Aren't most people misunderstanding Reptilians?

[verbal]

People seem to always be referring to "is so-and-so" a reptilian?" or "shape-shifting soccer mom" or whatever. As I understood it, these represent a complete misunderstanding of the idea of reptilians...

Now I could very easily be the one off base here and I recognize that; offer a correction, not a flame; por favor.

First of all, no one IS a reptilian. Reptilians are 3 dimensional beings that exist at a frequency range that is just beyond our perception; however they do exist in the same general space.

For whatever reason*, certain people (Illuminati, right?) are easy for Reptilians to take over/possess. As such, generation after generation, by influencing events when possessing these individuals maintain various bloodlines (and control of positions of power - not to mention wealth) so as to maintain the gene sequences that enable the "ease of possession" trait.

*I've heard that it was genetic engineering, cross-species breeding (with reptilians or others), or just selective breeding.

Possession is a limited event (hours? days? weeks? I don't think longer than that is possible for some reason?) Any person who may be possessed, is not possessed all the time. Only when it is determined useful or necessary. Therefore, to ask "Is so-and-so a reptilian?" or to proclaim someone as such is misleading.

I would also like to touch on shape-shifting. I've changed my mind. I was going to explore the accepted explanations, but that would be too tedious for me. The truth is that I personally am quite skeptical, I'd even say doubtful, on this topic. I tend to believe lighting, imagination, hallucination, and not enough hugs as a child are the sources of such experiences. And in David Ickes case, I believe it was orchestrated disinformation that appeared to be numerous, seemingly unconnected, random individuals, coming forward, almost daily for a period over two weeks, describing extremely similar experiences about seeing shape-shifting. I say bullhonkey. They were successful disinformation.

My last bit here is a question. Is there anyone with first hand knowledge regarding the possession of people by reptilians? Is there any way of blocking such possession? Im dead serious about this. Someone very close to me is of an ancient Egyptian royal blood line and exhibits every trait of reptilian possession save for shape-shifting. Can stop the possessions? Can we protect her from them?
-v

[manx angel]

Verbal, I will PM you regarding your friend who suffers from the reptilian possession.

[energi]

I think that if they can shapeshift, whatever reason they do it nowadays (with all the sacrifice and stuff mentioned in "the biggest secret") is wrong from the beginning. And since all energy is constant, we humans need to "Awaken to Zero Point", create a HUGE waterripple of "love" in space - thus demolishing the negative energies and illusion from other "races" in "space".

So really, no worries, just tell yourself that all is illusion and all is and you stop EVERYTHING and create EVERYTHING = Zero, or the number 0, or the symbolism of ourboros etc.

Free the snake from biting it's tail, tell him it's an illusion in itself <3

[biblegirl]

Verbal, you make some good points. I think the reason we use the two interchangably is because the human host is so controlled by its possessor that there does not seem much distinction between the human and the controlling demon. (This seems true as far as the illuminati are concerned, as they constantly participate in rituals enabling possession). I think the human and the reptile occupy the same space, and thus manifest as either the host, the demon, or some of each at any given time. I don't know how limited possession is. I do believe in the shapeshifting, however. The first time I ever heard of shapeshifting was years ago before I had ever heard the term or heard of reptilians. I was reading an interview between a mental health psychologist and a man involved in the mai lai massacre (where the soldiers threw people in mass graves and shot them). The psychologist was an admitted atheist who did not believe in the supernatural. However, during the interview he said the man's facial structure would change off and on, taking on malevolent reptilian features,and the interviewer felt sure he was in the presence of evil. He did not know what to make of it, but summed up that he had never seen anything like it and that is was quite odd.

But I think you are right, in that it may be more correct to say that a person is known to be controlled by a reptilian, rather than they ARE a reptilian.

[gordonfreeman]

Not all Reptilians and Draconians are evil/negative.

I see many young teens and adults being possessed by these dark reptilians.

[supertzar]

There are both fourth dimensional reptilians and Illuminati hybrid reptilian/human shapeshifters is my understanding.

[biblegirl]

Ah, now that would make more sense superstarz! :)

Just when you think you have it all figured out...

[supertzar]

Furthermore, the two are at odds. The Illuminati were supposed to keep a tighter leash on humanity and have not followed through with the original plan. They want to keep things in their control and not turn over the reigns to the reptilians. I speculate that the tales of St. George slaying the dragon, Conan slaying the Snake People, etc. actually represent the Illuminati fighting the reptilians for control of the planet.

[manx angel]

Furthermore, the two are at odds. The Illuminati were supposed to keep a tighter leash on humanity and have not followed through with the original plan. They want to keep things in their control and not turn over the reigns to the reptilians. I speculate that the tales of St. George slaying the dragon, Conan slaying the Snake People, etc. actually represent the Illuminati fighting the reptilians for control of the planet.

I personally think the Illuminati are too wet, or rather far too obsessed with their own power and greed, to have the first bloody clue as to what they are dealing with. They are just a 'grown up' version of teens playing with Ouija boards and inviting all sorts in on themselves.

I wouldn't hold out any hopes that those idiots will ever prove themselves as 'dragon slayers'.

[supertzar]

I'm not rooting for either side. I'm just saying it's good to be aware that they may be casting themselves in the role of the protectors of humanity.

[verbal]

Now this (the illuminati v. rep conflict) is a cool take on it. so I see the two species, however don't the reptilians posess the illuminati on whatever basis, in order to carry out their adgenda? Perhaps that's what all the rituals etc are all about? Blocking the reptilians from possessing them? An owl swooping down to snatch a lizard for dinner... ? Or an eagle perhaps? hmmm...

that could be the reason for nwo. needing to centralize power in order to mount a force large enough for the fight? and to maintain unity - lest a rogue nation make a behind the scenes deal with the reptilians and betray us for special treatment... ? is an overt battle pending? or is there some other way nwo could serve illuminati in a fight against the reptilians? a fight over who runs slave planet earth dont forget...

this could explain the obviously, over-the-top cold war. arming for the coming battle... ? i mean really, who needs thousands of nuclear warheads eh?

interesting note: Icke speaks of the reptilians/illuminati feeding on the negative energy associated with fear and anger. In my ongoing relationship with (imo) a possessee, her clear intent (continuously) is to frustrate and anger me (i don't take to fear). I don't mean in normal relationship ways, i'm talking extreme, continuous insolence. After months of achieving this by keeping me from my son, I achieved peace with the situation (via court filings) thus ending the anger and frustration. within days, she was moving in. after a month or two of posession/non-posession switching, she has now gone to full time posession. i am fit to be tied. any other man would have beaten her to a pulp by now (no exaggeration - for real) i need to find a way of letting go and not allowing her to stir the anger and frustration in me... i'll report back.

[supertzar]

Hi, verbal. My understanding is that the reptilians created the Illuminati as 50/50 hybrids of human and reptilian DNA. The purebreds were forced to leave the planet or go underground, so they needed someone to rule the Earth for them until they could return. That is why they created the hybrids with the shapeshifting ability. It's not a matter of possession. The Illuminati have their own free will and they do not want to give up control of what they now see as their property.

By the way, I am not saying that the fourth-dimensional purebreds do not possess people, just that it's not necesarrily so with the Illuminati. There are some gaps in my understanding of this story such as were the reptilians who fought the Atlantians physical beings in 3D reality? What is their relationship to the 4D reptilians?

Why did you let the person keeping you from your son move in?

[lordzoma]

SIGH.

Doesn't anyone who postulates and pontificates this information actually read anything anymore?

There are thousands of alien species present on this planet.

Reptilians exist BOTH in 3d, and in 4d. There are numerous reptilian races, not just one that goes back and forth.


The Illuminati aren't at war with the reptilians. The person who started this thread needs to do a LOT more research before making some of the conclusions he's come across. MAY I RECOMMEND THE MATRIX JOURNALS EASILY DOWNLOADABLE FROM THE INTERNET?

The Illuminati / Reptilians are the same force. They have numerous groups and are constantly infighting with each other.

Members of the 'Illuminati' are absolutely possessed. One is born human with a human soul, and that soul is pushed out into the astral using rituals and orion manipulation. I seriously doubt any advanced incarnation is going to take over the body of someone who is going to be put in that position. Chances are they're just animal spirits incarnating those humans in the first place before the Orions come in and take them over.

Rituals lower the vibration of the body and make it easier for the 4d to take over the physical body. NOT ALL shapeshifters are 4d. in human hybrids. Many many shapeshiftesr are 3d aliens with the ability to change their physical form. Condi Rice, for example, isn't human, but isn't reptilian.

The point is that there are way more than just one group, and they may be at odds with each other, but that doesn't mean they support you.

In fact, NO GROUP AT ALL supports humans in a real tangible sense. The human experience is completely and totally isolated from the rest of the galaxy. Every other sentient race that would ever communicate with humans is AFRAID of humanity. It's because they themselves could choose to incarnate as a human and go through our path, which is the far more difficult one, but one which takes less time to get where we want to go, and one which they ALL will have to take eventually.

Every human at some point before they became human, certainly wasn't. Our consciousness didn't 'evolve'. We chose to incarnate as humans and have no recollection of our past lives in order to experience the universe from indiidual perspectives and have an accelerated curve of spiritual experience.

Outsiders such as every other alien group fear us because we're gaining power that they cannot. They want to change us. They want to stop us. But they can't. It's literally impossible for them to, because these are the rules of the game. As game addicted as they are there is nothing they can do to stop our spiritual progression other than make your physical reality a living hell. BUT THAT'S THE EXPERIENCE that helps us accelerate in the first place.

Enjoy what you're doing. Enjoy the life you're living. There's nothing you, or they, or anyone can do about it.

[supertzar]

Doesn't anyone who postulates and pontificates this information actually read anything anymore?

There are thousands of alien species present on this planet.

Reptilians exist BOTH in 3d, and in 4d. There are numerous reptilian races, not just one that goes back and forth.

Maybe you need to learn to read. My post acknowledged the existence of 3D and 4D reptilians and wondered about their relationship. You seriously think you know the exact truth based on what you read? I know I don't have all the answers or even close to it, but you think you know it all. Which one probably has a better self assessment? I am telling you some information that I think might be good and you are trying to just crap on it. That's what it looks like to me.

[lordzoma]

It looks to me like you need to stop taking things so fucking personally. I wasn't even addressing you.

[supertzar]

You addressed it to anyone i.e. everyone, so I figure I am one of the people you are criticizing. Seriously, are you that "fucking" sure of yourself about things like this?

[lordzoma]

Of course.

[bill23]

SIGH.

Doesn't anyone who postulates and pontificates this information actually read anything anymore?

There are thousands of alien species present on this planet.

Reptilians exist BOTH in 3d, and in 4d. There are numerous reptilian races, not just one that goes back and forth.


The Illuminati aren't at war with the reptilians. The person who started this thread needs to do a LOT more research before making some of the conclusions he's come across. MAY I RECOMMEND THE MATRIX JOURNALS EASILY DOWNLOADABLE FROM THE INTERNET?

The Illuminati / Reptilians are the same force. They have numerous groups and are constantly infighting with each other.

Members of the 'Illuminati' are absolutely possessed. One is born human with a human soul, and that soul is pushed out into the astral using rituals and orion manipulation. I seriously doubt any advanced incarnation is going to take over the body of someone who is going to be put in that position. Chances are they're just animal spirits incarnating those humans in the first place before the Orions come in and take them over.

Rituals lower the vibration of the body and make it easier for the 4d to take over the physical body. NOT ALL shapeshifters are 4d. in human hybrids. Many many shapeshiftesr are 3d aliens with the ability to change their physical form. Condi Rice, for example, isn't human, but isn't reptilian.

The point is that there are way more than just one group, and they may be at odds with each other, but that doesn't mean they support you.

In fact, NO GROUP AT ALL supports humans in a real tangible sense. The human experience is completely and totally isolated from the rest of the galaxy. Every other sentient race that would ever communicate with humans is AFRAID of humanity. It's because they themselves could choose to incarnate as a human and go through our path, which is the far more difficult one, but one which takes less time to get where we want to go, and one which they ALL will have to take eventually.

Every human at some point before they became human, certainly wasn't. Our consciousness didn't 'evolve'. We chose to incarnate as humans and have no recollection of our past lives in order to experience the universe from indiidual perspectives and have an accelerated curve of spiritual experience.

Outsiders such as every other alien group fear us because we're gaining power that they cannot. They want to change us. They want to stop us. But they can't. It's literally impossible for them to, because these are the rules of the game. As game addicted as they are there is nothing they can do to stop our spiritual progression other than make your physical reality a living hell. BUT THAT'S THE EXPERIENCE that helps us accelerate in the first place.

Enjoy what you're doing. Enjoy the life you're living. There's nothing you, or they, or anyone can do about it.

u need to get out abit more.

[lordzoma]

u need to get out abit more.

You need to get your head out of your ass and wake the fuck up. But who cares what you think.

[verbal]

I was just going over old stuff and came across some new (to me) stuff here.
Supertzar, thanks for the new perspectives.
lordzoma, rather than launch into a bunch of creative name calling, I'll just say I found your tone unpleasant in numerous ways; none of which show you in a very good light. Now, just for the record:
Lordzoma:
Doesn't anyone who postulates and pontificates this information actually read anything anymore? ... The person who started this thread needs to do a LOT more research before making some of the conclusions he's come across. MAY I RECOMMEND THE MATRIX JOURNALS EASILY DOWNLOADABLE FROM THE INTERNET?
Recommend whatever you want.
you point - three fingers pointing back at you. Perhaps you need to read (see following quote) and perhaps you need to stop making such firm conclusions and waving them around as fact, when we all know that the evidence is flimsy at best - not to mention, in the end, you don't really know anything, so why pretend?
Verbal:
Now I could very easily be the one off base here and I recognize that; offer a correction, not a flame; por favor.
Your post when taken in light of this quote (the third line of the OP, in which it is highlighted by placing blank returns above and below it) is one of our only independent pieces of data that reflects on your research. The quality of your attention to detail when reading new material is brought into question - thus, the empirical validity of your posted infomation is as well... May I recommend: Don't be a self-assured prick; especially when discussing fringe topics such as these. We're all (including yourself) doing the best we can.
cheers
-v

[jojo]

verbal,:eek: your avatar is really disturbing...

[tracker]

People seem to always be referring to "is so-and-so" a reptilian?" or "shape-shifting soccer mom" or whatever. As I understood it, these represent a complete misunderstanding of the idea of reptilians...

Now I could very easily be the one off base here and I recognize that; offer a correction, not a flame; por favor.

First of all, no one IS a reptilian. Reptilians are 3 dimensional beings that exist at a frequency range that is just beyond our perception; however they do exist in the same general space.

For whatever reason*, certain people (Illuminati, right?) are easy for Reptilians to take over/possess. As such, generation after generation, by influencing events when possessing these individuals maintain various bloodlines (and control of positions of power - not to mention wealth) so as to maintain the gene sequences that enable the "ease of possession" trait.

*I've heard that it was genetic engineering, cross-species breeding (with reptilians or others), or just selective breeding.

Possession is a limited event (hours? days? weeks? I don't think longer than that is possible for some reason?) Any person who may be possessed, is not possessed all the time. Only when it is determined useful or necessary. Therefore, to ask "Is so-and-so a reptilian?" or to proclaim someone as such is misleading.

I would also like to touch on shape-shifting. I've changed my mind. I was going to explore the accepted explanations, but that would be too tedious for me. The truth is that I personally am quite skeptical, I'd even say doubtful, on this topic. I tend to believe lighting, imagination, hallucination, and not enough hugs as a child are the sources of such experiences. And in David Ickes case, I believe it was orchestrated disinformation that appeared to be numerous, seemingly unconnected, random individuals, coming forward, almost daily for a period over two weeks, describing extremely similar experiences about seeing shape-shifting. I say bullhonkey. They were successful disinformation.

My last bit here is a question. Is there anyone with first hand knowledge regarding the possession of people by reptilians? Is there any way of blocking such possession? Im dead serious about this. Someone very close to me is of an ancient Egyptian royal blood line and exhibits every trait of reptilian possession save for shape-shifting. Can stop the possessions? Can we protect her from them?
-v


i will come back to this thread as i have had some experience with those i used to call as a child

glowers .

a being that glowed around the edge of their siluete but had a dark inner center .
some called them the real illuminate , the illuminated ones .not the people type blood lines , but the real illuminate . the reptilians .

1stly !

understand this .

not all reptilians are bad . some have reached higher consciousness .

one must analise as to whether they are enemy or freind before rushing into these things .

i will return to this thread another time . sorry mytime on this pc is rnning out tonight . it is not my pc .:cool:

[rhydra]

I most definately say that they should not be given the mob with pitchforks treatment, just because a being is different and has a religiously motivated hatred put on them they are not likely to be as enthusiastic to make themselves properly known. If there are some bad ones, those who are inclined to help humans might be less inclined to do so if they feel they are going to be attacked indiscriminately.

Look at the history of the human species as it is, the violence used between each other, the blind racial and religious hatred which leads to the most horrendous events unfolding. Needless to say I can hear the voices blaming the hands of the reptiles and other aliens. but there comes a time when a species has to face up to the consequences of it's own actions without blaming others for it's shortcomings. Humanity needs to mature and ascend out of the superstitious prison it has built for itself.

Occasionally there does come some glimmers of an enlightenment, a hint at a greater understanding, the beast starts to come out of it's cave. Instead the beast finds the light to bright and retreats back into the comfort of superstition, ignorance and bigotry.

Sometimes I wonder if humans, as a whole, really want to be saved, they don't even seem keen on saving themselves.

[verbal]

A couple of questions related to the prior two posts. Understand, I'm not judging or mocking or any of that stuff, in any way. I really don't see how you can be comfortable discussing reptilians and and other alien beings and address their existence and nature as if it were common knowledge. As if such topics are laden with irrefutable evidence that addressing their existence and physical, conscious, & mental nature is a moot point.

I agree that humanity need some serious growth and maturity, and needs it soon. It needs the kind of growth that give you those horrible pains in your legs when you're a kid. However this statement, Sometimes I wonder if humans, as a whole, really want to be saved, they don't even seem keen on saving themselves.
baffles me. How did any saving get involved in this discussion? I don't think humanity wants any saving going on. Saving by aliens nor saving by ourselves. Why do we have to be saved at all? Saved from what? Why can't we handle the situation our selves?

[rhydra]

Those who have woken up to the situation are probably only really waking up, being aware is only the start. I don't profess to have the answers to the problems but I can see the hostility toward reptilians and other beings, both real and less than so. perhaps saving wasn't the correct word, maybe assistance or help might have been better.

Edit, but yes, I do think that reptilians are being misunderstood and unfairly so, being associated with negativity and certain nefarious people in power etc.

[octopusrex]

Verbal, what I want to know is... what kinda herb gives you THOSE kinda red-eyes!

[pmartin28]

the Illuminati are not here to save us, and they have no intentions on saving us either, their more consumed with wealth and power, also the reptilians are very real, they are a race of beings that can travel through one dimension to another, they can and do cross into our dimension, they are also a race that enslaves other races by infiltrating governments and religions. they control the
Illuminati, through promises of wealth and power.

[rhydra]

Only they don't control the illuminati, the illuminati are behind this "reptilians are horrible" spread though religion and other means so the population doesn't know how also to travel from one dimension to another and become truly sentient. The illuminati would rather see the population of the world as slaves than being able to break free.

[misterethoughts]

Good question, I definitely agree about the part people misunderstanding the reptilian concept. I need to do more research about this topic.

[verbal]

About my avatar:

Apparently whatever we're connected to and access through our minds has a sense of humor...
As June 6, 2006 approached (end of May?), in a "quiet moment", in my mind I said, "whatever is out there, could you please send me a sign if there's any actual significance to all this 666 stuff?"

That's an unedited picture of my eyes on 6/6/06. The material cause is primarily burst blood vessels. Needless to say, the "concidence" (for me) stepped way past possibly being due to chance. I find it nice to know/reassuring that something is definitely "out there". ?