So now the Masons are posting lies about me

[ban freekmasons]

The truth about Masonicinfo.com by Jim Prange

I got a good laugh when I stumbled across this recently:
http://www.masonicinfo.com/people.htm
Scroll down to the A-Z list of the 340 or so “Anti-Masons” they have named, and click on “Jim Prange.” (Or, direct link to the entry at this link:
http://www.masonicinfo.com/others_pg2.htm#Prange

The website is a popular pro-Mason propaganda site run by Freemasons, and there is now a listing for me on that website under their category of “Anti-Masonic Examples,” a list that puts right-wing, bigoted nuts who happen to be anti-Masonic in the same company as authors who are truly exposing the organization’s dirty deeds, such as David Icke and Jim Marrs.

Here’s what they have to say about me:

Jim Prange (Pseudonym: Alex Parma) - Mr. Prange - using his credentials as a former newspaper reviewer of video games and his extensive knowledge gained through playing in a band - has concluded that the Masons are planting secret messages (from the reptile race) in crop circles while they're simultaneously poisoning the water supply. Using such impeccable sources as David Icke, Jim Marrs, and William Cooper (there's more than a bit of irony there, folks!), he has convinced himself that there's a huge conspiracy he's uncovered in Howell, Michigan. Perhaps Mr. Prange and his imaginary friend Mr. Parma have found an alternative to drinking that water.... You can find his rantings here. <- (link provided to essay)

This entry is revealing: in the one sentence they give to my essay’s central theory, they have twisted around one of the most crucial points of my theory to the opposite of what I actually say in the essay. Supposedly, I have concluded that “the Masons are planting secret messages (from the reptile race) in crop circles while they're simultaneously poisoning the water supply.”

Anyone who actually reads my essay will know that I’m clearly stating the opposite- that I think forces OPPOSED to the Masons are planting messages in crop circles, and in the case of Howell, that this anti-Masonic/anti-New World Order force created a crop formation to point out to the masses that high-level Masons are involved in the poisoning of the Howell water supply at a sacred site, and that these Masons have been brazenly indicating it by landscaping (not via crop circles, but via traditional, long-term landscaping) some of their symbolism onto the immediate area, visible from the air.

I figure, I must be pretty close to the truth if, in order to discredit me, they have to resort to such a low tactic. If my theory really is as ridiculous and off-base as they’d like you to believe, surely using my own words against me, unchanged, would have been all they needed to prove their point.

Interesting parallels to David Icke’s online debunkers, who often resort to similar tactics, such as claiming that Icke is “pro-fascist” or “anti-Semitic.” Anyone who reads a book by Icke, or even spends a little time on his website to find out if this is true, will know that his views are quite the polar opposite.

For an example of this type of disinfo-reliant debunking, check out this ridiculous exchange I had back in July ’04 with “Ben” (the administrator of the forum at alienufos.com, the “Central Online UFO Community”- a messageboard that is endorse by and partnered with UFO Magazine) and a few of his hired cyber-goons:
http://www.alien-ufos.com/forum/showthread.php?s=ad9b2a103cbf240 01d6e7066cb57a891&t=2162
At one point, he even resorts to saying that “when Icke says ‘lizards,’ he means ‘Jews.’” I had to give up on this forum and stop posting, as I couldn’t waste any more time lowering myself to their level any longer, already having discredited their debunking enough for anyone with a brain to catch on.

It’s interesting how often online debunkers of David Icke resort to these tactics to try to discredit him. After all, if David Icke’s theory is so off-base, wouldn’t it be far more effective for his debunkers to discredit him by using his own actual words, in full context, against him?

Interesting how Icke’s debunkers’ “Talking Points” are repeated almost verbatim from website to website, even though all it takes is a few minutes of reading Icke’s actual words to realize that they are misstating some of his main points as the opposite of what he actually says. I guess if you repeat a lie often enough, many people assume it’s the truth…

Now that I see similar tactics being used on me, I truly feel a warm, renewed sense of accomplishment for what I accomplished in decoding the Howell formation.

I wonder how many of the other people debunked on their “Anti-Masonic Examples” list are misquoted in their entry?

The Thunderbird Wheel has been activated; the dawn is here. Wise serpents will know it's time to either leave or join the side of light; any serpents who stay where they are will be burned by the sun.

The darkest hour is right before the dawn.
   
Part two;

Here's further evidence from the ridiculous masonicinfo.com website that proves without a doubt that organized Freemasonry is an elaborately compartmentalized, crumbling pyramid of lies run by professional liars.

This is the last paragraph of their disclaimer page, where the author of the website attempts to absolve the Masonic organization from any accountability for the lies told on this website:

"And just to clarify: this website is a PERSONAL endeavor. Lest there be any misunderstanding, the concept was that of Ed King, solely and independently. There were no discussions with Grand Lodges nor, in fact, was there even a discussion with any other Mason! It was conceived and released without any suggestions from any Masonic source whatsoever. And to reiterate: no one person speaks for Freemasonry! Ergo, whether you like this site or you hate it, it is NOT an "official" Masonic site nor does it pretend to be...."

Here's the direct link:
http://www.masonicinfo.com/leader.htm

Hmm-- so, according to the author of the site, Ed King, masonicinfo.com is "not an official Masonic site nor does it pretend to be."

OK, so what IS the official website endorsed by organized Freemasonry for information on Anti-Masons? Let's find out:

1)Go to the OFFICIAL Freemasonry homepage on the internet, which is http://freemasonry.org.

2)From there, click on "Links." The direct link to the Links page is:
https://freemasonry.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid= 83

3)From there, click on "Informational Sites." The direct link is: http://links.hiram.net/Informational_Sites/

(Before going to the next link, notice the caption for the 4th link on this page, titled "Anti-Masonry: FAQ." The caption to this link reads:
"This Anti-Masonry FAQ details the maliciously mendacious and willfully ignorant attacks on Freemasonry; with reasoned and factual responses.")

4)From the "Informational Sites" link of step 3, click on "Anti-Masonry: Points Of View." Direct link:
http://links.hiram.net/cgi-bin/links/jump.cgi?ID=32

T he above link will automatically redirect you to:
http://www.masonicinfo.com

5)From there, click on "Those who oppose Masons and Masonry." The direct link to this is:
http://www.masonicinfo.com/objectors.htm

6)Next, click on the word "people" on the line that reads "And specific people that oppose Freemasonry." Direct link:
http://www.masonicinfo.com/people.htm

7)From the A-Z list on their page, scroll down to my listing under "P." -> "Jim Prange (pseud: Alex Parma)" Direct link:
http://www.masonicinfo.com/others_pg2.htm#Prange

Inte resting... So the only website endorsed by the official Freemasonry home page for information on specific "Anti-Masons" is: (drum roll, please)
www.MASONICINFO.COM!

Yet, according to the author of www.masonicinfo.com, his site is not officially endorsed by Freemasonry.

See how it's done? With tricky wording, the Masons have created an illusion that seems to erase any accountability the Masonic organization should have for the blatant, provable lies told on their officially endorsed website for information on Anti-Masons.

Once again, this proves that one of the the main reason "masonicinfo.com" exists is to simply prevent average, unthinking people from reading any material by the "Anti-Masons" who are on to the truth, using the reprehensble method of reversing of the words of said "Anti-Masons," knowing that the majority of the readers of the website will not bother to read the work of the "Anti-Masons" misrepresented on the site, and that those that do actually read the work of the "Anti-Masons" are past the point of no return anyway, having been turned on to the truth through hard facts.

Knowing this, the Masonic organization then seemingly avoids accountability for their numerous bald-faced, traceable lies on the website by having the author of the website claim that it is not an official Masonic site, even though it is the ONLY website for information on specific "Anti-Masons" endorsed by the official website of Freemasonry!!!

How many people will see through this figure-eight of doublethink and realize that Freemasonry is built on a foundation of lies?

Hopefully more will see through the blatant BS peddled by these con artists, now that I've posted this "smoking gun" that proves, beyond a doubt, the fundamental dishonesty that comprises the backbone of organized Freemasonry.

Over the next few weeks, I will repeat versions of this post on any internet forum I can find where some anonymous Freemason messageboard poster name-drops "masonicinfo.com" in defense of Freemasonry. I've really got my work cut out for me-- seemingly, this is the website to which defenders of Freemasonry seem to always refer when defending their organization from truth attacks by "Anti-Masons" on the internet.

[tylerstoast]

I`m name dropping http://www.ugle.org.uk/ , the official site for the united grand lodge of england...

According to a simply whois request... your freemasonry.org is owned by some canadian.

What is the "Philalethes Society" though ??


Domain ID:D1370246-LROR
Domain Name:FREEMASONRY.ORG
Created On:04-Jun-1998 04:00:00 UTC
Last Updated On:12-Feb-2008 16:29:43 UTC
Expiration Date:03-Jun-2012 04:00:00 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, Inc. (R91-LROR)
Status:OK
Registrant ID:GODA-019874276
Registrant Name:Nelsoh King
Registrant Organization:Philalethes Society
Registrant Street1:2 ****** Crescent
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Toronto
Registrant State/Province:Ontario
Registrant Postal Code:M1S2P6
Registrant Country:CA
Registrant Phone:removed in edit
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:removed in edit
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant ***********@freemasonry.org

edit : removed phone numbers and bit of address - if you want to know them, do the whois lookup yourself !!

[tylerstoast]

Here we go


THE PHILALETHES SOCIETY
The International Masonic Research Society
The name of the Society is pronounced fill a [as in a-bate] lay thess with the accent on the third syllable - lay. It is derived from two Greek words, philos and alethes. It means lover of truth. The Philalethes Society was founded on October 1, 1928, by a group of Masonic Students. It was designed for Freemasons desirous of seeking and spreading Masonic light. In 1946 The Philalethes Magazine was established to publish articles by and for its members. The sole purpose of this Research Society is to act as a clearing house for Masonic knowledge. It exchanges ideas, researches problems confronting Freemasonry, and passes them along to the Masonic world.
Its membership consists of Members and 40 Fellows who are Master Masons in good standing in a Regular Masonic Lodge anywhere in the world. Today the Society has members within 185 Regular Grand Lodges.

So the website is an independant research site ran by some canadian masons. Not quite the official face of freemasonry but good attempt.

[soulja]

if they go through the effort of lying about you means you're starting to hurt them. well done btw :D

first stage is to simply ignore you
second stage - character assassination

[wabun]

Thank you for posting my response to “masonicinfo.com” here, “ban freekmasons.” I do think it deserves wider attention.

I think that the attempt to debunk me on that website represents one clear example of the fundamental dishonesty attached to Freemasonry- in my case, all you have to do to discover that they are lying about me is to actually read my words!

However, I’d like to clarify a few things:

First, I wanted to clarify to readers that I am the author of the text; “ban freekmasons” has just reposted what I wrote on my personal messageboard. (b.k.- the way you posted it “as is” here may give some readers the impression that you are Jim Prange. Since you sent me a private message informing me that you've posted my old post here, I know that's not what you intended, but I just want to clear that up for readers, lest there be any confusion.)

That being said, here’s another thing I want to point out:

It’s been a while since I read that post, and after reading it now, I think I was a little emotional when I wrote it, prompting me to write the word “proves” where it's really too strong of a word, in the following examples:

Example 1:
"Here's further evidence from the ridiculous masonicinfo.com website that proves without a doubt that organized Freemasonry is an elaborately compartmentalized, crumbling pyramid of lies run by professional liars.”

Example 2:
"Once again, this proves that one of the the main reason "masonicinfo.com" exists is to simply prevent average, unthinking people from reading any material by the "Anti-Masons" who are on to the truth, using the reprehensble method of reversing of the words of said "Anti-Masons," knowing that the majority of the readers of the website will not bother to read the work of the "Anti-Masons" misrepresented on the site, and that those that do actually read the work of the "Anti-Masons" are past the point of no return anyway, having been turned on to the truth through hard facts.”

Example 3:
"Hopefully more will see through the blatant BS peddled by these con artists, now that I've posted this "smoking gun" that proves, beyond a doubt, the fundamental dishonesty that comprises the backbone of organized Freemasonry.”

“Prove” is a pretty heavy word. I've matured as a writer since I wrote the post, and looking at it in a new light, I think I misused the word. I still stand behind everything I wrote in the post, with one exception: I think the word “proves” in the above three examples should be replaced with variations on the phrase “provides a strong piece of evidence.” I will be making that change to my original post on my old messageboard, now that it’s been brought to my attention again.

As an anti-NWO writer carrying what I think is an important and unique message, I want to convey my ideas to the public with accurate language. However, occasionally my emotions get the best of me when I’m writing about an exciting new development in my research, and I end up using words that are too strong. There have been many times that I’ve looked at something I’ve written a while ago, realized: “whoa- I’d better tone it down,” and have then replaced the offending words with more accurate language. This is another example where I’ll be taking that action.

Another thing I’d like to clarify: the following section of the text from “ban freekmasons” repost of my post are not part of my original text: they are are my “signatures,” which appears after every post on my personal messageboard:

"The Thunderbird Wheel has been activated; the dawn is here. Wise serpents will know it's time to either leave or join the side of light; any serpents who stay where they are will be burned by the sun.

The darkest hour is right before the dawn.”


So the website is an independant research site ran by some canadian masons. Not quite the official face of freemasonry but good attempt.
I say- close enough! The Masons may not have one definitive “official” site to represent the entire organization- “officially” – but I think that what you found, “tylerstoast,” is further evidence that “freemasonry.org” is one of several websites that collectively serve that function. Your research into the matter, which reveals that the site is run by the openly 100% Masonic "Philalethes Society," shows that it's one site that definitely has the “Masonic stamp of approval.” (Based on the info you just posted about the website, I personally don't think "independent" would be an accurate description of the website; I would actually call it the opposite of "independent." Perhaps we have a different interpretation of the meaning of the word "independent" in this case.)

Good find.
if they go through the effort of lying about you means you're starting to hurt them. well done btw :D
Thanks!

The moment I first saw their entry on me, complete with the reversal of my words, was the moment I knew my website had them worried. I took it as a reassuring sign that my research is on the right track.

first stage is to simply ignore you
second stage - character assassination
Exactly. They would like to give readers of their website the impression that I’m a “loony from the boondocks” who they regard as an amusing, “random” example of a lunatic “Anti-Mason.”

Considering that my website primarily deals with an extremely “out-there” subject matter – namely, my application of an “Ickean” perspective to the subject of crop circles – one has to ask the question: if I’m really as “out-there” as they’d like you to believe, why did they have to reverse my words in their “debunking,” instead of using my own words against me?

Very revealing, I think.

Anyway, for those of you who’d like to read my essay on the Howell, Michigan crop circles, which earned me my place on the Masons' online “Anti-Mason” list, here’s the link:
www.scatterdome.com/howell.htm

And, for those of you who would like to read about my updated perspective on crop circles (and the newest developments in my research) since I returned from the 5th annual ICCRA (Independent Crop Circle Researchers Association) conference in May, here’s the link:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26861

And, for reference, here’s the link to my original post, which “ban freekmasons” has reprinted here:
http://www.xsorbit3.com/users/cropcirclesthemessage/index.cgi?board=howell&action=display&num=1141097623

Once again, thanks for bringing my old post to this forum, “ban freekmasons.” (I don’t know why I hadn’t yet had the idea to do it myself!)

-- Jim Prange

[kweli]

if they go through the effort of lying about you means you're starting to hurt them. well done btw :D

first stage is to simply ignore you
second stage - character assassination

How very true; believe me I know!

Interesting thread.. thanks for sharing the info guys.

[91181]

Love reading your threads BF keep em comming...:D

[lightworks]

down with freemasonry
which
is but
anything
faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
from
being freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:D:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15tvovSk8zs&feature=related

[kweli]

Love reading your threads BF keep em comming...:D

Hmm.. I see he's on warning - - not sure if he's allowed to post?

[91181]

Hmm.. I see he's on warning - - not sure if he's allowed to post?



Yeah i noticed that after i posted , i was going to edit it and have a little rant as it seems the posters i find most interesting get banned eventually..

[kweli]

Yeah i noticed that after i posted , i was going to edit it and have a little rant as it seems the posters i find most interesting get banned eventually..

Ditto.

It won't do you any good to rant though (been there tried it) you'll only end up with a batch of naughty points yourself.

[keystone]

So in 10 days time when his warning expires I guess we can see a thread from Joe suggesting that the moderators of the forum are all masonically inspired and directed and therefore 100% part of the filthy plot against him! He's got previous for that! In retrospect, however, it won't be a suggestion - it'll be a downright accusation.

Oh perhaps it's been done already elsewhere! I'll take a look.

Nope - not in his usual haunt anyway. :D

[91181]

So in 10 days time when his warning expires I guess we can see a thread from Joe suggesting that the moderators of the forum are all masonically inspired and directed and therefore 100% part of the filthy plot against him! He's got previous for that! In retrospect, however, it won't be a suggestion - it'll be a downright accusation.

Oh perhaps it's been done already elsewhere! I'll take a look.

Nope - not in his usual haunt anyway. :D



Bit late on the posting keystone, normally your right up BFs ass, 1st to reply trying to debunk anything deemed antimasonic , your slacking boy. tut tut :D

[keystone]

Bit late on the posting keystone, normally your right up BFs ass, 1st to reply trying to debunk anything deemed antimasonic , your slacking boy. tut tut :DSorry. I'll do better. Hadn't actually got round to reading the original post properly yet then I saw a further response from the guy that actually wrote it which also deserves consideration before leaping in with a condemnation.

However the basic premise IS wrong. Ed King is a loner - bit of an oddball but still a loner but I'll come back to that later.

And BTW I'll only debunk the debunkable. Why can't Joe show his proofs? Perhaps it's because he doesn't have any? Nevertheless makes for entertaining reading sometimes. Almost as good as Starjade.

[91181]

Ditto.

It won't do you any good to rant though (been there tried it) you'll only end up with a batch of naughty points yourself.


Yes or have the thread sent to the rant room , iv seen many interesting threads dissapear into the rant room just because of an expresed opinion, there wasnt even a rant lol. I really feel 2tuff has a point with Icke being british SS, as much as i love his work it boggles me that the forum is moderated soooo much along with many opther things that deserve there own thread..ex; tv exposure , books being stocked by mainstream stores ect ect..


Anyways back on topic .. Im very close to my my uncle who has one of highest jobs at scotland yard and the masons have mad his life hell as he wont join , i cant go into detail as he still works for them but his opinions on masons and there influence they have are spot on with what BF's posts .

[keystone]

Im very close to my my uncle who has one of highest jobs at scotland yard and the masons have mad his life hell as he wont join , i cant go into detail as he still works for them but his opinions on masons and there influence they have are spot on with what BF's posts .That's very interesting because I know a number of senior people at NSY or who used to be (yes I do genuinely) who say entirely the opposite about masonic influence in the MPS.

If your uncle has data that supports Joe Stirlings posts then there's a fair chance that it isn't imagination on Joe's part. If it's true also then these people should neither be police officers and they should also be thrown out of the masons.

One of the highest jobs implies extremely close to the Commissioner in hierarchical terms. Well Blair ain't a mason and being the most politically correct Commissioner since pontius was a pilot is very unlikely to allow masons in high positions. Don't forget the MPS purge on police membership started back in the days of Kenneth Newman as Commissioner between 1982 and 1987.

So I say lets have some proof please and no I don't expect your uncle to expose himself but it would be nice if those who trumpet that they have would actually release it.

[rickcard]

Keystone

In my view the issues, about Freemasonry in Police, are symptomatic of a great unspoken problem besetting UK.

It is this. That the Queen took her Coronation Oath and became "Sole Fount of Justice in Mercy". But she and the country lost sight of that.

A constable is an independent ministerial officer of the Crown (not a uniformed ciovil servant of government). But, especially under Thatcher (Unlawful policing of Miners Strike) and Blair (Make Tony fount of all authority) the lawful position was lost and police now see themselves as part of a Comamnd structure run from the Home Office.

Where does this leave the Mason in the ranks. He is sworn as an independent ministerial officer of the Crown but betrays his oath to the Queen every day he reports for duty. As a mason he is also sworn (ultimate masonic sin including insult to the Queen) in a loyal structure (the reason Freemasonry was exempted from the Unlawful Societies Act of 1799 ?)

So de facto there is a conflict of oaths. And perhaps (I am only saying this because Mick Martion appears to have stopped watching and I must forego a bit of wind up fun) the country may be benbefitting from some internal tension in police or by now they would have gone even firther down the path of becoming Jack's Straw's Gestapo.

In practical terms Freemasonry was probably useful; in specialist work (Anti terrorist or Special Branch) because it provided officers a forum where they could float non-conformist a priori suspicions however outlandish without getting a backstab label of conspiracy theorist.

One problem Freemasonry has brought upon itself is dumbing down.

In fact yesterday I was writing the introduction to a complaint against a Masonic member of Kent Police Authority and I mention Sacred Geometry and my expectation that he should understand that a healthy society performs mathematically on dissidence (the same point as I make about AT and SB work above within the lodge) that the dissident voice should be amplified or attenuated or integrated or differentiated to a comparator (independent judiciary under Crown independent of Govt). This is society's equivalent of closed loop stability in engineering. An unhealthy society is one in which there is no maths perfoprmed on the essential elemnts of dissidence but in which dissidence is suppressed.

This suppression of complaint in Kent was carried out allagedly by Freemasons.

It will be interesting to me to see what UGLE make of it all.

I have been told that the matter, via my submission, has been categorized as Tribunal response only in the Rosemary Nelson Inquiry.

For my own part. I was familiarized with the Constable Oath and its lifelong obligation when in Army. I was trained by a former police sergeant member of 22 SAS. A Freemason. In fact a Mason who resigned the police and rejoined the Army (to gain reselection for SAS) because he was opposed to amalgamation of police forces and centralized promotion criteria run by Home Office.

My blog will bore you to tears but essentially I resigned police in 72 and have been seeking to uphold my constable oath in a sudden death case ever since. Some things have to matter. The case does extend back to the postwar Paperclip exercise involving Sue Ryder and Airey Neave. And measures taken by MI6 to smuggle useful Nazi war criminals to UK.

The Attorney Gebneral position is that he is absolute secret custodian of public interest. So he denies access to the Court (to quash the suicide verdict).

My position is that I am sworn to the Fount of All Justice in Mercy and bound by Constable Oath bound only by Coronation Oath to bow my knee to no man but Judge in Open Court. Once the duty (to investigate the sudden death) is charged then the matter is in the hands of the independent Crown admin of justice. If the Attorney General has a public interest argument then let him make it to the Judge.

That is an issue I think worth fighting. And so did tory minister Roger Evans MP (a barrister) who tried to gain access to the High Court in the case in the 90s.

There have been times when I wondered what it would have been like if I were a mason. An a priori chat about Vatican ratlines within the safe confines of a lodge. Input in confidence from other masons.

But at the end of the day the constable is sworn and independent. He alone is criminally responsible for the discharge of his duty (Regina v Bembridge 1783)

Best wishes Rick

[marpat]

Its a bit rich of BF to complain of what people have posted about him when he continually posts some really offensive and nasty stuff about freemasons. Let him without sin cast the first stone

[element]

It's a tragedy Joe can't post anymore. I do hope he comes back with great new stuff that blows us away.:D

[ban freekmasons]

So in 10 days time when his warning expires I guess we can see a thread from Joe suggesting that the moderators of the forum are all masonically inspired and directed and therefore 100% part of the filthy plot against him! He's got previous for that! In retrospect, however, it won't be a suggestion - it'll be a downright accusation.

Oh perhaps it's been done already elsewhere! I'll take a look.

Nope - not in his usual haunt anyway. :D

Monkeys and frogs :D

[kevincent]

murda mason ? nah pastor mason, lol, fuck a mase.son of the devil.