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james777
29-04-2007, 06:43 PM
DISCLOSURE_"WE ARE NOT ALONE"

On May 9th, 2001, Dr. Steven Greer held a press conference in Washington, D.C. for the specific purpose of bringing forward many key witnesses that substantiated ALIEN CONTACT, and that the government has been involved in a major cover-up for a long time. These witnesses were credible in the extreme - and began the process of TOTAL DISCLOSURE OF THE ENTIRE UFO ENIGMA. This process has actually been years in the process, and is part of the MATRIX OF THE EVOLUTIONARY CONSPIRACY.
1. The introduction of Science Fiction books and materials that actually began soon after World War II. These books constantly brought forward the
concept of ALIEN BEINGS from other worlds and deep space exploration.
2. The KENNETH ARNOLD sightings in Washington State of "flying wings" which he claimed "skipped like saucers over water" introduced the public to the REALITY OF "FLYING SAUCERS" and the possibility of ALIEN VISITATION FROM OTHER PLANETS.
3. THE ROSWELL INCIDENT, and the recovery of a so called "flying saucer" and ALIEN BODIES that were recovered and immediately a cover story was issued and the entire operation hushed up and classified as TOP SECRET.
4. UFO sightings appear all over America and the world, with the Government conducting studies such as "SIGN", "GRUDGE" and "BLUE BOOK". The Government disclaims the UFO sightings and mocks the general public. Charges of a COVER-UP are made by private UFO INVESTIGATORS.
5. The introduction of science fiction MOVIES, almost all of which introduced ALIEN BEINGS from Mars or elsewhere in the universe who were visiting earth and attacking us. They also brought fourth the concept of THE BAD, or EVIL ALIEN, and then in the movie "THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL", the concept of the GOOD ALIEN, and the need for a UNITED, PEACEFUL MANKIND UNDER THE UNITED NATIONS was introduced.
6. Television series such as MY FAVORITE MARTIAN, and LOST IN SPACE and others began to appear and were very popular with Americans. These shows ran for a number of years, and indoctrinated the people to the concept that we are NOT ALONE AT ALL, that the universe is filled with planets and aliens of all types and sizes. Meanwhile, UFO SIGHTINGS continue all over the world. Charges of government cover-up grow as UFO researchers begin to probe government files.
7. Science Fiction writers made fortunes as their popularity grew, and then the BLOCKBUSTER MOVIES, such as STAR WARS, STAR TREK, CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, and others were introduced using the latest film technologies and special effects to make their shows totally realistic - implanting the concept of EVOLUTION and many ALIEN BEINGS DEEPER INTO THE MIND.
8. Strange government documents surface called MAJIC TWELVE which set off a fire storm of controversy - the documents state that the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT had recovered ALIEN SAUCERS and both LIVE and DEAD ALIENS, and was conducting classified black operations and backwards engineering projects to get and use the alien technology for defense purposes.
9. John Lear and Bob Lazar appear on the scene during this time period and claim knowledge of TOP SECRET GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS DEALING WITH ALIENS AND BACKWARDS ENGINEERING PROJECTS, claims that will later be verified in the book THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL.
10. Television DOCUMENTARIES, purporting to be based upon SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE began to appear probing the ALIEN QUESTION, and major scientists such as Carl Sagan were brought forward to substantiate the concept that there are "BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS" of stars and that LIFE ELSEWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE IS A CERTAINTY, BASED UPON SCIENTIFIC PRINCIPLES. As each planetary system is different, and therefore the EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS WILL BE DIFFERENT, there would be a MULTITUDE OF LIFE FORMS.
11. The introduction BY NASA of the "Rock from Mars" with possible life forms embedded within it was an immediate hit, with all major networks and even President Clinton leading the way in a nationally televised press conference - substantiating by "scientific proof" that there is other life elsewhere - and therefore the PROCESS OF EVOLUTION IS AT WORK ALL OVER THE UNIVERSE.
12. The book "THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL" is published which says that ALIENS WERE REAL, were RECOVERED, and that the ALIEN TECHNOLOGY was "seeded" by the Government with major corporations.
13. Dr. Steven Greer and others begin to probe the UFO ENIGMA and make plans to DISCLOSE TO THE PUBLIC the TRUTH BEHIND THE UFO MYSTERY, bringing forward all types of witnesses that will prove ONCE AND FOR ALL, that the United States Government has been involved in a MASSIVE COVER-UP, and that ALIEN CONTACT IS A FACT, that BACKWARDS ENGINEERING OF THEIR TECHNOLOGY IS A FACT, and that CONTACT HAS BEEN MADE.
14. The movie "CONTACT" is made and introduces the concept of INTERDEMENSIONAL TRAVEL, ALIENS and ALIEN TECHNOLOGY along with LIFE AFTER DEATH to multitudes who flocked to see it. The young girl who later grows up and heads up a SETI OPERATION (played by Jodi Foster) lost her father early in life, and through a machine made from ALIEN BLUEPRINTS, travels through time, space and different dimensions to meet her father again- combining SCIENCE, ALIEN TECHNOLOGY, INTERDEMENSIONAL TRAVEL AND SPIRITUAL "AFTERLIFE". It is a very popular movie. It deals in FAITH, and "BELIEVING". It is one of the first films to bring about THE SYNTHESIS.
15. Books start to appear and are very popular concerning the SEEDING OF THE HUMAN RACE BY "STAR GODS", who came to earth long ago and via genetic manipulation and DNA CHANGES, took EARLY EVOLUTIONARY MAN and made him into what he is today. This concept begins the process of MERGING EVOLUTION with CREATION, to form a CREATION/EVOLUTION MATRIX, with the SPACE GODS our actual masters and creators. This concept is then applied to the Holy Bible and the Genesis creation story. The God of the Bible is "recreated" into a STAR GOD, a very advanced race of beings that travel through the universe. These concepts are put forward on popular radio late night shows and advanced in many quarters - the beginning of a SYNTHESIS of SCIENCE, RELIGION and SPIRITUALITY. Of course, the Bible states something radically different, and the God of the Bible is the God who claims He created time, space, energy, matter, soul, spirit, life and all that there is, which would include any lessor beings that roam the universe in their starships.
16. The Bible story of the FALLEN ANGELS of Genesis Six is changed with the charge of "MISTRANSLATION", and that these are not really FALLEN ANGELS, but rather, they are "THOSE THAT FROM HEAVEN CAME DOWN", and the concept of STAR BEINGS THAT LANDED ON EARTH is promoted as the actual truth of the matter, and the CONCEPT OF "FALLEN ANGELS" IS DISCARDED AS BEING "FANCIFUL FICTION" and an OLD WIVES TALE. There is no such thing as FALLEN ANGELS or FALLEN ENTITIES. The SONS OF GOD of GENESIS SIX were star beings who simply visited earth, mated with ancient HOMINOIDS and produced what the Bible calls ADAM AND EVE. Therefore, the Bible, The Book of Enoch, Josephus and others are terribly mistaken, for their claims of fallen angels are simply wrong.
17. The process of RETRANSLATION of the Bible in this crucial area of CREATION vs. EVOLUTION, of UNFALLEN vs. FALLEN gains momentum with a host of books published from different sources, most of whom are NEW AGE in their orientation. Not mentioned in any of these papers, books, TV Specials, movies etc., is the fact that Bible prophecy itself said that as mankind's probation began to close, there would be a massive rejection of the real truth of Scripture, and that it would come via "retranslation", that is, the turning away from the real truth and the embracement of the lie.
The video production "GATEWAY TO HELL" investigated the UFO enigma at great length, and produced a tremendous amount of documentation to show how the UFO quagmire would eventually lead mankind to reject Scripture via outright rejection or retranslation, and shows how the severe tension between EVOLUTION and CREATION causes this rejection. The human heart has seen and heard enough negative news, and therefore will often reject more negative news and embrace anything that appears POSITIVE, or GOOD. Because evolution, as presently taught, bring mankind to ever increasing GOODNESS, with a brilliant and golden future, that is what the vast majority of people will embrace. CREATION, on the other hand, is basically negative, which claims a very real fall, and a resultant decadence of the human race into total chaos - and ultimate destruction. Because of this very negative portrayal of the human future, most people reject it out of hand. It is in their nature to do so.

The Bible claims that this rejection leads mankind into a very subtle trap, a trap that is so clever and appears to be so true that mankind cannot help but embrace it - and embrace it they have - for almost all of the UFO investigators have concluded EXACTLY WHAT BIBLE PROPHECY SAYS THEY WOULD CONCLUDE - and gives warning that those conclusions are FALSE, they are a DECEPTION, and they are a DELUSION. This delusion centers around the CREATION vs. EVOLUTION debate - and the alien question is right in the middle of it.
Science, so-called, has established, via cosmology and astronomy, that there are in fact BILLIONS OF GALAXIES, each with billions of stars, and many of them with planetary systems. Thus, common sense and logic would dictate, and confirmed by the famous DRAKE EQUATION, that there are, there MUST BE millions of other civilizations out there - and perhaps we can make scientific contact with them. Thus CETI was born and financed for a short time by the U.S. Government - now privately funded and known as PHOENIX. An interesting NASA film was made concerning SETI and the very real and expensive program to make contact. This entire NASA film is included in the GATEWAY TO HELL video documentary. It is an extremely interesting government film that shows the total and complete embracement of EVOLUTION and the total rejection of the Bible claim to CREATION.


The Book PHOENIX RISING, by Mary Summer Rain is an important and popular book in which an Indian lady called "No-Eyes" has visions and dreams of the future, and she advances the concept of ALIENS and EVOLUTION as the real truth, and that the Bible concept of the CREATION OF ADAM AND EVE OUT OF THE HAND OF THE MOST HIGH GOD IS FALSE, A LIE, A MYTH, and that the ALIENS are GOING TO "COME MORE AND MORE, AND SHOW THEMSELVES", and that the story of CREATION is going to be PROVED TOTALLY WRONG. She claims that the world is going to become very angry at the CHURCH, and will MOCK THE CHURCH, and will SAY TO THE CHURCH, "what about FIRST MAN and FIRST WOMAN"? She claims the ALIENS will PROVE that the story of CREATION IS A MYTH, A LIE, A TOTAL DISTORTION OF THE REAL FACTS, and those facts will be proved by the ALIENS THEMSELVES.
18. The concept of SATAN, FALLEN ANGELS and DEMONS is REJECTED, and those promoting DISCLOSURE begin to lay the groundwork that anyone who claims THE ALIENS ARE DEMONIC FORCES FROM SATAN is to be silenced - and that those objecting are simply CLINGING TO THEIR "OLD BELIEF STRUCTURES" and they need to be "cleansed" from the planet. The concept of a "purification" and "cleansing" of planet earth gains ground in many scientific areas - that we are entering into another "GOLDEN AGE OF THE GODS", where mankind will ONCE AGAIN walk with, and talk with, and be aided by the ANCIENT MASTERS OF WISDOM, THE ALIENS, OUR CREATOR GODS. Those that refuse will be killed because they cannot enter into the NEW GOLDEN AGE.
19. With the investigation of Tithonia City by Project RedStar, which found an alien base on Mars, complete with ancient and modern buildings - and all of them clearly visible, the stakes in this game went considerably higher - for now we have incontrovertible proof of extraterrestrial intelligence - and the structures at Tithonia verify a multitude of ancient writings as well as Genesis, Ezekiel and Revelation - that there was indeed earthly visitations in our ancient history - visitations by entities that declared that came from the stars - and taught mankind many things. We have never had absolute proof of extraterrestrial life before - but the PROJECT REDSTAR team proves it, proves it beyond any shadow of a doubt, and confirms ancient writings as being literal and real, and not mythology.
If all of the above is true, and facts and scientific evidence are presented to PROVE IT, does that not prove EVOLUTION IS A FACT, and the CREATION is a LIE? Does it not prove that we are NOT ALONE? Does it not prove that the Bible is a MYTH? That the mission of Jesus Christ was a lie? That there was no CREATION OF MAN, A FALL AND A NEED FOR REDEMPTION? That the entire concept is false, and therefore must be discarded and the new SCIENTIFIC THESIS IS CORRECT?
To the world at large, it will prove to be true. The world will embrace the new SCIENTIFIC "FACTS', THE SO CALLED "PROOFS" OF THE ALIENS, AND WILL REJECT THE LONG HELD INTERPRETATIONS OF THE BIBLE. How do we know? We know because the very Bible that the world REJECTS told us in advance, through PROPHECY, that this EVENT WOULD OCCUR, and would sweep the human race into ETERNAL RUIN AND HELL-FIRE. It is called "THE STRONG DELUSION"

EVOLUTION VS. CREATION_AND THE STRONG DELUSION

2 Thes. 2:1-12_Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
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Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, _or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, _shewing himself that he is God.
[5] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
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And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9] Even him,
whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them
strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned
who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. _
What is this STRONG DELUSION that God claims He is going to send upon a BIBLE REJECTING, CREATION REJECTING, FALLEN HUMAN RACE REJECTING WORLD? He is going to SEND PROOF POSITIVE, LITERAL REAL PROOF that the BIBLE IS A LIE, THAT JESUS CHRIST IS NOT THE REDEEMER, AND THAT THE HUMAN RACE HAS NOT FALLEN AT ALL - but is progressing as he should, up the evolutionary ladder to MERGE WITH THE GODS and the INTERGALACTIC COMMUNITY. He is going to prove to A CHRIST REJECTING WORLD that HIS SON DID NOT REDEEM ANYONE AT ALL - and that the whole concept was a MISTRANSLATION of who Jesus REALLY WAS - an AVATAR, AN ASCENDED MASTER, A LIGHT BEING, A CHRISTED ONE! One who "journeyed into Egypt, one who visited the ANCIENTS OF WISDOM, and who visited the STAR GODS and held in his life and spirit the UNIVERSAL WISDOM.
Why would He do that? Because they REJECTED THE TRUTH, they did not lay hold of THE DIVINE AGAPE LOVE OF THE LORD, they did not believe in, or accept the work of Christ on the cross for their REDEMPTION. They claimed they did not need to be REDEEMED, because they had NOT FALLEN. If they are not FALLEN, then there is no need for any redeemer. Mankind insists that he is the product of both EVOLUTION and DNA.GENETIC MANIPULATION by ALIENS - who came here thousands of years ago and took early hominoids and altered their DNA/GENETIC STRUCTURE TO PRODUCE MODERN MAN. So what is this foolishness of A CREATION OF A PERFECT MAN AND WOMAN, A FALL, AND A SUBSEQUENT REDEMPTION BY JESUS CHRIST? What type of foolishness is that? What is this concept of a BLOOD BOUGHT REDEMPTION ANYWAY? Who ever heard of such foolishness as that? These types of religions are DIVISIVE, INTOLERANT and BIGOTED. They have created nothing but STRIFE, WAR AND DEATH. Who needs it?
And so almost the entire human race, at the APEX OF THEIR PROBATION ON EARTH, rejects the BIBLE OUT OF HAND AND COSIGNS THEMSELVES TO ETERNAL RUIN! Very few actually escape the STRONG DELUSION. We are dealing with the God of this ENTIRE UNIVERSE, who created TIME, SPACE, ENERGY, MATTER, SPIRIT AND LIFE. Do think He is not capable of sending down a STRONG DELUSION TO DAMN THE HUMAN RACE FOR CHRIST REJECTION? He is not only capable, He is already providing the evidence to substantiate it in the minds of mankind. He says "I will pick their delusions". Indeed He has - for science has indeed embraced evolution as a substantiated fact and declared creation and as total myth that only the foolish idiots of the world embrace. The foundation upon which the entire STRONG DELUSION OPERATES IS EVOLUTION. It is the FOUNDATION OF THE LIE.
The LIE goes all the way back to Genesis and Satan himself.
Genesis 3:1_Now the serpent was more subtil_than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made._And he said unto the woman,_Yea, hath God said,_Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? _
Yea, hath god said? Hath GOD REALLY SAID THAT? In other words, you better go back and REREAD or RE-LISTEN to what GOD REALLY SAID. You can't take God at HIS DIRECT WORD, He never meant what He said - in fact, little girl Eve, he really meant JUST THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE SAID. Therefore if He claims HE CREATED YOU, he really means YOU EVOLVED. If He says you are FALLEN CREATURES, He really means you NEVER FELL AT ALL, BUT ARE ASCENDING UPWARDS IN YOUR EVOLUTIONARY QUEST - TO BECOMES GODS:
Genesis 3:5_For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, _then your eyes shall be opened,_and ye shall be as gods,_knowing good and evil.

AND IF GOD CLAIMS YOU NEED A REDEEMER, BECAUSE YOU FELL, HE REALLY MEANS YOU CAN REDEEM YOURSELVES BY GOOD WORKS, BY YOUR ASCENT UP THE LADDER TO GODHOOD STATUS. You can control your KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, as the OTHER GODS BEFORE YOU HAVE DONE. When you LEARN and UNDERSTAND and CONTROL YOUR EVIL KNOWLEDGE, via THE UNIFICATION OF MAN INTO ONE WORLD, ONE RELIGION, ONE MIND, ONE LOVE AND ONE BROTHERHOOD, YOU WILL BE READY TO JOIN THE INTERGALACTIC COMMUNITY - YOUR SPACE BROTHERS. Then you will know the REAL TRUTH of your ORIGINS - you will then be ready to ACCEPT THAT TRUTH.
Until that time, we (THE ELOHIM) have manipulated your religions and cultures by manufacturing them to bring mankind to the JUMPING OFF POINT - THE OMEGA POINT - THE POINT OF TRANSCENDENCE INTO GODHOOD STATUS, with all of its perks - like ALTERNATIVE ENERGY, A GOLDEN FUTURE, SPACE EXPLORATION, AND INTERDEMSIONAL TRAVEL - they are all yours - all you have to do IS ACCEPT THE TRUTHS OF YOUR REAL ORIGINS- and REJECT THE LIES OF THE BIBLE.
Yea, hath God said?

WERE WE CREATED OR DID WE EVOLVE?

Interesting question. Science claims to have already answered it. Universities the world over claim they know the answer. We have EVOLVED. CREATION is a MYTH, an OLD WIVES TALE. Since we already know what science, universities, and media all claim, what does God say to the human race concerning our ACTUAL ORIGINS? Are people like Sitchin correct when they claim mankind was created by SPACE GODS WHO VISITED EARTH? What does the Bible actually say about it? Can we take the first chapters of Genesis alone to prove that the GODS who created us were in fact extraterrestrial? Or would we find contradiction to that fact elsewhere in the Scripture, that if we ignored, would mean we rested the Scripture to our own destruction?
Genesis 1:1_In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. __Genesis 1:21_And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. __Genesis 1:27_So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. __Genesis 2:3-4_And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
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These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, __Genesis 5:1-2_This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; [2] Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. __Genesis 6:7_And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. __Deut. 4:32_For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and ask from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been any such thing as this great thing is, or hath been heard like it? __Psalm 89:12_The north and the south thou hast created them: Tabor and Hermon shall rejoice in thy name. __Psalm 102:18_This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD. __Psalm 104:30_Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. __Psalm 148:5_Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created. __Isaiah 40:26_Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth. __Isaiah 41:20_That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the LORD hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it. __Isaiah 42:5_Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: __Isaiah 43:1_But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine. __Isaiah 43:7
Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him. __Isaiah 45:8_Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it. __Isaiah 45:12_I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. __Isaiah 45:18_For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. ___Isaiah 54:16_Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy. __Jeremiah 31:22_How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man. ____Malachi 2:10_Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers? __Mark 13:19_For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. __1 Cor. 11:9_Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. __Ephes. 2:10_For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. __Ephes. 3:9_And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: ___Col. 1:16_For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: __Col. 3:10_And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: __1 Tim. 4:3_Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. __Rev. 4:11_Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. __Rev. 10:6_And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

Now then, either God is a total liar or HE MEANS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID. The Bible is a ZERO OPTIONS BOOK, for it claims to be WRITTEN BY THE GOD WHO CREATED ALL THINGS, EVERYTHING, AND THERE IS NOTHING MADE THAT WAS NOT MADE BY HIM AND HIM ALONE. He does not mention SPACE ALIENS coming here to CREATE MANKIND AT ALL - nor does He use the world EVOLVE or EVOLUTION EVEN ONCE - NEVER AT ALL.
This issue is the FOUNDATIONAL ISSUE that mankind must address - and they are refusing it. We have writers who are very popular, like Sitchin who are claiming that the Gods of Genesis were in fact SPACE ALIENS WHO CAME HERE AND CREATED MANKIND VIA DNA/GENETIC MANIPULATION, by taking HOMINOIDS (EARLY EVOLVED HUMANS) and manipulating their DNA/GENETIC CODING. It is flat out a lie of huge proportions - for God says no such thing ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE, and in point of fact, SAYS JUST THE OPPOSITE. Yea, HATH GOD SAID should be ringing in the ears of the human race!!
Now the word create is an interesting choice of words, both in Hebrew and Greek - it means to FABRICATE, and when put into total context, to fabricate OUT OF NOTHING, BY COMMAND. Another word the Bible uses is the word MADE:

Genesis 1:7_And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. __Genesis 1:16_And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. __Genesis 1:25_And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. __Genesis 1:31_And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. __Genesis 2:2-4_And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
_[4] These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, __Genesis 2:9_And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. __Genesis 2:22_And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. __Genesis 3:1_Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? ___Genesis 5:1_This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; __Genesis 6:6-7_And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. [7] And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. __Genesis 7:4_For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. __Proverbs 16:4_The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Isaiah 37:16_O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.
Isaiah 44:2_Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen. __Isaiah 45:12_I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. __Isaiah 45:18_For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. __Isaiah 46:4_And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you. ___John 1:1-5_In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. _
_It would seem that the God who CREATED THE HEAVENS, THE EARTH, MAN, LIFE AND SPIRIT is pretty well set upon the idea of CREATION and not EVOLUTION as the process by which all that we see came into existence. Therefore the age old riddle of which came first, the chicken or the egg is answered for us: God created a FULL GROWN MALE AND FEMALE BIRD FAMILY THAT HAD WITHIN IT THE CAPABILITY OF LAYING EGGS - therefore the riddle is solved: the chicken came first, the egg came out of the chicken. Or it just a myth, and old wives tale? Each person must decide, according to the Bible, and what they decide determines where they spend eternity future - for the human spirit and soul live forever and were created to live forever.
Satan, says the Bible, is the MASTERMIND behind the concept of EVOLUTION, which never really answers the most fundamental questions of all - where did to the UNIVERSE COME FROM that we evolved from? Who put it there? Chance? And what of the aliens who came here to change our DNA/GENETIC CODES to create modern mankind? Where did they come from? Who created them? And so we forever drift backwards, never answering the primary question at all. These questions are being AVOIDED because MANKIND IS A FALLEN CREATURE WHO IS IN ABSOLUTE REBELLION AGAINST THE GOD WHO CREATED HIM says the Bible. A rebellion spelled out in the Bible, a rebellion that we don't want to face or own up to:
Jeremiah 17:9-10_The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? [10] I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. __Romans 8:7_Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. _
The Bible gives mankind all of the answers. But mankind does not like those answers because of his wicked heart and knowledge of evil - so his mind is an actual and literal ENEMY OF THE ONE TRUE GOD, says the Bible, and because THERE IS A VAIL OVER HIS MIND, and REBELLION IN HIS NATURE at its DEEPEST CORE BEING, he refuses what God says, REJECTS THE CLAIMS OF THE BIBLE, and SUBSTITUTES THOSE TRUTHS for the LIES OF SATAN, who is now his SPIRITUAL FATHER AND MASTER. That is why people mock the Scriptures, ridicule those who believe in the Bible, and science at large discards as myth any and all of what the Bible says is true. Mankind does not realize that HIS SPIRIT AND SOUL HAVE ETERNAL EXISTENCE, and that HE HAS BEEN BORN IN DARKNESS, and WALKS IN DARKNESS:
John 3:19-21_[19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. _
If mankind walks in DARKNESS, then MANKIND DOES NOT KNOW HIS TRUE ORIGINS, and cannot comprehend those origins, nor his future. He walks in SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS, walking into ETERNAL RUIN, but has HIGH HOPES FOR HEAVEN AND A FUTURE BRIGHT WITH LOVE AND HAPPINESS. It will not happen. It will never happen. He is walking into A TRAP, A TRAP SET BY SATAN HIMSELF, WITH HIS "YEA, HATH GOD SAID" and, at the end of man's probation upon earth, GOD SENDS A DELUSION FILLED WITH SCIENTIFIC FACTS AND PROOFS TO DAMN THE HUMAN RACE FOREVER. He uses EVOLUTION and the CONSEQUENCES OF THE EVOLUTIONARY CONCEPT TO DESTROY MANKIND.
Now one might claim that God is a terrible BIGOT. He is totally intolorent to another viewpoint. He does not care if you are a 33rd degree Mason, the Pope, The President of the United States or a floorsweeper. He does not care how many degrees you have, or what your opinion is. He claims to have an AGENDA, and that agenda is clearly spelled out for all to see. He claims the Bible is our reality - the actual reality behind our existence. Part of that agenda is to send a STRONG DELUSION upon all CHRIST REJECTORS - and to damn them forever for that rejection. He says He is being fair about it - because when Jesus Christ came here, He said that if we would do as He commanded, HE WOULD PROVE THE BIBLE WAS TRUE, and THAT IT WAS THE REALITY BEHIND EVERYTHING THERE IS. He said He would prove it via SUPERNATURAL and DIRECT REVELATION to ANYONE AT ALL who obeyed Him.
Now then, if that IS THE CASE, and no one takes Him up on it, then who is to blame? Christ or those who refused Him? And who is to blame for accepting EVOLUTION over CREATION? Do we not have a free will, can we not make up our own minds? Could we not, if we really wanted to, PROVE CREATION OVER EVOLUTION? Of course we could. It is not the facts that prove evolution, it is the PROJECTION of THEORY that gets us into trouble. Evolution has no absoute proofs whatsoever, it has merely been accepted on conjecture of known facts. CREATION on the other hand, does have absolute proof behind it, and several well known scientific laws that prove it - because we have no known variances to those laws - none at all. Even so, the debate roars on - and people take their sides, and face the consequences.
The concept of SPACE ALIENS who seeded mankind here, or who came here and manipulated hominoid DNA/GENETICS to produce what we call HOMO-SAPIENS fails to answer the most fundamental questions. Where did the ALIENS THEMSELVES COME FROM? Did they evolve out of the primordial soups? Or were they the product of other ALIENS who came to their planet and manipulated their DNA and GENETIC CODES to produce them? And where did those ALIENS come from who did that? And so we must, as we said, go further and further back in time and space and probe backwards into ETERNITY PAST and we never obtain any answers. We get the cold winds of silence from a vast, dark universe. We never get any facts - and the DISCLOSURE PROJECT WILL NOT PRODUCE ANY FACTS IN REALITY, only more QUESTIONS. So the aliens show up as "No-Eyes" says they will. And mankind will say to the Church, "What about FIRST MAN AND FIRST WOMEN?" And mankind will be face to face with an enigma, a mystery that the Bible answered long ago!
The SO CALLED SPACE ALIENS are not space aliens at all according to the Bible, The Book of Enoch and Josephus among other ancient writings - they are not extraterrestrial as you and I would think of them. They are in fact FALLEN SPIRITUAL ENTITIES that have POWERS TO MANIFEST INTO AND OUT OF THE TIME SPACE CONTINUUM, and they are POSING AS ALIENS FROM OTHER WORLDS TO FULFILL THE STRONG DELUSION, TO FOOL MANKIND INTO ETERNAL RUIN. IT IS A MASTER GAMEPLAN OF SATAN AND HIS DUPES IN THE ILLUMINATI AND WORLD GOVERNMENT LEADERS TO USHER IN THEIR ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT AND THEIR FAKE MESSIAH. Jesus Christ referred to it as ANTICHRIST and HIS ONE WORLD RULE. Make no mistake - it is here and it will shock the world because they have rejected the Bible, they have rejected all of the warnings of the Bible - and so now they MUST EMBRACE THE LIE.
The Bible makes NO MENTION WHATSOEVER anywhere as to life on other planets, life as you and I would think of it. THERE IS NO MENTION OF ANY OTHER PLANET BEING FORMED BY GOD TO BE INHABITED. It does not say there are none, and it make implication there MIGHT BE. But God does mention EARTH time and time again, and he specifically claims HE FORMED IT TO BE INHABITED. If in fact there were millions of planets and races out there, God would have told us, unless it is a mute point to Him. He would also have told us if they were going to visit us and help us along the way. THERE IS NO SUCH MENTION OF THIS ANYWHERE IN THE PAGES OF SCRIPTURE. If there were a multitude of other planets and races who were going to come to earth to visit and help us, then God would be terrible remiss in not telling us so. Why does God say that PLANET EARTH IS THE CENTER OF A GIGANTIC SPIRITUAL BATTLE between Christ and Satan for the souls of mankind? Why does God bring NEW JERUSALEM to earth and make His home with mankind? Why not some other planet with some UNFALLEN RACES that have not caused all of the trouble that mankind has? Why indeed? Why IS the earth the center of all of this? The silence by OMISSION of life elsewhere should tell you something.
Now the Bible DOES tell us of VISITORS THAT "APPEARED" TO COME FROM OUTER SPACE, FROM THE HEAVENS. They arrived in bright shining ORBS OF LIGHT, or UFO's. Ancient writings are filled with stories of these visitors WHO CLAIMED TO COME FROM THE STARS and who CLAIMED THEY WOULD RETURN. They not only came here, they mated with human females and produced the NEPHILIM, called THE FALLEN ONES. They brought with them all sorts of HIGHER KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM OF THE UNIVERSE. They presented themselves as SPACE ALIENS, AS GODS FROM OTHER PLANETS, HIGHLY EVOLVED. But what is the REAL TRUTH OF THIS MATTER?
Genesis 6:1-5_And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
[2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair;
and they took them wives of all which they chose.
[3] And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
[4] There were giants in the earth in those days;_and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men,_and they bare children to them,_the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. _[5] And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. _
This is a most strange passage of Scripture, loaded with truths that people need to know about today - for this happened during the DAYS OF NOAH, in the early years of mankind's probation upon planet earth. Who were these "Sons of God?" The Bible tells us who they were - they were ANGELS, INTERDEMENSIONAL CREATURES with vast powers OF MATERIALIZATION and they held SECRETS OF THE UNIVERSE. In every instance in which the term SONS OF GOD is used in the OLD TESTAMENT, it refers to THE ANGELIC HOSTS:

foreverspirit
30-04-2007, 01:56 AM
Yeah, Like We Can Really Believe Anything The Bible Has To Say!!!::rolleyes:

james777
04-05-2007, 01:39 AM
Who is, we?

foreverspirit
04-05-2007, 02:34 AM
Who is, we?

Three of the Wisest people I know - Me, Myself and I!!:cool:

umbrex
05-05-2007, 12:33 AM
We are all that is one!

foreverspirit
05-05-2007, 02:02 AM
What would you think of a person that would help you get a job, but would not help another person escape a mudslide, even if they had the power to do it? What about a person that would help you find a parking place but would not lift a finger while thousands of women are raped?

If you think that this behavior is unacceptable for a "person," what about for a "god?"

What kind of god would help some people but let other people suffer horrendous tortures, misery and death? Would you want such a god helping you? Would you think it was just because of your "goodness" or closeness to this god that won his favor for you? Would you think that you are special to this god and take what you can get and forget all the people that this god refuses to help? Would you just hope that these people would find your true religion and then they could have their prayers answered too?

If you don't get any "answers to prayer," religious types put all of the blame on you. You are doing something wrong if you don't have prayers answered. It is all your fault. You have some sin separating you from God. You are not praying enough. You don't recognize that the answer is "no." All your fault. All the fault of the many millions of people that did not get their prayers answered and are very dead. Just imagine this god sitting around twiddling his thumbs while people are suffering and dying, and he is just wishing people could get this prayer thing right so he would be able to help them. Or maybe he really doesn't care if you get it right but, if you do, then he will help you, even in the smallest things.

Does God get a cab for you? Help you find a parking place? Help you pass a test? Get a raise? Find a job? Win a football game? Have you, in your closeness to god, had your prayers answered? If you are so successful in your prayers, you really should be using your prayers more effectively because there are an awful lot of people that need your god to intervene in their lives. If you are doing that already, how effective are you? What is your ratio of petitions asked and petitions received? Are you sure it is not just time and chance? Maybe you should be praying that God would try to be more humane and have less godly superiority. Why can humans be nicer persons than the god most people worship?

When you watch disasters on your TV set, from the comfort of your "God blessed home," such as the recent mudslides in El Salvador, or the Earthquakes in India, with the people crying for their dead and missing children and relatives, here is how you can help comfort people in the midst of tragedy and destruction. Instead of praying for these people, which doesn't help at all, talk to them. Talk to them through your TV set. You have as good a chance of them hearing you as they have of getting a prayer through to this god that refuses to help them:

Say to them, through your magic TV screen:

"God loves you. You just have to get yourself right with him. Maybe you have the wrong religion, keep looking, you may just find it out of the thousands of versions you can choose from. Don't you realize that God provides for littlest of birds and he will provide for you too? Of course, you have to realize that god also provides little birds for little cats so that cats can play with them and torture them, as cats love to do, before they are eaten by the cats. Maybe this is just your turn to be the "bird" to someone else's "cat." But always remember that god loves you; he just has a hard time showing it. So get the most out of your "act of god." He is only doing it for your good; you must have some lesson to learn while you die a miserable death. Now, don't you feel better?"

If you look at God as a "father figure" you should be looking at him as a father figure in jail because no human father would ever get away with treating his children with such indifference, if not abuse.:eek:

foreverspirit
05-05-2007, 02:05 AM
Noah's flood (For those of you that believe in it.)

Genocide committed by the "Loving" God of the Bible. Multiple millions of men, women and children killed because they were behaving just as they were created. Shame on them. (Or, shame on God? What kind of monster do you worship?):eek:


"In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference."

~Richard Dawkins

foreverspirit
05-05-2007, 02:07 AM
He creates evil (Isa. 45:7),

He deceives: (Jer. 20:7).

He tells people to lie:(1 Sam. 16:2).

He lies: (Gen. 2:17),

He rewards liars: Ex. (1:15-20)(Joshua 2:3-6)

He orders men to become drunken: (Jer. 25:27).

He delivers a man (Job) into Satan's hands: (Job 2:6).

He mingles a perverse spirit: (Isa. 19:14).

He is not omnipotent or all powerful: (Judges 1:19).

He causes indecency: (Isaiah 20:4).

He orders stealing: (Ex. 3:22)(Deut. 20:14).

He made false and unfulfilled prophecies: (Jonah 3:4,10) (Gen. 15:13 Says 400 Years But Ex. 12:40 says 430)

He causes adultery:(2 Sam. 12:11-12).

He orders the taking of a harlot: (Hosea 1:2).

He orders a man to purchase his wife: (Hosea 3:1-3).

He kills repeatedly: (Num. 16:35,21:6)(Deut. 32:39)(1 Sam. 6:19)(1 Sam. 5:6) (Psalms 135:10) (Isaiah 66:16)(Jer. 13:14)Also note: Gen. 38:7,10, Ex. 22:23-24, Num. 11:1, Deut. 32:41-42, Joshua 10:10-11, 1 Sam. 5:9, Psalms 136:17-18, Hosea 9:16, Amos 2:3, Ex. 4:24, 2 Sam. 6:6-7, and 2 Kings 5:7.

He orders killing: (Lev. 26:7-8)(Num. 25:4-5)(Num. 25:17)(Deut. 20:16-17)(Joshua 10:40)(Ezek. 9:5-6)(1 Sam. 15:3,18)Also Note: Ex. 32:27-28, Num. 21:34-35, 31:7-8, 35:19-21, and Jer. 48:10.

He loses his temper: (Deut. 13:17) (Judges 3:8)(Psalm 21:9)(2 Sam. 24:1)(1 Kings 16:26)(Nahum 1:2)(2 Kings 13:3)(Ex. 32:10)(Num. 11:1)(16:46), (32:13-14), (1 Kings 14:9 15:30, 16:2, 16:7, 16:13, (2 Chron. 34:25) (Psalm 18:7) and (Jer. 44:6).

He is often jealous: I the lord thy god am a jealous god...." (Deut. 5:9, Ex. 20:5). "For the lord thy god is a jealous god among you...." (Deut. 6:15).See also: Ex. 34:14, Deut. 4:24, 29:20, Psalms 78:58, Ezek. 16:38, 36:5-6 And Joshua 24:19.

He repents. even though 1 Sam. 15:29 ("The strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent") says that god never repents, the following verses say the opposite. “It repented the lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at this heart” (Gen. 6:6) (Ex. 32:14)(1 Sam. 15:11,35)(Jer. 26:3)(Jer. 18:8)

He practices injustice: (Ex. 4:22-23)(Num. 14:18)(Deut. 23:2)(Deut. 28:32)(Joshua 22:20)(2 Sam. 12:14 21:1).

He plays favorites: we are told in (2 chron. 19:7) that, "...there is no iniquity with the lord our god, nor respect of persons, nor taking of gifts." yet, that is clearly disproved by the following comments. "for thou art an holy people unto the lord thy god: the lord thy god has chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth" (Deut. 7:6, 14:2)(1 Sam. 12:22)(1 Chron. 17:22)(Isa. 52:6)(Matt. 15:24)(John 4:22)(Gen. 4:4-5)

He sanctions slavery: (Deut. 15:17)(Titus 2:9)

He degrades deformed people: (Lev. 21:16:23).

He punishes bastards for being illegitimate: Deut. 23:2

He punishes many for the acts of one: (Gen. 3:16) (Gen. 20:18).

He punishes children for their father's sins: (Ex. 34:7)

He prevents people from hearing his words: (Isa. 6:10)(Rom. 9:18) (Matt. 13:13-14)

He orders cannibalism: Isaiah 49:26 Says, "I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh; they will be drunk on their own blood, as with wine....(Lev. 26:29 )(Jer. 19:9)(Ezek. 5:10)

He demanded 16,000 virgins be given to soldiers as war plunder and 32 be set aside for himself: (Num. 31:31-40)

He orders gambling: (Joshua 14:2)Num. (26:52-56)

He requires an unbetrothed virgin to marry her seducer: (Ex. 22:16)

He orders horses to be hamstrung: Joshua 11:6 Says, "The lord said to Joshua,...you are to hamstring their horses and burn their chariots."

He sanctions the degradation of women: (Deut. 21:10-13)

He sanctions the beating of slaves as long as the slave can arise at least a day or two after the beating: (Ex. 21:20-21)

He requires a woman to marry her rapist: Deut. 22:28-29

He trains people for war: Psalm 144:1 Says, "Praise be to the lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle."

He ordered the cooking of food with human feces: Ezek. 4:12

He killed the wicked and the righteous: Ezek. 21:3-4

He intentionally gave out bad laws: Ezek. 20:25 Says, "I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by...."

He excused the sins of prostitutes and adulterers: Hosea 4:14

He excused a murderer and promised him protection: Gen. 4:13-15

He killed a man who refused to impregnate his widowed sister-in-law: Gen. 38:8-10

He aided rather than punished a swindler: In Gen. 28:14-15

He breaks up families: Ex. 21:2-4

He orders the killing of children: Ezek. 9:6 And 1 Sam. 15:3

He killed over 50,000 people because a few looked into an ark: 1 Sam. 6:19

He mandated unlimited punishment for limited sins: Matt. 25:46 Also Rev. 14:11 and Mark 9:43-48.

Etc., Etc., Etc......................:eek:

foreverspirit
05-05-2007, 05:28 AM
Yeah, Proof I Cant Deny!!:cool:

i am all i am
05-05-2007, 08:19 AM
Matthew 5:42"Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away."

Would you please give me $1, 000.00 Jmaes777 ???

With LOVE. http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif

james777
08-05-2007, 09:50 PM
FOREVERSPIRIT;

your quotes, "What would you think of a person that would help you get a job, but would not help another person escape a mudslide, even if they had the power to do it? What about a person that would help you find a parking place but would not lift a finger while thousands of women are raped?

If you think that this behavior is unacceptable for a "person," what about for a "god?"

What kind of god would help some people but let other people suffer horrendous tortures, misery and death? Would you want such a god helping you? Would you think it was just because of your "goodness" or closeness to this god that won his favor for you? Would you think that you are special to this god and take what you can get and forget all the people that this god refuses to help? Would you just hope that these people would find your true religion and then they could have their prayers answered too?

If you don't get any "answers to prayer," religious types put all of the blame on you. You are doing something wrong if you don't have prayers answered. It is all your fault. You have some sin separating you from God. You are not praying enough. You don't recognize that the answer is "no." All your fault. All the fault of the many millions of people that did not get their prayers answered and are very dead. Just imagine this god sitting around twiddling his thumbs while people are suffering and dying, and he is just wishing people could get this prayer thing right so he would be able to help them. Or maybe he really doesn't care if you get it right but, if you do, then he will help you, even in the smallest things.

Does God get a cab for you? Help you find a parking place? Help you pass a test? Get a raise? Find a job? Win a football game? Have you, in your closeness to god, had your prayers answered? If you are so successful in your prayers, you really should be using your prayers more effectively because there are an awful lot of people that need your god to intervene in their lives. If you are doing that already, how effective are you? What is your ratio of petitions asked and petitions received? Are you sure it is not just time and chance? Maybe you should be praying that God would try to be more humane and have less godly superiority. Why can humans be nicer persons than the god most people worship?

When you watch disasters on your TV set, from the comfort of your "God blessed home," such as the recent mudslides in El Salvador, or the Earthquakes in India, with the people crying for their dead and missing children and relatives, here is how you can help comfort people in the midst of tragedy and destruction. Instead of praying for these people, which doesn't help at all, talk to them. Talk to them through your TV set. You have as good a chance of them hearing you as they have of getting a prayer through to this god that refuses to help them"

You bring up some very good and valid points. Mis-conception #1; God is not a person, therefore cannot be contained or judged by human morality standards, this may be hard to swallow, but it's not my fault. You cannot question the ways that the Almighty God has. Everything he does is done for a purpose (even if some of us cannot understand). People live, people die, the matter of death is not what's important. You cannot judge the the dying or dead person because #1) you don't know their relationship with God #2) God may be using that experience to save their souls, otherwise lost #3) death is just the process of life. In order to attain God's favor, you must have faith. It says in the bible that 'faith' is the only thing that pleases God. Just because your answers to prayer haven't come yet, doesn't mean that they're not on the way, perhaps some things are just not for you. You must seek God's will for your life, otherwise you'll just end up bitter, sad and destroyed, mentally and spiritually. The battle here isn't for flesh-n-blood, it's for our souls, so we must look at things differently and unselfishly to discover God's true intent, desire and will for our lives.

People get raped, people get stabbed, people get shot, people get robbed. Bad things happen, it's the nature of the world we live in, especially when most people around here claim that there is no 'right' and no 'wrong', so really, why are you surprised? It's not God's responsibility, duty or job to rescue every person or answer every prayer. It's us who need to seek him and follow his will, it's us who need to come together to bring about positive change in this world, it's us who need to distinguish between what's real and what's not. God's given us all the ground work and more in order for us to live an abundant life. So, if we refuse to seek, refuse to listen and refuse to follow, why should he do anything positive for us? It is written that God will give us nothing that we cannot handle. So if rape, robbery, stabbing, shooting, and natural disaster's are things you cannot handle, then be glad that you haven't had a part in any of them, but if you have, Praise God, because he's brought you through and you've attained more understanding and wisdom through the experience!

You need to stop asking what it is that God's gonna do for you and start asking what is it that you can do for God. Things will start moving in a more positive direction for you.

I think reading and studying the book of JOB in the Old Testement would be a great way for you to begin to understand some of the very questions you have..........

foreverspirit
09-05-2007, 01:01 AM
FOREVERSPIRIT;

You bring up some very good and valid points. Mis-conception #1; God is not a person, therefore cannot be contained or judged by human morality standards, this may be hard to swallow, but it's not my fault.

You cannot question the ways that the Almighty God has. Everything he does is done for a purpose (even if some of us cannot understand). People live, people die, the matter of death is not what's important. You cannot judge the the dying or dead person because #1) you don't know their relationship with God #2) God may be using that experience to save their souls, otherwise lost #3) death is just the process of life. In order to attain God's favor, you must have faith. It says in the bible that 'faith' is the only thing that pleases God. Just because your answers to prayer haven't come yet, doesn't mean that they're not on the way, perhaps some things are just not for you. You must seek God's will for your life, otherwise you'll just end up bitter, sad and destroyed, mentally and spiritually. The battle here isn't for flesh-n-blood, it's for our souls, so we must look at things differently and unselfishly to discover God's true intent, desire and will for our lives.

People get raped, people get stabbed, people get shot, people get robbed. Bad things happen, it's the nature of the world we live in, especially when most people around here claim that there is no 'right' and no 'wrong', so really, why are you surprised? It's not God's responsibility, duty or job to rescue every person or answer every prayer. It's us who need to seek him and follow his will, it's us who need to come together to bring about positive change in this world, it's us who need to distinguish between what's real and what's not. God's given us all the ground work and more in order for us to live an abundant life. So, if we refuse to seek, refuse to listen and refuse to follow, why should he do anything positive for us? It is written that God will give us nothing that we cannot handle. So if rape, robbery, stabbing, shooting, and natural disaster's are things you cannot handle, then be glad that you haven't had a part in any of them, but if you have, Praise God, because he's brought you through and you've attained more understanding and wisdom through the experience!

You need to stop asking what it is that God's gonna do for you and start asking what is it that you can do for God. Things will start moving in a more positive direction for you.

I think reading and studying the book of JOB in the Old Testement would be a great way for you to begin to understand some of the very questions you have..........



What? After so long this is the best you could come up with??

So if rape, robbery, stabbing, shooting, and natural disaster's are things you cannot handle,. BaaaaWaaaaHaaaa. LOL OH LOL OH LOL.

Ludicrous - Assinine!! I cant stop laughing long enough to engage in a mindless discussion with you about your mindless God. Foolishness and evil already has a strong hold on you.

I think I have pointed out enough to educate anyone considering going down the dark path of religion, before they get brainwashed. That was my only intent.

Good Luck and All The Best. You certainly need it!!:eek: :cool:

foreverspirit
09-05-2007, 01:13 AM
Again, for anyone remotely considering going down the religion path, read the bible 1st!!: The religious will do a song and dance, belch out paaaraiise jesus, hallelujah or just plain zone out when the following is pointed out. Read and consider the following for yourselves!!:


He creates evil (Isa. 45:7),

He deceives: (Jer. 20:7).

He tells people to lie1 Sam. 16:2).

He lies: (Gen. 2:17),

He rewards liars: Ex. (1:15-20)(Joshua 2:3-6)

He orders men to become drunken: (Jer. 25:27).

He delivers a man (Job) into Satan's hands: (Job 2:6).

He mingles a perverse spirit: (Isa. 19:14).

He is not omnipotent or all powerful: (Judges 1:19).

He causes indecency: (Isaiah 20:4).

He orders stealing: (Ex. 3:22)(Deut. 20:14).

He made false and unfulfilled prophecies: (Jonah 3:4,10) (Gen. 15:13 Says 400 Years But Ex. 12:40 says 430)

He causes adultery2 Sam. 12:11-12).

He orders the taking of a harlot: (Hosea 1:2).

He orders a man to purchase his wife: (Hosea 3:1-3).

He kills repeatedly: (Num. 16:35,21:6)(Deut. 32:39)(1 Sam. 6:19)(1 Sam. 5:6) (Psalms 135:10) (Isaiah 66:16)(Jer. 13:14)Also note: Gen. 38:7,10, Ex. 22:23-24, Num. 11:1, Deut. 32:41-42, Joshua 10:10-11, 1 Sam. 5:9, Psalms 136:17-18, Hosea 9:16, Amos 2:3, Ex. 4:24, 2 Sam. 6:6-7, and 2 Kings 5:7.

He orders killing: (Lev. 26:7-8)(Num. 25:4-5)(Num. 25:17)(Deut. 20:16-17)(Joshua 10:40)(Ezek. 9:5-6)(1 Sam. 15:3,18)Also Note: Ex. 32:27-28, Num. 21:34-35, 31:7-8, 35:19-21, and Jer. 48:10.

He loses his temper: (Deut. 13:17) (Judges 3:8)(Psalm 21:9)(2 Sam. 24:1)(1 Kings 16:26)(Nahum 1:2)(2 Kings 13:3)(Ex. 32:10)(Num. 11:1)(16:46), (32:13-14), (1 Kings 14:9 15:30, 16:2, 16:7, 16:13, (2 Chron. 34:25) (Psalm 18:7) and (Jer. 44:6).

He is often jealous: I the lord thy god am a jealous god...." (Deut. 5:9, Ex. 20:5). "For the lord thy god is a jealous god among you...." (Deut. 6:15).See also: Ex. 34:14, Deut. 4:24, 29:20, Psalms 78:58, Ezek. 16:38, 36:5-6 And Joshua 24:19.

He repents. even though 1 Sam. 15:29 ("The strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent") says that god never repents, the following verses say the opposite. “It repented the lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at this heart” (Gen. 6:6) (Ex. 32:14)(1 Sam. 15:11,35)(Jer. 26:3)(Jer. 18:8)

He practices injustice: (Ex. 4:22-23)(Num. 14:18)(Deut. 23:2)(Deut. 28:32)(Joshua 22:20)(2 Sam. 12:14 21:1).

He plays favorites: we are told in (2 chron. 19:7) that, "...there is no iniquity with the lord our god, nor respect of persons, nor taking of gifts." yet, that is clearly disproved by the following comments. "for thou art an holy people unto the lord thy god: the lord thy god has chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth" (Deut. 7:6, 14:2)(1 Sam. 12:22)(1 Chron. 17:22)(Isa. 52:6)(Matt. 15:24)(John 4:22)(Gen. 4:4-5)

He sanctions slavery: (Deut. 15:17)(Titus 2:9)

He degrades deformed people: (Lev. 21:16:23).

He punishes bastards for being illegitimate: Deut. 23:2

He punishes many for the acts of one: (Gen. 3:16) (Gen. 20:18).

He punishes children for their father's sins: (Ex. 34:7)

He prevents people from hearing his words: (Isa. 6:10)(Rom. 9:18) (Matt. 13:13-14)

He orders cannibalism: Isaiah 49:26 Says, "I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh; they will be drunk on their own blood, as with wine....(Lev. 26:29 )(Jer. 19:9)(Ezek. 5:10)

He demanded 16,000 virgins be given to soldiers as war plunder and 32 be set aside for himself: (Num. 31:31-40)

He orders gambling: (Joshua 14:2)Num. (26:52-56)

He requires an unbetrothed virgin to marry her seducer: (Ex. 22:16)

He orders horses to be hamstrung: Joshua 11:6 Says, "The lord said to Joshua,...you are to hamstring their horses and burn their chariots."

He sanctions the degradation of women: (Deut. 21:10-13)

He sanctions the beating of slaves as long as the slave can arise at least a day or two after the beating: (Ex. 21:20-21)

He requires a woman to marry her rapist: Deut. 22:28-29

He trains people for war: Psalm 144:1 Says, "Praise be to the lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle."

He ordered the cooking of food with human feces: Ezek. 4:12

He killed the wicked and the righteous: Ezek. 21:3-4

He intentionally gave out bad laws: Ezek. 20:25 Says, "I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by...."

He excused the sins of prostitutes and adulterers: Hosea 4:14

He excused a murderer and promised him protection: Gen. 4:13-15

He killed a man who refused to impregnate his widowed sister-in-law: Gen. 38:8-10

He aided rather than punished a swindler: In Gen. 28:14-15

He breaks up families: Ex. 21:2-4

He orders the killing of children: Ezek. 9:6 And 1 Sam. 15:3

He killed over 50,000 people because a few looked into an ark: 1 Sam. 6:19

He mandated unlimited punishment for limited sins: Matt. 25:46 Also Rev. 14:11 and Mark 9:43-48.

Etc., Etc., Etc......................:eek: :cool:

james777
09-05-2007, 05:35 AM
FOREVERSPIRIT;

So if rape, robbery, stabbing, shooting, and natural disaster's are things you cannot handle,. BaaaaWaaaaHaaaa. LOL OH LOL OH LOL.

Ludicrous - Assinine!! I cant stop laughing long enough to engage in a mindless discussion with you about your mindless God. Foolishness and evil already has a strong hold on you.

I think I have pointed out enough to educate anyone considering going down the dark path of religion, before they get brainwashed. That was my only intent.

Good Luck and All The Best. You certainly need it!!

I must've missed the punch line. Can you explain to me what has you laughing hard enough to refuse an educated reply without accusations and slander...??......maybe the truth is too hard for you to swallow and you like hiding behind your easy-to-follow, happy beliefs, but you won't see me trying to convince you.

Psalm 92:6
The senseless man does not know, fools do not understand

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline

Proverbs 10:8
The wise in heart accept commands, but a chattering fool comes to ruin

Proverbs 12:15
The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice

Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions

foreverspirit
09-05-2007, 04:36 PM
Again, for anyone remotely considering going down the dark path of religion , see Post #13 first.

lumukanda
09-05-2007, 04:57 PM
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline


is it not enough to love god? why must we fear him? i'll tell you why, thats what's meant to keep us in line, the fear of what god will do to us, not the stopping of what god his done for us.
i cannot comply with something that orders me to fear as part of my 'enlightenment'.

james777
09-05-2007, 05:50 PM
LUMUKANDA;

"is it not enough to love god? why must we fear him? i'll tell you why, thats what's meant to keep us in line, the fear of what god will do to us, not the stopping of what god his done for us.
i cannot comply with something that orders me to fear as part of my 'enlightenment'."

You're exactly right right when you say, "thats what's meant to keep us in line" because, well, it is. Fearing God does not mean to cower in the corner or tremble when you hear his name. It's a guide-line such as 'look both ways before you cross the road', not because you 'fear' the road or 'fear' the drivers, but because you 'fear' what might happen if you don't. You don't 'fear' your boss at work, but if you refuse to show up on-time or choose not to do your work, you 'fear' what your boss might do, "Fire You". So, my point being here is that if you have 'fear' in what might happen if you don't follow God's guide-lines, then you 'fear God'. It's not there to make you submissive to the Almighty or keep you tucked in a fearful corner, it's to keep the good things in your life and the bad things out, it's just that simple. If you simply read through the Bible and see who had 'fear' for God and who didn't and what happens when you compare the two, it becomes evident what 'fearing God' really means and why it's important.

Deuteronomy 6:24
The LORD commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the LORD our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today.

i am all i am
09-05-2007, 06:06 PM
The Biblical God is NOT pro-life, he advocates child murder, infanticide, child abuse and abortion:


I see so many retarded ass Christians talking about abortion being a crime against God. It’s not a wonder that they are hard pressed to find a conclusive biblical statement to corroborate their position. In their determination to control women they have been forced to rely on exceedingly weak sections such as “thou shall not kill”,”I kneweth thou in the womb” and their favorite: “When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her shall be fined, according as the woman’s husband shall lay upon; and he shall pay as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth...“--Exodus 21:22-24 The problem here is that the man who injures a pregnant woman in the process, shall repay her according to the degree of injury inflicted on her, not the fetus. I am often dumbfounded at how Christians can assume that abortion is wrong judging by these feeble verses when the Bible clearly advocates infanticide and many other atrocities against children and pregnant women. I can no longer allow such ignorance of the Bible and deem it necessary to expose the true agenda. I am tired of the many young Christians who are brainwashed by their clergy. They are only taught the “love and mercy” parts of the Bible and never bother to read what is not so openly preached . The Church thrives off of speaking in half truths and concealing their blood soaked robes. Of course my job as preacher of an Atheist parish is to give a sermon about those things that the Bible TRUTHFULLY commands. Here they are, god’s views on the unborn, the actions of righteous men” and god’s commands of infanticide and child abuse: (note-There are Torah verses in this list but I will not attack the Jewish faith for being pro-life since they are not rampant advocates of the matter.)



Abortion:

Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”?

Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child.

Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.

Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.

2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?



Infanticide:

1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.

Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.

Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.


The murdering of children:

Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.

Psalms 137:8-9 Prayer/song of vengeance “0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”

2 Kings 6:28-29 “And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.”

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”

Judges 19:24-29 “Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man’s house where her lord was, till it was light. And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place. And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.” To put it very bluntly this poor, young lady was murdered by her mate for being raped.

Exodus 12:29 God killed, intentionally, every first-born child of every family in Egypt, simply because he was upset at the Pharaoh. And god caused the Pharaoh’s actions in the first place. Since when is it appropriate to murder children for their ruler’s forced action?

Exodus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents Joshua 8 God commanded the deaths of 12,000 men, women, and children of Ai. They were all slain in the ambush that was planned by god.

2 Kings 2:23-24 The prophet Elisha, was being picked on by some young boys from the city because of his bald head. The prophet turned around and cursed them in the Lords name. Then, two female bears came out of the woods and killed forty-two of them. You would think that God could understand that sometimes the youthful make childish jokes. Calling someone “bald head” is far from being worthy of death.

Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.”

1 Samuel 15:11-18 God repents of having made Saul king since Saul refused to carry out God’s commandments (i.e., Saul refused to murder all the innocent women and children.) At least god realizes what an immoral, murderous pig he is on this one.

I Kings 16:34 Laying the foundation for a city using your firstborn child and using your youngest son to set up the gates.

Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife.

Jeremiah 11:22-23 God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death.

Jeremiah 19:7-9 God will make parents eat their own children, and friends eat each other.

Lamentations 2:20-22 God gets angry and mercilessly torments and kills everyone, young and old. He even causes women to eat their children.



Child abuse:

Genesis 22:9 & 10 “And they came to the place which God had told him of and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood. And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.” It matters not that god let Abraham get out of murdering Isaac. To put a knife up to your son’s throat is child abuse.

I Kings 3:24-25 “And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king. And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other." This test was of course given to see who the real mother of the child was. Christians view this king as a wise man. I look upon his suggestion with far more revulsion then I give accredit to Susan Smith.

Proverbs 13:24, 19:18, 22:15, 23:13-14 & 29:15 God commands repeatedly that you beat your children.

Matthew 19:29 If you really loved Jesus then he insists that you abandon your wife and children for him. Only that way will he allow you to go to heaven. (That is if you meet his other hefty requirements, don’t slip through the loopholes, and ignore the contradictions.)

Mark 7:9 Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.



In conclusion I shall end this list with a verse that should keep the pro lifers in check. It is Romans 13: 1-7

“Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which god has established. The authorities that exist have been established by god. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what god has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he shall commend you. For he is god’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is god’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. There fore it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.

This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are god’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes, if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”

Clearly it is the job of Christians to obey the laws, and the laws of this country clearly state that abortion is legal. So too should Christians respect and honor that law. God commands them to NOT disobey, which entails attempting to get the law overturned. If god wanted abortion to be illegal he wouldn’t have appointed authorities to make it legal.

http://www.evilbible.com/god%27s%20not%20pro-life.htm


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i am all i am
09-05-2007, 06:20 PM
Evils, Atrocities and Injustices of the Torah

The following is a very SHORT list of sadistic acts that are commanded, allowed, or threatened by God and his “righteous” men. All of these verses can be found in the Torah. (which are the first five books of the Bible.) I have put them in chronological order so that you may verify them as you read along. (Keep in mind that the scriptures literally have an atrocity on every other page. So this list will keep evolving as I work through the Pentateuch yet again. To compile a full list may take months, so feel free to check back in later.) God entraps humans by placing the tree of knowledge in the garden and telling Adam and Eve not to eat of it. This is rather similar to placing a toy in front of a child and telling them they are not allowed to play with it. God created us with instinct, rebellion, and curiosity. Soon he punishes us for only doing what is part of our nature. Genesis 2:16.47

God now commands that all women must have health hazardous labors for Eve ate the fruit. In no way shape or form is it just that I must pay for the sins of my ancestors. Genesis 3:16

God caused sibling rivalry by favoring Abel over Cain, with absolutely no attempt at justification. This act of favoritism led to Abel’s death. Genesis 4:3-5

Genesis 7:23 He killed, intentionally, every man, woman, and child on the planet save eight of them.

God commands Hagar go back into servanthood and bear children for her master though she does not want to. Genesis 16:7-9

Genesis 19:23-25 God burns down a whole city (women and children included) simply because they were supposedly homosexual.

Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and that the Lord slew him. How was Er wicked? The Bible doesn’t give us this bit of information, only that Er was wicked in the sight of the Lord. Genesis 38:7

Genesis 38:10 God murders Onan for refusing to commit incest with his sister in law.

Exodus 12:29 God repeatedly tells Moses exactly what calamity he will next visit upon the Egyptians if the Pharaoh does not allow the Israelites to be set free from slavery. Then he tells Moses (also repeatedly) that he will harden Pharaoh’s heart, so that he will refuse to allow the Israelites to go, thus bringing a calamity upon his own people, as well as showing him the awesome power of the Israelites’ Lord. This occurs over and over, bringing calamity upon calamity upon the Egyptian people. What is troubling about this verse is that when god “hardens the pharaoh’s heart” he is interfering with the Pharaoh’s free will and ultimately bringing punishment on the Egyptians for something they are not responsible for. As a final punishment god decides to kill all the first born of Egypt. The lord reduced himself to murdering innocent kids when he could have simply freed the Israelites himself with his “omnipotent” power.

God punishes children for the sins of their fathers, unto the third and fourth generations. Punishing a child for the sins of their ancestors is not very just. Exodus 20:5&34:7

God endorses slavery. He even set up laws as to how slavery was to be carried out, and goes as far as Okaying beating them. Exodus 21:2-6

God sanctioned the selling of ones daughter. How can any being tell another to literally sell their child into slavery? Disgusting! Exodus 21:7

Exodus 22:18 God orders the death of witches, sorceresses and anyone who practices magic. Sadly enough, this verse was justification for the Inquisition.

Exodus 32:27 God ordered to be killed, 3,000 Israelites for no greater crime than worshipping a golden calf. I don’t know about you but death is a pretty harsh fucking punishment.

Leviticus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents and death for adultery. Gee, with these types of laws the population should be almost nil by now.

Once again god is a homophobe, or at the very least, a bigot. Leviticus 20:13

Handicapped people must not approach the altar. Leviticus 21:16-23

Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shill ye eat.”

Leviticus 27:28-29 God ordered and allowed human sacrifices.

Numbers 16:27 God buries alive Korah and his family.

Numbers 16:35 God killed 250 Levite princes who disagreed with Moses’ leadership. He was so bloodthirsty that he wanted to slay more until he was talked out of it. Later he put a plague upon 14,700 Jews who thought there was something wrong in killing 250 princes.

Numbers 21:1-3 God utterly destroyed the Canaanites at Hormah as a favor to the Jews.

Numbers 21:27-35 God abetted Moses in utterly destroying the Amorites at Heshbon - “…the men, the women, and the little ones.”

Numbers 31:17-18 God commands Moses to kill all the Medianite people including children and women. To top it off he commands that the virgins be saved for later raping by Moses’ soldiers.

Deuteronomy 3:3-7 God ordered Moses’ army to “utterly destroy” 60 cities, killing all the women and children within!

Deuteronomy 7:12 God ordered the Israelites to kill all the people of seven nations. He even adds, “show no mercy unto them”.

Deuteronomy 20:16 God orders that we kill everything that breathes in the cities that he gives us for an inheritance

A bastard can’t attend church “even to his tenth generation.” As if denying an innocent child rights to worship isn’t cruel. Deuteronomy 23:2

http://www.evilbible.com/evils%20of%20the%20torah.htm


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i am all i am
09-05-2007, 06:29 PM
Rape In The Bible

Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. Yet few people know that the Bible often condones and even approves of rape. How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me. Perhaps they have been lied to about the Bible and carefully detoured around all the nasty stuff in the Bible.

So grab your Bibles and follow along as I show you all the nasty rapes that your priests and preachers don't want to tell you about. Note that in many places in the Bible there are references to "taking a wife". Don't be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages. This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to "take" these wives.


1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?


2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.


3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?


4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.


5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

It is clear that God doesn't give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans "property".


6) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]

This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!


7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

Once again God approves of forcible rape.


8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)


9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)


10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)


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09-05-2007, 06:46 PM
Murder in the Bible


The act of murder is rampant in the Bible. In much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, there are laws that command that people be killed for absurd reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding night. In addition to these crazy and immoral laws, there are plenty of examples of God's irrationality by his direct killing of many people for reasons that defy any rational explanation such as killing children who make fun of bald people, and the killing of a man who tried to keep the ark of God from falling during transport. There are also countless examples of mass murders commanded by God, including the murder of women, infants, and children.

The following passages are a very small percentage of the total passages approving of murder in the Bible. They are divided here into three parts: 1) Capital Punishment Crimes, 2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons, 3) Murdering Children, and 4) Miscellaneous Murders. This list is long, but it barely scratches the surface of all the murders approved of in the Bible.


1) Capital Punishment Crimes:


Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)


Kill Homosexuals

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)


Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)


Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)


Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)


Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)


Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)


Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)


Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)


Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)


Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)


Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)


Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)


Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)


Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)


Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)


2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:


Kill Brats

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)


God Kills the Curious

And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)


Killed by a Lion

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)


Killing the Good Samaritan

The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)


3) Murdering Children


Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)


God Will Kill Children

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)


Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)


God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)


Kill Old Men and Young Women

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)


God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)


More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)


4) Miscellaneous Murders


More of Samson's Murders

(The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ass; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)


Peter Kills Two People

There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. He brought part of the money to the apostles, but he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this deception. Then Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren't lying to us but to God." As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. Then some young men wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, "Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?" "Yes," she replied, "that was the price." And Peter said, "How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this – conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry you out, too." Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear gripped the entire church and all others who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)


Mass Murder

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)


You Have to Kill

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)


The Danites Kill the Next Town

But the territory of the Danites was too small for them; so the Danites marched up and attacked Leshem, which they captured and put to the sword. Once they had taken possession of Lesham, they renamed the settlement after their ancestor Dan. (Joshua 19:47 NAB)


God Kills Some More

Then the LORD said to me, "Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn't help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, 'But where can we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.' "I will send four kinds of destroyers against them," says the LORD. "I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth." (Jeremiah 15:1-4 NLT)


God Promises More Killing

I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)


The Angel of Death

My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB)


Destruction of Ai

Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid or discouraged. Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city." So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with these orders: "Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say, 'The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.' Then you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the LORD has commanded. You have your orders." So they left that night and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua remained among the people in the camp that night.

Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the Jordan Valley. But he didn't realize there was an ambush behind the city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.

Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Point your spear toward Ai, for I will give you the city." Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped. Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.

When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)


Killing at Jericho

When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)


God Kills an Extended Family

"You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.'" Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam's wife, "Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with him." (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)


Mass Murder

The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)


The Angel of Death

That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)


Kill Your Neighbors

(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)


Kill the Family of Sinners

And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it." [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the loot to the treasury of the Lord.] "So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day. (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster's Bible)


Kill Followers of Other Religions

While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)


Murder

At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, "O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to yourself." Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw it, they fell on their faces and cried out, "The LORD is God! The LORD is God!" Then Elijah commanded, "Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don't let a single one escape!" So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there. (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)


Kill All of Babylon

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)


Micah Kills a Whole Town

Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm


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09-05-2007, 06:54 PM
Slavery in the Bible


Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.

Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.


The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?


The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and screws them!

What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm


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09-05-2007, 07:03 PM
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

http://www.evilbible.com/Top_Ten_List.htm


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james777
09-05-2007, 10:07 PM
IAMALLIAM;

Well, I'm glad you've done your homework, but you're not proving any points or bringing any 'earth-shattering' evidence to the table. Anyone who's actually sat and read the Bible can clearly see the acts of God and the Intentions of God. See, the 'Old Testament' was under the 'old covenant', God has a NO TOLERANCE policy, so if you weren't serving him like he demands, well then, you can see what might happen to you. He did create us, so he can do with us as he pleases. Plus, 6,000 years ago, the culture was obviously much different than it is now, so what they believed, their traditions and their practices had to do with them and their time. Now, having said that....................

...............THIS is the very reason Jesus Christ came to this earth. He came to redeem humanity, save us from the 'vengeance' of the ALL-powerful, Almighty God. His life, death and resurrection were 'Gifts' to us as humans. When we accept the gift of 'grace' by accepting Jesus Christ's Blood sacrifice, we become covered, as in, bought and paid for. Jesus has become humanities only bridge to God. Jesus came and taught the 'New Covenant', which is where we derive our modern day moralistic standards, because after Jesus, human's had to start being 'accountable' for their actions. Prior to Jesus, 'HELL' was never mentioned. So, now we can either commit ourselves to Christ and live in the ways that he taught and that he expects.....OR.....you can plainly see what happens to those of us who do not, THIS alone is why we must 'fear God'.....

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10-05-2007, 07:34 AM
Jesus Christ is a False Messiah


According to Jesus’ admissions, as well as the Bible’s prophecies, Jesus of Nazareth could not have been the Messiah. This of course, would invalidate Christianity as we know it. The compilation presented here shall be split in three sections. The first shall be the biblical prophecies that were made in order to identify the messiah, which Jesus does not fulfill. The second shall be the prophecies that Christians use to say that Jesus was the Messiah, yet they clearly fail. The third set shall be the prophecies and statements Jesus made yet they are false and have never came true.


Prophecies to Identify the Messiah, Which Jesus Does Not Fulfill:

1) Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus (the messiah) would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Yet no one, not even his parents, call him Immanuel at any point in the bible.

2) The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the Virgin Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.

3) Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Yet there is no mention of this prophecy being fulfilled in the New Testament with the coming of Jesus, hence this is another Messiah prophecy not fulfilled.



Prophecies Christians Use to Verify Jesus as the Messiah, Yet Clearly Fail:

4) The gospels (especially Matthew 21:4 and John 12:14-15) claim that Jesus fulfills the prophecy of Zechariah 9:9. But the next few verses (Zechariah 9:10-13) show that the person referred to in this verse is a military king that would rule "from sea to sea". Since Jesus had neither an army nor a kingdom, he could not have fulfilled this prophecy.

5) Matthew (Matthew 2:17-18) quotes Jeremiah (Jeremiah 31:15), claiming that it was a prophecy of King Herod’s alleged slaughter of the children in and around Bethlehem after the birth of Jesus. But this passage refers to the Babylonian captivity, as is clear by reading the next two verses (Jeremiah 31:16-17), and, thus, has nothing to do with Herod’s massacre.

6) John 19:33 says that during Jesus’ crucifixion, the soldiers didn’t break his legs because he was already dead. Verse John 19:36 claims that this fulfilled a prophecy: "Not a bone of him shall be broken." But there is no such prophecy. It is sometimes said that the prophecy appears in Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12 & Psalm 34:20. This is not correct. Exodus 12:46 & Numbers 9:12 are not prophecies, they are commandments. The Israelites are told not to break the bones of the Passover lamb, and this is all it is about. And Psalm 34:20 seems to refer to righteous people in general (see verse Psalm 34:19, where a plural is used), not to make a prophecy about a specific person.

7) "When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt." Hosea 11:1. Matthew (Matthew 2:15) claims that the flight of Jesus’ family to Egypt is a fulfillment of this verse. But Hosea 11:1 is not a prophecy at all. It is a reference to the Hebrew exodus from Egypt and has nothing to do with Jesus. Matthew tries to hide this fact by quoting only the last part of the verse ("Out of Egypt I have called my son").

8) "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Micah 5:2 The gospel of Matthew (Matthew 2:5-6) claims that Jesus’ birth in Bethlehem fulfils this prophecy. But this is unlikely for two reasons.

A) "Bethlehem Ephratah" in Micah 5:2 refers not to a town, but to a clan: the clan of Bethlehem, who was the son of Caleb’s second wife, Ephrathah (1 Chronicles 2:18, 2:50-52 & 4:4).

B) The prophecy (if that is what it is) does not refer to the Messiah, but rather to a military leader, as can be seen from Micah 5:6. This leader is supposed to defeat the Assyrians, which, of course, Jesus never did. It should also be noted that Matthew altered the text of Micah 5:2 by saying: "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah" rather than "Bethlehem Ephratah" as is said in Micah 5:2. He did this, intentionally no doubt, to make this verse appear to refer to the town of Bethlehem rather than the family clan.

Statements Jesus Made Which Are False:

9) Jesus in John 14:12 & Mark 16:17-18 said: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth in me, the works that I do shall he also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." This implies that Jesus’ true followers should be able to routinely perform the following tricks: 1) cast out devils, 2) speak in tongues, 3) take up serpents, 4) drink poisons without harm, and 5) cure the sick by touching them and MANY other of Jesus’ "works". Curiously I have yet to see a Christian that can do any of the above on demand.

10) In John 14:13-14 Jesus stated: "And whatsoever ye ask in my name I do, that the Father may be glorified in the son. If ye ask any thing in my name, I will do it." In reality, millions of people have made millions of requests in Jesus’ name and failed to receive satisfaction. This promise or prophecy has failed completely.

11) Paul says Christianity lives or dies on the Resurrection (1 Corinthian 15:14-17). Yet Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 that he would be buried three days and three nights as Jonah was in the whale three days and three nights. Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning is only one and a half days, so he could not have been the messiah by his own and Paul’s admission.

12) Jesus’ prophecy in John 13:38 ("The cock shall not crow, till thou [Peter] hast denied me three times") is false. Mark 14:66-68 shows the cock crowed after the first denial, not the third.

13) In Mark 10:19 Jesus said: "Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, do not steal, do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother." Jesus needs to re-read the Ten Commandments. There is no Old Testament commandment against defrauding. The only relevant statement about defrauding is in Leviticus 19:13 , which says : "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor." This is an OT law, but is not listed with the Ten Commandments. Surely, if Jesus was god incarnate he would know the commandments.

14) "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven" (John 3:13). If Jesus is in heaven, how can he be down on earth speaking? Moreover, according to 2 Kings 2:11 ("and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven") Jesus was not the only person to ascend into heaven, nor was he the first. Elijah preceded him and apparently Enoch did also ("And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him"--Genesis 5:24).

15) In Luke 23:43 Jesus said to the thief on the cross, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." This obviously has to be false, for Jesus was supposed to lay dead in the tomb for three days following his crucifixion.

1 6) Jesus says : "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy" (Matthew 5:43). This statement does not exist in the OT either. In fact, Proverbs 24:17 says, "Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth…"

17) Jesus is reported to say: "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it" (Luke 16:16). Certainly every man is not pressing to enter the kingdom of God. The very fact that I am an atheist (one third of the world’s population does not believe in a god) proves this verse to be false.

18) "Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the Sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?" (Matthew 12:5) Nowhere does the OT state that the priests in the temple profaned the Sabbath and were considered blameless.

19) "Yea; have ye never read, 'Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise'" (Matthew 21:16). Jesus is quoting Psalm 8:2, which says, "Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies…". "Perfect praise" has little to do with "ordaining strength because of thine enemies." Another misquotation!

20) "But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him" (Mark 9:13). There are no prophecies in the OT of things that were to happen to Elijah.

Jesus, in all his "God incarnate" wisdom, contradicts himself:

21) Jesus consistently contradicts himself concerning his Godly status. "I and my father are one." (John 14:28) Also see Philippians 2:5-6 Those verses lead us to believe that he is a part of the trinity and equal to his father being a manifestation of him. Yet, Jesus also made many statements that deny he is the perfect men, much less God incarnate. Take the following for example: "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God" (Matthew 19:17). "My father if greater then I." (John 14:28) Also see Matthew 24:26 Clearly, Jesus is denouncing the possibility of him being the Messiah in those three verses.

22) Jesus said, "whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire" (Matthew 5:22). Yet, he himself did so repeatedly, as Matthew 23:17-19 and Luke 11:40 & 12:20 show. Clearly Jesus should be in danger of hell too?

23) Does Jesus support peace, or war? Matthew 5:39 "Resist not evil, but whoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Also note Matthew 6:38-42 & 26:52 where Jesus teaches non-resistance, Non-violence. Now read (Luke 22:36-37) Where Jesus commands people to take arms for a coming conflict. (John 2:15) Jesus uses a whip to physically drive people out of the temple.

24) Matthew 15:24 Jesus said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of lsrael,". This would of course mean that he is here only to save the Jews. The scriptures repeatedly back up this notion that Christ is savior to the Jews and not the gentiles (see Romans 16:17, Revelations 14:3-4 & John 10). The contradiction lies in what Jesus later tells his followers: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations" (Matthew 28:19).

25) Can we hate our kindred? Luke 14:26 Jesus says "If any man come unto me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brother, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he can not be my disciple." John 3:15 "Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer." Also see Ephesians 6:22, 5:25, & Matthew 15:4

26) Even many of the staunchest defenders of Jesus admit that his comment in Matthew 10:34 ("I came not to send peace but a sword") contradicts verses such as Matthew 26:52 ("Put up again thy sword into his place: for all that take the sword shall perish with the sword").

27) Deuteronomy 24:1 & 21:10-14 all say that divorce is allowed for the simple reason if a "man no longer delighteth in his wife". Yet Jesus comes along and breaks his father’s law by saying in Matthew 5:32 that adultery is the only way one can be divorced.

28) In Mark 8:35 Jesus said: "...but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel’s the same shall save it." How could Jesus have said this when there was no gospel when he lived? The gospel did not appear until after his death.

29) Matthew 6:13 Jesus recites a revised prayer and states, "Don’t bring us into temptation." God is the cause of everything, even Satan. God has been leading people into temptation since the Garden of Eden. Otherwise, the trees of life and knowledge would have never been there.

30) Matthew 12:1-8 Jesus thinks it’s okay to break his father’s laws, by breaking the Sabbath day. He states that he is basically exempt for such fiascoes and that he is Master of the Sabbath.

31) John 3:17 Jesus contradicts himself when he says, "God didn’t send his son into the world to condemn it, but to save it." Jesus seems to forget his own stories.

32) James 4:3 If your prayers are not answered, it’s your own damned fault. This is in direct contradiction to where Jesus says "seek and ye shall find, ask and it shall be known to you".

33) "If Jesus bears witness of himself his witness is true" John 8:14, "If I bear witness of myself it is not true." John 5:31

34) "I am with you always, even unto the end of the world" (Matthew 28:20), versus "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always" (Matthew 26:11 , Mark 14:7, John 12:8) and "Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am thither ye cannot come" (John 7:34). Is this the kind of friend one can rely on?

35) "And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her" (Mark 10:11 & Luke 6:18), versus "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery" (Matthew 19:9). In the book of Matthew, Jesus said a man could put away his wife if one factor-- fornication--is involved. In Mark and Luke he allowed no exceptions.

36) Jesus is quoted: "Judge not, and ye shall be not judged; condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven" (Luke 6:37 & Matthew 7:1), versus "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment" (John 7:24). Jesus stated men are not to judge but, then, allowed it under certain conditions. As in the case of divorce, he can’t seem to formulate a consistent policy.

37) "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46, (also note the time before crucification where Jesus prays for the "cup to passeth over me") versus "Now is my soul troubled. And what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour?’ No, for this purpose I have come to this hour" (John 12:27 RSV). Jesus can’t seem to decide whether or not he wants to die. One moment he is willing; the next he isn’t.

38) In Luke 23:30 ("Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, fall on us, and to the hills, cover us") Jesus quoted Hosea 10:8 ("...and they shall say to the mountains, cover us; and to the hills, fall on us"). And, like Paul, he often quoted inaccurately. In this instance, he confused mountains with hills.

39) "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they know him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist" (Matthew 17:11-13). John the Baptist was beheaded, but Jesus was not. And what did John the Baptist restore? Nothing!

40) We are told salvation is obtained by faith alone (John 3:18 & 36) yet Jesus told a man to follow the Commandments-Matthew 19:16-18 (saving by works)-if he wanted eternal life.

41) In Luke 12:4 Jesus told his followers to "Be not afraid of them that kill the body." But Matthew 12:14-16, John 7:1, 8:59, 10:39, 11:53-54, & Mark 1:45 show that Jesus consistently feared death. Jesus went out of his way to hide, run, and attempt escape from the Roman and Jewish authorities.

42) Matthew 5:28 says to sin in "your heart" is considered a sin in itself. The messiah is supposed to be God incarnate, not able to sin, yet in Matthew 4:5 & Luke 4:5-9, Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert, which is sinning in his heart. Jesus also took upon all the sins of the world during his crucifixion, so how can it be said that "Jesus was the perfect man without sin"? This would lead one to believe he was not the Messiah.

43) Jesus told us to "Love your enemies; bless them that curse you," but ignored his own advice by repeatedly denouncing his opposition. Matthew 23:17 ("Ye fools and blind"), Matthew 12:34 ("0 generation of vipers"), and Matthew 23:27 (". . . hypocrites . . . ye are like unto whited sepulchres. . .") are excellent examples of hypocrisy.

44) Did the people of Jesus’ generation see any signs? (Matthew 12:38-40) Jesus announced that no signs would be given to that generation except the Resurrection itself. (Mark 8:12-13) Jesus announced that no signs would be given to that generation. (Mark 16:20) They went out preaching, and the Lord confirmed the word through accompanying signs. (John 20:30) Jesus provided many wonders and signs. (Acts 2:22) Jesus provided many wonders and signs. (Acts 5:12 & 8:13) many signs and wonders were done through the apostles.

45) Jesus commands the disciples to go into Galilee immediately after the resurrection. Matthew 28:10 Jesus commands the disciples to "tarry in Jerusalem" immediately after the resurrection.

46) Matthew 28:18 & John 3:35 both tell that Jesus said he could do anything. Yet Mark 6:5 says Jesus was not all powerful.

47) Jesus says in Luke 2:13-14 that he came to bring peace on earth. Matthew 10:34 Jesus back peddles and says he did not come to bring peace on earth.

48) Did Christ receive testimony from man? "Ye sent unto John and he bare witness unto the truth. But I receive not testimony from man." John 5:33-34 "And ye shall also bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning." John 15:27

49) Christ laid down his life for his friends. John 15:13 & 10:11 Christ laid down his life for his enemies. Romans 5:10

50) Deuteronomy 23:2 says that bastards can not attend church unto the tenth generation. If Jesus was spawned by Mary and Jehovah as the Bible claims then he is technically a bastard and should not be the leader of the church.

http://www.evilbible.com/jesus_false.htm



With LOVE. http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif

bigus_dickus
14-05-2007, 05:38 AM
About EvilBible.com

EvilBible.com is a non-profit web site which was developed to promote atheism by revealing the wicked truth about the Bible and religion.


hmmm...

nice work on promoting atheism.

bigus_dickus
14-05-2007, 05:43 AM
has anyone bought this guy a beer?

http://www.evilbible.com/images/Beer1.gif

Writing stuff for this web site and debating theists in my discussion forum takes up a lot of my time and makes me VERY THIRSTY. If you like my web site and want to buy me a beer, you can do this by donating money to my beer fund.

You can pay by credit card through Pay-Pal. This will show up on your credit card as a payment to my software company.

http://www.evilbible.com/images/CreditCards.GIF

Suggested dontations:

$3.00 A domestic beer at a local pub.
$5.50 An import or microbrew at a nice restaurant.
$10.00 A 12-pack of beer
$20.00 A case of beer.
$50.00 A quarter keg
$3,700,000 A small microbrewery
$17,345,675,659 Controlling interest in Anheuser -Bush

clever guy he is.

bigus_dickus
14-05-2007, 05:57 AM
a little more diggin..

this site features a lot of articles from the american atheists website..

(there's a small note below that says that he is not affiliated with them. yeah, sure he isn't, he just promotes them for no reason)

from the atheists.org site:

http://www.atheists.org/images/ej1.jpg

ELLEN JOHNSON is the President of American Atheists, a nationwide movement founded by Madalyn Murray O'Hair which defends the civil rights of nonbelievers, works for the separation of church and state, and addresses issues of First Amendment public policy.

Ms. Johnson has been a nonbeliever all her life, having been raised as a second-generation Atheist. She received her B.A. in Environmental Studies and Political Science, and went on earn her Master's Degree in Political Science at the New School for Social Research.



let's see what we can find on mrs Madalyn Murray O'Hair:

The founding of American Atheists and later

Following the Supreme Court decision, she founded American Atheists, "a nationwide movement which defends the civil rights of non-believers, works for the separation of church and state, and addresses issues of First Amendment public policy." She acted as its first CEO before later handing that office on to her son Jon Garth.

In 1965, Madalyn married Richard O'Hair, another ex-Marine. Throughout the 1970s, she publicly debated religious leaders on a variety of issues and also produced an atheist radio program in which she criticized religion and theism. She filed lawsuits on many issues over which she felt there was a collusion of church and state in violation of the Constitution. At this point, Richard O'Hair disappeared from her life.[citation needed]

In 1980, her son William converted to Christianity and was born again at a Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas, where he took up work as a preacher. This led to a permanent estrangement between mother and son. As she put it, "One could call this a postnatal abortion on the part of a mother, I guess; I repudiate him entirely and completely for now and all times...He is beyond human forgiveness." [2]

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madalyn_Murray_O'Hair

oh and check this out too:

http://crimemagazine.com/ohair.htm

"There is no God. There's no heaven. There's no hell. There are no angels. When you die, you go in the ground, the worms eat you."

-- Madalyn Murray O’Hair

these people are too hardcore :cool: