We are doomed to lose the fight...

[gorana]

Hello everyone,

let me introduce myself. I'm just a local forum strider. Yo will sometimes see me here readingyour posts, but i write very rarely. Tis is due to the quote i like: "If you don't have to tell anything important, keep your mouth shut". But i really enjoy this place and i think it opened my eyes.

Why do i write to you now? I have a concern that we may not manage to stop NWO. Since days i'm spending a lot of time thinking about all this, i think about past, about my life about current situation and about possible future. Thoughts also stride towards my future and future of my family, my kids, my relatives. After a long thought i come to conclusion, whatever we do or not do, we will lose the fight against NWO.

Yes, we are doomed... NWO will be implemented no matter what happens. Because, they are organized and we are not. They are team who plans their steps and sofar implement them as they wish. They do not successed on every step, but they make sure that next step will be in the way they want it to be.

And us? We are just a few. The number is not important and the number will rise over time, bzt the issue is that we are acting as individuals compared to them. They do not care if their way is going to be implemented tomorrow or in a month or in 10 years. They train their kids to follow them, they seek people who can replace them in their conquest. They are army compare to our movement.

And we are finding this truth by our own, each and every one by ourselves. We are rediscovering all these things again and again. We start as already trained "belivers" in this system, we start as followers of it, some of us even embrace it as best one available. We all learn it one by one, every one of us. And when we die, all the knowledge is lost and next generation has to start from begining.

If we do not organize a bit better, we will lose. They have power. They have money. No, they control both and controll everything. We, the people in this forum, will lose anyhow, because they are in advantage, but our kind can win against them.

We are all alone. Individuals... You... Him... Me... Why? Because we are figuring the truth by ourselves.

We should work as a team. We should make groups. We should organize seminars. We should collect facts which point at them.

According to David and many others, they teamed ages ago... even centuries... They organized themselves and ruled the world. This passed mostly unnoticed, because people were fighting for survive.Until this century. These days we know what they are doing and we have to fight back.

We should fight, but not on their rules. They fight with media, with weapons, with control. We should fight different, we should look at one of brightest people of this world, Gandhi, we should learn from him and other people of his kind. We should fight back with love.

We need to organize ourselves.

G.

[kimball13]

good post, it wiil take love. We need a miricle like love to take place, and not give up 5 minutes before the miricle.

[jayelowell]

i dont feel as if we have anything to lose! my goal or should i say our goal is to evolve in conciousness & become aware of everything we need to know. We must ready ourselfs for the 4th & 5th demension or whateva it is we will evolve to! i really dont care much about globalization anymore because i feel i have become aware to what the NWO has been tryin' to hide from us! Share truth!
visit the thread in my sig.

[nirvana]

Agree we can talk on forums or go to see david Icke speak or David starbuck speak{if you have not heard this guy speak well worth it} This guy is where alot of David ickes education came from.

But what are we doing to organise? We can do so much festivals etc .That would'nt cost a fortune.

It seems like the main objective with all this NWO stuff with most speakers is to make lots of money.David Icke has done wanders to bring alot of this information out into the public domain. But why does he have copy right to his books and dvds.This is part of the control mechanism.

The info regarding the NWO should be so serious that there should be no copy right control especially from people speaking out against the NWO.

But is this the main objective give people a few snippets of info.Have full rights by law over your info [so no one else can use it] and keep em in a state anticipation frustrated paranoid etc

David starbuck link.
http://www.newhorizonsstannes.com/

[devanshoom]

ah well....

the v for vendetta woman has a good point...I feel.

What to do???

We could do with some outside help.....maybe we should direct a bit more meditaional time skywards and put out a message to the pleiadains that we would are ready for them to come down and lend a hand sorting this woeful fucking mess out.

I cant help being a tad pissed to be honest...these all-powerful dudes supposedly hovering around in the clouds waiting for us all to wake up before they will step in and help us out......contacting a few random individuals like billy meiier is too damn slow. You may as well contact captain caveman as Billy mierre ( man i can never get his name right). Paris Hilton would be a far better "target" to generate some mass fervour...or landing smack bang in the middle of the world cup final or something...can you see what I mean?

I have started sending messages to them myself......

[gordysmit]

I not really bothered about N.W.O anymore.As it is all a illusion and if the people all awaken and stand up! all they have to do! "the government" Is to go in the bunker and bomb the world as there not in fear. So why should we if we die well why should be bother as if we die we wont be in N.W.O any more thats my penneys worth

[bario]

Lately I've been bashing my skull thinking to myself it's all fair and well knowing all this information, but what can we achieve by doing so if we take no action.

The main problem being that the NWO nonsense is so ingrained in society that it is difficult trying to figure out how and where to start taking it apart.

Obviously enlightening more people as to what is wrong with the world is a good start, but all that gives you is more enlightened people in the same position not knowing where to start changing things.

I imagine a few of you can relate to this....

[mcthompson2x]

It may sound corny/predictable, but the only way the Universe is going to throw us a rope when we need it is if we keep doing the right things. There is always a way, and perhaps that way is obscured at the moment. Many events still have to transpire but the public is truly waking up and waking up their friends and relatives - if there is another false flag attack, for instance, I doubt as many people would buy it as who bought into 9/11 being a random terrorist attack. Also, the bigger the conspiracy gets, the more likely that there will be evidence and various leaks. The more that these things pile up, the more the public will be forced to see the truth. I don't think we can lose, anyway - only on a personal basis. Although we all live in this world, we are really alive so that we may become enlightened and understand the nature of reality and how to cooperate with each other without violating or dominating each other. The real battle is in your head, and it's a personal one. When you know the truth, and when you've seen the light, you really can't turn away from it and hope to succeed. The light is success - the truth and acknowledgment of it is the only way to succeed, literally. So once you know the truth, you can only move forward or move backward. If you know and follow the truth, your body will act accordingly.

[gordysmit]

Yes I try to tell people but like you say like bashing your head against a brick wall but you need to start with the children as there in a make believe world and thats where it all started with the children

[gordysmit]

It may sound corny/predictable, but the only way the Universe is going to throw us a rope when we need it is if we keep doing the right things. There is always a way, and perhaps that way is obscured at the moment. Many events still have to transpire but the public is truly waking up and waking up their friends and relatives - if there is another false flag attack, for instance, I doubt as many people would buy it as who bought into 9/11 being a random terrorist attack. Also, the bigger the conspiracy gets, the more likely that there will be evidence and various leaks. The more that these things pile up, the more the public will be forced to see the truth. I don't think we can lose, anyway - only on a personal basis. Although we all live in this world, we are really alive so that we may become enlightened and understand the nature of reality and how to cooperate with each other without violating or dominating each other. The real battle is in your head, and it's a personal one. When you know the truth, and when you've seen the light, you really can't turn away from it and hope to succeed. The light is success - the truth and acknowledgment of it is the only way to succeed, literally. So once you know the truth, you can only move forward or move backward. If you know and follow the truth, your body will act accordingly.

Like you say is all true as the truth hurts for some people and when you know the truth no one can tell you any different like when people are sheep "not awakened yet" they only hear what they want to hear. But when there awake you cant switch off and go back to sleep

[cleft_asunder]

Hello everyone,

let me introduce myself. I'm just a local forum strider. Yo will sometimes see me here readingyour posts, but i write very rarely. Tis is due to the quote i like: "If you don't have to tell anything important, keep your mouth shut". But i really enjoy this place and i think it opened my eyes.

Why do i write to you now? I have a concern that we may not manage to stop NWO. Since days i'm spending a lot of time thinking about all this, i think about past, about my life about current situation and about possible future. Thoughts also stride towards my future and future of my family, my kids, my relatives. After a long thought i come to conclusion, whatever we do or not do, we will lose the fight against NWO.

Yes, we are doomed... NWO will be implemented no matter what happens. Because, they are organized and we are not. They are team who plans their steps and sofar implement them as they wish. They do not successed on every step, but they make sure that next step will be in the way they want it to be.

And us? We are just a few. The number is not important and the number will rise over time, bzt the issue is that we are acting as individuals compared to them. They do not care if their way is going to be implemented tomorrow or in a month or in 10 years. They train their kids to follow them, they seek people who can replace them in their conquest. They are army compare to our movement.

And we are finding this truth by our own, each and every one by ourselves. We are rediscovering all these things again and again. We start as already trained "belivers" in this system, we start as followers of it, some of us even embrace it as best one available. We all learn it one by one, every one of us. And when we die, all the knowledge is lost and next generation has to start from begining.

If we do not organize a bit better, we will lose. They have power. They have money. No, they control both and controll everything. We, the people in this forum, will lose anyhow, because they are in advantage, but our kind can win against them.

We are all alone. Individuals... You... Him... Me... Why? Because we are figuring the truth by ourselves.

We should work as a team. We should make groups. We should organize seminars. We should collect facts which point at them.

According to David and many others, they teamed ages ago... even centuries... They organized themselves and ruled the world. This passed mostly unnoticed, because people were fighting for survive.Until this century. These days we know what they are doing and we have to fight back.

We should fight, but not on their rules. They fight with media, with weapons, with control. We should fight different, we should look at one of brightest people of this world, Gandhi, we should learn from him and other people of his kind. We should fight back with love.

We need to organize ourselves.

G.

I agree except for the last part. If would could organize, we would already have done so. Humanity was genetically modified so that it has no real desire to break free. We are our worst enemy.

[cleft_asunder]

i dont feel as if we have anything to lose! my goal or should i say our goal is to evolve in conciousness & become aware of everything we need to know. We must ready ourselfs for the 4th & 5th demension or whateva it is we will evolve to! i really dont care much about globalization anymore because i feel i have become aware to what the NWO has been tryin' to hide from us! Share truth!
visit the thread in my sig.

See, they got you too. Don't you see that all that stuff about ascension was put out so people like you can sit on your butt and wait for it, while the NWO carries on? And even if the ascension stuff is true, they want us to ascend. It's just a new phase of the NWO. I don't mean to sound simplistic, but I'm too lazy to explain. I've explained it too many times.

[cleft_asunder]

The only way we're going to save humanity is if we save ourselves first.

Wanting to reform the world without discovering one's true self is like trying to cover the world with leather to avoid the pain of walking on stones and thorns. It is much simpler to wear shoes.

From `Happiness and God's Grace'
by Ramana Maharshi

[gordysmit]

Its like the N.W.O started with the British colony's In the old world thats why they call it now the new world and it needs order If you agree or not I think the Queens got a lot to do with it

[cleft_asunder]

Agree we can talk on forums or go to see david Icke speak or David starbuck speak{if you have not heard this guy speak well worth it} This guy is where alot of David ickes education came from.

But what are we doing to organise? We can do so much festivals etc .That would'nt cost a fortune.

It seems like the main objective with all this NWO stuff with most speakers is to make lots of money.David Icke has done wanders to bring alot of this information out into the public domain. But why does he have copy right to his books and dvds.This is part of the control mechanism.

The info regarding the NWO should be so serious that there should be no copy right control especially from people speaking out against the NWO.

But is this the main objective give people a few snippets of info.Have full rights by law over your info [so no one else can use it] and keep em in a state anticipation frustrated paranoid etc

David starbuck link.
http://www.newhorizonsstannes.com/

People in past societies were far more conscious of the Reptilians, and they even walked openly. We new more then, and what has changed? Instead of seeing the desception, we chose to sacrifice to them so that they looked favorably over "poor little me." No matter how you cut it, humanity is a slave race, and everything about our whole organism was designed to keep us slaves.

Instead of giving the finger to the god's, humanity always seems to prefer sucking their _____. Didn't change then, won't change now.

Don't worry about humanity. They are slaves and proud of it. Go look at China. If I was thrown into China and forced to work up to 16 hours a day, I would commit suicide within a month. So my point is that we are the exception, not the rule. We don't represent what humanity is on the whole. Therefore, save yourself. Make it your goal to rediscover your true self. Anything short of that won't make a difference.

[jayelowell]

cleft please dont judge anybody! you shouldnt hold a grudge against me because of the genre of music i am into!
i just dont pay mind to you and i cant see how anybody would! ever since you said...
The soul is another ego, a false self. It is temporal.
beware of phalse prophets!!!

[cleft_asunder]

cleft please dont judge anybody! you shouldnt hold a grudge against me because of the genre of music i am into!
i just dont pay mind to you and i cant see how anybody would! ever since you said...

beware of phalse prophets!!!

I already explained that in your other thread in detail, but you seem to have missed it.

[jayelowell]

I already explained that in your other thread in detail, but you seem to have missed it.definitely!

[branjo]

Everyone can very well get their souls in order and become one with things on the preparation that they will be leaving soon. The spirit is just as an important thing I am in total agreement of that, but!

If we are all spiritual beings too then we all choose to inhabit these bodies for a reason bigger than that of our own consciousness or benefit due to karmic knowledge. Are we not here to make every life count? We shouldn't feel selfish to cling to our current physical form, isn't that why we live, because we want to live?

Never before has anyone known this much about a nwo plan, never before have we had the power to prevent anything we don't want to happen than we do right now.

Now they are ones shitting themselves and their insane laws are a perfect example of this, so they are actually basically telling us that it would be illegal to fight back, hmmm... no shit Sherlock!... I think we gathered that much on our own...lol

We are in the STRONGEST (and I cant emphasize that word enough) position that we have ever been in and the uncertainty that we feel is because we have never had this much control over our own destiny before so looking down just "seems" like its farther to fall. But make no mistake sooner or later we will all be forced into the same reality as the next person, and everything you do will have an effect.

[linredfern]

There was a protest rally on July 4th in London. It was publicised on utube. There will be another on September 2nd if anybody is interested. Details can be found on this site
2ND Sept - NEW WORLD ORDER Revolution. Governmental Freedom! - YouTube

[emanuel]

A lot of fear on this thread......!

We are more powerful than you think. That is the very reason we are suppressed, because of our capabilities.

The funny thing in all of this is that the answer is ever so simple....yet people complicate it because THAT is what we are programmed to do. All we have to do is be love....that's it.....that's all. Love increases your vibration which leads to higher consciousness or higher dimensions (depends on your viewpoint). If we do that, they lose. End of story. Sounds simple because IT IS SIMPLE! Why do you think they are putting in massive amounts of effort to stop this??? Because they know how powerful we truely are and how difficult it actually is to control us. It is time we 'knew' this too. There is absolutely nothing to fear what...so...ever! All we need do is recognise that we are all one big global family and love each other as such. Remember the hundredth monkey effect! Just do nice things for people as often as possible and MEAN it, FEEL it. Next time you go for a coffee at starbucks (or wherever) buy a drink for the person that serves you and watch how their energy changes...they 'light up'!

[kimball13]

this topic and forum are one of the ways to just end the fight.
this is the way, we go into the world, yet we meet and discus ourobsevations of what the sicknes is, and we seek a medicine for healing, it is in this way the Elders led the people, by not only example, but also by forethought, and seeking, a vision to bring a healing to the people.

[emanuel]

Has anybody ever been asked a question that has a real simple answer but got the answer wrong because they were looking for a more complex one?

We already have the answer.....but we are trying to formulate a complicated one *chuckle as I write*

[cruise4]

They do not care if their way is going to be implemented tomorrow or in a month or in 10 years.

I think they are in a hurry. Exactly why I'm unsure. There are a number of possibilities.

All we have to do is be love....that's it.....that's all.

Another call to 'Faith'.

[samson]

We are doomed to lose the fight...


With that mindset one certainly won't get far. Why not intent that we will win and win gloriously at that? :)

[shenoma]

I could train people in the ways those motherfuckers use, but no one seems to care to learn from me and to use the knowledge to fight them on other planes of thoughts. I am doing what I can by myself and trying to reach people has I go. Stand and fight or get out of the way. Learn and grow.

[jayelowell]

i currently am looking for another awakened person to learn from!

[shenoma]

Learn about your self and do what makes your life better to begin and end with. Then, learn about energy of the human body, earth, and cosmos. The evil people have misused it all.

It's time we learn the art of high level power of true magic. I know that is a scary word to some and a joke to others. The elite use it but they don't know everything. It's time we counter act all the low level energy and remove the blockage that surrounds this planet. People use to live for 100's of years, and there are humans that are much older then what you think.

Everyone is a beautiful source of energy and we are all one. To that end if we truly want peace, we must push and work for it because the other side is doing everything they can not too. Go and do the research your self.

Love in all.

i currently am looking for another awakened person to learn from!

[jayelowell]

thnx!!! next lesson... plz

[shenoma]

Learn about your own past lives, this is where the elite's power over you will dry up real quick. ALL the lost ancient knowledge can all be gleaned with everyone having recall ablities for themselves. Yes, there is life after death and this entire universe is fake. David is right, but we have to understand why WE created this matrix for ourselves.

I'm working spells of love and knowledge to drain the vile ones that the elite cast. Well, if you believe doing magic is evil then stay out of it, let the warriors take care of it for you. They hide in the dark, we come into the light, be the white to their black. Duality is this reality. Marching on the street ain't going to do the bigger job.

I could stay in the closest with what I believe but that's what the coward elite do.

thnx!!! next lesson... plz

[jayelowell]

how do i learn about my past lives?

[zen_fox]

if you're scared to lose then don't play the game

[kimball13]

well it helps the shock factor if when you do you already knew:D

[gorana]

With that mindset one certainly won't get far. Why not intent that we will win and win gloriously at that? :)
I want to win!

Of course i do.

But i see a group of individuals who are fighting their own fight. It is simmilar to when 10 (100?1000?) small countries try to fight against big country (USA? Russia? China?) at same moment.

All of them alone cannot win on their own. They have to unite, they have to fight it together, at same moment, against same target, to stretch their ressources...

Thats what i'm trying to say in my post. We have to unite and fight together, we have to communicate facts to other people. And we should not fight each other...

G.

[gorana]

if you're scared to lose then don't play the game

I picked this avatar, not because it is pretty, but because it shows me. It shows me, as i am. Story behind that avatar, i think you know.

G.

[deafbred]

the New World Order...exists NOW we just don't know it.

Once it reveals itself......it won't be in the shadows anymore.

Therefore...it will be in the light

What was created and developed in the shadows...will fall apart...

because it was made in the shadows, it was CRAFTED from DARKNESS

when someone is making something in the shadows...it is destine to completely fall apart because...when it was made it was made with BLIND EYES, it was constructed with DEAF EARS, it was envisioned with an insane mind-it was created by DESTRUCTION for DESTRUCTION.

it was made light in the dark from their deeds but when it comes to the TRUTH of the light in the NOW which ALWAYS WAS..

it will fall to pieces because of the light it was created in, during their MEAN_time REIN which will be eventually on an outside RAIN before all to see finally in their NAME,

and the blackness it was created IN will be at the CENTER of their CREATION when The NEW WORLD ORDER is finally UNVEILED

...so SCIENTIFICALLY, SPIRITUALLY, INEVITABLY, their DESTINY, will SELF IMPLODE, because the BLACKNESS (VOID) it was CREATED during the TIME THEY MADE IT will MURDER THEM and everything they SET UP because it was made in DESTRUCTION during the NOW when IT was being created, and their dead past will ever last THEM to inevitable endless contempt, spiraling to a never ENDing compost of recirculation that will remind them constantly of what they had been portraying

"IT" --NEVER WAS-- even during the MEAN-time--- IT ---NEVER ~WILL BE~ in the NOW, at least forever, because it WON'T ALLOW ITSELF TO BE IN THE NOW -

So when IT comes around...it may be here for 'a little while' but...it is not going to be even while it is supposedly being, in the FALSENESS of THEIR NOW- it will destroy itself because IT is DESTRUCTION----IT will destroy, because it is NOT - IT will never BE because IT, never WAS - it was a DREAM - a NEED, IT - was ALWAYS LACKING(())from without, desiring to be within, but always resisting.

IT will never be SUSTAINABLE - because it feeds off WHAT IS and NEVER WILL ___BE___ ~truly~ because EVEN AT IT'S HEIGHT!!! IT WILL BEGIN TO FALL

AND ONCE IT DOES...IT'S FALL WILL BE GREAT, BECAUSE IT STOOD and was being built for so long.

IT will never BE again even though it never was when it was MADE

after IT is UNDER OUR TOES, WE will CAGE this PROBLEM FOREVER

WE WILL LOCK IT UP and THROW AWAY THE KEY

WE WILL NEVER SEE IT AGAIN OR HEAR OF IT OR BELIEVE IN ITS FALSE TEACHINGS

WE WILL HAVE OVERCOME THE 'TERRIBLE' BECAUSE WE SAW IT THROUGH TO THE END

AND WHEN THE END COMES

WE WILL BE GLAD AND JOYFUL AND HAPPY AND AMAZED AND UPLIFTED AND OVERWHELMED WITH TEARS OF AN ENDLESS SMILE

THE TEARS WILL FALL AWAY AND EVEN THEY WILL NEVER BE AGAIN

IT WILL BE THE END OF ALL THINGS THAT WERE -NOT-

EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMED LIKE -THEY WERE- THEY'RE )NOT(

THEY ---- ARE IN BETWEEN - WHERE ---nothing.... (IS)

THEY CREATED THE DIVISIONS - - - LEVERAGED THE PULL

CONTRACTED THEIR RESISTANCE to NOT be apart of whats REAL and Whole

We should have NOTHING to fear because we are NOT WITHOUT

We who are of "us" are (WITHIN) - and got all we need and then some more if we are ever put out the door

We will rise again

but THEY, will not, because THEY, are of the NOT and what NEVER WAS

because they are an illusion, a delusion and soon VERY SOON MY FRIENDS:D!!! THEY will HAVE a CONCLUSION

they were of the NOT and WE are from what IS

The TRUTH - - is LAIN within US

WE have NOTHING to fear but FEAR itself truly

because if we allow ourselves to MARVEL and WONDER...THEN and ONLY THEN...will WE invite the DECEIVE

THAT and ONLY THAT, will DESTROY "us"

we CANNOT let THEM in

they cannot attack us from within, THEY are from with OUT

THEY, are not of "us"

we have nothing to fear

we should be happy and reassured at how clear it is TODAY that evil is attempting its silly rein

it's the absolute epitome of UNDERSTANDING and WISDOM to KNOW what is taking place in the here and now RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES

RIGHT BEFORE OUT EARS

IT'S SOOOOO CLEAR

stay dear to yourselves, WE who are of "us" and the I withIn because it WILL NEVER BE LOST as long as you don't disregard it's guard

YOU - are the DESTINY

YOU who are of "us"

YOU will live FOREVER with your TRUST in ...jesus

until then, don't let YOURSELF go, it will show, when light shines universal

DON'T let your IDEAL go

it's all you got to show for yourself

in the end when atoms are raised up, what you abide in NOW, will show it's face FOREVER, ten fold, and just what is that FACE of you...a shoo? or an invite? granted there will be more, but to those who sought in nothing, a gain to PROFANE their NAME in the GAME for the SAKE of a LAME BLAME grain, will be ASHAMED and fall away from themselves and others, closing the door to more..of what could have been in store. Instead they stole for themselves and existed to indulge, the victim of a store shelve, where they SOLD THEMSELVES and their SOUL to a BOWL of endless SORROW.

make PEACE my friends with what is passing away in the world because you cannot take any of it with you if and when you leave here

store up for yourselves something TRUE

the POTENTIAL of which is YOU

so you don't get caught up in the glue of a paced race DEFACE

keep your image of what is you in the true bloom so you don't forget what your are, your not bizarre, your a star, you'll never fade away, you'll always be OK, no matter what, don't loose your identity because your more than a number of conformity. your endless potential, and you should be free to know that, so you can exist forever, endlessly, apart from the cage where dignity is lost, as long as you toss your opportunity on the cross.

[noobcybot]

I for one am not doomed. I cant wait for the NWO to come forward, it will be the beginning of a new more enlightened age for us whatever happens. I dont really believe in death so you know, it cool.

[gorana]

I for one am not doomed. I cant wait for the NWO to come forward, it will be the beginning of a new more enlightened age for us whatever happens. I dont really believe in death so you know, it cool.

I don't care about death. I don't care about me...

I care on all these people who are still programmed, who do not know what you and me do. We need to organize to help them, to learn what we know...

I know one thing: "there is still a lot to learn!", even for me...

G.

[ichi wa zen]

Wasnt it a Rothschild who said, he who controls the money, controls all or something!?!

Well, China owns the money right now, not Rothschild and his buddies.

Asia is in control now.

The End.

[noobcybot]

Wasnt it a Rothschild who said, he who controls the money, controls all or something!?!

Well, China owns the money right now, not Rothschild and his buddies.

Asia is in control now.

The End.


And where did China get their money? The whole idea of an agenda surpasses national economies. I think you are falling into their trap Ichi.

[noobcybot]

I don't care about death. I don't care about me...

I care on all these people who are still programmed, who do not know what you and me do. We need to organize to help them, to learn what we know...

I know one thing: "there is still a lot to learn!", even for me...

G.

So what are you actually getting at Gorana?

[ichi wa zen]

And where did China get their money? The whole idea of an agenda surpasses national economies. I think you are falling into their trap Ichi.

Pick up any product in your home and read: Made in China!

[gorana]

Wasnt it a Rothschild who said, he who controls the money, controls all or something!?!

Well, China owns the money right now, not Rothschild and his buddies.

Asia is in control now.

The End.

Who owns china? Or who owns the china companies?

G.

[ichi wa zen]

Who owns china? Or who owns the china companies?

G.

Chinese people. Foreigners are not allowed to exercise any real control within China.

[ichi wa zen]

The Chinese sweatshop industry is controlled/financed by the global elite. They have moved the world's manufacturing over to China- and one of the reasons why, is because of the size of the population there. :(

So, explain to me why then China is the only country in the world who wants to get rid of paper money? Money/debt is THE way the elite control us.

China recently said they wanted to get rid of the floating currencies and return to the gold standard.

The elite lcan exercise control because of this paper money which they create out of thin air. Now if they lose this money creating out of thin air thingy, the people will no longer be enslaved.

All of China's actions show they are fighting the status quo and not being part of them.

Explain?

[size_of_light]

If you've ever had a lucid dream, you can appreciate the approach of fighting a good fight in a dream, with a sense of humour and no real attachment to the outcome.

[size_of_light]

Fuck, I just realised you're not talking about this anymore!

[sieben]

Ok, first of all, Vendetta-Woman is RIGHT! We are all victims of our lazyness, we are to poor, without power and at least to egocentric to change ANYTHING or EVERYTHING!
To be honest, if we get the power and earn good cash and i am talking about incomes of several million euros a year we accept the situation how it is and swim with the fishes. We get cought by the NWO system and don't work against them, because we are simply addicted to them. If we not follow we gonna loose all the nice money, so why should we dirt up our hands then? Because I HAVE a good life!
We are only in the situation to talk and to talk and talk. blah blah blah, we never are be able to change anything. If you think i lost the race, yes i did, like we all did.
I am personally doomed anyway, but thats another story. The last things i can do in my life is, to protect my children as good as i can, as long as i can. I hope very long but who knows, i am not god.

Well some how i still really hope about a big awakening, and i am not talking about the end of the world!

[tejas]

Learn about your self and do what makes your life better to begin and end with. Then, learn about energy of the human body, earth, and cosmos. The evil people have misused it all.

It's time we learn the art of high level power of true magic. I know that is a scary word to some and a joke to others. The elite use it but they don't know everything. It's time we counter act all the low level energy and remove the blockage that surrounds this planet. People use to live for 100's of years, and there are humans that are much older then what you think.

Everyone is a beautiful source of energy and we are all one. To that end if we truly want peace, we must push and work for it because the other side is doing everything they can not too. Go and do the research your self.

Love in all.

Do you have any links/ sources of information you would reccomend?

[noobcybot]

So, explain to me why then China is the only country in the world who wants to get rid of paper money? Money/debt is THE way the elite control us.

China recently said they wanted to get rid of the floating currencies and return to the gold standard.

The elite lcan exercise control because of this paper money which they create out of thin air. Now if they lose this money creating out of thin air thingy, the people will no longer be enslaved.

All of China's actions show they are fighting the status quo and not being part of them.

Explain?

No paper money does not mean no currency control will take place, in fact it is more probable that it will lead to more control because it could easily lead to card systems. Where else do you see where China is fighting the status quo? It seems more reasonable that China is being set up to be the next main power the agenga will move to after the US. I also find it improbable that a ritual like the Olympics would be held there if no involvement. Its all a bit 1936for me.

[gorana]

Ok, first of all, Vendetta-Woman is RIGHT! We are all victims of our lazyness, we are to poor, without power and at least to egocentric to change ANYTHING or EVERYTHING!
To be honest, if we get the power and earn good cash and i am talking about incomes of several million euros a year we accept the situation how it is and swim with the fishes. We get cought by the NWO system and don't work against them, because we are simply addicted to them. If we not follow we gonna loose all the nice money, so why should we dirt up our hands then? Because I HAVE a good life!
We are only in the situation to talk and to talk and talk. blah blah blah, we never are be able to change anything. If you think i lost the race, yes i did, like we all did.
I am personally doomed anyway, but thats another story. The last things i can do in my life is, to protect my children as good as i can, as long as i can. I hope very long but who knows, i am not god.

Well some how i still really hope about a big awakening, and i am not talking about the end of the world!

D. said in his last video i saw: When you are doing things, don't do what is good for you at this moment, but do what is right. (very free quote)...

Many just do what's good for them at the moment and still knowing that it is wrong at long run.

G.

[shenoma]

Whatever feels right for you to study. I am only a mere storyteller from now. You must do it on your own and this is my own message board I post what I find:

http://pasht.proboards32.com/index.cgi

Do you have any links/ sources of information you would reccomend?

[samson]

I want to win!

Of course i do.

But i see a group of individuals who are fighting their own fight. It is simmilar to when 10 (100?1000?) small countries try to fight against big country (USA? Russia? China?) at same moment.

All of them alone cannot win on their own. They have to unite, they have to fight it together, at same moment, against same target, to stretch their ressources...

Thats what i'm trying to say in my post. We have to unite and fight together, we have to communicate facts to other people. And we should not fight each other...

G.


What I learned is that right now is the phase where most are still straightening out their own act, me included, and only when they are ready as individuals will they eventually be grouped together by the Spirit to work as a collective. Each group will have their own specific task that will help create a new order. One where the heart and our true mind are the foundation.

This grouping together of individuals takes first place on the level of the spirit and later on on the level of the physical body.

Based on the little I know, I would say that it is not necessery to go around and 'force' this grouping together as the individuals we are grouped together with will enter our lives without effort. So from where I stand, there is nothing to worry about as it appears everything is in the very capable hands of the Spirit. :)

[jayelowell]

learn more...
study more...
love more...
eat correctly...
drink correctly...
exercise you mind & body more...
LOVE MORE!!!

study & learn the "Grand Unified Theory"

[frankanne]

There was a protest rally on July 4th in London. It was publicised on utube. There will be another on September 2nd if anybody is interested. Details can be found on this site
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueJkT_4NUo4

Thanks for organising this Izzy. I shall be there with a big banner promoting

'PEACEFUL CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE'.

There's no way the NWO can happen or even exist if enough of us peacefully DISOBEY the NWO.

Simple.

[frankanne]

So, explain to me why then China is the only country in the world who wants to get rid of paper money? Money/debt is THE way the elite control us.

China recently said they wanted to get rid of the floating currencies and return to the gold standard.

The elite lcan exercise control because of this paper money which they create out of thin air. Now if they lose this money creating out of thin air thingy, the people will no longer be enslaved.

All of China's actions show they are fighting the status quo and not being part of them.

Explain?

A cashless society is a definite NWO agenda. What better way to control a population than for them not to be able to buy anything without the chip, be that chip in a card or inside our bodies?

In Britain now, we have the oyster card for travel. At the moment we can use cash, tickets or oyster card. Same as buying things in shops we can use cash or card. Soon there will be no cash, only chip in card or in people's bodies.

That's the agenda. That's why we need massive peaceful civil DISOBEDIENCE.

[kblood]

The way I see it, the NWO is becomming more and more obvious, and the ones behind the NWO are at well. As it is now, it still isnt easy to figure out exactly who the people in the top of the pyramid is. But since it is a pyramid, it means that a few people are at the top, and if they were removed from the top the NWO would likely begin to crumple.

The biggest problem is, what is the real top of the pyramid and how do we know it isnt just another smokescreen with other people or beings even higher in the hierarchy? Still it seems to me that the pyramid in the case of the NWO is upside down, which makes it rather unstable. Even if we it isnt upside down, the we are becomming more and more a part of the foundation of their pyramid, and with some organisations and finding more and more proof, it should only be a matter of time before it can all be exposed without anyone being able to come up with counter evidence.

[dondaz]

Great 'curl up in a ball and die' thread!

Progressive defeatism!

[jayelowell]

if remember watching a video where david says if you are protesting you are still part of the system! ill link it as soon as i find it!

[branjo]

Im all for peace n stuff when the time calls for it, but what if we are meant to fight and kill those who stand in our way, what if it comes down to being shot at by brainwashed troops who would rather die than disobey orders, what do you do?

Are you going to to just lie down and take it, sure your spiritual self will enter a nice and peaceful realm but the next time you return to the physical it will be in true bondage much more than you have ever known or imagined.

I will at first I will just say "no" as much as I can but I am prepared to take it to any desired level, and i will give as good as I get. You see the NWO wants you to be peaceful they don't give a shit how many of you stand still and say we want this or we want that, they will just drive through you like you weren't even there.

If we are to rid ourselves of this vermin we must be prepared to do it physically and with a great amount of violence, the up side is that as long as we are prepared to go that far they might see this and back down and we don't have to resort to violent behavior but we won't be taken seriously in any way shape or form unless we are prepared to go all the way.

You see we are not trying to change a law or public opinion, that's what protesting marches are all about. We are trying to eradicate the scum from the top levels in our governments so the rest of the people can live in peace and safety. It would be nice if say the Royal Marines and the SAS said hey good for you guys we will back you up for a better world. But I seriously doubt that will happen...lol.

Hope for peace but be fully prepared to fight for every inch.

[jayelowell]

he said it during his talk at BRIXTON ACADEMY "watch this talk before you rally"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3889267722613677476&ei=wcupSL3RMZv0qgKA4vGjBQ&q=david+icke&hl=en

[jayelowell]

NWO doesnt want you to be peaceful they want you to kill/kill/kill so you can do their work for them & kill each other off!!! i am not saying i am a saint & dont get down with the goons but thats only because i have to! i live in a city where the death rate is sky high & we have to arm ourselves to survive! now tell me are you ready to die? did you feel like you have learned enough about what it is you need know? in america the police dont give a flying fuck about anything they will fuck you up! a peace rally will just raise bad energy!!
i repeat...
the only way to win...
learn more...
study more...
love more...
eat correctly...
drink correctly...
exercise you mind & body more...
LOVE MORE!!!

study & learn the "Grand Unified Theory"
and teach more...

[agelnessdotcom]

NWO doesnt want you to be peaceful they want you to kill/kill/kill so you can do their work for them & kill each other off!!! i am not saying i am a saint & dont get down with the goons but thats only because i have to! i live in a city where the death rate is sky high & we have to arm ourselves to survive! now tell me are you ready to die? did you feel like you have learned enough about what it is you need know? in america the police dont give a flying fuck about anything they will fuck you up! a peace rally will just raise bad energy!!
i repeat...
the only way to win...

and teach more...

Simply DO NOT PARTICIPATE in their MIND games!

[supertzar]

This is a terrible post. Speak for yourself. Any one of us could change the world forever.

If you want to acknowledge the superior mindset of the Illuminati and analyze their practices for our own benefit, that is a different story. I hope that is more of what you are going for.

[agelnessdotcom]

The biggest mistake mankind ever did was to start focusing on the OUTSIDE instead of the INSIDE! Anything out there is an illusion that the Illuminati have created another illusion within. That's always how they work and "excuse" themselves. They take what's already there and enhance or manipulate it, including your own mind!

[w1nstonsm1th84]

The biggest mistake mankind ever did was to start focusing on the OUTSIDE instead of the INSIDE!

So true. :-/

[shenoma]

I am fighting them where it hurts the most, on the other side where it's just me and them. They don't control every level of creation, they are only using and doing what was created from the start. This entire game is about your self.

Im all for peace n stuff when the time calls for it, but what if we are meant to fight and kill those who stand in our way, what if it comes down to being shot at by brainwashed troops who would rather die than disobey orders, what do you do?

Are you going to to just lie down and take it, sure your spiritual self will enter a nice and peaceful realm but the next time you return to the physical it will be in true bondage much more than you have ever known or imagined.

I will at first I will just say "no" as much as I can but I am prepared to take it to any desired level, and i will give as good as I get. You see the NWO wants you to be peaceful they don't give a shit how many of you stand still and say we want this or we want that, they will just drive through you like you weren't even there.

If we are to rid ourselves of this vermin we must be prepared to do it physically and with a great amount of violence, the up side is that as long as we are prepared to go that far they might see this and back down and we don't have to resort to violent behavior but we won't be taken seriously in any way shape or form unless we are prepared to go all the way.

You see we are not trying to change a law or public opinion, that's what protesting marches are all about. We are trying to eradicate the scum from the top levels in our governments so the rest of the people can live in peace and safety. It would be nice if say the Royal Marines and the SAS said hey good for you guys we will back you up for a better world. But I seriously doubt that will happen...lol.

Hope for peace but be fully prepared to fight for every inch.

[branjo]

I am fighting them where it hurts the most, on the other side where it's just me and them. They don't control every level of creation, they are only using and doing what was created from the start. This entire game is about your self.

So what is you are doing again?

[jayelowell]

The biggest mistake mankind ever did was to start focusing on the OUTSIDE instead of the INSIDE! i think the futher inside you look the futher outside you can see & vise verse! you have to focus on both!

[branjo]

Yeah I read that on a fortune cookie too. When will these little riddles actually join up and attempt a stab at a solution?

If this is the general opinion of what is considered "fighting back" then the original poster is quite correct, We are fucking doomed..lol.

[h2pogo]

good points raised in this thread.
we do need to orgonise.
I am the most un orgonised person i know.
are there any orgonised people out there that can give us some tips or ideas.
I think we should all become freemen/women and unite.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=464629&posted=1#post464629

[agelnessdotcom]

i think the futher inside you look the futher outside you can see & vise verse! you have to focus on both!

Well, basically I don't think we should be here at all... :-) It's kind of like a glitch in God-Mind thinking that created physical reality. The only reason we're here is that we don't take responsibility for our minds, so we need to go back to a "baby stage" in order to understand that our thoughts create things, here with a "time" delay factor and sometimes manifestations also in other realities that we're not consciously aware about, but still affects us.

[delamo1999]

Learn about your self and do what makes your life better to begin and end with. Then, learn about energy of the human body, earth, and cosmos. The evil people have misused it all.

It's time we learn the art of high level power of true magic. I know that is a scary word to some and a joke to others. The elite use it but they don't know everything. It's time we counter act all the low level energy and remove the blockage that surrounds this planet. People use to live for 100's of years, and there are humans that are much older then what you think.

Everyone is a beautiful source of energy and we are all one. To that end if we truly want peace, we must push and work for it because the other side is doing everything they can not too. Go and do the research your self.

Love in all.

Well said. Thanks for sharing this. I too believe that humans have the capacity to live much longer than the 80 or so years that most of us have been conditioned to believe.

:)

[jayelowell]

Well, basically I don't think we should be here at all... :-) It's kind of like a glitch in God-Mind thinking that created physical reality. The only reason we're here is that we don't take responsibility for our minds, so we need to go back to a "baby stage" in order to understand that our thoughts create things, here with a "time" delay factor and sometimes manifestations also in other realities that we're not consciously aware about, but still affects us.fair to say

[dondaz]

if remember watching a video where david says if you are protesting you are still part of the system! ill link it as soon as i find it!

Yeah, I remember that. I have a pic of it somewhere.

"If you're fighting the system, you're still in it!"

Become a Freeman on the Land and you won't be in the system!

[americana]

It kind of hit me over the weekend . . .

I was on a train going back to New York.

We came to a complete stop at a station.

Minutes went by.

Then we had an announcement. Maybe the next train would pick us up, or maybe another train would be added to pick us up, or maybe other plans would be made.

An hour and a half went by.

(I said to some guys near me, It's like the Donner Party. :D People getting ticked off, yakking on their cell phones . . . We were close to acts of cannibalism.)

Finally we were picked up.

It's been made obvious to me from this and other train trips (Like one time when a bridge was frozen and the conductors were talking about it over the air, not knowing that everyone could hear) that THEY have no friggin' CLUE what they are doing.

Ipso facto - - -

Yes, I realize that it's not being terribly insightful or historically aware if we completely write off all these "FEMA Camps" in the U.S.

But I swear to God, if "THEY" can pull off shipping people there, I'll EAT MY SHIRT!!!

There may be "masterminds" behind it all, but the plans must be carried off by normal people, normal, incompetent, pissed-off, underpaid, don't-ask-me-to-think-I-only-work-here people.

Thus, it's also best that "we", the "good guys" have a plan.

But at the same time, to remember that the ones who are carrying things out are FALLIBLE - -to the MAX.

Lots of love,
americana