Agents of the matrix posting on the forum

[kasalt]

I've noticed a rather disturbing trend lately: A few forum members are here to promote certain "teachers" and ideologies, and if the truth conflicts with their agenda, then it is the truth that gets sacrificed. Regardless of what the topic is or who the agent is, the modus operandi remains the same. Whether the subject is Osho-Rajneesh (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401177#post401177), Eckhart Tolle (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27232), or the House of Yahweh (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14182), these agents bang on and on about their respective "teachers", and in the process they dismiss out of hand or simply ignore the evidence that anyone else presents against them. Then, if the truth gets to be too obvious to deny or ignore, they simply quit posting on that thread, and the next thing you know is they've hopped onto another thread where they are repeating the same programming as before, as though they had never missed a beat.

The good news though is that I don't think anyone is being fooled by it. :D ;)

Here's a photo of some of our forum matrix agents at a meeting:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/Matrix_Agents.jpg

[eternal_spirit]

I've been on some of the threads mentioned and had experience of the Osho bots, Tolle trolls and the creepy Crowley thelemite crew.

They attack the messengers and try psychoanalise you and regurgitate some warped spiel about how you've got and A to Z of problems and their Gurus have the answers

a big WTF for taking a discussion off topic and not debating the issue and the persons who the topics are about, seems to be thier agenda.

[seanx]

I've noticed a rather disturbing trend lately: A few forum members are here to promote certain "teachers" and ideologies, and if the truth conflicts with their agenda, then it is the truth that gets sacrificed. Regardless of what the topic is or who the agent is, the modus operandi remains the same. Whether the subject is Osho-Rajneesh, Eckhart Tolle, or the House of Yahweh, these agents bang on and on about their respective "teachers", and in the process they dismiss out of hand or simply ignore the evidence that anyone else presents against them. Then, if the truth gets to be too obvious to deny or ignore, they simply quit posting on that threat, and the next thing you know is they've hopped onto another thread where they are repeating the same programming as before, as though they had never missed a beat.

The good news though is that I don't think anyone is being fooled by it

The MOST laughable post on this forum.

What we do is DISCUSS THE IDEAS of these people.

The IDEAS of these people. Not the gossip about their lives.


Because we open our minds and READ THEIR BOOKS.

Try it someday. Read their ideas FIRSTHAND - and make up your
own mind.

We don't reply on copyng and pasting information from rationalist
and humanist and all such sites who regard ANY spititual ideas as
'suspect' and mad'.

Which is all you guys ever do.

So tell Mr kasalt - waht is your opinion of icke's spiritual ideas?
Tell us how they differ from the people you attack?

So we can suss out the real trools who are on this site to attack
any IDEAS that may be spititual in nature.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Hi Kasalt:

Golly, since it is quite obvious you have included me amongst the Nefarious Agents of the Matrix :rolleyes:

I must of course reply. Here is my Retort: TISH TOSH!

Is anyone here aware Kasalt himself is an ardent Dis-Informationalist? I certainly am. Just the other day, Kasalt Posted Jesus is Horus and Forum Members should view Zeitgeist Part One and believe it.

For those of us who certainly know better, his agenda becomes quite obvious. In the past Kasalt has Posted many dis-information Posts concerning the Book of Yahweh (bible) and about Yahshua specifically, I informed him of his errors and it's been love ever since. :rolleyes:

Kasalts 'Problem' as I see it is: Deity Envy; the Power of YHWH disconcerts him, and he has an overweening desire to co-opt, deform and then conform Yahshua(jesus) to his own 'world view', of which of course, I was compelled to inform him this was a vain pursuit, as ultimately the 'Truth' shall be known.

Yet he persists.

In the Thread I created; 'The Book of Yahweh(what's up with that}, I utilise The Book of Yahweh as produced by the House of Yahweh, 'A CULT' of Messianic Yahwists, who expended a great deal of effort producing a much more accurate rendering of the Bible than is commonaly availiable. Is this rendering perfect? No, but the degree of scholarship becomes readily apparent to an unbiased and critical eye.

Here are some sample pages:

GENESIS Page 1
http://www.yahweh.com/gen1.html

1 John

http://www.yahweh.com/yahch1.html

The House of Yahweh has come under a Cloud of Disrepute. Allegation of the Founder Buffalo Bill Hawkins-AKA-Yisrayl Hawkins has been arrested and acused by local Authorities in Abilene Texas for Promoting Polygamy. He has also alledgedly sired children by some young female (of legal age, not minors) members of the congregation, annother young Elder is accused of molesting a female(of minor age) member of the Congregation.

My personal opinion is, as a non-member, yet an Endorser of their Product of Proven Superior Translations(they include original sources for their conclusions; Encyclopedias, Lexicons, etc. Full Credit and Proper Context).

That said: 'Where there is smoke, there is usually fire. IMO, they are probably guilty of what the Authorities are charging them with, and their fall form Grace, discredits all the prior work they and other members of the Congregation have produced.

And though it brings their Product into question, the Product remains to be examined with an unbiased and critical eye, something Kasalt has proven himself incapable of.

Kasalt, would you repost your mullet jesus Post for the readers as an example of your lack of discernment? How about reposting the Krishnians review of the Bible, though it was readily apparent he had never read the Book, so in essence a Liar. This Post also reveals your lack of discernment.

You simply do not want other Forum Members to have a clearer understanding of the Book of Yahweh, because you are jealous of the attention the Book and its Characters receive.

"Snoopsnuffleopagus is an Agent of the Matrix",

I like that!! :D

yet a bit 'Woo Woo' wouldn't you agree? Have you seen my Links Post?

The House of Yahweh is but one of several dozen resources that I use, because they have produced Quality Product. And alot of it is online.

I also utilise Libraries, both State and Local and Museums, and of course they are all Governmental Entities. :eek:


Since Appellations are being 'Cast' about, may I opine, I think you are a 'Gatekeeper'; albeit a rather inept one, as you do not want Readers to be accurately informed about Yahweh and Yahshua.

You may disparage and discredit the Messenger, but the Message remains unscathed.


Hallelu Yahweh!!!! Praise Yahweh


Thank You


&


Kind Regards: Sn:):)ps


See you at the IL Forum 'Karl' ;)

[kasalt]

See what I mean? :rolleyes:

[jayelowell]

if you chose to listen to these agent... what does that say about you?

http://bp1.blogger.com/_T7Tq7PDjiwI/RuBdQq5hvvI/AAAAAAAAATc/2rvgEj3elJc/s320/red_pill_blue_pill.jpg

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

See what I mean? :rolleyes:


I don't. A 'Roll of the eyes' emoticon is a bit shallow and superficial support considering the Gravity of the Allegation you have 'Cast'.

But then, I have stepped in puddles on the sidewalk that revealed greater depth then what you have shared with us concerning this most egregious matter.

Since you are a Servant of Lord Krishna, would that not make you an "Agent of the Matrix".

KASALT: "Agent of the Matrix", its got a ring to it, donchaya think?

we need some dragnet muzak here.

I leave for work now, but I shall expect to find a more robust rebuttal of my Post by the time I return.


Thank you for your continued consideration, and keep up your inept efforts.

As always;

Kind Regards: Snoops


you probably do not realise this, but; at the end of that long, hard, dusty day, you, yourself are an asset of YHWH, helping His Plan to be brought forth and to more prevelent in the eyes of readers, you are an impetus(A tool, Blunt Object)

I will bring you an Essay, a very important Essay of Yisrayl Hawkins and you may Critique it. OK?

You may expound upon every flaw that you perceive, thus Proving to the Readers the Scholarship of the House of Yahweh is Meritless and without Value.

[kasalt]

So tell Mr kasalt - waht is your opinion of icke's spiritual ideas?
Tell us how they differ from the people you attack?

So we can suss out the real trools who are on this site to attack
any IDEAS that may be spititual in nature.

I've already told you Seanx, here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=442793#post442793) and here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=447481#post447481). Of course, you never bothered to reply.

[kasalt]

Is anyone here aware Kasalt himself is an ardent Dis-Informationalist? I certainly am. Just the other day, Kasalt Posted Jesus is Horus and Forum Members should view Zeitgeist Part One and believe it.


I challenge you to provide a link to this post you allege I made.

What's the matter Snoops? Can't find it? That's because I never, ever, made such a post in my entire life. So who's the "Dis-Informationalist" now?

...Actually, I won't pin you too hard to the ground on this, because I obviously realize that you simply have me confused with someone else. ;) (See how balanced and fair-minded I am? :))

A 'Roll of the eyes' emoticon is a bit shallow and superficial support considering the Gravity of the Allegation you have 'Cast'.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Since you are a Servant of Lord Krishna, would that not make you an "Agent of the Matrix".

It might, Snoopsniffssnuff, it just might. You see, I never claimed to be fully "aware" myself. I'd like to think that I will soon become fully aware, but I figure as long as I'm trapped in this mortal coil (and possibly even beyond it) I am as susceptible to being duped as anyone else. People should (and do) take my opinions and suggestions with as much salt as they do anyone else's.

But the big difference between you and me is that you won't find me promoting certified con artists and posting their material in an effort to bolster my point, all while trying to deny that the source is bogus in the process. And you also won't find me dodging and ignoring indisputable proof to the contrary and then giving up on that thread when the heat is on, only to resurface a few days later somewhere else on the forum, posting the same drivel that just got demolished several days before. Now that's really what I'd call agent-like behaviour, and that's not how I operate.

I will bring you an Essay, a very important Essay of Yisrayl Hawkins and you may Critique it. OK?

You may expound upon every flaw that you perceive, thus Proving to the Readers the Scholarship of the House of Yahweh is Meritless and without Value.

Why would you want to promote that false prophet all over again? Speaking for myself, you've posted enough HOY propaganda on this forum to last me a lifetime. I may bother to look at it or I may not.

[notthisshitagain]

Then, if the truth gets to be too obvious to deny or ignore, they simply quit posting on that thread

... Like its happening right now?:D

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

... Like its happening right now?:D


bad, bad, bad snoops, he doesn't sit at the 'puter' all day like us, he must work and do stuff outside his house, bad, bad, bad AGENT OF THE MATRIX: SNOOPSNUFFLEOPAGUS

Well, I found where it was, the Infinite Love Forum, and you have already deleted it. Your protest was too overdrawn, if you were a Professional Actor, you would be considered a 'Ham'.

Quote by KASALT:
I challenge you to provide a link to this post you allege I made. [I accept your challenge, as I am certain I saw it, and i knew it was you, AHA!]


What's the matter Snoops? [no problemo] Can't find it? [wow, that was alot of time you gave me] That's because I never, ever, [cross my heart and hope to die] made such a post in my entire life. So who's the "Dis-Informationalist" now? [You are, Proofiness Ensues.]

...Actually, I won't pin you too hard to the ground on this, because I obviously realize that you simply have me confused with someone else. (Yes, you are KARL-At the Infinite Love Forum) (See how balanced and fair-minded I am? )[I would say unbalanced and biased, but what the hey!, you're only human, I think]





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methinks you do protest too much.


by Kasalt:It might, Snoopsniffssnuff, it just might. You see, I never claimed to be fully "aware" myself.(Nor have I) I'd like to think that I will soon become fully aware, but I figure as long as I'm trapped in this mortal coil (and possibly even beyond it) I am as susceptible to being duped as anyone else. People should (and do) take my opinions and suggestions with as much salt as they do anyone else's. (how about the deliberate deception, materiel you know is bogus, yet post anyways to deceive and mis-lead? mullet jesus, and the lying krishnians review of the bible? will you continue to dodge this, or be honest.)

But the big difference between you and me is that you won't find me promoting certified con artists and posting their material in an effort to bolster my point,( Like Zeitgeist?) all while trying to deny that the source is bogus in the process.(YES, you do) And you also won't find me dodging and ignoring indisputable(Which I have not done, all my responses are still on record) proof(allegations, no proof) to the contrary and then giving up on that thread (you are obliged to provide evidence of this) when the heat is on,(Heat is a 'Relative' property, your 'Heat' does not rise above a Low Tepidness, you couldn't make a 'Boil' if your life depended on it.) only to resurface a few days later somewhere else on the forum, posting the same drivel that just got demolished several days before.(this is pure, unadulterated [B]'WOO WOO", again, like others, you make Allegations without any supporting Evidence, you go bring an example of this to the table and make sure it is linked to the original Posts) Now that's really what I'd call agent-like behaviour, and that's not how I operate.(kasalt, you are a 24 karat phony, and as for producing Drivel, that seems to be your Forte)


Now you have some Evidence to produce, your allegations about me are False. You have stated them, now Prove them, with Linked Posts.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Yooo Hooo; AGENT OF THE MATRIX: KASALT!!!!!!

sheesh, it took about 53 seconds to find this Turd(maybe the aroma emanating from this Post aided the search?) Now why is it, though I requested it numerous times(in the very Threads you claim I was dodging you) you never brought it back to the table for a well needed critical examination.

Woo Woo

I'll Post it now, and 'play' with it later, I know where the other Post is and will Post it at my leisure.

We'll let this Turd stink up this Thread for a while, sorta Marinate it. :D




Originally Posted By: AGENT of the MATRIX: KASALT

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10134&highlight=mullet

Is anyone familiar with this website:

http://www.lovewithoutend.com/

It was set up by a woman named Glenda Green. Her bio states that she is the "author of the best-selling Love Without End, Jesus Speaks, and artist of the internationally acclaimed painting, "The Lamb and The Lion." She is acknowledged by the nation's leading scholars, critics, and museum officials as one of the world's foremost portrait painters and spiritual artists. With paintings in such important collections as the Smithsonian Institution, the Museum of the City of New York, and Williams College Museum of Art, Glenda Green has for many years been considered one of America's finest realist oil painters."

In her book, Love Without End, Jesus Speaks, she claims to have had face-to-face conversations with "Jeshua" (i.e., Jesus), which I realize is immediately problematic for those of us who suspect that this individual may never have actually lived in the first place. However, I have read this book (link to Amazon.com), and I did find it to be quite insightful IMO.

She also sells a collection of blended essential oils. I have tried several, and I must say that the one called "Forgiveness" is quite possibly the most wonderful aroma I have ever smelled. It is certainly the most wonderful aroma I have ever smelled from a bottle! Here's a link to it if anyone is interested in trying it:


http://lovewithoutend.com/product_in...products_id=39


Here is the .jpg of her portrait entitled "The Lamb and the Lion":



Here is a link to her article explaining the meaning of this portrait, called "The Story Behind the Miracle Painting":

http://lovewithoutend.com/custom/ind...4958c93c7f0236



Glenda Green authored
the best-selling book
“Love Without End, Jesus
Speaks” and “The Keys
of Jeshua.”




Locate a Regional Study Group or find out how to start a study group in your area.


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Her spiritual writing and teaching are also now legendary. They have come
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“The Lamb and The Lion.”

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Biographical references include, North American Women Artists of the Twentieth Century: A Biographical Dictionary, edited by Jules Heller and Nancy G. Heller; Angels A to Z, by James R. Lewis and Evelyn Oliver, 1996. Who's Who in American Art, (15th and 16th Editions); Who's Who in the South and Southwest, (17th, 18th, and 19th Editions); Who's Who of American Women (12th, 13th, and 14th Editions); Dictionary of International Biography, Vol. 16.

Glenda Green has authored the best-selling “Love Without End, Jesus Speaks”
and “The Keys of Jeshua.” In 1992 she painted the internationally acclaimed masterpiece, "The Lamb and The Lion." She is acknowledged by the nation's
leading scholars, critics, and museum officials as one of the world's foremost
portrait painters and spiritual artists. With paintings in such important collections
as the Smithsonian Institution, the Museum of the City of New York, and Williams College Museum of Art, Glenda Green has for many years been considered one of America's finest realist oil painters. Glenda's creative style as an artist is marked by intuitive spirituality, profound emotion, evocative color, and exquisite craftsmanship.


AGENT of the MATRIX: KASALT!!!

what was that you were saying about promoting 'Certified Con Artists'?

We shall explore ms.green and her 'claims' in depth on the 'morrow.

Until Then; Kind Regards: Snoops :)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

gotta say kman, I luv this Title, you know, AGENT of the MATRIX, this could become more popular than: TEMPORAL CO-ADJUTOR.

It would be a wonderful Title for a Series of Books and of course a Full Length Motion Picture.


AGENTS OF THE MATRIX: The Conquest of Humankind

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[seanx]

Quote:
Originally Posted by seanx
So tell Mr kasalt - waht is your opinion of icke's spiritual ideas?
Tell us how they differ from the people you attack?

So we can suss out the real trools who are on this site to attack
any IDEAS that may be spititual in nature.

[/B].

[B]I've already told you Seanx, here and here. Of course, you never bothered to reply


No, I asked you what is your opinion of Icke's spiritual ideas? And
how they differ from the people you attack? Not more nonsense about
Osho

I don't want some gossip you can copy and paste from
the Internet.

What is YOUR view of Icke's spiritual ideas and how do they
conflict with the people you attack?

No more gossip - let's focus on IDEAS.

Or as snoops seems to have 'exposed the real you' - is there another
reason why you and the rest of the matrix established religions attacks
these ideas ??

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

No, I asked you what is your opinion of Icke's spiritual ideas? And
how they differ from the people you attack? Not more nonsense about
Osho

I don't want some gossip you can copy and paste from
the Internet.

What is YOUR view of Icke's spiritual ideas and how do they
conflict with the people you attack?

No more gossip - let's focus on IDEAS.

Or as snoops seems to have 'exposed the real you' - is there another
reason why you and the rest of the matrix established religions attacks
these ideas ??


hi seanx: AGENT of the MATRIX:kasalt, reminds me of the frowzy house frau who greatest joy is salacious gossip and innuendo and unsubstantiated allegations, he takesa joy in others misfortune, I think he would make a good writer fot the National Enquirer or Star Weekly News, or some such journal. :rolleyes:

all I can say is: It is both an Honour and a Pleasure to be a major part of his focus, as he is an impetus for me to bring forth more excellent information.

thank you kasalt for all that you do!! ;)


cheers! seanx


as for ideas, they are pretty scarce coming from kasalt.


seanx, if you wish to probably waste time on kasalt, bring a concept to the table, he has only once addressed any of the doctrinal issues I have presented to him. That was his opinion of the Torah, of course it was a bile ridden opinion, lacking discernment, but he did reply, once.


Later I will Post an Essay, replete with stunning concepts, and I shall attempt to walk him through it, step by step, it may improve his discernment and disposition. I can always hope.

[kasalt]

Is anyone here aware Kasalt himself is an ardent Dis-Informationalist? I certainly am. Just the other day, Kasalt Posted Jesus is Horus and Forum Members should view Zeitgeist Part One and believe it.


I challenge you to provide a link to this post you allege I made.


Well, I found where it was, the Infinite Love Forum, and you have already deleted it.

Wrong again Snoops! Why don't you just quit while you're behind?

The fact is that I've been critical of some of Zeitgeist pt. 1, especially in my "Krishna, Jesus, and the conspiracy of religion (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16462&highlight=zeitgeist)" thread for what I perceive to be its many errors of fact. I even engaged Acharya S in discussion/debate on that thread, with Sunyatta posting her replies, and I stand by everything I wrote on that thread.

I never posted anything on this or any other forum about "Jesus is Horus and Forum Members should view Zeitgeist Part One and believe it", so who's the "Dis-Informationalist" now?

[kasalt]

No, I asked you what is your opinion of Icke's spiritual ideas? And
how they differ from the people you attack? Not more nonsense about
Osho

I don't want some gossip you can copy and paste from
the Internet.

What is YOUR view of Icke's spiritual ideas and how do they
conflict with the people you attack?

No more gossip - let's focus on IDEAS.

Or as snoops seems to have 'exposed the real you' - is there another
reason why you and the rest of the matrix established religions attacks
these ideas ??

Snoops hasn't "exposed" a thing about me that I haven't already exposed about myself in my own posts on this forum. (However, I must say that some of my views have changed and evolved for the better over the past year or more that I've been active on this forum.)

It strikes me as odd that you would try to cast yourself in the roll of inquisitor on this thread over my opinion of Icke's "spiritual ideas", even as you yourself have criticized Icke for his "spiritual ideas" on other threads (e.g., this thread started by you: Is David Icke retracting all his ideas and now making fun of us all (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27528)). That's just a tad hypocritical of you, don't you think? I know I do.

Nevertheless, if you would care to be more specific about what you mean by Icke's "spiritual ideas", I don't have any problem with giving you my opinion of them.

[seanx]

kasalt wrote:
It strikes me as odd that you would try to cast yourself in the roll of inquisitor on this thread over my opinion of Icke's "spiritual ideas", even as you yourself have criticized Icke for his "spiritual ideas" on other threads (e.g., this thread started by you: Is David Icke retracting all his ideas and now making fun of us all). That's just a tad hypocritical of you, don't you think? I know I do.
Nevertheless, if you would care to be more specific about what you mean by Icke's "spiritual ideas", I don't have any problem with giving you my opinion of them.

No, it's not.

It called debating IDEAS.

Not been concerned with personalities or gossip.

As for 'Inquisitor'.

Could you read your first post here? And your desire to
expose the 'agents' on this forum!

It's laughable. Maybe you're launching your own Ickean Inquistion
on this forum?

You should ask the baron and EP for some advice on this as these
'matrix Christians' have a bit of experience in this field !


But you seem quite hesitant to reveal your OWN opinion on icke's
spiritual ideas, his view on God, the nature of reality etc.

In fact, you seem adverse to any type of spiritual ideas, that
are outside the matrix.

Anyway, gossip is juicier and less brain-taxing.

[disorder2k8]

I have no idea what you're on about.

I guess it doesn't affect me, and/or I have some internal bull-shit detector that kicks in and impedes my absorption of said material.

[kasalt]

It called debating IDEAS...

But you seem quite hesitant to reveal your OWN opinion on icke's
spiritual ideas, his view on God, the nature of reality etc.

In fact, you seem adverse to any type of spiritual ideas, that
are outside the matrix.

Anyway, gossip is juicier and less brain-taxing.

I'll try it again.

You use the term "spiritual ideas", which strikes me as a pretty amorphous term. Would you care to specify exactly what "spiritual ideas" you referring to? Then--and only then--can I give you my opinion.

[seanx]

I'll try it again.

You use the term "spiritual ideas", which strikes me as a pretty amorphous term. Would you care to specify exactly what "spiritual ideas" you referring to? Then--and only then--can I give you my opinion.

You obviously need time to find a site you can copy and paste from,
so I'll play along.........

Take your time.....

[kasalt]

It called debating IDEAS.

Not been concerned with personalities or gossip.

As for 'Inquisitor'.

Could you read your first post here? And your desire to
expose the 'agents' on this forum!

It's laughable. Maybe you're launching your own Ickean Inquistion
on this forum?

This thread was intended to be humourous to some extent Seanx. I mean, me posting a still photo of the agents from the Matrix movie and suggesting that it was a photo of you guys holding a group meeting is just plain funny. I did consider posting this thread in the "Have a laugh" sub-forum.

But I also did it to help drive home what I feel is a legitimate point (which is why I decided not to post this in "Have a laugh") and that point is that when you guys are presented with solid evidence that contradicts your already established agenda, you simply ignore the evidence an proceed on with your agenda. I find that you guys behave much like a program in this regard, in that a program simply does not recognize foreign data that contradicts its instructions. I'm not launching an inquisition with this thread, I'm only making an observation.

But you seem quite hesitant to reveal your OWN opinion on icke's spiritual ideas, his view on God, the nature of reality etc.

In fact, you seem adverse to any type of spiritual ideas, that
are outside the matrix.Since you won't provide me with specific examples of what you mean by David Icke's "spiritual ideas", Seanx, all I can say is that I have read several of David Icke's books, from Truth Vibrations to the Guide to Global Conspiracy, and nothing stands out that I fundamentally disagree with other than a few factual errors that I regard to be trivial when compared to the overall massive scheme of things. I am a premier subscriber who has read all of his newsletters and I believe they are all right on the mark. In short, I wouldn't be a premier subscriber to David Icke's website if I didn't agree with his views on a fundamental level.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Yooo Hooo; AGENT OF THE MATRIX: KASALT!!!!!!

sheesh, it took about 53 seconds to find this Turd(maybe the aroma emanating from this Post aided the search?) Now why is it, though I requested it numerous times(in the very Threads you claim I was dodging you) you never brought it back to the table for a well needed critical examination.

Woo Woo

I'll Post it now, and 'play' with it later, I know where the other Post is and will Post it at my leisure.

We'll let this Turd stink up this Thread for a while, sorta Marinate it. :D




Originally Posted By: AGENT of the MATRIX: KASALT

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10134&highlight=mullet

Is anyone familiar with this website:

http://www.lovewithoutend.com/

It was set up by a woman named Glenda Green. Her bio states that she is the "author of the best-selling Love Without End, Jesus Speaks, and artist of the internationally acclaimed painting, "The Lamb and The Lion." She is acknowledged by the nation's leading scholars, critics, and museum officials as one of the world's foremost portrait painters and spiritual artists. With paintings in such important collections as the Smithsonian Institution, the Museum of the City of New York, and Williams College Museum of Art, Glenda Green has for many years been considered one of America's finest realist oil painters."

In her book, Love Without End, Jesus Speaks, she claims to have had face-to-face conversations with "Jeshua" (i.e., Jesus), which I realize is immediately problematic for those of us who suspect that this individual may never have actually lived in the first place. However, I have read this book (link to Amazon.com), and I did find it to be quite insightful IMO.

She also sells a collection of blended essential oils. I have tried several, and I must say that the one called "Forgiveness" is quite possibly the most wonderful aroma I have ever smelled. It is certainly the most wonderful aroma I have ever smelled from a bottle! Here's a link to it if anyone is interested in trying it:


http://lovewithoutend.com/product_in...products_id=39


Here is the .jpg of her portrait entitled "The Lamb and the Lion":



Here is a link to her article explaining the meaning of this portrait, called "The Story Behind the Miracle Painting":

http://lovewithoutend.com/custom/ind...4958c93c7f0236



Glenda Green authored
the best-selling book
“Love Without End, Jesus
Speaks” and “The Keys
of Jeshua.”




Locate a Regional Study Group or find out how to start a study group in your area.


About Glenda



In 1992 Glenda painted the internationally acclaimed masterpiece, “The Lamb
and The Lion.” She is acknowledged by the nation's leading scholars, critics, and museum officials as one of the world's foremost portrait painters and spiritual artists. With paintings in such important collections as the Smithsonian Institution, the Museum of the City of New York, and Williams College Museum of Art, Glenda Green has for many years been considered one of America's finest realist oil painters. Glenda's creative style as an artist is marked by intuitive spirituality, profound emotion, evocative color, and exquisite craftsmanship.

Her spiritual writing and teaching are also now legendary. They have come
from inspired collaboration with “Jeshua,” — Jeshua ben Joseph (son of Joseph). Jesus Christ is the name by which he is known in many modern cultures.

Jeshua first appeared to Glenda in 1991, manifesting from a field of Light that inundated her in such waves of Love that her world stood still and transformed forever. Subsequently, they began to enjoy daily communion as she proceeded
with their first project, which was painting the now internationally renowned
“The Lamb and The Lion.”

During these first visits Jeshua effectively revealed and dismantled Glenda’s ego identity and led her to know her true nature as love. In these days there were
also poignant challenge to her self confidence, amidst the struggles of doubt, unworthiness, and endless questions.

Miracles have followed, however, in the aftermath of their co-creations. Extraordinary healings have occurred, in body, mind, and spirit in the lives of thousands, who attest to the unique depth of wisdom that flows from Jeshua
in his messages through Glenda. The “Way” he has shown is both mystical and eminently practical. It is offered from the highest levels of wisdom, magnetizing
the soul into the Christ Heart.

The work continues to evolve. Glenda has become the teacher to many who are emerging through this Work and expressing its tools and wisdom in their own unique ways. In loving service many are working to alleviate suffering in humanity, and inspiring countless numbers of beings to express the fullness of their intimate union with God, who is but Love.

She has also taught on the faculties of Tulane University and the University of Oklahoma. She is an exceptional public speaker in high demand. Her warm, witty and confident manner evokes our inner certainty of a higher awareness. Glenda
has a clean energetic style, and masterful comprehension of the most critical spiritual issues. Her writing and teaching offer genuine opportunities to acquire
a truer, more complete, understanding of the universe and our own place in it.


Counseling sessions with Glenda:

“One of my greatest loves is helping others personally with their spiritual pathway. Through Jeshua’s help, we have facilitated miraculous growth and positive change for many people. Please contact our office to set up a completely confidential telephone appointment. My fee is $100 an hour, which can be made as a tax-deductible contribution to Spiritis Church. It can be as short as 30 minutes or as long as you need, although I suggest no more than an hour per session to give you time to process and integrate whatever is brought to light before further sessions.”

To schedule a private session please call 1-888-453-6324


Biographical references include, North American Women Artists of the Twentieth Century: A Biographical Dictionary, edited by Jules Heller and Nancy G. Heller; Angels A to Z, by James R. Lewis and Evelyn Oliver, 1996. Who's Who in American Art, (15th and 16th Editions); Who's Who in the South and Southwest, (17th, 18th, and 19th Editions); Who's Who of American Women (12th, 13th, and 14th Editions); Dictionary of International Biography, Vol. 16.

Glenda Green has authored the best-selling “Love Without End, Jesus Speaks”
and “The Keys of Jeshua.” In 1992 she painted the internationally acclaimed masterpiece, "The Lamb and The Lion." She is acknowledged by the nation's
leading scholars, critics, and museum officials as one of the world's foremost
portrait painters and spiritual artists. With paintings in such important collections
as the Smithsonian Institution, the Museum of the City of New York, and Williams College Museum of Art, Glenda Green has for many years been considered one of America's finest realist oil painters. Glenda's creative style as an artist is marked by intuitive spirituality, profound emotion, evocative color, and exquisite craftsmanship.


AGENT of the MATRIX: KASALT!!!

what was that you were saying about promoting 'Certified Con Artists'?

We shall explore ms.green and her 'claims' in depth on the 'morrow.

Until Then; Kind Regards: Snoops :)


kasalt, now is the time for you to explain to the readers the Merit of the information contained in this womans message, in this Post of yours, and why you personaly think it would be helpful for a Human Beings development to embrace her Message. :)

And please expound on your suggestion to purchase the Oils and the efficacy of the tangible benefits of these Oils.

And then we will explore the review of the Bible you presented and the whys and wherefors.

Thank You for your consideration

&

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus










and as a Super Double Happy Bonus: Please provide your own erudite analysis of the Scholarship of the House of Yahwehs sample of two pages from the Book of Yahweh.

Genesis
http://www.yahweh.com/gen1.html

1 John

http://www.yahweh.com/yahch1.html

[seanx]

Kasalt wrote:

But I also did it to help drive home what I feel is a legitimate point (which is why I decided not to post this in "Have a laugh") and that point is that when you guys are presented with solid evidence that contradicts your already established agenda, you simply ignore the evidence an proceed on with your agenda. I find that you guys behave much like a program in this regard, in that a program simply does not recognize foreign data that contradicts its instructions. I'm not launching an inquisition with this thread, I'm only making an observation.

Solid evidence ?

But your evidence was torn to sheds.

For example, you quoted Osho was wanting to cut
'people's heads off'.

You thought this showed he was violent and psychotic.

Until people, who had actually read Osho had to tell you 'cutting
your head off' is a metaphor for disidentifying yourself exclusively
with your ego ..with your head ....instead of your whole body.


all I can say is that I have read several of David Icke's books, from Truth Vibrations to the Guide to Global Conspiracy, and nothing stands out that I fundamentally disagree with other than a few factual errors that I regard to be trivial when compared to the overall massive scheme of things.

Well, we have that in common then.

We both think Icke's view of reality is more accurate than the
fairytale religion or 'official science' sells us?

And let's compare these IDEAS with Tolle's IDEAS....


Both Icke and Tolle's idea seems to be that beyond the illusory
personalities, 'egos' that we use ( personalities that are good, in
fact essential for us to experience the game of separation we're
playing here) is the one consciousness - Infinite Consciousness.


Both are of the view that life is this Infinite Consciousness
experiencing itself in an infinity of forms in an infinity
of dimensions.


They are saying, right where you are sitting now, right beside you,
but vibrating at incredibly fast and different frequencies are probably
billions of different worlds and dimensions.


Worlds that you'll have eternity to experience. I mean where
will you be in 10,000 years time? Probably experiencing another
version of infinite life on one of these dimensions?

They go further:

They'd said, going by their books that we are ALL Infinite
Consciousness but that the reptilian entities (and a lot of humans)
have lost virtually total contact with this Consciousness.


They are cut off so much from the life-renewing prana or energy of
Infinite consciousness that this is the real reason behind all the
satanic rituals - to 'steal' and 'rob' the lifeforce or energy of
pure young souls in order to survive.


Extreme fear is also a 'feeding' energy for them- and that's
why they impulse humans who are vibrating near their frequency to
create scenarios in human affairs to create this 'nourishment'.

Tolle's refer to this as the 'pain body' a psychic entity, made up
of all our past thoughts and slef-loathing.


And that's the 'matrix' we're living in: a 'prison' we've incarnated
into where we're kept almost in a state of constant fear.

Fear of survival, fear of separation, fear of
sickness, fear of death, fear of annilation, a decent into
nothingness....... fear of ridicule and humilation if we step
out of the beliefs of consenus reality ...and say there is another
greater reality.


But both Icke and Tolle say that, at a deep unconcious level,
we have actually chosen this: we have chosen to 'incarnate'
in this tiny, 'version of reality' to remind all the entites trapped
for eons in this 'illusion' to start to remember that there is a greater
reality behind the matrix reality.



.....'That it only started off as a 'game' - but you have all totally
forgotten this', especially the reptilian entities who have now
virtually cut off from even the very last tiny,tiny thread of light
connecting them to Infinite Consciousness.


So you see my problem.

You regard icke as sound and 'fundamentally' right, yet you regard
Tolle and other writers like him who express similar ideas as
frauds.

Yet there is hardly a paper distance between their insights on the
world

[kasalt]

kasalt, now is the time for you to explain to the readers the Merit of the information contained in this womans message, in this Post of yours, and why you personaly think it would be helpful for a Human Beings development to embrace her Message.

I'm not sure of the merit of the information contained in this woman's message, that's why I posted it--to get other people's opinion on the matter. It's as simple as that, get over it. Over and out.

You see snoops, you are here to propagandize for your religious belief system, and therefore you think that I am here to do the same thing. I'm not.


And please expound on your suggestion to purchase the Oils and the efficacy of the tangible benefits of these Oils.

I thought some of them smelled good.

and as a Super Double Happy Bonus: Please provide your own erudite analysis of the Scholarship of the House of Yahwehs sample of two pages from the Book of Yahweh.
:rolleyes:

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Originally Posted By: KASALT

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...ghlight=mullet

Is anyone familiar with this website:

http://www.lovewithoutend.com/

It was set up by a woman named Glenda Green. Her bio states that she is the "author of the best-selling Love Without End, Jesus Speaks, and artist of the internationally acclaimed painting, "The Lamb and The Lion." She is acknowledged by the nation's leading scholars, critics, and museum officials as one of the world's foremost portrait painters and spiritual artists. With paintings in such important collections as the Smithsonian Institution, the Museum of the City of New York, and Williams College Museum of Art, Glenda Green has for many years been considered one of America's finest realist oil painters."

In her book, Love Without End, Jesus Speaks, she claims to have had face-to-face conversations with "Jeshua" (i.e., Jesus), which I realize is immediately problematic for those of us who suspect that this individual may never have actually lived in the first place. However, I have read this book (link to Amazon.com), and I did find it to be quite insightful IMO.

She also sells a collection of blended essential oils. I have tried several, and I must say that the one called "Forgiveness" is quite possibly the most wonderful aroma I have ever smelled. It is certainly the most wonderful aroma I have ever smelled from a bottle! Here's a link to it if anyone is interested in trying it:


http://lovewithoutend.com/product_in...products_id=39


Here is the .jpg of her portrait entitled "The Lamb and the Lion":



Here is a link to her article explaining the meaning of this portrait, called "The Story Behind the Miracle Painting":

http://lovewithoutend.com/custom/ind...4958c93c7f0236



Glenda Green authored
the best-selling book
“Love Without End, Jesus
Speaks” and “The Keys
of Jeshua.”




Locate a Regional Study Group or find out how to start a study group in your area.


About Glenda



In 1992 Glenda painted the internationally acclaimed masterpiece, “The Lamb
and The Lion.” She is acknowledged by the nation's leading scholars, critics, and museum officials as one of the world's foremost portrait painters and spiritual artists. With paintings in such important collections as the Smithsonian Institution, the Museum of the City of New York, and Williams College Museum of Art, Glenda Green has for many years been considered one of America's finest realist oil painters. Glenda's creative style as an artist is marked by intuitive spirituality, profound emotion, evocative color, and exquisite craftsmanship.

Her spiritual writing and teaching are also now legendary. They have come
from inspired collaboration with “Jeshua,” — Jeshua ben Joseph (son of Joseph). Jesus Christ is the name by which he is known in many modern cultures.

Jeshua first appeared to Glenda in 1991, manifesting from a field of Light that inundated her in such waves of Love that her world stood still and transformed forever. Subsequently, they began to enjoy daily communion as she proceeded
with their first project, which was painting the now internationally renowned
“The Lamb and The Lion.”

During these first visits Jeshua effectively revealed and dismantled Glenda’s ego identity and led her to know her true nature as love. In these days there were
also poignant challenge to her self confidence, amidst the struggles of doubt, unworthiness, and endless questions.

Miracles have followed, however, in the aftermath of their co-creations. Extraordinary healings have occurred, in body, mind, and spirit in the lives of thousands, who attest to the unique depth of wisdom that flows from Jeshua
in his messages through Glenda. The “Way” he has shown is both mystical and eminently practical. It is offered from the highest levels of wisdom, magnetizing
the soul into the Christ Heart.

The work continues to evolve. Glenda has become the teacher to many who are emerging through this Work and expressing its tools and wisdom in their own unique ways. In loving service many are working to alleviate suffering in humanity, and inspiring countless numbers of beings to express the fullness of their intimate union with God, who is but Love.

She has also taught on the faculties of Tulane University and the University of Oklahoma. She is an exceptional public speaker in high demand. Her warm, witty and confident manner evokes our inner certainty of a higher awareness. Glenda
has a clean energetic style, and masterful comprehension of the most critical spiritual issues. Her writing and teaching offer genuine opportunities to acquire
a truer, more complete, understanding of the universe and our own place in it.


Counseling sessions with Glenda:

“One of my greatest loves is helping others personally with their spiritual pathway. Through Jeshua’s help, we have facilitated miraculous growth and positive change for many people. Please contact our office to set up a completely confidential telephone appointment. My fee is $100 an hour, which can be made as a tax-deductible contribution to Spiritis Church. It can be as short as 30 minutes or as long as you need, although I suggest no more than an hour per session to give you time to process and integrate whatever is brought to light before further sessions.”

To schedule a private session please call 1-888-453-6324


Biographical references include, North American Women Artists of the Twentieth Century: A Biographical Dictionary, edited by Jules Heller and Nancy G. Heller; Angels A to Z, by James R. Lewis and Evelyn Oliver, 1996. Who's Who in American Art, (15th and 16th Editions); Who's Who in the South and Southwest, (17th, 18th, and 19th Editions); Who's Who of American Women (12th, 13th, and 14th Editions); Dictionary of International Biography, Vol. 16.

Glenda Green has authored the best-selling “Love Without End, Jesus Speaks”
and “The Keys of Jeshua.” In 1992 she painted the internationally acclaimed masterpiece, "The Lamb and The Lion." She is acknowledged by the nation's
leading scholars, critics, and museum officials as one of the world's foremost
portrait painters and spiritual artists. With paintings in such important collections
as the Smithsonian Institution, the Museum of the City of New York, and Williams College Museum of Art, Glenda Green has for many years been considered one of America's finest realist oil painters. Glenda's creative style as an artist is marked by intuitive spirituality, profound emotion, evocative color, and exquisite craftsmanship.

END

How intrigueing, a woman Channeling a Spirit she 'thinks' is Yahshua(Yahweh is Salvation) but says the name of the spirit is Yeshua(He is Salvation), As if Yahshua doesn't know His own Name and would remove His Fathers Name from His.

That is the First Clue. Second, as I have Posted several times in the Book of Yahweh Thread, there is a Test for Spirits which anyone(no mystery) can apply.

The Test: If the Spirit or Messenger do not speak of Yahweh and His Laws and His Prophets and Prophecies, they are not of Yahweh. A very simple Test to allow anyone(no Mystery) to be able to DISCERN, who the Spirit may originate from.

An examination of the womans texts reveal no mention of Father Yahweh and His Laws and His Prophets, so the Spirit this woman Channeled is not from Yahweh, thus must be a Spirit of His Adversary, Satan.

A Demon Spirit masquerading as Yahshua, and thus, she either lacked the knowledge of this Test, which is availiable to anyone(no Mystery) who would actually read the Text of the Book of Yahweh, or it is a deliberate deception

Well, there is nothing like the 'endorsement' of 'jesus' to bolster ones 'claims' and Business.

see how she comes across with the Bunny Hugs and Puppy Dog Kisses, pretending to be benign, yet inside is a ravening Wolf.

here, look at my pretty pictures, and BUY my oils that jesus endorses, and buy my books, and come to my seminars and hire me for counseling.


quite an industry she has created.

Since kasalt has been an avid reader of my posts and also my archivist, this makes me wonder of his level of discernment, since he is aware of the Test for Spirits, as Posted in this Thread numerous times, why he did not apply this Test, and realise this woman had Channeled a Demon Spirit

kasalt, being a servant of lord krishna, does not desire anyone to come to a accurate knowledge of Yahweh. He does not like Yahweh or His Doctrines so he attacks any Poster who may bring materiel that will inform the reader.

these three Posters have their own Agendas and it conflicts with the actual Text of the Book of Yahweh, they rely on their respective readers to be uninformed on this subject, thus lacking discernment, so they may deform the clear Message to Bolster their Bogus claims..


This Thread was created to inform readers that there is accurate information concerning the Book of Yahweh and its Message, so that they may not be decieved by the Doctrines and messages offered by the Posters above, and others of their ilk.

The burden is always upon the reader to research the best material they can access, and then make their own decision.

To become aware of what the Book of Yahweh actually says would defeat any NWO plan, Project Blue Beam, of a return of 'Jesus', as the readers would know when, where, and How Yahsua returns.

Notice, all these Posters want to inform you what the Book of Yahweh says, yet they never speak of Yahweh, His Laws, or His Prophets and Prohecies, they Fail the Test.

Become informed, or expect to be decieved.

Again the Test: If they speak not of the Laws and the Prophecies, there is no Light in them.

This simple Test, is most valuable. :)



kasalt, your discernment is quite feeble or this was an intended deceit, either way, you are not qualified to be making judgements about other peoples or the Doctrines. Looks like the Joke is on you. ha ha ha ha :)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

I'm not sure of the merit of the information contained in this woman's message, that's why I posted it--to get other people's opinion on the matter. It's as simple as that, get over it. Over and out. BULLPOO, your intent is to decieve, as a servant of lord krishna, you percieve to muddle the clear Message of Yahshua is a 'good' thing

You see snoops, you are here to propagandize for your religious belief system, and therefore you think that I am here to do the same thing. I'm not. BULLPOO; I am here to Clarify, which any unbiased reader will notice if they peruse the Book of Yahweh Thread, absolutely no propagandising, as the choice is ALWAYS left with the Reader. I have presented the Materiel in such a 'Dry' manner I was described by one Poster as: "A cross between a Computer and a Lawyer", I considered that a compliment, though it was not the intent of the Poster


I thought some of them smelled good.BULLPOO, pleasant smelling Oils are availiable everywhere, and to go to the Trouble and Effort to mail order from a woman who is Channeling a Demon Spirit to purchase Oils is very Telling. Her 'message' must of 'resonated' with you, or some kind of deceit is taking place. Are you Glenda? Are you involved in her business?

Describe these Oils in greater detail, as besides a pleasant Aroma, she 'claims' they have mystical properties. If you tried these Oils and you experienced nothing Mystical, only a pleasant aroma, why would you suggest readers send money to a woman Channeling a Demon Spirit, if there was no Mystical aspect, as the woman claims.


:rolleyes:



:)

[kasalt]

I read Glenda Green's book 10 years ago, and it was an interesting and pleasant read. I tried some of the essential oil blends, and it was an interesting and pleasant aroma. Beyond that, I agree that a lot of the claims are suspect, and that's why I posted that thread--to get other people's opinions on the matter. You provided me with your opinion on that thread, and I thanked you for it on that thread.

I posted that thread almost a year ago now, and it seems to me like that would have been the end of the story, but you have been hounding me about it across the forum ever since. It's like you're obsessed with it: "Mullet Jesus (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=134656&highlight=mullet#post134656), Mullet Jesus (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=213791&highlight=mullet#post213791), MULLET JESUS (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=216806&highlight=mullet#post216806)"! I don't know what else to tell you, but I find it considerably amusing on one hand, and a bit sad on the other.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

I read Glenda Green's book 10 years ago, and it was an interesting and pleasant read.(why am I not surprised that you find a woman Channeling a Demon Spirit to be a pleasant and interesting read? I could see interesting, but pleasant?, She Tickled your ears, and you lapped it up, what does this say about your discernment? I tried some of the essential oil blends, and it was an interesting and pleasant aroma. Beyond that, I agree that a lot of the claims are suspect, and that's why I posted that thread--to get other people's opinions on the matter. You provided me with your opinion on that thread, and I thanked you for it on that thread.( you suggested People BUY her Mystical Oils, thus supporting a woman channeling a Demon Spirit)

I posted that thread almost a year ago now, and it seems to me like that would have been the end of the story, but you have been hounding me about it across the forum ever since.(because you never brought it back for discussion yourself, so at last I brought it back, and of course nothing happens in a vacuum, as you Posted the bogus Review of the Book of Yahweh also. Much of your time is devoted to attacking Yahweh and His Message, and you have a deceitful way of going about your business, you do not like the Fact I 'see through you',)It's like you're obsessed with it: "Mullet Jesus (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=134656&highlight=mullet#post134656), Mullet Jesus (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=213791&highlight=mullet#post213791), MULLET JESUS (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=216806&highlight=mullet#post216806)"!

(If asking three-four times over the course of a year is an obsession on your Planet, so be it. REALITY, I should have been answered after my first request. why the reticence on your part to repost it?)

I don't know what else to tell you, but I find it considerably amusing on one hand, and a bit sad on the other.
Which speaks Volumes about the True Nature of your Character, again kasalt, read the Book of Yahweh yourself, after all, it is only a matter of time til you do. ;)

And not Critiqueing the Examples of Scholarship I provided is a Cop Out, as you have been screaming at the Top of Your Lungs for people to stay away from this Material, this is a Golden Opportunity to dismantle their Claims of Scholarship.

Here they are again for your convienance:

http://www.yahweh.com/gen1.html

http://www.yahweh.com/yahch1.html

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Kasalt, since you have provided a Tsunami of Bile Directed at the House of Yahweh and their Product, please Critique(yourself) the following Essay, so that the quality of your Discernment in Judging these matters may be known to us. This is a very interesting and pleasant read :D

Thank you in advance! :)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=285536&postcount=320

The Alpha & Omega or The Aleph & Tau

The phrase Alpha and Omega is written four times in the King James Version of the Scriptures. However, this phrase should only have been written three times. It was added to the Scriptures once, in order to infer that it is Yahshua Messiah Who is Alpha and Omega. Alpha and Omega are first written in:

Revelation 1:8, KJV—
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending...

This Scripture cannot be any clearer than it is. This is Yahweh speaking about Himself.

Then, Alpha and Omega are again written in:

Revelation 1:11, KJV—
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last...

After Yahchanan heard this being spoken, he turned around to see Who said it (verse 12), but saw Yahshua Messiah (verses 13-17). We can see this for ourselves in:

Revelation 1:17-18—
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as though dead. But He laid His right hand upon me, saying to me: Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last.
18 I am He Who lives, but was dead. And: Behold, I am alive forevermore. HalleluYahweh! And I have the keys of death and Sheol; the grave.


In other words Yahshua told Yahchanan not to be afraid, for He was alive forevermore. Yahshua did not identify Himself by that title Alpha and Omega.

Then, the phrase Alpha and Omega is again written in Revelation 21:6-7, which is speaking of Yahweh.

Revelation 21:6-7, KJV—
6 And He said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh will inherit all things; and I will be his Father, and he shall be My son.

Yahweh is the Father, so it is definitely Yahweh Who is doing the speaking in this prophecy.

Now, we come to the Scripture in which the words Alpha and Omega were added, in order to say that Yahshua is the Alpha and Omega. This Scripture is Revelation 22:13. Revelation 22:16 undeniably states that these are Yahshua's words.

Revelation 22:12-17, KJV—
12 And behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, 117 the beginning, and the end, the first and last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the cities.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine Angel, to testify unto you these things in the Churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the Bride say, Come. And let him that heareth, say, Come. And let him that is athirst, come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


Notice Footnote Number 117, which has been circled in verse 13. The footnote of this Bible, shows that the Alexandrian (NU) and the Vatican (M) texts omit the phrase, Alpha and Omega.

117 NU-Text and M-Text read the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Well, you might say, "What difference does it make that those three little words were added to this Scripture in Revelation 22:13?"

Never before has there been a true understanding of what Yahweh actually said when He identified Himself as the first and the last.

Since we know that Yahweh said that He is the first and the last in Revelation 21:6, let us thoroughly study the Scriptures to come to Yahweh's truth.

In Revelation 1:8, the Being Who is speaking identifies Himself as the Almighty, Who we all know is Yahweh.

Following is an exact copy of this Scripture from The Concordant Version of the Sacred Scriptures, which one can see differs greatly from the more modern Greek Interlinear: FAILURE TO IMPORT IMAGE my bad: snoops



Almost all English versions of the Bible render Revelation 1:8 in the same way the King James Version is translated.

Revelation 1:8, KJV—
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

By merely leaving this text as it is written, a tremendous understanding has been lost. However, if these two Greek letters are researched in detail, one will readily see that Yahweh is revealing much more about Himself than just being the beginning and the end.

In the Greek alphabet, the letter alpha is the first letter, and omega is the last letter. However, in the Hebrew Language, in which even the so-called New Testament Scriptures are now known to have been originally written, the letter aleph is the first letter, and the letter tau is the last.

It is an admitted fact by the Biblical scholars that Revelation 1:8 should say in Hebrew:

I am the ALEPH and the TAU
instead of
I am the ALPHA and OMEGA

The Anchor Bible, Revelation Volume 38, page 379, gives us the explanation of this phrase.

8. the Alpha and the Omega. The Hebrew would be aleph and taw, probably standing respectively for Urim and Thummim, the sacred lots of the high priest used to determine the will of God, and also meaning all "encompassing."

Adam Clarke, in his Commentary, Volume 6, page 971, agrees that alpha and omega are aleph and tau in Hebrew.

[The beginning and the ending.] That is, as aleph or alpha is the beginning of the alphabet, so am I the author and cause of all things; as tau or omega is the end or last letter of the alphabet, so am I the end of all things, the destroyer as well as the establisher of all things.

We would not be any better off, however, if this Scripture (Revelation 1:8) is properly rendered: "I am the Aleph and the Tau." We still would not know what Yahweh means when He identifies Himself by the first and last letters of the Hebrew alphabet, unless this is further researched.

The letters aleph and tau must be researched to see if they do have a meaning, or message, to convey.

What the Bible translators did not realize (or they rejected) is that each individual Hebrew letter can be a word or phrase unto itself, with a specific meaning. This is clearly pointed out by Fabre d'Olivet in his book, The Hebraic Tongue Restored. Dr. d'Olivet gives clear, precise explanations of the meanings of each individual Hebrew letter, and what they point out or declare. On page 98 of his book, Dr. d'Olivet also states that knowing that each Hebrew letter has a meaning of its own, is the key to understanding the Scriptures.

In reference to the letters aleph and tau, Dr. d'Olivet gives clear proof that these two letters make statements in their own right.

The first letter in the Hebrew alphabet, as Dr. d'Olivet points out from The Hebraic Tongue Restored on pages 95 and 287, stands for unity.


On pages 98 and 465 of this book, Dr. d'Olivet clearly points out that the letter tau, the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet, means and stands for perfection.



Incredible as it may sound, both single letters aleph and tau, are in themselves Hebrew words that have specific meanings.

As Clark in his Commentary, and the writers of The Anchor Bible, Revelation, have shown, the Alpha and Omega should have been written: the Aleph and the Tau.

Now, with the true meanings of these Hebrew letters revealed, all can see the statement that Yahweh is actually making in these Scriptures.

Revelation 1:8—
I am unity (Aleph) and perfection (Tau), the Beginning and the End, says Yahweh: Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come: the Almighty.


Other Scriptures verify that Yahweh is unity and perfection.

Deuteronomy 6:4—
Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is One.


Yahshua Messiah, a begotten Son of Yahweh, Who was the Savior sent by Yahweh, taught that Yahweh is perfection.

Mattithyah 19:17—
But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh.


Mattithyah 5:48—
Therefore, become perfect, just as your Father Who is in heaven is perfect.

Yahweh is revealing Himself again to be unity and perfection. These Scriptures that reveal the Alpha and Omega, the Aleph and the Tau to be Yahweh Almighty (Revelation 1:8; 1:11; and 21:6) do not point out Yahshua Messiah. Nor can Revelation 22:13, in which this phrase was added, be used to claim that Yahshua Messiah pre-existed.


Yahshua Messiah: First And Last—Beginning And End

Having proven that the words Alpha and Omega were added to this Scripture, Revelation 22:13, The Book Of Yahweh correctly reads.

Revelation 22:13—_
I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.


We know Yahshua said this. We know it is no contradiction for Him to call Himself the last, for He will live forever.

We know it is no contradiction for Him to call Himself "the end," for He is the end result of having kept His Father's Laws perfectly.

Romans 10:4—
For Yahshua is the ultimate result of keeping the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes.

The translators tried to distort this Scripture to try to make you believe that Yahshua Messiah ended the Law. Romans 10:4 taken from the King James Version, shows us how this Scripture has been distorted.

Romans 10:4, KJV—
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.

If you will research the meanings of the word translated end in this Scripture, then you will see that this word means ultimate, prophetic purpose, and not end as is universally understood in the English context.

The word translated end in Romans 10:4, as well as Revelation 22:12 is word #5056, from Strong's Greek Dictionary and means to set out for a definite point or goal; prop. the point aimed at as a limit, ultimate or prophetic, purpose.

Religious imposters also use Romans 10:4 in order to deceive the people in this world into thinking that Shaul taught against Yahweh's Laws. The Apostle Shaul never once taught against the Law of Yahweh. In fact, he taught all to keep Yahweh's Law. In the same book of Romans, which Shaul wrote, we find the following Scriptures.

Romans 2:13—
For not the hearers of the Law are the righteous in the sight of Yahweh, but the doers of the Law are the righteous.


Romans 6:16—
Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey; whether of sin which leads to death, or of obedience which leads to righteousness?

There are many Scriptures in the book of Romans, which teach against sin: against breaking the Law of Yahweh (I Yahchanan 3:4). However, these two should be enough to show you that the Apostle Shaul did not teach against the Laws of Yahweh, as the false religious leaders would have you believe.

Now, in Revelation 22:13, Yahshua called Himself the "last" because He has been resurrected to eternal life, and now He will never die again. He called Himself the "end" because He is the end product, the ultimate result of keeping the Law of Yahweh.

What did He mean when He called Himself the first in Revelation 22:13? Did He mean that He was the first being to ever exist? Many would have you think so. Did He mean that He was the Father of all living? There are some who would have you believe this. Was Yahshua saying that He pre-existed? If you will let Scripture interpret the Scriptures, then understanding will come.

Revelation 1:5—
And from Yahshua Messiah; the faithful witness, and the firstborn from the dead , and the Ruler of future kings of the earth. To Him Who loved us and freed us from our sins by His own blood.


When Yahshua called Himself the first in Revelation 22:13, He made no reference to pre-existence. Yahshua simply meant that He was the firstborn from the dead, which means that He was the first to be raised from the dead and given eternal life. Because Yahshua was raised from the dead, He is now immortal, He was the first to be fully created in the full image of Yahweh. This is what Yahshua meant when He said He was the first, in Revelation 22:13.

What, then, did He mean when He called Himself the beginning in this same Scripture? Does this mean that He was in the beginning with Yahweh, as some would also have you to believe? The answer to this question is found in:

Revelation 3:14—
And to the malak of the congregation of The House of Yahweh in Laodicea, write: These things says the Faithful and the True One, the One testifying of the faith and the truth; the first perfected of Yahweh's creation.

In this Scripture, Yahshua called Himself the beginning of the creation of Yahweh. Yes, man in his present physical state, is only a half-created being, because we are still corruptible flesh, as Shaul said.

I Corinthians 15:53—
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

We are still dying in this world. If you do not believe this, just read the obituaries. Man is only in the likeness of Yahweh at this time; man was created to resemble Yahweh. Man has a form just like Yahweh, a head, a chest, arms, legs and feet, just as Scriptures describe Yahweh as having.

However, Yahshua Messiah, because He is the first to be raised from the dead to eternal life, is now in the full image of Yahweh. Yahshua is perfected. He has become the first or the beginning, among men, to reach the state of perfect, completed, whole creation, as Yahweh's Plan for mankind is.

Therefore, He still has no reference to pre-existence in calling Himself the beginning in Revelation 22:13. Yahshua Messiah simply meant that He was the beginning, the first perfected of Yahweh's whole creation, or plan for man.




Yahshua: Now Fully Created, Mankind: Now Half Created

Yahshua Messiah said the following.

Yahchanan 6:44—
No man can come to Me, unless the Father, Who has sent Me, draws him; and I will establish him as a priest at the last day.

When we are called out of this world by Yahweh's Holy Spirit and begin to understand the importance of Yahweh's Holy Scriptures in our lives, we, even then, are only half of the creation Yahweh requires us to be, in order for us to enter His Kingdom. To understand this, we must understand the Plan of Yahweh.

When Yahshua was resurrected from the dead, He became the firstborn of many brothers.

Romans 8:29—
For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

When we are conformed to Yahshua we will also be conformed to the Father Yahweh, because Yahshua conformed to be exactly like the Father.

Hebrews 1:3—
Who, being the reflection of the perfection of Yahweh, and the representation of Yahweh's plan, by upholding all things concerning that which was spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the prophets, when He had purged sin, sat down on the right hand of Yahweh on high;

The definition of the word conform from Webster's New World Dictionary of the American Language is to make the same or similar, to bring into harmony or agreement; to be in accord or agreement.

In order to receive the reward of eternal life, as Yahshua did, we must be conformed to the same image that Yahshua obtained.

The next question is, how did Yahshua obtain this image? Scriptures show that He was not born with this image but through a process, He became the perfect creation of Yahweh.

Revelation 3:14—
...the first perfected of Yahweh's creation...

Yahweh's perfected creation becomes our hope. We will become perfectly created if we overcome, just as Yahshua is the first perfected now. Yahshua is only the beginning, the first. There are many more to be made perfect and to become Yahshua's brothers, the actual sons of Yahweh.

Colossians 1:18—
For He is the Head of the body, the called out ones, Who is the beginning of the firstborn from the dead, so that in all things He may have the pre-eminence.

Keep in mind what the Apostle Shaul said in Romans 10:4. Yahshua is the ultimate result of keeping the Law of Yahweh. Now, notice the warning recorded for us in the following Scriptures.

Romans 16:19—
For your obedience has become known to all. Therefore, I am glad on your behalf, but I want you to be wise in what is righteous and simple, concerning evil .

END

myself, Snoops, was Favourably impressed, and I must say I myself was quite surprised as I had not considered this aspect before(no preconcieved belief in this matter)

[kasalt]

I think you're a bit unhinged, man. I'll leave you to it.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

I think you're a bit unhinged, man. I'll leave you to it.

I translate that as: Snoops 'Called Me' on my Bullpoo, and I cannot back it up. I am biased and unfair and lack the necessary discernment and scholarship to offer a thoughtful critique of the Scholarship presented to me.

see kasalt, your mouth wrote checks your ass can't cash.

like your Bullpoo your intent of this Thread was meant to be a joke. You made False Allegations about me, and when asked for proof, all you produced was Bupkis! Looks like the Joke is on you, chump.:D

You wouldn't know this but.......... ;)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Definition:


Agents of the Matrix
The agents of the Matrix are superpowerful program variables inside the Matrix that are used to maintain order. Any human being connected to the Matrix can potentially become an agent if such is needed. Agents are able to stretch the limits of the Matrix construct in ways that human's can't until Neo. Agents can dodge bullets, do superhuman jumps, and coordinate attacks with others who dwell in the Matrix as Cops or Security. The agent shown most in the movie is "Mr. Smith" who makes the simple phrase "Mr. Anderson" a Hollywood classic.


Gotta say Champ, I don't 'Hit' any of the 'High Notes' here, as I accepted my Beliefs after mucho research and experience, a Lifetime actually. And since I 'Know Myself' much better than you do, I will inform you I am in Reality the Matrixii most ardent opponent.

look down kasalt, 3 of your own fingers are pointing at you.

[kasalt]

why am I not surprised that you find a woman Channeling a Demon Spirit to be a pleasant and interesting read? I could see interesting, but pleasant?, She Tickled your ears, and you lapped it up, what does this say about your discernment?

you suggested People BUY her Mystical Oils, thus supporting a woman channeling a Demon Spirit

I translate that as: Snoops 'Called Me' on my Bullpoo, and I cannot back it up. I am biased and unfair and lack the necessary discernment and scholarship to offer a thoughtful critique of the Scholarship presented to me.

see kasalt, your mouth wrote checks your ass can't cash.

I just knew that when I came back online I would find that you had written something like this. I knew it. So, just to satisfy your child-like curiosity, I will try explaining it to you one more time, and then it's goodbye to you for the long haul.

I first read Glenda Green's book back in 1998 when I was still a Christian of the quasi-Catholic sort (with evangelical leanings), and being a Catholic means that I wasn't averse to people having visions of Jesus. I thought at the time that the book was an interesting and insightful read. I gave it away soon after I read it. Then, around 2002, I purchased a few of the essential oil blends to use as a natural air freshener. I found that a couple of them smelled exceptionally good.

Long story short, time went by and I became a member of this forum, so I thought I'd kick it out there for other forum members' perusal, for their comments and/or criticisms. Actually, I was hoping that another forum member might have more knowledge about it then I did, so they could have given me their views, but that turned out not to be the case.

So that's it, man. I posted it, a few people commented on it, and eventually it got buried and largely forgotten, except by you of course. I don't know what your making such a huge deal about it for, except that I know you are a religious fundamentalist who believes that everyone who professes a worldview that differs from your particular brand of Yahwism is a demon. :eek: :rolleyes:

why the reticence on your part to repost it?

Snoops, in one day, you have re-posted the original post of my "Love without end" thread twice in this thread, and once in another thread. That makes 3 times in one day that you have done this. I think that fits the definition of "spamming" Snoops, and I think you deserve spam points for that, but I'm a little too mature to go crying to a mod about it. So, I am going to do something that for me is even better:

I am going to put you on ignore.

Yes, Snoops, I am going to put you on "ignore" because I think that any reasonable person would agree with me when I say that I have wasted far more of my valuable time responding to your nonsense than I ever should have.

So, you can respond to this post if you like, or don't respond. Either way I don't care because I won't be reading it.


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[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Thank You; it has been both an Honour & Pleasure to have been of service to you.

Yes, it's been a heady coupla days, but what Joy, for through restrained, yet somewhat heated argument, Ideas and Concepts that may have lain Dormant, otherwise Silent; unevoked by written or spoken WORD, rises to the surface and comes to LIGHT.


A Distillation of Knowledge


ESSENCE


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:)

[disorder2k8]

What would jesus do?

Anyone who quotes bible references repeatedly should be banished.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

What would jesus do?

Anyone who quotes bible references repeatedly should be banished.



Why?

If the Topic is the Book of Yahweh, or the Character Yahshua(jesus) and the replies are: Enpointe, I, personally don't see any problem. The Book of Yahweh(bible) is a very common Topic on this Board, usually being Disparaged and Excoriated, the Advocates of this Book are in the vast Minority, do you feel they have no right to provide Counter-Point to the disparagements, Mis-representations and Excoriations?

do you think that I, snoops, should be Banished? If so, WHY?

[kasalt]

Solid evidence ?

But your evidence was torn to sheds.

For example, you quoted Osho was wanting to cut
'people's heads off'.

You thought this showed he was violent and psychotic.

Until people, who had actually read Osho had to tell you 'cutting
your head off' is a metaphor for disidentifying yourself exclusively
with your ego ..with your head ....instead of your whole body.

I don't think Osho was psychotic, although I do think that he was extremely narcissistic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osho#Narcissism). I think that his meditation techniques were actually mind-control techniques that he promoted in order to gain greater control over his "disciples":rolleyes:, in order to exploit them for financial and sexual gain. As evidence for this assertion, I submitted to you this quote from Osho:

"And when the conscious mind is not there, the Teacher and you become one. Then you can work--not before that. Then it is a telepathic relationship. You are in a deep communion. So whatsoever the Guru thinks becomes a part of you. Now, whatsoever he wants to do, he can do it. You have become just totally receptive to him. Now there is not a fight between the Teacher and the disciple; otherwise it is a fight." (Source) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7800290977684067436)

I don't know how I can make that quote any clearer than Osho made it himself. Here, Osho is saying straight out that he is basically attempting to take over control of the minds of his disciples. It is in part because of this that I believe--as do most former Rajneeshpuram sannyasins--that Osho gave at least tacit approval to all of the illegal activities that took place at the commune, including the 1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Rajneeshee_bioterrorism_attack#Prosecution).

In short, I believe that for these and many other reasons Osho was nothing more than an opposame, brought to you and me courtesy of the Matrix.

We both think Icke's view of reality is more accurate than the fairytale religion or 'official science' sells us?

I think so, yes.

So you see my problem.

You regard icke as sound and 'fundamentally' right, yet you regard
Tolle and other writers like him who express similar ideas as
frauds.

Yet there is hardly a paper distance between their insights on the
world

Let's say that Icke and Tolle agree on 99% of what they say, and disagree on 1%. But what if it just so happens that the 1% they disagree on is a key difference? Allow me to attempt to explain what I mean.

Icke has posted links to a blog by Bronte Baxter several times now, and she has posted that he has written her with the message, "We see the world so very much alike (http://brontebaxter.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/enlightenment-from-siphoning-to-assimilation/#comments)", so I'm guessing that Mr. Icke agrees with Ms. Baxter's analysis of Tolle's philosophy. And what has Ms. Baxter had to say about it? Here is a key point:

"Tolle’s philosophy is passive...Rather than be dynamic doers, we are advised to be observers — we are told our “doership” is nothing but illusion...While he experiences this as “freedom,” it is the freedom of ego death, soul assimilation. Something else moves through him and runs his mind and his life. In his transformational experience, he lost all desire to be and to do anything. He literally sat on a park bench for two years. He lived and lives a life of utter passivity."

Seanx, do you think that this is what Icke suggests we do? I don't. When has Icke ever sat on a park bench for 2 years?

In fact, have you seen the excerpt of this weeks latest newsletter on the Latest Headlines page? I'll quote it here for your convenience:

KNOW ALL, BUT DO NOTHING? ... ‘WOKEN UP’, BUT STILL ASLEEP?

The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday

I was stopped in a shop the other day by a lady who said how great it was that more and more people are waking up to what is going on. Yes, I agreed, it was very encouraging.

I said, however, that there was another stage that needed to unfold before I would be in the least bit satisfied. I said that years ago, only a few years at that, peoples’ eyes would glaze over when I talked about the hidden conspiracy for a global Fourth Reich. Now that didn’t happen nearly so much as events open minds to the nature of our plight.

But today, I said, I see eyes glaze over when I talk about what needs to be done to stop the global Fourth Reich. And while that continues to be the case, the knowledge of what is happening, by itself, is next to useless.

Knowledge is not power – the use of knowledge is power.

Those who know what is going on have a much bigger responsibility than those who don’t, not least because they are denied the excuse of ignorance. It is worth everyone asking themselves: ‘Right, I know at least the themes of what is happening, but what am I doing about it?’

Some will be able to say I am doing A, B, or C, but, from what I have observed, the vast majority of those in the ‘know’ won’t even get to ‘A’. Some who are doing nothing or next to nothing even think that their contribution should be aiming abuse at those who are doing something.

We are faced with a massive imbalance between the number who know what we face (at least to an extent) and those who are doing anything effective about it. Learning more and more about the nature of our own prison is no good unless we do what is necessary to crumble its walls.

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14997/48/
Now, how do you think this quote from David Icke's newsletter compares to the "passive" philosophy of Eckhart Tolle described above it? Do you see the key difference between them?

One difference between two philosophies may not seem like much, unless that one difference is a key difference.

[seanx]

Now, how do you think this quote from David Icke's newsletter compares to the "passive" philosophy of Eckhart Tolle described above it? Do you see the key difference between them?

One difference between two philosophies may not seem like much, unless that one difference is a key difference

As snoops has already shown, would you please stop wasting my time.

I asked for your opinion on their ideas.

Not another copy and paste from some writer called
Bronte Baxter whose knowledge of Tolle is obviously from the same
website as yours.


As for this article being posted in the healdline section, we now
know that this is complied by staff members, if icke is away
or engaged, and not Icke himself.


But what is extraordinary is that you AGREE that up to 99% of
their ideas are similar - and yet you brand Tolle a fraud !


And the best you can come up with to defend this decision is the
conclusion of some non-entity, an unheard -of blogger that Tolle's
ideas maybe 'passive'


And all because....because he advisers people to be 'still' and
live in 'the present'.

Or that he sat on a park bench!

You couldn't make it up.



Quite sad.

But I think snoops has uncovered where you are really coming
from.

And the real reason why you copy and paste all this
stuff against these writers from these Christian-established
and funded 'anti-cult' sites.

And of course any group that hold different views form these
right-wing Christians is a 'cult'!!



That's why I know you don't believe any of these ideas that
Icke or Tolle talk about.

Which is YOUR right. What anybody believes is their own
business and no-one elses.

But you're involved in a scam.

Pretending to endorse icke's ideas so that you can fill this
forum with the copy and paste stuff these sites mentioned
above sprew out.

Again, if that's what you want to spend your time on doing here...
it's your free choice ...but you don't actually fool anybody.

here are icke's main ideas again below.

Enlighten us.

Tell us what are your views in regard to each
of them.

Prove you're not a scam artist just wasting everyone's time.


Both Icke and Tolle's idea seems to be that beyond the illusory
personalities, 'egos' that we use ( personalities that are good, in
fact essential for us to experience the game of separation we're
playing here) is the one consciousness - Infinite Consciousness.


Both are of the view that life is this Infinite Consciousness
experiencing itself in an infinity of forms in an infinity
of dimensions.


They are saying, right where you are sitting now, right beside you,
but vibrating at incredibly fast and different frequencies are probably
billions of different worlds and dimensions.


Worlds that you'll have eternity to experience. I mean where
will you be in 10,000 years time? Probably experiencing another
version of infinite life on one of these dimensions?

They go further:

They'd said, going by their books that we are ALL Infinite
Consciousness but that the reptilian entities (and a lot of humans)
have lost virtually total contact with this Consciousness.


They are cut off so much from the life-renewing prana or energy of
Infinite consciousness that this is the real reason behind all the
satanic rituals - to 'steal' and 'rob' the lifeforce or energy of
pure young souls in order to survive.


Extreme fear is also a 'feeding' energy for them- and that's
why they impulse humans who are vibrating near their frequency to
create scenarios in human affairs to create this 'nourishment'.

Tolle's refer to this as the 'pain body' a psychic entity, made up
of all our past thoughts and slef-loathing.


And that's the 'matrix' we're living in: a 'prison' we've incarnated
into where we're kept almost in a state of constant fear.

Fear of survival, fear of separation, fear of
sickness, fear of death, fear of annilation, a decent into
nothingness....... fear of ridicule and humilation if we step
out of the beliefs of consenus reality ...and say there is another
greater reality.


But both Icke and Tolle say that, at a deep unconcious level,
we have actually chosen this: we have chosen to 'incarnate'
in this tiny, 'version of reality' to remind all the entites trapped
for eons in this 'illusion' to start to remember that there is a greater
reality behind the matrix reality.



.....'That it only started off as a 'game' - but you have all totally
forgotten this', especially the reptilian entities who have now
virtually cut off from even the very last tiny,tiny thread of light
connecting them to Infinite Consciousness.

[kasalt]

But what is extraordinary is that you AGREE that up to 99% of their ideas are similar - and yet you brand Tolle a fraud !

I'm going to respond to the rest of your post in a bit, but first I'd like you to address this claim of yours. I'm going to issue a request to you, similar to the one I issued to snoop, and that is: Post the link to wherever it is that I called Tolle a "fraud".

[seanx]

I'm going to respond to the rest of your post in a bit, but first I'd like you to address this claim of yours. I'm going to issue a request to you, similar to the one I issued to snoop, and that is: Post the link to wherever it is that I called Tolle a "fraud".

As snoops too has said, would you stop playing these
childish games...and debate IDEAS.

You have Tolle underlined in your very first post here along with
that other man OSho, that you are obsessed with as a fraud and liar.
You don't have to be a genius to see your game.

Now....let's look at their IDEAS....

And not what someone on the internet wants you to think about
their ideas.

This is NOT an issue of whatever you agree or not with these ideas.


But of learning not to judge people or brand them as crooks -without
first having the decency and honesty to read them
first.

Then you have every right to criticize them to your heart's content.

Otherwise you're just playing 'games' here- and not very well.

[kasalt]

I'm going to respond to the rest of your post in a bit, but first I'd like you to address this claim of yours. I'm going to issue a request to you, similar to the one I issued to snoop, and that is: Post the link to wherever it is that I called Tolle a "fraud".

As snoops too has said, would you stop playing these childish games...and debate IDEAS.

You have Tolle underlined in your very first post here along with that other man OSho, that you are obsessed with as a fraud and liar. You don't have to be a genius to see your game.

That would be lucky for you, I'd say.

The reason why Tolle's name is underlined in my first post is because I hyperlinked it to a passage I posted from an article about Tolle's ideas--which you refused to acknowledge then and continue to dismiss without consideration now.

I don't know what your definition of a "fraud" is, but here's the definition that I go by:

Fraud (http://www.answers.com/topic/fraud):
1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
2. A piece of trickery; a trick.
3. a. One that defrauds; a cheat.
b. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor.And by that definition, I haven't seen any evidence to make me think that Tolle is a "fraud" as you put it. Osho and Hawkins most certainly fit that description, however.


As snoops has already shown, would you please stop wasting my time.

Only you can waste your time, seanx. Your time is not mine to waste. How can I waste your time for you? If you think that my posts are a waste of your time, then quit reading them. It's as simple as that, your problem solved.

I asked for your opinion on their ideas.

Not another copy and paste from some writer called Bronte Baxter whose knowledge of Tolle is obviously from the same website as yours.

Bronte Baxter's opinion IS my opinion, because I agree with her opinion. Is that simple enough for you to understand?

As for this article being posted in the healdline section, we now know that this is complied by staff members, if icke is away or engaged, and not Icke himself.

Does Mr. Icke's staff also write his emails for him? I ask you this because Ms. Baxter has stated that Icke wrote her an email in response to her blog, in which he told her, "We see the world so very much alike", so if your position is correct, then either she was lying about Icke saying that to her, or someone else wrote that email instead of Mr. Icke. Which do you think it is, Seanx?

But what is extraordinary is that you AGREE that up to 99% of their ideas are similar - and yet you brand Tolle a fraud !

I've already answered the "fraud" charge.

As for the amount of 99% that I gave in my example, it was strictly an arbitrary number that I used for hypothetical purposes. I'm not well versed in Tolle's writings, and for that matter I don't know Icke's views backwards and forwards either, so it's not my place to make a determination on how much they agree.

And the best you can come up with to defend this decision is the conclusion of some non-entity, an unheard -of blogger that Tolle's ideas maybe 'passive'

Who cares whether the writer is well-known or previously unheard of? It's the stated opinion of the writer that is the subject at hand, and it just so happens that I agree with her.

And all because....because he advisers people to be 'still' and live in 'the present'.

Or that he sat on a park bench!

You couldn't make it up.

You're right about that much. I couldn't make it up, and I didn't make it up:

Eckhart Tolle Biographical Info (Telegraph Magazine)

For the best part of two years in the early 1980s a man in his mid-30s would sit on a park bench in Russell Square, central London, and in a state of deep bliss watch the world go by...

[Of course, it seems to have served him well, so more power to him I guess...]

He no longer sits on a park bench but lives in a high-rise in Vancouver and teaches others how to attain enlightenment, among them Gillian Anderson of The X Files; Cher, who says he “has changed my life”; and Meg Ryan, who introduced Oprah Winfrey to Tolle’s first book, The Power of Now: A Spiritual Guide to Enlightenment.

Last year, Winfrey chose the book for her Favourite Things show, saying she had read it eight times and keeps it on her bedside table. Sales skyrocketed: The Power of Now — with an original print run of 3000 — became No. 1 on Amazon.com and spent 20 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list, selling more than one million copies in North America.

Released in Australia in 2000, it was still on the top 10 list this year, and has been translated into more than two dozen languages.

Quite sad. But I think snoops has uncovered where you are really coming from.

Snoops has his head so far up his ass shilling for a fraudulent doomsday cult leader (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=453534#post453534) that he doesn't even realize where he is really coming from, so how can he possibly know where anyone else is coming from? I mean, have you not read his posts? It's obvious that the guy is stuck deep in delusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion).

And the real reason why you copy and paste all this stuff against these writers from these Christian-established and funded 'anti-cult' sites.

And of course any group that hold different views form these right-wing Christians is a 'cult'!!

Excuse you? When have I ever posted anything from a "Christian-established and funded anti-cult site"? Once again, I'm going to have to ask you to post a link to where I have done this. :rolleyes:

That's why I know you don't believe any of these ideas that Icke or Tolle talk about.

Who are you to assert what I believe or don't believe? Whoever you are, you are mistaken to say that I "don't believe" in any of Icke's ideas, or Tolle's for that matter.

Which is YOUR right. What anybody believes is their own business and no-one elses.

But you're involved in a scam.

Pretending to endorse icke's ideas so that you can fill this forum with the copy and paste stuff these sites mentioned above sprew out.

Again, if that's what you want to spend your time on doing here...
it's your free choice ...but you don't actually fool anybody.

I am delighted to be assured by you that I am not fooling anybody, especially since fooling anybody is not what I'm here to do in the first place.

here are icke's main ideas again below.

Enlighten us.

Tell us what are your views in regard to each of them.

Prove you're not a scam artist just wasting everyone's time.

Both Icke and Tolle's idea seems to be that beyond the illusory personalities, 'egos' that we use ( personalities that are good, in fact essential for us to experience the game of separation we're playing here) is the one consciousness - Infinite Consciousness.

The thing I don't like about what you're doing here is that you are telling me that these are the views of both Icke and Tolle, but you do not provide me with direct quotes or references so that I can verify your claims. Look at the first sentence of your last paragraph: "Both Icke and Tolle's idea seems to be..."? Why do you say, "seems to be"? The way I see it, either it is both Icke's and Tolle's idea or it isn't. There shouldn't be any "seems to be" about it. In this particular case I happen to think that you are correct, but I'd prefer to be sure.

In order to solve this problem, I am going to delete your references to Icke and Tolle from your quotes and respond to them as if they are simply your views, and yours alone.

[I am] of the view that life is this Infinite Consciousness experiencing itself in an infinity of forms in an infinity of dimensions.

Yes, matter and consciousness are both expressions of energy, and energy is ultimately one.

right where you are sitting now, right beside you, but vibrating at incredibly fast and different frequencies are probably billions of different worlds and dimensions.

No doubt in my mind about that. Where do you think ghosts come from?

Worlds that you'll have eternity to experience. I mean where will you be in 10,000 years time? Probably experiencing another version of infinite life on one of these dimensions?

I consider it a distinct possibility.

the reptilian entities (and a lot of humans) have lost virtually total contact with this Consciousness. They are cut off so much from the life-renewing prana or energy of Infinite consciousness that this is the real reason behind all the satanic rituals - to 'steal' and 'rob' the lifeforce or energy of pure young souls in order to survive. Extreme fear is also a 'feeding' energy for them- and that's why they impulse humans who are vibrating near their frequency to create scenarios in human affairs to create this 'nourishment'.

Agreed.

the 'pain body' a psychic entity, made up of all our past thoughts and slef-loathing.

It sounds plausible to me.

And that's the 'matrix' we're living in: a 'prison' we've incarnated into where we're kept almost in a state of constant fear. Fear of survival, fear of separation, fear of sickness, fear of death, fear of annilation, a decent into nothingness....... fear of ridicule and humilation if we step out of the beliefs of consenus reality ...and say there is another greater reality.

Agreed.

at a deep unconcious level, we have actually chosen this: we have chosen to 'incarnate' in this tiny, 'version of reality' to remind all the entites trapped for eons in this 'illusion' to start to remember that there is a greater reality behind the matrix reality.

With this quote, it appears to me that you regard yourself as distinct from other entities in that they are here here "trapped for eons in this illusion", but you are here "to remind all the entities...that there is a greater reality behind the matrix reality." How do you know that you haven't been "trapped for eons in this illusion" along with them, and you're just now starting to wake up?

.....'That it only started off as a 'game' - but you have all totally forgotten this', especially the reptilian entities who have now virtually cut off from even the very last tiny,tiny thread of light connecting them to Infinite Consciousness.

I can agree that from the standpoint of infinite consciousness, our temporal lives on this planet can be seen as "just a game". But I haven't reached that point yet. Have you? I mean, if life is just a game, then I'd say you've been taking it a bit too seriously on this thread (not to mention many other threads on the forum).

[seanx]

It has taken, nearly, god's knows how many posts, but at long last, we
have you discussing people's IDEAS - and not the gossip you
read about them on the Net.

Let's hope you keep it up.

[kasalt]

It has taken, nearly, god's knows how many posts, but at long last, we have you discussing people's IDEAS - and not the gossip you read about them on the Net.

Definition of gossip (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gossip): idle talk or rumor. —Synonyms: small talk, hearsay

Nothing that I've posted qualifies as gossip. It's all solidly established fact.

[rixxmixxhell]

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[boots]

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Whats all this about rixxmixxhell posts with , or,, Having one of those days are we:confused:

[rixxmixxhell]

Sorry no i posted in the wrong forum both round the wrong way then i lost my copy paste and just left it. I dont post on these subjects...i wanted to add something then thought...i needed to go to bed.
Rick

[synergy777]

its a shame trinity or persephone(monica bellucci) doesn't post, lol

matrix is symbolic, symbolic of the vedic view of maya/illusion.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

its a shame trinity or persephone(monica bellucci) doesn't post, lol

matrix is symbolic, symbolic of the vedic view of maya/illusion.


Hi Syn!! Are you in Dubai? Most be awesome!

trinitys ok, but I liked the merovingians dame. who was she? I forget.

but I was very favourably impressed. ;)

i agree about your vedic angle, and terms like: nebuchenedzar and zion confuse and obscure that.

syn; I read a Post on this Board somewhere about the aryan vedic brahmin Brotherhood, I wanted to revisit it. do you, or anyone know where it is? even a sincere effort with search function and scrolling, I have not been able to relocate it.


HELP!!!


always a pleasure to see and read you Bubba! :D

[synergy777]

http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0307/ET18-8227.html

Jews: A Branch Of The Vedic Family

BY PARAMA KARUNA DEVI

EDITORIAL, Jul 18 (VNN) — "From the results of my research, I can affirm that M. Samar Abbas' thesis is wrong. Actually, the facts are exactly the opposite.

It's the Jews who descended from the Vedic family, and not the other way around. The son cannot generate the father."

Dear friends, Namaste! I have read with much interest the article on connections between Jews and Vedic Brahmins.

I would like to add a small contribution to the issue.

According to my research, most of the "Hebrew" traditions and linguistic features, especially those mentioned by the article, had been absorbed from the Egyptian society and knowledge, which had directly come from Vedic settlers in ancient times.

Before moving to Egypt, Jews had a civilization and language (and religion) descending from their Sumerian origins (Ur, too, had an early settlement of Vedic knoweldge). During and after their life in Egypt, they took up a lot of new (or forgotten) things, including the cow worship connected to the moon, mentioned in the article, and the worship of the snake, not mentioned in the article but mentioned in the Bible in connection with Moses' secret knowledge of medicine.


http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/connections/Hebrews-and-Vedic-Brahmins.php

Hebrews And Vedic Brahmins
Dr. Samar Abbas, Aligarh, India

EDITORIAL, Jul 14 (VNN) A Review

In 1979 the Oriental Institute at Baroda published a paper entitled "The Hebrews belong to a branch of Vedic Aryans." This was a follow-up to a previous article on the same topic published by the same author, Prof. Madan Mohan Shukla, in the Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal in 1976. The basic thesis of these papers is that the Hebrews represent an offshoot of Vedic Brahmins. It may be instructive to review Shukla's papers as they serve to illustrate the common origin of the Jews and Brahmins. As Shukla's papers are very difficult to obtain both within and outside India, and are virtually out of reach for laypersons, I am reproducing extensive tracts from them for reference purposes.

[synergy777]

http://www.vedicearth.com/veda-jews.php

About the Vedic Origin of Jews

The largest concentration of the Jews are found in Israel. That makes sense, as they have build that country. Important questions here -

What about the ten lost tribes of Jews, and why only two of the twelve tribes came to form Israel?

Apart from Israel, which was a country developed later, why do we find the maximum concentration of the Jews people, including many of the 10 lost tribes in an around Kashmir?

If Jesus considered himself as the saviour of the Jews, why did he travelled to India before coming to Palestine and after being crucified?

Why did he stayed the most part of his life in India teaching the locals there?
Who is Abraham?

Is he the same peronality whom the Veda consider as the creator of world, Brahama?

Why the tomb of a lot of Jews leaders are found in India, including Moses, King Salaman and Jesus himself?

Why the name and nature of the Jews Gods bear so astonishing similarities with Vedic Gods?

Not only Jesus, but also his mother wanted to reach India just after Jesus was saved from crucification. Mother Mary couldn't reach Kashmir, and died by the time they reached where there is the present Pakistan. The tomb of Mary has been found there. Why did they want to reach India? Is it because that this was their native land, of all the Jews?

People opine that that's because the Jews fled to India to take shelter as India was a peaceful and developed country at that time. But, then why India? Why not some other countries between India and Palestine? What if, things happened in the other sense, that a few Jews tribes moved from India to west, in the past. That India (northern) is the root of the Jews people, very much like the Gypsy(romani) community that once migrated westward from India?

May be one of the most interesting fact is the Jews's people's belief that their last prophet is yet to come. That the last prophet will be a human being, an earthly king, who will protect and fight for people who are righteous and believe in the good faith, will unite them and they will get back all their holy land, their temples will be reconstructed that has been destroyed by evil people, and so on. And this is exactly the Hindus believe as well, what's based on one of their sacred books 'Kalki Purana'. For more details the Kalki Purana, and the last 'avatar', one can visit - the Wiki page or do some googling for Kalki Avatar and / or Kalki Purana.

Difference between the Hindu and the Jews faith (if they are really two different faiths) here is that, Hindus believe that India is their holy land, and for Jews it is Jerusalem. Interestingly, there are new reports and books coming up telling that it may be Kashmir, the real holy land of the Jews, and not Jerusalem, as they tend to believe. There has been a lot of discussions recently asking why the graves of a lot of Jews holy people are found in Kashmir, India. Cultural, linguistic and genetic proofs have been established that tells beyond doubt that the people of Kashmir and that of present Israel are basically the same ethnic community.

Besides, in the past India was spreaded much westward, probably as much as the present Israel and probably as much east as the present day Japan. Archeologicel evidences of ancient Hindu temples through out this geographical region are getting discovered. For example, there is one Goddess who is worshipped and respected in Israel (Sarai), India (Sarahswati / Bani) and Japan (Benzaiten) under different but similar names. Some scholars are also mentioning that even the Ka'aba was a Hindu temple.

Also, there are ample evidences in various ancient texts that proves that there was a massive migration of people from east to west. The Parsians (present day Iran) texts tell that the present Aryan people came there from east. It has been proved that the Gypsy community moved westward from the present day Chandigarh and Rajasthan, western provinces of India.

I will put more evidences / opinions about this later, that the Jews people are probably Indians of the past, who moved westward for some reason. I will also wait for other scholars to join me in this research, preferably Jews doing their doctorate. An interesting study in this regard, though not directly related, would be to try to get the ancient map of Vedic India. How far the country was stretched? Is it possible that the whole Asia as it is today, from Japan to Israel, was a part of India once upon a time? How to explain the influence of Sanskrit laguage in this region and even further west, in the European languages for example. How the existence of such huge Sanskrit vocabularies in different languages in the whole Euro-Asia can be explained?


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http://www.studylight.org/his/bc/wfj/apion/view.cgi?book=1&chapter=1

Josephus against Apion

Chapter 1 - In Defense of Judaism

Chapter 1 - 22 - (16)

Then replied Aristotle, For this cause it will be the best way to imitate that rule of the Rhetoricians, which requires us first to give an account of the man, and of what nation he was, that so we may not contradict our master's directions. Then said Hyperochides, Go on, if it so pleases thee. This man then, [answered Aristotle,] was by birth a Jew, and came from Celesyria; these Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calami, and by the Syrians Judaei, and took their name from the country they inhabit, which is called Judea; but for the name of their city, it is a very awkward one, for they call it Jerusalem

[shenoma]

Then why are you using something from a hollywood movie?

I don't. A 'Roll of the eyes' emoticon is a bit shallow and superficial support considering the Gravity of the Allegation you have 'Cast'.

But then, I have stepped in puddles on the sidewalk that revealed greater depth then what you have shared with us concerning this most egregious matter.

Since you are a Servant of Lord Krishna, would that not make you an "Agent of the Matrix".

[danster82]

So we are just going to label, compartmentalize and further the rift in separation? well if that is the case then whos the agents and whos not? because I cannot proceed until I know.

[tinmenace]

I've noticed a rather disturbing trend lately: A few forum members are here to promote certain "teachers" and ideologies, and if the truth conflicts with their agenda, then it is the truth that gets sacrificed. Regardless of what the topic is or who the agent is, the modus operandi remains the same. Whether the subject is Osho-Rajneesh (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401177#post401177), Eckhart Tolle (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27232), or the House of Yahweh (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14182), these agents bang on and on about their respective "teachers", and in the process they dismiss out of hand or simply ignore the evidence that anyone else presents against them. Then, if the truth gets to be too obvious to deny or ignore, they simply quit posting on that thread, and the next thing you know is they've hopped onto another thread where they are repeating the same programming as before, as though they had never missed a beat.

The good news though is that I don't think anyone is being fooled by it. :D ;)

Here's a photo of some of our forum matrix agents at a meeting:









One has to wonder why this is tolerated.

I think there is MUCH more to this picture than what meets the eye, and I don't believe we'll ever be able to freely discuss this without strict censorship. Free discussion will expose some very-close-to-home hidden hands, and of course that would cause a huge upset.

I keep coming back to what David said in one newsletter. He said something like "Possessing human bodies that have a vibrational sympathy with the possessing entity is a synch."

If there is ANY tolerance to the agents at all, then they have the upper hand.

So, like I've been saying for more than a year; The deliberate derailing of truth by the agents and the blind eye turned to it, as well as the tolerance of slander toward David Icke is so fucking suspicious it makes me sick.

Just my http://vb.spiritual-nature.com/images/smilies/icon_twocents.gif

[jayelowell]

The soul is another ego, a false self. It is temporal.:eek:

[synergy777]

bump

[jimprofit]

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/an8D7YOfHDI/default.jpg
Seriously... it's not like you'd need Agent Smiths all up in David Icke's grill. This forum freaksout if their Iphone plays the same song twice on shuffle mode. What I find most perplexing is how you're so quit to trust people espouting all this love and peace hooplah. When has the world ever ran on such concepts?

It sounds nice, sure. But you know what else would be nice? If I was a multibillionare. You'd know what be even nicer? A world without queers or internet mods. But I take life one step at a time.

Now, I know most of you are not existionalists. You want to believe the universe has some deeper meaning besides "evil versus weird". That there is someone pulling the strings to the absurdity, and it's going to be like a surprise birthday party and all your questions are going to be answered. Well, they're not. Atleast I don't believe so. All modern science point too the universe is a pretty bleak place. This is actually the safest spot to be, which is pretty depressing in it's own right.

Now, I'm not claiming to have all the answers. But evidence weighs greatly in my favor. And I'm not telling you to mope around and think the world's going to end tommorow. Far from it. You're probably going to live a very long time. A very long time of getting bitched at and unappreciated at work and at home. But live. Living's good. Live just inspite of the haters.



http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/Qn2xbvfvlwQ/default.jpg
What I'm saying is, don't be so quick to trust those who claim to be all for tranquility and spiritual ascesion. It's a fucking ruse. You think people out to get you are going to come screaming at the top of their lungs in swastikas wielding a chainsaw? No. They're going to try and be your friend. Lure you into a false sense of security. Be suspicious, be cautious, enjoy that fear, anger, and hatred. It's probably the only thing keeping you feeling from so much worse as there's alot of people out there (mostly gays) who want to stab you in the fucking back!

I'll tell you what I told my ex. Why her friends trusted me over her, despite how they knew what a total prick I was, and she put on this facade of just being a victim and misunderstood...

Better the devil you know, then the angel you don't.