Fined £16k for P2P Sharing - 1st in the UK

[disorder2k8]

A woman has been ordered to pay £16,000 over file-sharing offences in one of the first cases of its kind in the UK.
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The woman, who has not been named, was caught after a swoop on Britons who illegally share games and films over the internet, London law firm Davenport Lyons said.

She is one of the first persons in the UK to be taken to court by computer game manufacturers protecting their copyright.

The Patents County Court in London ordered that the woman pay damages of £6,086.56 and combined costs of £10,000 to Topware Interactive.

The company owns computer game Dream Pinball 3D.

Davenport Lyons has launched civil proceedings against 100 people suspected of similar offences on behalf of the games manufacturer.

The case focuses on peer-to-peer networks, which give subscribers direct access to each other's computers.

This allows people to download files without paying fees to the copyright owner.

Earlier this year, the Central London County Court ruled against four people who were found to have infringed copyright by sharing games.

David Gore, a partner at Davenport Lyons, said: "Illegal file-sharing is a very serious issue resulting in millions of pounds of losses to copyright owners.

"As downloading speeds and internet penetration increase, this continues to be a worldwide problem across the media industry which increasingly relies on digital revenues.

The High Court has ordered internet service providers (ISPs) to release the details of several thousand suspected file sharers, the firm said.

The most recent case followed a Government-brokered deal between the UK's music and film industries and ISPs to tackle illegal file-sharing, it added.

Some six million people are thought to engage in illegal file-sharing each year.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080819/tbs-woman-fined-16k-for-file-sharing-327c223.html

[upsetbrit]

Not been named. Why not? Is she underage? Was she born but not given any name?
Smells like a scare tactic, but you never know with this regime.

[phaid]

Just make sure you've got Peer Guardian fired up.

http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/

[free_soul]

Im sorry to say but

its not false i was fined 500 and something pounds 3 times for downloading a game i never did

oh and she is not the first as we receved the letter summer last year

[disorder2k8]

did you have protocol encryption on ?

[strt]

did you have protocol encryption on ?

Protocol encryption is no good if agency that wants to sue you connects as encrtypted client - they can see all sharing nodes with ip addresses directly from any torrent or other client.

Let me know if I need to explain this more.

[hirschfelder]

Do they get torrent people too? Or just P2P network ones like Limewire etc?

[danster82]

But in order for them to bring these charges against her havent they broken the law by violating her rights to privacy?

[logic bomb]

Do they get torrent people too? Or just P2P network ones like Limewire etc?

Torrents are P2P.

[disorder2k8]

Yes, Torrents/DC++/kazaa/limewire etc are all p2p.


http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Bad_ISPs

Good list of ISP's which mess with you, encryption apparently works against them but I cant claim that personally.




I think its time to go back to the days of BBS, regular http serving or FTP, but they will probably not last long either, seeing as it doesnt matter which protocol we use they still sniff the packets (=snoop on the data flowing through the line) if they think anything is up.


I was thinking of starting a image host with FTP backend, but it would be legal(as long as no illegal files are hosted which I will have to monitor).

[hirschfelder]

Torrents are P2P.

You know what I mean

Torrents always seemed a bit safer than Limewire and Emule and all that

What about streaming films from streaming sites like movie_forumz? Can they get you for that too? Do they mainly get people for games?

[disorder2k8]

http and ftp downloading are relatively safe but it depends if anyone is watching the site where it comes from. p2p sharing seriously kills bandwidth for other legal users and people just take the piss they leave downloads on 24/7 and then wonder why they get busted.

The reason why torrents have lasted so long is because of the distrubuted system, which means no 1 server hosts whole files but many seeds and with the anonymity of the net the big companies can only go after the centralised parts; the torrent file hosts and the trackers (demonoid, etc) which is what they've been doing.

[free_soul]

Do they get torrent people too? Or just P2P network ones like Limewire etc?

i got done through isohunt by a company called davonport and lyons, there was alot of people done however they only targeted uk people for some reason :confused:

[seercirra]

thanks for reminding me about peerguardian.
i just formatted my computer and have been downloading, and totally forgot about this.

there is a simple defense, even if they find you.

they have to PROVE that you DID NOT originally purchase the titles you downloaded.
I know people who'se isp has contacted them about file sharing and theyve simply said "ive got the disk but its too scratched".
you can even say "i brought the disk but i lost it. or its scratched so much i threw it away, and downloaded an iso to reburn onto disk."
they have to PROVE your lying. which is neigh on impossible.

[seercirra]

and lets just put this into perspective.
a "friend" of mine, just downloaded:

the happening.
cloverfield.
devil may cry 4
call of duty 4
hancock

and he has over 3600 mp3's. all of which he has no CD for.

he wouldnt have brought any of the films, they were all crap.
he would never have brought the games, theyre crap.
if he had had to buy all of those music albums, he'd have just brought a radio instead.

hollywood really isnt losing money due to torrent downloading.

theyre counting how many people download, and making their equations on the basis that all of those people would have brought the product if it wasnt available for download.
bullshit!
theyre just scavenging for more money.

what they will probably find, if they can ever get rid of torrents, is that their sales of DVD's and games decrease drastically.

if anyone downloads a movie, most likely its in divx format. and nothing like DVD quality. if the film is good, they will go and buy the DVD, to watch it on their big TV in real clarity and great sound. instead of a crappy monitor, at a desk.

but people wont pay 15 bucks for a dvd when they have no idea if they will like the film/music/game.

people use torrents to "try before you buy". and im sure it actually helps hollywood and game manufacturers.

[seercirra]

NO FUCKING SHIT!

i just checked peer guardian, its been on all of 30 seconds.
GUESS WHO'SE BEEN SNIFFING ME?

ONLY FUCKING HALLIBURTON COMPANY!
i wonder why theyre keeping an eye on me? perhaps because of my recent "dear russia" utube video?

shit.

[seercirra]

halliburton and the department of defense network information center.

they going to try and frame me for being a terrorist or something.
ill be another de menezes. or whatever the poor guys name was that got executed on a train.

[logic bomb]

halliburton and the department of defense network information center.

they going to try and frame me for being a terrorist or something.
ill be another de menezes. or whatever the poor guys name was that got executed on a train.

Are you in the States?

[seercirra]

nope in in the Uk

[disorder2k8]

haliburton, time-warner and a lot of anti-p2p have popped up on mine over the course of years, nothings happened yet, but they didnt have as much freedom to close in on us back then.

a lot of well known establishments actually have employees which get away p2p as well, which is quite hypocritical

[johnashu]

But in order for them to bring these charges against her havent they broken the law by violating her rights to privacy?

yes this is true.. it is invasion of privacy.. yjats why microsoft cant preosecute for illlegal copies of windos..yet they make it hard to do so.

i was reading that they were going to send out letters to folk downloading peer-peer and threaten with court action or something . but they mightn not be file sharing so they would have to botain a warrant.

on the frounds that they MIGHTbe sharing..

its to scare people into not doing it.. like someone mentioned earlier the woman was not named.. bullshit really.. plus there are proxies there ARE A million ways fround it but most of the popultaion willl be arfaid to do it... thats the plan.. i wont stop.. cant afford it..

its like the tv licence basically.. they can tell who is using file sharing software but cant just kicvk the door in on an off chance.

now caught dibnt the local market selling them aye but p2p... no way

[axcunningxstunt]

Im sorry to say but

its not false i was fined 500 and something pounds 3 times for downloading a game i never did

oh and she is not the first as we receved the letter summer last year

My freind Downloads a lot of games and he was caught and offered an out of court settlement of £300 for a pinball game he did download.

This was 2 years ago.

Like someone said if you are downloading torrent's use peerguardian and don't seed.

[homebrew1973]

My freind Downloads a lot of games and he was caught and offered an out of court settlement of £300 for a pinball game he did download.

This was 2 years ago.

Like someone said if you are downloading torrent's use peerguardian and don't seed.
I got the same letter from them about the same game, thing is though I did NOT download it, someone nearby must have hacked into and leeched bandwidth from the then wireless network I had (I wondered why it was going slow)

Think about this, if you do that kind of thing how can they prove YOU downloaded it? Just like if someone stole your car without you knowing and killed someone, can they prove it was you and charge you for it?

I think this is an example of not just about control but for said company grabbing money from people because they make shite games that few people buy.

[bones]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080819/tbs-woman-fined-16k-for-file-sharing-327c223.html

if it was me who was in her position ide wait for the judge to give the order and then produce a bill asking for the order number.

the judges balls would have sank a mile.

orders generate bills...

he would never give an order number cos hed be liable for the bill.

worth a try!!

[bones]

IP Addressing BMG
Department of Health
Inktomi Corporation = hundreds of times...
Algerie Telecom|Anti-p2p= oh dear!!! few times too.
The audit bureau of Nanjing
Studio Proteus d.o.o
Spammer
THE THIRDWAVE SOFT COMPANY
Amdocs
Verestar
Chinanet network in Wuhan city Hubei province
Elron Technologies
ARMYNET Network

recognise any of these anyone?

[cleft_asunder]

The vast majority of game manufacturers are (somehow) illuminati friendly, therefore it's no surprise that they want to press charges over "copy right" issues. What it's really about is taking away more freedoms. If a game is good, or a person is talented in a certain field, they should have no trouble receiving funds despite theft. But the reality is that the whole piracy issue is disconnected from the whole, because people simply don't have money, and thats' why piracy is so rampant. So the solutoins isn't to restrict piracy, it's to make nations prosporous, and the culprite is always the Illuminati.

You can't cure the disease by takling the symptoms.

[bobfinnie]

If you want true 'freedom of speech' on the internet then I suggest you look at freenet

http://freenetproject.org/

or take a look here to find out about it:

http://freenetproject.org/whatis.html

Hope this helps you all.

pax mundi

[logic bomb]

IsoHunt Sues the CRIA to Legalize BitTorrent Sites

September 05, 2008

Following Demonoid and QuebecTorrent, the Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA) has threatened isoHunt with legal action. However, isoHunt has decided to launch a preemptive strike, as it turns the tables and sues the CRIA instead.

http://torrentfreak.com/isohunt-sues-the-cria-to-legalize-bittorrent-sites-080905/

[disorder2k8]

cool haha

[phaid]

So what are these agencies gonna do about the many people who share files uploaded via Rapidshare, Megaupload etc linked from their music blogs (huge scene now, by the way)?
Far more efficient than P2P except maybe torrents.

[disorder2k8]

MediaDefender bankrupt

http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-stock-plunges-due-to-leaked-emails-071222/

http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-leaked-070915/

http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-hacker-speaks-080114/

[hirschfelder]

I've just downloaded Peer Guardian 2. If I have that running while I'm downloading using UTorrent, does that mean the man has no idea that I'm downloading?

[daytimetwilight]

Not been named. Why not? Is she underage? Was she born but not given any name?
Smells like a scare tactic, but you never know with this regime.

Maybe it wasn't a real person and they just used the story as an example to scare folks.

[phaid]

I've just downloaded Peer Guardian 2. If I have that running while I'm downloading using UTorrent, does that mean the man has no idea that I'm downloading?

It means that those agencies who would snoop on you for alleged copyright violations will be blocked from monitoring your connections. In practice I don't know how foolproof PG2 is, but it's a good start to defend your privacy.

PeerGuardian and PeerGuardian 2 are free and open source programs developed by Phoenix Labs. They are capable of blocking incoming and outgoing connections based on IP blocklists. The system is also capable of blocking advertising, spyware, government and educational ranges, depending upon user preferences.

PeerGuardian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just make sure your P2P list is updated regularly but if you set it to block HTTP as well, you're gonna have trouble accessing a lot of sites.

Yes, it's good for UTorrent.

[hirschfelder]

Cheers, I didn't know if I had to set UTorrent up to work with it or not

[disorder2k8]

its automatic and works like a firewall, (more like a bouncer with a list of names that arnt allowed in). as long as its updated and running you dont need to setup anything else to work with it.

[bendoon]

Look into using Usenet (Newsgroups) they are turning a blind eye to it, for the moment at least, its a lot faster too and no one uploading from you.