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analog
16-08-2008, 05:01 PM
Clearly we have a bad Governmental system in the United Kingdom, any idea on what kind of system we should have?.
cruise4
17-08-2008, 04:31 AM
Yes.
axcunningxstunt
20-08-2008, 09:31 PM
One where the people have more of a say in what the Government does with are country.
At least to allow us to vote on things that will have a drastic change on our society.
kingmonkey
20-08-2008, 09:52 PM
We should have a system based on socialism where the community at large decides what to do with the goods and profit generated by our labour. There should be limits put on the wealth that one individual, family or organization can have as to curb the power and influence they inevitably gain and subsequently use for selfish purposes instead of for the good of the people.
Along with this there should be strong guidelines on earth friendly industry and agriculture.
voynich
28-08-2008, 07:57 PM
I agree socialism is a fairer system for the mass of the people.
krakhead
28-08-2008, 08:03 PM
Proportional Representation? If only as a fairer representation of what us 'masses' are actually thinking?
And I also tend to find myself thinking from within a Socialist mindset - not perfect but IMO better.
kingmonkey
28-08-2008, 08:14 PM
No system's perfect but a flawed one beats out and out chaos.
Constitutional Republic like America used to be.
By far one of the best forms of government i have came across. Politicians are always going to screw us over regardless of what government we have, so some things need to be made clear that they can't be touched with.
hashmcgandy
28-08-2008, 09:11 PM
Proportional Representation? If only as a fairer representation of what us 'masses' are actually thinking?
And I also tend to find myself thinking from within a Socialist mindset - not perfect but IMO better.
I am in agreement, with this addendum - no political party should be permitted to be funded by business with the timely reminder that ALL politicians are OUR servants.
cruise4
29-08-2008, 02:01 PM
Constitutional Republic, socialism, Proportional Representation, by our labour...
Not exactly making much progress on the Hegelian Dialectic mindset within Politics are we?
There are good solutions and bad solutions. That's it!
kingmonkey
29-08-2008, 02:17 PM
Constitutional Republic, socialism, Proportional Representation, by our labour...
Not exactly making much progress on the Hegelian Dialectic mindset within Politics are we?
There are good solutions and bad solutions. That's it!
So your good solution would be?
apekteina lordosis
29-08-2008, 02:22 PM
i reckon an online government. people get to vote on all issues and
the role of the mp is to provide impartial advice on the pro and con
of voting yay or nay to their constituents.
as for the type that online gov would be i'd plump for collectivism.
cruise4
29-08-2008, 02:30 PM
So your good solution would be?
Not worth bothering with, UNTIL people in numbers realise an 'economy' is an illusion. What I mean is there is a programmed mindset in operation that ensures adepts cling to old, but erroneous thoughts. Or to put it another way... slaves that wish only to rebuild a better slavepen.
duckingdafta
29-08-2008, 02:36 PM
maximum term for any government be made 2 years and every other year only UNDER 18's vote...so changes match the times.
godspeed
01-09-2008, 06:15 PM
self government...
disorder2k8
01-09-2008, 06:17 PM
Add police to that list of servants.
scandal girl
01-09-2008, 06:32 PM
why does anybody actually needs a government ?
apekteina lordosis
01-09-2008, 07:52 PM
why does anybody actually needs a government ?
i believe some form of government is needed to keep us all united. perhaps
some sort of automated global system which everyone inputs and outputs with via some sort of internet type thingy would do. the idea of individual self perpetuating communes dotted all about the planet is a nice thought but i can't see the means to emigrate off earth and out into space being developed this way.
kingmonkey
01-09-2008, 08:02 PM
Small groups have less need for government than large ones. If we reverted back to tribes and small communities we wouldn't need to be governed by outsiders. But as it stands, with the amounts of people all living on top of each other in cities, some kind of system is vital. Unless there was some kind of mass conscoiusness shift that came along with the breakdown of the existing system, which I can't see happening in the near future.
apekteina lordosis
03-09-2008, 05:54 PM
the biggest stumbling block is affecting an orderly and safe transition
from what we have now to... well what exactly? different ideas have
been presented in this thread and other people out there perhaps
have considered alternative ways of doing things, but they all have
their differences.
perhaps it would be better to agree on an absolute basic list of
fundalmental rights for everyone living and this planet. like shelter,
utilities, sewerage, food and medicine... and not have to pay for
these things. with a basic list agreed on globally we could set about
planning to make the changes to bring them about.
couldn't happen overnight it wouldn't be safe and many people wouldn't
like their cushy lives fucked over, so it would have to be change over a
few generations.
yeah i know doubt it will happen but imagine, hey...
betty_swallocks
05-09-2008, 07:40 AM
The system is already in place. We don't need this overblown, overfunded government.
I wish I knew how we could maintain the status quo, but the reality seems to be that, unfortunately, in order to justify their salary the 'government' needs to change shit up a bit, which makes sh/people feel like everything is proceeding according to their best interetsts.
Like how bollock obama will be the next 'most powerful man in the world' (the western capitalist propagandised medicated world that it is), but will actually do nowt different from baby bush, except maybe say, "ok 16 year old redneck, you can have an abortion."
The same "I believe in the puppet on the right." vs "the puppet on the left really represents my views." mentality exists over here. Brown is seen as somehow different to his predecessor Bliar, however Cameron is no different to Blair.
They all piss in the same pot and even if the liberal pinkos got in, the agenda would not change, it may take longer but it is still just delaying the inevitable.
We need to organise the 'awakened' (or whatever you wish to call it) into a coherent group.
We will not win the war by disussing hypotheticals in internet fora ( if you think it's forums, you can suck my cōleī).
We can all drop out and refuse to vote, but what we really need is a party worth voting for.
disclaimer: some ideas may be inspired by great thinkers, e.g. Bill Hicks, various reggae singers et al