Estonia starts exhumation of WW II soldiers!!!!

[december]

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Estonia cordons off parliament, starts exhumation by statue
19:57 | 28/ 04/ 2007



TALLINN, April 28 (RIA Novosti) - The Estonian parliament and presidential palace have been surrounded by concrete blocks and barbed wire to stave off protests, as the exhumation of the soldiers remains starts under the Soviet-era memorial in Tallinn.

The police have installed floodlights on the upper levels of buildings and are preventing people from entering the square where the memorial stood until Friday.

The site is likely to be closed May 9 when Europe celebrates VE Day.

Apart from the 13 soldiers buried in 1947 under the Bronze Soldier, about 50,000 Soviet soldiers are believed to be buried in 450 WWII burials across Estonia.

There were violent clashes between protesters and police as crowds gathered in Tallinn after Estonian police cordoned off the area around the Soviet World War II memorial, which was dismantled and removed early Friday. As a result of the clashes in the central streets of Tallinn, one man aged 19-20 died, 60 injured, and over 500 detained. The deceased was a Russian national.

Estonia has said the Bronze Soldier and other Soviet monuments - rallying points for ethnic Russians and places of their clashes with Estonian nationalists - "divide society," and the central square is not a proper burial place.

European institutions have made no comment on the dismantling of the monument in EU member Estonia so far.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20070428/64629451.html

[december]

This is the ugly "face" of EU "freedoms"...


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Estonian government cuts up WWII memorial

16:45 | 27/ 04/ 2007

TALLINN. April 27 (RIA Novosti) - The controversial Soviet-era WWII monument in central Tallinn has been cut up and taken out of the city center, the Estonian government press service said Friday.

The Soviet-era World War II memorial was removed from the central square in Tallinn overnight despite the Estonian premier's assurances that it would stay in place until Victory Day on May 9. The move is a breaking point in a long standing dispute with Russia over monuments to Soviet soldiers, whom Estonia considers occupants.

"The Bronze Soldier has been cut up into separate pieces and taken out of the city center. Currently it is under police protection. Information about its whereabouts is not being released," the press service said. The press service declined to say whether the monument will ever be restored. "I cannot answer this question," the spokesman said.

The removal was met with protests, which later turned into riots last night. Clashes between police and protesters left one dead and at least 57 injured, including 13 police officers. Police arrested over 300 people in the riots, using tear gas and water cannons to disperse protestors opposed to the government's decision to exhume the remains of 13 Soviet soldiers, who died liberating Estonia from the Nazis in 1944 and were buried at the site three years later.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, on a visit to Oslo for a meeting of the Russia-NATO Council's foreign ministers, said Moscow, which has vehemently opposed the monument's removal, was outraged by "such desecration and the methods used to disperse the protestors who tried to protect the shrine and memory of Europe's liberators from Nazism."

He said the government of Estonia, an EU member, by removing the monument had spat on common European values, opting for abnormal relations with Russia.

"I do not understand the policy of governments that are seeking to justify their activity by laying the blame for historical events on somebody else and I cannot understand attempts to equate Communism with Nazism," Lavrov said. He added that this was not only a problem of bilateral relations but concerned the whole of Europe.

The European Commission said it was sorry about Estonian police actions against protestors, but made no comment on the dismantling of the Soviet monument.

Russia's upper house of parliament called for breaking diplomatic ties with Estonia over the removal, while the lower house urged for economic sanctions to be taken against the Baltic country. The legislators also called on Russian authorities to secure condemnation from international organizations such as the UN, Council of Europe, OSCE, CIS, and the Russia-NATO Council.

Police reinforcements have been brought in to protect Estonian Embassies in Moscow and St. Petersburg. More than 50 protesters have gathered in front of the embassy building in Moscow, with ten of them clad in WWII uniforms.

The Estonian Ambassador in Moscow, Marina Kaljurand, said the exhumation of the soldiers' remains had not started. "It will begin after the Estonian Lutheran Church and the Russian Orthodox Church have conducted a church service," she said, adding that the remains of the soldiers would be buried at a military cemetery in central Tallinn.

She also said Estonia honored the memory of all victims of fascism and those who fought against it. "Estonia is a democratic country and there is no revival of fascism in Estonia," she said. "One should judge a country by its conduct."

She said Estonia considered Russia's proposal to cut diplomatic ties blackmail. "We consider breaking off diplomatic relations an ungrounded move," Kaljurand said, adding that Estonia was a sovereign country acting in compliance with international law. "No one has the right to interfere in Estonia's internal affairs," she said. "We will not listen to other countries' blackmail and threats." The ambassador also said Estonia had invited Russia to take part in the reburial of the soldiers' remains, which was "an act of good will."

The Estonian parliament passed laws allowing the removal of Soviet monuments and the exhumation of Soviet soldiers, claiming that monuments that encourage social divisions must be removed. The move followed clashes between ethnic Russians and Estonian nationalists at the Soviet-era monument.

Russia has repeatedly drawn the European Union's attention to attempts by Estonia, which declared its independence from the Soviet Union in the early 1990s and joined NATO and the EU in 2004, to glorify Nazi Germany, including allowing parades by former Nazi SS fighters. Moscow has also harshly criticized Estonia's discriminatory policies with respect to ethnic Russians and their descendents, who moved to the republic following its annexation by the Soviet Union in 1940.

Many members of Estonia's Russian community are denied citizenship and employment rights, and cannot receive an education in their native language. The human rights group Amnesty International condemned the situation in the Baltic country, and called on its leadership to respect the rights of ethnic Russians.

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Police cordoned off the area around the memorial in the run up to May 9 VE Day.


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Russia's Foreign Ministry has said it would revise relations with the Baltic country, now an EU member, which had decided to remove the monument as "dividing society." Mikhail Kamynin, the ministry spokesman, said the events in Tallinn "need to be looked at by international organizations in all seriousness and necessary measures taken to cool the Estonian authorities' zeal."

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Mikhail Margelov, head of the Russian Federation Council's international affairs committee, said Estonian nationalists were reaping the rewards of their policy and expressed concern that their actions were going unpunished.


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[december]

Europe "no right to ignore" Tallinn row - Russian PACE official
20:45 | 28/ 04/ 2007

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MOSCOW, April 28 (RIA Novosti) - A senior Russian lawmaker has urged the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe to include the dispute over the Soviet WWII memorial in Tallinn in its June session.

"Plans to move the soldier's graves of various nationalities, who made the ultimate sacrifice to liberate Europe from Fascism, are cynical and blasphemous," Konstantin Kosachev, who is in charge of international affairs in the lower house of the Russian parliament and serves as PACE deputy speaker, said in an open statement.

He cited media reports of excessive and heavy handed use of force by the Estonian police and military against peaceful protesters who were trying to defend those who had crushed the Nazis.

"The Estonian police are not disclosing the whereabouts of those detained and in some cases denying them access to legal advice," he said.

"The Council of Europe and its Parliamentary Assembly... does not have a right to ignore events ongoing in one of its member states," Kosachev said.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20070428/64631414.html

[december]

Claims of Russia's part in clashes in Estonia unfounded - MP
17:26 | 29/ 04/ 2007



MOSCOW, April 29 (RIA Novosti) - A senior Russian lawmaker dismissed Sunday as unfounded Estonia's claims that Russia was to blame for escalating tension in Estonia and sparking clashes in the Estonian capital after the removal of the Soviet WWII monument.

Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet said April 29 that biased coverage by Russian mass media and ill-intentional statements by Russian politicians were partly to blame for violent clashes between protesters and police in the Estonian capital after the Bronze Soldier statue was dismantled and removed early Friday.

"The statement is inadequate and is evidence that the Estonian authorities have failed to realize what is going on or pretend to do so," said Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the State Duma International Affairs Committee.

As a result of the clashes in the central streets of Tallinn, one man aged 19-20 died, 60 injured, and over 500 detained. The deceased was a Russian national.

"We have no relation to the civil society's reaction witnessed in the streets of Estonian cities," Kosachev said.

Apart from the 13 soldiers buried in 1947 under the Bronze Soldier, about 50,000 Soviet soldiers are believed to be buried in 450 WWII burials across Estonia.

Estonia has said the Bronze Soldier and other Soviet monuments - rallying points for ethnic Russians and places of their clashes with Estonian nationalists - "divide society," and the central square is not a proper burial place.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070429/64656131.html

[december]

During WWII Estonians fought FOR THE NAZIS.
Nazis lost...

So, today they dig out the graves to remove the remains of the soldiers who fought against the Nazis to get some sort of satisfaction.

You can see what sort of people rule that small country....

And by the way, Estonia became a member of the European Union on 1 May 2004, on the major Satanic holiday - the Walpurgis Night.

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[december]

During WWII Estonians served Nazis well, they even signed up for Waffen SS and Wehrmacht!

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Recruitment poster for the Estnische SS-Legion.



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20th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Estonian)

Selection of insignias issued to the Estonian Waffen Grenadier conscripts.


Estnische SS-Legion

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- estnisches SS-Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadier-Bataillon Narwa
Estnische SS-Freiwilligen-Brigade
3.Estnische SS-Freiwilligen-Brigade
20.Estnische SS-Freiwilligen-Division
20.Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (estnische Nr. 1)
The 20th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Estonian) was a Baltic Waffen SS Grenadier division recruited by Germans from mainly Estonian conscripts. It saw action on the Eastern Front during World War II.

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[december]

Russian-Estonian relations: stuck between a rock and a hard place

28/ 04/ 2007


MOSCOW. (Tatyana Stanovaya, an expert with the Center for Political Technologies, for RIA Novosti) - The removal of a World War II memorial from central Tallinn highlighted a major contradiction in the priorities of Russian-Estonian relations.

The Kremlin has been faced with a difficult choice between risking a disruption in its economic ties with Estonia, and disregarding the historical memory of millions in favor of a pragmatic approach toward strengthening the country's economic might.

It is difficult to choose between politics and the economy.

One approach to relations with Estonia is based on politics and stipulates an uncompromising defense of Russian interests using all available instruments, from diplomatic moves to economic sanctions and a boycott of Estonian goods in Russia.

Sergei Mironov, speaker of the upper house of Russia's parliament, has initiated an appeal to the government to sever relations with Estonia.

The proponents of this approach argue that Russia should create a pro-Russian political infrastructure in Estonia, rather than develop relations with the anti-Russian elite. This is a confrontational scenario that entails clashing with the most influential and powerful forces in Estonia while relying on marginal and weak, but entirely pro-Russian organizations. According to that logic, Russia should try to influence the Estonian elite and, failing to entice it with the carrot, resort to the stick.

There are downsides to that approach.

First, the pro-Russian political infrastructure (the Constitutional Party, veterans' organizations, and the anti-fascist Night Watch movement) is not as influential as the Estonian political forces, which is a major obstacle to the promotion of Russian interests in Estonia.

The Constitutional Party got only 0.99% of the vote in the parliamentary election, and Russian speakers preferred supporting the Centrist Party, a much more effective force. The Constitutional Party has today opted for keeping out of the Russian-Estonian conflict. It has appealed to the government to respect the monuments to "those who perished in that war, which the world remembers as the worst and most inhuman event of the 20th century."

This is indirect proof of how futile the confrontational scenario would be.

The second downside is that this approach would not benefit Russia and would allow Estonia to accuse the Kremlin of interfering in its internal affairs. President Vladimir Putin has spoken out against foreign interference in the internal political affairs of Russia. Therefore, confrontation with Estonia would make Russia look hypocritical and would scare off Europe, which might otherwise criticize the highly contestable decisions of the Estonian government.

And third, deteriorating relations with Estonia might complicate the transit of Russian oil and oil products via the Baltic countries. As long as Russia's economy depends on petrodollars, the Kremlin will have to choose between stable revenues, which can be used to address social and economic problems at home, and historical pride, which is an indispensable condition for the revival of any nation.

The second, pragmatic scenario favors the economic approach. Some Estonian and Russian media have recently reported that Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the lower house of the Russian parliament's committee for international affairs, said he would support the Estonian government's decision to move the monument if it were done properly.

That report was denied almost immediately, but it provided a clear picture of a pragmatic stance, according to which the reburial of Soviet soldiers with proper honors was admissible, and constructive bilateral relations could be developed.

According to Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet, there are proponents of this scenario in the Russian establishment. He said negotiations were under way through Russian diplomatic channels to find a suitable option for removing the monument.

Vladimir Zhirinovsky, head of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia, said: "They have the right to dismantle [the monument]. It is a sovereign country. As for Russia, it should look at what is happening at home, where such monuments have been dismantled without causing much of a stir."

Boris Gryzlov, speaker of the lower house of Russia's parliament, can be described, although with some reservations, as a proponent of the pragmatic approach. During the election campaign in Estonia, he advocated voting for the Centrist Party of Edgar Savisaar, which supported the law on military graves.

The pragmatic approach is no less contradictory than the political one. By opting for it, the Kremlin risks losing pro-Russian supporters in Estonia, who uphold their positions more consistently than the Centrists do but may feel betrayed if the Kremlin diversifies its allegiances.

This approach is also dangerous because it would create a precedent. If Russia allows the Bronze Soldier to be dismantled, this may open the door to similar decisions in other countries and a revision of history.

And lastly, the most difficult issue for pragmatists is veterans, whose feelings would be ignored shortly before their most important holiday, VE Day on May 8-9.

Russia has to choose between two evils, whose consequences are very difficult to calculate because politics and the economy, the past and the future cannot exist independently of each other.

By severing relations with Estonia, the Kremlin would deliver a blow to the economic interests of Russia. By pretending not to notice the removal of the monument, it would injure the feelings of a substantial part of Estonian society, as well as veterans and the overwhelming majority of Russians.

Hopefully, the Kremlin will find a compromise, responding to the Estonian authorities' decision without endangering the economic interests of Russia.

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070428/64620110.html

[december]

What's going on in EU?

In some EU countries it is going to be illegal to display swastika and, as BBC reports - "Germany, holder of the EU presidency, wants to make Holocaust denial and the display of Nazi symbols a crime".

Hindus opposing EU swastika ban

The Nazis hijacked the symbol from its Hindu origins

Hindus in Europe have joined forces against a German proposal to ban the display of the swastika across the European Union, a Hindu leader said".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6269627.stm

But at the same time it is OK for Estonia (an EU member) to erect Nazi monuments!!!


Estonia, otro país báltico, ha construido un monumento a la memoria de los nazis

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Todo está listo en Estonia para la inauguración del monumento en memoria de los SS nazis

http://www.voltairenet.org/article124302.html

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[marcus_]

I live in Estonia and this is ridiculous. Nazis took over Estonia first, then the Russians "Liberated" us aka Occupied us for 50 years, killed and raped estonians and we should be thankful for that?

A russian died when he was in an argument with another russian. You can't blame the coverment.
Why isn't it recongized that when the soviets occupied us it was the same for the estonians when nazis invaded and occupied us?

Plus another fun fact you forgot to mention probably. The statue was moved to a cemetary where it belongs because russians and estonians were fighting there. The soldiers who fought for our freedom can rest in peace in a cemetary. The russian coverment started bullying the Baltic countries a long time ago, why hasn't anyone said about that then?

It's just ridiculous. You're just getting you're info from the media which almost always lies. You're a russian and that symbolizes freedom for you, but it symbolizes another reign of evil for our little country.

[december]

I think the Europe's neo-Nazis are just trying to rewrite the history by presenting the Nazis as good guys and at the same time by demonizing those who fought against Nazi regime.


Pickets at the Estonian Embassy in Moscow

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A picket of indefinite duration was organized in protest against the actions of the Estonian government.

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Collecting signatures from those in favor of “dismantling the fascist Estonian Embassy” outside the embassy in Moscow.

[marcus_]

No one is trying to rewrite history. No-one is demonizing the soldiers who faught agaisnt facism. How would you feel if your country would be occupied for 50 years? You're trying to tell everyone that Estonians are neonazis because they stood up against communism.
Oh by the way, do you know that Kreml is paying the protesters 550-1000 rublas for protesting?

We should start talking about communists/russians and what they did to everyone.

[december]

...the Russians "Liberated" us aka Occupied us for 50 years, killed and raped estonians and we should be thankful for that?

Hello, marcus.

Sounds like it is very popular in Estonia to demonize the Russian people today? Right?

Most Estonians act like true SATANISTS by desecrating the graves of Soviet soldiers all across Estonia in order to get sadistic satisfaction...

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And by the way, why do you say "Russians "Liberated", when you ought to know that the USSR was a multinational state and it was NOT run by the Russian people?

In fact the head of the state was non-Russian. Many people know that Josef Stalin (real name Vissarion Jugashvili) was Georgian.

Vissarion Jugashvili (aka Josef Stalin)

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Josef Stalin (aka Vissarion Jugashvili)

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And many members of the Soviet government since 1917 were JEWS.

I asume this is news to you? Right?

[loveemotion]

No one is trying to rewrite history. No-one is demonizing the soldiers who faught agaisnt facism. How would you feel if your country would be occupied for 50 years? You're trying to tell everyone that Estonians are neonazis because they stood up against communism.
Oh by the way, do you know that Kreml is paying the protesters 550-1000 rublas for protesting?

We should start talking about communists/russians and what they did to everyone.


I am Russian born and raised until i was about 17 yaers old..

Yes, Russian culture have rough edges but so do the others...
Mind control is a factor here.
I have nothing against anyone.. specially against estonians..

But what i had came to find out.. Estonians are feeling very uncomfortable when a russian soul is around them..:cool:

It Is the Will and Power of the Love that most of people cannot withstand.
i didnt know that during 50 years almost everyone was raped in estonia :eek: .. that is very disturbing.. but why would you go in the past and try to fight the same fight again? .. do you really want to end up in the endless circle that a cage mouse running on? why do people bring the past into present? - Revenge, is my answer for you..

Revenge is a bad feeling. you will never get satisfaction out of it.. instead of that do something different... dont go against russians.. try to talk to them. Ofcourse you'd say that would work and... i need to drink a "shut the fuck up" juice.. but i tell ya what... sounds like all this stuff thats going on will escalade into something big you never imagined... guess what...

You think you standing up for what you believe...
I think.. you are just walking your path.

Marcus what i dont understand is why are you being so negative to this thread.. i wouldnt think you were raped... or beaten by russians.. Crap i was! by my own people.. but that only means that you are on your path... you have to see certain things before you wake up.. if you wake up at all.

Marcus if you find anything of what i said is offensive... please i want you to know that i never meant to create something negative here.. Please forgive me for speaking my mind..

I wish you all the love that i carry.. Yahwee :D

LAL (love and light)

[marcus_]

I'm being negative because the russian coverment is being so hypocritical.
I differ from the mass but I can't say that I approve someone calling us neo-nazis on a forum because he thinks his way of thinking is right.

Most Estonians act like true SATANISTS by desecrating the graves of Soviet soldiers all across Estonia in order to get sadistic satisfaction...
All across Estonia is a false statement. Crowds were rioting at the statue. How is that respecting the dead? They moved it to a cemetary, that's it.

A week or two ago they dug up a grave in russia aswell, for the new parking lot. There were people against it but OMON just used force to stop demonstrating.

On another subject, I try to be neutral on most things. I read books, I've read David Icke books, seen the videos and what not.
I wouldn't have posted in this forum, just that decembers lies got my blood boiling if you know what I mean.

I'm not standing up for what I believe. I'm just defending my fellow countrymen from these false accusations.
I'll ignore the posts you'll make to defend your lies. Have a good life and I hope someday you'll understand that lieing isn't the way.

[tsaar]

All who are interested about the real history of Estonia http://www.balticsww.com/tourist/estonia/history.htm

Estonia has been occupied by other countrys most of history. When Russia came to occupie (not free) Estonia the Germans were still here. Estonian men were recruted by Germany military and by Russian military. If you sayd that you did`t want to fight you went to yail for a long time. Brothers were fighting against brothers. Those who were lucky escaped. Russia sent ten's
and ten's of thousands estonian people to Siberia. People were transported by trains and most died during the ride becouse of hunger or diseases. Very few came back alive. Peaople were killed, women were raped and people were hiding in the forrests. They sent many russian people to Estonia because they wanted to destroy estonian people (the plan was that there would be no estonians left). Even in schools only russian was aloud to speak. Estonian songs were not allowed. They basicly tried to make those estonians, who were still alive , Russians. But Estonia fought back and finally 1991 Estonia was a free country! This is a very emotional for all Baltic countrys YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. . This is the baltic chain which celebrates freedom from Russia!

About this statue...Last year they celebrated the occupation of Estonia there. They had Soviet flags there which is very provacative here because this means to estonians that you are celebrating the killings of estonians. Estonian went there for a peaceful protest and russians spit in their face, took the estonian flag and stamped on it ánd screamed horrible things.
After such a thing people did't want this to go one. Finally they desided to move the statue to a cemetary which is 2 km away from where it was standing before. Russians started vandalizing before it was removed. When they started breaking into shops and stealing and burning busstops Estonian goverment desided to remove it ahed of schedule becouse of safety. Russian media is lieing about this thing a lot. First of all police didn't kill anyone. One russian killed another russian. The statue was removed in one peace and was replaced in cemetary according to the plan. Police didn't beat anyone. The damage that russians caused was estimated to 100 million estonian kroons.
Here you can find videos about what russians did http://www.delfi.ee/archive/article.php?id=15694269&categoryID=120&ndate=1177621200
Here you can find some pictures what the russians did before the statue was removed http://pilt.delfi.ee/album/19390/?page=1

Of course police had to fight them and arrest them. Vandalists are arested in all countrys, not olny in Estonia.

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"Hello there! I decided to write this post after short staying in Estonia. I came there as a tourist to take part in protest rallies against removing of a WWII memorial in honor of defeaters of Nazis. I used to hear that native Estonians mainly share pro-fascist sentiments. Honestly, I did not believe it... unless I had an opportunity to get convinced of it when I came to that country. You need to know that I was lucky to observe with my own eyes the full process of exhumation of Soviet soldiers by Estonian servicemen. What is commonly named with a lofty word "exhumation", there in Estonia rather looked like digging out rotten potatoes. The dozen of men who were doing the exhumation showed absolutely no respect to those who were lying beneath! Their faces were full of scorn and disgust! You should have seen the way they were extracting the bones of Soviet soldiers and piling them disrespectfully and disorderly. I even saw some of them literally spitting upon the remnants and kicking them with their boots on the sly when they thought nobody was seeing them. What a shame! From the first glance it was clear these guys are absolutely foul inside! Nothing is sacred to them! To put it in a word - they are Nazis! You should also know how they behave toward Jews who live in Estonia. I heard Estonian Nazis regard Jews as submen and dream of driving them out of country one day. Yeah, something must be done about it. I think it is time the EU introduces some sanctions against Estonia!"

Sourse -

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=4861

[december]

So, again....

What's going on in EU? Did they already forget what was going on during the Second World War?...

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"Russians must die to let us live" (a fascist wrote on a school blackboard on October 2, 1941)


In some EU countries it is going to be illegal to display swastika and, as BBC reports - "Germany, holder of the EU presidency, wants to make Holocaust denial and the display of Nazi symbols a crime".

Hindus opposing EU swastika ban

The Nazis hijacked the symbol from its Hindu origins

Hindus in Europe have joined forces against a German proposal to ban the display of the swastika across the European Union, a Hindu leader said".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6269627.stm

But at the same time it is OK for Estonia (an EU member) to erect Nazi monuments!!!


Estonia, otro país báltico, ha construido un monumento a la memoria de los nazis

http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/jpg/es-nazi3901.jpg

Todo está listo en Estonia para la inauguración del monumento en memoria de los SS nazis

http://www.voltairenet.org/article124302.html

The Nazis and their actions in the occupied part of the Soviet Union.
1941 - 1944.

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Estonian officials determined to dishonor Soviet soldiers, who liberated Estonia of fascism.

The Estonian government has finally determined its attitude to the celebration of the 60th anniversary of Victory over Nazism. Estonia, a former republic of the Soviet Union, decided to mark the significant date in its own style. The monument to the warriors, who fell for freedom of Estonia will be unveiled in Tallinn, the capital of Estonia, on May 8th. In other words, the Estonian authorities intend to erect the monument to Wermaht soldiers and the 20th SS division. To crown it all, the monument is to be unveiled near the Memorial Complex to Soviet soldiers.

There is no point in exposing the blatant intention of the Estonian government: it is extremely hard to comprehend the fact of unveiling the monument to Nazi soldiers during the celebration of Victory in WWII. It is not clear, however, why the government of Estonia made such an odious decision. They probably wanted to emphasize the national freedom and independence of Estonia, although it looked like the country has lost its mind and reason. It is worth mentioning that the monument was to be unveiled last summer, although the authorities decided to wait for another year.
The monument represents a map of Estonia, on which the sites of major battles are marked. There are also 16 little boards, which carry the names of Hitler's Wermaht units. The Estonian Prime Minister, Andrus Ansi will participate in the opening ceremony. Furthermore, spokespeople for the Estonian government are not going to honor monuments to “foreign troops” nearby.
The President of Estonia, Arnold Ruutel, refused to take part in the opening ceremony. In addition, the president decided not to go to Moscow for festive celebrations either. However, Mr. Ruutel will not be left without a holiday: the Estonian president will take part in Mother's Day undertakings.

It would be unfair not to say that members of the Estonian government are going to lay wreaths to the monument of Holocaust victims the same day as well. The situation looks absurd indeed: the prime minister of the country opens a monument to Nazis, while members of his government lay wreaths and flowers to the monument of victims of Nazism.

Rene van der Linden, the chairman of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe has recently stated that the Council of Europe was ready to take active measures to confront revanchism in Baltic states. The official said that the Council of Europe would have to take appropriate actions in the event former SS soldiers become more active in the Baltic region. “The Council of Europe is not going to tolerate manifestations of totalitarianism of any form,” the official stated.

[tsaar]

Does this man who saw the spitting on bones have x-ray eyes??? There was a tent and no one saw what was going on inside!
What is wrong with you December? Why do you post these lies and russian propaganda here? This is excactly the same absurd propaganda that America did before they went to Irak. Maybe Estonia has weapons of massdestrucktion too???
Were you here December when everything happend? No! You are just buying into the russian propaganda. Shame on you for being so ignorant!
Do you even know what a word nazi means??? If you do then you would know that estonians are not nazis. Please go look up the word in a dictionary. To Estonia both Russia and nazis (Germany) were unpleasent. Estonia was a victim of nazi Germany and Russia both!!!

[december]

When Russia came to occupie (not free) Estonia the Germans were still here.

......by Russian military.

Russia sent ten's and ten's of thousands estonian people to Siberia.

They basicly tried to make those estonians, who were still alive , Russians.

This is the baltic chain which celebrates freedom from Russia!

Russians started vandalizing before it was removed.

tsaar, are you trying to rewrite the history by simply ignoring the fact that at THAT time there was SOVIET UNION and not just Russia?

In fact there was Soviet Russia, which was ruled by non-Russians who tried to destroy the history and culture of Russian people.
Is it news to you?


tsaar, I asume you didn't notice my previous post (which was addressed to marcus), so I have to repeat it JUST FOR YOU:

__________________________

"...why do you say "Russians "Liberated", when you ought to know that the USSR was a multinational state and it was NOT run by the Russian people?

In fact the head of the state was non-Russian. Many people know that Josef Stalin (real name Vissarion Jugashvili) was Georgian.

Vissarion Jugashvili (aka Josef Stalin)

http://img.search.com/thumb/7/73/Stalin3.jpg/200px-Stalin3.jpg

Josef Stalin (aka Vissarion Jugashvili)

http://img.search.com/thumb/f/ff/Big_3.jpg/270px-Big_3.jpg

And many members of the Soviet government since 1917 were JEWS.

I asume this is news to you? Right?"

______________________________

also, tsaar, in case you didn't know, - this was a flag of Soviet Russia -

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/7635/su-rsfsr.gif

And this is a coat of arms of Soviet Russia -

http://www.ngw.nl/int/rus/images/rsfsr.jpg

USSR to CIS
Fifteen republics - fifteen sisters. This used to be a common saying in the Soviet Union. In 1991 the family split up with the former republics of the Soviet Union becoming the newly independent states.

Take a look at the changes in their flags and official names. The republics' memberships in the USSR required the incorporation of the red color and the golden star above the crossed hammer and sickle in their flags. "Sovetskaya Sotsialisticheskaya Respublika" or Soviet Socialist Republic (SSR) was also added to their names.

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/7635/history.html

[december]

Still not clear why EU and US ignore the glorification of the Nazis in Estonia, when at the same time the German Justice Minister Brigitte Zypries says - "Historically proven facts must not be denied"...

What's going on here?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6336513.stm




http://www.khatyn.by/photo/im_1.jpg

"Russians must die to let us live" (a fascist wrote on a school blackboard on October 2, 1941)


Estonia, otro país báltico, ha construido un monumento a la memoria de los nazis

http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/jpg/es-nazi3901.jpg

Todo está listo en Estonia para la inauguración del monumento en memoria de los SS nazis

http://www.voltairenet.org/article124302.html

___________________________

And also, U.S. Senate backs Estonia, rebukes Russia over war memorial protests

04/ 05/ 2007


WASHINGTON, D.C/MOSCOW. May 4 (RIA Novosti) - The U.S. Senate adopted a resolution Friday by a simple majority supporting Estonia and denouncing attacks against its embassies in Russia and elsewhere.

Describing the relationship between Estonia and the old Soviet Union as a cruel and illegitimate occupation that violated Estonia's sovereignty and right to self-determination, the Senate supported Estonia as a member of NATO and the OSCE in resolving issues it regards as its internal affairs.

The resolution, introduced by Joseph Biden, Jr. (D - DE) and Joseph I. Lieberman (ID - CT), highlights the fact that despite Estonia's willingness to cooperate in the relocation of a WWII monument and the remains of fallen Red Army soldiers from the center of Estonian capital, Tallinn, to a military cemetery, Russian officials had refused.

It further denounced violence, vandalism and looting in the Estonian capital, as well as attacks against Estonia's diplomatic offices elsewhere.

The resolution also called upon all countries to help Estonia investigate hacker attacks against its Web sites, which Estonian officials said came from Russia, and asked all signatories to the 1961 Vienna Convention on the rights and immunity of diplomats to honor their commitments.

Honoring the memory of those who perished in WWII, the Senate said all attempts to exploit their memory should be strongly denounced.

The Senate also supported Estonia's efforts to establish a dialogue with other free and sovereign states.

Protests in Tallinn sparked by the relocation of the monument, mostly by ethnic Russians, left one Russian, Dmitry Ganin, dead and hundreds under arrest.

Moscow said the protests were "a natural reaction" and accused Estonian police of human rights violations against Russian-speakers, many of whom have been denied Estonian citizenship since Estonia won its independence from the Soviet Union.

The Estonian Embassy in Moscow has been under siege by pro-Kremlin youth group Nashi since last week. The protesters tore down a flag from the embassy building and mobbed Ambassador Marina Kaljurand Wednesday as she was about to speak at a news conference.

She later left Russia, officially on holiday. Five protesters have reportedly been detained in the Russian capital.

Earlier Friday, Nashi also disrupted a panel discussion with the Estonian consul general in Russia's second-largest city, St. Petersburg.

Russia has protested Estonian actions involving the monument, and linked them to broader policies it says are pursued in the Baltics, notably by Latvia and Estonia, against Russian-speaking minorities, citing the revival of Nazism, a crackdown on the Russian language and denying citizenship to minorities.

During Russia-EU human rights consultations in Berlin, the Russian delegation accused the EU of ignoring outright violations of common European values and principles the Baltic states were supposed to be part of.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20070504/64918547.html

[december]

http://web.ku.edu/~eceurope/hist557/lect16_files/Hanging.jpg

Estonia Immortalizes Nazi Criminals

Wednesday, July 7 2004


TALLINN, Estonia - Chief Rabbi of Estonia Shmuel Kot has voiced regret with respect and disappointment to the decision of Estonian authorities to erect a monument to Estonians who served in the SS troops and others who fought for the Nazi army during World War Two.

The decision to erect the monument was made publicly known during the 12th annual parade held by former Estonian SS soldiers, despite the fact that just two weeks before, officials from the City Administration reassured Jewish community leaders that the monument would not be built. This was the same message relayed by Estonian President Arnold Ruitel during his meeting with the President of the Jewish Community of Estonia, Tsiliya Laud.

"As we can now see, the efforts of the Jewish community have been to no avail, produced absolutely no results", expressed Rabbi Kot. "Estonian authorities decided to immortalize the memory of those who fought on the side of the Nazis and caused the death of tens of thousands of Jews and people of other ethnicities".

"The most surprising thing is that the monument was partly sponsored by the City Administration of Tallinn", added the Chief Rabbi. "The Jewish community plans to approach world leaders to request that they try to influence the Estonian government, which is, in effect, immortalizing the memory of Nazi criminals".

While Rabbi Kot's words shed some light on this tragic situation, the Jewish community of Estonia is hopeful that the appeal of the country's Jewish leaders and other humanitarians will not go unheard.

http://www.fjc.ru/news/newsArticle.asp?AID=148323

The Nazis and their actions in the occupied part of the Soviet Union.
1941 - 1944.

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http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/beyond-the-pale/images/56-7.jpg

http://www.auschwitz.dk/masha4.jpg

The Estonian national flag -

http://worldheritage.heindorffhus.dk/estonia-ee1991-flag-large.jpg

http://www.ivvolympiad.ee/pildid/lipp.jpg

http://www.ibrrc.org/images/Estonia06/estonia_map.gif

[tinmenace]

What the hell is wrong with these people!?

[december]

What the hell is wrong with these people!?


You can ask them, tinmenace:

http://www.embassy.org/embassies/EE.jpg

Embassy

Estonia

Contact

2131 Massachusetts Av., NW
Washington, D.C. 20008 USA
tel. (1 202) 588 0101
fax (1 202) 588 0108
e-mail: info@estemb.org




1730 M Street, Suite 503, NW, Washington DC 20036

Telephone: (202) 588-0101
Fax: (202) 588-0108
E-mail: info@estemb.org
URL: http://www.estemb.org/

http://www.embassy.org/embassies/ee.html

[december]

The Estonian government has very weird logic - they scream at the top of thier lungs about what they call the "Russian occupation" and their "struggle for independence", but at the same time they participate in the occupation of a sovereign country!!!

Estonian troops relish Iraqi patrols


Rory Carroll in Baghdad
Saturday September 3, 2005
The Guardian


US allies are quitting Iraq in droves but the coalition of the willing is not quite dead: 40 Estonian soldiers hope their corner of Baghdad will remain forever Baltic.

The light infantry platoon, Estonia's sum contribution to the war, is responsible for Abu Ghraib district, a cauldron of rubble and violence. The platoon loves it.

READ MORE -

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1561815,00.html




Estonian formin: to leave Iraq now would be irresponsible
20.02.2007

TALLINN, Feb 20, BNS - Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet said it would be irresponsible not to contribute to the development of Iraq in the present transition period.

Speaking during a foreign policy discussion in parliament Paet said that ways for the solution of the crisis would have to be found in the context of the whole region, otherwise the country could fall appart and political opposition could go beyond the boundaries of Iraq.

Therefore, he said, it was important that Iraq should rise on its feet as a unitary state, that there was enough skill to take into consideration interests of the different regions and religious communities and that the oil proceeds of the country were equally shared.

Paet said that the solution of the Iraqi conflict lay in political changes and agreements, in which all the ethnic and religious communities should be involved and which improvement of the security situation must support.

He pointed out that Estonian soldiers contributed to this on the basis of the parliament's mandate based on a United Nations Security Council resolution and the Iraqi government's request. "The will of the Iraqi government to move ahead is great and it would be irresponsible now not to contribute to the development of Iraq," he said.

He said the US administration had the firm wish to take a decisive step towards the improvement of the security situation, which was confirmed by the recent despatch of an additional contingent to the Baghdad area. "The time factor is very important in this: permanent lack of the sesne of security and stability oppresses the residents of Iraq and sets in danger the future of the country," he said.

Ensuring security by international forces, the minister said, was vitally important for support to the political process, but this could be done only in cooperation with Iraqi forces. He said the international coalition contributed both to stabilization of the situation and prevented escalation of the conflict.

The aim this year, the minister said, was to bring as many areas of Iraq as possible under the central government's responsibility. "It is a large country that has educated people and abundant oil reserves -- the Iraqis could gain very much by peace within just a few years," Paet said.

The minister said that Estonia was immediately concerned also with the situation in Afghanistan, where the government had set itself the aim of building up a functioning and peaceful country. But, he added, poverty, weakness of state structures and opposition by extremist groups could not be overcome without international assistance.

Afghanistan's welfare, he said, was important both from the point of view of regional stability and curbing international drug trade and terrorism and this was the idea of the Estonian military mission and development cooperation.

http://www.estemb.org/static/files/056/washington_logo_eng.jpg

http://www.estemb.org/news/aid-440

[december]

Estonian Nazi commander reburied in Tallinn


The ashes of an Estonian officer who commanded a unit of the Nazi Waffen-SS in the Second World War have been reburied in a ceremony in the Estonian capital, Tallinn.

The officer, Alfons Rebane, served in the Estonian army until Soviet troops occupied the country in 1940.

He joined the German army when it entered Estonia the following year.
The Estonian prime minister, Mart Laar, described Rebane as one of Estonia's most prominent soldiers and said the country had a duty to rebury the ashes, which were brought from Germany.

But political parties representing the ethnic Russian community have said the reburial amounts to a support of fascism.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/379089.stm


http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9901/12/EU.reform/estonia.tallinn.lg.jpg

Tallinn (historically also known as Reval, among other names) is the capital and largest city of Estonia. It lies on the northern coast of Estonia, along the Gulf of Finland. The city is an important industrial and cultural center, and seaport.

Tallinn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


WWII. SS at work.

http://z.about.com/d/history1900s/1/0/d/8/einsatz7.jpg


http://www.strike-the-root.com/3/herman/ss.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/75/Einsatzgruppen_Killing.jpg/250px-Einsatzgruppen_Killing.jpg

20th Waffen-Grenadier Division der SS Estonia

http://www.epier.com/store/outpostflags/ItemImages/PICT65933.jpg


http://www.epier.com/store/outpostflags/viewitem.asp?id=48623

[december]

No one is trying to rewrite history. No-one is demonizing the soldiers who faught agaisnt facism.


Russia regrets NATO, EU connivance at attempts to rewrite history

12:08 | 07/ 05/ 2007

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Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov.


MOSCOW, May 7 (RIA Novosti) - Russia rejects some countries' attempts to rewrite history, Russia's foreign minister said Monday.

Addressing a wreath-laying ceremony for diplomats who perished in WWII, Sergei Lavrov said that the memory of the Victory was sacred, and that all officials at the Russian Foreign Ministry were responsible for thwarting attempts to scoff at history.

"Unfortunately, some organizations, such as NATO and the EU are conniving at such attempts [to rewrite history]," Lavrov said.

Last week, Russia was angered by the reaction of some EU countries, as well as the U.S., in an escalating dispute with Estonia over the removal of a Soviet-era war memorial from central Tallinn late in April. The relocation of the monument caused protests in Tallinn, mostly by ethnic Russians, which left one Russian dead and hundreds under arrest. Moscow said the protests were "a natural reaction" and accused Estonian police of human rights violations.

Russia's ambassador to the OSCE said grave human rights violations in Estonia resulted from the EU and NATO's indifference and tacit consent.

Estonia also received backing from the United States, which said it was the Baltic state's internal affair and called for dialogue.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070507/65008645.html

[december]

Estonia is rehabilitating an ss rottenfuher who participated in the excecution of hostages.

For ten years, the justice system in the Republic of Estonia has been acquitting Estonian legionaries who were members of punishing missions against civilian populations and were executioners, whilst representing them as heroes. A characteristic example is a letter from the Estonian Department of Internal Affairs to the Pskov Region Federal Security Services (FSB): We request that you make a note in the archive criminal case NN-12457 to the effect that, according to article 64-a of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic Criminal Code, Artur-Johannes Mihkel Pupart, born in 1924, in accordance with Part 1 article 2 of Estonian Republic legislation OOn rehabilitation of persons extrajudically repressed or illegally condemned,O has been rehabilitated. Sincerely, Ivar Teaer, Director of the Information and Analysis Bureau of the ER Police Department.

We must note that A. Pupart was an executioner. He was an SS Rottenfuhrer of the Estonian police battalion who established a Nnew orderO in Pskov region, was also Oillegally condemnedO and has been rehabilitated. He and six of his accomplices stood trial where the crimes were committed, in Pskov, as the law requires. He confessed that in 1942 he participated in the executions of 49 hostages, including women and young children. The court took into account his disability and sentenced him to 15 years imprisonment, as different to his accomplices.

Estonians in SS uniforms fought for national interests,O said the former president of modern-day Estonia L. Meri, as he welcomed the international rally of former SS members in Estonia.

[freedom fighter]

Hello

My name is Toivo and i live in Estonia, Tallinn - the place where everything happened. I was there when the riots started. I saw everything that happened. Now here is what is really going on:

Estonia was under nazis control. Russia then attacked nazis in estonia, basicly attacking estonia. Yeah. They did defeat the nazis in estonia, but did they leave after that? NO! They occupyed estonia for another 50 years until 1991 when estonia declared independency.

For estonians the Bronze Soldier symbolizes nothing but RUSSIA OCCUPYING ESTONIA! Of course we wanna get rid of it. Russians killed tens of thousands estonians. Including my relatives!

Finally the government took one act - they removed it. Thats how it happened:

I went to city center and i saw this big fence around the area of bronze soldier. In the center they were setting up a huge tent that would cover bronze soldier and all the area surrounding it. At the time there was about 500-1000 people seeing what is going on - estonians too. At same night RUSSIANS started rioting town, about 1500 of them. They burned a house, a kiosk, broke sh*tloads of windows, stole a lot of stuff. RUSSIANS DID THAT. NOT ESTONIANS! One russian was killed - Russian news said it was killed by a cop! What actually happened was that he was stabbed by another russian after breaking into a casino, i guess they didn't agree how to split the money they stole!

A day later, another riot - guess what - BY RUSSIANS!

The Bronze Soldier had nothing to do with the rioting. The russians went to mess up the town WHERE THEY LIVED AT! Who is stupid enough to do that!? Are these the people who SET ESTONIA FREE? RIOTING MY TOWN? STEALING STUFF FROM MY SHOPS?

Estonia had every right to remove that statue, because for estonia it symbolizes nothing but pain for the relatives that were killed by russians.

As i said, i was there when the rioting was going on. I saw what happened! AND I AM TELLING YOU - MEDIA IS SO WRONG ABOUT THAT! Especially russian media.

Russian media said that all the russians cops came off the police work. WRONG! NOT A ONE RUSSIAN POLICEMEN HAS CAME OFF THE POLICE JOB BECAUSE WHAT IS GOING ON

I am too bloody tired for now to write more... but i'll keep writing tomorrow or something.. ask me questions, please do, but i'm telling ya... this is some weird sh*t going on.. and DO NOT BELIEVE MEDIA about what is going on.

And you december, you were not here, you DO NOT KNOW what is going on, so please, dont act like you DO know what is going on. If you want any more specific information about things that are happening here email me at toivokimmel@yahoo.com


Peace&love

[december]

Russian delegation lays wreath at WWII memorial in Tallinn

09/ 05/ 2007

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TALLINN, May 9 (RIA Novosti) - A delegation from the Russian Embassy in Estonia has laid a wreath at the Bronze Soldier Soviet-era monument and the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Tallinn.

Wreaths were also laid by Estonian WWII veteran organizations.

The Soviet-era World War II monument was removed from central Tallinn to a military cemetery two weeks ago.

The monument's relocation sparked a wave of protests, both in Moscow and Tallinn.

Protests in Tallinn, mostly by ethnic Russians, left one Russian dead and hundreds under arrest. Moscow said the protests were "a natural reaction" and accused Estonian police of human rights violations.

Estonia, an EU and NATO member since 2004, said it had been forced to close its consulate and evacuate diplomats' families from the capital accusing Moscow of dragging its feet in curbing the unrest and, even of, orchestrating it.

The EU and NATO formally backed Estonia. They demanded Moscow comply with the Vienna Convention and said the Baltic state was within its rights to move the monument, known as the Bronze Soldier.

The Bronze Soldier and other Soviet-era monuments have been a source of diplomatic tensions between Moscow and Tallinn for years. They have also provoked clashes between the Russian-speaking minority and Estonian radicals, who view them as symbols of Soviet occupation that began in 1940 and ended when the Baltic state regained its independence in 1991.

Relations between Russia and Estonia hit their lowest after Estonian authorities dismantled the monument ahead of Victory Day, which is marked May 9 in Russia, saying it was a reminder of 50 years of Soviet occupation. The monument is dear to Russians as a symbol of victory over the Nazis.

President Vladimir Putin congratulated the people of Russia earlier Wednesday on the 62nd anniversary of victory against Nazi Germany in a speech at a military parade in Moscow.

"We bow our heads to the courage and fortitude of all those who crushed the aggressor and stopped Nazism," he said.

He said Victory Day is the dearest holiday not only for the Russian citizens but also for the people of the former Soviet Union, the countries of Europe and the entire planet.

Putin cautioned against any attempts to obliterate the memory of those who died in the Great Patriotic War and desecrate monuments to war heroes.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Monday accused the European Union and NATO of conniving with countries that disrespect the memory of Soviet soldiers and seek to rewrite history.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070509/65157720.html

Russian Embassy in Tallinn, Estonia

Address: 19, Pikk st., Tallinn, 10133, Estonia
Phone: +372 6464175, 6464169
Telex: (64) 173511 РУСЬ
Fax: +372 646-41-78
E-mail: vensaat@online.ee

Consular department:
Address: 18, Lay st., Tallinn, 10133, Estonia
Phone: +372 646-4166
Telex: 537173511
Fax: +372 646-4130
E-mail: konsotd@hot.ee
http://tallinn.rusembassy.org/index.html




Estonia Immortalizes Nazi Criminals

Wednesday, July 7 2004

The decision to erect the monument was made publicly known during the 12th annual parade held by former Estonian SS soldiers....
http://www.fjc.ru/news/newsArticle.asp?AID=148323


20th Waffen-Grenadier Division der SS Estonia

http://www.epier.com/store/outpostflags/ItemImages/PICT65933.jpg


http://www.epier.com/store/outpostflags/viewitem.asp?id=48623

WWII. SS at work.

http://z.about.com/d/history1900s/1/0/d/8/einsatz7.jpg


http://www.strike-the-root.com/3/herman/ss.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/75/Einsatzgruppen_Killing.jpg/250px-Einsatzgruppen_Killing.jpg

The Estonian national flag -

http://www.ivvolympiad.ee/pildid/lipp.jpg

http://www.ibrrc.org/images/Estonia06/estonia_map.gif

[freedom fighter]

December!!!! I AM ASKING YOU AGAIN! WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT IT? NOTHING BUT THE THINGS MEDIA IS TELLING YOU! YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON! WHY CANT YOU JUST LEAVE IT ALONE!?... are you having fun helping russia with their propaganda!?

[jaanus]

It makes me really sad to read through all these misbeliefs December has posted, he has absolutely no clue what he is talking about :(

I am estonian myself, however my wife is ethnic russian, so I'm familiar with what is being told in estonian media and she is familiar with what is being told in russian. I can tell you from my personal experience that they are 100% different. Neither one should be fully trusted so I'll just tell you what I have heard from my wife after she has been talking to her colleagues and clients (mostly russians) and after I have been investigating through my interactions with different people and my eyes of course :)

Facts I have not taken out from history books nor media:

praise our grandparents :)

Estonians fought on both sides in the WW2 because we were at first occupied by germans who drafted our men before the russians came and took their share. If you were cought trying to escape or evade from military service you were executed, there was no voluntary draft nor was there a military police.

Even if our grandfathers joined nazis because they thought Hitler had a cool moustache or whatever reason, would that make me a nazi?

Most of the Russian soldiers who came to "liberate" Estonia really thought they were doing the right thing. After 50 years of oppression many still do. Also many believe that things would have been lot worse if nazis would have won. I must agree.

50 years in Soviet Union made lots of horrible things to us. Our population has been about 1.3 - 1.5 mil throughout this time and 30000 people who were transported (not to mention ones who died in war) into siberia is about 2.2% of our population. If you are an American imagine that 3 million americans were transported to siberia (including you relatives) by Soviet Union who dare to call themselves our liberators. Now how do you feel? Do you feel this day should be celebrated as the day when your country was freed? Imagine you are being called nazi by some ignorant foreigner, when you don't want to celebrate that day or when your government decides to relocate the symbol of that day to a slightly different place.

I, personally, don't care about this symbol, symbol is just symbol, it is not mine, it doesn't represent anything I hold dear to or I believe in. If some old russian veterans have the need to wave USSR flag on that day and drinking vodka there, fine by me and most estonians share this view and there were actually very few estonians who demanded removing this symbol and there is very little sense, if at all, moving this statue to another place. It makes perfect sense if you realize that government had planned it all along and read the recent news.

Some headlines after or during the riots:

1700+ applications for becoming a law enforcement in just a couple of days which is a huge (police state anyone?)

New passports with biometric data.

Some other things I know not from media:

There was a tent before they started to dig and transport the statue so no tourist could have seen what was going on.

The police didn't use excessive force, many policemen were injured aswell.
Most injuries occurred when people made their way through glass in order to steal things.

Most rioters were russians aged 16-30 (no veterans there) who even didn't have any banners, which means they were only there to gain personal profit from stealing and I suppose it was fun for them.

Sorry about the long list but I just had to get this off my chest.

[jaanus]

So again December, why do you feel you have to promote russian propaganda, if you really were a tourist in our country, didn't you like your visit, did some estonian fellow forgot to say hello or smile at you?

Is there any reason at all you hate us so much?

Why do you want someone took action?

Do you want Russia invade us?

Are you sure you have chosen the right audience to promote your lies?

[marcus_]

By the way, EXCLUSIVE of the Ukrainian famine in 1932-33, the numbered of "kulaks," or better-off peasants (and their families) murdered by Stalin numbered about 6.5 million - somewhat more than the number of Jews murdered by Hitler.


"Dekulakization" was truly the crime of the century - for not only did it exterminate on a Hitlerian scale, but it also largely escaped the world's attention then and since. The mass deportations of kulak families preceded forced collectivization - it was apparently directed at "decapitating" peasant communities of any leaders who might organize resistance to Stalin's policies. "Kulaks," incidentally, were often very poor - an extra cow or a careless word spoken to a Party member were easy ways to earn this deadly label. While Soviet sources long denied the Ukrainian famine, they have always admitted that entire kulak families were "liquidated" on a large scale. See Robert Conquest, The Harvest of Sorrow: Soviet Collectivization and the Terror-Famine.


Homo Sovieticus is like the prostitute who believes that all women are whores because she is. Soviet man believes that the whole world is divided into parties and that every man is a member of one party or another, and that there is no real honesty. No one stands for the truth. And if anyone says he is above Party and is trying to speak the truth alone, he is lying.
--Andrei Sakharov

[jaanus]

If our government decides to move the symbol of soviet oppression by soviet criminals we are praising nazi criminals? This is ridiculous. Let me give you an example:

You see a woman you have never seen before in the street and ask her: "do you love me?". Most probably she will reply: "No" or just ignore you at best. Now you start accusing her for hating you and asking for attention by other people for your misbelief. She never said she hated you, we never said nazis did the right thing. Now if you are really sick you would say "someone has to rape this woman for what she said" or "russians should invade estonia" for that matter.

[tsaar]

Dear December!

I urge you to read David Icke`s books or see his videos. I know that it is stupid of me to assume that people in this forum are intelligent and maybe know that not everything that is sayd in media is true. December is a perfect example of a robot that David Icke is talking about - you believe everything in media and dont`t do your own researce. You have no desire to know what is really going on. You only want to hate someone. I feel sorry for you. You have no idea of what is really going on and actually you are a victim. You are a victim of your own stupidness. But being stupid does not excuse you. I hope that someday you will start to think for yourself.

[december]

Russian Embassy in Tallinn, Estonia

Address: 19, Pikk st., Tallinn, 10133, Estonia
Phone: +372 6464175, 6464169
Telex: (64) 173511 РУСЬ
Fax: +372 646-41-78
E-mail: vensaat@online.ee

Consular department:
Address: 18, Lay st., Tallinn, 10133, Estonia
Phone: +372 646-4166
Telex: 537173511
Fax: +372 646-4130
E-mail: konsotd@hot.ee
http://tallinn.rusembassy.org/index.html

http://www.ibrrc.org/images/Estonia06/estonia_map.gif


16 February 2000

President Lennart Meri signed a order to grant the highest national honours to individuals who contributed to restoring the independence of the Estonian Republic, the consolidation of Estonian society, the fortification of common democratic values and a European cultural climate, including 19 Estonian freedom fighters who fought for fascist Germany.

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Lennart Meri

Estonia is rehabilitating an SS rottenfuher who participated in the excecution of hostages.

For ten years, the justice system in the Republic of Estonia has been acquitting Estonian legionaries who were members of punishing missions against civilian populations and were executioners, whilst representing them as heroes. A characteristic example is a letter from the Estonian Department of Internal Affairs to the Pskov Region Federal Security Services (FSB): We request that you make a note in the archive criminal case NN-12457 to the effect that, according to article 64-a of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic Criminal Code, Artur-Johannes Mihkel Pupart, born in 1924, in accordance with Part 1 article 2 of Estonian Republic legislation on rehabilitation of persons extrajudically repressed or illegally condemned, has been rehabilitated. Sincerely, Ivar Teaer, Director of the Information and Analysis Bureau of the ER Police Department.

We must note that A. Pupart was an executioner. He was an SS Rottenfuhrer of the Estonian police battalion who established a new order in Pskov region, was also illegally condemned and has been rehabilitated. He and six of his accomplices stood trial where the crimes were committed, in Pskov, as the law requires. He confessed that in 1942 he participated in the executions of 49 hostages, including women and young children. The court took into account his disability and sentenced him to 15 years imprisonment, as different to his accomplices.

Estonians in SS uniforms fought for national interests, said the former president of modern-day Estonia L. Meri, as he welcomed the international rally of former SS members in Estonia.



Estonia Immortalizes Nazi Criminals

Wednesday, July 7 2004

The decision to erect the monument was made publicly known during the 12th annual parade held by former Estonian SS soldiers....
http://www.fjc.ru/news/newsArticle.asp?AID=148323


20th Waffen-Grenadier Division der SS Estonia

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WWII. SS at work.

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http://www.strike-the-root.com/3/herman/ss.jpg


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The Estonian national flag -

http://www.ivvolympiad.ee/pildid/lipp.jpg

[december]

Neo-Nazi from U.S. settles in Estonia

TALLINN. Nov 5 (Interfax) - An active U.S. advocate of Nazism, Craig Cobb, 55, has settled in Estonia and is forming a group of like- minded people.


Cobb preached supremacy of the white race in the United States and would often turn up with a tape recorder at various venues each time emotions would run high, the weekly Eesti Ekspress writes.

The newspaper also writes that Cobb has been residing in Estonia for about a year and is happy about his new home. He bought a villa 50 kilometers from Tallinn and is in a flurry of activity to find like- minded people, it said.

Not long ago, the U.S. Nazi posted his 30-minute interview with former employee of the Estonian Justice Ministry Raigo Solg, whom he introduced as a leader of Estonian Nazis. Solg currently hosts radical programs on private Nomme Raadio.

This woman found herself in the limelight after a parade marking Estonia's independence in February, when a photo showing Solg wearing swastika earrings and the uniform of the Kaitseliit voluntary paramilitary organization, was reprinted by mass media in many countries.

In the United States Cobb found himself in the Federal Bureau of Investigation's field of vision in connection with the murder of federal judge Joan Lefkow's husband and mother in Chicago in February 2005. The murderer used his trademark killing method, firing shots in the victims' chests and heads. It was the first instance of a federal judge's relatives falling victim to racists.

Estonia's security police and the FBI officer in the U.S. embassy in Estonia said in response to the newspaper's inquiry that they were in no position to comment on the Nazi's activities. Security police also said that no criminal or administrative action had been started against Cobb.

http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=11616905

[december]

2004.

Estonia (an EU member) to erects Nazi monuments!!!


Estonia, otro país báltico, ha construido un monumento a la memoria de los nazis

http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/jpg/es-nazi3901.jpg

http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/jpg/es-nazi3902.jpg

Todo está listo en Estonia para la inauguración del monumento en memoria de los SS nazis

http://www.voltairenet.org/article124302.html

The Estonian national flag -

http://worldheritage.heindorffhus.dk/estonia-ee1991-flag-large.jpg

http://www.ivvolympiad.ee/pildid/lipp.jpg

______________________________________________

1941 -1944.

ARCHIVE EXTRACTION FROM THE OFFICE OF PUBLIC PROSECUTOR

THE ESTONIAN SSR



Report on examination of Kloog Concentration Camp in Khariu uyezd, Keyl volostÒ, made by Office of Public Prosecutor of the Estonian SSR dated September 29, 1944.


Examination was held by:


Eguy, Prosecutor of Investigating Department of the Public ProsecutorÒs Office of the Estonian SSR, 2nd class jurist, in the presence Vasiliev, Prosecutor of the Public ProsecutorÒs Office of the Estonian SSR.



Witnesses:

Tirus and Raus

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In the living space of the ground floor of the building, in front of the door as well as in the first and the second gangways between the plank beds there are corpses of men and women. The corpses are lying face-down in two or three rows along the gangway. Heads of the upper corpses are in the centers of the lower ones, their feet to the doors.



200 meters from the Camp north from the railway nearby the ditch there is a basement of a burnt building. The date Ó21.07.1944Ô is carved out on the corner of the basement. The basement is 45 cm high. On the fire site in the ash there are plenty of burnt skulls, vertebras, bones and other remains of the corpses. Part of the corpses is burned down entirely so that it is impossible to define the exact number of bodies. Only 133 burnt corpses can be singled out, i.e. 13-15% of the total number.

On the southern side of the building, outside the basement, there are bodies of two women. One is lying with her burnt head another her burnt legs directed to the basement.

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[december]

A German father and son describe their moments of horror in the custody of the Tallinn police.

Iltalehti (Finland) 01 May 2007

Brutal measures

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The 65-year-old Klaus Dornemann was beaten violently with black jacks in his sides and hands. Lucas Dornemann lost sensation in his fingers for a few days and different parts of his body are still hurting.

- That beating was quite incomprehensible. The policemen were beating those apprehended with black jacks like crazy. There was no logic, they were just having fun and getting a kick out of beating up people, German Lucas Dornemann, 37, and Klaus Dornemann, 67, reminisce about last Friday night.

The father and son, who have been living in Tallinn for a long time, were walking in the port area at 8 PM Friday night, when the police suddenly grabbed them on the street.

- We were going home and we were trying to tell that to the policemen, but they were not listening. There was no-one around us, and there were no riots or fights going on. The men were handcuffed and transported into a big, dirty warehouse in the port area. There were already more than a hundred arrested persons, most of whom were Russian men.

- There were also many old and sick persons, because they must have been the easiest to catch. Less than a half of the whole group were real rioters. Most of them had been captured on the street without any explanation or reason. The people were very afraid. Lucas was held in custody for eight hours while his 65-year-old father Klaus was in custody for more than ten hours.

- Not once were we allowed to go to the toilet at night nor were we given anything to drink. I tried to smoke but got beaten for that. There we were sitting through the night with 200 other people but we were not allowed to talk to anyone or to move. If somebody tried to get up, he was kicked back to the ground. More than 40 policemen kept wandering around in the building to keep an eye on us, Lucas says. More than 800 people were arrested in Tallinn over the weekend.

TIIA RANTALAINEN


http://bronze-soldier.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=250&Itemid=48

Violence of police in Tallinn. Photos...

http://bronze-soldier.com/gallery/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=216

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[december]

Estonia issue to be raised at Russia-EU summit - Kremlin source

http://english.pravda.ru/img/idb/bronze-soldier.jpg

13/ 05/ 2007

MOSCOW, May 13 (RIA Novosti) - The issue of a Soviet WWII memorial in Estonia will be raised at a Russia-EU summit but closer cooperation between Russia and the European Union will top the summit's agenda, a Kremlin source said Sunday.

The decision by Estonia, an EU member since 2004, to remove the Bronze Soldier monument from the center of Tallinn to a cemetery on the outskirts and exhume the remains of the soldiers buried underneath sparked violent protests from the ex-Soviet Baltic republic's ethnic Russian community. One person was killed and several dozen injured in clashes with police on April 27.

"This is a politicized issue and it will have its place at the summit," the source said.

The summit, to be held in the Volga city of Samara May 17-18, is expected to focus on advances towards a visa-free regime and in international affairs, and broaden the Russia-EU contractual framework, the source said.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070513/65395642.html


Russia regrets NATO, EU connivance at attempts to rewrite history

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070507/65008645.html

[december]

St. Petersburg-Tallinn rail link will go on - Russian Railways

12/ 05/ 2007

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ST. PETERSBURG, May 12 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian Railways president has dismissed reports that the new St. Petersburg-Tallinn rail link will be canceled as unprofitable.

Following a diplomatic spat with Estonia over a Soviet monument removal in late April, the Russian state railway monopoly said May 8 that the rail service from St. Petersburg to Tallinn, Estonia, would be canceled from May 26.

"We are repairing the railroad at the moment, and Estonians did the same last year," Vladimir Yakunin said after a conference with St. Petersburg Governor Valentina Matviyenko, who had expressed concerns about the reported cancellation during negotiations with the Estonian foreign minister Saturday.

Estonian and Russian railway authorities put the rail link into operation from March 31.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070512/65379941.html

[bigus_dickus]

Is there any reason at all you hate us so much?

don't mind him. he is a russian with an agenda and all he does on forums is propaganda.

admins: if you are going to continue to permit spamming and political propaganda, i'd like an ignore button please.

[december]

don't mind him. he is a russian with an agenda and all he does on forums is propaganda.

admins: if you are going to continue to permit spamming and political propaganda, i'd like an ignore button please.

OK. So, it is OK what's going on in Estonia and you support Nazi movement. Right?

US supports Estonia too by the way.

[jaanus]

OK. So, it is OK what's going on in Estonia and you support Nazi movement. Right?

US supports Estonia too by the way.

No we support WAR over PEACE just like you do.

Your sick propaganda is not limited only by Estonia. There are several threads started by you with ideas like "It's time for China and Russia to invade USA". "Russia/USA release new submarines", which ultimately brings us closer to your sick dream of World War 3. Also threads like "Earth is not hollow" - Yeah well, I guess its true because theres a flag in official north pole and those few people who have been there say that flag was not in a hole. Then "Why Icke started to speak out?" - if you are as "sleep" (read dumb and sick) as you are, then this question is justified.

Enough said. I feel truly sorry for you, people like you and for those who take you seriously.

PS. Ignore button would be great, its tedious to scroll through all this shit in order to find something that matters.

[december]

Estonian ambassador returns to Moscow amid diplomatic row

20:32 | 16/ 05/ 2007

TALLINN, May 16 (RIA Novosti) - Estonia's ambassador to Russia returned to Moscow Wednesday having left the country two weeks ago at the height of a diplomatic dispute, during which the Estonian Embassy in Moscow was besieged by protesters.

The Estonian Foreign Ministry said Marina Kaljurand has resumed normal duties after what was officially described as a holiday.

Relations between Russia and Estonia, a European Union member since 2004, hit a new low-point after Estonian authorities dismantled a Soviet-era war monument and disinterred the remains of soldiers ahead of Victory Day, which is marked on May 9 in Russia.

The Estonian government considered the Bronze Soldier monument a reminder of 50 years of Soviet occupation. The move sparked furious protests in Tallinn from ethnic Russians, who considered the statue an important symbol of victory over the Nazis.

Russian youth movements besieged the Estonian Embassy in Moscow following Estonia's actions. The embassy later suspended work for security reasons, and the siege was stopped after Kaljurand left the country.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20070516/65597933.html


Estonia (an EU member) to erects Nazi monuments -


Estonia, otro país báltico, ha construido un monumento a la memoria de los nazis

http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/jpg/es-nazi3901.jpg

Todo está listo en Estonia para la inauguración del monumento en memoria de los SS nazis

http://www.voltairenet.org/article124302.html

The Nazis and their actions in the occupied part of the Soviet Union.
1941 - 1944.

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_____________________________

The Estonian national flag -

http://worldheritage.heindorffhus.dk/estonia-ee1991-flag-large.jpg

http://www.ivvolympiad.ee/pildid/lipp.jpg

Estonian officials determined to dishonor Soviet soldiers, who liberated Estonia of fascism.

The Estonian government has finally determined its attitude to the celebration of the 60th anniversary of Victory over Nazism. Estonia, a former republic of the Soviet Union, decided to mark the significant date in its own style. The monument to the warriors, who fell for freedom of Estonia will be unveiled in Tallinn, the capital of Estonia, on May 8th. In other words, the Estonian authorities intend to erect the monument to Wermaht soldiers and the 20th SS division. To crown it all, the monument is to be unveiled near the Memorial Complex to Soviet soldiers.

There is no point in exposing the blatant intention of the Estonian government: it is extremely hard to comprehend the fact of unveiling the monument to Nazi soldiers during the celebration of Victory in WWII. It is not clear, however, why the government of Estonia made such an odious decision. They probably wanted to emphasize the national freedom and independence of Estonia, although it looked like the country has lost its mind and reason. It is worth mentioning that the monument was to be unveiled last summer, although the authorities decided to wait for another year.
The monument represents a map of Estonia, on which the sites of major battles are marked. There are also 16 little boards, which carry the names of Hitler's Wermaht units. The Estonian Prime Minister, Andrus Ansi will participate in the opening ceremony. Furthermore, spokespeople for the Estonian government are not going to honor monuments to “foreign troops” nearby.
The President of Estonia, Arnold Ruutel, refused to take part in the opening ceremony. In addition, the president decided not to go to Moscow for festive celebrations either. However, Mr. Ruutel will not be left without a holiday: the Estonian president will take part in Mother's Day undertakings.

It would be unfair not to say that members of the Estonian government are going to lay wreaths to the monument of Holocaust victims the same day as well. The situation looks absurd indeed: the prime minister of the country opens a monument to Nazis, while members of his government lay wreaths and flowers to the monument of victims of Nazism.

Rene van der Linden, the chairman of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe has recently stated that the Council of Europe was ready to take active measures to confront revanchism in Baltic states. The official said that the Council of Europe would have to take appropriate actions in the event former SS soldiers become more active in the Baltic region. “The Council of Europe is not going to tolerate manifestations of totalitarianism of any form,” the official stated.

[timestop24]

December, you forgot this one:


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41387000/jpg/_41387059_416redyouth-afp.jpg

:rolleyes:

[timestop24]

And I can't wait to be honored with a beating by these fine upstanding Russian stormtroopers...

http://img.rian.ru/images/6528/02/65280286.jpg


See, I can post nationalistic bullshit drivel like our dear old comrade Decemborat too! :D

[december]

December, you forgot this one:


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41387000/jpg/_41387059_416redyouth-afp.jpg

:rolleyes:

Can you tell me who is on this picture?
And what does it mean?

I see red flags with some Satanic stars... And?...
Is he a member of Communist party? Or... What is it?

And also WHY did you decide to use an Illuminati web-site bbc.co.uk to make your point?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41387000/jpg/_41387059_416redyouth-afp.jpg

And what is your point anyway?....

[tinmenace]

The Pentagram is NOT necessarily Satanic.

[timestop24]

Can you tell me who is on this picture?
And what does it mean?

I see red flags with some Satanic stars... And?...
Is he a member of Communist party? Or... What is it?

And also WHY did you decide to use an Illuminati web-site bbc.co.uk to make your point?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41387000/jpg/_41387059_416redyouth-afp.jpg

And what is your point anyway?....


I thought you would figure it out dear old comrade...you'd recognize your own countrymen, right?

Anyway, the caption from the pic reads:

The leftist Red Youth Avant-garde (AKM) stages an anti-government rally in Moscow. Mr Putin warned that neo-Nazis and other nationalist extremists must not be tolerated.


My point is you don't need to look further than your backyard for nazis and other extremists. Should I post the bit from Moscow News again to refresh your memory?;)

[jaanus]

My point is you don't need to look further than your backyard for nazis and other extremists. Should I post the bit from Moscow News again to refresh your memory?;)

Busted...

[december]

My point is you don't need to look further than your backyard for nazis and other extremists. Should I post the bit from Moscow News again to refresh your memory?...

But we discussed that article from the Moscow News already.
Remember?

[december]

The monument of the Soviet Soldier in downtown Vienna

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Tomorrow, President Vladimir Putin will start an official visit to Austria. The general atmosphere of the visit is rather tense after Russia and the European Union lashed out at each other at the Samara summit.

...

This is routine practice during official visits, all the more so since there is nothing to add and the guests would like the visit to have a different atmosphere. Putin will lay wreaths to the monument of the Soviet Soldier in downtown Vienna. This will be the visit's highlight. I have been to Vienna many times and I know that this monument enjoys respect in Austria. It is not even possible to imagine Austrians behaving like Estonians did recently. They remember well that the Soviet soldier freed them from Nazism. Austria was Europe's first state to lose its independence when Hitler enforced the Anschluss. When Vladimir Putin bows to the monument, Austrian officials will follow suit - not simply because of protocol or out of respect but in gratitude to the warriors who routed Nazism.

...

Postwar Austria has always been loyal to Russia owing to its official neutrality and very close cultural and economic links with Moscow. Vienna has always made good use of its location in the heart of Europe, particularly in dealing with electricity and gas supplies. Virtually every other Austrian family uses Siberian gas to make its morning coffee. Moreover, Austria is the first European country to sign an agreement on gas supplies with Gazprom until 2027. It is not afraid of energy dependence on Moscow.

...

On the eve of the Russian president's visit, Austrian business community publicly expressed its positive attitude towards Russia. Mr Leitl said: "Austria knows the Russian soul and has a high opinion of Russia and its people. Russia and Austria are linked by mutual liking and mutual interests in the economy, culture and tourism."
Well, let's make an allowance for a natural desire of businessmen to keep good relations with their partners. But it would be no exaggeration to say that these relations are based on deep respect for the graves and monuments to Soviet soldiers, traditional Austrian hospitality towards Russian tourists and esteem for the great nation. Vladimir Putin is in for a hearty welcome in Austria.

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070522/65919005.html