How would you judge?

[oiram]

I know we never get asked; always sitting on the receiving end; but I like to hear your personal judgment!

Hypothetical: If victims of Sociopaths and there system start to declare personal war against Sociopaths and starting to eliminate them by the bundles!

How would you judge being a non Sociopaths?

Anything logic; I missed being written in the scriptures?

For me the one-sided still illogical part stating; love your enemy sounds like a typical Lucifer Sociopaths add-on to the Book to protect there sorry asses!

My logic tells me it makes no sense to use the Sociopaths self created laws they are using to create the Victims in the first place!

I like to clarify this in my mind by asking you all; please I like to get your honest opinion on this!

Maybe it's only me, but I can not feel sorry for any Sociopaths if they die but I get real pissed when Innocent people get used, killed and victimised by the Sociopaths agenda!

Question: Would it be Self defence; or killing the way the Sociopaths and the System puts it in there self created wars; or would it be Murder!!

[rossus]

if you ask me,
the reason why it says in the bible to "love your enemy"...
is because if you do not hate anything, and do not fear anything...

then your heart remains pure, and you feel the inner unconditional loving happiness...
that could be called "the tao", "the self" or in christian terms "god".

also,
people who are under the spell of fear or hate often do unwise things.

compared to people who do not hate or fear, they have a mind less clear...
and therefor they're worse at judging what might be the better thing to do.



i make it my spiritual practice to love everyone and everything,
and when a sociopath cannot or does not want to stop hurting other people...

then it might be the better thing to "remove" the person from this world,
so that he does not create any more victims.

if people choose to hate sociopaths, then i respect that.
but hate to me seems like a very toxic energy...
it clouds the pure light of god. (or "life")

it costs way more energy to hate someone than to love someone,
because hate is an activity we can "do"...

if we stop hating, fearing, desiring or resisting...
then the natural state we are in is that of unconditional loving happiness...




i think that people can not love unconditionally.

they can only stop resisting life, stop resisting the inescapable...
and when do that, then slowly the unhappiness goes away...

and the unconditional loving happiness that is god, reappears into one's life.

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[oiram]

if you ask me,
the reason why it says in the bible to "love your enemy"...
is because if you do not hate anything, and do not fear anything...

then your heart remains pure, and you feel the inner unconditional loving happiness...
that could be called "the tao", "the self" or in christian terms "god".

also,
people who are under the spell of fear or hate often do unwise things.

compared to people who do not hate or fear, they have a mind less clear...
and therefor they're worse at judging what might be the better thing to do.

i make it my spiritual practice to love everyone and everything,
and when a sociopath cannot or does not want to stop hurting other people...

then it might be the better thing to "remove" the person from this world,
so that he does not create any more victims.

if people choose to hate sociopaths, then i respect that.
but hate to me seems like a very toxic energy...
it clouds the pure light of god. (or "life")

it costs way more energy to hate someone than to love someone,
because hate is an activity we can "do"...

if we stop hating, fearing, desiring or resisting...
then the natural state we are in is that of unconditional loving happiness...

i think that people can not love unconditionally.

they can only stop resisting life, stop resisting the inescapable...
and when do that, then slowly the unhappiness goes away...

and the unconditional loving happiness that is god, reappears into one's life.

Nothing wrong with your statement!

I am still stucked!
My life is driven by logic and inactivity's never ever in my live solved any of my problems and who likes to get nailed to the cross except Jesus and then saying forgive these barbaric idiots?

Which would mean; we should love all Governments, Bush and his organisation full of sociopaths murdering the innocent for profit!

No something does not compute in my brain; I must got my logic from another Creator!

That's where my logic tells me again most of the good Book people use as guidance was manipulated by exactly the same sociopaths running the show now! This should be fixed!

But the point with sociopaths is they get there power from the light & love and inactivity's of others to strengthen there operation and position!

Hate yes is the most destructive item for any Human! Still it gets created by others!
Again Hate & fear is not natural & gets systematically created by these sociopaths and there organisations!
I believe there is one type of Hate which is even more dangerous & distractive; which is when you Hate your self for what you are doing and this must be resident in EVERY sociopaths is permanent and incurable! Just look at Bush and Co.!

I like to find a logical solution which of cause needs an action like removing a bad apple from the uninfected ones!
To keep looking at the Apple to get more & more rotten ending up infecting all others is not the solution and in-fact I become part of the destruction by knowing and watching it happen; so my excuse is I show love and compassion for the rotten Apple so I can be happy and don't dirty my hands and therefore find it not necessary to make an effort to protect the uninfected ones!

The source of the problem got to be judged and removed not the resulting action of the effected ones!

Decision time will come soon and it will be a hard decision for every individual and then again who will be the judge; of cause usually other sociopaths that's where it is all wrong in my view!
If normal logic people are the judge I would never worry about my action I may take in my live!

But what is the whole point you do nothing wrong they kill you slowly, you do good they kill you with there egoistic system; you do bad they kill you or if you lucky and done very bad they promote you to be a part of there system!

Maybe this was the real Jesus message better dead then serving & living with these self serving sociopaths!

This world is a very lonely sick nut-house!

Many people must feel lonely like your Jesus did and then he joint God!
Yes a Very logical thing to do and the sociopaths got there way???
No wonder they proceed as planned & laughing there buts off!

[oiram]

You may ask and what am I doing about it?

Ok for starters I never in my live and never will vote for any of these sociopaths because I need them like a hole in the head!
I deliberately stopped working so I don’t give the Governments one cent income tax only using it to create weapons & to murder others.
I try to live on 5$ to 10$ a day to minimize my Tax contribution knowing everything is taxed 10 times over and filling the bankers & corrupt Governments pockets!
I use my skills now to help others for nothing; sometimes not always people appreciate my help and I end up with a free meal!
I stopped driving a car just sold my motorbike, I am on foot now! Not using blood stained fuel anymore!
Start using natural products; not buying stuff in any big stores anymore!
Better to help the small shop-owner supporting there family also I believe the chemical contense is reduced in the products they produce freshly made every day!
Yes I’m a stupid nobody right! Maybe but not for me; let’s hope many millions of nobodies world wide join the party!
I hope not but should I get sick I will use the public Hospital and not a special over priced money sucking private doctor!
One more thing I have to do get rid of my House buy some gold place it in a plastic bag hidden in the ground!
Not much effect right! But good for me sitting on the beach telling people who like to know that I am a free individual not working for any sick sociopaths or corrupt Government anymore!
Did you ever have the luxury to go to sleep when you like get up when you like not answering to any boss but your self and all this for 5$ to 10$ a day?
Yes everyone can do it if you have the power over your self & your materialistic desirers.

[mcthompson2x]

I think we are supposed to love our enemies because the idea of an enemy is just an illusion anyway - if we are all part of the same thing, then the only way to get better/smarter is to stop hurting each other, not to kill off those who disagree with us. There are a lot of sociopaths in the world, yes, but we must also realize that those sociopaths were bred and programmed in many cases and that they were victims of horrific abuse and torment that literally short-circuited their minds. We can only transmute lead to gold with love. If we go around killing those who have killed us, then we only keep the karmic cycle in repetition. Our mission is to find a new way. The old way can't work anymore. Just my two cents though!

[zero1]

I know we never get asked; always sitting on the receiving end; but I like to hear your personal judgment!

Hypothetical: If victims of Sociopaths and there system start to declare personal war against Sociopaths and starting to eliminate them by the bundles!

How would you judge being a non Sociopaths?

Anything logic; I missed being written in the scriptures?

For me the one-sided still illogical part stating; love your enemy sounds like a typical Lucifer Sociopaths add-on to the Book to protect there sorry asses!

My logic tells me it makes no sense to use the Sociopaths self created laws they are using to create the Victims in the first place!

I like to clarify this in my mind by asking you all; please I like to get your honest opinion on this!

Maybe it's only me, but I can not feel sorry for any Sociopaths if they die but I get real pissed when Innocent people get used, killed and victimised by the Sociopaths agenda!

Question: Would it be Self defence; or killing the way the Sociopaths and the System puts it in there self created wars; or would it be Murder!!

The system is rigged so that the right to Kill is retained by the executors of the State; the state being not only The State as in Government, but more importantly the State as in the existential state of humanity and the world - which is seperation from the divine/God (fallen state) and physical reality: thus, the State is a code-word amongst higher esotericists for atheistic materialism primarily, and a socio-political construct second.

Thus, if you oppose atheistic materialism on ideological or other grounds, the system is configured in such a way that you are automatically in opposition to reality as presented to you, and so are recognized as an ENEMY OF THE STATE. That's what that phrase really means, on every level and sense.

I emboldened your "Lucifer sociopaths" part. Dearie me, that poor little Roman god of the Morning Star sure did end up with a bad reputation, didn't he? I think we need to get the Anti-Defamation League to clear his name...erm...all that Satan business is well weird to him, I'm sure.

Anyway, bumping off the Hidden Powers of this world is always an option - certainly the one I would take. But alas, it is not my decision. And one must plunder their secrets before any radical action is taken against them - after all, no stone can be left unturned and there can be no surprises for when the deed is done.

We can kill our tyranical lords and axe our paymasters @ the drop of a hat, but we cannot afford to lose the knowlege that empowers them - because that knowlege will be preserved for our usage.

[cruise4]

"The old way can't work anymore."

What 'old way'? You mean fighting for psychopaths unknowingly so that when the fighting is over the psychopaths are still in control? That 'old way'?

The people have 'never' been in control.

The 'new way' is remove all psychopaths, screen for them in future and actually get the people in charge.... for the first time! This time we DO know the enemy, more or less.

Not so sure sociopath and psychopath are as interchangeable as people believe.

[resistance]

The system is rigged so that the right to Kill is retained by the executors of the State; the state being not only The State as in Government, but more importantly the State as in the existential state of humanity and the world - which is seperation from the divine/God (fallen state) and physical reality: thus, the State is a code-word amongst higher esotericists for atheistic materialism primarily, and a socio-political construct second.

Thus, if you oppose atheistic materialism on ideological or other grounds, the system is configured in such a way that you are automatically in opposition to reality as presented to you, and so are recognized as an ENEMY OF THE STATE. That's what that phrase really means, on every level and sense.

I emboldened your "Lucifer sociopaths" part. Dearie me, that poor little Roman god of the Morning Star sure did end up with a bad reputation, didn't he? I think we need to get the Anti-Defamation League to clear his name...erm...all that Satan business is well weird to him, I'm sure.

Anyway, bumping off the Hidden Powers of this world is always an option - certainly the one I would take. But alas, it is not my decision. And one must plunder their secrets before any radical action is taken against them - after all, no stone can be left unturned and there can be no surprises for when the deed is done.

We can kill our tyranical lords and axe our paymasters @ the drop of a hat, but we cannot afford to lose the knowlege that empowers them - because that knowlege will be presevered for our usage.

Dam, i wish i could explain things as well as that;)

[zero1]

Dam, i wish i could explain things as well as that;)

Thank you, I try. :)

[mcthompson2x]

"The old way can't work anymore."

What 'old way'? You mean fighting for psychopaths unknowingly so that when the fighting is over the psychopaths are still in control? That 'old way'?

The people have 'never' been in control.

The 'new way' is remove all psychopaths, screen for them in future and actually get the people in charge.... for the first time! This time we DO know the enemy, more or less.

Not so sure sociopath and psychopath are as interchangeable as people believe.

Well, I personally think barbarism is always barbarism, no matter what force is behind the action. We need to coexist or we won't exist. After all, where do you start and where do you stop when it comes to sociopaths? Most people in our society are sociopathic to somewhat large degrees, and they need to learn why the behavior doesn't accomplish anything instead of being executed by a righteous mob.

Just my opinion though!

[resistance]

Oiram, i agree with you, the whole dam deck is stacked in their favour, yet we are told to love our enemies. Loving your enemy sounds all very noble, but that should depend on whether the enemy is willing to show you the same level of humanity and passion while playing under the same set of rules...

[cruise4]

I have seen a figure of 4% for psychopaths within a society on average and all that's happened so far is they have been taught barbarism and their behaviour does pay, because that's their stock in trade, not ours and so they get away with it.

Somehow, someway we need to take these people down and euthanasia in this case would be a kindness, to them and us.

What other way is there? There's hundreds of thousands dead already.

[mcthompson2x]

There is always a way that doesn't involve killing or destruction. You suggest euthanising those who perceive reality differently than you - even if their reality threatens yours - but it makes you no better than they are. Who are you to judge? They are evil, yes, and the universe will take care of them. As long as you know how to control the vast amount of power that you already have within you - the power of the mind (and it's a lot more than the power of thought) - then they can't hurt you. You relegate yourself to their level of reality when you reproduce their actions. They are in bondage with hell for the things that they do - the reason does not matter, it is the action that matters.

There is a way to defeat them without killing them. They must be taught how powerless they truly are, and by comparison how powerful the rest of us have always been without knowing it. Waking up means realizing that we are unstoppable and protected, no matter what! Those of us who are asleep may be picked off as our awareness is minimal. The real answer is realizing the power that we have always had. Sounds mystical but I can't put it into any clearer terms than that. Imagination is a weapon - literally! Make sure your own weapons aren't turned against you. Make sure that a desire for vengeance and violence does not eat away at the light within you.

[resistance]

There is always a way that doesn't involve killing or destruction. You suggest euthanising those who perceive reality differently than you - even if their reality threatens yours - but it makes you no better than they are. Who are you to judge? They are evil, yes, and the universe will take care of them. As long as you know how to control the vast amount of power that you already have within you - the power of the mind (and it's a lot more than the power of thought) - then they can't hurt you. You relegate yourself to their level of reality when you reproduce their actions. They are in bondage with hell for the things that they do - the reason does not matter, it is the action that matters.

There is a way to defeat them without killing them. They must be taught how powerless they truly are, and by comparison how powerful the rest of us have always been without knowing it. Waking up means realizing that we are unstoppable and protected, no matter what! Those of us who are asleep may be picked off as our awareness is minimal. The real answer is realizing the power that we have always had. Sounds mystical but I can't put it into any clearer terms than that. Imagination is a weapon - literally! Make sure your own weapons aren't turned against you. Make sure that a desire for vengeance and violence does not eat away at the light within you.

You know what, with all due respect i'm getting tired of hearing this conditioned passive bullshit. I want peace, but that doesn't mean letting the wicked walk all over us to achieve it! is that peace? no that is slavery.

[zero1]

There is always a way that doesn't involve killing or destruction. You suggest euthanising those who perceive reality differently than you - even if their reality threatens yours - but it makes you no better than they are. Who are you to judge? They are evil, yes, and the universe will take care of them. As long as you know how to control the vast amount of power that you already have within you - the power of the mind (and it's a lot more than the power of thought) - then they can't hurt you. You relegate yourself to their level of reality when you reproduce their actions. They are in bondage with hell for the things that they do - the reason does not matter, it is the action that matters.

There is a way to defeat them without killing them. They must be taught how powerless they truly are, and by comparison how powerful the rest of us have always been without knowing it. Waking up means realizing that we are unstoppable and protected, no matter what! Those of us who are asleep may be picked off as our awareness is minimal. The real answer is realizing the power that we have always had. Sounds mystical but I can't put it into any clearer terms than that. Imagination is a weapon - literally! Make sure your own weapons aren't turned against you. Make sure that a desire for vengeance and violence does not eat away at the light within you.

Good post.

The emboldened last part is the most difficult for me personally, by far.

But I shall keep looking out from the darkness to see that light, and hope on.

[nimlyn]

It is not for me to judge…I’m just the Soul Stamper…One for Devil…One for God…Hum! Not sure what to do with the left over one though?...Ack! Needs a skeptic bin now…:D

[frankanne]

[QUOTE=oiram;453378

I like to find a logical solution which of cause needs an action like removing a bad apple from the uninfected ones!
To keep looking at the Apple to get more & more rotten ending up infecting all others is not the solution and in-fact I become part of the destruction by knowing and watching it happen; so my excuse is I show love and compassion for the rotten Apple so I can be happy and don't dirty my hands and therefore find it not necessary to make an effort to protect the uninfected ones!

The source of the problem got to be judged and removed not the resulting action of the effected ones!

QUOTE]

oiram, your point here is spot on. I watched a video of Alex Collier yesterday. He spoke about his contact with aliens. He more or less said that us humans have stood by watching our own species be treated so badly, that we have even betrayed our own species. He said no other races anywhere in the galaxy would watch others of their own race die of starvation, yet us humans do.

And why? Because, as you say, we don't want to get our hands dirty by dealing with injustice in a just way.

I think you are right about us being programmed to be so passive to be just 'bystanders'. We always think, - 'someone else will deal with it', and that's why we are in the state we are in.

Thank you for your thoughtful and challenging post.