, but slightly more masked than touching one. And I knew he would be fine, and he is! So a classical view of things, is ok too, in fact its my core belief now mixed with a broader view of souls growth to mean reincarnation as evolution and also as helping other. I believe we line up for certain situations, perhaps certain planets most of the time and have soul families, close friendships and loves that span many lifetimes. That we are all one yet always individual. And that even if you think bad guys have plans for you, Gods plan for you wins that fight every time.

[veritas66]

I've recently become intensely interested in the ancient astronaut/ancient creators theory. The idea seems to originate from early 20th century if thats correct, and the only problem for me is finding a credible author, it seems like every one who delves into the Anunaki/*other names for* is ripped holes in for bad science or research, for example sitchin, the chariot of the gods author and Maximllien de lafayatte to name some, its slightly discouraging for myself anyway in finding a solid proponent of the ET or what have you creator hypothesis.

[tinmenace]

I've recently become intensely interested in the ancient astronaut/ancient creators theory. The idea seems to originate from early 20th century if thats correct, and the only problem for me is finding a credible author, it seems like every one who delves into the Anunaki/*other names for* is ripped holes in for bad science or research, for example sitchin, the chariot of the gods author and Maximllien de lafayhttp://www.davidicke.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=433309
David Icke's Official Forums - Reply to Topicatte to name some, its slightly discouraging for myself anyway in finding a solid proponent of the ET or what have you creator hypothesis.

I think you'll find prehistoric art of "astronauts", if you do some more research.

There are incredibly much art which shows their been here for a long time, this one is from from Tassili, Sahara Desert, North Africa. 6000 BC

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/5/11/19/f_fufo6000m7fm_3ade796.jpg

[kblood]

Hi Kblood,

If u read David Ickes books and other books he even says not all reptilians are the same way . and as i stated befor angels have done some dispicable things in the past and im not saying the (fallen) . Take present day police thier supposed to be good and help u , yet u see thier are some involved with murder , abductions , rape , drugs , and the list goes on and on . So my question is why is it so hard to believe? I can go on all day priests some molest some do not , I mean hell u have some fire fighters who are damn arsonists .

What would u do if u did come in contact with someone with an entity in them? Besides u will never know it unless they tell u . Im sure uve ran into alot and probably are friends with a few .

Exicutioner151

If I came in contact with one I would try to exorcise it I guess. Still I doubt these people with the intent to do evil, rather they have feelings and urges they cannot control.

Priests having lack of sex due to their faith, and in my oppinion disrespecting the body. Seems logical that people who find fire beautifull become firefighters, it even might actually be good therapy for them. They should see enough fire this way without having to set their own. And the the NWO seems to be an agenda of greed and lust for power and control. Probably very close to evil, but still.

I dont believe in pure evil, only misguided souls that still has a chance no matter where in they are on the scale of moral.

Even the people we have seen as the most evil in history probably did what they did because they tought the actions good and what needed to be done.

[veritas66]

I think you'll find prehistoric art of "astronauts", if you do some more research.


Hey thats a good one, I've only seen a few of those myself.

I guess what Im getting at is there is no(from what I've looked at) semi-solid presentation on the creator/visitor hypothesis, lots of little tidbits like ancient paintings seem to indicate something but of course that cant account for a full fleshed explanation right?
Some of the touted authors who said the codified all the facts in their books seem to fall short but i'm ever on the lookout for new sources.

[branjo]

The person to convince me of "meddling" with our DNA was Lloyd Pye he uses a lot of my favourite science "Common Sense". All primates have 48 Chromosomes and we have 46, you don't loose Chromosomes under evolution you would gain them if at all and there are too many deformities in our DNA and in nature any deformities in an animal at birth seldom is allowed to live or make it to breeding age, law of the jungle n all. I found it a pretty conceivable theory,

He also said that according to our history the great Pyramids were built within a 100 year period, again under common sense there are roughly 6 million stones that make up all the pyramids of Egypt with an average weight of 3.5 tons each. So for them to be made within 100 years that would mean 1 x 3.5 ton stone would need to be laid every 8.5 minutes without a break for 100 years solid. There is also the fact that you cant get a razor blade between the stones even to this day which for any stone mason would take a hell of a long time to get each stone perfect and no mortar was used either and then it would have to be lifted and positioned perfectly every 8.5 minutes. If the time scale is correct, no way any human did this without seriously advanced technology, or the historical time scale would need to be way off but these ancient people were better at keeping time than we are today. www.lloydpye.com check it out

[romas]

Hey thats a good one, I've only seen a few of those myself.

I guess what Im getting at is there is no(from what I've looked at) semi-solid presentation on the creator/visitor hypothesis, lots of little tidbits like ancient paintings seem to indicate something but of course that cant account for a full fleshed explanation right?
Some of the touted authors who said the codified all the facts in their books seem to fall short but i'm ever on the lookout for new sources.


Well how else do you explain it? It's all theory you know, even Darwins proposal of macro evolution is a theory, you jump to whatever ship suits you and you can never claim yours is right one unelss you can prove it yourself.

As for those stone carved pictures, what else explanation can there be? Prehistoric science fiction? Fiction needs a basis upon which you can fantasise, if you have no concept of machinery you cannot fantasise about it!

They must have seen some type of machinery and body suits to fantasise and draw them, so either uknown civilization on earth(atlantis?) or alien beings!

I'm not going into the DMT trip case scenarion here, it's another can of worms that opposes almost everything that our science claims today anyway.

[talkingchimp]

what a load of sitchin inspired wank. before you believe his drivel do some research on him. he was a failed isreali journalist who was plucked from obscurity by some rich philanthropist......programming agenda anyone? i mean comeon one blokes opinion!!! fuck me tolkein's creation was far more creative but none of us has been looking for the gate of mordor!!

[branjo]

Who was the rich philanthropist?

[talkingchimp]

i dont know, all i know is that the philanthropist in question was a theosophist. now let us not forget how the media works. its there to promote and sell books, and sitchin was heavily funded to promote this agenda. tell me how its any different than l ron hubbards scientology....tell me? what gives sitchins work kudos and hubbards work are parodied?? because of who is funding it! the only time these sumerian texts have been linked to the space ships nonesense is in the 20th century! why? because we all watch sci fi now. 200 years earlier no one would have got it. just more crap selling books and indoctrinating gullible people

[branjo]

Hey its as much a valid point as any of ours. Facts are the one thing none of us have at this time so we are basically just bullshitting here but I for one am leaning toward the thought that we had a little push here and there. Is it just this particular subject or do you not believe in aliens period?

[thirdwave]

Hello to all.

I have just signed up to the forum, but have been an avid fan for what David is trying to do for a while. Seen most of his videos, read books etc.

I have seen this post on the Anunaki and have recently been reading up on Sitchins books and I love all his info on ancient history. I have read the first book 'the 12th planet', the lost book of enki, the stairway to heaven, and have just started the 'lost realms'. I also feel a connection to the Egyption, incas, maya's civiliations. I am so over the lies we have all been told about where we came from, even though the bible does state things that are relatively based on deceit and out right lies painted as the truth!!!

One burning question that comes to mind recently is, if we were created by the Anunaki out of a genetic 'milk shake' of sorts and became human, I am puzzled about where we stand in the spiritual scheme of things?

What I am asking is where did our spiritual essence come from if we were just made by another 3rd dimentional being in a test tube of sorts?

Were we just awaiting in the spiritual realm for the chance to become incarnate in a 3rd dimentional body?

I read somewhere in the Flower of Life books (Drunvalo Melchizedek) that our creation also had something to do with the guys on the star system sirius?

Any help would be most appreciated.
(Boy from the Bush in good old Australia)

it sounds like you are forgetting how powerful and all knowing nature is...

if we have been created by another creation than they why we not natural..?

ok we are not a race that has been created by a positive vibration... but we are still an effect of nature...

what i think we are just beings who like many other beings have entered a level of intelligence and understanding and its up to us all to learn to deal with it.. nature will always provide an answer for us... its up to people if they want to find it. We have been thrown in the deep end.... and the result of that will create something else.... so on....

that's how I see it.

[branjo]

Being genetically manipulated doesn't take anything away from our spirituality. Consciousness can inhabit any life form regardless of origin, we all have purpose.

[synergy777]

check this video about sumeria. modern day sumeria is iraq. the biblical city of babylon was in iraq. in babylon, we had the tower of babel, the division of mankind/migration started and the capitivity of the jews/hebrews. also then remember the city of ur, ur is in iraq.

abraham came from the city of ur. abraham is the father of jews, christians and muslims with regards to religion.

thus iraq/babylon is the start of the judeo-christianity-islamic religion, the three abrahamic religions, the people of the book eg torah/bible/quran.

then we have the vedic connections to sumeria/abraham eg braham = abraham.

braham is the supreme creator, the infinite awareness. braham has three functions, these are represented by a trinity, trimurti. this trinity is a representation of functions/aspects of the supreme. this trinity is brahma, vishnu and shiva.

also conicidently, the creation of mankind in the vedic terms and abrahamic terms is the same.

we know that the vedic religion/hinduism, comes from 4000bc etc, if not before. hindu is new term, it comes from the river indus, thus those that lived beyond the river indus, where called hindu. also there is the mountainrange called the hindu kush. kush could yet be reference to kush/cush, eg african origins. as cush is ethiopia, kemet is egypt/africa in old language. hence hindu/india being persian/europeans names. the old vedic names for india, are bharat and aryavarta. bharat is what we indians call india, eg just like names bombay and mumbai are the same place. aryavarta is what india was in old times from the western points of israel/arabia including iran/iraq to the eastern point of bangledesh and the southern point of sri lanka. aryavarta coming from the word aryan, aryan being those who seek a noble way of life eg vedic/compassionate lifestyles.

thus i will know look at the connections between vedic religions and sumerian religion. but before watch this video, its concise and clear.

The Annunaki are not the Nephilim or the Fallen Angels

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngJ-H7fjsAk

The Sumerians and the Annunaki - Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BToUxSi-QwA&feature=related

[synergy777]

Rik Clay a great researcher

thanks to craig oxley / 2tuff of unhived mind

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=57604

Rik Clay - The Cosmic Mind: Q & A

June 12, 2008

We invite Rik Clay from "The Cosmic Mind" back to the program to follow up on the show did last Sunday. This time we have a questions and answers session. We begin to talk about the some feedback on the last program we did and about "rules" and restrictions you have to adjust to when you're making the kind of connections that Rik is making. We discuss the Greek origins of the Olympic games, the opening ceremonies and the symbolism involved in the games. Topics Discussed: Tibet, Dalai Lama, The Orange, Rose and Saffron Revolution, Rituals, Ley lines, Energy, TV coverage, Age of Aquarious, Water, Global Warming, "X Marks the spot", 666 and XXX, Nazi Olympics 1936, Alien Contact, Movies, Diana, Project Bluebeam and much more

part 1 of the interview
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/06jun/RICR-080612.php

part 2 of the interview
http://www.mediafire.com/?wcxj0muuujp

rik clay all his work and links
http://dafta.ueuo.com/index.html

rik Clay 2012 .pdf file
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A9NOJH01

all these links are worth downloading, there are 2 mp3 interviews and a great pdf of all his work. download them, learn from them and pass them around to everyone

these are a must view / listen, mark my words.

1love/peace

[squidman]

ok

I'll take em one question at a time.

in the Sumerian tablets the two main rulers of earth were Enlil and Enki. These brothers ended up having a falling out. It is to my understanding that Enlil Became Yaweh, The god the the Jews and also the christians I would presume. And Enki became known as Baal, Lucifer, etc.

The problem I have having a hard time understand is in all of these stories Enlil/Yaweh is the ruthless one. Hateful of man for the most part not wanting them to be any thing more than slave who could not reproduce and thought of them as animals.

And it was Enki, who loved man and always wanted to show him things, help them, and ultimately save them from the flood.

So if Enki/Lucifer,stands for and goodness why do his followers do such evil with in the world?

and if Enlil/Yaweh is the evil one, why do MOST jew and christians fundementaly stand for goodness?

It seems that Enki should be the good God and Enlil the Evil but the actions of their followers indicate otherwise.

Very confusing.

yes very confusing!! but i assume that how else does an evil man get people to follow but by saying good words. thing is he is telling the truth in his bible and we or christians see it as a positive, like the righteous will inherit the earth when you think about it you know whats gonna happen. and obviously we are following evil with any religous persuit. its about the people and the power they have..... truth is what they fear!!!!

[knightofthegrail]

The simple fact is that the stories of Mesopotamian religion are attempts to understand divinity; dividing the deities there-in and then seeking to apply them to God/Satan is always going to lead to mixed up understandings....the mythologies show an evolving understanding of God and a gradual attempt to get to the truth.

Enlil and Enki are *not* God and Satan, even if there may be partial similarities across mythological divides. Its like comparing two places on a horizontal axis with two on a vertical one; the fact that they are poles on an axis does not mean they refer to anything of meaningful similarity.

Dont confuse human attempts at maps with the actual "terrain" in question :D

[branjo]

The Sumerians I think were direct slaves of the Anunaki and you can pretty much guarantee every thing they wrote was dictated to them. This I why Im not that partial to Sitchin, he is reading the text like no one could but the texts are completely bias.

The Anunaki sound a bit too, up their own arse if you ask me. I would expect their history to reflect that.

[tattooverb]

anything any historian says should be taken with a grain of salt perhaps more. anything translated is doubly suspect, as mistranslations are rampant in even the most translated ancient texts (such as the bible). the only way to really answer the question of the annunaki is to read the stories yourself in the cuneiform and hope your own translation is on the money. oxford and the university of pennsylvania both offer courses but you will need a knowledge of french and german also to properly study the subject. of course there are also books on the subject if uni is not an option. whatever you read try and get both sides of the story. sitchen is a fun read but only one single point of scholarship on the ancient oriental studies. it is ok to read more conservative texts as well for contrasting opinions.

[branjo]

Yup exactly, We can all land on some basic common denominators though, there is enough smoke to warrant fire if you know what I mean. The most accurate form of history are the stories I think,
now we know the bible has been written tons of times and all the bits that are too revealing have been censored n all but a few, and I mean a few of the stories look like they have slipped past, because of the reflection to time when they were read.

Like if the ptb were to rewrite the bible again today they would sure as shit take out the David and Goliath story or the 1 man can make a difference aspect cause it kinda goes against the grain of what they are about. But unless you have compared it to an age or time that directly explains, like the book of Job being like an episode of Star wars n all, while we are in the era of space travel we can say 2+2=4 but looking at that 200 years ago, it would have just been a nice story. I don't take the bible for any more than a history book that has been rewritten to serve someones agenda in the future. But there are still remnants of hope woven into it. But nothing to base a bloody religion on of course...lol. The world kinda lost the plot when that happened. But as you said it all comes down to a perspective, point of view.

[synergy777]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/anunnaki/anu_14.htm

Fom: “Dr Michael Salla” <exopolitics@yahoo.com>
Subject: [exopolitics] Anunnaki, Iraq, Stargates - Reply to Michael Sokolov
Received: 10/8/2004 12:11:14 PM

Aloha All, here is a further exchange of correspondence I’ve had with Michael Sokolov who has a fine grasp of Anunnaki history and the role of Reptilian ETs which dovetails with much of my own research. I’ve copied below a post I sent out on my prepare4contact forum and the response that Michael Sokolov sent. Michael’s response can be read by either clicking either the URL at the start, or by reading it at the end of this post.
In peace
Michael Salla, PhD
drmsalla@exopolitics.org

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Aloha Michael apologies for not replying earlier to your response about the Anunnaki and their relationship with mainstream religion (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/message/7789).

I find myself in agreement with much of what you say and think it is very valuable to emphasize the distinction between the Anunnaki as human looking ETs and the Reptilians as basically being locked into a historical conflict over control of humanity. I have just finished reading David Icke’s “Children of the Matrix” and think that he basically simplified human history in terms of his belief that the Reptilians are in control of everything. As you know, in his view, Reptilians, the Anunnaki are the same, and that we are locked into a Prison Planet with the same set of secret rulers - the Illuminati who are basically bloodlines associated with the Reptilians, mixed in with some Nordic DNA.

The framework you outline in your article makes much more sense and I’m happy to say that I reached the same conclusion with my own research, the Anunnaki and the Reptilians are very different and are competitors. The Illuminati are primarily associated with the Anunnaki but as you say in your response to my earlier article, there may have been significant infiltration or compromising of this organization by the Reptilians who dominate mainstream religious institutions and also in my view military institutions such as the US military.

Due to my political science background and work in the US, I like to use political metaphors and kind of see the Anunnaki as similar to Democrats and the Reptilians as a version of the Republicans. The Democrats are more progressive and see humans as having more intrinsic value, while Republicans are more law and order types that like to carry the big stick. This is some validation for your view that we need to get behind the Anunnaki who have historically tried to assist humanity as exemplified in the stories about Enki. You therefore conclude that the Anunnaki are supporting human liberation and deserve our support.

You write:

“But I don’t think that the present-day descendants of Anunnaki, if they come into contact with us, would try to control us like they did before.

The exopolitical situation now is totally different. We now have a common enemy, and defeating them is far more important than our petty differences. That is basically my main argument: we can’t compare Anunnaki and reptiles side by side and say that they are just vying for control and one is no better than the other, because they are incomparable.

Anunnaki weren’t just “a little more compassionate to us”, we ARE them basically, and although yes, they did screwed up majorly a few times, those wounds can be healed and we can move forward together, but the dark forces of Yahweh are the enemy of Life itself. To use a Tolkien analogy (Lord of the Rings), the differences between us and Anunnaki are the little differences between humans, hobbits, elves and dwarves/gnomes, but Yahweh is Sauron and USA is Mordor.”

As I said, I’m basically suspicious about Anunnaki in terms of their historical role and motivation and you’ve replied that caution is necessary but that an alliance is important. I can go along with that since these types of alliances are helpful in changing the political dynamics between different ET races and humanity. I do think though that rather than a dyadic conflict between the Reptilians and Anunnaki, as you suggest with your Lord of the Rings metaphor, that there is a third force involved here which comprises the kinds of ET groups that I referred to earlier which most regard as benevolent, e.g., Andromedans, Pleiadians, Arcturians, etc. So the competition or struggle for Earth is triadic. We have two interventionist factions, Reptilians and Anunnaki who have different approaches to how to manage the Earth, kind of like the Republican and Democrat approaches, and we have a third faction which is primarily non-interventionist and use consciousness raising.

I think that our best allies are the non-interventionists, but that alliances with ETs such as Anunnaki makes sense given the present exopolitical situation on Earth.

Now what you say about the Anunnaki in terms of the invasion of Iraq is significant and I wish to reflect a little on that. You say:

“OK, it’s time for me to drop another bombshell. Brace yourself. I believe Saddam Hussein was/is a good guy. All the bad things they say about him are reptilian propaganda. He undug some ancient Anunnaki equipment and was able to reactivate it. He reestablished contact with Anunnaki and was trying to bring them back. That’s why they wanted him out.”

Now I certainly suspected that Saddam had found something and that was why the US really went in. Most of the evidence I could find in my own paper and book chapter was circumstantial yet when all put together was pretty persuasive. Fortunately, whistleblowers such as Dan Burisch were able to confirm this so I felt pretty confident that I was on the right track. I’d like to know any sources you used to support your similar conclusion and to share this with us. Perhaps your Russian sources are more forthcoming on why Uncle Sam went into Iraq?

The key now shifts to what it was that Saddam wanted to open the Stargates for. Would it have been the Anunnaki who would have come in with the desire to physically liberate the Earth from the covert Reptilian control and thus support Saddam as a ‘righteous ruler’ or ‘good guy’ as you say; or would it have been a Draconian Reptilian invasion force that would have manipulated Saddam to basically impose overt Reptilian control of Earth.

Whichever scenario it was, one could say that that the Bush administration did the right thing with its foray into Iraq since it now effectively controlled the Stargate and prevented an overt Reptilian or Anunnaki presence coming through that would align itself with Saddam. I don’t see Saddam as a good guy since he basically started a series of wars since he came to power in 1978 that began with Iran and basically impoverished his people.

Certainly no good guy in my book but from a certain perspective he did offer an alternative to covert Reptilian control and I see that is what you are getting at. At the same time, I don’t feel we have enough information to know for sure who would have come through the activated stargates, and the consequences may well have been a more destructive regional war involving overt intervention by ETs that would have sided with Saddam.

I would appreciate any more information you have on what may have come through the Iraqi stargates and why you feel so confident it would have been the Anunnaki rather than the Draco Reptilians which is what I believe most commentators have opined.

I look forward to hearing from you.
Michael S.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/message/7789
Aloha Dr. Salla,

> Thank you for sharing your insights and reflections on the Anunnaki
> and Jehovah in your paper examining the exopolitical history of
> humanity

Thank you for the compliment!

> I also agree with you that a key historical event was the
> disappearance of the Anunnaki around 2000 BC. Now your insight here
> that this signified a take over by another group of ETs led by
> Jehovah is very insightful.

I have also been able to scavenge enough data from the ancient clues to construct a mathematical model of the orbit of Nibiru / Planet X, and guess what, in that fateful year 2024 BCE it was precisely in its aphelion, the farthest out point. Think about it, if you are an outsider seeking to attack the Anunnaki bases on Earth, when would be the best time for attack?
I will present my model of the orbit of Planet X in my book, along with the full chain of reasoning that led to it.

> This would explain why Yahweh could not be seen [...]

I have also pondered the possibility that Yahweh did not want anyone to see his physical form because he was so extremely ugly and gross. Which brings us to the following thought... does anyone remember the highly negative “disclosure briefing” John Lear gave to Art Bell last year? When he was “showing” the 18 alien species known to the shadow government, he made a comment about one of them:

“These are five-second slides of the 18 different alien species we are looking at. That one there is the most gruesome-looking. The guards at one facility are carefully indoctrinated over a period of several months being shown pictures similar to but not exactly like the alien. Only when they’d been acclimatized, so to speak, to the horrible-looking beings are they allowed to stand in security positions. Before these acclimatization were done, we had two guards die of a heart attack as the aliens came down the hallway unexpectedly.”

That made me wonder... I’m not even 100% sure of the reptilian nature, to be honest. Another candidate for this ugly monster is the praying mantis alien. Some remote viewer has seen a praying mantis when peeking back into 1930s at some folks talking in German about the atomic bomb.


Hmm, Yahwist reptilian-insectoids helping Nazis... But then we know that Hitler was in fact a Jew, an illegitimate grandson of one of the Rothschilds.

(And for those wondering, my answer to the Lear Test is an emphatic Yes.)

> It was another ET race, the Reptilians, who basically came and took
> over the Earth by gaining the allegiance of various tribes such as
> the Hebrews.

. and I believe their methods involved mental takeover, neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) and Controlled Remote Influencing (CRI). I will write more about this in my book.

> Now there
> are a couple of areas where it would be useful getting some
> clarification and a disagreement over who are the best allies of
> humanity in the present exopolitical situation on Earth.

OK...

> First, the role of the Illuminati in what has been described so far
> is critical.

Yes.

> Who exactly are they? Are they remnants of the Anunnaki
> control that previously existed (my initial idea) or extensions of
> the Reptilian takeover (Icke’s idea) or a combination of both?

I believe the former. Of course considering that the Yahwists’ primary modus operandi seems to be mental takeover and reprogramming, it is entirely possible and plausible that many of the Illuminati have fallen to their side.

> My
> guess is that the Illuminati are more closely aligned with the
> Anunnaki which is why there has been historic conflict between the
> Illuminati and Religious institutions such as the Catholic Church
> which presumably are bastions of Reptilian control.

Very sharp, that’s exactly my reasoning.

> E.g, the Knight
> Templars and their destruction by the Catholic Church, here the
> Anunnaki elite are destroyed by the Jehoavah/Yahweh based elite.

Yes, and think about what got the Templars in trouble in the first place: they undug something in the ruins of Jerusalem, which we know from Sitchin is the site of Anunnaki’s Command Centre. Now think about these two questions:

1. What is the most restricted and most secure place on Earth today?
It is not the White House. It is not the Pentagon. It is not Kremlin. It is the Dome on the Rock in Jerusalem. Or Area 51. One of those two.


Or rather they are probably about equal. Now what does it tell you, the mere fact that those two can be listed side by side like this? They are fundamentally of the same nature, major ET sites on Earth.


2. What is the never-ending conflict between Israel and Palestine all about?

It’s about Jerusalem. Even more specifically, about who ought to own that Sacred Spot. It is the apple of the dispute.

Now why is it so special? Why is it worth risking World War III over? We know why it was so important in the past - it was the Anunnaki Command Centre. But why is it so important now? Merely because of its ancient history? I doubt that. What if there is some interplanetary communication equipment still operating there TODAY?

And one more point. We’ve all heard of government mind control and programming. They are putting programs in us. But think about it: where are the programs coming from? I’m a computer programmer by profession and know very well that programs need to be written by programmers, distributed, etc. What if the programs being beamed into our minds by the shadow government are being DOWNLOADED to Earth (from Alpha Draconis?) through the interplanetary radio link at Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem and then distributed further?

I have a lot more to say about that Sacred Spot on Mt. Moriah, but I will save the rest for my book. Stay tuned.

> In your analysis, if the Illuminati are associated with the
> Anunnaki, they are the good guys.

Yes. I know this will be a great shocker to this whole community which generally sees the Illuminati as the root of all evil. This is one of the hardest to swallow bits of my research. That’s why I don’t like just dropping this on people, I want to ease it on through point-by-point reasoning and evidence in my book. But you sort of prodded it out of me.

> The conflict in Iraq has
> echoes of this ancient conflict between the Anunnaki and the Jehovah
> based religionists who are secretly a front for the Reptilians. I’d
> be interested in hearing your thoughts on this.

I fully agree with you that the war in Iraq is an exopolitical conflict.

We independently reached the same conclusions. When the whole saber-rattling about Iraq was just starting, I realized from the get-go what was going on: “oh great, invasion of Sumer”.

I was also very delighted to see your exopolitical comment about the downing of Space Shuttle Columbia on the eve of the invasion of Eden, accompanied by the Eye of Horus around the Sun. When I first heard about Columbia going down, I was quite delighted that the Anunnaki got at least some small revenge for the desecration and stomping of their holy land by the Yankees. That was my immediate reaction, seeing your exopolitical comment was a pleasant confirmation later. You and I are probably the only two people on the planet who have made the connection between the downing of Columbia and the war in Iraq. And then also Columbia carried the first Israeli into space... Anunnaki weren’t very pleased, and I understand them.

OK, it’s time for me to drop another bombshell. Brace yourself. I believe Saddam Hussein was/is a good guy. All the bad things they say about him are reptilian propaganda. He undug some ancient Anunnaki equipment and was able to reactivate it. He reestablished contact with Anunnaki and was trying to bring them back. That’s why they wanted him out.

And just recently I heard on Coast to Coast that Saddam’s lawyer argues for his client having a right to run in the Iraqi elections, and some poll showing that 42% of Iraqis want him back. Wouldn’t it be great if the Iraqis elect him democratically? That would be a powerful message to the reptoids, we don’t want Yahwists, Yankees and their lies here, we want our true gods and goddesses, the Anunnaki, and our legitimate President Saddam Hussein!

> The problem
> then shifts from Reptilians per se, to hybrid human-Reptilians that
> comprises the Enki faction of the Anunnaki.

“Problem”? Enki is not a “problem”, he was a hero and a saint in my book! This is probably the area where I disagree with you and a number of other people who think of Anunnaki as controlling and manipulative.
It is true that Anu was very authoritarian, and his son Enlil (whose mother was Anu’s wife and half-sister Antu, i.e., pure Anu race) was the same way. Enki was very different. His mother was one of Anu’s concubines, who I believe was a Sirian queen or princess.

So Enki was only half Anu race, the other half Sirian. His exopolitics was also totally different from Anu’s. While the Enlilites indeed established an aristocratic social order in the civilizations under their control, and I have to agree that they were too controlling and undemocratic, I do not see a single shred of evidence of any such controlling behavior on Enki’s part. Enki managed the ancient Egypt, and note that all of celestial alignments in the pyramids point to Sirius and the belt stars of Orion, NOT to Rigel which is where I believe the planet of Anu came from (I’ll explain this in my book).

Enki was NEVER interested in any manipulation and control of humans, and he was always interested in giving humans as much as possible in the way of civilization, wisdom and spirituality. And his son Marduk even wanted to teach humans how to build rockets and go to space in 3500 BCE! (I’m talking about the Bab-Ili rocket launch tower of course.) After the nuclear holocaust of 2024 BCE Enki, risking his own life, went around in the radioactive fields of Shumer trying to use his scientific/magical tricks to clean up the place as much as possible and to make plants grow again.

> Now the final point I wish to make and where I feel we disagree is
> with the idea that the Anunnaki are our allies in freeing the earth
> from the Reptilians who use Jehovah/Yahweh/Allah as covers for their
> secret domination of Earth. As I see it, there are two ET factions
> who have historically competed for control of Earth. By choosing one
> faction over the other, presumably because it is genetically more
> human and has shown evidence or being more compassionate than the
> other, doesn’t appear to be very transformative to me.

Yes, we disagree a little here. I don’t believe that the Enki faction ever had any intent of domination and control, and therefore they ought to perfectly qualify as our true allies. As for the rest of the Anu clan, i.e., the Enlilites, they indeed had a few undesirable qualities, and I agree with you that we need to be careful with them. But I’m not saying that we should revert totally to the old ways and just bow down to them. We should welcome them as friends, but on new terms: as friends and not as overlords.

But I don’t think that the present-day descendants of Anunnaki, if they come into contact with us, would try to control us like they did before.

The exopolitical situation now is totally different. We now have a common enemy, and defeating them is far more important than our petty differences. That is basically my main argument: we can’t compare Anunnaki and reptiles side by side and say that they are just vying for control and one is no better than the other, because they are incomparable.

Anunnaki weren’t just “a little more compassionate to us”, we ARE them basically, and although yes, they did screwed up majorly a few times, those wounds can be healed and we can move forward together, but the dark forces of Yahweh are the enemy of Life itself. To use a Tolkien analogy (Lord of the Rings), the differences between us and Anunnaki are the little differences between humans, hobbits, elves and dwarves/gnomes, but Yahweh is Sauron and USA is Mordor.

(Speaking of Tolkien... I can’t help but notice a striking similarity between his description of the elves and Altairans... But of course like everything else, it’s just a coincidence... grin)

> I think we can look beyond these two factions for a solution and
> find the answer in other ET races that are not associated with
> either faction that are used to running the Earth. A number of
> contactees have spoken of ET races from Andromeda, Arcturus, Sirius
> A., Pleiades, etc., who are also here trying to assist humanity in
> its evolution.

Which brings us to my favorite slogan: Proletarians of all planets, unite!

(It is of course derived from Karl Marx’ famous “Proletarians of all counties, unite!”, and yes, I am a Communist and I’ll reveal some startling Soviet-Anunnaki connections in my book.)

> However, I believe
> that even the Anunnaki cannot be fully trusted due to ingrained
> habits of control and elitism that would soon result in new
> institutions of power and control that would enslave/limit portions
> of humanity.

Yes, and I certainly don’t suggest that we blindly entrust them with everything, but again I believe in giving them a second chance as friends rather than controllers, and I really believe that they have learned a lesson and will now know that it’s much better to cooperate rather than control, and that in open cooperation we will be much stronger together and much more effective in fighting the forces of darkness.

Love & light and Blessed Be,
Michael Sokolov
Engineer / Researcher / Truth seeker / Freedom fighter

[branjo]

Very interesting

[jayelowell]

I wanna apologize first because I have not read one post in this thread! I only read the title & notice it was in the religion section. I said to myself what a good way to make ppl aware of the origins from with religion stems from!

I would like to contribute to this thread by introducing you all to Jason Martel from http://xfacts.com/
His youtube channel is full of solid infomation!
http://www.youtube.com/user/jaser7

He speaks in a way that is just so easy to understand!

ps: I will subscribe to this thread so I can come back and read it later.

[tjohn]

Are there any individuals here who have a very good back ground on this topic? There are some questions that I have and can not find the answers to them.
Whether (after over thirty years of bible and other studies) my background in this topic is to be counted as "good" or not, I do have some theories.

In my opinion Zecharia Sitchin hasn’t got everything right and while people are looking for planet X, "Nibiru" and its "atmosphere" are symbolic and it just might have something to do with gold – monatomic gold, which is said to enhance a person's perception.

There's little doubt in my mind that we are a product of genetic engineering – that we have the combined DNA of the Annunaki and that of earlier mankind. However, I also gather that there were various experiments taking place in order to get someone willing to mine gold (and work in the fields for food) and because we were not willing to be slaves for the Annunaki, they also tried crossing their DNA with reptiles.

The reptiles were native to this world and they are cold-blooded and it is those who have more reptilian blood than the rest of us who presently rule this world.

[limelady]

Welcome tjohn! :)

Your post pretty much reflects my own (current) understanding. Of course I remain open to all possibility that new information may come to light to change my understanding.

[tjohn]

Welcome tjohn! :)
Your post pretty much reflects my own (current) understanding. Of course I remain open to all possibility that new information may come to light to change my understanding. Thankyou, limelady! Like you, I remain open up to possibilities… :)

I don't know it all but tend to discount something very unlikely, like people living on a planet which (because it's orbit takes it so far away from the sun) for most of the time must have a temperature very close to absolute zero.

If Nibiru ("planet X") does exist as a real planet, with a temp of close to absolute zero how could advanced lifeforms have evolved on it? Then if the Annunaki were not native to that planet why would they choose to live there?

If they lived underground (as some have suggested on other forums) why would they need gold for Nibiru's atmosphere? To protect them from the sun which (for most of the time) is very far away???

So we can see that I do have problems with interpretations that say that the Annunaki literally lived on such a planet. However, if 'Nibiru' and its 'atmosphere' are symbolic terms it makes more sense.

[tjohn]

check this video about sumeria. modern day sumeria is iraq. the biblical city of babylon was in iraq. in babylon, we had the tower of babel, the division of mankind/migration started and the capitivity of the jews/hebrews. also then remember the city of ur, ur is in iraq.

abraham came from the city of ur. abraham is the father of jews, christians and muslims with regards to religion.

thus iraq/babylon is the start of the judeo-christianity-islamic religion, the three abrahamic religions, the people of the book eg torah/bible/quran.

then we have the vedic connections to sumeria/abraham eg braham = abraham.

braham is the supreme creator, the infinite awareness. braham has three functions, these are represented by a trinity, trimurti. this trinity is a representation of functions/aspects of the supreme. this trinity is brahma, vishnu and shiva.

also conicidently, the creation of mankind in the vedic terms and abrahamic terms is the same.

we know that the vedic religion/hinduism, comes from 4000bc etc, if not before. hindu is new term, it comes from the river indus, thus those that lived beyond the river indus, where called hindu. also there is the mountainrange called the hindu kush. kush could yet be reference to kush/cush, eg african origins. as cush is ethiopia, kemet is egypt/africa in old language. hence hindu/india being persian/europeans names. the old vedic names for india, are bharat and aryavarta. bharat is what we indians call india, eg just like names bombay and mumbai are the same place. aryavarta is what india was in old times from the western points of israel/arabia including iran/iraq to the eastern point of bangledesh and the southern point of sri lanka. aryavarta coming from the word aryan, aryan being those who seek a noble way of life eg vedic/compassionate lifestyles.

thus i will know look at the connections between vedic religions and sumerian religion. but before watch this video, its concise and clear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngJ-H7fjsAk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngJ-H7fjsAk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BToUxSi-QwA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BToUxSi-QwA
I was also thinking of the The Annunaki are not the Nephilim or the Fallen Angels video - it's one of my favourites (and the music is great).

Another one by the same guy (the music is different),
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syVyb4ebns0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syVyb4ebns0

As far as I know, no-one of our present age has been able to go back in time to fake all the writings and the many, many artefacts throughout the ages, which depict visitors coming from the sky - yet many religious people (esp Christians) find this subject difficult because they are afraid to think for themselves! Yet there it is, written down in many writings and written in stone the world over!

In my opinion that through the translation and interpretations of the bible, many things have been hidden from us and much has been turned upside down.

We ourselves were 'shining ones' and this is why two entwined Serpents represent DNA. It was the hybrid mixture of DNA that gave us spirituality and the ability to think for ourselves and feel.

This is where the biblical forbidden fruit of the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" comes in, because the Annunaki didn't want us to think too much but instead wanted us to be obedient slaves.

The bible says that after taking from the forbidden tree, "...the man has now become as one of us, to know good and evil." Become as one of us by doing something forbidden??? How can we become like God through disobedience? What's that all about then?

Instead of being blind obedient slaves to our creators (who have qualities of both good and evil), we decided to think for ourselves and hence we became (more) like them. As it says, "the man has now become as one of us, to know good and evil."

Since then much knowledge has been deliberatly hidden from us because from Annunaki's point of view, it turned out that En.Ki. made a mistake when they made us. The mistake has to do with our DNA. It is because of our hybrid DNA that we have feelings as well as having a concious mind and a will of our own. Make sense? In other words, we were too bright to continue to be slaves, as the lower ranks of the Annunaki (whom we were to replace) were.

Then what? Well, apparently they tried a similar experiment with unfeeling reptiles and many of these became our rulers who attempt to take away our humanity and turn us into robots. Both the reptilians and ourselves, look something like the Annunaki... and the bloodlines got somewhat mixed up, so we have at least some reptile in our make-up and those who are more reptile have some human make-up in them - though going by murderous people like Bush and his lot, not much. I keep telling people that they are not really human!

This is my own interpretation and there might be errors in some of that but from all the evidence both written and physical, there can be little doubt that this earth has been visited many times.

[tjohn]

Welcome tjohn! :)Limelady, you've gone very green! I hope it wasn't to do with anything I did or said!

[limelady]

Limelady, you've gone very green! I hope it wasn't to do with anything I said!

Lol...no....I'm just having a bit of fun with my av.

I'll come right again soon :D

[tjohn]

Lol...no....I'm just having a bit of fun with my av.
I'll come right again soon :DWell, I know that lime is green but you don't look human being all green.

[limelady]

Well, I know that lime is green but you don't look human being all green.

Yes, I do a lot of green, but thankfully it isn't me in my av, so you don't need to worry. :D

[squidman]

I was also thinking of the The Annunaki are not the Nephilim or the Fallen Angels video - it's one of my favourites (and the music is great).

Another one by the same guy (the music is different),
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syVyb4ebns0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syVyb4ebns0

As far as I know, no-one of our present age has been able to go back in time to fake all the writings and the many, many artefacts throughout the ages, which depict visitors coming from the sky - yet many religious people (esp Christians) find this subject difficult because they are afraid to think for themselves! Yet there it is, written down in many writings and written in stone the world over!

In my opinion that through the translation and interpretations of the bible, many things have been hidden from us and much has been turned upside down.

We ourselves were 'shining ones' and this is why two entwined Serpents represent DNA. It was the hybrid mixture of DNA that gave us spirituality and the ability to think for ourselves and feel.

This is where the biblical forbidden fruit of the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" comes in, because the Annunaki didn't want us to think too much but instead wanted us to be obedient slaves.

The bible says that after taking from the forbidden tree, "...the man has now become as one of us, to know good and evil." Become as one of us by doing something forbidden??? How can we become like God through disobedience? What's that all about then?

Instead of being blind obedient slaves to our creators (who have qualities of both good and evil), we decided to think for ourselves and hence we became (more) like them. As it says, "the man has now become as one of us, to know good and evil."

Since then much knowledge has been deliberatly hidden from us because from Annunaki's point of view, it turned out that En.Ki. made a mistake when they made us. The mistake has to do with our DNA. It is because of our hybrid DNA that we have feelings as well as having a concious mind and a will of our own. Make sense? In other words, we were too bright to continue to be slaves, as the lower ranks of the Annunaki (whom we were to replace) were.

Then what? Well, apparently they tried a similar experiment with unfeeling reptiles and many of these became our rulers who attempt to take away our humanity and turn us into robots. Both the reptilians and ourselves, look something like the Annunaki... and the bloodlines got somewhat mixed up, so we have at least some reptile in our make-up and those who are more reptile have some human make-up in them - though going by murderous people like Bush and his lot, not much. I keep telling people that they are not really human!

This is my own interpretation and there might be errors in some of that but from all the evidence both written and physical, there can be little doubt that this earth has been visited many times.

dont know if anyone said it (cant be bothered reading through a 1000 posts) but the brahma or the "spirtual leaders" of india where white aryans....(dont know hows its spelt?) which is sorta weird...


that is all!!!

[newdecades]

Was the annunaki being extraterrestrials theory started by Sitchin? Sitchin is wrong from what i've heard.

[limelady]

Was the annunaki being extraterrestrials theory started by Sitchin? Sitchin is wrong from what i've heard.

Sitchin translated Sumerian clay tablets, and it is some of his translations that people have questioned I believe.

While he may have gotten some things wrong, its highly unlikely he got it ALL wrong.

BTW.....welcome to the forum newdecades :)

[newdecades]

BTW.....welcome to the forum newdecades :)
Thanks:)

[tjohn]

Was the annunaki being extraterrestrials theory started by Sitchin? Sitchin is wrong from what i've heard.Sitchin is wrong about several things in my opinion - but that doesn't mean that the theory about Annunaki coming down from the sky and creating us is wrong. Very similar stories are found in many cultures around the world.

[jayelowell]

Even if it wasn't them IE; the Annunaki, we were seeded & have the D.N.A. of many extraterrestrials...
As stated through the Human Genome Project.
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/08/01288.html

http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-47.htm (http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-47.htm)

http://www.livevideo.com/video/Coffinman/DBFDF3B9967042EF838BE737320B23A3/human-genome-project-declares-.aspx

[1694]

Here is a cool sumerian artifact site you may find intresting

http://www.xfacts.com/ancient/
http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/astronomer/explore/enuma.html

Excellent resources, thank you.

[limelady]

Even if it wasn't them IE; the Annunaki, we were seeded & have the D.N.A. of many extraterrestrials...
As stated through the Human Genome Project.
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/08/01288.html

http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-47.htm (http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-47.htm)

http://www.livevideo.com/video/Coffinman/DBFDF3B9967042EF838BE737320B23A3/human-genome-project-declares-.aspx

I agree. Even if we were originally 'designer built' by the Anunnaki, it seems almost certain to me that we've all undergone further genetic tinkering along the way - perhaps by various other races who've dropped by here at various stages of our planetary history. So much of our past has been wiped out, lost, or deliberately obscured by those with vested interests.

But genes don't lie, and I think we're all in for a few more surprises yet.;)

[tjohn]

I agree with that. :)

[jayelowell]

I wanna apologize first because I have not read one post in this thread! I only read the title & notice it was in the religion section. I said to myself what a good way to make ppl aware of the origins from with religion stems from!

I would like to contribute to this thread by introducing you all to Jason Martel from http://xfacts.com/
His youtube channel is full of solid infomation!
http://www.youtube.com/user/jaser7

He speaks in a way that is just so easy to understand!

ps: I will subscribe to this thread so I can come back and read it later.
here's some intresting videos I recommend...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mHe211mLV0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e92s-Rfh4CI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD8gbKIRpj0

[tjohn]

ok

I'll take em one question at a time.

in the Sumerian tablets the two main rulers of earth were Enlil and Enki. These brothers ended up having a falling out. It is to my understanding that Enlil Became Yaweh, The god the the Jews and also the christians I would presume. And Enki became known as Baal, Lucifer, etc.

The problem I have having a hard time understand is in all of these stories Enlil/Yaweh is the ruthless one. Hateful of man for the most part not wanting them to be any thing more than slave who could not reproduce and thought of them as animals.

And it was Enki, who loved man and always wanted to show him things, help them, and ultimately save them from the flood.Yes it was but most people think that it was Yahweh who warned Noah of a coming flood.

So if Enki/Lucifer,stands for and goodness why do his followers do such evil with in the world? Because people are not following Enki and have been led to believe that the very cruel Hebrew god is God and the good guy. It then becomes more obvious that through religion, the characters have been switched around and disguised as 'God' and the 'Devil.'

We also were shining ones (Lucifer) or had the potential at the start but our brilliance was taken away from us for wanting more enlightenment. Hence we have the biblical forbidden "fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" which upon taking that forbidden 'fruit,' our eyes were opened. Then 'God' (Enlil's lot) being angry with our seeking enlightenment, cursed us and damaged our DNA.

This is why I started the tread; http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38371 but as expected it has been spoiled by people who do not have an open mind.

[lewi]

Excellent resources, thank you.

Hey No problem Glad you liked the link :)

[fist fury]

ok

I'll take em one question at a time.

in the Sumerian tablets the two main rulers of earth were Enlil and Enki. These brothers ended up having a falling out. It is to my understanding that Enlil Became Yaweh, The god the the Jews and also the christians I would presume. And Enki became known as Baal, Lucifer, etc.

The problem I have having a hard time understand is in all of these stories Enlil/Yaweh is the ruthless one. Hateful of man for the most part not wanting them to be any thing more than slave who could not reproduce and thought of them as animals.

And it was Enki, who loved man and always wanted to show him things, help them, and ultimately save them from the flood.

Enlil and Enki are not god's in the same sense as "Yahweh", a completely fictional, socio-political, cultic creation of Semites.

These two sumerian dieties represented the forces of nature and mankind, and the people respected them in that manner. Enlil was force in the tempest or of conquerors, he was active power. Enki was the fresh water that fertilized the land and knowledge to build a civilization, creative power.

Both of them were under An, the sky, and the "true" god in the sense that he was the all-powerful one, that after creation stayed in the highest heaven.

Yah is a hybrid of several gods, primarity EL the supreme god of the earliest Semites and in some aspects Ea (Hurrian Ayas or Sumerian Enki) where the flood story came from.

[serendipityinlife]

I don't completely trust Sitchin. I think he has his own agenda and he may be deliberately misinforming. Strange that we don't have other translations of these tablets and so much emphais has been based on the legends of the Sumarians. I'ts quite possible the Annunaki, whoever they were, actually lied to us about our origins just to keep our humanity from developing, possibly because a fully developed human is superior to the Annunaki? There is something suspicious about a techonolgically advanced race, who presumably could genetically engineer humans, needing slaves to mine gold. I'm sure their advanced technology would have extracted gold much more efficiently.

There is a much more interesting theory of human evolution put forward by Edgar Cayce. David does very briefly talk about him in one of his earlier books but suddenly Cayce disappears from David's research radar.

In short Cayce asserts human evolution was engineered by Christ because we fell from the high spiritual state we were in as a result of identifying with the physical world too much and forgetting our connection to God. The human body was engineered so that we could have a vehicle of gaining liberation from the trap we are in. Christ was Adam who fell from grace and it was at that moment of the fall he realised he had to become the saviour to show people a way out of this madness. He went through many significant incarnations, all noted characters in the Bible, before he became the Christ in the Jesus incarnation.

[thirdwave]

ok

I'll take em one question at a time.

in the Sumerian tablets the two main rulers of earth were Enlil and Enki. These brothers ended up having a falling out. It is to my understanding that Enlil Became Yaweh, The god the the Jews and also the christians I would presume. And Enki became known as Baal, Lucifer, etc.

The problem I have having a hard time understand is in all of these stories Enlil/Yaweh is the ruthless one. Hateful of man for the most part not wanting them to be any thing more than slave who could not reproduce and thought of them as animals.

And it was Enki, who loved man and always wanted to show him things, help them, and ultimately save them from the flood.

So if Enki/Lucifer,stands for and goodness why do his followers do such evil with in the world?

and if Enlil/Yaweh is the evil one, why do MOST jew and christians fundementaly stand for goodness?

It seems that Enki should be the good God and Enlil the Evil but the actions of their followers indicate otherwise.

Very confusing.

Lucifer...Satan... or who ever has never been "evil" ... that's just the bible and other mainstream religions creating a scare crow...

Also these things are not beings ... maybe at some stage the symbols where created from real people... or real races... but I don't think they are real beings from a story...

I think they represent an energy...a knowledge... and just because the PTB understand something it does not make it good or evil... just beneficial...

I think the thing about Lucifer is he is about self empowering ...confidence.. so on.... and this can easily be twisted into be selfish and ego driven.. which is not the case... its important stuff... you need balance.... the other god is all about submission ...giving... being selfless.... which can have its good points... but without the other it can also be very self destructive and offers your powers to another...

I believe this is why many are happy for the masses to fear Lucifer and see him as evil....

[fist fury]

Sitchin is not only a Jew, but a practicing one. He doesnt believe what he preaches.

His role is to distort the very human origins of Sumerian knowledge. He delibretly hides the facts to support the agenda of Semitic domination against the ancient wisemen of Mesopotamia.

Nibru/Nibiru is not a planet, it's the Sumerian name for the city of Nippur. It was the religious center of Kalam (the land) under Enlil, the storm, the mountain, and leader of the gods.

If you want to know what the Sumerians were talking about, why they reached a high level of civilization while those around them were living like herds. All you have to do is read the actual translations, learn some background information, and completely erradicate any Semitic distortions (no Yahweh, no Eden, no original sin, no genocide). Then you can be completely free of Sitchin's disinformation campaign.

[talkingchimp]

i believe we have been misled on sitchin's name - i recently discovered that he is known by his freemasonic friends as shitchin, as so much bull comes from his mouth!

[ranran]

in the Sumerian tablets the two main rulers of earth were Enlil and Enki. These brothers ended up having a falling out. It is to my understanding that Enlil Became Yaweh, The god the the Jews and also the christians I would presume. And Enki became known as Baal, Lucifer, etc.

The problem I have having a hard time understand is in all of these stories Enlil/Yaweh is the ruthless one. Hateful of man for the most part not wanting them to be any thing more than slave who could not reproduce and thought of them as animals.

And it was Enki, who loved man and always wanted to show him things, help them, and ultimately save them from the flood.

So if Enki/Lucifer,stands for and goodness why do his followers do such evil with in the world?

and if Enlil/Yaweh is the evil one, why do MOST jew and christians fundementaly stand for goodness?

It seems that Enki should be the good God and Enlil the Evil but the actions of their followers indicate otherwise.

Very confusing.

The basic theory is that “Luciferianism” is illumination. Problem, having knowledge is NOT having wisdom. It all stems from the fact that in religious stories, you have the “negative being” telling mankind about things or technology, (ie fire from the Gods, eat the apple and you will not die) that the “positive being” doesn't want people to know about, at least not at the moment the info is passed to man. This doesn't mean the knowledge wouldn't ever be given to people.

EXAMPLE -

Summoning “spirits” can be done for good or bad. The examples given by David Icke and others are of people using “spirits/Demons” to achieve and power over others ( selfishness). You can summon “Spirits/Angels” for positive things to benefit people and yourself.

It is all about the “intent” with which you do something. Also keep in mind that the energies you are dealing with. Demons are of a negative energy and thus when they are called you are surrounded by “negative energy” and also since the intent is usually negative or selfish, even after the spell is cast and the sacred circle is closed, the mind continues to focus on and send out “vibes” regarding the desire of your “heart”

If the Illuminati wanted, they could do positive things that would be of benefit to people and people would probably “love” them and the world would be a better place. However, their intent is fear and domination. Therefore things are like they are.

[felakuti]

It is possible that at one time prior, Enlilian influences held sway, barracking human thought, punishing disobedience to commands, in line with Enlil's arbitary, top-down approach to mankind, and pushed on earth by factions sympathetic to Enlil, such as christianity, islam, and judaism.

It is possible that an Enkian uprising or fightback is in place right now whereby the old Enlilian restrictions are being dismantled before our very eyes as Enkian factions seek to take back his creation. One way they may be planning this is by putting those three powerful Enlilian organisations (islam, christianity, and judaism) in a position of conflict so they can destroy one another, as Enkian ascendancy, heralded by a new age of knowledge takes their place.

Enkian religions like Buddhism are seen as the new lights, in line with the rise and rise of the East, and China...whose increasing political, economic, and industrial ties with that other (long suppressed) bastion of Enkian thought, Africa, is causing widespread alarm in Enlilian circles.

[lightgiver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PWxg-1KtiY&feature=related

The book of the "watchers" from Enoch the Prophet (the 7th from Adam)
Genesis 5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Hebrews 11:5
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Jude 1:14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGXmfTK5OvA

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumeregypt.html

[kidsarocker]

ok

I'll take em one question at a time.

in the Sumerian tablets the two main rulers of earth were Enlil and Enki. These brothers ended up having a falling out. It is to my understanding that Enlil Became Yaweh, The god the the Jews and also the christians I would presume. And Enki became known as Baal, Lucifer, etc.

The problem I have having a hard time understand is in all of these stories Enlil/Yaweh is the ruthless one. Hateful of man for the most part not wanting them to be any thing more than slave who could not reproduce and thought of them as animals.

And it was Enki, who loved man and always wanted to show him things, help them, and ultimately save them from the flood.

So if Enki/Lucifer,stands for and goodness why do his followers do such evil with in the world?

and if Enlil/Yaweh is the evil one, why do MOST jew and christians fundementaly stand for goodness?

It seems that Enki should be the good God and Enlil the Evil but the actions of their followers indicate otherwise.

Very confusing.

Lucifer is the great deceiver and has deceived man that he is man's best friend with the promise of worldly gifts and pleasure so that man will submit to him and carry out the plan for the NWO hence the term "one eyed deciever" but there is always a price to pay, once the NWO is complete Lucifer will stab his human agents/political leaders in the back and show his true colours.

Now IMO, the arrival of the Mahdi and Jesus is a trick to make the believers of Christianity accept the NWO beause it will be seen as a prophecy to be fullfilled for the return of Jesus and that God/Jesus & the Madhi will be victorious over Satan & the Anti-Christ, The Muslims have also been deceived even we have been deceived by our govt as they are depicted as the enemy - from a certain point of view they are correct but not the enemy of jews and Christians but the enemy of Satan and his agents and its time to pick a side.

But don't get me wrong there will be a "holy" WAR on earth but there will also be a battle in space.

Don't forget that this War was not predicted or prohesised in the bible or Quran but written in them as a blueprint because these interdimensional beings can live for thousands of years.

But it will be anyones guess as to who the victors will be, because if there is a God/Allah/the creator and it is written that God will be Victorious then why is Satan and his agents even trying to implement this NWO plan if both sides already know what the outcome will be?

All we (as humans) can do is to be prepared for this war - Physically, Mentally and Spiritually.

[kidsarocker]

Archangel, see link re Hitlers Jewich ancestery!!! Tne name Rothschild is involed !!! Its about half way down the article.

http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-2/adolf-hitler.htm

Yeah Rothshild and Rockefeller funded ww2 to form the state of Israel, do not forget that Zionism is not Judaism, they really don't give a damn about the jewish people

[fekdemasons]

Yeah Rothshild and Rockefeller funded ww2 to form the state of Israel, do not forget that Zionism is not Judaism, they really don't give a damn about the jewish people

Tell it to the Mods !

[lightgiver]

In the beginning, before men were created, the Anunnaki – the gods living on the earth – had to till the land and water it to grow their food. They found the work tiresome and too much trouble.

So they gave Enlil lordship of the earth. He summoned the Igigi, calling down from heaven the lesser gods, lower divinities without names, to do the work.

Besides tilling the soil, Enlil assigned to the Igigi the additional tasks of digging canals, river beds and keeping their channels clear. For thousands of years, the Igigi toiled for the Anunnaki. It was too much! They downed their tools and went as a group to the Ekur, Enlil’s citadel at Nippur, to demand relief.

When the Igigi arrived before Enlil’s stronghold, he ordered his doorkeeper, Nusku, to bar the gate to keep them out. But Nusku asked, “Why has your face become as pale as the tamarisk? Why do you fear your sons? Call the other gods and let them help solve this thing.”

So Enlil summoned the others, including Anu from heaven, and Enki, lord of the Abzu. Together, they stood on the ramparts of the Ekur and addressed the besiegers. “Why do you attack us?”

The Igigi answered as one, “The work you have assigned us is killing; we can no longer bear it. We have put a stop to digging and declared war.”

Then Enki took the gods inside to counsel them. “Why do we blame the Igigi? Their tasks are too hard.

“Look,” he continued, “the goddess Mami is with us. Let her create mortals, creatures to be our servants and to do our work. Then we can put the yoke of Enlil on these beings and let the Igigi return to heaven.”

The gods agreed and asked Mami to produce such creatures. But the Goddess of Midwifery demurred. “It is not prudent for me to attempt all this. Choose Enki instead, because he is wise and makes things right. If he will prepare clay suitable to the task, I will birth it.”

Enki responded, “If we use pure clay to make these new creatures, they will be like the animals, without intelligence. To make them capable of bearing the yoke of Enlil, we must slay one of the gods so his flesh and blood can be mixed with the clay to be made into a man. Then what we create will be god and man mixed together.”

The gods seized Geshtu-e, a god of wisdom, and slaughtered him. When his flesh and blood were taken and mixed with the clay, a ghost came into being so that none should ever forget him, or fail to remember that the new creature called man was part mortal and part divine.

Mami took the mixture and pinched off fourteen pieces, to create seven males and seven females. She presented them to the Anunnaki, saying, “I have done all you asked. You have slain a god of intelligence and mixed his flesh and blood with clay so I could engender men. I relieve you of wearisome work by imposing your yoke upon them. I have also bestowed upon them the ability to use the spoken word, so they may call to one another to help fulfill their tasks. Let each man choose a woman to wive so Ishtar can bless them with healthy children, to fill the earth with generations upon generations of servants.”

It was in this manner and for these reasons that man was created.

Twelve hundred years went by and the people grew numerous. The land became filled with them and their unceasing clamor. Enlil said, “The noise men make has become too much; I am losing sleep. Let Namtar come up from the depths of the Netherworld and distribute disease among them, so that their numbers and uproar may be reduced.”

The Herald of Death strewed sickness back and forth across the countryside and many died. A wise man in Shuruppak, by name of Atra-hasis, called upon Enki. “How long are the gods going to plague us? Will illness and death afflict us forever?”

Enki advised Atra-hasis, “Call together the elders. Speak to them; tell them to not worship their gods or take them offerings. Instead, let them build a house for Namtar in Shuruppak and let each household bake a loaf of fresh bread and take it to his door.”

The people listened and did as Enki advised. Namtar’s house was filled with fresh bread and surrounded with its pleasant aroma. The Herald of Death was shamed by the multitude of offerings. He drew back his hand so that disease abated. The people regained their health and the land returned to prosperity.

Another twelve hundred years passed and the people again became numerous. The Earth grew crowded and filled with a terrific din. Enlil said, “Once more, the noise made by men is causing me to lose sleep. Let’s cut off their food. Let my son, Ninurta, shut the sluice gates of heaven so that drought comes. Let crops fail and the people perish.”

When drought had held the land in its grip for six years and the people had become famished, Atra-hasis again went to Enki for help. “Call together the elders,” the god said. “Tell them not to worship their gods or make offerings to them. Instead, build a house for Ninurta. Then let each household take of what flour they have and bake a loaf of fresh bread to take to his door.”

Again, the people followed Enki’s advice. Ninurta’s house was filled with fresh bread and surrounded by its pleasant aroma. The young god knew bread was scarce and, though he was Enlil’s son, he was greatly shamed by the precious offerings given him by starving men, so he opened the clouds and let the rain fall. But nothing grew, for the land turned bitter and became encrusted with salt.

In the seventh year, when people began to eat their young, Atra-hasis went to Enki again. “We have no more flour to make bread. It rains, but the land no longer grows our crops. Will this scourge never end?”

“Call together the elders. Tell them to not worship their gods, nor make them offerings nor say prayers nor sing them songs of praise. Let the earth be as it was in the beginning; before men existed, when the gods struggled to grow their own food. Let the gods pick up their tools again and go back to tilling the land, without offerings or praise. Let them suffer.”

It was too much for the gods. Faint with hunger, they yearned to hear prayerful supplications and listen to sweet songs of praise. They relented and allowed Enki to cleanse the earth with sweet water drawn from the depths of the Abzu. With his pure water, he washed away the salt and made the land fertile again.

But, in another twelve hundred years, what had happened before occurred again. The people grew more numerous than ever and earth was filled with their shouting and curses. Enlil said, “I cannot sleep because of the bellowing of men, but I cannot bring them under control because of my brother, Enki. He protects them. Because he created them, they are his children. I will see him about this.”

So Enlil went to Enki and said, “You persuaded us to kill a god and used your power to create men. You imposed our yoke upon them but you also had Mami gift them with the spoken word. What you did was wrong, for men use their power to shout and curse and argue with each other. Now, you must swear an oath to correct the wrong you have caused. You must use your power against your creation and create a Flood to rid the earth of men.”

Enki replied, “Why should I swear an oath? And why should I use my power against my people? The Flood you mentioned, how do I have the power to give birth to such a thing? That’s work for you, Enlil, and your son, Ninurta. If you wish a Flood, then tell Ninurta to let it rain till the dams overflow and drown the land.”

Enlil was furious with Enki. “Then, I shall see it done myself; I will see that the Flood covers the earth. But, brother, you and all the Anunnaki, must promise not to try to obstruct what I am about to undertake; you must not warn men of my plan.”

With the other Anunnaki, Enki took an oath that he would not tell Enlil’s plan to any human.

That night, Enki went out and sat beside the reed wall of Atra-hasis’s house. He spoke aloud, saying, “Wall, listen to me! Reed hut, make sure you hear my words! Take this house apart and build a boat. Leave your worldly possessions behind and take aboard living things. Build the boat two stories high and pitch it with bitumen to make it strong and waterproof. For a flood will come that will last seven days and seven nights and the land will be under water.”

Now, as Enki spoke, Atra-hasis was inside his house and overheard everything the god said. The next day he hired carpenters and reed workers to tear down his house and build the boat the god described. The workmen ate and drank as they worked but Atra-hasis kept his distance, for his heart was breaking over those he knew would soon be drowned and he was vomiting bile.

The day arrived when Ninurta
bellowed from the clouds and the face of the weather changed. The winds came and Atra-hasis hurried his family and animals inside the boat. Then he cut the mooring rope and had bitumen handed up to seal the door.


The sky turned dark so no one could see anyone else. The flood roared toward them like a bull and, like a wild ass, the winds screamed overhead. There was no sun and darkness hid the land. Ninurta opened the clouds and water poured over the land. The goddess Mami watched the storm from above and wept for her people. “What father would have given birth to a raging sea?” she asked Enlil. The other gods and goddesses wept with Mami.

After the seventh night, Enlil ordered his son to stop the rain. As the waters receded, corpses were left strewn about like drowned dragonflies.

But, then, a sweet aroma from an offering went up and attracted the gods. They hovered overhead to catch the fragrance and Enlil spotted Atra-hasis and his boat. “How could anyone have survived the catastrophe?” he asked. “No form of life should have escaped. Who, but Enki, would have done this? My brother has broken his oath!”

Enki heard Enlil and answered, “Atra-hasis must have overheard me when worry caused me to talk aloud to myself. I did this in defiance of you, Enlil, to make sure life was preserved. But I never told him; I did not break my oath.”

“Men multiply continually,” Enlil said. “Again and again they crowd the earth and fill it with noise. I seek only to stop them so I’ll have peace. Why do you continue to defy me?”

“Because, brother, if you destroyed men to rid the earth of noise, who would be left to grow our food? It would be as it was in the beginning.”

Enlil perceived the wisdom in Enki’s answer and he was shamed. “Then, what is to be done?” he asked. “If nothing is changed, in another twelve hundred years, there will be too many people again.”

Enki said, “To prevent that from ever happening again, let the gods decree that a third of the women shall be barren and another third shall be unsuccessful in childbirth. In addition, let the women in the temples be made taboo, so they too will not bear children. By decreeing this, the gods will continue to have men for their servants but there will never be too many again, and the gods and men will live together evermore at peace.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57737

Atra-hasis
and the Flood

(This tale from Babylonia, dated ca. 1700 BCE, is the longest
and most comprehensive of the Mesopotamian Flood stories.)

CHARACTERS AND PLACES


Abzu – (also Apsu) the fresh water in rivers and beneath the ground.
Anu – (An in Sumerian) the chief god in heaven, father of the gods on the
earth.
Anunnaki – (sometimes Anunna) the gods who lived on the Earth.
Atra-hasis – (also Atrahasis, Utnapishtim, Ziusudra) the wise man of
Shuruppak who saved mankind in the Flood.
Ekur – (literally “mountain house”) Enlil’s citadel in Nippur, located on the
upper Euphrates River.
Enki – (Ea in Akkadian) Enlil’s brother; God of the Abzu, the wisest and
craftiest of the major gods on earth.
Enlil – (Ellil in Akkadian) Enki’s brother; God of the Air, the most power-
ful of the major gods on earth.
Geshtu-e – an unknown god, possibly a Sumerian play on words.
Igigi – the lesser gods in heaven without individual names.
Ishtar – (Inanna in Sumerian) Goddess of Love and War, represented by
Venus, the evening / morning star.
Mami – (Ninhursag, Ninmah and Nintu in Sumerian) The Earth Goddess;
Mother Nature.
Namtar – (also Namtara) Herald of Death; son of Ereshkigal, Queen of the
Netherworld.
Netherworld – a dark, dismal place underground where the dead spend
eternity.
Ninurta – (also Adad) Enlil’s son, a young storm god who rode the clouds.
Nippur – an ancient Sumerian city on the upper Euphrates River; a holy
city much like today’s Mecca.
Nusku – Enlil’s vizier and doorkeeper of the Ekur.
Shuruppak – an ancient city on the Euphrates River, midway between Nip-
pur and Ur.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Z-VyCcLvY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_43EC4DusuQ

[ongoing_journey]

Hello to all.

I have just signed up to the forum, but have been an avid fan for what David is trying to do for a while. Seen most of his videos, read books etc.

I have seen this post on the Anunaki and have recently been reading up on Sitchins books and I love all his info on ancient history. I have read the first book 'the 12th planet', the lost book of enki, the stairway to heaven, and have just started the 'lost realms'. I also feel a connection to the Egyption, incas, maya's civiliations. I am so over the lies we have all been told about where we came from, even though the bible does state things that are relatively based on deceit and out right lies painted as the truth!!!

One burning question that comes to mind recently is, if we were created by the Anunaki out of a genetic 'milk shake' of sorts and became human, I am puzzled about where we stand in the spiritual scheme of things?

What I am asking is where did our spiritual essence come from if we were just made by another 3rd dimentional being in a test tube of sorts?

Were we just awaiting in the spiritual realm for the chance to become incarnate in a 3rd dimentional body?

I read somewhere in the Flower of Life books (Drunvalo Melchizedek) that our creation also had something to do with the guys on the star system sirius?

Any help would be most appreciated.
(Boy from the Bush in good old Australia)

tried to shorten the quote...

hi Tired...love your question. I have been feeling such ahhhhh...close to distress hearing people make statements like they are some kind of alien creation, whether it be by annunaki or some race from somewhere out there in God's vast creation. Our Inner Essence, Inner Being as you sense with your Inner Being, was not created by some Alien, by some DNA genetic altering scientist from anywhere at anytime. Our Inner Being, being a part of God, the Universal Spirit, All That Is, Our Source, whatever name you use to describe that connection with the Infinite is and always has been, eternal. If any being from anywhere arrives and declares they are your parent, your creator, turn and walk the other way, for any Being of Truth conveys Freedom. You will find the history of our fall, ya, yours, mine and the many others, in the book The Children of The Law of One & The Lost Teachings of Atlantis by Jon Peniel. http://www.atlantis.to Free Chapters on Line...See the right hand side and scroll down... there is lots of ancient history in this book

[rwederfoort]

There was a Beautyfull Angel in heaven called LUCIFER, Cherubim Angels,
(The Four wings, and four headed angel.
They had the Likeness as earthlings man, an each one had 4 Faces , and each one of them had 4 Wings , and their Feet were straight FEET , and the Soul of their Feet were like the Soul off a foot of a Calf. The 4 of them had a man face, and a Lion Face to the Right, and Bull Face on the Left, and also a Eagle Face a t the Back. That’s the way their face were.)

He was. Who’s high Position was to Guard the Troon of GOD. Then one day the Sin of Pride came up to his Heart , he wanted to be Like GOD all Mighty. Lucifer in his madness , Intiched many Angels to Join him in a attempt to take over the Heaven and Earth. But LUCIFER had a Big problem he was also a created Being, GOD had to THROW THEM OUT of the LIGHT, To NIBIRU,,,,They were Sent. All Full of Hate Now Forever to Resent …NOW the Bit you may not have heard, .. Lucifers Real name is,…. ANU, Or as he LIKES to be called, KING ANU..! ANU is the LEADER of a RACE of Spirit Beings Called the ANUNNAKI.
Or as we call them, THE FALLEN ONES (ANGELS) The Annunaki are a REPTILIAN FORM of SPIRIT BEING, and ANU is KING. They are Great MASTERS of GENETIC
ENGINEERING, In ALL its SHAPES and FORMS. Their other GREAT ABILITY, is that they can MORPH their Appearance. TO LOOK as they PLEASE, Any FORM
They Liked to MANIFEST them Selfs.

So ANU and the ANNUNNAKI were cast out of HEAVEN, to forever RESIED on PLANET NIBIRU, And PLANET EARTH had just received its FIRST LIFE FORMS, which were once again left to NATURE.


It is NOW around 1000,000,000 Years AGO.So ANU and the ANNUNAKI, were left on their OWN, on the WANDERING PLANET NIBIRU , on its 3600 YEAR ORBIT Passing though OUR UNIVERSE .AND PLANET EARTH , it was left to NATURE

Its is now around 650,000,000 Years Ago.The Earth was finally ready for the First LIFE FORMS to be INTRODUCED So GOD with the help of some other Interested, LIKE MINDED SPIRIT BEING Called the ATLANTIANS, set About Creating NEW LIFE for PLANET EARTH. LIFE Began, and PLANET EARTH was Left to MATURE,

Now, let me try to explain :

So ANU and the ANNUNAKI were cast out off HEAVEN, to Forever RESIED on PLANET NIBIRU, and Planet EARTH had just received its First LIFE FORMS, which were once again left to MATURE

Its NOW around 120,000 Years AGO.
ANU and the ANUNNAKI are still in residence on PLANET NIBIRU, after been cast out from HEAVEN, BUT a problem has arose during the past few 100,000 YEARS, The ATMOSPHERE of NIBIRU started to DETERIORATE leading to the ANNUNAKI having to, FILTER the ATMOSPHERE, in Order to stay on NIBIRU, but for the FILTERS To work, LARGE QUANTITIES of GOLD are required, The ANUNNAKI were able to EAISALY EXTRACT this GOLD, from NEARBY PLANET, but after a LONG period of TIME, All the EASILY EXTRACTED GOLD had been EXSHUSTED, NOW , ANU and the ANUNNAKI had a BIG PROBLEM, there was NO NEARBY SOURCE of GOLD To be FOUND. So ANU took the only available option left open to him, He went CAP in HAND to see GOD, and explained the SITUATION on NIBIRU, ANU PLEADED with GOD for HELP.

GOD took PITY on HIM, and so made ANU a PROPOSAL, HE explained to ANU that PLANET EARTH, was ready for the INTRODUCTION of the NEW HUMAN SPECIES,
And that IF the ANUNNAKI being MASTERS of GENETICS, WERE to HELP with the DEVELOPMENT, of the HUMANS, HE would ALLOW ANU, for a WHILE, to EXTRACT GOLD From EARTH, To this ANU AGREED, And SO the HUMAN RACE was BORN, and the ANUNNAKI collected their GOLD.


It is NOW around 6600 YEARS AGO. All the EASILY obtainable GOLD had been REMOVED from PLANET EARTH by the ANUNNAKI, so they had to look ELSEWHERE, But that’s another Story. ANU was STILL FULL of HATE and RESENTMENT, TOWARDS GOD for being CAST OUT, BUT ANU had a PLAN for REVENGE!!!.
ANU had PLENTY of TIME to PLAN his REVENGE. HE knew that one of GODS GREATEST PLEASURES, was HIS newly CREATED Planet EARTH , and HIS NEW CHILDREN, THE HUMAN RACE, So ANU decided that he would make this, the FOCUS of HIS REVENGE on GOD. NIBIRU was nearing one of its 3600 YEAR PASSES, Though OUR UNIVERSE, CLOSE to EARTH. NOT that DISTANCE was NOW A CONCERN, TO the ANUNNAKI, SINCE due to their MASSIVE appetite for GOLD, and SUBSEQUENT NEED to be ABLE to,
TRAVEL HUGE DISTANCES for the RECOVERY THERE OF, THEY Have by UTILIZING and HARNESSING , the NATURAL ENERGYS from within NIBIRU, and with the
Help of some OTHER SPIRIT BEINGS, of a TECHNICAL NATURE. Managed to TURN NIBIRU, into ONE HUGE STARGATE, a STARGATE works like a WORMHOLE,
Enabling instantaneous Travel. Not Only of DISTANCE, but InterDimesnionally As Well. NIBIRU is a REAL PLANET., But is NOT an ACTUAL PART of OUR PHYSICAL DIMENSION.

IT belongs to a HIGHER PLANE of RESONANCE, BUT STILL it has a VERY REAL EFFECT on EARTH, during its BRIEF but MOMENTOUS FLY BY, As Nibiru came close To EARTH, ANU began STAGE 1 of his PLAN, The POPULATION of HUMANS on EARTH, at this time was very small, and they were mainly CONCENTRATED into ONE AREA Of the EARTH. This PLACE was called SUMERIA, an AREA known today as IRAQ.

The ONLY other INHABITANTS on PLANET EARTH at this TIME, were the group of SPIRIT BEINGS who had HELPED. GOD with the CREATION of EARTH in the beginning,
THE ATLANTIANS, THEY had being asked by GOD, to take up RESIDENCE on EARTH, in a LOCATION that would NOT BE KNOWN to the HUMANS. So the ATLANTIANS
Set up HOME on a LARGE ISLAND, where they build a MAGNIFICENT City (“ATLANTIS”). Their PURPOSE was to be GUARDIANS over PLANET EARTH, this was just Before the FIRST HUMANS were INTRODUCED, to Earth over 120,000 Years Ago. So ANU was about to set his PLAN into MOTION, But what was his PLAN?

ANU’s PLAN was to TAKE OVER GODS BELOVED Planet EARTH, and then PLACE HIS newly found HUMAN CHILDREN into SALVERY, And so it BEGAN, The ANUNNAKI’s first task was to setup a SHIELD, or CLOAKING Device,
which was large enough to cover the whole of SUMERIA, This was CONCEAL their arrival on EARTH. From THE ATLANTIANS and of course GOD, This was to be accomplished by FOCUSING the ENERGY FIELDS, Produced by the STARGATE and NIBIRU, on an AREA that
COVERED the SUMERIANS LANDS. Like a GIANT UMBRELLA, This would CONCEAL the Presence of the ANNUNAKI while on EARTH. And it was MADE SO, THEN..
Down to Earth, from Nibiru HE did COME, a GOD from Heaven, ANU the BUM, then, with GODS CHILDREN, HE did Play, they CALLED this, ANUNNAKI DAY.!

Its now Arround 6500 YEARS Ago,
ANU and a special Group of the Annunaki, left Nibiru. Destination Planet Earth, and Summeria, ANU had thought CAREFULLY about the kind of reception he would Receive from the Sumerians , SO before leaving they MORPHED Themselves to Look Like Humans, so as Not to FRIGHTEN the SUMERIANS, who never had a VISIT, from
A NON MORTAL before, I wont go into Detail about MORPHING other than to Say, that the ANUNNAKI have practiced, this ART for AEONS of TIME, and that they use a FORM of, Variable Constant HOLOGRAPHIC MANIFESTATION, that’s is directly proportional to HOST MASS, in other words they can look how they please, BUT they cannot Hide their SIZE. ( A prime Annunaki can be up to 10FT TALL., and WEIGHT over 200 Lbs, enough said. So ANU and the group of SPECIAL Annunaki, descend from HEAVENS,
WITH FLASHING LIGHTS. Into HEARTLAND SUMMERIA, BUT how did they get from NIBIRU to Earth? They came down in a SPACECRAFT. There are many means of Travel though the Dimensions. But the main users of what you and I, would call SPACESHIPS or U.F.O. ,s are BEINGS who are mainly from, the 4th and 5th DIMENSIONS. BEINGS of a HIGHER LEVEL, have no need for a “SPACESHIP” as they can LOCATE via THOUGHT, and the “MERKABAH” the WHAT? “MERKABAH”
(“We are one with the cosmos whether we realize it or not”) We are more than just finite physical beings living one life, in one place at one point in time.)

ANU and his SPECIALLY Selected group. Of WHOM there were 11 in TOTAL, Landed close to the Largest Settlement in Sumeria, and the Initial RECEPTION, was NOT QUITE the Great Joy and Excitement ANU was expecting, WORD soon spread across Sumeria. THE GODS HAVE COME DOWN FROM THE HEAVENS”
And before long… it seemed as though the WHOLE of SUMERIA had came to PAY HOMAGE. ANU wasted no Time, he Gathered together all the most Important people And proceeded to TELL them, That HE was their GOD and CREATOR. He Told them that he ALONE had Created, the EARTH and the STARS and ALL the HEAVENS.
He told of how 1000’s of years ago, HE had BROUGHT the TREE of LIFE to EARTH, and PLANTED it in a place they called “E’DEN” and that he THERE CREATED The 1st HUMANS, who HE called the “ADEMU” , and FEED them with the FRUIT FROM the TREE of LIFE, he then Performed a Few “MAGIC” TRICKS, and for this finally HE told them that HE GOD ANU had decided, that along with HIS Group of 11 “under gods” who had come down from the HEAVENS, to be with HIS PEOPLE and LIVE amongst them, and how HE would TEACH the SUMERIANS, SECRET KNOWLEDGE OF THE STARS, and Learn them SCIENCE, and Mathematics,
With this Announcement the CROWD FELL to their KNEES, and all BOWED DOWN Before HIM .

The SUMMERIANS had been TOTALY DECEIVED by ANU, and HIS CHEAP TRICKS and SHOWMANSHIP, They took ANU and the 11 into their HOMES, Where they were made WELCOME. And soon the SUMMERIANS began building HOMES for the ANNUNAKI, The first part of ANU’S PLAN was in PLACE, And they lived as GODS amongst MEN. ANU knew that the only PROBLEM with his Plan, To TAKE OVER EARTH and ENSLAVE the HUMANS, was that HE was
Hopelessly OUT NUMBERED, and could NOT really on support from elsewhere, THE Anunnaki being of SPIRIT, are UNABLE to REPRODUCE themselves. The ONLY ONE who is CAPEABLE of CREATING SPIRIT BEING is GOD. Which means that the ANNUNAKI’s numbers are at a FIXED level.

ANU begain the second part of HIS plan, Due to HIS ENVOLVEMENT in HELPING GOD, Developing the HUMAN RACE, He had a GREAT KNOWLEDGE of their BIOLOGICAL Make up, and AFTER YEARS of Experimentation he found a way of MODIFYING a FEW of HIS fellow ANNUNAKI, so that they would be able to REPRODUCE, with the HUMAN
FEMALES. THIS would allow ANU to RAISE HIS Army against GOD, and HIS accompanying BAND of 11, are the CHOSEN ONES, DESTAINED to be the FOUNDING FATHERS, of a NEW HYBRID RACE. Half Human and half Reptile, this would be a DOUBLE EDGE SWORD, to STRIKE with, the SWORD against GOD, It allows ANU to INCREASE
His Numbers. While at the same TIME, Contaminating GOD’s Pure Human BLOOD LINE, with ANUNNAKI BLOOD. (Which is BLUE).

So ANU told the People of SUMMERIA, that HE had decided that HIS 11 under GODS, Should Take WIVES. From whom they would BEAR CHILDREN, and it was made SO, it was Considered to be the ULTIMATE PRIVELEGE, to become the WIFE and BEAR CHILDREN to one of the 11, GENESIS 6:2 The sons of GOD saw that the daughters of Men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose A YEAR goes by and CHILDREN, start to be BORN, The First of the NEW HYBRID RACE, of Reptilian HUMANOIDS. Genesis 6:4 When the sons of GOD came into the Daughters
Of men, and they bore Children to them, Those were the mighty men who were of OLD, men of Renown.


HERALDS the opening of a New Chapter, in the HISTORY of MANKIND. The BIRTH of this NEW RACE, of “HYBRID REPTILIAN HUMANOIDS” Was a GREAT OCCASION
For ANU, For, “THEY ARE ALL HIS CHILDREN” , a RACE of BEINGS destined to be NAMED the “NEPHILIM” , GENESIS 6:4 The Nephilim were on the Earth in those days, and
Also afterward. ANU had announced that after the Birth of the 12th Child of Annunaki BLOOD, He would PERFORM a MIRACLE, a MIRACLE so Magnificent , it would FOREVER
UPHOLD HIS RULE OVER PLANET EARTH, During the Previous 12 Months. The Weather and SEISMIC ACTIVITY, Earth was Experiencing had been getting PROGRESSIVELY
Worse, This was due to the Proximately of NIBIRU, Now approaching its CLOSETS point to EARTH during its 3600 Year ORBIT, NIBIRU is about 5 TIMES the SIZE of EARTH.

Its MASSIVE ENERGY AURA FLOWING out before it, Causing major Disruption to Every Planet in our Universe. It is THIS Energy AURA that PENETRATES, Through the Spiritual DIMENSIONS Into our Physical Universe. And are the COURSE of the EFECTS we see. Both on Earth and the Planets of our Universe. The EFFECTS on Earth can VARY. From one ORBIT to the NEXT, this is a result of NIBIRU”S ORBIT, having a SLIGHT WOBBLE in it which seems to revolve in a CYCLE of the MAGIC number “7” it gets Progressively closer to EARTH, ON each of its 3600 Passes causing MAXIMUM disruption to EARTH on EVERY 7th ORBIT. IF an 8th ORBIT were to occur
Along the same CALCULATED PROGRESSIVE TRAJECTORY. The resulting scenario would be along the Lines of EARTHS original Formation EARTH would RECEIVE a DIRECT IMPACT, from ONE of NIBIRUS Orbiting Satellites, Even though it would be only a fraction the SIZE of EARTH, and NOT PART of our physical plane the sudden MERGING
Together of Earth and ONE of NIBIRU’s Moons, Into the same Space, Time, Would for PLANET EARTH and ALL LIFE, There on, Be both all Encompassing and Final.

The initial PRESSURE WAVE caused by the IMPACT , would Literally Lift up and Disperse, Whole Continents into the ATMOSPHERE , Followed by the mother of ALL PRO Plastic Flows.
That WOULD ENCOMPASSE the whole of the WORLD. So maybe its just GOOD Luck, that JUST AS NIBIRU comes its Closest to EARTH. GOD seems to GIVE
NIBIRU a NUDGE, Causing it to WOBBLE. Back into its ORIGINAL ORBIT Away from EARTH. And the CYCLE of 7 BEGINS again. BACK to the STORY.

The EFFECTS of NIBIRU on EARTH were reaching their PEAK, HUGE Storms, and POWERFULL EARTH QUAKES, were OCCURING ALL Around the WORLD, The result
Of Nibiru’s ENERGY FIELDS starting to take HOLD of EARTH, ANU Did NOT want HIS Arrival to be seen as a BAD OMEN. And had planed for these times, the CLOAKING DEVICE COVERING Sumeria. Prouced on its EXTERNAL SURFACE and Area of Positive Pressure, which DEFLECTED the worst of the ATMOSPHERIC TURMOIL. Around Sumeria.
Any large EARTHQUAKES were to be COUNTERACTED, via HARMINISATION of the CLOAKING DEVICE with EARTHS NATURAL RESONANCE, and ANY
ABNORMALITY being counteracted by, a GHOST IMAGE of the EARTHQUAKES Resonance, being DIRECTLY, INPUT BACK to EARTH, via the Cloaking Device, There by NEUTERALISING the worst EFFECTS. ALL was going well, as ANU had planned, and THEN timed TO the DAY came the Birth of the 12th CHILD of ANNUNAKI BLOOD.

[miracles]

ok

I'll take em one question at a time.

in the Sumerian tablets the two main rulers of earth were Enlil and Enki. These brothers ended up having a falling out. It is to my understanding that Enlil Became Yaweh, The god the the Jews and also the christians I would presume. And Enki became known as Baal, Lucifer, etc.

The problem I have having a hard time understand is in all of these stories Enlil/Yaweh is the ruthless one. Hateful of man for the most part not wanting them to be any thing more than slave who could not reproduce and thought of them as animals.

And it was Enki, who loved man and always wanted to show him things, help them, and ultimately save them from the flood.

So if Enki/Lucifer,stands for and goodness why do his followers do such evil with in the world?

and if Enlil/Yaweh is the evil one, why do MOST jew and christians fundementaly stand for goodness?

It seems that Enki should be the good God and Enlil the Evil but the actions of their followers indicate otherwise.

Very confusing.

Why is it confusing? One is lieing and one is telling the truth. By their fruits you will know them. Why this thread is sticky beats the "dreamworld we believe to be a lie" out of me.

[kblood]

I dont believe either of them to be evil. I guess even they needed us to evolve spiritually though. If any of it is true that is.

Lucifer from what I can understand gave us free will and therefore we could do evil. Not just driven by instinct, so in a way he put evil into our world. Through religion we have therefore named a being Satan. Maybe to escape responsibility of our actions I guess.

I believe these beings might still be here. Still have physical bodies. Maybe they just jump in and out though.

[annunakis_child]

I don't believe "Lucifer" was involved in all that. I lean more towards the Book of Enoch and Genesis 6 about the Watchers, and realize we are dealing with a difference in names: Sumerian and Hebrew interpretations.
The 200 Watchers were angelic (aliens) who did not follow Lucifers rebellion and instead broke off and came to earth.
The Bible never calls them demons or serpents, and thier offspring were known as "men of old, mighty men of renoun." It then said MAN became violent... perhaps because of the knowledge taught by the Watchers, but the Watchers did not do this intentionally.
There begins a controversy when some people say all Watchers and thier offspring died in the flood. Not so. "And also AFTER that, the sons of god came..." Genesis 6 says.
Some escaped the flood, probably by craft or teleportation... (Craft I know some did)... and it continued on.
The migration of the children of the Watchers can be traced through many writings... they dispersed and unfortunately left thier homeland to human despots as we presently have witnessed. The children Of Ishmael are not the children of the Watchers - they are human of the line of Abraham.
the Children of the Watchers are scattered... many in Europe, North America, and various other places to an extent...... even the ancient Egyptians scattered..... some mixed with southern Europeans, mainly France, and Native Americans....

[tjohn]

ok

I'll take em one question at a time.

in the Sumerian tablets the two main rulers of earth were Enlil and Enki. These brothers ended up having a falling out. It is to my understanding that Enlil Became Yaweh, The god the the Jews and also the christians I would presume. And Enki became known as Baal, Lucifer, etc.

The problem I have having a hard time understand is in all of these stories Enlil/Yaweh is the ruthless one. Hateful of man for the most part not wanting them to be any thing more than slave who could not reproduce and thought of them as animals.

And it was Enki, who loved man and always wanted to show him things, help them, and ultimately save them from the flood.

So if Enki/Lucifer,stands for and goodness why do his followers do such evil with in the world? They don't! Only those who follow the religious interpretation of En.ki, seen as the "the devil" do. En.ki, unlike his brother En.lil was the one who showed most compassion for humankind.

and if Enlil/Yaweh is the evil one, why do MOST jew and christians fundementaly stand for goodness? They pretend to but they don't - and at this time especially the "Jews" don't! Take a look at what Jews are doing to the Palestinians!

It seems that Enki should be the good God and Enlil the Evil but the actions of their followers indicate otherwise.It seems to me that religion has turned it upside down!

[abigail]

........Thoth as well as quetzalcoatl?

[mynameis]

Sitchin is not only a Jew, but a practicing one. He doesnt believe what he preaches.

link?

[lightgiver]

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/414/frankdying.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/frankdying.jpg/)

A Secret Ritual of the Illuminati, or “Frank’s Death-bed” by Jonathan Sellers,
those present include Zecharia Sitchin, Meade Layne, Mr. Sellers, Dr. Greenfield, Aleister Crowley, Mark Probert, Father_ACME, and, lying on the death-bed: Jacob Frank.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68047&page=4

Sitchin was born in Baku, Azerbaijan, and was raised in Palestine. He acquired some knowledge of modern and ancient Hebrew, other Semitic and European languages, the Old Testament, and the history and archaeology of the Near East. Sitchin graduated from the London School of Economics, University of London, majoring in economic history. A journalist and editor in Israel for many years, he now lives and writes in New York City.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8858/13thw.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/13thw.jpg/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ArXEOo2iU0

"Many [modern-day Jews] of whom have clamored to go back [to Palestine] NEVER had antecedents [physical ancestors] in that part of the world....

The OVERWHELMING majority of Jews are descendants from the converts of Khazaria and elsewhere who ADOPTED Judaism....

This VIEW of the NON-ethnicity of the largest portion of Jewry IS SUSTAINED by such prominent anthropologists as Ripley, Weissenberg, Hertz, Boas, Pittard, Fishberg, Mead and others. . "

-Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal

"... Though many Jews are NOT of Semitic origin, we are the religious, spiritual, and national [but NOT genetic] descendants of those who first formed the early foundations of Judaism who were Semites"

- Rabbi Cyril A. Stanway in "Viewpoints," Thursday, November 8, 1990, in the Sun-News (Las Cruces, New Mexico)

. ." these Eastern European, Yiddish-speaking Jews who form the Zionist group practically in toto [almost entirely], have NEITHER a geographic, historic NOR ethnic connection with either the Jews [Israelite Judahites] of the Old Testament OR the land known today as Palestine. "

- Jewish Dr. Benjamin H. Freedman, published by the National Economic Council, Inc. as "Council Letter No. 177 (October 15, 1947)

Revelation 2:9, "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not but are a synagogue of Satan." And 3:9, "I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie; indeed I will make them to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRyidjyPII0

They've stolen all your money, Now they want to make sure your children never own anything either.

[enga]

The person to convince me of "meddling" with our DNA was Lloyd Pye he uses a lot of my favourite science "Common Sense". All primates have 48 Chromosomes and we have 46, you don't loose Chromosomes under evolution you would gain them if at all and there are too many deformities in our DNA and in nature any deformities in an animal at birth seldom is allowed to live or make it to breeding age, law of the jungle n all. I found it a pretty conceivable theory,

He also said that according to our history the great Pyramids were built within a 100 year period, again under common sense there are roughly 6 million stones that make up all the pyramids of Egypt with an average weight of 3.5 tons each. So for them to be made within 100 years that would mean 1 x 3.5 ton stone would need to be laid every 8.5 minutes without a break for 100 years solid. There is also the fact that you cant get a razor blade between the stones even to this day which for any stone mason would take a hell of a long time to get each stone perfect and no mortar was used either and then it would have to be lifted and positioned perfectly every 8.5 minutes. If the time scale is correct, no way any human did this without seriously advanced technology, or the historical time scale would need to be way off but these ancient people were better at keeping time than we are today. www.lloydpye.com check it out

I just looked up chromosomes, not really knowing much about them. It appears we are giant bunnies, we have 46 like hares. It varies a great deal amongst species. Just look at the chromosomes on that shrimp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_number_of_chromosomes_of_various_organisms

[lightgiver]

I just looked up chromosomes, not really knowing much about them. It appears we are giant bunnies, we have 46 like hares. It varies a great deal amongst species. Just look at the chromosomes on that shrimp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_number_of_chromosomes_of_various_organisms

Check out video;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHfEwIYxwaI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlpL5HfPDdg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgqjLMESS78

Its all a bit of a melting pot TBH.

Not Forgetting the Aussies,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C4Z4Pckcew

Ground breaking research by Geneticist Dr. Stephen Oppenheimer has revealed amazing facts about Australias racial composition and our evolutionary origins, set to turn cultures of countries populated by British people on its ear. In his book entitled The Origins of the British A Genetic Detective Story Oppenheimer revealed that the population of England had not been replaced by Germanic genes through invasions as had long been taught. Dr. Oppenheimer found that three quarters of English people can trace an unbroken line of genetic descent through their parental genes to Basque/Celt tribesmen 35,000years ago in Northern Spain and Southern France. The findings showed that the English, Welsh, Scots, and Irish all shared a common genetic haplogroup R1b and that Germanic/Saxon genes had contributed barely a fraction to the English gene pool. The people of British descent around the world are a homogeneous race and share the same DNA as the French, Spanish, Northern Italy, Basque Country, Canada, USA, Mexico, South America.

Out of Eden (UK title) A.K.A. The Real Eve (US title)

This work, published in 2004, focuses on Oppenheimer's hypothesis that modern humans emerged from East Africa in a single major exodus numbering no more than a few hundred individuals. This lone group of wanderers, he suggests, became the ancestors of all non-Africans and of most North Africans, their descendants having since radiated into a plurality of physical characteristics, languages, ethnicities and cultures as seen today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Oppenheimer
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/stephenoppenheimer/stephen-oppenheimer.html

By far the majority of male gene types in the British Isles derive from Iberia (modern Spain and Portugal), ranging from a low of 59% in Fakenham, Norfolk to highs of 96% in Llangefni, north Wales and 93% Castlerea, Ireland. On average only 30% of gene types in England derive from north-west Europe. Even without dating the earlier waves of north-west European immigration, this invalidates the Anglo-Saxon wipeout theory... ...75-95% of British and Irish (genetic) matches derive from Iberia...Ireland, coastal Wales, and central and west-coast Scotland are almost entirely made up from Iberian founders, while the rest of the non-English parts of the Britain and Ireland have similarly high rates. England has rather lower rates of Iberian types with marked heterogeneity, but no English sample has less than 58% of Iberian samples...

[mynameis]

link?

Sitchin is not only a Jew, but a practicing one. He doesnt believe what he preaches.

So nobody knows an answer...I see that answers my question....

[lightgiver]

So nobody knows an answer...I see that answers my question....

You need to look in his back ground and where he was born to answer your question.

I have put some info there,but you appear to have overlooked it.

Check Post 140,

If you could prove he is not ,then that's fine,but my (spidy sense) states otherwise.

TBH, I feel also the Real Jews are being misrepresented and used,due to the Zionists(iiluminati) who want to take over everything with their poisonous tentacles,a lot like they did in WW2,

Not forgetting who financed it all.


JOSHUA BEN JOSEPH

Sitchin’s work may give a few explanations, though as he is a good Jew these were never intended.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/esp_sitchin_8.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/ill/hebrewisrael/edomandkhazars.htm

and also I feel the times and dates are wrong with Sitchins interpretation,people(homo sapiens) were already existing a long time before the Sumerian Annunaki accounts,or so we are told?

The Oldest Homo Sapiens: Fossils Push Human Emergence Back To 195,000 Years Ago

ScienceDaily (Feb. 28, 2005) — When the bones of two early humans were found in 1967 near Kibish, Ethiopia, they were thought to be 130,000 years old. A few years ago, researchers found 154,000- to 160,000-year-old human bones at Herto, Ethiopia. Now, a new study of the 1967 fossil site indicates the earliest known members of our species, Homo sapiens, roamed Africa about 195,000 years ago.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/050223122209.htm

Sumer (Sumerian: ������ ki-en-ĝir15[1][2], Akkadian: Šumeru; possibly Biblical Shinar) was a civilization and a historical region located in Southern Iraq (Mesopotamia), known as the Cradle of civilization. It lasted from the first settlement of Eridu in the Ubaid period (late 6th millennium BC) through the Uruk period (4th millennium BC) and the Dynastic periods (3rd millennium BC) until the rise of Babylon in the early 2nd millennium BC. The term "Sumerian" applies to all speakers of the Sumerian language.

The cities of Sumer were the first to practice intensive, year-round agriculture (from ca. 5300 BC). However, it should be noted that such agriculture appeared independently in multiple civilizations close to the same time as Sumer. The surplus of storable food created by this economy allowed the population to settle in one place instead of migrating after crops and grazing land. It also allowed for a much greater population density, and in turn required an extensive labor force and division of labor. This organization led to the necessity of record keeping and the development of writing (ca. 3500 BC).

You see it does not add up what Sitchin is saying,unless the Annunaki ,did their business over tens of thousands of years ago?

Homo sapiens, roamed Africa about 195,000 years ago.

[mynameis]

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/414/frankdying.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/frankdying.jpg/)

A Secret Ritual of the Illuminati, or “Frank’s Death-bed” by Jonathan Sellers,
those present include Zecharia Sitchin, Meade Layne, Mr. Sellers, Dr. Greenfield, Aleister Crowley, Mark Probert, Father_ACME, and, lying on the death-bed: Jacob Frank.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68047&page=4

Sitchin was born in Baku, Azerbaijan, and was raised in Palestine. He acquired some knowledge of modern and ancient Hebrew, other Semitic and European languages, the Old Testament, and the history and archaeology of the Near East. Sitchin graduated from the London School of Economics, University of London, majoring in economic history. A journalist and editor in Israel for many years, he now lives and writes in New York City.

Since Stichin wouldn't have been born there is no way that the Jacob Frank would have met him. You have produced doctored information and regarding that point, where Stichin was born does not answer the question, nor does it satisfy anyone who asks. Thanks for the misinformation....Anyone else have real information instead of smoke and mirrors?

[lightgiver]

Since Stichin wouldn't have been born there is no way that the Jacob Frank would have met him. You have produced doctored information and regarding that point, where Stichin was born does not answer the question, nor does it satisfy anyone who asks. Thanks for the misinformation....Anyone else have real information instead of smoke and mirrors?

I Know Sitchen wasn't born then,the picture is a bigger picture,it is not dis information at all<and its not doctored either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Frank_dying.jpg

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14658305/The-Secret-Rituals-of-the-Men-in-Black

and if anyone with common sense googles, is sitchin a jew,you may be surprised.

http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001719.html

That how the ELITES WORK MATE,SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

ANYWAY BACK TO INFO, I CAME ACROSS THIS.

Central to Alford's theory is the increasingly accepted realization by modern science of the amazing and improbable nature of man's evolutionary history. Homo erectus emerged from the apes about six million years ago, according to Alford and others, and for millions of years thereafter changed hardly at all.

Then, abruptly, about 200,000 years ago (Alford gives a figure of 184,000 years, based on his Sumerian readings), homo sapiens emerged from homo erectus and our species took a remarkable leap forward in a very short span of time (evolutionarily speaking), acquiring a 50 percent increase in brain size, language capability, and an utterly changed modern anatomy. At the dawn of history, in ancient Sumeria, the leap became an exponential curve as mankind acquired in a few short centuries most of the benefits, albeit in primitive form, of modern civilization.
http://www.atlantisrising.com/backissues/issue13/ar13annunaki.html

[mynameis]

I Know Sitchen wasn't born then,the picture is a bigger picture,it is not dis information at all<and its not doctored either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Frank_dying.jpg

Did I say the picture was doctored? I don't recall writing that? You information has no credibility beyond trying to claim it has a lick of common sense, which it does not. Anyone else other than Lightgiver have credible information regarding the question I asked for? How does one associate Stichin being of Jewish decent? Link?

[lightgiver]

Did I say the picture was doctored? I don't recall writing that? You information has no credibility beyond trying to claim it has a lick of common sense, which it does not. Anyone else other than Lightgiver have credible information regarding the question I asked for? How does one associate Stichin being of Jewish decent? Link?

Doctored info still the same thing,now I do not want you hounding me on here like you hounded me on the 911 section.(because I canny be arsed).

Google is sitchen a Jew, look at where he was born,listen to how he speaks,it does not take a genius to work it out,what do you want ,his birth certificate.

BTW I am not anti Jew,if thats what you may be thinking.

An Open Letter to Zecharia Sitchin:

I do believe that Mr. Sitchin has done some kind of work in the ancient languages (though I have never seen academic credentials in the form of degrees or transcripts), but some of the mistakes he makes are at so basic a level of language knowledge that I sincerely doubt he knows ANY of the ancient languages he says he does. I'm guessing that with Hebrew, for example, Mr. Sitchin (being Jewish) can sight-read the language but doesn't understand ancient Biblical Hebrew grammar (much like many English readers don't have a real grasp of the mechanics of English grammar). I have seen little that convinces me that Mr. Sitchin knows any ancient languages, much less demonstrating that he is a language "expert". I say this because of Mr. Sitchin's linguistic mistakes (see below), and because he rarely interacts with scholarly articles pertaining to any linguistic material in the texts he uses. Unfortunately, there are even points he just makes up.

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/open_letter.htm

Michael S. Heiser
PhD candidate, Department of Hebrew and Semitic Studies
University of Wisconsin-Madison

Featured here are the works of Zecharia Sitchin, a Jewish scholar who has spent much of his life re-translating, analyzing and unravelling the writings of Sumeria, Arkadia, Egypt and Babylon with astounding revelations. With the knowledge that we now have (as compared to 100 years ago) regarding Space, Science and Technology, his newly translated works bring together the most ancient writings of man, chronologically linking the ancient tales of the oldest Middle Eastern empires with those of the Book of Genesis.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/esp_sitchin_8.htm

If someone insulting should spread ugly rumours about us with cruel words unpleasant to hear,
And even if what he has said spreads to others and gains wide acceptance as being the truth;
Yet out of our wish for the one who has maligned us to conquer his trouble and gain peace of mind,
Praise all his virtues and treat him with kindness - the Sons of the Buddhas all practise this way.

[mynameis]

Doctored info still the same thing,now I do not want you hounding me on here like you hounded me on the 911 section.(because I canny be arsed).

Google is sitchen a Jew, look at where he was born,listen to how he speaks,it does not take a genius to work it out,what do you want ,his birth certificate.

BTW I am not anti Jew,if thats what you may be thinking.

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/open_letter.htm

Michael S. Heiser
PhD candidate, Department of Hebrew and Semitic Studies
University of Wisconsin-Madison


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/esp_sitchin_8.htm


Your sources are not credible sources they are all from groups seeking to discredit the revelations of Stichin's interpretation.

Sitchin was born in Baku, Azerbaijan, and was raised in Palestine. He acquired some knowledge of modern and ancient Hebrew, other Semitic and European languages, the Old Testament, and the history and archeology of the Near East. Sitchin graduated from the London School of Economics, University of London, majoring in economic history. A journalist and editor in Israel for many years, he now lives and writes in New York City. His books have been widely translated, converted to braille for the blind, and featured on radio and television.

Palestine is not Israel. He has lived in Israel just as many former Palestinians. Your attempts at humor are not amusing. You are only able to see what you want to see with your opaque glasses on your face or in your brains. One credible quote would clear things up, but I see you are merely sucking down alternate source information. It's as if you were anti-David Icke and would use anti-David Icke sites to accomplish your goals. Don't you now see how you appear in your attempts to attach him without cause or credible reference to a religious affiliation without any merit whatsoever? As far as I am asking you have also not heeded what I stated before. Is there any credible reference as to Stichin being Jewish? Anyone other than Lightgiver have an answer? As far as I know, Stichin has not acknowledged being any religion. A place of birth does not make you a member of religion.

Zecharia Sitchin

He (Michael S. Heiser) was fascinated by ancient Mesopotamian literature and the subject of UFO’s. However, he is critical of the works of Zecharia Sitchin on the Anunnaki. In Heiser's opinion, nearly all of Sitchin's work consists of unsubstantiated interpretations. In addition, Heiser believes that Sitchin takes words out of context, and occasionally alters or misinterprets words significantly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_S._Heiser

I am now checking when this was placed under Stichin...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Azerbaijani_Jews

The Edit to the Categories was made on July 25th 2007 for unknown reasons by user Parishan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zecharia_Sitchin&diff=146965620&oldid=145939253

It seems Parishan has a past of covering up the truth or the edit was unchallenged based on this flawless information I.E. no source given.

is he a Jew or Azeri?

Well? Manic Hispanic 06:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

* No, his last name is Sitchin,so i think he is jewish.Xinaliq.az 21:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Anunnaki does not translate to "heaven to earth" in any legitimate context. Now, I'm not here to disprove your theory, just knock off it's proposals. Really, the Anunnaki were only 7 of the Sumerian gods, the rest were Anunna. Besides, the Anunnaki didn't live upon the earth, they lived underground. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NJMauthor (talk • contribs) 05:56, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zecharia_Sitchin

I still am not seeing any reference that is credible. Looks like the speculation is fueled by ignorance so far as I have researched...

[lightgiver]

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.

IS - RA - EL
What does the name Israel mean? http://the-red-thread.net/IS-RA-EL.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ArXEOo2iU0

BTW I am not anti anything I like to research subjects thoroughly,there are plenty out there hoodwinking humanity.

I see your method of insulting never appears to change when it does not fit in with your thoughts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-s3zSBRevA

You will sitchin on here doing is little shake with maxwell,a few seconds into the video.

Masonic Handshakes. Is Scientology fronting for the NWO? Are they above Scientology and abuse its followers to prepare them for the culling of the masses to make way for the superman or new man? Has Jordan Maxwell and Zecharia Sitchin really done their homework or they are just liars?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG6KjUbvb5Q

[thirdwave]

what Confuses me Is I have heard three different meanings to the word Annunaki

"hose who from Heaven came to Earth"

'those of royal blood'

and

"Princes of the royal genetic seed"

Which is it??

[lightgiver]

what Confuses me Is I have heard three different meanings to the word Annunaki

"hose who from Heaven came to Earth"

'those of royal blood'

and

"Princes of the royal genetic seed"

Which is it??

I am sure you can work it out? When you have? I would like to hear your version.:)

[octopusrex]

ok

I'll take em one question at a time.

in the Sumerian tablets the two main rulers of earth were Enlil and Enki. These brothers ended up having a falling out. It is to my understanding that Enlil Became Yaweh, The god the the Jews and also the christians I would presume. And Enki became known as Baal, Lucifer, etc.

The problem I have having a hard time understand is in all of these stories Enlil/Yaweh is the ruthless one. Hateful of man for the most part not wanting them to be any thing more than slave who could not reproduce and thought of them as animals.

And it was Enki, who loved man and always wanted to show him things, help them, and ultimately save them from the flood.

So if Enki/Lucifer,stands for and goodness why do his followers do such evil with in the world?

and if Enlil/Yaweh is the evil one, why do MOST jew and christians fundementaly stand for goodness?

It seems that Enki should be the good God and Enlil the Evil but the actions of their followers indicate otherwise.

Very confusing.

:confused:

[octopusrex]

........Thoth as well as quetzalcoatl?

Huh?

[lightgiver]

The Deluge and the Epic of Gilgamesh
"All the mighty windstorms blew together ... at the same time the
rainflood swept over the cult centres ... and the windstorms drove
the mighty boat about on the mighty waters" (Epic of Gilgamesh,
Sumerian version, circa 3rd millennium BC).

Clay tablets with curious wedge-shaped script emerging into daylight from beneath nearly three millennia of
dust electrified the biblical and archaeological community in the 1850s. These tablets - the "books" in an
Assyrian temple library at Nebo from around 650 BC - spoke of a great flood and a ship saving both mankind
and animals from complete destruction. The biblical community immediately appreciated the significance of
this discovery, however it was well into the twentieth century before linguists and archaeologists
completed their important work of recovering and translating the oldest and most extensive versions of this
parallel non-biblical deluge account.
We now know that the originally discovered AsSyrian account was itself a translation of what the Assyrians
would have considered an ancient account. Tracing this deluge account back to earlier versions, archeologists
uncovered a more extensive and older Babylonian version, and finally, after some extensive spade work, the
oldest original version from Ur of the Chaldees in Sumer - Abraham's hometown (Genesis 11:31). This oldest
account would be contemporary with Abraham if not older.
GILGAMESH - KING OF URUK IN HISTORY
This non-biblical deluge account is a chapter from the Epic of Gilgamesh, a coming-of-age story concerning the
arrogant and tyrannical young king Gilgamesh of Uruk.
Gilgamesh is an historical and not a mythical figure.
He ruled after the flood as the fifth king of Uruk, or biblical Erech, a city just north of Ur, and second in
importance only to Babel in the confederacy of Nimrod (Genesis 10:10). Gilgamesh took great pride in being
powerful enough to press the citizens of Uruk into forced servitude to construct a great walled city.
Archeological studies have confirmed that contemporary with Gilgamesh a 9.5 km wall was constructed around
Uruk with at least 900 semi-circular towers.
To put this in perspective, while Jerusalem in the time of Jesus
was approximately 1 km
in area, Uruk's wall of sturdy convex bricks encompassed an area of 5.5 km?
WHY WAS A DELUGE ACCOUNT INCLUDED IN AN EPIC ABOUT THE RAUCOUS
LIFE OF A POST-DELUVIAN KING?
In the Epic, Gilgamesh, experiencing a "mid-life crisis," sets off on a quest to learn the secret of longevity by
taking a very difficult and distant trip to visit the father of all mankind. This patriarch became the father of all
by building a large box-like craft to survive a great deluge.
Was an interview with the venerable patriarch Noah actually possible?
The genealogical record of Genesis shows that Noah could have conversed with the eighth generation of his
descendants, so indeed such an interview was possible. However, it is highly improbable. There is a clumsy and
polytheistic treatment of details in the Gilgamesh Epic suggesting that this was an imperfect recounting of the
oral traditions about the flood then current in the fifth post-deluvian generation.
The Sumerian and Babylonian tablets predate the writing of Genesis and contain overwhelming parallels that
speak to the common remembrance of the greatest environmental catastrophe man has ever witnessed. They
speak most distinctly to a tradition that is more vaguely remembered by flood accounts from Greece, Persia,
India, China, Japan and both North and South America. The principal impact of the Babylonian accounts upon
the scholarly community has been to increase the respectability of the Genesis account and build a consensus
that at least some sort of flood must have taken place.
These accounts are not simply "cunningly devised
fables."

[mr_kiz]

If anyone finds any good full translation for the tablets could they messsage it to me? I've found a few alright ones but they're all a bit different and some just don't make any sense at all.

[gods sun]

for the first question answered at beginning of forum...

maybe it has to do with balance the good cant live without bad and bad cant live without good (Yin/Yang)

2 may of had a fall out but they love each other as family and will not seperate like a normal brother and sister do they always fight but always need each other.

[liben]

You are probable right Yvonne!

Thats why I finally decided to join up so that 'a problem shared is a problem soved' so to speak.

I suppose the best is to put it out there and see if someone as an opinion on something that is close to my heart.

The reason that Sitchin appeals to me so much is that he provides ideas (possibly not true, but still) on things that have interested me for a long time.

I have always loved the Egyption's etc, but I also like the fact that, based on the church background (that no doubt every one here has their own story on why they turned their back on organised religion!) he also offers a historical version on what the bible or booble states about something. i'e, I never thought that when the bible spoke of "THE LORD" that It could have been refering to our makers from another planet, NIBIRU!

I can tell you that the day I 'woke up' I could not believe we have been lied to all along. Just goes to show how the church makes you into a 'sheep' and creates a 'faithful' group of questionless followers able to be told anything based on faith and it is accepted as "The word of God"!!

Chears:D

(PS. time here in OZ is 8:50pm 2/5/07 - or is that 5/2/07 depending on where you are from)

I completly agree with you about the lies we been told in the churche.
i'm so happy to hear your story, b/c i feel like you were writing about my spiritual life.
I too was a churche man untill i read EKHART TOLLE'S book called THE NEW EARTH. it changed my life and started reading DAVID ICKE'S books.
I could not believe all these years that i spent in lies.

[jrhartley3165]

I recently read a very very good book on this

slave species of god

go to www.slavespecies.com to view the first chapter and some background info

Everything, physics and instinct, is 100 % predictable, up to free will, where conscious decision making is not (entirely) predictable. The point is, that free will is 100% predictable, as all that leads to it is 100% predictable.

Read the Gospel of Judas - 'But I foresaw that all will go free'

[jrhartley3165]

Are not all these stories attempts to explain the reality of the time, and so no more relevant than the 'Dreamtime' of the Aboriginis etc. ?

[the crusader 1000]

I will post the link about Yaweh/Enlil once I get it off my Dad.

One think I think everyone should understand though is that Yaweh is just an extra-terrestrial as well; Wheter He be an Anunaki/Enlil/ or some higher form of alien than the Anunaki. Furthermore, He said his chosen people were 12 tribes of Israel to whom he made a covenant. So none of us matter to him.

I also believe all living things have a soul if thats what you want to call it. According to quatum physics that makes the most sense.

I went to the bookstore and was going to buy Z. Sitchens End of Days. But knowing how much he holds back and skimming through his book I realized he didnt' want to tell people the truth.

As far as Hitler, I'm not so sure he was Half Jew although I've heard this claim. what does one mean by Jewish anyway? Do you mean he was Israeli or of the Jewish Faith? Jewish is a religion not a nationality. In his youth, he was raised christian but then learned of Occult Knowledge and abandoned it. He definately had an occult hatred for Jews and their God Yaweh.



http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z94/Signals123/12tribes.jpg

These are the nations of the 12 Tribes of Israel.

Just found it while I was looking after googling 12 Tribes of Israel.

Hope it helps?

[tenzingnorgay]

There were 12 tribes of Atlantis. There were never 12 tribes of Israel.

[sodi]

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z94/Signals123/12tribes.jpg

These are the nations of the 12 Tribes of Israel.

Just found it while I was looking after googling 12 Tribes of Israel.

Hope it helps?

Why are most tribes hispanic nationalities ?

Reading the first page on this seems like people re-edited to fit Christianity.

[evenus_cinatus]

It seems the Tribe of Levi (Haitians) have angered Yaweh/Enlil.

[mammapies]

Are there any individuals here who have a very good back ground on this topic? There are some questions that I have and can not find the answers to them.

Read the book "Is God Good" by David Ash . Gave me a lot of answers to Enki/lucifer and Enlil/Jehovah. Good read.

[boots]

what Confuses me Is I have heard three different meanings to the word Annunaki

"hose who from Heaven came to Earth"

'those of royal blood'

and

"Princes of the royal genetic seed"

Which is it??

http://blog.oregonlive.com/pdxgreen/2007/09/hose.jpghttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40873000/jpg/_40873877_0228_poland.jpg


:D


.

[gaias child]

How long ago did enlil and enki live because I thought the sumerian civilisation was 6-7000 years old but the anunnaki arrived way before that, like at least 100 000 years and according to sitchin 450 000 years ago so I'm a bit confused about the time line and can't find the information I'm looking for, can anyone enlighten me please.

[lightgiver]

Who really knows<I suppose we can guess.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN3DJn-2TF0


But pay attention here. This is a crash course. According to the Sumerian texts, a deposed leader of a planet called Nibiru discovered gold(spice)? on Earth. This might not sound like a big deal for a species obviously capable of long range interplanetary travel, but gold figures heavily into the situation.

http://www.halexandria.org/dward180.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFeykueEZNI

Again, according to the texts, thousands of years after the earth gold discovery, the gold rush began in earnest. The Anunnaki in charge was named EA (Nudimmud), or Enki ("Lord of Earth" -- EN, lord; KI, earth). Enki was an engineer/scientist. He established a base at the headwaters of the Persian Gulf, at Eridu (now considerably inland due to the sediment build up), in order to acquire gold from sea water.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLp7LoePOao

You Never Realised The Things They Say
We'll Never Realise Until We're Dead

http://www.halexandria.org/dward185.htm

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9396/exopolzzzzzzy03.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/exopolzzzzzzy03.jpg/)

[1776]

Sitchin was born in Russia, was raised in Palestine, graduated from the University of London with a degree in economic history. He worked for years as a journalist and editor in Israel before settling in New York.

Sitchin, like Velikovsky and Däniken, presents a compelling and entertaining story based on belief about ancient visitors from other worlds. Zecharia Sitchin's key ideas are based on the assumption that ancient myths are not myths but historical and scientific texts. According to Sitchin, ancient Sumerian clay tablets reveal that gods from another planet (Nibiru, which orbits our Sun every 3,600 years) arrived on Earth some 450,000 years ago and created humans by genetic engineering of female apes.


History Timeline According to Sitchin

based on The Cosmic Code: The Sixth Book of The Earth Chronicles
by Zecharia Sitchin
Events Before the Deluge

450,000 years ago,
On Nibiru, a distant member of our solar system, life faces slow extinction as the planet's atmosphere erodes. Deposed by Anu, the ruler Alalu escapes in a spaceship and finds refuge on Earth. He discovers that Earth has gold that can be used to protect Nibiru's atmosphere.

445,000
Led by Enki, a son of Anu, the Anunnaki land on Earth, establish Eridu -Earth Station I - for extracting gold from the waters of the Persian Gulf.

430,000
Earth's climate mellows. More Anunnaki arrive on Earth, among them Enki's half-sister Ninhursag, Chief Medical Officer.

416,000
As gold production falters, Anu arrives on Earth with Enlil, the heir apparent. It is decided to obtain the vital gold by mining it in southern Africa. Drawing lots, Enlil wins command of Earth Mission; Enki is relegated to Africa. On departing Earth, Anu is challenged by Alalu's grandson.

400,000
Seven functional settlements in southern Mesopotamia include a Spaceport (Sippar), Mission Control Center (Nippur), a metallurgical center (Shuruppak). The ores arrive by ships from Africa; the refined metal is sent aloft to orbiters manned by Igigi, then transferred to spaceships arriving periodically from Nibiru.

380,000
Gaining the support of the Igigi, Alalu's grandson attempts to seize mastery over Earth. The Enlilites win the War of the Olden Gods.

300,000
The Anunnaki toiling in the gold mines mutiny. Enki and Ninhursag create Primitive Workers through genetic manipulation of Ape woman; they take over the manual chores of the Anunnaki. Enlil raids the mines, brings the Primitive Workers to the Edin in Mesopotamia. Given the ability to procreate, Homo Sapiens begins to multiply.

200,000
Life on Earth regresses during a new glacial period.

100,000
Climate warms again. The Anunnaki (the biblical Nefilim), to Enlil's growing annoyance marry the daughters of Man.

75,000
The "accursation of Earth" - a new Ice Age-begins. Regressive types of Man roam the Earth . Cro-Magnon man survives.

49,000
Enki and Ninhursag elevate humans of Anunnaki parentage to rule in Shuruppak. Enlil, enraged. plots Mankind's demise.

13,000
Realizing that the passage of Nibiru in Earth's proximity will trigger an immense tidal wave, Enlil makes the Anunnaki swear to keep the impending calamity a secret from Mankind.
Events After the Deluge

11,000 B.C.
Enki breaks the oath, instructs Ziusudra/Noah to build a submersible ship. The Deluge sweeps over the Earth; the Anunnaki witness the total destruction from their orbiting spacecraft.

Enlil agrees to grant the remnants of Mankind implements and seeds; agriculture begins in the highlands. Enki domesticates animals.

10,500 B.C.
The descendants of Noah are allotted three regions. Ninurta, Enlil's foremost son, dams the mountains and drains the rivers to make Mesopotamia habitable; Enki reclaims the Nile valley. The Sinai peninsula is retained by the Anunnaki for a post-Diluvial spaceport; a control center is established on Mount Moriah (the future Jerusalem).

9,780 B.C.
Ra/Marduk, Enki's firstborn son, divides dominion over Egypt between Osiris and Seth.

9,330 B.C.
Seth seizes and dismembers Osiris, assumes sole rule over the Nile Valley.

8,970 B.C.
Horus avenges his father Osiris by launching the First Pyramid War. Seth escapes to Asia, seizes the Sinai peninsula and Canaan.

8,670 B.C.
Opposed to the resulting control of all the space facilities by Enki's descendants, the Enlilites launch the Second Pyramid War. The victorious Ninurta empties the Great Pyramid of its equipment.

Ninhursag, half-sister of Enki and Enlil, convenes peace conference. The division of Earth is reaffirmed. Rule over Egypt transferred from the Ra/Marduk dynasty to that of Thoth. Heliopolis built as a substitute Beacon City.

8,500 B.C.
The Anunnaki establish outposts at the gateway to the space facilities; Jericho is one of them.

7,400 B.C.
As the era of peace continues, the Anunnaki grant Mankind new advances; the Neolithic period begins. Demi-gods rule over Egypt.

3,800 B.C.
Urban civilization begins in Sumer as the Anunnaki reestablish there the Olden Cities, beginning with Eridu and Nippur.

Anu comes to Earth for a pageantful visit. A new city, Uruk (Erech), is built in his honor; he makes its temple the abode of his beloved granddaughter Inanna/lshtar.
Kingship on Earth

3,760
Mankind granted kingship. Kish is first capital under the aegis of Ninurta. The alendar begun at Nippur. Civilization blossoms out in Sumer (the First Region).

3,450
Primacy in Sumer transferred to Nannar/Sin. Marduk proclaims Babylon "Gateway of the Gods." The "Tower of Babel" incident. The Anunnaki confuseMankind's languages.

His coup frustrated, Marduk/Ra returns to Egypt, deposes Thoth, seizes his younger brother Dumuzi who had betrothed Inanna. Dumuzi accidentally killed; Marduk imprisoned alive in the Great Pyramid. Freed through an emergency shaft, he goes into exile.

3,100-3, 350
years of chaos end with installation of first Egyptian Pharaoh in Memphis.Civilization comes to the Second Region.

2,900
Kingship in Sumer transferred to Erech. Inanna given dominion over the Third Region; the Indus Valley Civilization begins.

2,650
Sumer's royal capital shifts about. Kingship deteriorates. Enlil loses patience with the unruly human multitudes.

2,371
Inanna falls in love with Sharru-Kin (Sargon). He establishes new capital city. Agade (Akkad). Akkadian empire launched.

2,316
Aiming to rule the four regions, Sargon removes sacred soil from Babylon. The Marduk-Inanna conflict flares up again. It ends when Nergal, Marduk's brother, journeys from south Africa to Babylon and persuades Marduk to leave Mesopotamia.

2,291
Naram-Sin ascends the throne of Akkad. Directed by the warlike Inanna, he penetrates the Sinai peninsula, invades Egypt.

2,255
Inanna usurps the power in Mesopotamia; Naram-Sin defies Nippur. The Great Anunnaki obliterate Agade. Inanna escapes. Sumer and Akkad occupied by foreign troops loyal to Enlil and Ninurta.

2,220
Sumerian civilization rises to new heights under enlightened rulers of Lagash. Thoth helps its king Gudea build a ziggurat-temple for Ninurta.

2,193
Terah, Abraham's father, born in Nippur into a priestly-royal family.

2,180
Egypt divided; followers of Ra/Marduk retain the south; Pharaohs opposed to him gain the throne of lower Egypt.

2,130
As Enlil and Ninurta are increasingly away, central authority also deteriorates in Mesopotamia. Inanna's attempts to regain the kingship for Erech does not last.
The Fateful Century

B.C 2,123
Abraham born in Nippur.

2,113
Enlil entrusts the Lands of Shem to Nannar; Ur declared capital of new empire. Ur- Nammmu ascends throne, is named Protector of Nippur. A Nippurian priest-Terah, Abraham's father - comes to Ur to liaison with its royal court.

2,096
Ur-Nammu dies in battle. The people consider his untimely death a betrayal by Anu and Enlil. Terah departs with his family for Harran.

2,095
Shulgi ascends the throne of Ur, strengthens imperial ties. As empire thrives, Shulgi falls under charms of Inanna, becomes her lover. Grants Larsa to Elamites in exchange for serving as his Foreign Legion.

2,080
Theban princes loyal to Ra/Marduk press northward under Mentuhotep I. Nabu, Marduk's son, gains adherents for his father in Western Asia.

2,055
On Nannar's orders, Shulgi sends Elamite troops to suppress unrest in Canaanite cities. Elamites reach the gateway to the Sinai peninsula and its Spaceport.

2,048
Shulgi dies. Marduk moves to the Land of the Hittites. Abraham ordered to southern Canaan with an elite corps of cavalrymen.

2,047
Amar-Sin (the biblical Amraphel) becomes king of Ur. Abraham goes to Egypt, stays five years, then returns with more troops.

2,041
Guided by Inanna, Amar-Sin forms a coalition of Kings of the East, launches military expedition to Canaan and the Sinai. Its leader is the Elamite Khedor-la'omer. Abraham blocks the advance at the gateway to the Spaceport.

2,038
Shu-Sin replaces Amar-Sin on throne of Ur as the empire disintegrates.

2,029
Ibbi-Sin replaces Shu-Sin. The western provinces increasingly to Marduk.

2,024
Leading his followers, Marduk marches on Sumer, enthrones himself in Babylon. Fighting spreads to central Mesopotamia. Nippur's Holy of Holies is defiled. Enlil demands punishment for Marduk and Nabu; Enki opposes, but his son Nergal sides with Enlil.

As Nabu marshals his Canaanite followers to capture the Spaceport, the Great Anunnaki approve of the use of nuclear weapons. Nergal and Ninurta destroy the Spaceport and the errant Canaanite cities.

2,023
The winds carry the radioactive cloud to Sumer. People die a terrible death, animals perish, the water is poisoned, the soil becomes barren. Sumer and its great civilization lie prostrate. Its legacy passes to Abraham's seed as he begets -at age 100- a legitimate heir: Isaac.



Sumerian Culture and the Annunaki


Working from the same archaeological discoveries, artefacts, and recovered records as archaeologists and linguists have for two hundred years, Sitchin propounds – proves, in the opinion of this author -- that the Anunnaki (Sumerian: “those who came down from the heavens”; Old testament Hebrew, Anakeim, Nefilim, Elohim; Egyptian: Neter), an advanced civilization from the tenth planet in our solar system, splashed down in the Persian gulf area around 432,000 years ago, colonized the planet, with the purpose of obtaining large quantities of gold. Some 250,000 years ago, the recovered documents tell us, their lower echelon miners rebelled against the conditions in the mines and the Anunnaki directorate decided to create a creature to take their place. Enki, their chief scientist and Ninhursag their chief medical officer, after getting no satisfactory results splicing animal and Homo Erectus genes, merged their Anunnaki genes with that of Homo Erectus and produced us, Homo Sapiens, a genetically bicameral species, for their purposes as slaves. Because we were a hybrid, we could not procreate. The demand for us as workers became greater and we were genetically manipulated to reproduce.

xfacts.com

Eventually, we became so numerous that some of us were expelled from the Anunnaki city centers, gradually spreading over the planet. Having become a stable genetic stock and developing more precociously than, perhaps, the Anunnaki had anticipated, the Anunnaki began to be attracted to humans as sexual partners and children were born of these unions. This was unacceptable to the majority of the Anunnaki high council and it was decided to wipe out the human population through a flood that was predictable when Nibiru, the tenth in our solar system and the Anunnaki home planet, came through the inner solar system again (around 12,500 years ago) on one of its periodic 3600 year returns. Some humans were saved by the action of the Anunnaki official, Enki, who was sympathetic to the humans he had originally genetically created. For thousands of years, we were their slaves, their workers, their servants, and their soldiers in their political battles among themselves. The Anunnaki used us in the construction of their palaces (we retroproject the religious notion of temple on these now), their cities, their mining and refining complexes and their astronomical installations on all the continents. They expanded from Mesopotamia to Egypt to India to South and Central America and the stamp of their presence can be found in the farthest reaches of the planet.

Around 6000 years ago, they, probably realizing that they were going to phase off the planet, began, gradually, to bring humans to independence. Sumer, a human civilization, amazing in its “sudden”, mature, and highly advanced character was set up under their tutelage in Mesopotamia. Human kings were inaugurated as go-betweens, foremen of the human populations answering to the Anunnaki. A strain of humans, genetically enhanced with more Anunnaki genes, a bloodline of rulers in a tradition of “servants of the people” was initiated (Gardner). These designated humans were taught technology, mathematics, astronomy, advanced crafts and the ways of advanced civilized society (in schools, called now “mystery schools” but there was no mystery about them). Gardner has brought to light the fact that there exists a robust, highly documented, genealogical, genetic history carrying all the way back to the Anunnaki, possessed by the heterodox tradition of Christianity, which is only now coming forward, no longer gun-shy of the Inquisition. This tradition, preserving the bloodline, is the one branded “heretical” and murderously persecuted by the Roman Church. There were no Dark Ages for this tradition, only for those whom the Church wanted to keep in the dark about the real nature of human history and destroy the bloodline, a direct threat to the power of the Bishops.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/pex_2.htm

Sitchin's theories are entertaining, sure :D


See the following:

Sitchin is Wrong (Pt. 1 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHl_ZWc-PC8

Sitchin is Wrong (Pt. 2 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmIrNPuikvc


Just be weary of some 'researchers' and 'truthers', is all.


Peace&Love
God bless

[lightgiver]

Sitchin's theories are entertaining, sure :D


See the following:

Sitchin is Wrong (Pt. 1 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHl_ZWc-PC8

Sitchin is Wrong (Pt. 2 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmIrNPuikvc


Just be weary of some 'researchers' and 'truthers', is all.


Peace&Love
God bless

Its all here to be debated,no worrys I am very wary. :)

BTW they are not just Z.Sitchins theory's.

Around 6000 years ago, they, probably realizing that they were going to phase off the planet, began, gradually, to bring humans to independence. Sumer, a human civilization, amazing in its “sudden”, mature, and highly advanced character was set up under their tutelage in Mesopotamia. Human kings were inaugurated as go-betweens, foremen of the human populations answering to the Anunnaki. A strain of humans, genetically enhanced with more Anunnaki genes, a bloodline of rulers in a tradition of “servants of the people” was initiated (Gardner). These designated humans were taught technology, mathematics, astronomy, advanced crafts and the ways of advanced civilized society (in schools, called now “mystery schools” but there was no mystery about them). Gardner has brought to light the fact that there exists a robust, highly documented, genealogical, genetic history carrying all the way back to the Anunnaki, possessed by the heterodox tradition of Christianity, which is only now coming forward, no longer gun-shy of the Inquisition. This tradition, preserving the bloodline, is the one branded “heretical” and murderously persecuted by the Roman Church. There were no Dark Ages for this tradition, only for those whom the Church wanted to keep in the dark about the real nature of human history and destroy the bloodline, a direct threat to the power of the Bishops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQrmAbpSndg

and not forgetting Atlantis.

[lightgiver]

Sumerian's and the Anunnaki 1/5 Genesis revisited

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxGkahOMsmk

part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wyFBJ8nL48

part 3,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i8tKkN1BD4

part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_0j8EccHis

part 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTKkxwJzGow

[lightgiver]

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8256/ningizzida.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/ningizzida.jpg/)


From a very poor rendition of a relief impression of the royal libation cup of King Gudea of Lagash (Sumer), ca 2000 BC, depicting Ningizzida (also Ningishzidda and assorted other spellings) in its twin serpent form, precursor to the Caduceus of Hermes. Sometimes depicted as male and sometimes female gender, Ningishzida has profound significance for hermetic alchemists in specific, since according to legend, Ningizzidda was the first genetic alchemist to have appeared among the pantheon of the gods and it was his/her skill at this particular science that made it possible for the human race to evolve into what it is today, i.e., part hominid, part god, as the story goes.

Ningizzida comprises one of the widest ranges of attributions of any godform ever recorded, from the Mother of Dumuzi in some instances to the younger son of Ea (or Enki) in others and rival to his elder brother Marduk, who was fundamentally a pompous thug by way of comparison. In the Sumerian creation cycle, it is Ningishzida who is called the Guardian of the Tree of Life and Keeper of the Gate of Heaven while also serving as Lord of the Underworld in his Mushushu Dragon form. He/She not only created humanity but also guides and protects it. The Sumerian creation cycle so nearly resembles the Biblical version that Ningizzida has been called the archetypal prototype of what came to be called Satan in the latter tradition, calling into question the actual function of the Serpent symbolism. In the rival between himself and Marduk, he was ultimately banished to the outer quarters of the world where he seems to have established a prominent foothold in numerous cultures, if iconography is any indicator. Not only its symbolism, but many of the underlying ideas supporting it seem to have spread out globally, over time. Rumor has it that the mantle of Supreme Rulership of Earth has just recently passed to Ningiszzida who is only just now beginning to come into his/her stride.

Serpentine symbolism runs strong with alchemy and with it many hidden mysteries pertaining to medical science in particular, from the tantricism of the east to the development of chemistry and physics in the west. Of particular interest in this immediate discussion are the six loops formed by the intertwined serpents, corresponding (coincidentally or not) to the six lines of the hexagrams of ancient China as well as the six spheres along the middle pillar of Abrahadabra itself. A few authors in recent times have put forth the notion that genetic science may not actually be a new science at all, so much as a revisited one that has been around for millennia, approached from different angles at different points in history. Whether this is the case or not remains to be seen, but it is clear that the symbolism of Ningizzida has as much relevance today as it may have had several thousand years ago.

http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterThree/TowerOfBabel.htm

The Royal libation cup of King Gudea of Lagash (Sumer), ca 2000 B.C.E.
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6623/ctlibationcup.jpg (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/ctlibationcup.jpg/)

[marpat]

You can find other type of creature in Mesoptoamian mythology. Some are eagle headed, winged genii that guard doors, etc. It is not all serpent based. Edgar Cayces readings suggets that the human/ animal combinations are a throwback to the original fallen souls in the Atlantean period, when they mixed with animal bodies to experience physical life, eventually becoming trapped

[innerlight]

A few authors in recent times have put forth the notion that genetic science may not actually be a new science at all, so much as a revisited one that has been around for millennia, approached from different angles at different points in history.

wasn't it wise ol' SOLOMON (sun and moon) in the bible who said "indeed, there is NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN....."

i often wonder if the word SUMER is where we get our word SUMMER? when the Sun is at full strength and crops are at or near harvesting?

thank you very much for posting this. As a Gemini, my ruling planet is Mercury...studying up on this, I eventually landed at the intertwined serpents
made famous by the aforementioned "he/she" Sumerian god/dess....

[innerlight]

Read the book "Is God Good" by David Ash . Gave me a lot of answers to Enki/lucifer and Enlil/Jehovah. Good read.

what if Enki is actually Jehova and Enlil is actually Lucifer? welcome to the Forum my friend :)

[lightgiver]

A few authors in recent times have put forth the notion that genetic science may not actually be a new science at all, so much as a revisited one that has been around for millennia, approached from different angles at different points in history.

wasn't it wise ol' SOLOMON (sun and moon) in the bible who said "indeed, there is NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN....."

i often wonder if the word SUMER is where we get our word SUMMER? when the Sun is at full strength and crops are at or near harvesting?

thank you very much for posting this. As a Gemini, my ruling planet is Mercury...studying up on this, I eventually landed at the intertwined serpents
made famous by the aforementioned "he/she" Sumerian god/dess....

Nothing New under the Sun,I have heard that somewhere before. ;)

what if Enki is actually Jehova and Enlil is actually Lucifer? welcome to the Forum my friend :)

The Bible is a rewrite of old Sumerian text's.

TBH 6,000 years plus is not that old in universal terms.

[marpat]

A few authors in recent times have put forth the notion that genetic science may not actually be a new science at all, so much as a revisited one that has been around for millennia, approached from different angles at different points in history.

wasn't it wise ol' SOLOMON (sun and moon) in the bible who said "indeed, there is NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN....."

i often wonder if the word SUMER is where we get our word SUMMER? when the Sun is at full strength and crops are at or near harvesting?

thank you very much for posting this. As a Gemini, my ruling planet is Mercury...studying up on this, I eventually landed at the intertwined serpents
made famous by the aforementioned "he/she" Sumerian god/dess....

Thought it was in Ecclesaisticals

[lightgiver]

Ecclesiastes (often abbreviated Ecc) (Hebrew: קֹהֶלֶת‎, Kohelet, variously transliterated as Kohelet, Qoheleth, Koheles, Koheleth, or Coheleth) is a book of the Hebrew Bible. The English name derives from the Greek translation of the Hebrew title.

There Is Nothing New Under The Sun

(Ecclesiastes 1:9-14 NIV) What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. {10} Is there anything of which one can say, "Look! This is something new"? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time. {11} There is no remembrance of men of old, and even those who are yet to come will not be remembered by those who follow. {12} I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. {13} I devoted myself to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under heaven. What a heavy burden God has laid on men! {14} I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

Previously we saw the futility of the "under the sun" perspective on life that lives for this world only and ignores God and Heaven. We saw that ultimate value in life can only come if some eternal value is given to our actions by a just and fair God. The judgement of God gives value to an otherwise meaningless life. We saw that the Preacher in Ecclesiastes (probably Solomon) was demolishing all pretensions and paving the way for God.

http://www.globalchristians.org/articles/eccl1art.htm

Parallels Between the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Bible


The most well-known parallel between the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Bible is the story of the Flood, in Genesis 6-7. This is essentially equivalent to the story that Utnapishtim, the Sumerian Noah, tells to Gilgamesh on Tablet XI. Even the way the narrative is laid out is similar - the gods put a bug in Utnapishtim's ear; a description of how the ark is built ("daubed with bitumen," a common glue or mortaring agent in Mesopotamia); everyone piles in, and it starts to rain. When it's over, Utnapishtim releases a dove, then a swallow, and finally a crow.

However, the section of the Bible that really seems linked to Sumerian mythology is the book of Ecclesiastes. The writer of that book informs us, in Eccl. 12:9-10, that in the course of composing it he read widely, presumably everything that he could get his hands on in those days. From internal evidence it's obvious that he read some version of the Epic of Gilgamesh. It's fascinating to see that the story, already very ancient by Biblical times, circulated so widely in the Middle East.


A close analysis of Gilgamesh's spiritual crisis reveals it revolves around the futility of all life. The crushing awareness of his own pointless existence drives him away from his throne and his kingdom to wear skins and wander the wilderness. This is the entire theme of Ecclesiastes: "Vanity of vanities! All is vanity. What does a man gain by all the toil at which he toils under the sun?" (Eccl. 1:2-3) Both protagonists arrive at the same solution. The meaning of life is found only in the divine. The Preacher mulls it over for 12 amazingly prosy chapters and concludes, "Remember your Creator in the days of your youth, before the evil days come and the years draw nigh when you will say, I have no pleasure in them." (Ecc. 12-1)

http://www.123helpme.com/view.asp?id=4988

[rebel_recon]

Are there any individuals here who have a very good back ground on this topic? There are some questions that I have and can not find the answers to them.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

lucifer Enki is not a God he is a Fallen Arch Angel, he has no power only rumors and lies of power. God cannot be judged for he created everything John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made, and even lucifer and his demons are subject to the will of God. Don't confuse good with evil my friend that is a very slippery road to go down and not many come back. God is perfect in everyway. Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none [is] good, save one, [that is], God. God gave us freewill to choose to serve him, so the choice is yours if you believe Satan to be good that is your choice. Satan mixes the lies with the truth and he will have you believe he is good, but lucifer hates humans for we are God's favoured creation and he is jealous. For that was the reason he was cast down in the first place, he was beautiful but God created us in his image and rage and jealousy took over him and he was the first angel to sin. Satan hates us he may favour his followers in this life with gifts and blessings, but the story soon changes when they die, all he wants is your soul to punish in hell. He wants to win as many souls as he can lay his hands on for hell, for he knows Jesus will defeat him and banish him back to the underworld for a 1000 years.

"Thus shall you say unto them, the
G O D S
that have
not made the heavens and the earth,
even
T H E Y
shall perish from the earth ,
and from under these
HEAVENS".

(Jeremiah 10:11)

[bendoon]

The problem I have having a hard time understand is in all of these stories Enlil/Yaweh is the ruthless one. Hateful of man for the most part not wanting them to be any thing more than slave who could not reproduce and thought of them as animals.

And it was Enki, who loved man and always wanted to show him things, help them, and ultimately save them from the flood.

So if Enki/Lucifer,stands for and goodness why do his followers do such evil with in the world?

and if Enlil/Yaweh is the evil one, why do MOST jew and christians fundementaly stand for goodness?

It seems that Enki should be the good God and Enlil the Evil but the actions of their followers indicate otherwise.

Very confusing.

Its the strict teacher syndrome. When you are a kid at school you don't like the strict teachers, you like the ones who let you mess about. When you get older you realise that the strict teacher (Enlil) was only doing it for your benefit and you wish you had listened to him a bit more. You never really learned anything from the teacher that let you mess about and do what you want (Enki).

Enkis followers had a blast and still do, they get to have piles of money, sex with children, big mansions, cocaine, whatever they want. Enlils have it harder and its not much fun at times but the comfort themselves in the knowledge that Enlil was right all along and their reward will come in the next world.

[urbanmonk]

ok

I'll take em one question at a time.

in the Sumerian tablets the two main rulers of earth were Enlil and Enki. These brothers ended up having a falling out. It is to my understanding that Enlil Became Yaweh, The god the the Jews and also the christians I would presume. And Enki became known as Baal, Lucifer, etc.

The problem I have having a hard time understand is in all of these stories Enlil/Yaweh is the ruthless one. Hateful of man for the most part not wanting them to be any thing more than slave who could not reproduce and thought of them as animals.

And it was Enki, who loved man and always wanted to show him things, help them, and ultimately save them from the flood.

So if Enki/Lucifer,stands for and goodness why do his followers do such evil with in the world?

and if Enlil/Yaweh is the evil one, why do MOST jew and christians fundementaly stand for goodness?

It seems that Enki should be the good God and Enlil the Evil but the actions of their followers indicate otherwise.

Very confusing.

I posted the below elsewhere but figured I would add it here also in response to your post.

I thought it was Enki (Ea) who was the merciful one, the one who wanted us to have wisdom (snake in the garden of Eden) whereas Enlil wanted us to remain mindless obedient apes.

Enlil being the archetypal wife beater and all round dick who unless you telepathically knew what you were doing wrong, an ass beating was to be expected.

Lets not forget him managing to stop Enki and his followers from also getting to the Tree of Life and then you have the plagues and famines and allsorts of other punishments untill finally he thinks just to hell with it and nearly wipes out humanity with a flood.

The biggest crime is making up the myth of Satan and telling the world Enki was in fact the one and the same (they are not clearly) in fact Satan and his deeds likely came from Enlil looking within and giving the world a glimpse of his inner darkness, of course he and his idiot followers then just twisted it so we worship Enlil (Satan) and are to fear Satan (Enki).

Somehow though I think Enki might be long gone and is unlikely to come back and save us, Enlil won and we have been fucked ever since.

Interesting how Masons are supposed to find out at higher levels they actually worship Satan, now I wonder is that with the full knowledge that Satan is not real or is based on Enlil and so they have come to finally bat for the right team (Enki) or is it actually them buying into the Satan myth thus confirming there unity with evil (Enlil all along). I am betting it is the latter unfortunately as some of the things these Masons have to do to get to the higher levels no way would Enki condone of such actions, Enlil sure but not Enki.

I wonder if there is actually any society/religion that still seperates Enlil created Satan from Enki and thus worships our rightfull creator.

The gist being that Enlil having booted out our true creator Enki then goes on to control both religions that worship him (one true God) and has a hand in the myth of Satan. So just as there is no left and right choice in politics there is really no God and Satan it is the same chap (Enlil) controlling both sides but using the deeds done by Satanists (for him) and attributing them to Enki.

I can well understand if most find this idea crazy but then to the average person telling them that Democrats and Republicans are one and the same puppets of a single group of controllers would get you labelled a crazy. It is only when people break from that two party (left vs right), religion (good vs evil) system designed to keep us at odds with one another that they can find a truer path.

This jive with anyone?, not had a chance to read through the whole thread.

[rainmayne]

^^Genius! I couldnt agree more!

[pwnagraphic]

Enlil and Enki.


2 bosses in FFXIII

[truthseeker49]

What an excellent thread. Thanks to everyone for taking the time to post their opinions and knowledge on this subject.
I have read many of Zecharia Sitchin's books. I really enjoyed them and they opened my mind to the truth concerning man's origins. Having been raised Roman Catholic, I was shocked when I saw Eric Von Daniken's books in the local library. I borrowed them and they opened my mind and prepared me for Mr. Sitchin's POV... :)

[des1000]

Here's a link to a Coast to coast show from last week called African Ruins & the Annunaki, its on a torrent on Demonoid.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/04/08

[rasputin777]

ok

I'll take em one question at a time.

in the Sumerian tablets the two main rulers of earth were Enlil and Enki. These brothers ended up having a falling out. It is to my understanding that Enlil Became Yaweh, The god the the Jews and also the christians I would presume. And Enki became known as Baal, Lucifer, etc.

The problem I have having a hard time understand is in all of these stories Enlil/Yaweh is the ruthless one. Hateful of man for the most part not wanting them to be any thing more than slave who could not reproduce and thought of them as animals.

And it was Enki, who loved man and always wanted to show him things, help them, and ultimately save them from the flood.

So if Enki/Lucifer,stands for and goodness why do his followers do such evil with in the world?

and if Enlil/Yaweh is the evil one, why do MOST jew and christians fundementaly stand for goodness?

It seems that Enki should be the good God and Enlil the Evil but the actions of their followers indicate otherwise.

Very confusing.


Hi, new here. Not familiar with Enlil and Enki, but the confusing division of benign/malign is pretty easy to explain. Think of the archetypical model of the mind proposed by Jung. The light and dark aspects are the public and private face of an individual. The difference between Yaweh and Satan is not in nature, as they both seem to engage in similar activities, but in that the servants of Yaweh are outrageous LIARS, THEIVES AND MURDERERS... I'm not associated with Christianity or Satanism, but it seems clear to me that if you are honest about the quest for personal power and fulfilling the natural desires of a being manifested on this earth in an animal body, then you will be labelled SATANIST or HEATHEN and your hard won accomplishments are the "fruits of evil"... If you use a mask of friendship to steal the power, property, identity and freedom of others for your own benifit... But do it well enough to not get caught in the act of deceit immediately, then you are labelled a child of God and your ill gotten booty is all a "blessing from the Lord." Christians put on the shining gold/white mask of benevolence while they wage war on humanity... Satanists are left only with the mask of shadows to wear, not by choice, but because of the immense success of monotheistic deception. Compare the dominator style culture vs. the harmonious style... We may feel the harmonious way of life is better, more reasonable and sustainable, providing the best overall living conditions for the most people... But inevitably, the warring dominator tribes will ruin their own land and then slay the people of balance and harmony to take what peaceful folk have worked to create, wastefully consume all available resources as fast as physical laws will allow. Then do it all over again... This is the legacy of human history. This is why we are, as of right now, still doomed to fail as an independent species. The dominator/christian will take us gladly into fiery death because he believes it will all end that way anyway... He knows no other way.

[herushura]

what if Enki is actually Jehova and Enlil is actually Lucifer? welcome to the Forum my friend :)

You are confusing things.

i can settle that Jehova is Enki, but Lucifer is not a Character in the bible?
you seem to think that lucifer is this big, main charater, yet he aint.
Lucifer is Fake plus Lucifer is Purely Roman, infact he is a title of Venus, and the roman equivilent of Phosphorus(Morning Star)(goddesses).

[tinmenace]

You are confusing things.

i can settle that Jehova is Enki, but Lucifer is not a Character in the bible?
you seem to think that lucifer is this big, main charater, yet he aint.
Lucifer is Fake plus Lucifer is Purely Roman, infact he is a title of Venus, and the roman equivilent of Phosphorus(Morning Star)(goddesses).

Yes, he's a new testament creation, right?