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pheony

14-08-2008, 12:12 AM

The ships bring a lot of goodies. :eek:

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/easter_dees.jpg

Thats great:):):)

pheony

14-08-2008, 12:16 AM

Thats great:):):)

Not what it signifies, just a very telling picture.

Anders Lindman

14-08-2008, 12:29 AM

I'm still a patriot AND at the same time I'm more important than my nation, more important than any nation.

At first this idea can seem very strange, but a nation is actually only a construct, a very important construction, yet still only a lifeless 'thing'. A nation can never be a living being. That's why a person is more important than a nation.

pheony

14-08-2008, 12:36 AM

At first this idea can seem very strange, but a nation is actually only a construct, a very important construction, yet still only a lifeless 'thing'. A nation can never be a living being. That's why a person is more important than a nation.

Ive never thought of a nation being more important then a person. Its only people that matter.Its a pity the leaders of our nations dont feel the same way.

horseflesh

14-08-2008, 12:55 AM

Ive never thought of a nation being more important then a person. Its only people that matter.Its a pity the leaders of our nations dont feel the same way.

All that matters to the leaders of our nations is profit and control of the populace.

I feel this is The Big One they've all been waiting for...

I really hope I'm wrong.

whitenight639

14-08-2008, 01:00 AM

The ships bring a lot of goodies. :eek:

lol good pic, i cant believe people (not you) are not making a HUGE deal out of this as it looks like ww3.

pheony

14-08-2008, 01:17 AM

lol good pic, i cant believe people (not you) are not making a HUGE deal out of this as it looks like ww3.
I know, ive asked a few people what they think,and their just sort of shrugging their shoulders and saying it will get sorted out..Total Disintrest. It
s only when its on peoples own doorsteps that they take notice.Mind the government are fucking with us every day and in every way but other than moaning, the majority just take it and get on with their lives.So we should'nt be suprised that people are'nt interested in this.

Anders Lindman

14-08-2008, 02:02 AM

Ive never thought of a nation being more important then a person. Its only people that matter.Its a pity the leaders of our nations dont feel the same way.

I have been thinking that nations are not that important, but it was just today that I really grokked it. The mistake I have made is to think of a nation as a collection of people. That's completely false! And it is probably exactly that idea that the elite somehow have managed to hammer into people.

Nations are not made of people, no more than a language is made of people.

A nation is like a club. Like for example a club for people who collect stamps. The funny thing is that people often say: "I am willing to die for my country", but we rarely ever hear anybody saying; "I am willing to die for my stamp collectors club", even though they are both clubs in a way. A nation like Russia for example is of course a very, very big 'club' but the principle is the same.

dangermouse

14-08-2008, 02:23 AM

Georgia accuses Russia of breaking truce (http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0813/georgia.html)
Wednesday, 13 August 2008 20:33

Russia is denying claims that it is continuing military operations inside Georgia, in violation of an EU-brokered ceasefire.

Amid numerous claims and counter claims, Georgia said Russian armour and soldiers had been seen inside the Georgian city of Gori, several kilometres from the border with South Ossetia.

However this was denied by Russia, which said it had set up two checkpoints near an an abandoned ammunition depot outside the town.
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Russia's far greater military might has been evident against Georgia, which last Thursday launched an unsuccessful strike to try to retake the breakaway region of South Ossetia, provoking retaliation from Moscow.

Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili has already accused Russian forces of violating a ceasefire with troop movements around the country.

In comments broadcast by Georgian television, he insisted that Russian forces were continuing operations in Georgia despite the ceasefire.

Russia says 1,600 civilians died during the violence in South Ossetia, though the figure has not been independently verified.

Moscow's General Staff says it lost 74 soldiers in the fighting, with 171 wounded and 19 missing. Tbilisi puts its death toll at over 175, with hundreds injured. That figure does not include South Ossetia.

Meanwhile, US President George Bush says he is concerned about the reports of continuing Russian military actions.

He told a news conference Russia 'must keep its word and act to end the crisis.' He also said he was sending Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to Paris and then to Tbilisi for urgent talks.

EU foreign ministers agree on peacekeeping

Separately, foreign ministers have agreed on the EU's role in peacekeeping in Georgia.

The draft statement says that the council believes the EU must be ready to play a role, also on the ground, to support all the efforts, including those of the UN and the OSCE, for a peaceful and lasting resolution of the conflicts in Georgia.

The ministers were debating what consequences to draw from the conflict between Russia and Georgia over South Ossetia after EU president France brokered a peace plan to end the fighting.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy's diplomatic success may make it easier for the EU to set aside deep differences over who to blame for the war in the breakaway Georgian region, although some member states were expected to seek symbolic sanctions against Moscow.

The conflict again highlighted EU divisions over how to deal with Russia which have dogged ties with Moscow since the bloc's eastward enlargement to embrace ex-communist central European states in 2004.

Poland and the Baltic states, wary of a resurgent Russia using its muscle to dominate neighbours, have condemned what they call Moscow's aggression against Georgia and wanted the EU to take a tough line.

Irish Rapid Reaction Corps on standby

Ireland has told its EU colleagues that members of its Rapid Reaction Corps are on standby to travel to Georgia to help assist in the humanitarian crisis there.

The Government has also said it will contribute €100,000 to the Red Cross to help its humanitarian operations in the region.

The announcement was made by Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs, Peter Power, as the special meeting of EU foreign ministers on the crisis in South Ossetia came to an end.

Mr Power said EU member states had emphatically and unanimously endorsed the peace initiative led by the French Presidency, and agreed to by the Georgian and Russian governments.

He said the plan would provide a basis for more meaningful negotiations to take place. He added that on another level, it showed how the EU and Europe acting with one voice could be a powerful actor on the world stage.

He said the view at the meeting was that the EU should not get involved in apportioning blame. He also said the possibility of EU peace monitors travelling to the region was only briefly discussed.

Mr Power said the meeting also addressed the issue of how best to get humanitarian aid into the region.
So Irish troops will be there too .. nasty

Anders Lindman

14-08-2008, 02:59 AM

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/mad_tea_party.jpg

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pheony

14-08-2008, 10:29 AM

I have been thinking that nations are not that important, but it was just today that I really grokked it. The mistake I have made is to think of a nation as a collection of people. That's completely false! And it is probably exactly that idea that the elite somehow have managed to hammer into people.

Nations are not made of people, no more than a language is made of people.

A nation is like a club. Like for example a club for people who collect stamps. The funny thing is that people often say: "I am willing to die for my country", but we rarely ever hear anybody saying; "I am willing to die for my stamp collectors club", even though they are both clubs in a way. A nation like Russia for example is of course a very, very big 'club' but the principle is the same.

What you've said really makes sense.

Anders Lindman

14-08-2008, 12:36 PM

What you've said really makes sense.

And here is another thing: money is more important than nations. I'm not entirely sure about this idea yet, but imagine that we ask people: "If you had to choose between keeping your country and become dirt-poor (having to live like a homeless bum) for the rest of your life or keep having enough money but lose your country, what would you choose?" My guess is that most people would choose money over their country in this case.

dangermouse

14-08-2008, 01:25 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MdFDwerkfg

Saakasvhili .. No Cease Fire

He also claims that russia is stealing furniture and toilet seats of Georgian citizens lol

pheony

14-08-2008, 02:42 PM

And here is another thing: money is more important than nations. I'm not entirely sure about this idea yet, but imagine that we ask people: "If you had to choose between keeping your country and become dirt-poor (having to live like a homeless bum) for the rest of your life or keep having enough money but lose your country, what would you choose?" My guess is that most people would choose money over their country in this case.

Very interesting question. Ive asked a couple of people what they would choose and they both said 'money'. Maybe if we were not so privaliged and lived a more natural life eg.. like a lost tribe, our community or Nation would fight for its very existence, money would have no place, only the people and their identity would matter.

steevo

14-08-2008, 02:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MdFDwerkfg

Saakasvhili .. No Cease Fire

He also claims that russia is stealing furniture and toilet seats of Georgian citizens lol

President Saakasvhili speaks VERY good English doesnt he :rolleyes: He is "good friends" with Bush "and was just speaking to him". He wants "America" come to the rescue. Saakasvhili is definitely a dodgy character. Similar to Sarkozy. Both Illuminati puppets. Anyway, how come the "Georgian" President is safe and well ? Where is he speaking from ? The Russian should go for him and then the Illuminati and all the other war mongerers.

From what is reported (and not reported) in the mainstream media, it's as if America didnt actually expect the attack by Russia and therefore are distancing themselves from it, FOR NOW at least. The mainstream media doesnt SEEM to want to accept that it's America's job to sort this out. But maybe the mainstream media are just feeding us that particular line in order to shape our thinking. Time will tell.

America could nuke Georgia and the blame the Russians, and everyone would believe it. Just a thought.

Thanks for posting DM.

That interview confirms that President Saakasvhili is an Illuminati puppet.

cleopatraxxx

14-08-2008, 02:45 PM

I smell a set up in the works...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402982,00.html

Speaking from the White House Rose Garden with Defense Secretary Bob Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Bush said the aid mission will be "vigorous and ongoing." He warned Russia not to interfere.

"We expect Russia to honor its commitment to let in all forms of humanitarian assistance. We expect Russia to insure that all lines of communication and transport, including seaports, airports, roads and airspace, remain open for the delivery of humanitarian assistance and for civilian transit," Bush said.

The president's announcement was reportedly interpreted by Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, a close ally of the United States, to mean that the U.S. military would be taking control of Georgia's ports, but the Pentagon denied that was the case.

he does what he pleases and all the rest must obey! bush i mean

i wonder, attacking IRAQ was not a problem and this ordering to the russians to allow HUMANITARIAN AID?!?!?!?!?!

THIS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

steevo

14-08-2008, 02:49 PM

Very interesting question. Ive asked a couple of people what they would choose and they both said 'money'. Maybe if we were not so privaliged and lived a more natural life eg.. like a lost tribe, our community or Nation would fight for its very existence, money would have no place, only the people and their identity would matter.

"If you had to choose between keeping your country and become dirt-poor (having to live like a homeless bum) for the rest of your life or keep having enough money but lose your country, what would you choose?"

Yeah but that is an irrelevent question to ask people IN MY OPINION. The question suggests that we only have 2 options and it also sugests that the options are "either/or". It's a "straw man" argument ( I think that is the correct term).
"Money" and "Nation" are BOTH an illusion. There are also other illusions to choose from besides those:D

mightiswrong

14-08-2008, 03:00 PM

"RUSSIA TO BECOME AN ECOVILLAGE NATION?, By William Kotke
Monday, 04 February 2008

Vladimir Putin has indicated full support of Dmitriy Medvedev for the post of President of the Russian Federation. Medvedev, who is presently First Deputy Prime Minister has indicated enthusiastic support for the concept of eco-villages. Medvedev will be the candidate of the Edinaya Rossiya Party.

Medvedev expressed his support of the concept of eco-villages in a March 5, 2007 online conference organized by the newspaper Izvestia and the internet portal Yandex and broadcast by TV channel "Vesti-24." During the interview the host suggested that the outlook of the nation is shifting. Medvedev replied, "Yes, and [the] psychology is changing too. People feel themselves in a completely different way."

The host stated that the question of eco-villages was brought up because he had received 5,000 emails from supporters of the "Kin Domains" concept before the show asking about the plan to give each Russian family a hectare of public land to create a Kin Domain and the allowance for them to be organized into eco-villages.

The idea of "Kin Domains," greatly expands, in time and space, the tradition of families having a rural plot, called dachas, where they relax in the summer and grow gardens. The idea has grown out of a series of books by Vladimir Megre which feature the contemporary Russian-Siberian eco-mystic, Anastasia. ( www.ringingcedars.com )

http://carolynbaker.net/site/images/community%20garden.jpgThe Anastasia eco-spiritual movement has organized in most major Russian cities and has its own political party that is aligned with the parties supporting Putin. The books have also sparked eco-village organizing in many countries in Asia, Eastern Europe, Western Europe and the english speaking countries. The basic idea of the Kin Domain is for each family to live self-sufficiently on their domain using Permaculture concepts, while those that choose, can organize their plots into eco-villages that feature crafts and local production.

LAND OFFERED

Medvedev speaks of the district of Belgorod Oblast, near the Ukraine border that he has visited, where political moves are already under way toward arranging land for this idea in that area.
"Thus the idea of Kin's Domains in this regard is absolutely positive and it is related to the idea of low-rise construction. By the way, those processes are going quite well in some regions. Let's take, for example, the Belgorod oblast. I happened to drop by into one of the offices with the Governor. This office is in charge of registration of paperwork for the land and I was surprised in a good way by the price for land. Not too much, not one hectar yet. However, enough for building projects. They offered about 2500 sq.m, if I'm not mistaken. And the price for this land in today's Russia sounds almost "funny" - something around 10-15 thousand roubles ($300-$400 USD). So one can get such piece of land but on certain terms and conditions: within 5 years there must be a house build there. And for three years this house can't be sold not to allow any profiteering."

One Russian journalist spotlights the distinction of the concept from simply being a "farmer."

"The Siberians use the term "kin's domain" to emphasize the distinction between these estates and the usual cottage settlements. This is not a field that developers have carved up into parcels of 10 or 20 ares and begun to build luxury homes to order for city folk, these are not farmers' residences existing solely for the purpose of profit from agriculture, but precisely domains, in which a large family can arrange its way of life according to its own taste." Tatiana Burdakova, Rossiyskaya gazeta, 4 October 2007."

During the interview, Medvedev indicated to the supporters that he understood the deeper meaning of the Kin Domains. He said, "Of course, I know them. Moreover, if you do not take into account some elements, related to how those questions take shape and what first, second and third level of sense they have, the whole idea of kin's domains as it has been worded here is positive in general."

In his statement of support, Putin said about Medvedev, "There is no shame and no fear involved in transferring the primary reins for the running of the country, the fate of Russia, into the hands of a person like this."

William H. Kotke, author of the books, Garden Planet: The Present Phase Change of the Human Species ( www.gardenplanetbook.com ) and The Final Empire: The Collapse of Civilization and the Seed of the Future ( www.thefinalempirebook.com )."
http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/313/

plonker

14-08-2008, 05:44 PM

Century VI - 44
Of night by Nantes The Iris will appear,
Of marine arts will raise up rain,
Arabique gulf great fleet to flounder,
In Saxe a monster will be born of a bear and a sow.

Nantes = neant ( nothingness - nil - zero)
nuff said

simplify

14-08-2008, 05:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MdFDwerkfg

Saakasvhili .. No Cease Fire

He also claims that russia is stealing furniture and toilet seats of Georgian citizens lol

I tried to watch the vid, but it says that"We're sorry, this video in longer available" I wonder if it has been deliberately removed, and why?

klinker

14-08-2008, 05:53 PM

An interesting article on the Georgia situation.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20478.htm

danster82

14-08-2008, 05:59 PM

The obviousness of the propaganda we are receiving is quite scary as it is so obvious that the powers that be are deliberately in the process right now of escalating a world war. We are not being given objective news reports like a media should do we are given a total biased opinion identical to the type of news America is receiving and theres a totally different opinion being feed to Russia and China as we know. But as we also know there is one hand behind both opinions and they are pushing hard to escalate this war.

This is serious business to create conflict between nations that all poses the bomb, these people are mad we need to simply say no this is a staged event and you are not getting our energy.

simplify

14-08-2008, 06:11 PM

Has anyone else tried to watch the vid posted above by Dangermouse" ? If its working where you are could you post and let me know?

synergy777

14-08-2008, 06:16 PM

us naval assistance, they moved their ships in quite quickly, where were they stationed/docked before the conflict, or is it foreknowledge?

steevo

14-08-2008, 06:29 PM

Has anyone else tried to watch the vid posted above by Dangermouse" ? If its working where you are could you post and let me know?

It still works for me Simplify. Here is a direct link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MdFDwerkfg

It's a video definitely worth watching.

simplify

14-08-2008, 06:43 PM

It still works for me Simplify. Here is a direct link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MdFDwerkfg

It's a video definitely worth watching.

Thanks Steeveo:)

OMG....I clicked on the URL above Steevo and the screen came up with a message that "the vid is not available in my country" which is Canada. anyone know why this would be. I thought You Tube is all across the globe....(sorry not up on computer knowledge)

Anders Lindman

14-08-2008, 06:44 PM

Rush Limbaugh said today that the war is about oil and that Russia is trying to put into place a Russia-controlled puppet regime in Georgia to get control over the pipelines. I think Limbaugh is correct here.

Unless Sarkozy and the EU bureaucrats have planned a very tricky stunt to secure the oil supply via Georgia, but that is perhaps a too far-fetched conspiracy theory.

Anders Lindman

14-08-2008, 07:47 PM

Unless Sarkozy and the EU bureaucrats have planned a very tricky stunt to secure the oil supply via Georgia, but that is perhaps a too far-fetched conspiracy theory.

Well, maybe that is not so a far-fetched theory after all. The U.S. government is perhaps more of a competitor to the EU than Russia. Russia already has a lot of oil, while the U.S. hasn't enough. The USD is in competition with the Euro. Sarkozy perhaps fooled the Bush administration by signing a less than solid to say the least cease-fire agreement with puppet Medvedev while Putin was in Georgia looking after the war. The EU maybe feels threatened by having the U.S. controlling the pipelines going through Georgia to Europe, because the U.S. government can use that to put pressure on the EU. And therefore Sarkozy, the Georgian president and Russia all conspire together against the U.S.

Anders Lindman

14-08-2008, 08:05 PM

And therefore Sarkozy, the Georgian president and Russia all conspire together against the U.S.

Why would then Georgia's president allow the U.S. military to help the so much and for so long? The answer: to learn more about how the U.S. military operates and other valuable information.

Why would Russia cooperate with the EU? Answer: to achieve a win-win situation where the EU gets rid of the U.S. pressure and Russia can get control over Georgia.

pheony

14-08-2008, 08:12 PM

Why would then Georgia's president allow the U.S. military to help the so much and for so long? The answer: to learn more about how the U.S. military operates and other valuable information.

Why would Russia cooperate with the EU? Answer: to achieve a win-win situation where the EU gets rid of the U.S. pressure and Russia can get control over Georgia.

Do you think this is about the demise of America.

lizzy

14-08-2008, 08:16 PM

I do pheony , destroyed by design....

themime

14-08-2008, 08:22 PM

Do you think this is about the demise of America.

I still figure more the rise of the EU and a new isolationist age of America (Maybe even the formation of the NAU).

Anders Lindman

14-08-2008, 08:26 PM

Do you think this is about the demise of America.

No. I guess (if my outrageous conspiracy theory is correct) that it's about trying to break the U.S. military dominance. After all, the U.S. military has its fingers in a lot of pies and they seem to have no (at least not the current Bush administration) wish to lessen their control over regions all over the world and instead want more and more control, and therefore that opens up risks for other nations starting to conspire together against the U.S. since it has become in many eyes a too dominant power in the world.

lizzy

14-08-2008, 08:31 PM

Bush And His Zionist Pals -
Stupid Is As Stupid Does
By Karl Schwarz
8-9-8

I was wondering why Vladimir Putin was representing Russia at the Opening Ceremonies of the Olympic Games. Within minutes, the news broke that Russia had moved an armored division into South Ossetia and Russian jets were pounding targets in Georgia.

Oops. There goes another Bush Pipedream up in smoke.

Of course, the Western Zionist media reported only the US/Zionist/CIA and Georgia side of what happened. Russia did NOT attack, Russia responded to an attack on Russian peacekeepers that killed 10 and injured more. Russia has also moved to protect Russian citizens who live in South Ossetia.

America, if you want to avert a major war you need to turn off the TV, get on the telephone and rock DC to its stupid evil core.

Call your Congressman, call both Senators and make it clear to them that YOU, AMERICA, WILL NOT TOLERATE AN ATTACK ON IRAN OR ANY MORE SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN. STAND DOWN...or get ready to pay the Zionist pipers, bigtime.

Zionist/BigOil/BushCo is desperate because it has accomplished NOTHING since 9-11 but pile up lies, debt, destroy and loot America, and commit mass genocide and war crimes.

By the stroke of a pen, Russia has taken over most of the entire Caspian Basin area's natural gas. Since I last reported on that - and Gazprom also cutting a major deal with Venezuela - Gazprom has now entered the Ireland market in force while BushCo is yet to acheive anything but one useless photo op after another, one lie after another, and one failure after another...militarily and diplomatically.

One of the reasons this new 'international' (oh, please) naval armada of FOUR US nuclear-powered carrier (floating coffin) strike forces is headed to the Persian Gulf area is supposedly a rotation of US carrier groups. The other reason is the BushCo/Big Oil/Zionists banksters intend to slap a naval embargo on Iran to try to knuckle them under to Zionist demands.

That is a MONUMENTALLY STUPID plan, so read on and I will explain why it is so.

Such an insane blunder will set the stage for a military confrontation between the US/UK and Russia/China.

Folks, that is Two Superpowers against One Superpower and a wannabe, has-been. The French contribution to that armada does not matter. Going to WAR without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion.

Do not email these sleazy morons in DC, they delete most on the spot. Using email to contact those whores is just another cheap trick to keep you thinking they give a rat's ass about what you and the American pubic thinks.

Intead - Call the bastards, send them faxes but do not waste precious time emailing those lying DC dirtbags.

Make your voice known LOUD AND CLEAR DO NOT ATTACK IRAN! DO NOT PUT UP WITH ANY ZIONIST JEW ISRAELI ATTACK ON IRAN!

Read on and you will understand why.

The world is at a very, VERY dangerous stage right now and the perpetrators are the US, UK and Israel. Iran, Russia and China have demonstrated a remarkable level of restraint...but that is now past. The Bear is fully-aroused and pissed. The Chinese have had it with Junior's vile insults and the Zionist efforts to threaten their vital oil and gas deals in Iran and the Caspian.

These people are not kidding; the US liars and gangsters are not going to get their way...on anything.

If you have been keeping up with the news out of the Caspian Basin area, Georgia attacked South Ossetia and killed 10 Russian peacekeepers. South Ossetia wishes to be part of Russia again, not part of Western/CIA/Zionist influenced Georgia. Many of the people in South Ossetia are Russian citizens and Russia has moved to protect them. And Russia is 100% morally-justified in doing so.

Current news reports as of noon Central Europe Time indicate that about 1,500 are dead in South Ossetia, some of them are Russian citizens who live there, not the Russian military forces that have been moved in.

Remember well, America, that Bush's Black, Gap-Toothed Poodle, Candy Rice, was recently in Georgia while Bush was at the G8 meetings. She pledged her support for Georgia and NATO membership...for a nation that is nowhere CLOSE to Europe.

BushCo is desperate to get a pipeline through Georgia to the Black Sea. That is one of the few routes they have out of the Caspian Basin's landlocked oil and gas deals.

Georgia attacked, killed 10 Russian peacekeepers and now several thousand residents of South Ossetia have been killed and wounded. The Russian response was swift and empathetic. The Russian Bear is ANGRY and this Idiot BushCo plan is not going to be tolerated any longer.

Russia moved immediately and put an armored division in South Ossetia and Russian jet fighters pounded targets in Georgia. Military operations continued into Saturday on this side of the world with Russian jets obliterating more targets in Georgia including an entire military base at Gori, Georgia.

The Georgia oil port of Poti has apparently also been destroyed by Russian jets.

http://www.beurs.nl/nieuws/artikel.php?id=268268&taal=US

Moscow is also sending in even more tanks for peace enforcement. All America heard was the handpicked Zionist President of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili, whining that the Big Bully Russia was attacking poor little Georgia with 'aggression.' They are NOT admitting it was the US and Georgia who started things.

Pay attention THE RUSSIAN BEAR IS MAD...AND IT CHARGED WHEN IT WAS ATTACKED. Russia did NOT start this crap - George W Bush, Zionists and Mikheil Saakashvili did.

As of 12:15pm Central Europe Time, the Kremlin has made an announcement that they have 'no territorial aims' regarding Georgia. They have moved to protect South Ossetia and Russian citizens who live there and Russia has made it clear that it means business.

It is MORE than blatantly obvious/odious that BushCo planned this to coincide with the Opening Ceremonies of China's 2008 Beijin Olympics. That way, Bush could be in Beijing and appear to have nothing to do with Georgia starting another 'Bush Dirty Diaper Op.' Trust me, folks, this has turned into another soiled Bush Diaper already, and Russia is not going to back up or back down. The BushCo perps are feeling for their first time what Russian military might looks like and feels like.

Putin, Medvedev and the Russian military have warned the EU and the US many, many times STOP pushing EU and NATO membership to our borders. No one in the EU, NATO, London or Washington DC bothered to listen or take the Russians seriously enough.

Just this morning while America slept, Russia has moved in more armor, more airstrikes into Georgia and the EU is panicking. This time Bush went too far, and even the UN is having fits trying to draft a letter that is acceptable to all parties asking for a cease fire.

When the USSR broke up, Russia withdrew, pay attention, withdrew 80 armored divisions from Europe and former CIS states. The US does not have 80 armored divisions ANYWHERE.

The Russian response to the lunatic Bush 'Defensive' Missile Shield is they are now putting deadly Russian missiles in place to take out Junior's skyrockets.

Where this has now passed the Stuck-on-Stupid phase - even by Bush Standards of Stupidity - is that the BushCo Zionists are STILL trying to scheme and plot and lie so they can justify an attack on IRAN.

The US recently announced that it may close the Strait of Hormuz...so Iran cannot export its oil, gas and petrochemicals. A blockade of Iran.

You can be absolutely certain that CHINA is not going to tolerate that. Iran is supplying it oil and liquefied natural gas under a $400 billion contract and Iran also supplies India, Indonesia, Malaysia and most of the Pacific Rim with its oil and LNG. Much of the energy needs of the EU, in fact, comes from Iran. I know for a fact that Austria gets 25% of its energy supplies from Iran, hence, it is not backing the BushCo/Zionist plan to attack Iran.

Many in the EU are going to bolt because much of the oil and natural gas to the EU comes from Iran.

Even Angela Merkel-Schmerkel is whining about someone in her government cutting an important natural gas deal with Iran. Not hard to understand why. Germany needs the natural gas but now Schmerkel has to explain herself to her Zionist Masters...a little tricky after she went to Israel and groveled before the Israeli Knesset parliament. Yeah, I can almost hear her now: "Germany supports Zionist desires to attack Iran and save the world from Iranian nukes. And, oh, by the way, Germany is so very sorry for the (Holohoax) Holocaust.'

The German people were livid at her groveling before the Knesset in Tel Aviv. Germany has been on its knees before Zionism since it lost the War.

Listen clearly - No One is going to sit still for a US naval blockade of Iran, NO ONE. Both Russia and China will respond and it will be with force.

Russia has just made it abundantly clear to Georgia what the price is for killing Russians under Lunatic Bush/Zionist Plans.

Russia can easily crush the entire country of Georgia, and will do just that if it does not cease and desist. They are showing the scenes on BBC out of London, RTR Planeta out of Moscow, ProSeiben 7 out of Germany and other television stations. Russia is striking back in force and they are increasing their ability by the hour to put more troops, tanks and jets into position to crush Georgia if that little Bush Ally wants to play hardball with the Russian Bear.

Where this Bush 'shits and giggles' game has now reached the WARNING SIGN is that there are many Russian contractors and Russian technicians at the Iranian Nuclear sites that Bush and Israel wish to bomb.

There is no way to avoid killing or injuring RUSSIANS at those sites in Zionist obsession to take over Iran and destroy it as they have done to IRAQ.

If anyone in America thinks Russia will not, cannot, defend its interests, let the US attack Iran and see how fast Russia and China ram reality up America's butt and down its throat.

Liars, lies and more damned lies - THAT is BushCo and its Zionist criminal co-conspirators in London and Tel Aviv.

UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown, John McCain and Barky Obama have all been in Israel within the past month speaking to the Zionist Knesset parliament, and they have EACH vowed the Official Lie regarding Iran. So did German Chancellor Schmerkel...and enraged the German citizens by her pathetic groveling.

As we have shown without a shadow of a doubt - Iran NEVER made the comment that Israel should be 'wiped off the map' with any form of force. That is a Western Zionist LIE used to start the next war. Ahmadinejad's comment was that REGIME CHANGE is needed in Tel Aviv.

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<http://www.rense.com/general82/tran.htm>http://www.rense.com/general82/tran.htm

As a closing example, the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has been attributed as threatening 'poor little Israel' by stating, quote: "Israel must be wiped off the map."

Well, what did he mean by that? Nothing because the statement was intentionally mistranslated from Farsi to fan Zionist war propaganda against Iran. No one in Iran made such a statement - NO ONE - it's just another Zionist Tel Aviv-UK-US lie to try to start a war.

The full, actual VERBATIM, correct Ahmadinejad quote, translated directly to English from Farsi reads:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

Now, read that again.

Do you get it now? Can you see the ENORMITY of the LIES you are being fed around the clock?

<end insert>

The Farsi word for 'map' is NOT in the statement ANYWHERE. The Farsi word for 'wiped" was NOT in the statement, either. There was no reference to 'WIPED OFF THE MAP' whatsoever in what was said. Get it?

It was not reported anywhere in sufficient detail in the Western Zionist Media what Putin said while meeting the Iranian Government in Tehran months ago. (And surviving yet another CIA/MOSSAD assassination plot).

Putin made it crystal clear that Russia will NOT tolerate ANY attack on Iran from ANY of the Caspian Basin nations, and that includes the new military bases that BushCo has put in those nations under 'no bid' contracts to its buddies.

The Caspian Basin nations of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan got the message loud and clear. Russia is next door, stand down and do not aid and abet the US/Zionist stupidity.

Putin also made it more than clear that 'ANY ATTACK ON IRAN WILL BE VIEWED AS AN ATTACK ON RUSSIAN INTERESTS.' Get it??

I do not care if you have to read that 10 times, get it into that idiot American Sheeple head Russia considers any attack on Iran as an attack on Russia.

Right there is where Americans need to pause at the edge of the abyss and consider whether they want to see the end of America.

That is exactly what is going on in Georgia right now. We can thank the Stupid is as Stupid Does President, George W Bush, for wrapping poor Georgia into yet another Bush Dirty Diaper. People are dying right now in Georgia and Mikheil Saakashvili secured permission from the Georgian Parliament at about 11am Central Europe Time to invoke Martial Law in Georgia.

That is a clear indication of one of two possible things. First, he wants the people off the street so they can focus on survival of Georgia. Secondly, he is bracing himself because Russia is about to roll right OVER Georgia with Russian tanks and air force, and put an end to the Bush idiot plan of taking a pipeline across Georgia.

Mikheil Saakashvili accused Russia of 'aggression against Georgia" ('arf-arf') but has yet failed to admit it was Georgia that killed the 10 Russian peacekeepers. That lunacy had to come from George W Bush and his Zionist 'strategists.'

The Zionist Media does not want Americans to know that. The MSM does not want Americans to know that if there is an attack on Iran, Americans are going to get to see what Russian Fury looks like, up close and personal. The Zionist MSM wants American Sheeple braying and focusing on the 'Official Lies' and not that Russia has made it abundantly clear that the utterly bogus Global War on Terror fraud is OVER.

The gloves are off, the brass knuckles are on, the Russian tanks are rolling and the skies are full of Russian jet fighters.

Here is what DC and Tel Aviv are NOT telling you,America.

Russia does not want Iran to have nuclear missiles. Russia is already making sure Iran is not using its 'legal' nuclear power program for nuclear weapons. That is, in part, WHY Russia has many technicians in Iran at the very facilities that the US, UK and Israel intend to attack. Russian contractors are also building their nuclear facilities, and providing their nuclear power generating technology.

Russia already has this entire matter under control with Iran and the liars in Washington, DC, the liars in London and Tel Aviv do NOT want you to know that.

Again, US and UK and Israel are lying to the world. Nothing remarkable about that...it's just business as usual for these snakes. That is all they do...lie. Americans need to wake up and smell the coffee. Or they will be smelling a huge wars and counting hundreds of thousands...or millions...of dead.

Russia has already made it damned clear: kill a Russian and we will kick your ass up between your shoulder blades. If Bush is not careful and prudent, he is going to be wearing his balls as earrings along with Gordie Brown, little Nicky Sarkozy, and numerous others.

This is not a game, America. BushCo, London and Tel Aviv are lying their asses off yet again, and Russia has made it damned clear that no more crap will be tolerated.

If the US DARES to throw up a naval blockade of Iran and shuts down the Straits, neither Russia nor China will put up with it for a second. Get it?

Now, unless you want to see the United States confronted in WAR with both Russia and China, get off your ass and CALL the bastards in DC, NOW.

Karl

lizzy

14-08-2008, 08:40 PM

No. I guess (if my outrageous conspiracy theory is correct) that it's about trying to break the U.S. military dominance. After all, the U.S. military has its fingers in a lot of pies and they seem to have no (at least not the current Bush administration) wish to lessen their control over regions all over the world and instead want more and more control, and therefore that opens up risks for other nations starting to conspire together against the U.S. since it has become in many eyes a too dominant power in the world.

I think so, the US , is the NWO fall guy, Isreals' patsy.....it 'owns' the US, the US is broke....hollowed out , gone to China.......their stupid cannon fodder still keeping Isreal / US NEO- CON war /oil profits running through their zionist puppet in Georgia, which it is happy to supply arms and support to.

themime

14-08-2008, 08:46 PM

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/08/2008814181417872788.html

Something else to throw into the mix.

pheony

14-08-2008, 08:47 PM

[QUOTE=Anders Lindman;459188]No. I guess (if my outrageous conspiracy theory is correct) that it's about trying to break the U.S. military dominance. After all, the U.S. military has its fingers in a lot of pies and they seem to have no (at least not the current Bush administration) wish to lessen their control over regions all over the world and instead want more and more control, and therefore that opens up risks for other nations starting to conspire together against the U.S. since it has become in many eyes a too d
ominant power in the world.[/QUOT

If this is the case and the Bush administration feels that its dominance is
being called into question, What will it do to try and reassert this dominance? As you say "the U.S. military has its fingers in alot of pies" if they are backed into a corner is a nuke the only way out?

lizzy

14-08-2008, 08:55 PM

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/08/2008814181417872788.html

Something else to throw into the mix. yes, the UN have Poland in their pocket but will the bear allow nukes that close to it's borders , we will see.

That might be the trade.....the bear keeps the pipeline / Georgia and the UN has the nukes close by in Poland.

But the bear is also going to biuld a new pipeline too, it's thought.

Anders Lindman

14-08-2008, 09:01 PM

I think so, the US , is the NWO fall guy, Isreals' patsy.....it 'owns' the US, the US is broke....hollowed out , gone to China.......their stupid cannon fodder still keeping Isreal / US NEO- CON war /oil profits running through their zionist puppet in Georgia, which it is happy to supply arms and support to.

There are likely many people in America who also have become tired of the U.S. military-industrial complex. Hopefully Ron Paul's ideas will be adopted more, that America should still have a strong military defense but not continue an empire-building all around the world. I hope Obama will work more in that direction. McCain maybe also could work in that direction, but I guess Obama is more likely to do that, even though it's difficult to tell how much of military-industrial complex puppets both of them are.

themime

14-08-2008, 09:01 PM

yes, the UN have Poland in their pocket but will the bear allow nukes that close to it's borders , we will see.

That might be the trade.....the bear keeps the pipeline , the UN has the nukes close by.

Putins already stated that if this went ahead he would respond with military action.

pheony

14-08-2008, 09:05 PM

:http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/08/2008814181417872788.html

Something Else To Throw Into The Mix.

:(

lizzy

14-08-2008, 09:06 PM

There are likely many people in America who also have become tired of the U.S. military-industrial complex. Hopefully Ron Paul's ideas will be adopted more, that America should still have a strong military defense but not continue an empire-building all around the world. I hope Obama will work more in that direction. McCain maybe also could work in that direction, but I guess Obama is more likely to do that, even though it's difficult to tell how much of military-industrial complex puppets both of them are.

Most Americans' have no idea what Ron Paul was all about.

America does not need a defensive.It is always the agressor.

All politicians who make it to power are corrupt.

lizzy

14-08-2008, 09:10 PM

Putins already stated that if this went ahead he would respond with military action.
yup, the UN zionistists' are pushing their luck perhaps.

Anders Lindman

14-08-2008, 09:10 PM

If this is the case and the Bush administration feels that its dominance is
being called into question, What will it do to try and reassert this dominance? As you say "the U.S. military has its fingers in alot of pies" if they are backed into a corner is a nuke the only way out?

Hopefully the civilian business world will take over. I think most people like companies like Apple and Google much better than Halliburton and Blackwater. :D

Anders Lindman

14-08-2008, 09:12 PM

Most Americans' have no idea what Ron Paul was all about.

America does not need a defensive.It is always the agressor.

All politicians who make it to power are corrupt.

America needs to still be a bit of the world police I think. Imagine China taking over that role! :eek:

lizzy

14-08-2008, 09:13 PM

Hopefully the civilian business world will take over. I think most people like companies like Apple and Google much better than Halliburton and Blackwater. :D

They ALL do the bidding of the same master. Some just look more benign than others.

pheony

14-08-2008, 09:16 PM

They ALL do the bidding of the same master. Some just look more benign than others.

Thats what i was thinking.

pheony

14-08-2008, 09:21 PM

The Georgian President has just been on the TV again begging the world for help... diplomatic help of course!!

Anders Lindman

14-08-2008, 09:23 PM

They ALL do the bidding of the same master. Some just look more benign than others.

IT companies like Microsoft, Apple and Google probably have some deals with NSA and CIA for example, but they have absolutely most of their business having to do with the civilian world. They are more involved with legal battles with armies of lawyers endlessly attacking each other than actual military wars.

themime

14-08-2008, 09:24 PM

They ALL do the bidding of the same master. Some just look more benign than others.

It's like being in a cinema run by a serial killer, you know that he wants you dead but by watching the film he's showing you may be able to figure out when he's going to pounce.

lizzy

14-08-2008, 09:30 PM

America needs to still be a bit of the world police I think. Imagine China taking over that role! :eek:

But Anders, THAT is EXACTLY what the NWO is about,..... handing that exploitive 'job' on. China has the obedient manpower and money.

lizzy

14-08-2008, 09:34 PM

It's like being in a cinema run by a serial killer, you know that he wants you dead but by watching the film he's showing you may be able to figure out when he's going to pounce.

LOL, I like that.:D.........

pheony

14-08-2008, 09:42 PM

it's Like Being In A Cinema Run By A Serial Killer, You Know That He Wants You Dead But By Watching The Film He's Showing You May Be Able To Figure Out When He's Going To Pounce.

Lol:d

Anders Lindman

14-08-2008, 09:52 PM

But Anders, THAT is EXACTLY what the NWO is about,..... handing that exploitive 'job' on. China has the obedient manpower and money.

I'm not sure how real the Orwellian NWO plan is, but for sure, there seems no doubt to be some nasty people at the top of power pyramid. Take the 911 attack for example. What is needed is to chop off the nasty capstone of the power pyramid. Even most of the entire U.S. military-industrial complex is probably not the problem. The problem is more likely a small shadow group pulling the strings from behind the public scene.

Anders Lindman

14-08-2008, 11:01 PM

pheony

14-08-2008, 11:05 PM

I heard on the Alex Jones show a speech with Georgia's president saying: "It's about the future of Europe and a New World Order"

WTF?! Why did Georgia's president use the term 'New World Order'?! :confused::eek::eek::eek:

Yes i think i heard that as well. Just goes to show, he's up to his neck in it.

steevo

14-08-2008, 11:08 PM

I heard on the Alex Jones show a speech with Georgia's president saying: "It's about the future of Europe and a New World Order"

WTF?! Why did Georgia's president use the term 'New World Order'?! :confused::eek::eek::eek:

It's getting very wierd all this now. It's as if President Saakashvili is trying to persuade Bush to join in the war but for some reason Bush isnt doing it AT THE MOMENT OR is he ?!!!!

pheony

14-08-2008, 11:23 PM

It's getting very wierd all this now. It's as if President Saakashvili is trying to persuade Bush to join in the war but for some reason Bush isnt doing it AT THE MOMENT OR is he ?!!!!

your right, although the way he's coming across to me is 'DESPERATE' to get anyone who 'cares' to get involved in this. Bush might be biding his time so he has the perfect excuse to do something. Im baffled mainly because it all looks so orchestrated.

dangermouse

14-08-2008, 11:41 PM

Thanks Steeveo:)

OMG....I clicked on the URL above Steevo and the screen came up with a message that "the vid is not available in my country" which is Canada. anyone know why this would be. I thought You Tube is all across the globe....(sorry not up on computer knowledge)
Yeah but it can be baned in police states like china and canada :p
or else they they think Canadians wont fall for such garbage :D

Anders Lindman

15-08-2008, 12:11 AM

Yes i think i heard that as well. Just goes to show, he's up to his neck in it.

Definitely. Listen to Saakashvili from about 1:02 in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAboHZBy28s

Georgia's president clearly says 'New World Order'. I find that very strange. I haven't heard any top politician using that term for quite a while.

pheony

15-08-2008, 12:18 AM

Definitely. Listen to Saakashvili from about 1:02 in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAboHZBy28s

Georgia's president clearly says 'New World Order'. I find that very strange. I haven't heard any top politician using that term for quite a while.

Well done, thought i had heard it. NWO my ass, he's not going to be getting any order for a long time. He's been used.

Anders Lindman

15-08-2008, 12:22 AM

Im baffled mainly because it all looks so orchestrated.

Yep, I too get a Wag the Dog feeling about how the war is presented in media. Not least because two Swedish journalists traveled on a road in Georgia at a time when Russian military was supposed to use that road and the only thing they saw was a few civilian cars. They didn't see any real signs of a war going on. :confused:

http://www.chrisboardmanmusic.com/samples/tempsamples/images/Wag%20The%20Dog.jpg

mercuryrapids

15-08-2008, 12:27 AM

US and Poland sign defence deal (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7561926.stm)

[...]
Correspondents say the deal is expected to heighten tension between the US and Russia, which has condemned the plans.

Moscow has said the project would upset the military balance in Europe and warned it would have no choice but to point its own missiles at the installations.

Relations between Washington and Moscow are currently strained over Russia's involvement in the conflict in Georgia.

[..]

:(

tyler

15-08-2008, 12:31 AM

I haven't commented here for some time but I have been reading all the posts. I have to say I am a tad suspicious of some of the major posters here and their lack of knowledge about the overall situation or their possible mis-information.
How can any of us take seriously sombody who claims to be a fan of that idiot Rush Limbaugh?

Nobody has yet mentioned George Sorus. He paid for the Rose revolution five years ago and now most of the puppet government in Georgia are men who used to work for the Sorus Foundation or are Israelis. The same in Ukraine.

Only Mossad and Blackwater are vicious enough to deliberately slaughter thousands of men, women and children to kick start this war. Snipers have been used to pick off individual civilians and cause terror.
There are also at least a thousand Israeli "advisers" in Georgia. The Zionists are running Georgia and the Ukraine and Hungary. The pipeline that is being discussed is to bring oil to Israel. Israel would control the oil flow and would be a major oil dealer in the world as well as supplying the world with pornography, prostitutes and drugs.

Might I suggest reading what Larouche has to say on all of this....

http://www.larouchepac.com/

pheony

15-08-2008, 12:37 AM

Yep, I too get a Wag the Dog feeling about how the war is presented in media. Not least because two Swedish journalists traveled on a road in Georgia at a time when Soviet military was supposed to use that road and the only thing they saw was a few civilian cars. They didn't see any real signs of a war going on. :confused:

http://www.chrisboardmanmusic.com/samples/tempsamples/images/Wag%20The%20Dog.jpg

Yes its very strange. Im sure that as time goes on things will become alot clearer.

pheony

15-08-2008, 12:55 AM

tyler

15-08-2008, 01:32 AM

mightiswrong

15-08-2008, 01:51 AM

The propaganda is amazing. The Georgian president is accusing the russians of ethnic cleansing on sky news (very repetatively). Check russia today and the Georgians are accused of genocide. http://www.livenewscameras.com/

pheony

15-08-2008, 02:31 AM

No, I disagree, some of us are very well aware of what is going on. Read all the available news coming out. Read the background. Read the history. Read about what happened months ago or years ago in the region. Study the other areas of conflict. Chechnya, Serbia, Kosovo.

The information is out there. Get informed and make your own minds up.

History teaches us that wars have always been used to deal with uncontrollable financial upheavals. We are heading for a major crash far worse than 1929. Get those wheelbarrows ready for wheeling your cash down to the grocery store to buy bread and milk.

With all due respect you hav'nt told me anything i dont already know. Your assuming that certain people who are making comments on this hav'nt done their homework. Im sure that many hav'nt, just as im sure many have. but as i said before,only the instigaters of this will be in full command of the facts. You, me and other people can only make 'assumptions 'as to what are the true facts. Yes, history does teach us that wars are used in times of uncontrollable financial upheavels and i completly agree with you on that, but remember history is also built on lies,which is why none of us will propably ever know the real truth.

fedora

15-08-2008, 03:09 AM

If this in fact is another attempt to start a conflict along side the others already in progress it is a very sloppy attempt at best. Given the different "facts" presented by the news media it is amazing how ignorant the puppet masters really are. You would think they could lessen the insult to our intelligence by at least coming up with better cover stories. It will be instersting to see the reaction from the general population if they try and sell us another major conflict. Maybe they really think we are that ignorant. Or at this point maybe they could care less because they feel no one will come forward even if they are the wiser.

peachped

15-08-2008, 03:28 AM

Fox news.

A ( coached?) 12 year old girl tells her story...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

Anders Lindman

15-08-2008, 06:10 AM

Fox news.

A ( coached?) 12 year old girl tells her story...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hnY0Cnad1c

steevo

15-08-2008, 12:49 PM

Fox news.

A ( coached?) 12 year old girl tells her story...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

This is WIERD! The people who are being interviewed ON FAUX NEWS are saying that the Georgian President is to blame! Which APPEARS to be the TRUTH :confused: The plot thickens.

steevo

15-08-2008, 01:03 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hnY0Cnad1c

It COULD be all fake, I mean, how are WE to know what is REALLY happening ? WE DONT. And it co-incides with Bush potentially being impeached. Maybe they dont want that to be reported on the mainstream media. It's POSSIBLE :)

mercuryrapids

15-08-2008, 02:26 PM

I noticed the presenter just had to add at the end that there 'are grey areas in war'. Good on the girl for saying it like it was. Before she made her remarks about the Georgians being responsible for initiating the attack, she was glancing around nervously, as though she had been told not to say anything. Good girl. You tell it like it is.

Anders Lindman

15-08-2008, 02:45 PM

This is WIERD! The people who are being interviewed ON FAUX NEWS are saying that the Georgian President is to blame! We APPEARS to be the TRUTH :confused: The plot thickens.

Yeah, that was strange. Wasn't this FUX News story almost the opposite of what the western media has been saying all the time? :confused:

The lame U.S. reporting of the war and the sluggish response from the Bush administration makes me suspect that the U.S. was taken by surprise. Someone else is wagging the dog this time perhaps, and this latest staged(?) news story by FOX is only a late response.

Anders Lindman

15-08-2008, 03:37 PM

btnh47

15-08-2008, 10:09 PM

Ron paul predicted Georgia Conflict Back in 2002 ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya6JfFK_lYQ

h2pogo

15-08-2008, 10:39 PM

Fox news.

A ( coached?) 12 year old girl tells her story...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

notice how they cut to a commercial break when she started accusing Georgia for starting it.
turn the sound up just before they cut her of.

steevo

15-08-2008, 10:42 PM

Ron paul predicted Georgia Conflict Back in 2002 ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya6JfFK_lYQ

Thanks for posting btnh47

Well that sort of explains alot. It would explain why the Bush is not "helping" the Georgian President (or it APPEARS at least that he is not helping).

Was this interview REALLY from 2002 ?

eternal_spirit

15-08-2008, 10:42 PM

They are just putting their own people into power (the oil merchants to run the pipeline) that's all it is nothing more will come of this, relax. :)

It's the Zionists

pheony

15-08-2008, 10:52 PM

Thanks for posting btnh47

Well that sort of explains alot. It would explain why the Bush is not "helping" the Georgian President (or it APPEARS at least that he is not helping).

Was this interview REALLY from 2002 ?
You scratch my back comes to mind

steevo

15-08-2008, 11:01 PM

You scratch my back comes to mind

It does.

In that case, the good thing about this situation would be that people (and their leaders MAYBE) in certain countries are not gonna believe the Americans when they say that they will come to their rescue if their country is invaded by Russia and that would mean that those countries may as well pull their troops out of Iraq and Afganistan. "You are either with us or against us" - Georgia may as well be against Bush.

I just HOPE that Russia/China get rid of the Illuminati SOMEHOW. That would be a start at least :D But I wouldnt put any money on it unfortunately :( We probably are gonna have to do it ourselves, and we will :)

on the road

15-08-2008, 11:16 PM

oh shit

pheony

15-08-2008, 11:27 PM

It does.

In that case, the good thing about this situation would be that people (and their leaders MAYBE) in certain countries are not gonna believe the Americans when they say that they will come to their rescue if their country is invaded by Russia and that would mean that those countries may as well pull their troops out of Iraq and Afganistan. "You are either with us or against us" - Georgia may as well be against Bush.

I just HOPE that Russia/China get rid of the Illuminati SOMEHOW. That would be a start at least :D But I wouldnt put any money on it unfortunately :( We probably are gonna have to do it ourselves, and we will :)

Your right, hopefully other Countries will see that Bush and co only really get involved if theres something in it for them, and they can take it easily. When it comes to super powers like Russia and China, America treads softly which cant be good if their supposed to be helping to protect other less armed Nations, as you said "Georgia may as well be against Bush" because being with him has'nt helped him at all.

pheony

16-08-2008, 02:05 AM

Here is another conspiracy theory:

A reporter on Russia Today said that the Georgians had a very well-prepared media machine at the start of the war. Maybe both America and Russia were taken by surprise! Sarkozy on the other hand, seemed to have been better prepared than Bush for example. Was the initial attack a conspiracy planned by Georgia together with the EU? Why? To get rid of both Russia and the U.S. of course! Remember the EU flag behind the Georgian president when he made his first(?) speech about the event.

Just been listening to Bob Chapman on the Alex Jones show and he thinks that this conflict has been orchestrated by the EU. America would be involved somewhat but its been more about the EU flexing its muscles. Ukaine and Polish troops are training in America no doubt getting ready to take their place in the one world army. He also said that the target is Russia...No wonder Russia is already threatening Poland because of the missile defence shield. The natural resources in Russia are massive and the EU and co want them.

pheony

16-08-2008, 02:19 AM

As for the Georgia conflict he says its a false flag to get things moving. The catalyst if you like. Makes alot more sense than anything else at the moment.

steevo

16-08-2008, 02:39 AM

As for the Georgia conflict he says its a false flag to get things moving. The catalyst if you like. Makes alot more sense than anything else at the moment.

Yeah it DOES make more sense IMO.
I feel that it's possibily a false flag attack, and that would explain why Bush is pretending not to be interested. He would HAVE TO PRETEND not to be interested in "helping" Georgia, otherwise it would be TOO obvious that it was all staged by Bush. Like I said before, I hope that the Russian Illuminati and the American Illuminati havent planned the whole thing, that would be terrible. I got my fingers crossed that it aint that.

Anyway, I hope this incident is gonna get the Polish people in the UK talking and maybe they will pass on the info to the Brits. Get everyone talking.

steevo

16-08-2008, 02:53 AM

If the Russian want to end these wars, they just need to eliminate the cause, it's simple.
The cause is the Illuminati who put puppets in each of these countries like Georgia, Poland, Britain, France, Germany, America.......etc
Now let's see if Russia sort that problem out. IT'S THE ONLY WAY.
If they dont, then we know SOMETHING isnt quite right with the Russian leaders.

Anders Lindman

16-08-2008, 05:08 AM

Just been listening to Bob Chapman on the Alex Jones show and he thinks that this conflict has been orchestrated by the EU. America would be involved somewhat but its been more about the EU flexing its muscles. Ukaine and Polish troops are training in America no doubt getting ready to take their place in the one world army. He also said that the target is Russia...No wonder Russia is already threatening Poland because of the missile defence shield. The natural resources in Russia are massive and the EU and co want them.

:eek: I listened to the Alex Jones show but I missed that. Plus there was problems with the audio stream. I thought the U.S. was responsible for the missile defense shield in Poland and in other former East European countries. :confused:

But still, Bob Chapman's info is not the same as my conspiracy theory about the EU being responsible which is about Georgia and the EU conspiring together against BOTH Russia and the U.S., a plan to pin Putin/Medvedev against Cheney/Bush to get them both out of Georgia.

At 8-8-8 both Bush and Putin were in China watching the Olympics opening ceremony, but where was Sarkozy? Was he also in China on 8-8-8?

Both Russia and the U.S. seem to have been taken by surprise while Georgia and the EU seem to have a prepared plan about political response plus media reporting.

And isn't it the EU that wrote the cease-fire treaty now signed by the Georgian president? A treaty that is only window dressing?

And isn't the story about Bigfoot in Georgia, U.S. only a diversion story to lead people away from the other 'Georgia' because the U.S. mainframe media hasn't yet worked out a plan about how to handle the problem since they were taken by surprise which is evident considering the lame initial reporting about the event by for example CNN?

btnh47

16-08-2008, 07:14 AM

stelios

16-08-2008, 07:16 AM

In America the so called two party system has been proven to be a sham. Both parties have 99% the same policies. Third party candidates like the Reform Party, The Greens or Libertarians have no chance because they cant even get on the ballot. What kind of democracy is it that only lets you have a choice between COKE and PEPSI?

Georgia, Ukraine, etc have all been taken over. Let me give you an example. Did you know that in Poland the Guy who was the President is the brother of the Prime Minister? Even worse than that the Kaczynskis are IDENTICAL TWIN BROTHERS! What country in the world has twins holding both top posts? According to opinion polls only 29% support him and his policy of placing US nukes in Poland.

In Lithuania the leader is an American Valdas Adamkus.

And here are the three stooges together!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Lech_Kaczy%C5%84ski%2C_Mikheil_Saakashvili_and_Val das_Adamkus_in_Tblisi_2007.JPG

Saakashvili was educated in the US at the George Washington University Law School.

The Afghan president's family lived in the US, he was also an employee of George Bush's oil company and a CIA asset. You will be surprised how many leaders worldwide are pre placed assets.

Anders Lindman

16-08-2008, 07:24 AM

Saakashvili was educated in the US at the George Washington University Law School.

Yeah, but check this out:

"He received an LLM from Columbia Law School in 1994 and took classes at The George Washington University Law School the following year. In 1995, he also received a diploma from the International Institute of Human Rights in Strasbourg, France." [my emphasis]

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikheil_Saakashvili

Anders Lindman

16-08-2008, 07:54 AM

http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2007-w39/img.04710_t.jpg

French President Nicolas Sarkozy (2nd L) sits in between Georgia's President Mikhail Saakashvili (2nd R) and French Rugby Federation President Bernard Lapasset (L) as Marseille major Jean Claude Godin talks before the start of the rugby union World Cup Group D match France against Georgia in Marseille September 30, 2007. REUTERS/Martin Bureau/Pool (FRANCE)

pheony

16-08-2008, 10:14 AM

:eek: I listened to the Alex Jones show but I missed that. Plus there was problems with the audio stream. I thought the U.S. was responsible for the missile defense shield in Poland and in other former East European countries. :confused:

But still, Bob Chapman's info is not the same as my conspiracy theory about the EU being responsible which is about Georgia and the EU conspiring together against BOTH Russia and the U.S., a plan to pin Putin/Medvedev against Cheney/Bush to get them both out of Georgia.

At 8-8-8 both Bush and Putin were in China watching the Olympics opening ceremony, but where was Sarkozy? Was he also in China on 8-8-8?

Both Russia and the U.S. seem to have been taken by surprise while Georgia and the EU seem to have a prepared plan about political response plus media reporting.

And isn't it the EU that wrote the cease-fire treaty now signed by the Georgian president? A treaty that is only window dressing?

And isn't the story about Bigfoot in Georgia, U.S. only a diversion story to lead people away from the other 'Georgia' because the U.S. mainframe media hasn't yet worked out a plan about how to handle the problem since they were taken by surprise which is evident considering the lame initial reporting about the event by for example CNN?

Yes of course your right America are responsible for the missile defence systems but they could'nt do it without EU backing. I dont think that America would have been taken by suprise by what has happened, they are to involved. I think America appearing as a peace keeper is a sneaky tactic. Have you noticed how the UK government are keeping quite quiet about this.. up to their necks comes to mind. "The EU writing the cease fire"..funny how the bad guys always appear as the good guys, 'usual tactics'. Perhaps this is about getting rid of Russia, but not America ,not yet anyway.Perhaps thats on the agenda in the future but they need them at the moment.

pheony

16-08-2008, 10:20 AM

deafbred

16-08-2008, 10:21 AM

And isn't the story about Bigfoot in Georgia, U.S. only a diversion story to lead people away from the other 'Georgia' because the U.S. mainframe media hasn't yet worked out a plan about how to handle the problem since they were taken by surprise which is evident considering the lame initial reporting about the event by for example CNN?

thats what I was thinking

deafbred

16-08-2008, 10:25 AM

Anders Lindman

16-08-2008, 10:50 AM

Yes of course your right America are responsible for the missile defence systems but they could'nt do it without EU backing. I dont think that America would have been taken by suprise by what has happened, they are to involved. I think America appearing as a peace keeper is a sneaky tactic. Have you noticed how the UK government are keeping quite quiet about this.. up to their necks comes to mind. "The EU writing the cease fire"..funny how the bad guys always appear as the good guys, 'usual tactics'. Perhaps this is about getting rid of Russia, but not America ,not yet anyway.Perhaps thats on the agenda in the future but they need them at the moment.

America could very well be involved. But it can be interesting to investigate several possibilities. My latest theory is that Georgia has been fooling America all the time. And the EU has also been fooling America. The UK government has been fooled too, and that's why they don't react yet, because since they have been taken by surprise they need time to come up with some clever strategy for how to respond and act.

Take a look at the below picture. The EU leader and the Georgian president are watching a rugby match between Russia and USA battling each other (symbolically speaking - [the real event where this photo was taken was before the start of a rugby union World Cup Group D match France]).

http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2007-w39/img.04710_t.jpg

Also notice how Mikhail Saakashvili is genuinely happy in the photo. Compare with Saakashvili's phony smile in this picture:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Lech_Kaczy%C5%84ski%2C_Mikheil_Saakashvili_and_Val das_Adamkus_in_Tblisi_2007.JPG

Well, you get the picture...

pheony

16-08-2008, 12:09 PM

America could very well be involved. But it can be interesting to investigate several possibilities. My latest theory is that Georgia has been fooling America all the time. And the EU has also been fooling America. The UK government has been fooled too, and that's why they don't react yet, because since they have been taken by surprise they need time to come up with some clever strategy for how to respond and act.

Take a look at the below picture. The EU leader and the Georgian president are watching a rugby match between Russia and USA battling each other (symbolically speaking - [the real event where this photo was taken was before the start of a rugby union World Cup Group D match France]).

http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2007-w39/img.04710_t.jpg

Also notice how Mikhail Saakashvili is genuinely happy in the photo. Compare with Saakashvili's phony smile in this picture:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Lech_Kaczy%C5%84ski%2C_Mikheil_Saakashvili_and_Val das_Adamkus_in_Tblisi_2007.JPG

Well, you get the picture...

If your theory were correct, well the implications dont bear thinking about do they..Scary Stuff.

peachped

16-08-2008, 12:44 PM

'The blatant media bias displayed by the "mainstream" news organizations is more than matched by the shameful cover-up of Georgian atrocities by the mainline "human rights" organizations, first and foremost Human Rights Watch. In the most brazen display of willful ignorance since Walter Duranty overlooked the Soviet gulags, HRW spokeswoman Anna Neistat told the Guardian that Ossetian claims of Georgian atrocities were "suspicious":

"The figure of 2,000 people killed is very doubtful. Our findings so far do not in any way confirm the Russian statistics. On the contrary, they suggest the numbers are exaggerated."...

"She saw the Georgian tanks roll into Tskhinvali, the soldiers shouting 'Hail Saakashvili,' who is the president of Georgia. 'They destroyed the city,' added Inna, 33, who said she could not understand how the Georgian troops 'could do that to civilians.'

"Soldiers shouting 'Hail Saakashvili''?

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13304

Anders Lindman

16-08-2008, 01:02 PM

If your theory were correct, well the implications dont bear thinking about do they..Scary Stuff.

When watching Russia Today I get the impression that Russia hasn't a prepared media plan. Same as CNN and Sky News. France 24 seems layed-backed but they said that the U.S. attempts to boycott Russia will not succeed because the business world is so dependent on Russia, including U.S. business, including oil from Russia.

But one thing my theory doesn't explain is that if the EU really wanted control over Georgia, why not simply make Georgia a member of the EU? :confused: So I guess my theory falls flat on that one, unless there's more to it.

Another possibility is that this is really an NWO plan, with international banksters and so on pulling strings from behind the curtain. :eek:

pheony

16-08-2008, 01:11 PM

When watching Russia Today I get the impression that Russia hasn't a prepared media plan. Same as CNN and Sky News. France 24 seems layed-backed but they said that the U.S. attempts to boycott Russia will not succeed because the business world is so dependent on Russia, including U.S. business, including oil from Russia.

But one thing my theory doesn't explain is that if the EU really wanted control over Georgia, why not simply make Georgia a member of the EU? :confused: So I guess my theory falls flat on that one, unless there's more to it.

Another possibility is that this is really an NWO plan, with international banksters and so on pulling strings from behind the curtain. :eek:

Yes there's so many possible reasons for this, its hard to see 'The wood for the trees'. Perhaps if Georgia was a member of the EU it would make the reason more obvious?

Anders Lindman

16-08-2008, 01:16 PM

Yes there's so many possible reasons for this, its hard to see 'The wood for the trees'. Perhaps if Georgia was a member of the EU it would make the reason more obvious?

I did a quick research about Georgia and the EU. Georgia will easily be able to become an EU member it seems, BUT it will take several years before that can come true. And so Sarkozy is perhaps too impatient for that since the oil supply via Georgia can be threatened in a very near future, and maybe he doesn't trust the U.S. to protect Georgia since there will likely be (and maybe already is) stark competition about oil between the EU and USA. Russia has enough oil, so USA is perhaps a greater potential threat to the EU than Russia is. Just look at the dollar and the euro. Some kind of monetary battle seems to be going on there.

pheony

16-08-2008, 01:24 PM

The news today has said that "Two more people have died from knife crime". Which made me think about how Italy put its troops on the streets just before this Georgia conflict,' because of crime'. Are we going to have troops on the streets very soon for the same reason. Is this in any way tied in with the big picture?

pheony

16-08-2008, 01:27 PM

I did a quick research about Georgia and the EU. Georgia will easily be able to become an EU member it seems, BUT it will take several years before that can come true. And so Sarkozy is perhaps too impatient for that since the oil supply via Georgia can be threatened in a very near future, and maybe he doesn't trust the U.S. to protect Georgia since there will likely be (and maybe already is) stark competition about oil between the EU and USA. Russia has enough oil, so USA is perhaps a greater potential threat to the EU than Russia is. Just look at the dollar and the euro. Some kind of monetary battle seems to be going on there.

Sounds plausible to me.

Anders Lindman

16-08-2008, 01:36 PM

Sounds plausible to me.

And another thing, if the theory is correct, is the question of what role UK plays in this. The UK is tied to both USA and EU. :eek: The UK government hasn't reacted much yet. What move will they make? :confused:

cleopatraxxx

16-08-2008, 02:06 PM

It COULD be all fake, I mean, how are WE to know what is REALLY happening ? WE DONT. And it co-incides with Bush potentially being impeached. Maybe they dont want that to be reported on the mainstream media. It's POSSIBLE :)

i hear about Bush's impeachment to happen since at least 2004 and yet he hasnt been. we all know he and his friends commited loads of crimes, but who is ever going to take any action? all them judges are controlled by the government, so forget impeaching Bush. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN

Regarding the georgian situation, maybe the US acting with Georgia against Russia is not hapenning right now .. can it be because it doesnt politically suit the US due to the elections to hapen soon in their country? we know the elections have always been all manufactured, i mean the results, but the publics reaction, no matter how blind many can be, is still better to avoid at this stage...

anyway ... we will see wait awaits all of us

Anders Lindman

16-08-2008, 02:14 PM

As Alan Watt said, more can be achieved in 5 years of war than 50 years of propaganda manipulation. Let's say that normally, it would take about 5 years to make Georgia a member of the EU. Now with a war, it can be done in half a year! So the purpose of the war is to speed up the process of making Georgia an EU member.

Therefore we should expect Sarkozy to soon make a proposal for immediately allowing Georgia to joint the EU.

and justice for all

16-08-2008, 03:35 PM

Russia signs ceasefire pact
aljazeera.net - Saturday, August 16, 2008

Dmitry Medvedev, Russia's president, has signed a six-point ceasefire deal pledging to end the conflict with Georgia, according to the Kremlin.

A spokesman for the Kremlin said that the final details of the French-drafted pact, which had already been agreed by Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia's president, would be announced later on Saturday. [...]

Andrei Nesterenko, Russian foreign ministry spokesman, told Al Jazeera that Russian forces were carrying out an operation "focused on neutralising the danger which is coming from the huge depots of ammunition and military equipment which have been left by the Georgian army." [...]

LINK:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/08/200881691914691998.html

and justice for all

16-08-2008, 04:30 PM

Six days that broke one country - and reshaped the world order
guardian.co.uk - Saturday August 16 2008

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/08/15/Abkhazian-460x276.jpg
Abkhazian separatist soldiers stand in front of the debris of a Georgian military base in the village of Azhara in Kodori Gorge.

Pity Georgia's bedraggled first infantry brigade. And its second. And its hapless navy. For the past few evenings in the foothills of the Southern Caucasus on the outskirts of Joseph Stalin's hometown of Gori, reconnaissance units of Russia's 58th army have been raking through the spoils of war at what was the Georgian army's pride and joy, a shiny new military base inaugurated only last January for the first infantry, the army engineers, and an artillery brigade.

A couple of hours to the west, in the town of Senaki, it's the same picture. A flagship military base, home to the second infantry brigade, is in Russian hands. And down on the Black Sea coast, the radars and installations for Georgia's sole naval base at Poti have been scrupulously pinpointed by the Russians and destroyed.

Gori and Senaki are not ramshackle relics of the old Red Army of the type that litter the landscape of eastern Europe. "These bases have only recently been upgraded to Nato standard," said Matthew Clements, Eurasia analyst at Jane's Information Group. "They have been operationally targeted to seriously degrade the Georgian military." [...]

The "enormous arsenals" are American-made or American-supplied. American money, know-how, planning, and equipment built these bases as part of Washington's drive to bring Nato membership to a small country that is Russia's underbelly.

The American "train and equip" mission for the Georgian military is six years old. It has been destroyed in as many days. And with it, Georgia's Nato ambitions. [...]

If Georgia and Nato are the principal casualties of this week's ruthless display of brute power by Vladimir Putin, the consequences are bigger still, the fallout immense, if uncertain. The regional and the global balance of power looks to have tilted, against the west and in favour of the rising or resurgent players of the east. [...]

As the Russian officers sat on the American stockpiles of machine guns, ammunition, and equipment in Gori, they were savouring a highly unusual scenario. Not since the Afghan war had the Russians seized vast caches of US weaponry. "People are sick to the stomach in Washington," said a former Pentagon official. And the Russians are giddy with success. [...]

"The war in Georgia has put the European order in question," said Alexander Rahr, one of Germany's leading Russia experts and a Putin biographer. "The times are past when you can punish Russia."

That seems to be the view among leading European policymakers who have been scrambling all week to arrange and shore up a fragile ceasefire, risking charges of appeasing the Kremlin. [...]

In Kiev certainly. Ukraine's pro-western prime minister, Viktor Yushchenko, Saaksahvili's fellow colour-revolutionary, is chastened and wary. His firebrand anti-Russian prime minister, Yuliya Tymoshenko, has gone uncharacteristically quiet.

"An invasion of Ukraine by 'peacekeeping tanks' is just a question of time," wrote Aleksandr Sushko, director of Kiev's Institute of Euro-Atlantic Cooperation. "Weimar Russia is completing its transformation into something else. If Russia wins this war, a new order will take shape in Europe which will have no place for Ukraine as a sovereign state."

All around Russia's rim, the former Soviet "captive states" are trembling. Even Belarus, the slavishly loyal "last dictatorship in Europe", went strangely silent, taking days before the regime offered Moscow its support. "Everybody's nervous," said Wilson.

The EU states of the Baltic and Poland are drumming up support for Georgia, with the Polish president Lech Kaczynski declaring that Russia has revealed "its true face". That divides the EU since the French and the Germans refuse to take sides and are scornful of east European "hysteria" towards Russia. Rahr in Berlin says the German and French governments are striving to keep the Poles and the Baltic states well away from any EU-led peace negotiations. It was the Germans and the French who, in April, blunted George Bush's drive to get Georgia into Nato. They will also resist potential US moves to kick Russia out of the G8 or other international bodies. [...]

LINK;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/16/georgia.russia1

time_lord

16-08-2008, 06:18 PM

Anders Lindman

16-08-2008, 06:35 PM

Apologies if anyone has already mentioned this but I’ve noticed that the Russian News channel on Sky Digitial 512 doesn’t work and it keeps crashing the sky box.

It’s probably just a co-incidence and has nothing to do with the lovely Mr Murdoch wanting to suppress opposition to U.S./Israeli propaganda:rolleyes:.

That's almost funny although it's a serious thing. It's like witnessing the last remnants of centralized media control, like something from the previous century. Unless TPTB will manage to get the same control over the whole Internet. :eek:

element

16-08-2008, 10:35 PM

Georgia accuses Russia of destroying bridge

TBILISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Georgia accused the Russian army of destroying a key railway bridge Saturday and starting massive fires in the scenic Borjomi Gorge, in violation of a new cease-fire agreement between the two countries.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/16/georgia.russia.war/index.html

Ofcourse something just had to happen.

peachped

16-08-2008, 11:38 PM

Chavez accuses Bush of ordering attack on South Ossetia

BUENOS AIRES, August 15 (RIA Novosti) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez believes that Georgian forces launched their attack on South Ossetia on the orders of the U.S. president, the Union radio station reported Friday.

"The leadership of the U.S., which gives orders to Georgian authorities, is to blame for the Caucasus' burning," began Chavez, as quoted by the Venezuelan radio station.

"The president of the U.S., the imperialist George Bush, I am absolutely certain was the one who gave the order to Georgian forces to burn towns and villages and to kill innocent people," he said.

The conflict began with an attack by Georgian forces on Tskhinvali, the capital of the breakaway Georgian republic of South Ossetian, on August 8. Russia has said that around 1,600 people died in the Georgian assault.

During the subsequent Russian military operation to force Georgian troops out of the de facto independent republic and to reinforce its peacekeepers in the region, Moscow sent some 10,000 servicemen and several hundred armored vehicles into South Ossetia.

Washington has supported its ally throughout the crisis, refusing to condemn Tbilisi's attack on South Ossetia and calling Moscow's response "disproportionate."

"Russia's actions were fully justified," Chavez said.

He also said that the U.S. was seeking to surround a Russia which had "risen from its knees thanks to the firm hand of ex-president Putin, and has again become a world power."

He was speaking in Asuncion at the inauguration of the new president of Paraguay, the leftist former bishop Fernando Lugo.

http://ossetians.com/eng/news.php?newsid=467&f=36&PHPSESSID=8830b49b259afa3a88957b9ccfc8b197

Anders Lindman

17-08-2008, 08:48 AM

"EU meeting on Georgia reveals tensions between European powers and US

... However, the majority of Western European powers, with Great Britain the most prominent exception, rejected the confrontational course adopted by the US administration and determined the outcome of EU foreign ministers’ meeting. The outbreak of hostilities between Georgia and Russia has once again brought to the surface the profound tensions between Europe and the US which first became visible on the occasion of the Iraq war.

The determination of a number of key European countries to maintain good working relations with Russia, even at the risk of jeopardising their relations with the US, is based on fundamental economic and geo-political interests.

In economic terms, Europe is heavily dependent on supplies of gas and oil from Russia. Russia is also an increasingly important market for European, and particularly German, trade. German exports to Russia rose more than 50 percent in the first half of 2008, to a total of $29 billion. According to Christian Dreger, an economist at the German Institute for Economic Research in Berlin, “Russia is a very strong country in terms of economic development. It helps compensate for weaker growth in other regions.”

For companies such as the European car makers Daimler, Renault and Fiat, Russia has become an increasingly important market, under conditions where the economic slowdown in Europe is affecting sales within the EU zone itself.

More generally, the increasingly aggressive activities of the US in the Caucasus and Balkans are seen as a threat to European interests in the region. ..."

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/aug2008/geor-a15.shtml

soglad

17-08-2008, 09:44 AM

Anybody get any news snippets about Russia threatening Poland with nuclear war? Was in Aussie paper I just read a sec ago.

Here we go boys, strap in...

soglad

17-08-2008, 09:55 AM

Anders Lindman

17-08-2008, 10:04 AM

Also, they picked a great time to orchestrate all this....papers have 'bout 20 pages of Olympics at start AND back....little tiny article at page 44 about Georgia. Rest is just complete and utter garbage.....cat gets stuck up tree.......boy gets lost in supermarket.....

Yes, timing the event exactly at the Olympics opening ceremony is tall order if it was a coincidence. And yes it likely had to do with making the conflict in Georgia not too big in media. And probably other reasons as well. For example, while the conflict started, George W. Bush was sitting in Beijing cheering as Phelps paraded by, and so he was occupied with that and could not respond quickly.

tyler

17-08-2008, 10:19 AM

The gangsters running Ukraine have decided to hand over a Russian installed spy system to the US. Obviously the Sorus crowd there are following orders from Israel and the US too. The firebrand whats her name, the blonde with the plaits, Tymishenko? She's been quiet lately. Probably making sure her billions of stolen Russian money is safe in her Swiss bank accounts and her villa in the south of France is ready for occupation.

Geoergia is one of the most popular spots for Israeli holidaymakers. The place used to swarming with them. half of the government are Israelis. Of course Georgia is where the Khazars originally came from. The Khazars who converted to Judaism and then went east to Poland and Hungary and ultimately to israel as Ashkanzsi "jews". They have absolutely no DNA or genealogical connection to the original Hebrews of Palestine.

Let's hope the Russian bear takes back Georgia and Ukraine in one mighty onslaught. Clear out the Zionist backed crooks who are in control at the moment. The ordinary people of those two countries have not benefitted from the Sorus revolutions.

Anders Lindman

17-08-2008, 10:30 AM

Geoergia is one of the most popular spots for Israeli holidaymakers. The place used to swarming with them. half of the government are Israelis. Of course Georgia is where the Khazars originally came from. The Khazars who converted to Judaism and then went east to Poland and Hungary and ultimately to israel as Ashkanzsi "jews". They have absolutely no DNA or genealogical connection to the original Hebrews of Palestine.

:eek: Half of the Georgian government Israelis? There seems to be many interests involved. The whole racket could even be a globalist NWO plot concocted by Georgia AND Russia AND Israel AND the US AND the EU. :confused:

soglad

17-08-2008, 10:40 AM

Yep, Russia is threatening nuclear war, America is sending their whole navy fleet to the middle east, and Russia are breaking peace agreement. They mean business.

Russia warns of nuclear attack against Poland. (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Russia-Warns-Poland-Of-A-Nuclear-Attack-Because-Of-Its-Missile-Defence-Deal-With-The-United-States/Article/200808315080094?lpos=World%2BNews_9&lid=ARTICLE_15080094_Russia%2BWarns%2BPoland%2BOf% 2BA%2BNuclear%2BAttack%2BBecause%2BOf%2BIts%2BMiss ile%2BDefence%2BDeal%2BWith%2BThe%2BUnited%2BState s)

peachped

17-08-2008, 10:49 AM

:eek: Half of the Georgian government Israelis? There seems to be many interests involved. The whole racket could even be a globalist NWO plot concocted by Georgia AND Russia AND Israel AND the US AND the EU. :confused:

I'm inclined to agree with this. It's a combined effort. The 'elite' are terrorising the people to further the globalist agenda.

Anders Lindman

17-08-2008, 10:49 AM

Anders Lindman

17-08-2008, 10:51 AM

I'm inclined to agree with this. It's a combined effort. The 'elite' are terrorising the people to further the globalist agenda.

Could be so. I just wrote this reply in my previous post: What if all of these conflicts are only a show to get people to be herded into a New World Order? A part of the 'movie screen' as David Icke has talked about. Wag the Dog manipulation, staged to the core!

peachped

17-08-2008, 10:55 AM

Could be so. I just wrote this reply in my previous post: What if all of these conflicts are only a show to get people to be herded into a New World Order? A part of the 'movie screen' as David Icke has talked about. Wag the Dog manipulation, staged to the core!

Exactly what's going on. Staged to the core indeed.

Anders Lindman

17-08-2008, 11:15 AM

Exactly what's going on. Staged to the core indeed.

From an ordinary perspective, the idea that the whole conflict in Georgia and the mainstream media in all countries is a fake 'movie screen' is really an outrageous idea, but still, what if it's true? I would feel mightily stupid if I had bought all the media propaganda about the conflict and it turns out that it was all staged.

jos08

17-08-2008, 11:42 AM

[quote=Anders Lindman;462362]From an ordinary perspective, the idea that the whole conflict in Georgia and the mainstream media in all countries is a fake 'movie screen' is really an outrageous idea, but still, what if it's true? I would feel mightily stupid if I had bought all the media propaganda about the conflict and it turns out that it was all staged.[/quots]
well it is kind of staged plan just like 911 and what followed when they used to tell us about saddam and his mighty WMD weapons just to get to a war ,, this is the same thing, except we can't prove anything or predict the outcome. I believe soon it will all unveil and everything will be out in the open. putting fear and destruction in to our heads is just what they want exactly. lets not be scared and try to expose them before its too late.

Anders Lindman

17-08-2008, 11:45 AM

Governments should be careful these days in the information age. A nation is a brand and like for a company, reputation is very important. A government trying to fool people is like a company trying to rip people off. And we all know what kind of goodwill such company will get.

peachped

17-08-2008, 11:49 AM

From an ordinary perspective, the idea that the whole conflict in Georgia and the mainstream media in all countries is a fake 'movie screen' is really an outrageous idea, but still, what if it's true? I would feel mightily stupid if I had bought all the media propaganda about the conflict and it turns out that it was all staged.

Keep an open mind as you have been doing and keep an eye on the truth!

Anders Lindman

17-08-2008, 11:50 AM

well it is kind of staged plan just like 911 and what followed when they used to tell us about saddam and his mighty WMD weapons just to get to a war ,, this is the same thing, except we can't prove anything or predict the outcome. I believe soon it will all unveil and everything will be out in the open. putting fear and destruction in to our heads is just what they want exactly. lets not be scared and try to expose them before its too late.

That's true. I may not be all staged, but key parts of it can still be staged. More and more will be revealed about what's really going on I think. When things get very complicated it's difficult to manage too many lies.

jos08

17-08-2008, 12:18 PM

Anders Lindman

17-08-2008, 12:29 PM

they seem to plan their operations 10 or 20 years prior to what they do. just look at 911 again how it was put into our heads through movies and different books and tv programmes way back from 2001. so I guess this is just exercise our brains so we can be ready for it .. but what it is? well that is the miracle if anyone can predict accurately.

A caller on the Alex Jones show talked about a video game with a Tom Clancy story that was about the conflict in Georgia. The game was from 2002 or something like that, and it described a conflict in Georgia in 2008! :eek: (I may have remembered it incorrectly, but something like that anyway)

masonfree party

17-08-2008, 12:32 PM

Russia, Georgia and the US

Info War

What really happened in Georgia?

Some basic facts:

1. The citizens of South Ossetia have long expressed a desire to break away from Georgia and, in fact, declared themselves independent from Georgia in the 1990s.

2. On the first day of the 2008 Olympics, Georgia launched an all-out, "shock and awe" attack on numerous civilian targets in Tskhinvali, the capital city of South Ossetia

3. Russia, which shares a border and a long historical connection with South Ossetia, sent troops into the region to fight back the attacking Georgian military.

4. The arms for Georgia's attack on South Ossetia were largely provided by the US.

5. The US and UK news media have successfully managed to portray these events as a random, unprovoked and savage attack on Georgia by Russia.

In this video, Mikhail Gorbachev responds.

For another example of how the reality of a war was completely recast by the US news media, check out this site from the Brasscheck.com archives:

Analysis of the US led assault on Yugoslavia

Russia "invaded" Georgia out of the blue
and entirely unprovoked, right?

Not quite.

In fact, it's amazing how successfully
the US news media doctored the basic
facts of the story.

Mikhail Gorbachev was invited to provide
commentary on the Larry King show and
surprised and baffled King by laying out
the simple chronology of what actually
happened.

Compare this with the well coordinated
US-UK propaganda campaign.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/402.html

deafbred

17-08-2008, 01:01 PM

jos08

17-08-2008, 01:02 PM

A caller on the Alex Jones show talked about a video game with a Tom Clancy story that was about the conflict in Georgia. The game was from 2002 or something like that, and it described a conflict in Georgia in 2008! :eek: (I may have remembered it incorrectly, but something like that anyway)
yes, I believe that's the case. they show subliminal messages that programme your brain so you can take on whatever BS they throw at you in the future ,,, I mean look here at what free canada found
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33295

eternal_spirit

17-08-2008, 03:46 PM

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3580136,00.html

War in Georgia: The Israeli connection

For past seven years, Israeli companies have been helping Gerogian army to preparer for war against Russia through arms deals, training of infantry units and security advice

jos08

17-08-2008, 04:18 PM

The Israelis are putting fuel into the fire.

Anders Lindman

17-08-2008, 04:31 PM

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=453878&postcount=6888

"Ghost Recon begins in August 2008" Holy gun! That's what I call prediction. Or planning more likely.

Anders Lindman

17-08-2008, 04:37 PM

yes, I believe that's the case. they show subliminal messages that programme your brain so you can take on whatever BS they throw at you in the future ,,, I mean look here at what free canada found
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33295

That's a strange coincidence. But the Ghost Recon game is correct about BOTH the date AND the event! :eek: That's almost too unlikely to have been a coincidence.

jos08

17-08-2008, 04:40 PM

"Ghost Recon begins in August 2008" Holy gun! That's what I call prediction. Or planning more likely.

it was planted in our heads way back then. what are the chances ha? 911 and this well can't say I'm surprised now.

Anders Lindman

17-08-2008, 04:45 PM

it was planted in our heads way back then. what are the chances ha? 911 and this well can't say I'm surprised now.

Yes, it is highly suspicious. What are the odds? Imagine how much money such a bet would have given on a betting site.

sannox

17-08-2008, 05:22 PM

mightve been picked up on before now but i just heard that france and germany now support georgias entry into nato .

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080817/capt.26b47e9d287643b0bec24be61213d884.germany_geor gia_russia_mosb111.jpg?x=400&y=331&sig=kcHzr9jB7h8anZ_8YfdJnw--

realitycheck

17-08-2008, 05:27 PM

Anders Lindman

17-08-2008, 05:40 PM

mightve been picked up on before now but i just heard that france and germany now support georgias entry into nato .

My hypothesis predicts that the idea that Georgia will become a NATO member is just a smokescreen and that some issue will pop up making it difficult for Georgia to become a NATO member and instead an EU membership for Georgia will be proposed. Why? Because why would Georgia (who has been given support by the U.S. military) start the conflict? To make a NATO membership more likely? Not likely.

pheony

17-08-2008, 09:30 PM

That's a strange coincidence. But the Ghost Recon game is correct about BOTH the date AND the event! :eek: That's almost too unlikely to have been a coincidence.

Hav'nt the Elite got some 'sick' honour code where they have to inform us in advance of the atrosities that their going to perform. It can be something like for example the dollar bill showing 911 if its folded in a certain way. So in their eyes they gave us warning, we did'nt heed that warning so they can basically do whatever they like.

Anders Lindman

17-08-2008, 09:58 PM

Hav'nt the Elite got some 'sick' honour code where they have to inform us in advance of the atrosities that their going to perform. It can be something like for example the dollar bill showing 911 if its folded in a certain way. So in their eyes they gave us warning, we did'nt heed that warning so they can basically do whatever they like.

Maybe, but as Alan Watt said, it is also predictive programming that programs the masses to go along with what is planned without objecting or thinking outside the box too much.

pheony

17-08-2008, 10:11 PM

Maybe, but as Alan Watt said, it is also predictive programming that programs the masses to go along with what is planned without objecting or thinking outside the box too much.

Of course, that is very true.

kimball13

18-08-2008, 02:34 AM

they seem to plan their operations 10 or 20 years prior to what they do. just look at 911 again how it was put into our heads through movies and different books and tv programmes way back from 2001. so I guess this is just exercise our brains so we can be ready for it .. but what it is? well that is the miracle if anyone can predict accurately.

ISAAC ASIMOV; Foundation, explains about social engenereing, how key inentionaly triggerd pre-history catasrophie's/wars/pcycops/ci, can stear a civilization to ensure tyranical rule, and shape historical events before they happend,(it would take outside intervention, or is it inside, temororial or corporial)....For a false paradise of technospiritual. Tech no spiritual= spiritual no tech:cool:

jos08

18-08-2008, 03:12 AM

ISAAC ASIMOV; Foundation, explains about social engenereing, how key inentionaly triggerd pre-history catasrophie's/wars/pcycops/ci, can stear a civilization to ensure tyranical rule, and shape historical events before they happend,(it would take outside intervention, or is it inside, temororial or corporial)....For a false paradise of technospiritual. Tech no spiritual= spiritual no tech:cool:
that I guess we'll never know .... how many leaders have tried to engineer people and have failed, i.e . Hitler, Stalin and many others. so i hope these will fail again and not achieve their goals. I don't care what they are , reptilians, humans, vampires whatever. they are still nasty people who want nothing but bloodshed and misery among innocent people.

stelios

18-08-2008, 05:30 AM

Its great to see you lot looking at this from outside the box! In my humble opinion in seems staged.

Ive been looking at the A.T.S. (above top secret forum) and all them lot are freaking out about a possible nuclear war etc etc.

Any forum that spends money advertising itself with google adwords on myspace is not a real free forum rather a controlled forum which is financed by either Mossad or the CIA.
Think about it, google adwords costs thousands of pounds every month. How does a forum afford to spend that money simply to bring readers to it?

www.letsrollforums.com
http://forum.prisonplanet.com

are examples of open democratic TRUSTWORTHY forums
as ofcourse is the David Icke forum

jimmi

18-08-2008, 09:15 AM

Hasn't anyone noticed that while we've been distracted by the possibility of nuclear annihilation peaches geldof got married!:D

tyler

18-08-2008, 11:41 AM

Good one, Jimmi.

Stelious, just want to say that I find your insights the most helpful on this forum, thanks.

spiraltrance

18-08-2008, 11:48 AM

http://i34.tinypic.com/2n02azt.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6500/sukashvillimp2.jpg

papiowhisperer

18-08-2008, 11:58 AM

Any forum that spends money advertising itself with google adwords on myspace is not a real free forum rather a controlled forum which is financed by either Mossad or the CIA.
Think about it, google adwords costs thousands of pounds every month. How does a forum afford to spend that money simply to bring readers to it?

www.letsrollforums.com
http://forum.prisonplanet.com

are examples of open democratic TRUSTWORTHY forums
as ofcourse is the David Icke forum
I was lurking at ATS for awhile, digging some of the content. Around the time of the Jim Lear brouhaha I was concluding that the ATS forum was for intelligence gathering and disinformation.

Thanks for the link to letsrollforums, now with prisonplanet I'll have a third community to bounce between. :)

moonfly

18-08-2008, 07:26 PM

deany

19-08-2008, 08:17 AM

OK...

My conclusion is that America and Georgia staged this attack to force Russia in to action to secure the Poland missile shield contract before the Bush Co. left office.

Now we will see what happens when Russia is provoked in to action with the west and EU.

that definitely seems to be part of it as Poland have been against this shield system for a long long time now, perhaps they have succombed to fear after seeing what Russia have supposedly done to poor little Georgia and they now seek protection from their friendly big bro the US.

and justice for all

19-08-2008, 09:33 AM

I was lurking at ATS for awhile, digging some of the content. Around the time of the Jim Lear brouhaha I was concluding that the ATS forum was for intelligence gathering and disinformation...

They’re a warmongering lot. “Let’s nuke ‘em” “yeah” “that’ll teach ‘em” “yeah”
I mean what is a bunch of right wingers doing posting on a conspiracy site? Makes you wonder...
Apparently the owners of ATS are the same of GLP, and rumors says that they’re a Tavistock operation.

peachped

19-08-2008, 07:07 PM

Russians come up against Georgian roadblock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIMs37C4g6g&feature=related

moonfly

19-08-2008, 07:44 PM

Here is a helpfull link.......

http://www.ki4u.com/survive/index.htm

11 Steps to Survival
Canada Emergency Measures Organization

pheony

19-08-2008, 09:39 PM

Miliband needs to keep his lying mouth shut.

pheony

19-08-2008, 09:53 PM

Oh my god..seeing David Miliband telling the press that the uk are supporting the Georgian president has made my blood boil. His fake hand gestures and lies..its like watching Blair all over again.

tyler

20-08-2008, 12:08 AM

Miliband is a Khazar, let us not forget. His tribe originates from where Georgia now is. Hence all the Israeli Khazars who are in Georgia.

Sarkozy is a Khazar too.

lizzy

20-08-2008, 12:19 AM

Good Point tyler,.....that crossed my mind a few days ago.....'converted' in 720ad.

peachped

20-08-2008, 11:27 AM

Mr Miliband said the UK's government and people "stood in solidarity" with the Georgian people.

And later added...

"The British policy is founded on very clear foundations, that the rule of force does not replace the rule of law, and the territorial integrity of sovereign nations is to be respected," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7571395.stm

Anders Lindman

20-08-2008, 12:21 PM

pheony

20-08-2008, 12:46 PM

"The formal process leading to Georgia's membership of Nato has begun, partly because of Russia's occupation, David Miliband said today."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/20/georgia.nato?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

:eek: This is the opposite of what I expected. Will NATO accept Georgia as a member when it was the Georgian government who started the attack? :confused:

If Georgia attacked with their say so, then i would say yes.Can anyone tell me if im right in thinking that they are going to hurry along the Ukraine membership as well? Also was Russia declined membership when they asked to join NATO? Is this really all about the collapse of the financial system...Have a big war and start all over again?

niftymage

20-08-2008, 01:08 PM

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8bf_1218721868

Anders Lindman

20-08-2008, 01:56 PM

If Georgia attacked with their say so, then i would say yes.Can anyone tell me if im right in thinking that they are going to hurry along the Ukraine membership as well? Also was Russia declined membership when they asked to join NATO? Is this really all about the collapse of the financial system...Have a big war and start all over again?

It's just so strange that Saakashvili can get away with starting the attack and then some NATO leaders applauding that? :confused: Did anyone say psychopaths?

If the information reported in media is true then Saakashvili is a murderer. Why would NATO want to applaud a murderer and make him a member of their gang? Sure, there are likely stealth psychopaths in positions of power, but this blatant in-our-face psychopathy is a step even further into the public scene. I doubt that they can get away with this as a political move. As far as I remember, psychopathy is currently politically incorrect. Or, are things, as Alex Jones says, going to hell in a hand basket, and that we just can go along and accept being raped by psychopaths from all directions?

pheony

20-08-2008, 02:08 PM

It's just so strange that Saakashvili can get away with starting the attack and then some NATO leaders applauding that? :confused: Did anyone say psychopaths?

Psychopaths indeed. They will applaud the puppet for his part in the staged show.

jos08

20-08-2008, 02:09 PM

It's just so strange that Saakashvili can get away with starting the attack and then some NATO leaders applauding that? :confused: Did anyone say psychopaths?
if you have backing of the WEST then why not. you know you are just a puppet and you puppet masters can always come to the rescue when it gets sticky.

P.S I tried to send you an email but I couldn't, is it because of your settings.

jos08

20-08-2008, 02:18 PM

Psychopaths indeed. They will applaud the puppet for his part in the staged show.
are we synchronised ? why did you compare him to puppets? this is kind of funny..
can I ask you a question? are you an earth sign? because I read about it and its relevant to synchronization.

Anders Lindman

20-08-2008, 02:30 PM

Psychopaths indeed. They will applaud the puppet for his part in the staged show.

It's quite outrageous that they can get away with anything they want and we common people just go along like sheep. It's almost as if I suspect that the evil people in positions of power threatens other people in positions of power, over our heads, and thus can control the whole madness. If some politician doesn't go along with their agenda, then they and their family are killed and replaced? :confused:

Anders Lindman

20-08-2008, 02:33 PM

if you have backing of the WEST then why not. you know you are just a puppet and you puppet masters can always come to the rescue when it gets sticky.

P.S I tried to send you an email but I couldn't, is it because of your settings.

Yeah, I have blocked everything I can. I'm too lazy to use the social networking features.

jos08

20-08-2008, 02:45 PM

Yeah, I have blocked everything I can. I'm too lazy to use the social networking features.
so you are not the information sharing type of person. well that's understandable these days since its very hard to trust just anyone

Anders Lindman

20-08-2008, 02:52 PM

so you are not the information sharing type of person. well that's understandable these days since its very hard to trust just anyone

Maybe in the future I will be more social. :)

The elite's Titanic agenda is starting to sink is my firm belief. It's not politically correct to threaten to kill politicians and their families, and soon we will see the rats leaving their sinking ship of horror.

pheony

20-08-2008, 03:03 PM

are we synchronised ? why did you compare him to puppets? this is kind of funny..
can I ask you a question? are you an earth sign? because I read about it and its relevant to synchronization.

Hi jos08, Im a fire sign but funnily enough im surrounded by lots of lovely earth signs...friends and family.

pheony

20-08-2008, 03:06 PM

are we synchronised ? why did you compare him to puppets? this is kind of funny..
can I ask you a question? are you an earth sign? because I read about it and its relevant to synchronization.

I called him a puppet because i just see him dancing to their tune.

Anders Lindman

20-08-2008, 03:17 PM

If NATO supports Saakashvili then they may fall into a trap. The EU bureaucrats, being maybe even more nasty than the NATO psychopaths, will start to accuse Saakashvili for being responsible for the conflict, and then a new president will be elected in Georgia, and soon after that Georgia will join the EU.

jos08

20-08-2008, 03:18 PM

Maybe in the future I will be more social. :)

The elite's Titanic agenda is starting to sink is my firm belief. It's not politically correct to threaten to kill politicians and their families, and soon we will see the rats leaving their sinking ship of horror.

you know I honestly find something very sinister in all this cover up and big giant powers seems not be able to mention for whatever reason. they know something that they can't tell us and its so obvious. please read this very important speech by Vladimir Putin and its called The Munich Speech
http://www.kommersant.com/p741749/r_1/Munich_Speech_Vladimir_Putin/
and see what you make of his speech. he wants to tell us something out of frustration and anger but he can't tell. so please have a read and see if you share my opinion on it

Hi jos08, Im a fire sign but funnily enough im surrounded by lots of lovely earth signs...friends and family.
you know after reading a lot of books and watching one too many videos and I have now come to the conclusion that we all do share the same mind field. I don't care what people call it (synchronising, one conscience, cosmic mind, one entity, etc,,,) its all the same thing. and if you think about the synchronized thoughts that we had they all seem to happen with some one we like and dare to us...I can;t even tell you how many times it has happend to me with my girlfriend and ex girlfriend, its just amazing.

Anders Lindman

20-08-2008, 03:25 PM

zero1

20-08-2008, 03:28 PM

Putin is probably working together with the EU against NATO. NATO is likely already doomed.

;)

Seeing Condie Rice and the NATO Chief Exec come out and blatantly lie about Russian "agression" in Ossetia was the seal.

Georgia allowed itself to be the pawn in Israel-America's game, and they started the war.

They don't get to decide how this ends.

I hope the Russians do double-cross the Georgians, roll into Tblisi and crush them.

pheony

20-08-2008, 03:30 PM

It's quite outrageous that they can get away with anything they want and we common people just go along like sheep. It's almost as if I suspect that the evil people in positions of power threatens other people in positions of power, over our heads, and thus can control the whole madness. If some politician doesn't go along with their agenda, then they and their family are killed and replaced? :confused:

It really angers me that the PTB do whatever they like without taking into account what we ,the people might want... but why would they, what we want does'nt go along with their agenda.I would'nt be at all suprised if politicians were threatened as im sure that once they get to a certain level in the mess that they've helped to create, there's no return, and they know it, hence they can be manipulated to further the cause.

jos08

20-08-2008, 03:32 PM

Putin is probably working together with the EU against NATO. NATO is likely already doomed.
did you just mistype or made a mistake
EU and NATO are working together and are best friends in all ways along with US. Russia seems to try not to get involve with them for whatever reason.

Anders Lindman

20-08-2008, 03:41 PM

did you just mistype or made a mistake
EU and NATO are working together and are best friends in all ways along with US. Russia seems to try not to get involve with them for whatever reason.

EU is only in NATO as an historical consequence. The U.S. has no oil to offer the EU and so NATO is today only a paper tiger. Today it's all about oil. The rest is just a show for the public with media, military and political clowns strutting across the public stage trying frantically to capture the attention of the masses.

Anders Lindman

20-08-2008, 03:46 PM

It really angers me that the PTB do whatever they like without taking into account what we ,the people might want... but why would they, what we want does'nt go along with their agenda.I would'nt be at all suprised if politicians were threatened as im sure that once they get to a certain level in the mess that they've helped to create, there's no return, and they know it, hence they can be manipulated to further the cause.

Yes, it's a historical fact that politicians have been murdered because of their positions of power. I wouldn't be surprised if politicians are today controlled by threats of violence etc.

jos08

20-08-2008, 03:50 PM

EU is only in NATO as an historical consequence. The U.S. has no oil to offer the EU and so NATO is today only a paper tiger. Today it's all about oil. The rest is just a show for the public with media, military and political clowns strutting across the public stage trying frantically to capture the attention of the masses.
as it happens by some freak of accident that was called the desert storm war in 1990s in the Persian gulf, the US has more access to oil than anyone else on the planet. The people who created EU and NATO and UN are the same people that are trying to include Russia to their game. but so far Russia seems not to give up its rights and stay as it is. (didn't you read Munich speech when Putin talks in front of most EU presidents and NATO leaders).
it is all part of the game. but I personally can't see Russia pushing the same agenda, maybe I'm not too smart to notice or maybe I might just be right

jos08

20-08-2008, 03:54 PM

steevo

20-08-2008, 03:59 PM

the US and the west is provoking Russia in all ways.. they signed the missile contract in Poland today here and they are dying to see a response from Russia, that is why they are doing it. read it here
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=SimpleSite/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1219218596839

You can just see it now, Bush doing a false flag attack on Poland (nuclear maybe). The Poles need to wake up. The problem is, they are all over here and are fast asleep (not all of them though cos I know a few Poles who are awake).

pheony

20-08-2008, 04:04 PM

you know I honestly find something very sinister in all this cover up and big giant powers seems not be able to mention for whatever reason. they know something that they can't tell us and its so obvious. please read this very important speech by Vladimir Putin and its called The Munich Speech
http://www.kommersant.com/p741749/r_1/Munich_Speech_Vladimir_Putin/
and see what you make of his speech. he wants to tell us something out of frustration and anger but he can't tell. so please have a read and see if you share my opinion on it

you know after reading a lot of books and watching one too many videos and I have now come to the conclusion that we all do share the same mind field. I don't care what people call it (synchronising, one conscience, cosmic mind, one entity, etc,,,) its all the same thing. and if you think about the synchronized thoughts that we had they all seem to happen with some one we like and dare to us...I can;t even tell you how many times it has happend to me with my girlfriend and ex girlfriend, its just amazing.

I think he's tryng to expose the NWO and also he's trying to tell people that he does'nt go along with it. If im not wrong he's also saying that there might be some nukes put aside for a rainy day...for Russia.

I think if were really in tune with people we do synchronize...yes one mind. It has happened with me many times as well...Its great.

pheony

20-08-2008, 04:11 PM

Putin is probably working together with the EU against NATO. NATO is likely already doomed.

Cant really see Putin working with the EU.

jos08

20-08-2008, 04:19 PM

You can just see it now, Bush doing a false flag attack on Poland (nuclear maybe). The Poles need to wake up. The problem is, they are all over here and are fast asleep (not all of them though cos I know a few Poles who are awake).
just read the Munich speech link in my other posts and see what I mean.

I think he's tryng to expose the NWO and also he's trying to tell people that he does'nt go along with it. If im not wrong he's also saying that there might be some nukes put aside for a rainy day...for Russia.
I think if were really in tune with people we do synchronize...yes one mind. It has happened with me many times as well...Its great.

that is the impression I got through reading the Putin's speech. He is not going along with their agenda or he is pretending not go along with their agenda. so we can't work it out.

Cant really see Putin working with the EU.
exactly as he did n;t seem happy Georgia trying to get into NATO too.

pheony

20-08-2008, 05:05 PM

just read the Munich speech link in my other posts and see what I mean.

that is the impression I got through reading the Putin's speech. He is not going along with their agenda or he is pretending not go along with their agenda. so we can't work it out.

exactly as he did n;t seem happy Georgia trying to get into NATO too.

Ive been looking into Russia's relationship with NATO and from what i can gather they are a partial member, unless things go awry.

The NATO-Russia council was established on 28th may 2002

(NRC) Is the main forum for advancing NATO-Russia relations in which the 26 allies and Russia work together as equal partners to identify and persue opportunities for joint actions.

The NATO-Russia council is the principal structure and venue for advancing the relationship between NATO and Russia. It has created several working groups and communities to develop cooperation in key areas.

Sounds a good way of everyone having an imput with keeping the peace as the main objective.

Obviously this has'nt worked so who knows where the NRC now stands.

We could also look at this in another way!!!!

But thats too much of a head fuck is'nt it??

jos08

20-08-2008, 05:16 PM

Ive been looking into Russia's relationship with NATO and from what i can gather they are a partial member, unless things go awry.
The NATO-Russia council was established on 28th may 2002
(NRC) Is the main forum for advancing NATO-Russia relations in which the 26 allies and Russia work together as equal partners to identify and persue opportunities for joint actions.
The NATO-Russia council is the principal structure and venue for advancing the relationship between NATO and Russia. It has created several working groups and communities to develop cooperation in key areas.
Sounds a good way of everyone having an imput with keeping the peace as the main objective.
Obviously this has'nt worked so who knows where the NRC now stands.
We could also look at this in another way!!!!
But thats too much of a head fuck is'nt it??

yes it hasn't I agree. the US has been trying to put Russia on their side and trying to communicate with Russia via NATO or EU relations but its all gone down the drain now and the only option available is to try to provoke Russia into giving in if you know what I mean hence the Georgian conflict lately and Poland and other Eastern European countries such as Czech republic.

element

20-08-2008, 10:03 PM

"Georgia has stood for freedom around the world, and now the world must stand with Georgia," Bush said.

I smell a bigger conflict coming..

peachped

20-08-2008, 10:10 PM

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8bf_1218721868

Good one.

Anders Lindman

20-08-2008, 11:30 PM

Cant really see Putin working with the EU.

Russia is doing business with both the EU and the US.

I have already posted the below article, but it talks about the Russia-EU cooperation:

"EU meeting on Georgia reveals tensions between European powers and US

... However, the majority of Western European powers, with Great Britain the most prominent exception, rejected the confrontational course adopted by the US administration and determined the outcome of EU foreign ministers’ meeting. The outbreak of hostilities between Georgia and Russia has once again brought to the surface the profound tensions between Europe and the US which first became visible on the occasion of the Iraq war.

The determination of a number of key European countries to maintain good working relations with Russia, even at the risk of jeopardising their relations with the US, is based on fundamental economic and geo-political interests.

In economic terms, Europe is heavily dependent on supplies of gas and oil from Russia. Russia is also an increasingly important market for European, and particularly German, trade. German exports to Russia rose more than 50 percent in the first half of 2008, to a total of $29 billion. According to Christian Dreger, an economist at the German Institute for Economic Research in Berlin, “Russia is a very strong country in terms of economic development. It helps compensate for weaker growth in other regions.”

For companies such as the European car makers Daimler, Renault and Fiat, Russia has become an increasingly important market, under conditions where the economic slowdown in Europe is affecting sales within the EU zone itself.

More generally, the increasingly aggressive activities of the US in the Caucasus and Balkans are seen as a threat to European interests in the region. ..."

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/aug2008/geor-a15.shtml

Anders Lindman

20-08-2008, 11:46 PM

"Bush Calls Georgia ‘Under Siege’

ORLANDO, Fla. — President Bush declared Wednesday that “Georgia’s young democracy” has “come under siege” by Russia, and he connected the conflict in the Caucuses with the battle against terrorists and United States efforts to aid the rise of free societies.
...
Moreover, Mr. Bush declared, the disputed border regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia “are part of Georgia and the United States will work with our allies to ensure Georgia’s independence and territorial integrity.” The Russians made air strikes and sent in troops earlier this month after South Ossetia was assaulted by Georgian forces."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/world/europe/21prexy.html

Are Bush and Cheney trying to stay in power by fueling the conflict? Why doesn't the article say that the Georgian government started the conflict? :confused: A sneak attack as Alex Jones called it.

pheony

21-08-2008, 12:55 AM

Russia is doing business with both the EU and the US.

I have already posted the below article, but it talks about the Russia-EU cooperation:

"EU meeting on Georgia reveals tensions between European powers and US

... However, the majority of Western European powers, with Great Britain the most prominent exception, rejected the confrontational course adopted by the US administration and determined the outcome of EU foreign ministers’ meeting. The outbreak of hostilities between Georgia and Russia has once again brought to the surface the profound tensions between Europe and the US which first became visible on the occasion of the Iraq war.

The determination of a number of key European countries to maintain good working relations with Russia, even at the risk of jeopardising their relations with the US, is based on fundamental economic and geo-political interests.

In economic terms, Europe is heavily dependent on supplies of gas and oil from Russia. Russia is also an increasingly important market for European, and particularly German, trade. German exports to Russia rose more than 50 percent in the first half of 2008, to a total of $29 billion. According to Christian Dreger, an economist at the German Institute for Economic Research in Berlin, “Russia is a very strong country in terms of economic development. It helps compensate for weaker growth in other regions.”

For companies such as the European car makers Daimler, Renault and Fiat, Russia has become an increasingly important market, under conditions where the economic slowdown in Europe is affecting sales within the EU zone itself.

More generally, the increasingly aggressive activities of the US in the Caucasus and Balkans are seen as a threat to European interests in the region. ..."

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/aug2008/geor-a15.shtml

To be quite honest this whole thing is so hard to work out because the more logical we try to be the more insane it all appears to be. They tell so many lies that even finding a scrap of truth is nigh on impossible. I think America have at last over stepped the mark and in the long run they will pay the price. the whole world is sick of them and the UK. Very soon i think the UK will have to show where its true loyalties are..with America or the European Union.

Anders Lindman

21-08-2008, 01:48 AM

To be quite honest this whole thing is so hard to work out because the more logical we try to be the more insane it all appears to be. They tell so many lies that even finding a scrap of truth is nigh on impossible. I think America have at last over stepped the mark and in the long run they will pay the price. the whole world is sick of them and the UK. Very soon i think the UK will have to show where its true loyalties are..with America or the European Union.

It's complicated. There seems to be several interests involved in conflicts like this. Even within one nation there can be conflicting interests. But the bottom line is the question: who benefits? EU no doubt benefits from having trade and business with Russia and vice versa.

The UK is probably split between EU and US.

pheony

21-08-2008, 02:19 AM

It's complicated. There seems to be several interests involved in conflicts like this. Even within one nation there can be conflicting interests. But the bottom line is the question: who benefits? EU no doubt benefits from having trade and business with Russia and vice versa.

The UK is probably split between EU and US.

Yes the EU and Russia benefit from each other greatly..so why rock the boat?If the US is rocking the boat, why are the EU allowing them to do it? At the moment this has to be about NATO as a whole. The prize has to be Russia or lest we forget Iran.

Anders Lindman

21-08-2008, 02:25 AM

the more logical we try to be the more insane it all appears to be.

Governments and other powers use lies to protect themselves, and the lies require other lies to cover up the initial lies. This creates a vicious circle that quickly spins into a pit of paranoia and deceptions. At the same time they need to uphold a politically correct facade. This split 'personality' makes it appear insane when their facade starts to crack. In the past they could use media propaganda to hold the fake facade presented to the public intact. Today that's more difficult. So in a sense it's insane even if there is a twisted kind of logic to it.

Anders Lindman

21-08-2008, 02:26 AM

Yes the EU and Russia benefit from each other greatly..so why rock the boat?If the US is rocking the boat, why are the EU allowing them to do it? At the moment this has to be about NATO as a whole. The prize has to be Russia or lest we forget Iran.

The EU want control over Georgia. And so they orchestrated the sneak attack together with the Georgian government to speed up the process of getting Georgia as an EU member. That's my theory at the moment.

Anders Lindman

21-08-2008, 03:12 AM

"The formal process leading to Georgia's membership of Nato has begun, partly because of Russia's occupation, David Miliband said today."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/20/georgia.nato?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

:eek: This is the opposite of what I expected. Will NATO accept Georgia as a member when it was the Georgian government who started the attack? :confused:

Whoa! Wait a minute. Georgia could of course become a member of BOTH NATO and the EU! So a NATO membership could actually be a stepping stone for Georgia to become a member of the EU.

stelios

21-08-2008, 03:50 AM

Anders Lindman

21-08-2008, 09:53 AM

You use the word 'member' but most would see it as colonization.
Georgia is run by a US appointed puppet at the moment as is Lithuania, Poland and Ukraine.
I predict there will be a civil war in Ukraine soon. Have the people are Russians and object to Ukraine blocking use of the Russian language and the banning of Russian TV and movies.
Crimea has historic ties to Russia as do the Cossacks and ofcourse the Black Sea fleet.
Russia is no longer the drunkard nation it was under zionist puppet Yeltsin where Russians were given share certificates in state owned companies and used them to swap for packets of fags.
Today Russia under Putin and Medvedev is dynamic, intelligent and savvi.

I don't know about Ukraine, but Saakashvili is maybe BOTH a U.S. puppet AND an EU puppet. The EU is also involved:

"In 2005 Russia terminated a 150-person strong OSCE Border Monitoring Mission on the Russian-Georgian border, and Georgia invited the EU to take over. The EU response was to send three persons (later extended to 12) to help Georgia reform its border management system. In January 2007 the EU sent a fact-finding mission to the conflict region that suggested a number of small steps for EU engagement in the conflict zones."

http://euobserver.com/9/26621

My theory is that the conflict was started to speed up Georgia's EU membership, perhaps also with a NATO membership as a stepping stone.

chattanova

21-08-2008, 04:35 PM

War Killed 1,492 Ossetians Say Local Officials

VIDEO http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/29271/video

chattanova

21-08-2008, 04:39 PM

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFcaNM2J3VE&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFcaNM2J3VE&feature=related

Anders Lindman

21-08-2008, 07:04 PM

NATO is not happy about EU and especially Sarkozy so they bombed French troops because of the Georgian conflict as an indirect message?

"NATO denies airstrike killed French troops

(CNN) -- NATO disputes a report published in one of France's major daily newspapers that said French soldiers involved in deadly fighting in Afghanistan earlier this week were struck by NATO airstrikes."

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/08/21/nato.france/index.html

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/08/21/nato.france/art.france.gi.jpg

steevo

21-08-2008, 07:13 PM

pheony

21-08-2008, 07:43 PM

realitycheck

21-08-2008, 07:43 PM

One thing i know for sure is that there wont be a nuclear conflict.
The rich control the world, what use would there 4 million pound yatch parked in monaco be if the world was polluted ? None.
Thats one thing im definate off.

The rest? Whats real and what isnt? Its almost impossible coming to any conclusion unless you take any news on face value.
Governments dont work for the people anymore? Thats right yes? Well then it pointless looking for reasons why 1 nation would attack another and looking at the historys etc etc. Its all about rich people and contracts IMO.
I dont think it makes sense to sense that rich elite control the world and then to try to understand why one country would attack another. Its all a game, to throw us off track in my trainee conspiracist opinion!

pheony

21-08-2008, 07:55 PM

One thing i know for sure is that there wont be a nuclear conflict.
The rich control the world, what use would there 4 million pound yatch parked in monaco be if the world was polluted ? None.
Thats one thing im definate off.

The rest? Whats real and what isnt? Its almost impossible coming to any conclusion unless you take any news on face value.

It is impossible to come to any conclusions... But i would'nt rule out nuclear war ...'These people are mad'
Just been looking at the news on Alex Jones and its looking like this might become an East v West senario. Russia is obviously going to play the west at their own game.

realitycheck

21-08-2008, 07:59 PM

It is impossible to come to any conclusions... But i would'nt rule out nuclear war ...'These people are mad'
Just been looking at the news on Alex Jones and its looking like this might become an East v West senario. Russia is obviously going to play the west at their own game.

Well personally i dont buy what anyone says. Its all to scare us.
Like i say, nuclear conflict = no winners. Id rather die quick than die slowly, so no-one will win.

Rich companys run the world and what would they gain? No1 to buy there goods? No small people to make them feel big.

Its only my opinion but stands to logic that it wont happen.

Theres no point being aware of there game if you let them control your life. The way i see it - Who gives a toss. Whatever happens happens.

East vs west ? You believe that cr*p! All there is is rich people and poor people.

They scare us so we spend money, it makes us feel like 'this could be our last year'. Thats the reason for it.

Anders Lindman

21-08-2008, 08:30 PM

'Russian maestro: Georgian attack is Ossetia's 9/11

TSKHINVALI, Georgia (Reuters) - Russia's most famous conductor, Valery Gergiev, said on Thursday Georgia's assault on South Ossetia was comparable to the September 11 attacks on the United States.

Gergiev, an ethnic Ossetian, drew the parallel after seeing the bombed and burnt out houses of Tskhinvali, South Ossetia's capital which was shelled by Georgian forces earlier this month.

Feted as one of the world's top conductors, Gergiev -- who grew up in the neighboring Russian region of North Ossetia -- visited the devastated Jewish Quarter of Tskhinvali before conducting a special concert on the town's central square.

"When the U.S. lost three and a half thousand people on September 11th, Russia became the first country to express its support," said Gergiev, referring to the al Qaeda attacks in 2001 which in fact killed nearly 3,000.

"For South Ossetia to lose 1,500 or 2,000 people today is a terrible tragedy but no one knows about it," he said. "To shoot at kids, at children from a tank, it's a shame and the world should know about this shame."'

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSLL24645520080821

pheony

21-08-2008, 08:53 PM

Well personally i dont buy what anyone says. Its all to scare us.
Like i say, nuclear conflict = no winners. Id rather die quick than die slowly, so no-one will win.

Rich companys run the world and what would they gain? No1 to buy there goods? No small people to make them feel big.

Its only my opinion but stands to logic that it wont happen.

Theres no point being aware of there game if you let them control your life. The way i see it - Who gives a toss. Whatever happens happens.

East vs west ? You believe that cr*p! All there is is rich people and poor people.

They scare us so we spend money, it makes us feel like 'this could be our last year'. Thats the reason for it.

Of course its to scare us...Where would the power be if it did'nt!
There are always winners...would'nt have to be a 'massive' nuclear war.
The big companies ar'nt going anywhere.
It could happen on a 'small 'scale.
They control because they have the power. I think its good to be aware of that fact.
I dont believe anything until i see it as proof .I only 'guess' what the reasons might be.
There has been and always will be rich and poor people.
Scared or not i dont think the majority of people think "this could be our last year" spend spend spend... Its hard enough to keep a roof over your head and pay your bills these days.

Anders Lindman

21-08-2008, 09:34 PM

Here is a thread called 'War between Russia and Georgia orchestrated from USA ' on the Russian Pravda English forum:

http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?t=221540

pheony

21-08-2008, 09:59 PM

Here is a thread called 'War between Russia and Georgia orchestrated from USA ' on the Russian Pravda English forum:

http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?t=221540

Really good. Some very telling posts on there.

stelios

22-08-2008, 02:29 AM

If there is a chemical attack on Britain or anywhere else involving polonium-210, then the sheeple are gonna say "oh it's obviously the Russians" :cool:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/08/17/books/montefiore-190.jpg
Alexander V. Litvinenko

But i think most of the public and all of the commentators have realised that Litvinenko was killed by his employer Boris Berezovsky.
Russia and Brazil have issued international arrest warrants for him and he is charged with a long list of crimes. The Labour party granted him a safe haven in Britain but they were finding it very difficult to justify protecting a fugitive villain like this and his extradition was close. Until the poisoning of Litvinenko. Now there is no prospect of his extradition. He was the only victor in that whole episode.
His Khazar friends such as the sons of Adolph Miliband have vowed to prevent his extradition to either Russia or Brazil.

I hope people also realise that the US nuclear missiles are obselete now. Dont forget China has a satelite killer system now and as Trident works by using GPS the Chinese can knock out the US satelites rendering the MIssiles useless.
That is probably why they want land based missiles in Poland which dont need a satelite to guide them.

And yes the Trident 2 that Gordon Brown is spending £75 Billion aparantly overcomes the GPS problem.

ufo_swatter

22-08-2008, 07:55 AM

One thing i know for sure is that there wont be a nuclear conflict.
The rich control the world, what use would there 4 million pound yatch parked in monaco be if the world was polluted ? None.
Thats one thing im definate off.

I wouldn't be so sure. The puppet masters of U.S policy towards Russia have engineered the destruction of former Soviet allies, but it is possible that their plan will not be complete until they either provoke a Russian attack or fake one on one or a number of western cities.

The western powers possibly wanted to userp Russian power, not content with the downfall of Communism they want to grind Russia into the dirt, maybe because they wont join the club. So the U.S gets it ally, Osama Bin bag, to get some saps and launch attacks, the pay off being the spread of Islaam in western countries. The towers fall and the 'allies' have the excuse they need to do whatever they want. The Taliban in Afghanistan have to go for show, but it also opens the door to U.S troops in areas the Russians would never have let them go.
Then in a supposed war on Islamic fundamentalism the U.S and allies attack a former Soviet ally Iraq, one of the least Islamic counties in the Muslim world. Russia had previously opposed the removal of Saddam, but now how could they refuse with any force, America being essentially an ally against the Islamic threat.

But they aren't an ally, they are siding with the enemy. Osama was allegedly working for the U.S against his former enemy the Russians. So a few thousand civilians get murdered, what do those in power care if they can take down Russia once and for all and divide up the spoils.

Next the U.S is itching to attack Syria, which is another former Soviet ally and of course Iran, though technically not a Russian ally, it is not friend to the real U.S allies, the Saudis and the Jews.

The U.S has backed 'revolutions' in former Soviet states and Georgia is now a puppet regime. Sure its people think they have a claim to South Ossetia but they have been led to bolder acts by their new western friend and attacking Russian citizens and fighting Russian troops is a big bite for a small dog like Georgia unless someone prompted them.

The U.S and Britain and their bought and paid for oil dollar politicians have been speaking with one voice one the subject, making out that Russia was at fault when it is their puppet regime and supposed ally Georgia that is the aggressor.

Apparently now NATO is to speed up Georgias entry to the corrupt club and with the U.S forcing through a missile defence system on Polish soil it is yet more to provoke Russia.

So what is the aim? Is it to make Russia think that they must attack first only to find that the west has an effective defence system. Is it to engineer and fake an attack on the west and blame Russia, thereby justifying the destruction of Russian cities when in reality Russian missiles can no longer get through. Do they just fear a resurgent Soviet pact and are making sure it is all but destroyed?

I'd go with the last option except that the U.S has effectively won, there would be no need to bite the bear and pick fights especially in defence of Georgia when it was murdering and ethnically cleansing South Ossetians. It would be foolish of the West to encourage Georgias actions, in fact membership of NATO in a sane world would be conditional on finding a lasting peace with South Ossetia, whose peoples only crime is to want self rule. But no, the West wants a country in NATO that brutally oppressess it's own people, it wants a country in NATO that attacks a nuclear power for a pocket of land it has a dubious claim over.

The next move in this game could be anything, it could be nukes in western cities, our leaders don't work for us after all, they work more for Islamic Imperialism than they do for us, so what do a few million lives matter if it gets their paymasters more power and more more wealth and it gets them what they want.

Anders Lindman

22-08-2008, 11:54 AM

Politicians have neither the time, education nor the inclination for strategic thought. We cannot allow the Russkies to take over the world and sap our precious bodily fluids!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7_7SXsHU8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrWz9XVvls

:D

annuskatus

23-08-2008, 07:46 AM

Want to know what war actually is? Look this photo thread, you don't see these pictures on newspapers:

http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112&sid=a37234fa1fe89f0aaaaaf9d48c0f86f7

:( :( :(

Anders Lindman

23-08-2008, 01:09 PM

Want to know what war actually is? Look this photo thread, you don't see these pictures on newspapers:

http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112&sid=a37234fa1fe89f0aaaaaf9d48c0f86f7

:( :( :(

And the scary thing is that wars are started by politicians, or maybe even puppet masters above them who care not a single thread about human life. :eek::(

annuskatus

23-08-2008, 03:26 PM

Several Nato ship from Spain, Germany, Poland and US have arrived to the Black Sea during the last two days, says Russian Defence Ministry. This is getting dangerous now!

moonfly

25-08-2008, 07:01 PM

http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/29460

AFP PhotoAugust 25, 2008, 15:50

The story of a short but bloody war
The conflict in the region has forced South Ossetia and Abkhazia to once again call on the world to officially recognise their separation from Tbilisi.

Late in the evening of August 7, just before midnight, Georgian artillery struck the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali. It came just hours after the Georgian President, Mikhail Saakashvili, had announced a ceasefire after several days of skirmishing between South Ossetian and Georgian troops.

However. the violence did not end there as Georgian shells and later fighter jets hit targets and buildings in Tskhinvali. By the next morning, Tbilisi's military operation, which it had dubbed called "Clean Field" was deploying infantry units and tanks.

Russia called an extra session of the UN Security Council in a bid to end the Georgian aggression. Georgia insisted they were trying to restore constitutional order but a late meeting in New York failed to bring any results.

Georgian troops entered Tskhinvali and attacked checkpoints manned by Russian peacekeepers.

By the evening of Friday, August 8, the capital of the breakaway republic was under the control of the Georgian forces. Civilians, along with journalists and peacekeepers, were taking shelter in basements.

Taking into account that many in South Ossetia had Russian passports, President Dmitry Medvedev ordered elements of the 58th Army into the conflict zone. As Russian tanks approached the devastated city, Mikhail Saakashvili claimed that Russia had invaded Georgia.

The West cautiously raised concerns. Initial reports said hundreds had been killed in attacks on South Ossetia.

On the second day of war, the shelling of Tskhinvali and the nearby villages continued.

As Russian forces entered South Ossetia, heavy fighting broke out on the streets, leading to thousands of people trying to flee the region.

Russian fighter jets started to strike military targets on Georgian territory, while Tbilisi claimed that Russian planes were targeting civilian buildings with reports that dozens had been killed in a bomb attack on the city of Gori, 60 km north of the capital.

By the middle of the third day, Georgian units had almost been pushed out of Tskhinvali.

Another meeting of the UN Security Council again resulted in no decision, but almost all envoys came forward to strongly criticise Russia, not Georgia, for its military actions.

The fourth day started with Tbilisi announcing another ceasefire, but during the next two days Georgian forces did not stop fighting and continued to shell South Ossetia.

By this time more than 35,000 people had fled to Russia's republic of North Ossetia.

On the fifth day Dmitry Medvedev and his French counterpart Nicolas Sarkozy drew up a six-point plant aimed at ending the hostilities. It was later signed by President Mikhail Saakashvili in Tbilisi.

Russian military units remained in several Georgian settlements, including Gori, to prevent an escalation of violence.

August 13 was declared a day of mourning across Russia in memory of those who had fallen victim to Georgian aggression.

Russia subsequently started to withdraw its forces from Georgian territory.

cleopatraxxx

25-08-2008, 09:14 PM

Several Nato ship from Spain, Germany, Poland and US have arrived to the Black Sea during the last two days, says Russian Defence Ministry. This is getting dangerous now!

this is stupid.........all of it. wars wars more wars!
for heavens sake how long for this time?//////////?

cleopatraxxx

25-08-2008, 09:15 PM

And the scary thing is that wars are started by politicians, or maybe even puppet masters above them who care not a single thread about human life. :eek::(

true...:(

raul bloodworth

26-08-2008, 04:17 AM

This is an interresting read....Its quite long, but stick with it,

The Bear And The NWO
By Karl Schwarz
8-12-8

The absurdity of the warmongering actions of Georgia, the US-Zionist Israel puppet regime, came to full light in a speech by President Saakashvili on BBC Monday August 11, 2008:

"What we are seeing from the Russians is the cold-blooded, calculated, premeditated murder of a small nation."

The Georgians attacked Russia and South Ossetia. Now this Globalist Zionist liar is trying to re-write the history of his own actions. Same old NWO head games: black is white, up is down, war is peace. And accountability is only for suckers and wimps.

On Tuesday, August 12, David Sackur of BBC Hardtalk was interviewing David Bakradze, chairman of the Georgian Parliament. None of the Georgian leaders will say WHY they invaded South Ossetia. As Hardtalk ended, Bakradze was asked if this confrontation with Russia would validate Georgia's bid to become a NATO member.

Bakradze made the clear statement "What is going on now in Georgia is a test case. This is about the Russian view of the New World Order versus the West view of the New World Order. If Russia wins it will validate the Russian view of the New World Order."

NOW, FINALLY, we know why the US, Israel and Georgia attacked South Ossetia. It should now be clear to all Americans that the BushCo Zionist Oil-Soaked Criminal Cartel's view of the New World Order has been flatly rejected. Bush has accomplished nothing during his 8 years in office but mayhem and lies and mass murder.

As of Tuesday morning, Russia has attacked in the western part of Georgia along the Black Sea, apparently against new Georgian troop build-ups there. For all practical purposes, in response to being attacked by Georgia, US and Israel, Russia has cut Georgia in half and what remains under control by the "Saakashvili Regime' may be 'landlocked' by the end of Tuesday or Wednesday.

Russia just made it clear what it thinks of BushCo Pipeline Dreams and BushCo vision of the New World Order.

Of course, their co-conspirators over in DC are calling it 'a disproportionate response" and Deadeye **** says "Russia's actions must be responded to."

Lies, liars and damnable liars. (Cut the DEAL WITH IRAN you morons!)

I am not sure how many Americans know about the two wars Russia fought with Chechnya or even where Chechnya is located. Not many, that's certain. I have met too many Americans who can't even name the states that are adjacent to their own home states. And speaking to these multitudes of dumbed-down American cattle is the same endless stream of pancake make-up covered, hair-sprayed talking head 'internationally-recognized experts' on Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran - all of them spewing the same contrived DC bullshit like so much pungent, putrid McDonalds fast-food. Meals of fast food sound bites for the masses.

The Zionist US media is nothing but a mouthpiece, a bullhorn, for US Zionist policy and an extension of every damned lie DC can dream up.

Poor, dumb Americans...sitting around uncountable dens, offices and local coffee shop roundtables discussing nonsensical, ill-informed crap that was never true, isn't true now and never will be true. Many Americans can't even find on a map the nations they are such 'experts' on...and will never see the world as it really is.

Many Americans heard the "Al Qaeda rebels in Chechnya" and bought into the lies that the skirmishes were with Islamic "Al Qaeda" extremists. I, for one, will be glad when Americans figure out that Al Qaeda is the damned CIA that is the bottom line, folks.

Those wars were before 9-11 but were part of US policy and CIA actions to pave the way for the takeover of the Caspian Basin. The Chechnya confrontation was the New World Order trying to impose itself on Russia for a pipeline right-of-way. Read on.

Well, let's try Geography 101 and see if anyone in America wakes up to the realities of the matter. With Georgia and Russia at war right now, let's see if a map will clue in those clueless Americans.

Note on the map, Chechnya is directly next door to Georgia, and the US and Israel just pushed Georgia into an attack on Russia. There is a war going on there RIGHT NOW to push Russia back...and it is NOT working. The blowback from Russia has been exactly what I expected...ferocious.

Even with all of this 'help' from the US and Israel, the Georgian military has been laid to waste. This is not Iraq 1991, this is 2008 and the New Russia is for real. They are a Superpower economically and militarily...but unlike the US they do not owe $1 to anyone. Like China, they are cash rich and much of Russia's wealth is due solely to Stupid George Bush, the weakened dollar, the soaring costs of oil and natural gas.

As part of this idiot Grand Chessboard scheme, the morons in DC thought they could turn certain areas of Russia against Russia....but it has failed miserably, and these idiots will not stop trying to change what other people have already decided they want as their future.

They are getting desperate because this brain seizure was so big it was like a nuke going off. They reached, they failed...and America is falling into the abyss to its death.

Fact of life folks - to try to build a 'safe' pipeline from Kazakhstan through Dagestan, and CHECHNYA and then into Georgia to the Black Sea, OUR CIA and DOD stirred up a hell's nest in Chechnya...hoping that part of Russia would roll over for this ZIONIST LUNACY. They failed.

The other 'safe way' is called PEACE WITH RUSSIA. That cannot happen until we get rid of the Russia-hating Zionist lunatics in DC, London and Tel Aviv. Getting rid of these lying, murderous assholes would only be topped by the Second Coming of Christ as to making this world a better place.

That is a fact...and Americans need to wake the hell up to the realities of that fact.

In the prior piece Operation Dagestan, I showed other maps as to how this Caspian Basin area lays out in REAL WORLD geography, not the constant bullshit and propaganda Americans are fed 24/7 by DC and Zionist main stream media to fuel their coffee roundtable bullshit sessions in Outback, America.

They just show the small map on US TV. I have been watching this trick for years. They do not want Americans to connect the dots. Dots like...there is the Black Sea, and there is Georgia, and next to that there are Chechnya, Dagestan and Azerbaijan, and next to that is the Caspian Sea, and next to that is the Caspian Basin....mother lode of trillions of dollars in oil and gas these lying, murderous pricks have been after for THREE DECADES.

Their biggest fear in DC is Americans seeing the real truth and starting to refuse to support this lunacy.

I remember the US media reports on Chechnya well. They never, not even once on any news report I saw, disclosed that it was next door to their pipeline row component of GEORGIA. They know Americans are too stupid to read a map of America, much less a map of the world.

Note on the above map - 'NORTH OSSETIA" - and folks, there is a war in SOUTH OSSETIA right now. Get it?

Since they could not grab Chechnya, and since they could not get Dagestan, now these idiots think the only other alternative is attack Russia and push them out of South Ossetia. Never mind 99% of the people there are Russian citizens.

The 'boogeyman' Russia is too close to this crucial pipeline right-of-way. These idiot strategy planners decided it was time for a war to back Russia away from their geostrategic 'imperative' pipeline.

Get it?

They got their asses handed to them on a platter and many are dead due to this idiot move on South Ossetia. Russia won. Get it?

I am waiting for the reports. Many dead Russians in South Ossetia, but more importantly many dead American and Israeli military advisors, and many dead co-conspirators such as Ukrainians and mercenaries the US hired for this 'gig".

They are trying to back Russia up but the Bear doesn't do reverse. The Bear is going to attack and rip some asses to pieces after suffering over 15 years of lies and bullshit, and terrorism and murder put forth by DC, London and Tel Aviv.

The Georgian army, led by US and Israeli advisors, attacked South Ossetia on August 8 and Russia has thrown everything but nukes in reply. Why? Because RUSSIA IS FED UP WITH THE US AND UK AND ISREAL AND THESE CONSTANT ACTS OF WAR AND TERRORISM AGAINST RUSSIA.

Restraint from the Russian Bear is OVER, DONE, FINISHED.

Get it?

Chechnya is Russia. Get it? Dagestan is Russia. Get it? North and South Ossetia are Russia. Get it? That all borders the US Zionist puppet regime in Georgia. Get it? It is all about a pipeline. Get it?

There is no 're-emergence of the Cold War' on the horizon. The only thing on the horizon is a HOT WAR and it will be hotter than Americans can bear.

That is why the EU is freaking out now...because Russia can turn off most of its oil and gas valves and put the entire EU economy under. Most of the oil that goes through the current BTC pipeline that goes through Georgia goes to the EU...and Europe is starting to feel the heat of yet another STUPID US and ISRAEL stunt.

All that said...and trust me on this, too...you haven't BEGUN to see stupid yet. Just wait until either the US or Israel attacks Iran, and the EU finds out how much oil and gas it will NOT get for a long time. Many EU nations get from 10% to 25% of all of their energy from Iran, and here we have winter coming on and Russia in the driver's seat, not George W Booze-Brain Bush.

Operating out of Azerbaijan, our CIA created the war in Chechnya, largely bankrolled by exiled Zionist Russian oligarch (living like Royalty in London) Boris Berezovsky (failed); they tried to upend Dagestan (failed); and they are now tried to take over South Ossetia...and they failed miserably on all counts once again.

They have killed *Russian* people to get their way and Russia remembers things for a long, long time. The Bear remembers all too well what the Bolshevik zhids did to them with Communism and Joe Stalin's slaughter of up to 40 million Russians. The Bear is about to strike back...in spades...if these BushCo zhid killers don't pull WAY back and suck their thumbs for a while.

By the time Russia decides to stop bombing Georgia back into the Stone Age (until it gets a non-Zionist/CIA regime change) maybe Georgia will finally figure out that the US and Israel sent them on a Charge of the Light Brigade mission of total national suicide.

What is hilarious is watching Saakashvili pointing the map at how little 'beach frontage' Georgia has remaining on the Black Sea. It is apparent that Russia is going to leave the door open for their precious pipeline but Russia is NOT going to back up 100km, or 500km to accommodate idiot 'strategic planners' in DC.

The Bear just put it in 'park'...and the Bear is not moving.

It will not take the Russian Air Force many more days to level the entire infrastructure of Georgia. God help them if Russia gets fed up with 'Zionist shits and giggles' and sends 10-15 armored divisions along with the air force.

Watching the BBC, it's clear Russia is going to completely cut Georgia in half and leave the BushCo Zionists with ZERO Black Sea frontage for their last gasp pipeline.

Ok, now, let's see if anyone can connect these dots. September 11, 2001, Bush launches the fake Global War on Terror and has blown it bigtime. His only 'success' is in the destruction of further Constitutional rights and liberties in his own country. It was a lie from Day One. It was all about that damned BushCo pipeline across Afghanistan...just like the current crisis in Georgia is about another US pipeline...this one headed to the Black Sea. That had to create a mental illusion of 'terrorism' for Americans with 9-11, so they would go back to shopping and let Bullshit George go defend America on the world stage.

Biggest damned mistakes the American people have made in my lifetime were in trusting George W Bush...William Jeffereson Clinton and George H W Bush.

Before Bush was waging a war based 100% on lies in Afghanistan, the CIA started a war with Russia in Chechnya for another pipeline linking to Kazakhstan. Check a calendar if you do not have a mind for chronology and facts. This was from 1994 forward to about 2000 - the same period of time the US was trying to upend the entire area to suit US objectives.

Those oil and gas leases and those pipelines took advanced preparations, and all just waiting on 9-11 to put the entire lunatic plan into action.

Now that you know where Dagestan and Chechnya are, this reading can fill you in on dates:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

This all had nothing whatsoever to do with 'defending America'...but it has everything to do with oil, gas and critical pipelines, and lining the right DC, London and TelAviv pockets.

Bush attacks Afghanistan based on lies to take over a pipeline right-of-way the Taliban balked at.. A failure to this day.

Bush attacks, destroys Iraq based on yet a bigger pack of lies and another large block of oil. They are just now trying to begin to tap into Iraq's oil, bigtime.

Prior to all of that the CIA was trying to get Georgia, Chechnya, Dagestan into bed with US objectives, so the US and UK would have pipelines and wide rights-of-way to get the oil and gas out of a landlocked area.

The DoD had war games in Georgia that ended July 31, remember? And just 8 days later, US puppet Georgia, led by US and Israeli advisors, attacked South Ossetia, which just happens to border with NORTH Ossetia and is next door to Chechnya. Georgia just happens to be a pipeline right-of-way to the Black Sea. But now the Bear is sitting on western
Geogia and access to the Black Sea. Ooops. Another BIG dirty Bush diaper.

Get the picture folks?

They wanted awider right-of-way and South Ossetia was in the way. It is that damned simple in their retarded, fatassed minds. Unfortunately for them, the Bear said, "NO."

This is all a damned lie and it is all about US oil and gas and packing the pockets of a bunch of warmongering billionaire scumbags that most of us would not care to have a cup of coffee with.

A lot of young Russian men, women and children died or were maimed in Chechnya due to a war the US CIA started there with the Zionist Berevosky, and Russia never forgets. And now the Bear is sitting on Georgia.

GET IT?

In the period 1994-2000, Russia was not in a position to project power like the US. Today, Russia could easily take out an entire nuclear carrier attack force. Or, several of them...n just a few minutes. They are floating steel graveyards.

Times have changed...and Russia is not a nation to insult and try to bully like the idiots in DC, London and Tel Aviv have done all of my life.

The US objective was to take over Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, but, and this is a major BUT, it is a landlocked area and pipelines must be able to take the oil and gas to the sea. Forget about rail transit, there is far too much oil and gas involved.

They had to have control of Afghanistan and Pakistan to get oil out of the Caspian Basin region to the Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean. Get it?

Neither Afghanistan nor Pakistan are aligned with them now. They have managed to piss off that entire part of the world with US demands, lies, killing and bullshit.

They conspired to flip Chechnya to get that pipeline right-of-way. They lost, Russia won.

Repeated attempts have been made by OUR CIA to take over Dagestan. CIA lost, Russia won.

They finally got a puppet government installed in Georgia with the Zionist Globalist US-educated Saakashvili, and his dual Israeli citizen Zionist Jew Defense chief.

Look at the map people. They wanted Dagestan, Chechnya and Georgia so they had their pipeline pathway located a safe distance from the Russian boogeyman.

It never occurred to these idiots of the true Axis Of Evil in DC, London and Tel Aviv that the people who live in these areas prefer Russia to them. That is fact. Except for who the CIA bribed, bought or extorted, almost all of the people in these areas hate the US with a passion, and will for decades to come. It is not due to our freedoms, it is due to these arrogant gangsters in DC thinking they have the freedom to do whatever they want to other human beings anywhere, any time, any way they choose.

These killer gangsters refuse to change 'US policy' towards Iran because they intend to 'IRAQ IRAN' at their earliest opportunity...and that will set off the biggest [Censored] storm since World War II, but this time it will truly be a WORLD WAR involving three superpowers - two superpowers against the US and most of the world siding with those other two.

The WORLD is fed up with America people. They are fed up with the lies, the terrorism, the plundering, the intimidation and massive killing the Axis of Evil out of DC, London and Tel Aviv do again and again. And worse, they get by with it because Americans are such idiots they do not stop and think that what they just heard on TV are all damned lies.

So, right in front of your eyes there is Dagestan, Chechnya and Georgia, so they can get a pipeline to the Black Sea.

Get it?

They have enraged so many people, their only hope of getting that pipeline is across Azerbaijan and Georgia. The rest of the areas have emphatically said NYET.

Now, unless you want to be stuck in a foxhole over there and getting the dog [Censored] kicked out of you and raining down on your head, WAKE UP. For the love of God, America, wake up to what these lying Zionist thugs are up to.

Our leaders are liars and world criminals, and this has all been about oil, natural gas and pipelines and stuffing just the right pockets in the US and London and Tel Aviv.

The world is at the edge of the abyss. WAKE UP.

This is a summation of how incredibly stupid these people in DC are. The closest point that South Ossetia was to their precious pipeline route is 55km. This attack on South Ossetia was to push Russia back so they would be hundreds of kilometers from that pipeline.

It never occurs to the stupid bastards that a Russian jet from 1,000km away, or a few Russian Iskander missiles could take that pipeline out in minutes. Their 'rationale' in attacking South Ossetia was because Russian tanks could go that 55km and take over their precious pipeline in 1 hour. I kid you not. That is how myopic these shitheads are.

This Georgia fiasco was all about backing Russia up, so tanks could not be on top of their precious pipeline in about 1 hour.

These 'war planners' are sick, dumb bastards, and, trust me, none of them are going to push Russia back even one inch, much less 1,000 miles.

These people are shallow, murderous and stupid, too stupid to lead America and certainly too stupid to be "Masters of Planet Earth."

In the Clinton and Bush view of the NEW WORLD ORDER, they think they are entitled to carve up Russia any way they see fit and Russia is making it clear that they do not. Brzezinski actually has a drawn plan to carve Russia into four pieces. Honest. He's insane.

Chechnya, Dagestan, Georgia and South Ossetia as a pipeline route is the WEST'S view of the New World Order, and it has been flatly rejected by the entire Caspian Basin area except for Azerbaijan and Georgia.

Get the picture now?

I have a prediction. Zionist Israel is about to find out the full extent of what an enemy they have in Russia. Russia already has US in checkmate, The Zionist zhids and their 'democracy' of Israel are next.

Karl

papiowhisperer

26-08-2008, 05:25 AM

This is an interresting read....Its quite long, but stick with it,

Good read raul, thanks.

Would you please provide a link to the souce?

The other 'safe way' is called PEACE WITH RUSSIA. That cannot happen until we get rid of the Russia-hating Zionist lunatics in DC, London and Tel Aviv. Getting rid of these lying, murderous assholes would only be topped by the Second Coming of Christ as to making this world a better place.

The second coming is their backup plan.

I am waiting for the reports. Many dead Russians in South Ossetia, but more importantly many dead American and Israeli military advisors, and many dead co-conspirators such as Ukrainians and mercenaries the US hired for this 'gig".

Our Zionist controlled MSM will never allow that.

Biggest damned mistakes the American people have made in my lifetime were in trusting George W Bush...William Jeffereson Clinton and George H W Bush

True, many brain dead Americans voted for these criminals. I believe they were selected not elected anyway. As is the case with all our elections. Votes are worth less than a dollar.

The WORLD is fed up with America people. They are fed up with the lies, the terrorism, the plundering, the intimidation and massive killing the Axis of Evil out of DC, London and Tel Aviv do again and again. And worse, they get by with it because Americans are such idiots they do not stop and think that what they just heard on TV are all damned lies.

Many, many are idiots. Many, many are honest, God fearing individuals that are completely brainwashed by the false reality portrayed by the media.

There are also many, many people that are completely on board with the author. There are movements and media outlets working 24/7 to wake these sheople up.

As many of you know, a paradigm shift in thinking is necessary and that's the tough part. Often the messenger is attacked. I try, but not too hard. Soon the flock is going to be sheared, I see it coming and have prepared accordingly.

raul bloodworth

26-08-2008, 08:25 AM

Good read raul, thanks.

Would you please provide a link to the souce?

http://www.rense.com/general82/bear.htm

dangermouse

26-08-2008, 12:14 PM

Soon the flock is going to be sheared, I see it coming and have prepared accordingly.

I think culled is more accurate to describe what will happen, A free haircut wouldnt be bad :D

stelios

26-08-2008, 04:09 PM

GOOD NEWS

Russia recognises Abkhazian and South Ossetian independence.

http://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

musti

26-08-2008, 07:14 PM

GOOD NEWS

Russia recognises Abkhazian and South Ossetian independence.

sorry, but i don't see how this is good news if ptb are trying to start a war.

or was that a sarcastic comment?

tyler

26-08-2008, 07:28 PM

Let's hope Russia takes back the whole of Georgia and then the Ukraine kicking out all of the Sorus puppets and other Zionists.

pheony

26-08-2008, 07:31 PM

Thankyou raul, that was a good read.

papiowhisperer

26-08-2008, 07:32 PM

I think culled is more accurate to describe what will happen, A free haircut wouldnt be bad :D
I stand corrected, Sir. :)

strt

26-08-2008, 07:34 PM

Not on CNN yet.

This is confirmed from many sources, here is one of the links:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/home/9752373.asp?gid=244&sz=41374

(I will post this as separate thread because of this news importance. Admins can delete either post as they see fit.)

raul bloodworth

27-08-2008, 03:28 AM

Waters heating up in Black Sea....

With Russia not hiding its uneasiness over the presence of an increasing number of warships from NATO countries in the Black Sea, tension between Washington and Moscow is rising after the United States announced yesterday that it intends to deliver humanitarian aid to the beleaguered Georgian port city of Poti, which Russian troops still control through checkpoints on the city's outskirts.

The US announcement has been widely interpreted as a direct challenge to Russia. "At the request of the Georgian government, these ships will be delivering humanitarian aid to Poti," a spokesperson for the US Embassy in Tbilisi said. "The USS McFaul and another US ship will dock in Poti on Wednesday," the spokesperson added.

more
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=151342&bolum=102

stelios

27-08-2008, 04:49 AM

sorry, but i don't see how this is good news if ptb are trying to start a war.

or was that a sarcastic comment?

America and Israel are bullies.
Now that Russia has stood up to them they will back down
Probably go and invade Sudan or Somalia again.
It is not a sarcastic comment we all need a strong opponent for the USA/Israel and Russia and China are the only ones up for it.

Most expected Russia to back down but i am sincerely glad they showed they had a bit of bollocks about them.

musti

27-08-2008, 10:10 AM

America and Israel are bullies.
Now that Russia has stood up to them they will back down
Probably go and invade Sudan or Somalia again.
It is not a sarcastic comment we all need a strong opponent for the USA/Israel and Russia and China are the only ones up for it.

Most expected Russia to back down but i am sincerely glad they showed they had a bit of bollocks about them.

i happen to believe that this is all theater. events like these (involving large scale politics, governments, armies) don't happen without the control of illuminati/ptb/nwo whatever you call them.

i won't support any sides as i think that's what they want us to do, support sides and fight against each other! but i see your perspective and respect your opinion.

of course there is the slight possibility of russia in fact going against nwo, but i very highly doubt.

synergy777

27-08-2008, 03:10 PM

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=9234

Russian analyst points to link between Georgian attack and Iran
RIA Novosti – August 27, 2008

A senior Russian military analyst said on Wednesday that the U.S. and NATO by arming Tbilisi used the conflict in Georgia as a dress rehearsal for a future military operation in Iran.

Col. Gen Leonid Ivashov, president of the Academy of Geopolitical Studies, told a news conference at RIA Novosti, "We are close to a serious conflict - U.S. and NATO preparations on a strategic scale are ongoing. In the operation the West conducted on Georgian soil against Russia - South Ossetians were the victims or hostages of it - we can see a rehearsal for an attack on Iran. There is a great deal of "new features" that today are being fine tuned in the theater of military operations."

He said the likelihood of a war against Iran was growing with each passing day, "As a result, the situation in the region will become destabilized," and added "causing chaos and instability" was becoming Washington's official policy line.

Ivashov said it was difficult to predict how other countries would react to a conflict with Iran, but according to him, "old Europe" would be reluctant for events to develop and to some degree would become Russia's allies.

With regard to the Georgia-South Ossetian conflict, he said that one of the principal goals of NATO's "geopolitical operation" was to neutralize Russia as a global player.

South Ossetia was attacked by Georgian forces on August 8. Hundreds of people died in the assault, and Russia subsequently launched an operation to expel Georgian forces from the republic. Moscow concluded its operation to "force Georgia to peace" on August 12.

President Dmitry Medvedev signed decrees on Tuesday recognizing Georgia's breakaway republics of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states.

Western political leaders have condemned Russia's decision leading to fears of a renewed Cold War. U.S. President George Bush said in a statement on Tuesday: "Russia's action only exacerbates tensions and complicates diplomatic negotiations”

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080827/116318584.html

synergy777

27-08-2008, 03:13 PM

as for usa/israel/uk versus russia/china/iran, none of them are real enemies, they are controlled oppostion. none of them are the good guys. the nwo controls all governments via policy groups/think tanks etc, its covert control. do not fall for the divide and rule. the people of all nations/religions must be wise to this deception, and unite not engage in conflict. conflict which only empowers the elite and furthers their agenda.

synergy777

27-08-2008, 03:21 PM

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9907

The Eurasian Corridor: Pipeline Geopolitics and the New Cold War
by Michel Chossudovsky
August 22, 2008

The ongoing crisis in the Caucasus is intimately related to the strategic control over energy pipeline and transportation corridors.

There is evidence that the Georgian attack on South Ossetia on August 7 was carefully planned. High level consultations were held with US and NATO officials in the months preceding the attacks.

The attacks on South Ossetia were carried out one week after the completion of extensive US - Georgia war games (July 15-31st, 2008). They were also preceded by high level Summit meetings held under the auspices of GUAM, a US-NATO sponsored regional military alliance.

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War in Georgia Time Line

July 1-2, 2008 GUAM Summit in Batumi, Georgia.

July 1, "US-GUAM Summit" on the sideline of the official GUAM venue.

July 5 -12, Russian Defense Ministry hold War Games in the North Caucasus region under the codename "Caucasus Frontier 2008".

July 9, 2008 China and Kazakhstan announce the commencement of construction of the Kazakhstan-China natural gas pipeline (KCP)

July 15-31, The US and Georgia hold War Games under the codename Operation "Immediate Response". One thousand US servicemen participate in the military exercise.

August 7, Georgian Ground Forces and Air Force Attack South Ossetia

August 8, Russian Forces Intervene in South Ossetia.

August 14, 2008 Signing of US-Polish Agreement on the stationing of "US Interceptor Missiles" on Polish Territory

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Introduction: The GUAM Summit Venue

In early July 2008, a regional summit was held in the Georgian city of Batumi under the auspices of GUAM

GUAM is a military agreement between Georgia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan and Moldova, first established in 1997. Since 2006, following the withdrawal of Uzbekistan, GUAM was renamed: The Organization for Democracy and Economic Development - GUAM.

GUAM has little to do with "Democracy and Economic Development". It is a de facto appendage of NATO. It has been used by the US and the Atlantic Alliance to extend their zone of influence into the heartland of the former Soviet Union.

The main thrust of GUAM as a military alliance is to "protect" the energy and transportation corridors, on behalf of the Anglo-American oil giants. GUAM countries are also the recipients of US-NATO military aid and training.

The militarization of these corridors is a central feature of US-NATO planning. Georgia and Ukraine membership in NATO is part of the agenda of controlling the energy and transport corridors from the Caspian Sea basin to Western Europe.

The July 1-2, 2008 GUAM Summit Batumi meetings, under the chairmanship of President Saakashvili, focused on the central issue of pipeline and transportation corridors. The theme of the Summit was a "GUAM – Integrating Europe’s East”, from an economic and strategic-military standpoint, essentially with a view to isolating Russia.

The presidents of Azerbaijan, Georgia and the Ukraine (respectively Ilham Aliyev, Mikheil Saakashvili and Viktor Yushchenko) were in attendance together with the presidents of Poland, Lech Kaczynski, and Lithuania, Valdas Adamkus. Moldova's head of State flatly refused to attend this summit.

Map No 1: Georgia

Undermining Russia

The GUAM Summit agenda focused on undermining Moscow's influence in the Caucasus and Eastern Europe. The Polish President was in attendance.

US-NATO installations in Eastern Europe including the Missile Defense Shield are directly related to the evolving geopolitical situation in the Caucasus. Barely a week after the bombing of South Ossetia by Georgian forces, the US and Poland signed an agreement (August 14) which would allow the US Air Force to deploy US "interceptor missiles" on Polish soil:

"... As military strategists have pointed out, the US missiles in Poland pose a total existential threat to the future existence of the Russian nation. The Russian Government has repeatedly warned of this since US plans were first unveiled in early 2007. Now, despite repeated diplomatic attempts by Russia to come to an agreement with Washington, the Bush Administration, in the wake of a humiliating US defeat in Georgia, has pressured the Government of Poland to finally sign the pact. The consequences could be unthinkable for Europe and the planet. " (William Engdahl, Missile Defense: Washington and Poland just moved the World closer to War, Global Research, August 15, 2008)

The "US-GUAM Summit"

Barely acknowledged by the media, a so-called "US-GUAM Summit" meeting was also held on July 1st on the sidelines of the official GUAM summit venue.

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State David Merkel met both GUAM and non-GUAM delegations behind closed doors. Several bilateral meetings were held including a Poland GUAM meeting (during which the issue of the US missile defense shield on Polish territory was most probably addressed). Private meetings were also held on July 1st and 2nd at the residence of the Georgian President.

US-Georgia War Games

Barely two weeks following the GUAM Summit of July 1-2, 2008, US-Georgian military exercises were launched at the Vaziani military base, outside Tbilisi,

One thousand U.S and six hundred Georgian troops began a military training exercise under Operation "Immediate Response". US troops included the participation of the US Air Force, Army, Marines and National Guard. While an Iraq war scenario had been envisaged, the military exercises were a dress rehearsal for an upcoming military operation. The war games were completed on July 31st, a week before the onset of the August 7th Georgian attacks on South Ossetia.

Troops from Ukraine and Azerbaijan, which are members of GUAM also participated in Operation "Immediate Response" Unexpectedly, Armenia which is an ally of Russia and a staunch opponent of Azerbaijan also took part in these games, which also served to create and "train and work together" environment between Azeri and Armenian forces (ultimately directed against Russia).

Brig. Gen. William B. Garrett, commander of the U.S. military’s Southern European Task Force, was responsible for the coordination of the US-Georgia war games.

Gen. William B. Garrett and Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili

Russia's War Games in the North Caucasus

Russia began large-scale military exercises involving some 8,000 military personnel, some 700 armored units and over 30 aircraft ( in the North Caucasus republics of the Russian Federation on July 5th. (Georgian Times, July 28, 2008)

The Russian war games were explicitly carried out in response to the evolving security situation in Abhkazia and South Ossetia. The exercise, dubbed "Caucasus Frontier 2008", involved units of the 58th Army and the 4th Air Force Army, stationed in the North Caucasus Military District.

A Russian Defense Ministry spokesman acknowledged that the military exercises conducted in the Southern Federal District were being carried out in response to "an escalation in tension in the Georgian-Abkhaz and Georgian-Ossetian conflict zones,...[and] that Russia’s North Caucasian Military District was ready to provide assistance to Russian peacekeepers in Abkhazia and South Ossetia if needed.” (Georgian Times, July 28, 2008, RIA-Novosti, July 5, 2008)

These units of the North Caucasian Military District (Army and Air Force) were subsequently used to lead the Russian counterattack directed against Georgian Forces in South Ossetia on August 8th.

Pipeline Geopolitics

A central issue on the GUAM-NATO drawing board at the July GUAM Summit in Batumi, was the Odessa-Brody-Plotsk (Plock on the Vistula) pipeline route (OBP) (see Maps 3 and 4), which brings Central Asian oil via Odessa, to Northern Europe, bypassing Russian territory. An extension of OBP to Poland's port of Gdansk on the Baltic sea is also envisaged.

It should be noted that the OBP also links up with Russia's Friendship Pipeline (Druzhba pipeline) in an agreement with Russia.

Washington's objective is ultimately to weaken and destabilize Russia's pipeline network --including the Friendship Pipeline and the Baltic Pipeline System (BPS)-- and its various corridor links into the Western Europe energy market.

It should be noted that Russia has established as part of the Druzhba pipeline network, a pipeline corridor which transits through Belarus, thereby bypassing the Ukraine. (See Maps 2 and 3 below)

The Baltic Pipeline System (BPS) also operated by Russia's Transneft links Samara to Russia's oil tanker terminal at Primorsk in the Gulf of Finland. (See map below) It carries crude oil from Russia's Western Siberian region to both North and Western European markets.

Another strategic pipeline system, largely controlled by Russia, is the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC). The CPC is a joint venture arrangement between Russia and Kazakhstan, with shareholder participation from a number of Middle East oil companies.

The Baltic Pipeline System (BPS) is tied into the Atyrau-Samara (AS) pipeline, which is a joint venture between Russia's Transneft and Kazakhstan's national pipeline operator, KazTransOil. The AS pipeline in turn links up with the Russia-Kazakhstan Caspian Petroleum Consortium (CPC), which pumps Tengiz crude oil from Atyrau (Western Kazakhstan) to the CPC’s Russian tanker terminal near Novorossiysk on the Black Sea.

On July 10, 2008, barely a week following the GUAM Summit, Transneft and KazTransOil announced that they were in talks to expand the capacity of the Atyrau-Samara pipeline from 16 to 26 million tons of oil per year. (RBC Daily, July 10, 2008).

The GUAM Transportation Corridor

The GUAM governments represented at the Batumi GUAM Summit also approved the further development of The GUAM Transportation Corridor (GTC), which complements the controversial Baku Tblisi Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline. The latter links the Caspian Sea basin to the Eastern Mediterranean, via Georgia and Turkey, totally bypassing Russian territory. The BTC pipeline is controlled by a oil consortium led by British Petroleum.

Both the GTC and the BTC corridors are protected militarily by GUAM and NATO.

The GTC corridor would connect the Azeri capital of Baku on the Caspian sea to the Georgian ports of Poti/ Batumi on the Black Sea, which would then link up with the Ukrainian Black sea port of Odessa. (And From Odessa, through maritime and land routes to Western and Northern Europe).

Map No 2: Strategic Pipeline Routes. BTC, Friendship Pipeline, Baltic Pipeline System (BPS), CPC, AS

Map No. 3. Russia's Druzhba pipeline system

Map No 4 Eastern Europe. Plock on the Vistula

The Baku Tblisi Ceyan (BTC) Pipeline

The BTC pipeline dominated by British Petroleum and inaugurated in 2006 at the height of the war on Lebanon, has dramatically changed the geopolitics of the Eastern Mediterranean, which is now linked, through an energy corridor, to the Caspian sea basin:

"[The BTC pipeline] considerably changes the status of the region's countries and cements a new pro-West alliance. Having taken the pipeline to the Mediterranean, Washington has practically set up a new bloc with Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey and Israel, " (Komerzant, Moscow, 14 July 2006)

Map No 5. The Baku, Tblisi Ceyan pipeline (BTC)

Pipeline Geopolitics and the Role of Israel

Israel is now part of the Anglo-American military axis, which serves the interests of the Western oil giants in the Middle East and Central Asia. Not surprisingly, Israel has military cooperation agreements with Georgia and Azerbaijan.

While the official reports state that the BTC pipeline will "channel oil to Western markets", what is rarely acknowledged is that part of the oil from the Caspian sea would be directly channeled towards Israel. In this regard, an underwater Israeli-Turkish pipeline project has been envisaged which would link Ceyhan to the Israeli port of Ashkelon and from there through Israel's main pipeline system, to the Red Sea.

The objective of Israel is not only to acquire Caspian sea oil for its own consumption needs but also to play a key role in re-exporting Caspian sea oil back to the Asian markets through the Red Sea port of Eilat. The strategic implications of this re-routing of Caspian sea oil are farreaching.

What is envisaged is to link the BTC pipeline to the Trans-Israel Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline, also known as Israel's Tipline, from Ceyhan to the Israeli port of Ashkelon. (For further details, see Michel Chossudovsky, The War on Lebanon and the Battle for Oil, Global Research, 26 July 2006)

Map No 6. Trans-Israel Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline

America's Silk Road Strategy: The Trans-Eurasian Security System

The Silk Road Strategy (SRS) constitutes an essential building block of US foreign policy in the post-Cold War era.

The SRS was formulated as a bill presented to the US Congress in 1999. It called for the creation of an energy and transport corridor network linking Western Europe to Central Asia and eventually to the Far East.

The Silk Road Strategy is defined as a "trans-Eurasian security system". The SRS calls for the "militarization of the Eurasian corridor" as an integral part of the "Great Game". The stated objective, as formulated under the proposed March 1999 Silk Road Strategy Act, is to develop America's business empire along an extensive geographical corridor.

While the 1999 SRS legislation (HR 3196) was adopted by the House of Representatives, it never became law. Despite this legislative setback, the Silk Road Strategy became, under the Bush Administration, the de facto basis of US-NATO interventionism, largely with a view to integrating the former Soviet republics of the South Caucasus and Central Asia into the US sphere of influence.

The successful implementation of the SRS required the concurrent "militarization" of the entire Eurasian corridor from the Eastern Mediterranean to China's Western frontier bordering onto Afghanistan, as a means to securing control over extensive oil and gas reserves, as well as "protecting" pipeline routes and trading corridors. The invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001 has served to support American strategic objectives in Central Asia including the control of pipeline corridors. Afghanistan border onto Chinese Western frontier. It is also a strategic landbridge linking the extensive oil wealth of the Caspian Sea basin to the Arabian Sea.

The militarization process under the SRS is largely directed against China, Russia and Iran. The SRS, called for:

"The development of strong political, economic, and security ties among countries of the South Caucasus and Central Asia and the West [which] will foster stability in this region, which is vulnerable to political and economic pressures from the south, north, and east. [meaning Russia to the North, Iraq, Iran and the Middle East to the South and China to the East] (106th Congress, Silk Road Strategy Act of 1999)

The adoption of a neoliberal policy agenda under advice from the IMF and the World Bank is an integral part of the SRS, which seeks to foster "open market economies... [which] will provide positive incentives for international private investment, increased trade, and other forms of commercial interactions". (Ibid).

Strategic access to South Caucasus and Central Asian oil and gas is a central feature of the Silk Road Strategy:

"The region of the South Caucasus and Central Asia could produce oil and gas in sufficient quantities to reduce the dependence of the United States on energy from the volatile Persian Gulf region." (Ibid)

The SRS is also intent upon preventing the former Soviet republics from developing their own economic, political and military cooperation ties as well as establishing broad ties up with China, Russia and Iran. (See Michel Chossudovsky, America's "War on Terrorism", Global Research, Montreal, 2005).

In this regard, the formation of GUAM, which was launched in 1997, was intended to integrate the former Soviet republics into military cooperation arrangements with the US and NATO, which would prevent them from reestablishing their ties with the Russian Federation.

Under the 1999 SRS Act, the term "countries of the South Caucasus and Central Asia" means Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan. (106th Congress, Silk Road Strategy Act of 1999).

The US strategy has, in this regard, not met its stated objective: Whereas Ukraine, Azerbaijan and Georgia have become de facto US protectorates, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Armenia and Belarus are, from a geopolitical standpoint, aligned with Moscow.

This extensive Eurasian network of transport and energy corridors has been defined by Washington as part of an American sphere of influence:

"In the Caspian-Black Sea Region, the European Union and the United States have concentrated on setting up a reliable logistics chain to connect Central Asia with the European Union via the Central Caucasus and Turkey/Ukraine. The routes form the centerpiece of INOGATE (an integrated communication system along the routes taking hydrocarbon resources to Europe) and TRACECA (the multi-channel Europe-Caucasus-Asia corridor) projects.

The TRACECA transportation and communication routes grew out of the idea of the Great Silk Road (the traditional Eurasian communication channel of antiquity). It included Georgian and Turkish Black Sea ports (Poti, Batumi, and Ceyhan), railways of Georgia and Azerbaijan, the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline, ferry lines that connect Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan with Azerbaijan across the Caspian Sea/Lake (Turkmenbashi-Baku; Aktau-Baku), railways and highways now being built in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, and China, as well as Chinese Pacific terminals as strategically and systemically important parts of the mega-corridor." (See GUAM and the Trans-Caspian Gas Transportation Corridor: Is it about Politics or Economics?),

The Kazakhstan-China Natural Gas Pipeline (KCP)

Barely a few days following the GUAM Summit in Batumi, China and Kazakhstan announced (July 9, 2008) the commencement of construction work of a 1,300-kilometer natural gas pipeline. The inaugural ceremony was held near Kazakhstan's capital Almaty.

The pipeline which is to be constructed in several stages is expected to start pumping gas in 2010. (See silkroadintelligencer.com, July 9, 2008)

"The new transit route is part of a larger project to build two parallel pipelines connecting China with Central Asia’s vast natural gas reserves. The pipes will stretch more than 7,000 kilometers from Turkmenistan, cross Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, and enter China’s northwestern Xinjiang region. Uzbekistan started construction of its part this month while Turkmenistan launched its segment last year." (Ibid)

Map No 7. Kazakhstan-China natural gas pipeline (KCP)

China’s National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) which is the leading operator of the consortium, "has signed deals with state oil and gas firms of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan giving them 50 percent stakes in their respective parts of the pipeline."

The KPC pipeline project encroaches upon US strategic interests in Eurasia. It undermines the logic of America's Silk Road Strategy. The KPC is part of a competing Eurasian based transportation and energy strategy, largely dominated by Russia, Iran and China.

Competing Eurasian Strategy protected by the SCO-CSTO Military Alliance

The competing Eurasian based corridors are protected (against US-NATO encroachment) by two regional military alliances: the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) and the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO)

The SCO is a military alliance between Russia and China and several Central Asian former Soviet republics including Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Iran has observer status in the SCO.

The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), which plays a key geopolitical role in relation to transport and energy corridors, operates in close liaison with the SCO. The CSTO regroups the following member states: Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

Of significance, since 2006, the SCO and the CSTO member countries have conducted joint war games and are actively collaborating with Iran.

In October 2007, the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) signed a Memorandum of Understanding, laying the foundations for military cooperation between the two organizations. This SCO-CSTO agreement, barely mentioned by the Western media, involves the creation of a full-fledged military alliance between China, Russia and the member states of SCO/CSTO. It is worth noting that the SCTO and the SCO held joint military exercises in 2006, which coincided with those conducted by Iran. (For further details see Michel Chossudovsky, Russia and Central Asian Allies Conduct War Games in Response to US Threats, Global Research, August 2006)

While remaining distinct from an organizational standpoint, in practice, these two regional military alliances (SCO and SSTO) constitute a single military block, which confronts US-NATO expansionism in Central Asia and the Caucasus.

Full Circle

The US-NATO protected SRS Eurasian transport and energy corridors, are slated to link Central Asia to the Far East, as outlined in the Silk Road Strategy. At present, the Eastward corridors linking Central Asia to China are protected militarily by the SCO-CSTO.

In terms of Washington's global military and strategic agenda, the Eurasian corridors contemplated under the SRS would inevitably encroach upon China's territorial sovereignty.The proposed US-NATO-GUAM pipeline and transportation corridors are intended to connect, at some future date, with the proposed transport and energy corridors in the Western hemisphere, including those envisaged under the North American Security Prosperity Partnership (SPP).

The Security Prosperity Partnership (SPP) is to North America what the Silk Road Strategy (SRS) is to the Caucasus and Central Asia. They are strategic regional constructs of America's business empire. They are the building blocks of the New World Order.

The SPP is the result of a similar process of strategic planning, militarization and free market economic integration, largely based on the control of strategic resources including energy and water, as well as the " protection" of energy and transportation corridors (land and maritime routes ) from Alaska and Canada's Arctic to Central America and the Caribbean basin.

Author's Note: This article has focused selectively on key pipeline corridors with a view to analyzing broad geopolitical and strategic issues.
An examination of the overall network of Eurasian pipeline corridors would require a far more detailed and comprehensive presentation.

Related Article:

War in the Caucasus: Towards a Broader Russia-US Military Confrontation?
- by Michel Chossudovsky - 2008-08-10

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cleopatraxxx

27-08-2008, 11:55 PM

Waters heating up in Black Sea....

With Russia not hiding its uneasiness over the presence of an increasing number of warships from NATO countries in the Black Sea, tension between Washington and Moscow is rising after the United States announced yesterday that it intends to deliver humanitarian aid to the beleaguered Georgian port city of Poti, which Russian troops still control through checkpoints on the city's outskirts. ....

more
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=151342&bolum=102

How MORE HUMANITARIAN it can be than DELIVERING AID IN MILITARY CRAFT, EG WARSHIPS??????

I AM BOILING!

peachped

28-08-2008, 12:53 AM

Military help for Georgia is a 'declaration of war', says Moscow in extraordinary warning to the West

NATO called for Russia to reverse its decision on recognition for the two enclaves, both Georgian under international law.

But the new 'president' of South Ossetia, Eduard Kokoyty, called for Russian military bases on his territory.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23545668-details/MilitaryhelpforGeorgiaisa'declarationofwar',saysMo scowinextraordinarywarningtotheWest/article.do#readerComments

pheony

28-08-2008, 01:19 AM

This is not looking good at all.

cleopatraxxx

28-08-2008, 01:43 AM

This is not looking good at all.

no it isn't.. at all..

these idiots are going to start extermination of the Human kind
after all isnt it all to reduce the Earths population???
i am still boiling!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

size_of_light

28-08-2008, 08:15 AM

It's definitely escalating but I'd expect it to result in a regional war, possibly with tactical nukes, not a global nuclear holocaust for now.

They're spending way too much time gradually building the momentum on it, which could only mean that they care about the political paper trail when it's all done and dusted.

When it comes time for the big one, and they're ready to wipe out most of the population, it'll just be a brief justification and then bang!

kimball13

28-08-2008, 08:16 AM

Myself and many other's have warned people for a long time. I have bin activly seeking solutions for 29 years, and the bigest obsticle to over come is the pride of some of our leaders and there empoyee's. Love, Humilty and being Meak are the only real solutions to all of this. And for those that think being meak is a sign of weakness,,,,,,,Wrrrronnnng, (here is an extreem definition, but these time require that no punches are pulled)meeknes is having the capability to get what ya want, or to fight a percieved enemy, to be able to Destroy or build and choosing not to so that a win win situation can be found, so that even the party at fault suffers no ill effects do to there arrogance, Morihi Usheba, Bruce Lee, Jesus Christ, Mrtin Luther King,King David, and dont forget God, shall i go on (these are all men that practiced meekness).......When these priciples are neglected we end up acting like Hitler, Pal Pot, Herod etc. So the only real solution is to relize that anyone can accumulate power, it is when we give those with power the athourity to make policy that things become corrupt, I will put it this way a police officer does not make Laws it is the constitution along with the will of the people coupled with knowlegble wise men to write the laws to be upheld with the Police/armed forces. Weopons were first created to hunt for food that the people needed, then some guy with a pridefull idea decided it was easer just to take from his neihgbor because he was bigger or had more mouths to feed. I will end with that because it would take me awhile to explain this concept to a person filled with pride, and please dont get me wrong there is good pride, that is pride in a job well done and pride in another for a job well done, not pride of self, you did not create your life experince, you may be mixing up resposible desicions and calling it pride, and by doing this good decision making becomes pride(just like manson, or many others, Hitler, im sure this one will piss a few of but yes even King David fell to his good desicion making skills becomeing a pridefull arrogance.:eek: Oh ya those that have th e power to uphold policy should have the right to not participate in something that may go against there morals, because this caused extreem ptsd and desensitisation, that is why some of our fine soldeirs coming home have a difficult time, they were orderd to do things unimaginable then they come howm and god forbid if they want to share what they went throught with there loved one's, they feel like they are hidding a monster in the basement from there family, so they remain quite with all of that pent up pain and hurt until it comes out just like a neglected child who sooner or later churns to drugs, gang, criminal activiety to aleviat the pain and get what they feal they deserve for the service they gave, Some feal that there piddly pension or the welfare they have to go on is an insult (and it is an insult) for the things (they were made to beleive)they had to do...Give our soleirs a break and treat them as a sick freind, see if they need a freind, someone just to sit with them, and dont bee afraid. Here the best way i can describe the pain, it is like when someone sticks there knee in the middle of your back and not letting you up, or twisting your balls, hav ya ever gotten kicked square in the cooloe,,, well when you experince prolonged pain at these levels whether it is physical,mental,emotional, or spiritual, any person will do almost anything to end the pain.......Trust me i have heard some horrible things happening to people, and the pain they have bin through, and not to be pridefull(just sure) there are very few people that have experinced the levels of pain that ive gone through and people have put me through, and when someone that prides themselves of the pain they have gone through when the meat me and learn a little about me they become very JEOLOUSE and begin a proces of denile to justifie the harm they have caused others because of there pain, especialy when they want me to become just like them.......They saw in me a power and authority that they wanted to controle and mold into a perfect killing machine(!) just look at the picture to the left, there are some that have seen me go through obsticles/advesarys (enemys of the mind and body)just imagine someone throwing very highly trained individuals and groups at ya your whole life.......I use to think myself almost worthless because i never recieved reward or honors(medals)for the lives i started to save at the age of 9, then i reliezed that i had stepped in between death and alot of people, and death was pissed, then i became fearfull who was i to take on death itself, so i wated then i reliezed that alll it could do was try to charecter assasinate me, and o-boy did thye trie. If you just glance at my public records i look like a very undesirable person that they cant get anything on so they just keap trying to frame me, the thing is when someone realy looks past the first page will relize that they are looking at someone that has bin done a great injustice. I meen why did the only part of my court record that was sealed containd a letter froma cheif investigator of the da's office, he says in it , this man is a very honest man with integrety and a willingness to do the right thing, it goes on but ya get the point.......Not to mention what ive bein doning for 6 years now, even with all of my advesarie's coming at me all at once (1,680), but who knows maybe ive got 144,000plus, and judging by the ration that ive come up with lets say each one has 5,000 that would mean that the good ratio has better odds144,000x5,000.

That and i did not start a public campange until this web site, and i can see the imediate responce. They would not let me just be, they kept houndeing me, i was willing to resing myself to going to school and bcoming a nurse because i figured a nurse maybe the profesion for me because at least when someone comes to the hostpital they must nead help and hopefully want it, pretty cut and dry help all that come through the doors, it was going to take 5 years,,,,,,,It is very obviouse that God work's in mysteriose ways and Called me to remind me of the service i singed up for 38 years ago, i remember a 6mnths looking up at the christmas tree and feeling/thinking how beutifull God Is.......those that try to ambush God's plans are very foolish, did thye think they were going to do to me, what the Turk's did to Vlad the Impaler and turm me into a vengful person that looses sight of God's Love.......And believe me when i say ive sat and spoken to many a individual that confessed there sins, i learned that they were given choices that only could lead to a sinful act in one way or another, either by folowing an order or request so as to get what there family needed to be finacialy secure because they didnot want there children to want inthe way they did. And please remember some go to war so that other do not have to loose there inocense(imagine sacrificing your own inocence so that others may retain theres so that the children learn not to kill)Maybe that is why i do what i do, i can be a warrior and still retain my innocence(maybe that is why some consider me a waste, becaus i have a very wide range of talents that are sought after by variose overt and covert organizations. As weel as some of them think me as less than, because i do not murder my enemy's, bu you harm one cholds hair and its a garanty someithing wil happend, and some of them joke about that by saying(well im still alive) they like telling people how weak i am, the thing is ive seen everone of those people suffer greatly(from variose unkown causes)including death(in extream cases)

It is impossible for the body to survive without a heart/mind/soul, and when these are gone the body soon follows, so to those that want to continue down a path of destrucion like ive said before leave me out of it i have other work to do, and if saving lives interfears with your work then i will ask you to reconsider because it may just be your life i save or the life of a loved one,,,,,,,just as there is positive and negitive there is also one that takes life and another that gives life.......the only life that has bin ended by me has bin a mouse with a broken back and a dear i found on the road with a broken back also, the only other death i have attended was the putting down of a freinds dog, he was very sick and thye only thing keaping him alive was causein him uncontrolable sesures, so i was asked to come and be with him in his las moments, he was/is a very loveing wise dog that had a very painfull life yet his love was great, he helped resolidifie my purpose, he spoke to me before he passed away, he lifted his head looke me in the eye's and i could feal him telling me to follow the purpose i was given long ago, he showed me myself thorugh his love and loyalty with his last breath, and this is why ive alway felt that some animals are are TRuely God's Angel's sent here to watch over us and guide us to truly become what God intended us to be.

size_of_light

28-08-2008, 09:55 AM

There's a lot to read there kimball. Maybe you should make your posts a bit shorter, or include a few more paragraph breaks, because it's pretty hard to take it all in.

To answer your question: yes, I have been kicked really hard in the balls.