Read this about forums and truth-seekers

[edro9494]

http://iamthewitness.com/by_Hufschmid11Oct2005.htm

[teslafire]

Hufschmid is aligned with Daryl Bradford Smith who has accused everyone you can possibly name (not that that's invalid on its appearance) of being disinfo zionist shills...shortly after he went on coast to coast. :rolleyes:

Sometimes people just want ratings, reptile brain and all.

[edro9494]

so what he went on coast to coast am to talk about his website and tell people about 9/11 and the deceivers in truth movements?

DBS and Eric were on CNN and defamed and slandered as saying all jews did 9/11 when they make it clear it was zionists.

one would think people OTHER THAN MODERATORS would reply against me. ESPECIALLY NOT AFTER 15 MINUTES THAT THE THREAD HAS BEEN UP.

further, its obvious this guy didnt even read the entire link which is long and time consuming because i just posted it about 10-15 minutes ago.

how about you moderators prove wrong what is IN THE MESSAGE. disprove Eric's logic and reasoning in the link! you guys relying on ad hominem attacks to discourage people from taking the link seriously does not any longer sufficiently discourage people. Your panic and apprehension is clearer than glass.

finally, dont take anything i say at face-value, go and analyze what i say based on its logic and reasoning.

The deceivers will never encourage you to think for yourself and thus this is the biggest give away of them.

[john white]

The deceivers will never encourage you to think for yourself and thus this is the biggest give away of them

Well that's Icke in the clear then!

[lumukanda]

well, it's always been my opinion that it's up to the person accusing to prove himself, not the other way around, by all means, compile a list of simulated conversations on this forum, give us real reasons that you believe that certain people are disinfo agents, and i'll seriously look into it.
i don't doubt for a second that this happens, but to come in here guns blazing without anything to back it up, well, i find it hard to take it seriously.

[teslafire]

so what he went on coast to coast am to talk about his website and tell people about 9/11 and the deceivers in truth movements?

Uh, C2C is notorious as a disinfo outlet, kinda like 'War of the Worlds' propaganda 24/7. Or are Hufschmid and Smith on board with Exopolitics now?

DBS and Eric were on CNN and defamed and slandered as saying all jews did 9/11 when they make it clear it was zionists.

You say that like its surprising; its CNN.

one would think people OTHER THAN MODERATORS would reply against me. ESPECIALLY NOT AFTER 15 MINUTES THAT THE THREAD HAS BEEN UP.

further, its obvious this guy didnt even read the entire link which is long and time consuming because i just posted it about 10-15 minutes ago.

Meh, I've read that shit everytime someone feels like dominating a forum and baselessly accusing everyone of being a disinfo blah blah blah.

Information stands up on its own, bring forth the information you think is being censored and talk about it directly.

how about you moderators prove wrong what is IN THE MESSAGE. disprove Eric's logic and reasoning in the link! you guys relying on ad hominem attacks to discourage people from taking the link seriously does not any longer sufficiently discourage people. Your panic and apprehension is clearer than glass.

Oh wow, we just mirrored each other.

Anyways, Hufschmid IS spot on about alot of stuff...Alex Jones IMO is not to be trusted...but Hufschmid is not by any stretch original in propagating this idea.

finally, dont take anything i say at face-value, go and analyze what i say based on its logic and reasoning.

The deceivers will never encourage you to think for yourself and thus this is the biggest give away of them.

Agreed.

[3ill]

In the words of John Lennon:


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Peace,
3'LL

[i am all i am]

The deceivers will never encourage you to think for yourself and thus this is the biggest give away of them.

Heading....."Read this about forums and truth-seekers"

You are obviously telling people what to do with this heading, and therefore, you are not encouraging people to think for themselves, for you are telling them what to do.

Would this be the "biggest give away" of you ???

Does it then also mean that you are a deceiver ???

If this is so, would that then mean that you are promoting dis-info and are therefore a dis-info agent ???


With LOVE. http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/621/peaceyf8.gif

[earthseed]

The new movement is very interesting. Anyone who opens their mouth is them. Some of them may be but some aren't. It's a good way to just flush everyone away and stay safe.

[edro9494]

look, let me set the record straight here.

I find it intriguing that even being on a forum such as this one, assuming people here are familiar with Icke's works, the amount of stonewalling and destroying debate occurs with such frequency by users.

I've noticed recently that it tends to be junior or senior members along with moderators that want to shut down any discussion that is seemingly "taboo." Now, do i have empirical data that shows its mainly moderators and jr/sr members? No, i dont.

Now consider that people such Andreas Von Beaulow have mentioned that the vast majority of Intelligence Agency work is Mis- or Dis-information. Many researchers have talked about how people are paid to get on forums and discourage or mislead people down the wrong path purposely. Any user could operate under any number of usernames or aliases and nobody could decipher who they really are.

It is almost doubly shocking to hear people cry and flinch in response to people who make accusations or talk about unpopular ideas in this David Icke forum considering Icke talks about some of the most taboo subjects. The responses are akin to something you would expect to hear from people who knew nothing of conspiracy material and/or topics. So, I wonder how many people here actually read the icke books etc. Those that do not, why are they here? How and why did they decide to come to this forum and try to comment on topics that they know little to zero about? How do people who have never heard of David Icke end up in this forum?

I am trying to make people aware that there are perhaps vast amounts of people here to make sure certain topics are talked about and some are not. There is much to gain by controlling and altering what things people talk about and are aware of. David Icke may in fact be a very trustworthy person. yet it is not he that is calling the shots and deciding what people will and will not talk about. It is difficult to fathom moderators here that act contradictory to info found in davids books then turn around and accuse you of the very thing in which they are found to hypocritical of.

When you are a researcher like Icke or anyone else, you will find people popping up out of the woodwork offering to help you. Some of these people have the intention to sabotage and corrupt the info and work you are doing. This could have been the situation with this very website. Some guy could offer to "help" david with the site and forum whereas he is really on assignment to sabotage the researcher and corrupt the exchange of ideas on the website.

Again the powers we learn about and discuss infiltrate organizations, secret societies, social and political movements, and even schools. So why would they not attempt to infiltrate and corrupt forums and conspiracy "movements" such as the 9/11 Truth Movement? They would do this to do damage control about what people are able to learn about the cover-up. They promote their own people like actors or radio hosts to "expose" the coverup when what they are really doing is telling 80-90% of the truth while shifting blame to others (Bush Cheney Rumsfeld) so that the real powers never get exposed. Like david says, they fund and control every side of an issue or debate so they can manipulate the outcome. So wouldn't this conspiracy crowd and even 9/11 Truth movement be controlled to some extent. yes, because the criminals benefit from covering their trails and setting up their fall-men.

You cannot come to truths without the part of the devil's advocate. Truth is only arrived at when you have questioned and investigated every possibility.

So if there are paid disinformants here how could we tell? One way is to look at how many posts they average per day or month. Most people will have maybe somewhere between 50-100 per month. This is an average of 2-3 posts per day, everyday, over the course of thirty days. This is assuming that this forum is a hobby of theirs. So I asked the question yesterday, how do some members have join-dates from 3 months ago and have somewhere around 1200-1300 posts so far? Do they ever sleep or work, or do they get paid to jabber on this forum?

The idea that there are disinformants on forums is not radical, especially from an alleged fan base that reads about mind control, corruption, and manipulation in some detail. So why are people trying to ridicule the idea and change the subject?????????? Who benefits from doing so? If it really is ridiculous to talk about then why are people freaking out about the topic? Why do so many people make sarcastic comments to discourage and prevent serious inquiry if it is indeed harmless and absent of substance?

Im not asking or demanding anyone to adhere to or believe what i say at face value. I am asking you all to use your logic and reasoning skills to find out what has been pulled over your eyes.

The disinfo agents are counting on people to not do their own searches when they ridicule or attack an idea. They use emotional manipulation to prevent you from searching for facts. You can spot them by looking at the evidence of an issue. Do they refuse to consider some ideas that have evidence? And more importantly, ask yourselves "what evidence are they providing to legitimately discredit this notion." More than not, they arent providing any evidence or reasoning at all, just defamatory comments and ridicule. this is because they know humans have a tendency to follow the herd and not think for themselves. and this is how they can even control an educated audience such as the Icke fans. Through fear, ridicule, and condemnation. You should all know that from the icke material.

Another giveaway for disinformants are people that say they have read the books yet through what they write it is clear they have not read the icke books. Such as these people who use ridicule and condemnation. Would you suspect an Ickean student to be someone who ridicules ideas after supposedly reading his books???? How could any notion or idea be any more ridiculous than Reptilian humanoids running the planet? Most people here will accept or consider the notion but when I mention forum infiltrators and disinfo agents you would think Galileo just questioned the Catholic Church by the responses you read.

I ask you all to read and consider the link below. if you do not accept it, so be it. atleast give it some thought and consideration. some of you might learn something new that isnt spoonfed to you from Mr. Icke.
http://iamthewitness.com/by_Hufschmid11Oct2005.htm

and heres something on alex jones http://iamthewitness.com/Alex-Jones-summary.html

[teslafire]

Good post.

[geo2]

:rolleyes: the 11th Oct 2005 thing/post/site goes on n on n gives mucho good info but NOTICE HOW THE AUTHOR WANTS U TO THINK THAT THERE WERE PLANES AT 911/SOAP AND THAT HOLOGRAMS MUST BE DISMISSED???????mmmmmmm

Think, THINK,think, and re-think

[john white]

look, let me set the record straight here.

I find it intriguing that even being on a forum such as this one, assuming people here are familiar with Icke's works, the amount of stonewalling and destroying debate occurs with such frequency by users.

I've noticed recently that it tends to be junior or senior members along with moderators that want to shut down any discussion that is seemingly "taboo." Now, do i have empirical data that shows its mainly moderators and jr/sr members? No, i dont.

Now consider that people such Andreas Von Beaulow have mentioned that the vast majority of Intelligence Agency work is Mis- or Dis-information. Many researchers have talked about how people are paid to get on forums and discourage or mislead people down the wrong path purposely. Any user could operate under any number of usernames or aliases and nobody could decipher who they really are.

It is almost doubly shocking to hear people cry and flinch in response to people who make accusations or talk about unpopular ideas in this David Icke forum considering Icke talks about some of the most taboo subjects. The responses are akin to something you would expect to hear from people who knew nothing of conspiracy material and/or topics. So, I wonder how many people here actually read the icke books etc. Those that do not, why are they here? How and why did they decide to come to this forum and try to comment on topics that they know little to zero about? How do people who have never heard of David Icke end up in this forum?

I am trying to make people aware that there are perhaps vast amounts of people here to make sure certain topics are talked about and some are not. There is much to gain by controlling and altering what things people talk about and are aware of. David Icke may in fact be a very trustworthy person. yet it is not he that is calling the shots and deciding what people will and will not talk about. It is difficult to fathom moderators here that act contradictory to info found in davids books then turn around and accuse you of the very thing in which they are found to hypocritical of.

When you are a researcher like Icke or anyone else, you will find people popping up out of the woodwork offering to help you. Some of these people have the intention to sabotage and corrupt the info and work you are doing. This could have been the situation with this very website. Some guy could offer to "help" david with the site and forum whereas he is really on assignment to sabotage the researcher and corrupt the exchange of ideas on the website.

Again the powers we learn about and discuss infiltrate organizations, secret societies, social and political movements, and even schools. So why would they not attempt to infiltrate and corrupt forums and conspiracy "movements" such as the 9/11 Truth Movement? They would do this to do damage control about what people are able to learn about the cover-up. They promote their own people like actors or radio hosts to "expose" the coverup when what they are really doing is telling 80-90% of the truth while shifting blame to others (Bush Cheney Rumsfeld) so that the real powers never get exposed. Like david says, they fund and control every side of an issue or debate so they can manipulate the outcome. So wouldn't this conspiracy crowd and even 9/11 Truth movement be controlled to some extent. yes, because the criminals benefit from covering their trails and setting up their fall-men.

You cannot come to truths without the part of the devil's advocate. Truth is only arrived at when you have questioned and investigated every possibility.

So if there are paid disinformants here how could we tell? One way is to look at how many posts they average per day or month. Most people will have maybe somewhere between 50-100 per month. This is an average of 2-3 posts per day, everyday, over the course of thirty days. This is assuming that this forum is a hobby of theirs. So I asked the question yesterday, how do some members have join-dates from 3 months ago and have somewhere around 1200-1300 posts so far? Do they ever sleep or work, or do they get paid to jabber on this forum?

The idea that there are disinformants on forums is not radical, especially from an alleged fan base that reads about mind control, corruption, and manipulation in some detail. So why are people trying to ridicule the idea and change the subject?????????? Who benefits from doing so? If it really is ridiculous to talk about then why are people freaking out about the topic? Why do so many people make sarcastic comments to discourage and prevent serious inquiry if it is indeed harmless and absent of substance?

Im not asking or demanding anyone to adhere to or believe what i say at face value. I am asking you all to use your logic and reasoning skills to find out what has been pulled over your eyes.

The disinfo agents are counting on people to not do their own searches when they ridicule or attack an idea. They use emotional manipulation to prevent you from searching for facts. You can spot them by looking at the evidence of an issue. Do they refuse to consider some ideas that have evidence? And more importantly, ask yourselves "what evidence are they providing to legitimately discredit this notion." More than not, they arent providing any evidence or reasoning at all, just defamatory comments and ridicule. this is because they know humans have a tendency to follow the herd and not think for themselves. and this is how they can even control an educated audience such as the Icke fans. Through fear, ridicule, and condemnation. You should all know that from the icke material.

Another giveaway for disinformants are people that say they have read the books yet through what they write it is clear they have not read the icke books. Such as these people who use ridicule and condemnation. Would you suspect an Ickean student to be someone who ridicules ideas after supposedly reading his books???? How could any notion or idea be any more ridiculous than Reptilian humanoids running the planet? Most people here will accept or consider the notion but when I mention forum infiltrators and disinfo agents you would think Galileo just questioned the Catholic Church by the responses you read.

I ask you all to read and consider the link below. if you do not accept it, so be it. atleast give it some thought and consideration. some of you might learn something new that isnt spoonfed to you from Mr. Icke.
http://iamthewitness.com/by_Hufschmid11Oct2005.htm

and heres something on alex jones http://iamthewitness.com/Alex-Jones-summary.html

Superficially there's some good points here, but ultimately I've never foudn them to stand up

Lets take, for example, the supposition that therre are many agents of misdirection on the net, aiming to stop people talking about certain areas. OK, fine, what would be a better way of doing that then putting out exaggerated claims about how many agents there are? To make people feel that if they express themselves, their words might "get back to them" and they would then be known about? See how that works? Any position that anyone has on and subject can be interpreted as part of a misdirection agenda

Take this "number of posts argument": that again is practically pernicous: its suggesting that the more active members of any forum are practically defacto agents

Don't make more than your allocated number of web posts citizen!

(could one really make this up)

Conspiracy forums in particular are hotbeds of rampant paranoia: I know better than most becuase I'm admin of two and mod of one. its my observation that we are all better at misdirecting ourselves than any agents could ever be

does that mean they arn't here? Well no, there may well be: but NO-ONE can stop us talking about what we want to talk about: those who know me know that well enough: we can only stop oursleves

Yes, it really is a choice between fear and love

I'm not against this topic in anyway btw (though my opinon of DBS is right low): I'm just having my say on it, becuase I can: its what forums are for

[edro9494]

the ultimate disinfo is that the people running the world is the NWO, Illuminati, Globalist, german death cult, etc, etc.

the people running the world have names and addresses. They are the Zionists. The Rothschilds are the main umbrella, they had the original monetary funds to put the plan into motion.

How does this Ashkenazi Zionist clan not even account for 1-2% of the world's population yet show up in positions of influence and power in virtually every industry?

[3ill]

the ultimate disinfo is that the people running the world is the NWO, Illuminati, Globalist, german death cult, etc, etc.

the people running the world have names and addresses. They are the Zionists. The Rothschilds are the main umbrella, they had the original monetary funds to put the plan into motion.

How does this Ashkenazi Zionist clan not even account for 1-2% of the world's population yet show up in positions of influence and power in virtually every industry?

Hmmmmmmm..... not touching it..........