Emergency Plan?

[lovelatious]

first time for writing, so please be gentle with me... My social circle doesn't include people who I feel able to discuss this with...

After reading from several sources about the US' plan to attack Iran in August, and now the ball beginning to roll, I'm feeling the need to escape!
I'm in Manchester, UK and wondered if I'm being overly paranoid about getting my stockpile together and thinking seriously about survival, and an emergency plan - in fact, thinking of running to the hills! The US' latest crazy moves combined with the Pandemic / vaccinations threat are making me think I just wanna go somewhere else, (i.e. countryside, foreign country), whereever that may be?

I know that I should be looking within, but at the minute I'm feeling the need to take action!

[cleft_asunder]

Typical reptilian brain reaction. I know a doctor who lives close to me, and you should see how much stuff he has just shipped to Romania. He has put in his resignation and by December he will move there. He is moving because of all the stuff that is happening, such as the economy. This guy has an insanely large ego, and he is constantly focused on survival. Communism messed him up a bit because he's so paranoid. He's just go so much surival stuff, it's ridiculous. And that's how it is with our brain, we feel we NEED this and that, and then we think about how other people will have it if we don't buy it. It's all very selfish.

See, the way I see it is that yeah, we should save up food and water and some other useful things, but where do you draw the line? The reptilian brain's hunger is insaciable. These days, the way I look at it is that the ultimate survival tool is your faith that God is on your side, and that you will make it. Also, it is vitally important not to be scared of death. The fear of something empowers that which you're afraid of. You can make it through anything like that.

If you want to move, move. The UK sucks any way. I'm in the states, and it's a hell of a lot better than in the UK. I like to, ya know, be able to defend myself and not go to jail for it. I don't know where to go. Personally, I will stay here in nevada and maybe eventually go to arizona where a lot of Hopi indians are.

[emanuel]

first time for writing, so please be gentle with me... My social circle doesn't include people who I feel able to discuss this with...

After reading from several sources about the US' plan to attack Iran in August, and now the ball beginning to roll, I'm feeling the need to escape!
I'm in Manchester, UK and wondered if I'm being overly paranoid about getting my stockpile together and thinking seriously about survival, and an emergency plan - in fact, thinking of running to the hills! The US' latest crazy moves combined with the Pandemic / vaccinations threat are making me think I just wanna go somewhere else, (i.e. countryside, foreign country), whereever that may be?

I know that I should be looking within, but at the minute I'm feeling the need to take action!

Yeah that's the initial reaction I refer to as panic. Kinda makes you abandon rational thought for a few moments. Thing is you have nowhere to run that you wouldn't be found. They aren't that dumb! The physical is the least of our problems.

Welcome to the forum by the way!

[void]

first time for writing, so please be gentle with me... My social circle doesn't include people who I feel able to discuss this with...After reading from several sources about the US' plan to attack Iran in August, and now the ball beginning to roll, I'm feeling the need to escape! I'm in Manchester, UK and wondered if I'm being overly paranoid about getting my stockpile together and thinking seriously about survival, and an emergency plan - in fact, thinking of running to the hills! The US' latest crazy moves combined with the Pandemic / vaccinations threat are making me think I just wanna go somewhere else, (i.e. countryside, foreign country), whereever that may be? I know that I should be looking within, but at the minute I'm feeling the need to take action!

Going away myself soon, but not for those reasons. If you want to take that pre-emptive route of getting out of the country (and part of the world, which would be advisable) then the practicalities need to be taken into account. First awkward thing is that many countries from Turkey eastward are pretty strict on how long you can stay in them, and the visa issue becomes an issue eventually. Places like India are incredibly liberal though in giving you 6 months entry for only 30 quid, which (unless things have changed) you can get a new one again in surrounding countrys as it nears its expiry. But you can even get a full year visa. And it's pretty damn corrupt at its official level in that you can get away with anything there if you slip some money into the pockets of police. But that is changing a 'little' bit now.

Living there (food, accomodation) though is incredibly cheap and easy to manage in the long term even with little money. I lived there for nearly a year once,and some people do literally go there to dissapear and start a new life. Virtually anything is possible in India, it will amaze you. Due to its size and sheer number of people and equally large areas of mountains and forests, you could get unplugged there. It's the sheer cheapness of living there (even well) which makes it a favourite for people who have wanted to get away from it all and largely become anonymous.

Latin America is a better option for really getting off the radar though and even managing to live a new pioneer kind of life if you have the cash to make people look the other way (very easy in several parts of Latin American which are corrupt to the core). There are various reasons why all sorts of dodgy characters have escaped to that region in history. You really can dissapear in that place given its vast size,terrains, and general lack of the kind of big brother situation you'd find elsewhere. Space is plentiful, and food is very cheap to get or easy to grow yourself. I've met some pretty bizzare characters in Latin America including one old Belgian guy in the Bolivian Amazon who was living there and you could sense his situation was a bit weird. But again, "dont ask and everything is fine".

Border controls of many of the nations there don't use the networked border technology like other nations either, from my experience of them. You simply turn up and get a 90 day stamp in them at a simple one hut border (sometimes consisting of merely a rope, amusingly). Everything done with pens, with records being kept in big old ledgers rather than onto a world wide system like elsewhere. Even then, it's easy to use fake details. I've seen people get up to that kind of thing in places like Nepal, taking advantage of the laziness of some officials who often leave 'you' to fill out the various records (meaning, you can put whatever you like down) as matching is rare.

Once that 90 days is nearing its end, you simply cross the border into the next country (which also gives you 90 days) for 5 minutes and then come back into the one you just left, for a new stamp of 90 days. This can go on and on and on. At least, that was the case 11 years ago especially in the Andean nations. Basically, anywhere off the network that is linked to our nations. The more money you have of course, the more locals are willing to entertain your ideas of - "Don't ask questions and everybody is happy" and leave you well alone and not inform on you.

After all, several high level Nazis managed it for most of their lives until Mossad found them. Myself, I'll likely not be taking such radical options but will always consider it should things get really nasty here. If all that sounds a bit too radical a change, then NZ will give you a 5 month entry. Politically pretty neutral, and generally off the target for potential reprisals I'd say, on the issue of what might happen if Iran is attacked. Of course, getting there will cost you an arm and a leg though. But the major thing is that it's plugged right into the network and it would not be easy to survive there off the official system which makes it difficult for you to work without being all properly plugged in.

[mightiswrong]

Good info void. I am also thinking about moving but really coz it is no fun here in London and I have got very, very little money. The traffic keeps sinking on my sites and so does the dollar and the income from clicks on the google ads. :(
That said I am thinking of going to Spain and spending some time camping in this kind of anarchist community place. This could be an option for you in the short or long term also. Ultimately I think setting up a kin's domain in a community of good people is the best option reducing dependence on the system but first I have to choose a place to set up a kin's domain. Uk probably not.

[cleft_asunder]

Going away myself soon, but not for those reasons. If you want to take that pre-emptive route of getting out of the country (and part of the world, which would be advisable) then the practicalities need to be taken into account. First awkward thing is that many countries from Turkey eastward are pretty strict on how long you can stay in them, and the visa issue becomes an issue eventually. Places like India are incredibly liberal though in giving you 6 months entry for only 30 quid, which (unless things have changed) you can get a new one again in surrounding countrys as it nears its expiry. But you can even get a full year visa. And it's pretty damn corrupt at its official level in that you can get away with anything there if you slip some money into the pockets of police. But that is changing a 'little' bit now.

Living there (food, accomodation) though is incredibly cheap and easy to manage in the long term even with little money. I lived there for nearly a year once,and some people do literally go there to dissapear and start a new life. Virtually anything is possible in India, it will amaze you. Due to its size and sheer number of people and equally large areas of mountains and forests, you could get unplugged there. It's the sheer cheapness of living there (even well) which makes it a favourite for people who have wanted to get away from it all and largely become anonymous.

Latin America is a better option for really getting off the radar though and even managing to live a new pioneer kind of life if you have the cash to make people look the other way (very easy in several parts of Latin American which are corrupt to the core). There are various reasons why all sorts of dodgy characters have escaped to that region in history. You really can dissapear in that place given its vast size,terrains, and general lack of the kind of big brother situation you'd find elsewhere. Space is plentiful, and food is very cheap to get or easy to grow yourself. I've met some pretty bizzare characters in Latin America including one old Belgian guy in the Bolivian Amazon who was living there and you could sense his situation was a bit weird. But again, "dont ask and everything is fine".

Border controls of many of the nations there don't use the networked border technology like other nations either, from my experience of them. You simply turn up and get a 90 day stamp in them at a simple one hut border (sometimes consisting of merely a rope, amusingly). Everything done with pens, with records being kept in big old ledgers rather than onto a world wide system like elsewhere. Even then, it's easy to use fake details. I've seen people get up to that kind of thing in places like Nepal, taking advantage of the laziness of some officials who often leave 'you' to fill out the various records (meaning, you can put whatever you like down) as matching is rare.

Once that 90 days is nearing its end, you simply cross the border into the next country (which also gives you 90 days) for 5 minutes and then come back into the one you just left, for a new stamp of 90 days. This can go on and on and on. At least, that was the case 11 years ago especially in the Andean nations. Basically, anywhere off the network that is linked to our nations. The more money you have of course, the more locals are willing to entertain your ideas of - "Don't ask questions and everybody is happy" and leave you well alone and not inform on you.

After all, several high level Nazis managed it for most of their lives until Mossad found them. Myself, I'll likely not be taking such radical options but will always consider it should things get really nasty here. If all that sounds a bit too radical a change, then NZ will give you a 5 month entry. Politically pretty neutral, and generally off the target for potential reprisals I'd say, on the issue of what might happen if Iran is attacked. Of course, getting there will cost you an arm and a leg though. But the major thing is that it's plugged right into the network and it would not be easy to survive there off the official system which makes it difficult for you to work without being all properly plugged in.

If you're going to NZ, you might as well consider the cook islands too. The main island is Roratonga, and there is an island there called surovow which is uninhabbited. Well, there is a caretaker family there, but still.

[ninorc]

The UK sucks any way. I'm in the states, and it's a hell of a lot better than in the UK. I like to, ya know, be able to defend myself and not go to jail for it.WTF? Are you saying that the UK sucks because we have stringent gun laws? From where I'm sitting - in the UK - what sucks most about our country is that the politicians are too eager to take orders from insane Americans.

[synergy777]

bro, first fear is a natural reaction. but try to understand your fear, the reasons behind it. these reasons will not dissppear due to geographic location.

you must, we all must, stand our ground and meet this potentially challenging time, with courage, compassion and calm intelligence.

we will prevail, if we WANT to.

[synergy777]

people need to get the blitz spirit, the " in the trenches " spirit, as we need to toughen up.

people are too soft/docile due to the lifestyle/comfort we have, the elite have fattened us up, before they sacrifice us.

look at the elders, the ww1 and ww2 survivors etc, they have courage, manners etc,

what do we have? we are ill mannered, cowardly, etc

we need to improve fast.

[loderlive]

Typical reptilian brain reaction.

If the reptilian is to run, then mine is to embrace.

[monkfish]

Typical reptilian brain reaction. I know a doctor who lives close to me, and you should see how much stuff he has just shipped to Romania. He has put in his resignation and by December he will move there. He is moving because of all the stuff that is happening, such as the economy. This guy has an insanely large ego, and he is constantly focused on survival. Communism messed him up a bit because he's so paranoid. He's just go so much surival stuff, it's ridiculous. And that's how it is with our brain, we feel we NEED this and that, and then we think about how other people will have it if we don't buy it. It's all very selfish.

See, the way I see it is that yeah, we should save up food and water and some other useful things, but where do you draw the line? The reptilian brain's hunger is insaciable. These days, the way I look at it is that the ultimate survival tool is your faith that God is on your side, and that you will make it. Also, it is vitally important not to be scared of death. The fear of something empowers that which you're afraid of. You can make it through anything like that.

If you want to move, move. The UK sucks any way. I'm in the states, and it's a hell of a lot better than in the UK. I like to, ya know, be able to defend myself and not go to jail for it. I don't know where to go. Personally, I will stay here in nevada and maybe eventually go to arizona where a lot of Hopi indians are.

Yeah,let's all go to wonderfull America,live in harmony with a wonderfull leader,drinking wonderfully fresh tap water while getting shot at and spend the day at disney land with a bunch of massive kids with mickey mouse hats.
Not having a go bud,but you really should look at what you are saying.
Has Fox news become so scripted that they have you believe this?

[schettini]

I live in an island on the Caribbean, Puerto Rico, and if nuclear bombs start launching around the world we would be pretty same here (I hope). The problem is that we depend so much on our "Daddy USA". So if USA goes down most people here will go crazy. But anyway, if you like the Caribbean sea then I welcome you my brother.

[frankanne]

There's been some really good and insightful posts on this thread.

My belief is that we cannot run anywhere really. The agenda is to enclose the whole planet, so all those pockets of freedom will eventually be controlled - like some massive fishing net being thrown around the whole planet and there's no escape - physically that is.

That's why I see it more on a spiritual, emotional level, more than physical.

Like Winstone says, I can see friends and neighbours fighting, killing, over a loaf of bread.

Sorry if that scenario is scarey to some people, but I think it is important that we are prepared for this, rather than suddenly have it hit us out of the blue, which it will do to so many people. That's why it's important to understand what the agenda is, how people might react, and to think about HOW WOULD WE, I, REACT?

Yes, we need to toughen up to be prepared and to realise that physical death is not something to be afraid of. There's something far more important at stake. Would we betray a friend if it meant that we would be treated OK by the 'elite'? Would we be so shocked and paniced that we couldn't think straight?

I know, actually KNOW that there will be a paradise earth, a place beyond our imaginings, where we live in peace and love and excitement and vibrancy and come into our own, using all of our brain, discovering gifts we didn't know we had, such as telepathy, healing, reguvenation, totally amazing stuff. I know that's coming. And I know that it will come after the great tribulations - biblical stuff I know, but I do believe this earth must go through some terrible stuff before we get to paradise.

It's that vision of paradise that will see us through the stuff that's coming.

I don't go along with those who say that we shouldn't even THINK about the bad stuff coming, because then we will bring it to realiity.

It is my belief that if we are not prepared and if we have not asked ourselves some uncomfortable questions and tried to find our own answers, then we will be so shocked and traumatised, that we won't be able to cope.

Like being thrown in at the deep end and expected to swim, when we've never even put our toe in the water before.

We must get into the water and learn to swim, before the flood - figuratively speaking that is.

[lovelatious]

thanks for all the gems, definitely lots to work on there!
As the mother to my 22 month old son, (and have often dreamed about emigrating anway) I'm thinking about worse case scenario, looking after my boy and trying to be prepared if it really hits the fan

I understand that we should unite - but if ships are on the way to Iran, is it not too late?
Although I really don't want to leave my family and friends, I'm wondering when would be the sign to know that it's time to go, before chaos erupts?

[void]

I can see friends and neighbours fighting, killing, over a loaf of bread.

Very possible. The thin crust of so called civility that our nations seem to pride themselves on while tut tutting at footage of what are called 'stampedes' by our press during moments of crises in other places, will likely vanish very quickly when it becomes an issue of food. Especially as the culture here has become very individual family in recent years, like an isolated pod that looks after number one and snarls at anyone who gets too close. Although, with a certain age group here in Britain I think less of that would be seen. Those in their 40s upwards would be more of the old school. It is those below the age of say 30 who are going to be the ones less likely to share and probably resort to "me, myself, and I". After all, they have been conditioned more in that way through media and culture since the starts of the 80s. Even then, I wouldn't say this as a sweeping thing. When at extremes, people will often come together and look after each other. History shows that times of utter chaos can sometimes bring out the 'best' in people, whcih was dormant under the safe ordered and 'plenty' times. I think of homeless children in even some developed nations, who know that to survive they 'must' cooperate and share sooner or later. Safety in numbers, so to speak. Initially in such a scenario it may go to the other extreme in panic, but eventually people would realise that coming together is the only way. But, there are wild dogs living amongst us even now in our so called civil societys. We see them up to things all the time already, so god knows what they'll be like and be prepared to do if the shite hits the fan.

[grenadene]

Well I for one am staying exactly where I am... with my pot of blue war paint to hand .. just in case! Look out for me if i decide to streak wimbledon next year :D!

[frankanne]

Thanks Winstone.

[cruise4]

"WTF? Are you saying that the UK sucks because we have stringent gun laws? From where I'm sitting - in the UK - what sucks most about our country is that the politicians are too eager to take orders from insane Americans."

I think it's the other way round. The UK is a major rat's nest. All these 'City States' are, the vatican, City of London etc.