Physicist Nassim Haramein-

[jayelowell]

AWWW! i feel so enlightened!
i was on another forum and bam i came across this...
-please brace yourself-
the tetrahedron grid even exist in us!

[jayelowell]

OMG i feel so strong, so energentic, so full of love, so infinite!
this man truly has answers! leave all the negative behind! forget about the illumaniti! we have already become aware of what this universe truly is!

[jayelowell]

i'll just link you to the truth
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1895475242307393956&hl=en

[jayelowell]

bump

[pedsi]

hi jayelowell I am a great admirer of Harameins work and have purchased his DVD set which is amazing and has many gems of information.There has been a thread or two about him on here before but they never received much attention as far as I remember,and when you look at the content of a lot of the threads on here lately,you can see why!
Go over to http://www.redicecreations.comthere's a really good interview with Nassim,although you'll have to register to hear the 2nd part.
Just click on the radio interviews tab :)

[jayelowell]

thnx for the link!!! i really cant figure out why this thread hasn't received the attention it deserves! i thought it would have been a great topic!
the tetrahedron grid explains so much!

[mahabaratara]

the tetrahedron grid explains so much!

Please elaborate...:)

[jayelowell]

tetrahedron= infitniti
please watch the video!

[jayelowell]

Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth.-Gandi

why is this being ignored???

[galactic_stargazer]

Someone please explain just how on earth you can trust a 'Physicist' who doesn't know about comets?

Anyone?

[jayelowell]

Someone please explain just how on earth you can trust a 'Physicist' who doesn't know about comets?

Anyone?trust ME!!! watch the videos if you feel like what he saying is wrong then it wont effect you in any way

[zen_fox]

His study into fractuals is amazing. I've heard of them before but he is the first person to accurately convey the concept. I would like to support this type of work and study. If correct, it helps to explain the concept of singularity as well as many esoteric beliefs.

If the beginning is the end and the end the beginning then much of current thought would need to adapt to this idea. I don't think he's the best at conveying the message. I would like to see this put into an easier to digest format.

The universe in a single atom as both the beginning and end. The Big Bang was the end and the beginning. The idea of infinitely small is not something I have worked with myself. Other ideas such as "As above, so below," are given much evidence by fractals, as well as oneness and possibly reincarnation but none of them in the literal sense that religions have pushed. To search within would be a search of the universe. To change within would be to change without.

"To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour." -William Blake


I am surprised as well that it hasn't received a more outstanding reception. It could be the length of the film or the poor quality. The information is important though.

[jayelowell]

explains alot- when you can see inward as far as you can see outward
http://www.newciv.org/Synergetic_Geometry/64cell2.GIF

[jayelowell]

maybe a shorter video will help
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4907540922643918266

[galactic_stargazer]

trust ME!!! watch the videos if you feel like what he saying is wrong then it wont effect you in any way

I'll watch them and see what he has to say.

[lemonique]

Thanks Jayelowell!!! Just watched the 1st video , fantastic. Reached the 'cap' so will watch the 2nd video after paying the bill :)

His theories make a lot of sense !! and enables me to connect the dots.


Lemonique

[jayelowell]

glad it helped!

[danster82]

Thanks for the information

For me I know what hes saying is true but in all honesty I cannot grasp it which is frustrating. Dont get me wrong I grasp some of it like the 3dimensoinal fractal that can go out for infinity and in for infinity which is obviously the geometric structure of creation, but I cant grasp the beef of what hes saying in an "aha" type of way that allows you to make real changes to the way you live.

[cruise4]

"I am surprised as well that it hasn't received a more outstanding reception."

It's been posted months ago so most have seen and probably commented already. It is interesting stuff though.

[hunger]

AWWW! i feel so enlightened!
i was on another forum and bam i came across this...
-please brace yourself-
the tetrahedron grid even exist in us!

Thanks Jaylowell for introducing me to this! I watched part 1 on google 4 hours! Truly mind blowing stuff!

Ok, Part 2 now! :)

[pedsi]

Anyone who finds Nassims work inspiring,I suggest should allso read the two books by Itzhak Bentov if they haven't already.I am currently reading "Stalking the wild pendulum" again after discovering Nassims work and find it remarkable the simillarities in both their theories describing the nature of our reality and the structure of the universe.
Marko Rodins work allso seems to fit exactly into this model, allbeit from a more mathmatical perspective,his videos are available to watch on you tube.

Truely awe inspiring stuff,I beleive these people are true geniuses in every sense of the word!

[jayelowell]

Haramein speaks in a way that is so easy to understand...
please share this information with everyone you think is ready for it!


i love being able to be experiencing life at this point...
"I FEEL LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE ARE WAKING UP TO!"
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l280/kachina2012/sgvitruvian2.jpg

[jayelowell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwUOHGug7O4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDH7vZuAlRY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey7xfpSMi8M&feature=related

follow the path i've showed you
http://theresonanceproject.org/research.html

[jayelowell]

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=ResonanceEmissary

[zen_fox]

What's interesting is that I watched this video and then found the quote for my signature. Then I watched the Alex Coliers video where he said ETs told him that the big breakthroughs in consciousness will come about as a result of science and archeology, not through some spiritual leader.

Think of how much the consciousness of the people would change if some finding unearthed hard evidence that Atlantis not only existed but was more advanced then our own society.

[jayelowell]

the thing is ppl have a hard time meshing spirituallity with science!

[jayelowell]

i really can't understand why this is still being ignored!!! this information should be calling any one looking to be awakened or the awakened looking for what is the next step!

[pedsi]

i really can't understand why this is still being ignored!!! this information should be calling any one looking to be awakened or the awakened looking for what is the next step!

As the saying goes "You can lead a horse to water,but you can't make it drink"
So true..:(

[jayelowell]

As the saying goes "You can lead a horse to water,but you can't make it drink"
So true..:(:D:rolleyes::D

[kblood]

i really can't understand why this is still being ignored!!! this information should be calling any one looking to be awakened or the awakened looking for what is the next step!

Omg, part 2 :) I have seen part 1 but couldnt find part 2, so I will download part 2 as well. Already in the beginning he makes something more make sense in a simple way. David Icke endorsed the concept of a hollow planet, claiming he did so because people he trust say that our planet is hollow. That we have an inner and outer Earth. There was recently a great post revealing an article about the hollow Earth. About how a guy claims to have been inside the hollow Earth because he was hired by the government by the military or something like that. That all planets are hollow and so on.

Nassim agrees with this, and makes the connections to atoms. They are mostly empty space as well, and they have a outer shell, and an inner energy field. This is what Hollow Earth theory claims that our planet has as well. Nassim says all planets and suns are black holes, to a lesser extent than what science has classified as black holes, making the gravitational pull lesser.

About why it isnt supported by many, well most scientists are scared to go against mainstream science, because they risk not being acknowledged, and also it seems we arent supposed to know it as spot on as Nassim might be putting it. Why other people doesnt comment on it, I think its the 4-8 hour length. Really worth it though, imo.

[jayelowell]

maybe a shorter video will help
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4907540922643918266

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwUOHGug7O4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDH7vZuAlRY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey7xfpSMi8M&feature=related

follow the path i've showed you
http://theresonanceproject.org/research.html

i took the shorther path & it only led me to the longer one!!!

[_invisibleplane_]

I just wanted to say I took the time to start watching it and it is very interesting. I had a lot of these intuitive feelings that he describes in the beginning too, then again I'm sure we all did before the indoctrination process began...

most recently, I took an astronomy course over the summer. as interesting as it was, it just wasn't wholesome in any way, and at the end of every theory or explanation it would consist of...'however, none of this has been proven'

the concept of infinity existing within a finite point is fascinating..simple yet complex..

I like the the point he makes about wasting billlions and billions on projects such as the LHC, as when there are infinitely small scales to explore, we would have to continaully invent new technology to explore smaller scales of matter...but really all that is needed is an understanding of the greater universal pattern/principle that is applied on all scales of the universe


Thank you for posting this..3 hours to go !

[jayelowell]

Thank you for posting this..3 hours to go !5hrs well spent!:D

[agelnessdotcom]

AWWW! i feel so enlightened!
i was on another forum and bam i came across this...
-please brace yourself-
the tetrahedron grid even exist in us!

Check out expansions.com as well... Those guys know this stuff and so much more...

[jayelowell]

i will look into it...
thank you

[tejas]

Will check them out late, over 8 hours tho!

Would be oood if you gave a summary?

[jayelowell]

Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library

In these videos, Nassim believes everything boils down to a tetrahedron and the singularity. Personally, I never felt comfortable with religion until Nassim explained it. Now, it all makes sense and I find it absolutely fascinating!

The video is 8 hours long but isn't that time well spent to find out the truth? You'll look at meditation from a whole new angle after watching this video. I'm so grateful that I watched this because it seems many of my questions have been answered. (I can't think of any unanswered right now!)

Please find the time to watch this video, even if it's just an hour at a time. It'll be the best time you ever invested into anything! - maya2010

[kblood]

Will check them out late, over 8 hours tho!

Would be oood if you gave a summary?

Not possible, since there is too much info and its hard to explain without the visuals. He goes into alot of physics and how things work together on a macro and micro scale and their similarities. He also goes into crop circles and what they might mean, and how they support his theories. Lots of stuff about how fractals is in everything. Flowers are a especially good and clear example of fractals in nature, and how the basics of it fits together.

You can take a flower and split it into four similar parts or split it into eight or sixteen and they will still be similar, proving only a small part of it can make up the whole. When it comes to designing 3D graphics this is very important since it can simplify the process alot. So much less needs to be made for the whole to be complete.

[jayelowell]

Not possible, since there is too much info and its hard to explain without the visuals. He goes into alot of physics and how things work together on a macro and micro scale and their similarities. He also goes into crop circles and what they might mean, and how they support his theories. Lots of stuff about how fractals is in everything. Flowers are a especially good and clear example of fractals in nature, and how the basics of it fits together.

You can take a flower and split it into four similar parts or split it into eight or sixteen and they will still be similar, proving only a small part of it can make up the whole. When it comes to designing 3D graphics this is very important since it can simplify the process alot. So much less needs to be made for the whole to be complete.:Dthnx

[thenightmare]

Sounds very interesting, will try and watch these videos tomorrow.
Thanks for placing the link to this thread on your signature, otherwise i wouldve probably never found it.
Stuff like this is what makes a person look at life at a different angle.

[jayelowell]

im glad it reached you... welcome to the site!

[deafbred]

eight hours is one day of school



its sick

world at war

and so many things that are going on that humanity is on the brink of achieving and understanding

MEANwhile we are so held back and restrained in so many ways
obsticles and problems that shouldn't even be there
unnatural ones, man made
never mind the natural ones that are more signifigant

good luck universal mind

[jayelowell]

8hrs out of your day! you will still have 16hrs to do whateva it is you do... but these 8hrs will make an impact on the rest of you life
http://www.math.cornell.edu/~numb3rs/blanco/320px-Circle_arc.svg.png

[_invisibleplane_]

just finished. the 8 hours were totally worth it. I am left in awe. It all makes so much sense. the way each ancient culture/religion has the tetrahedron/torus symbolism...

the description of the 19.5ish latitude sunspots/volcanoes as vortex entrances into the central black holes of the sun and earth is one of the most interesting views I've ever had presented to me. I've always felt that space travel involved some sort of wormhole transportation. Also, it offers an explanation as to why the sun gods are associated with the sun, because they used the black hole of the sun to travel to this solar system from another area of the galaxy/universe.

the way the ark of the covenant is explained to be a mini black/white hole creating massive amounts of energy blew my mind. and how this object was seen as godly because its massive energy/gravitational field, along with the way this accounts for religious texts which describe this ark and its various properties. Further, the description of purpose of the giza pyramid and its mysterious shafts is offered in that when the ark was placed in the kings chamber, water was sent through the pipes and was then charged by the energy of the ark, and this special charged water/"holy water" was then used widely in the field of health, and was the foundation of the thriving agriculture at that time

I also found the part about the knights templar/free masons very interesting. The way the knights templar pursued this ark and raided solomons temple trying to find it, and when they eventually gained possession of it from ethiopia (rastafari connection), the vatican went after them. Then the knights templar went to North America, where they could avoid the persecution of the vatican, and proceeded with forming the 'new world' via constitutions. The way freemasons say their religion is very similar to judaism/christianity/islam and connects to ancient egypt also finally made sense. As the same geometrical significance of the ark/god associated with the star of david symbolism is clearly found in the G-compass symbol.

there's just so much to talk about

I really think this is the type of stuff that needs to be further spread, I think it relates very much to to knowledge that is being kept hidden by free masons (infact, masons on this forum really need to comment on this info and attempt to be HONEST, we are all human and are thus equally deserving of any such information). It unites all religions. It opens up a world where infinite energy is possible. It helps explain our true history. It supports the notion of ying yang balance, as both the upwards and downwards facing tetrahedrons must unite to form the 6 pointed star.

thank you again OP!

[kimball13]

looks familar, must have something to do with zero point, mandelbrotset,dodecahedron. markers/warnings/prophecy contained in symbols. emotion, and how it is found everywhere. I will definatly have to watch looks like the kindof stuff i like. Religion+Science+Spitituality=Truth:D

[kimball13]

polarity+duality=infinity

religion+science+spirituality=Truth

Spiritual+Matters=:D

polarity+duality=infinity

[cruise4]

Have you ever considered they use Religion for a cycle... and it eventually breaks down, so they introduce the spiritual... until it breaks down, then they re-introduce religion again etc. and its always just another control mechanism to ensure they remain the controllers.

I'm not saying I believe that... but some of this stuff appears to be traceable back to Baylon and Egypt etc. so who knows.

Is any of this real? Or does it just 'sound' good, as religion did... and its just another faith based load of bollocks.

Maybe in 60,000 years or whatever they will be digging up Gothic Cathedrals and saying ' Look... we've discovered the truth'.

If the transfer doesn't go as planned, it's armageddon and they blow the place up. Move to Mars and start it all again.

[kimball13]

Babel+Babel=comprehension, when spirituality fractured we ended up with science and religion with many shards to collect over time,;)thats realy all i could figure.

[kimball13]

Nassim is hiding something:cool:

[kimball13]

reminds me of what they have you do in english class, try to come up with as many complicated calculatoins to the point that it looks differnt, so he can try to call it his, hmmmmm, and all you did is use more paper. IMHObservation

[linredfern]

As the saying goes "You can lead a horse to water,but you can't make it drink"
So true..:(

I have always been fascinated by fractuals since being introduced to them by a friend of mine. He is a very intelligent individual but typically a horse who won't drink. Some people just don't want to know and dismiss any alternative thinking.

I am watching the videos (so far 1 hour in) and am already enlightened by so much info. Can't wait to see the rest. I visualise an amalgamation of everything I have had an interest in.

Thanks for the introduction to Nassim Haramein

[kimball13]

fractual+movment=Infinity

yep, a fractual is a mandelbrotset, a mandalbrotset is the macro rapded around the micro, each one appearing like a russian puzzle doll set. Every time a fracutual is magnified an exact replica is found, this can go on just like a painting of a room of the same painting, as far in as you go, the same is as far out as you go, so, you see, whether you go far enough inward or outward you are still going to the same truth. Above ,so as below, as below, so as avove, as within, is without,, as is around is around the plolarity+finite+duality=infinity. or P+F+D=I planetary formed durring Intelegence=Creation, im gong to cut it a bit short here because it just begins to reverse showing how this proces is the outline of, and the color, as well as the substance of the mandelbrot set.
Mandelbrotset, a very old mathe equation that was never solved until computer's, to most knowledge, or was it someone telling them were to plugg it in and what they wiilll find.:D gues ill have to read on, and remember as a boy, how i had a teddy monkey, instead of a teddybear, and wanted one as a playmate.;)

[jayelowell]

Welcome To "the Grand Unified Field Theory"
http://www.smeddum.net/images/articles/torus.gif

[_invisibleplane_]

I feel that the math of the vortex/torus by Marko Rodin can be related to understanding the torus structure...both him and Haramein embrace their knowledge of ancient civilization symbolism in their ideas

he also emphasizes the power of 9 in his work, and if we look at some of the numbers mentioned by Haramein...

72/7+2=9 144/1+4+4=9

http://www.virtuescience.com/guest5.GIF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPV_2A9-rEk

[awakensong]

AWWW! i feel so enlightened!
i was on another forum and bam i came across this...
-please brace yourself-
the tetrahedron grid even exist in us!
Why is there no link with this very first post? When I went to the first link posted in one of the other posts, it would not play.

In reading some of the responses, this sounds a lot like what Zecharia Sitchin says in his latest book "The End of Days: Armageddon and the Prophecy of the Return". So, is it all saying that even if we DO learn from history, we are destined to repeat it anyway? Who designed it to be so?

Interesting how Sitchin described and defined the difference between "The Day of the Lord" and "The End of Days". I'm not sure he made his case about the "Return", though. Anyway, not to get off the subject of this thread, what do I watch first about this Haramein theory?

[jayelowell]

wow thnx I-plane!!!! mr.rodin is on to something... there is so much ahead of us!

[jayelowell]

Why is there no link with this very first post?
i posted the link in my 3rd post!



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335&hl=en



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1895475242307393956&hl=en

[kblood]

Rodin and Nassim actually comes from the same place ;) Because of their similarities in their research, I think they might have had someone who inspired both of them. Just a theory though. They do come from the same country though.

[jayelowell]

nassim mentions "in the videos i posted" that he is in the process of making something using this technology... i wonder if he has.

[jayelowell]

Mark Rodin is a genius!!! this is all happening in order!
im am truly thankful to all the members in this forum! i am learning so much & i love it!
this is truly helping me become a more evolved being...

[jayelowell]

i contacted marko rodin in order to attend one of his classes! he replied but unfortunitly i dont have the money for a plane ticket or shelter/food... he iis located on the other side of the country.


i watched his video & he pretty much took what Nassim Haramein explained and added numbers to the geometry!!! truly amazing stuff!!!
http://www.markorodin.com/Symbol_Of_Enlightenment_DH1.gif


http://www.markorodin.com/

[_invisibleplane_]

I too feel this is helping in my evolution/understanding of the bigger picture. What is the most amazing part of this scientific work is that it embraces spiritual philosophy. For example, the 6 pointed star/64 grid tetrahedron requires a balanced combination of the male/yin and female/yang to make the greater structure.

I've been doing further research into religions since watching this, and they all utilize the same core symbolism in which they commonly describe a trinity from which a six-pointed star can be made that represents the personality/power/symbol of god. This is the geometrical power/symbol of god that is layed out in the foundations of the universe. Further, they each describe a higher God above this 'god/geometry of the physical world' which is all encompassing of the universe and beyond.

Hinduism - trinity=vishnu/brahma/siva

note 6 pointed star symbolism/pose in lotus figure and winged figure

http://lh3.google.com/srivastava.sunil/RtNIQcIW_NI/AAAAAAAAAN4/VXT3LLcDc2s/s288/Hindu_Star.bmp.jpg
http://pro.corbis.com/images/CB045054.jpg?size=572&uid=%7B1279E6D5-8A21-439F-A245-FF69524537A9%7D

hindu temple
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/431203368_a192f3fbde.jpg

vishnu - emphasis on lotus figure
http://www.hinduyuva.org/tattva-blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/vishnu-painting.jpg

sri-rangam - emphasis on winged figure
http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/sri-rangam.jpg

sri yantra symbol
http://www.tantra-kundalini.com/images/tantra-sri-yantra.gif

geometrical shape created through a tonoscope when the sound of OM is made(does anyone know the frequency of OM? 144?)
http://www.healingsounds.com/images/ProjectOM/ShriYantTonoscope.jpg


Christianity/Judaism/Islam - father, son, holy ghost
http://shirley-kwan.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/most-holy-trinity.jpg

Buddhism- buddha of the past, present and future
http://k43.pbase.com/u34/cactusklaw/upload/31210255.BuddhistSymbolicTrinity.jpg
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/IMAGES/buddhist-trinity.jpg

More in next post

[_invisibleplane_]

Rastafari - star of david rendition
http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/1/H/2/rdavid.jpg

Knights Templar
http://www.world-mysteries.com/fol_stMagnus.jpg

Masonry
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/codex_magica/images/fcodex_12.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m180/crocodile_04/pentadollar.jpg
http://houbi.no.sapo.pt/pictures/eye.jpg
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/images/0_specialmasonpatches.jpg
http://www.cemeteryprints.com/images/Symbols/Thumbs/FREEMASON-OLCAP4110.jpg

Skull and Bones
http://br.geocities.com/ashrevelations/31_1.jpg

Egypt - trinity
http://www.piney.com/TrinityEgypt.jpg

Mayans - six pointed star within calendar
http://www.stargatefiles.com/Mayan_Calendar.gif

[_invisibleplane_]

Mayan trinity - Tepeu, Gucumatz and Hurakán
http://myweb.cableone.net/subru/graphics/mayan.jpg

feel free to add more anyone..

[_invisibleplane_]

also, there is some very interesting work done by Wayne Herschel which can be tied into the subject of ancient civilization/structures, human history and space/ advanced life visiting earth. I just got his book The Hidden Records off amazon..the research done on star maps within architecture is great.

http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/

visitors from the pleiades perhaps?
http://thehiddenrecords.com/images/TIKAL3.jpg
http://thehiddenrecords.com/images/stonehenge%20web.jpg
http://thehiddenrecords.com/images/Cydonialatestwithlines2.jpg
http://thehiddenrecords.com/images/SACRED%20PLACE%20ZOOM%20IN%203.jpg

orion?
http://thehiddenrecords.com/images/Star%20map%20Egypt.jpg

3 orion stars above, 3 pyramids below=6 pointed star?
http://thehiddenrecords.com/images/AS%20ABOVE%20SO%20BELOW%202.jpg

[jayelowell]

we have found the key!!!

[the seeker]

I am two thirds of the way through, and I have to admit I am fascinated.

This skeptic is intrigued. I highly recommend watching the whole thing.

[bulgariaole]

i dont get this, im only 15 but i really want to understand it

[jayelowell]

i dont get this, im only 15 but i really want to understand itfeel free to ask questions! i am happy you are here my friend & i am here to help! welcome to the forum, alot of truth is ahead of you!

[kimball13]

exponentially:p

Fibonacci:D

[jayelowell]

i am so happy that this thread is finally receiving the postive awareness it deserves

[limelady]

Listening to the video series now. :)

So far, very impressive!

[planetsadhana]

one hour thirty in to first part, wish audience would stop laughing whenever he tells a joke or not, but im intrigued enough to keep watching;)

[kimball13]

The path of the horizon is the path of the medicine man,works with knowlege
The path of the Sun it the path of the Holy man, works with wisdom
A infinity symbol is the path of working within,holy man
A 8 symbol the path of Above as below,medicine man
Overlay these symbols, you have the path to Truth
A circle is the path of the people
The circle surrounds the symbol of Truth, they become as one
Circle is broken, And the Circle And Symbol of Truth Become One/All:)

[deafbred]

the all seeing eye?

mini black holes all around, even we are made up of these?

the all seeing eye is the eye of god?


I knew some ONE has been watching the entire time.

you think so eh?

[jayelowell]

The number is on the left, horizontal addition result is on the right. Notice how the 1,2,4,8,7,5 number pattern repeats indefinitely.
1 = 1
2 = 2
4 = 4
8 = 8
16 = 7
32 = 5
64 = 1
128 = 2
256 = 4
512 = 8
1,024 = 7
2,048 = 5
4,096 = 1
8,192 = 2
16,384 = 4
32,768 = 8
65,536 = 7
131,072 = 5
262,144 = 1
524,288 = 2
1,048,576 = 4
2,097,152 = 8
4,194,304 = 7
8,388,608 = 5
16,777,216 = 1
33,554,432 = 2
67,108,864 = 4
134,217,728 = 8
268,435,456 = 7
536,870,912 = 5
1,073,741,824 = 1
2,147,483,648 = 2
4,294,967,296 = 4
8,589,934,592 = 8

[bulgariaole]

Hey im the 15 year old, I dont at all understand the physics that this physist was taking about, why is the tetrahedron so important? what was the whole infinetly small thing about, i watched the whole thing but i think ill have to go over the physics parts.

[jayelowell]

It’s completely theoretical but I thought, “Imagine the smallest possible thing”. (My mind is not capable of actually thinking of such a small object, but I just picture the word “small” in my mind).
Now that I have an image of the smallest possible thing in my mind, could I split that in half? Sure I can and theoretically I could keep splitting that in half infinite times over. The tetrahedron is the key to the universe, its the sacred geometry!

http://a322.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/117/l_c10196fa3d6f26784ebd4416fc72c1d9.gif

[jayelowell]

http://a301.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/109/l_3bd66af4e32e18a68e38398c04c83b84.gif

[_invisibleplane_]

fractal reality of nature...:)

fractal scale ratio
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/3324/npyramid8.gif

haramein, rodin, and fibonacci explain it well

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/ultimatecomputing/ulti_files/image007.jpg
http://spacecollective.org/userdata/6a3BnFoe/1184466729/leaves.jpg
http://milan.milanovic.org/math/english/division/division_files/listovi.jpeg
http://britton.disted.camosun.bc.ca/fibslide/fib29sm.gif
http://www.mathacademy.com/pr/prime/articles/fibonac/fibonac_8.gif
http://www.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/Fibonaccistrawberry.gif
http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/EMAT6680/Parveen/Fibona50.jpg

[jayelowell]

thank you invisbleplane! please share as much of this truth with me as you can!
life is so beautiful when you look at it this way!

[jayelowell]

did i say beautiful? i meant perfect!

[jayelowell]

maybe the title of this thread should be changed to
"Nassim Haramein/Marko Rodin"

[jayelowell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6LvTiEorfY&feature=user

[phonicboom]

sorry didn't read the whole thread - downloading parts 1 & 2 now. Are there more?

Did the OP read The Tao of Physics?

[jayelowell]

part one & two are all you need... but yes there is more!
i suggest reading the thread because alot of information is scattered in it...

watch these when your ready
Crossing the Event Horizen
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CE591C0D8E97342C

Marko Rodin's Vortex Based Mathematics
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=A8C156FD6D452303

[the seeker]

one hour thirty in to first part, wish audience would stop laughing whenever he tells a joke or not, but im intrigued enough to keep watching;)

What's the deal with that? Did they all toke up before the show?

[jayelowell]

What's the deal with that? Did they all toke up before the show?no, Nassim is just a easy going person & quite humorous... i chuckled though the video also!

[beldazar]

Hi Jaylowell, Ive put this thread on favourites to read and watch through later. I did that before but my PC got wiped calen. I have seen the guy talk before but he lost me in several places, I will give it another go. Your enthusiasm for it has me intrigued, Im looking forward to taking a look. My trouble is there is never enough hours in a day! :)

[phonicboom]

good stuff alright :)

a few bits in lecture one. But really got my interest in lecture 2, still an hour or so left to watch...

[jayelowell]

it's truly amazing isn't it!?

[phonicboom]

very good, recommending it far an wide :)

[beldazar]

Im getting thru it, trying to stay focused here....Ive just had my mouth open, hes going on about 19.47 degrees, exactly where a tetrahedron touches the circle, I have a leaflet in front of me talking of sunspot cycles mentioning that when activity is at its highest they appear at a latitude of 19.5 degrees.
Also....on venus there are 2 active volcano's, Alpha and Beta regio at 19.5 degrees. Olympus Mons is set at 19 degrees north on Mars and Jupiters red spot is found at a latitude of 19.5 degrees.....just thought I would share that :)

[limelady]

This is great info.

I am still ploughing my way through (listen when I can....uninterrupted....not easy :p), but he now has another fan! :D

Makes so much sense to me!

[jayelowell]

http://wisdomwalk.net/images/tetra.jpg

http://theresonanceproject.org/images/graphics/bubble1.png
http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/earth%20magnetic%20field-jj-001.jpg
http://theresonanceproject.org/images/graphics/dualtorus.gif

[jos08]

very interesting I must say.. but its not the whole picture I watched non-stop nearly 9 hours of him going on and on and on ,,,, and the whole time I was saying just CUT THE CRAP AND GET TO THE POINT, but finally he did and blurred out everything.

I'm looking into zodiac signs and in relation to earth locations and what countries and kingdoms they represent. and i'm stuck with only one which I have heard and i'm not sure of it either.. Capricorn represents UK and thats all i know so if anyone has a book source which can explain what star signs represent in terms of locations and on earth then please PM me and give me the details ,.,.

[jayelowell]

i'll just link you to the truth
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1895475242307393956&hl=en

maybe a shorter video will help
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4907540922643918266

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=ResonanceEmissary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwUOHGug7O4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDH7vZuAlRY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey7xfpSMi8M&feature=related

follow the path i've showed you
http://theresonanceproject.org/research.html

I feel that the math of the vortex/torus by Marko Rodin can be related to understanding the torus structure...both him and Haramein embrace their knowledge of ancient civilization symbolism in their ideas

he also emphasizes the power of 9 in his work, and if we look at some of the numbers mentioned by Haramein...

72/7+2=9 144/1+4+4=9

http://www.virtuescience.com/guest5.GIF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPV_2A9-rEk

losts of information though out this thread!!! im sure there is more!!!

[phonicboom]

I'm watching the maths guy now.

@jayelowell: I asked you before but; Did you read "the Tao of Physics"? it's 1975 book but fascinating and was my entry into all of this. It has a lot of physics but balanced 50/50 with spirituality :)

[jayelowell]

sorry i missed the question...
No, I have not read the book but i will look into it! thnx!

[kriss_crow]

Hi jayelowell!
I'd love to watch it and see what this guy has to say,
but I cant download it from google.video.
I have few download pluggins for firefox and none seems work.
Usually one or another does its job well but not in this case... :[
Where did u get it from?

[jayelowell]

Hi jayelowell!
I'd love to watch it and see what this guy has to say,
but I cant download it from google.video.
I have few download pluggins for firefox and none seems work.
Usually one or another does its job well but not in this case... :[
Where did u get it from?
It's on google video, you don't have to dlld it to watch it.
The links are all over this thread;)

[klin]

wow
I've been debating my point of views for months about this fractal theory lol
I love this guy, so much clarity in what he's saying!!

See some of my earlier posts on fractals, I felt I was on to something lol
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30201&page=9
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33675&page=2

But the tetrahedron part is just wow
Also notice how the star of david is also a hypercube!

And so is the letter Y

Great thread! I'm trying to view the second part, but the google vid for part2 isn't working?!

[jayelowell]

try the link again...
the sacred goemetry & mathmathics is the divine laungage!

[kblood]

Hi jayelowell!
I'd love to watch it and see what this guy has to say,
but I cant download it from google.video.
I have few download pluggins for firefox and none seems work.
Usually one or another does its job well but not in this case... :[
Where did u get it from?

I think http://youtubedownload.altervista.org/ can download it from google video, although its called youtube downloader ;)

[jayelowell]

the Grand Unified Theory should be taught to our children, along with Rodin based mathmatics! this information & technology really makes us intergallatic citizens! the possibilitys are endless!!!

[kalimera]

Thank you for the information.
I watched the first video today and the second one will follow.
It's not just great stuff, Nassim also is sooooo cute!!!:)

[beldazar]

yes he is isnt he, :D His speeches can be a bit boring though but he can always come round and talk me to sleep! :eek::D

[kriss_crow]

It's on google video, you don't have to dlld it to watch it.
The links are all over this thread;)

this is the point, I cant watch it "live". I share broadband and what I got is
not enough to do so.
Besides - what's on my hd - is mine forever ;]

I will try some other plugins;
thanks, guys for help

[limelady]

Well I have now spent a long time watching and listening to Nassim's presentations, and I feel very inspired by it all.

Along with some scientific confirmation that the 2012 date holds some significance from a scientific perspective, the following clip is my personal favourite as it offers so much hope for a brighter future for humanity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmMPEE0BbKU&feature=related

[lookfar]

Haven't had the time to watch these vids yet but I'll get around to them this week. It ties in well with the Drunvalo Flower of Life / Merkaba info I'm reading at the mo, it's excellent stuff:) Thanks for sharing jayelowell:)

[jayelowell]

i really feel myself evolving rapidly after learning this knowledge, hopefully it will can reach everyone on earth...

[beldazar]

hey well wait for us Jaylow! Im only at the 3 hour portion, I still have to rewind bits of it but Im persevering! I loved his bit on crop circles and how atoms are mini black holes and why the night sky is black. Its a bit disappointing that some of his diagrams are so blurry though and he could have done with extra ones just for little me who is in need of some visual help.
So, the sky is black at night cos we are in a black hole.........the sun is pretty far away and obviously doesnt shine in a straight line so that would be right? It isnt just because its on the other side of the world as for that to make sense it would have to be pretty close and relatively the same size? Is that right? Does that sound thick? Cos I dont care I need to work this out,
So is the sun the centre? Im trying to think back to the elecric universe, the sun generating the electromatic field.........so is David Icke right, the sun is a dimensional portal?
Does Nassim Harrimen mean our solar system is a black hole, our universe is a black hole or the multiverse is a black hole or all of them?
Ive been trying to look for pics of the universe, boy! I really wish I had spent more time studying......or maybe not, I would have developed a fixed view I suppose...


So, are the sun gods called the sun gods cos they came through the sun?

[pedsi]

Here's another discussion on the same topic from an earlier thread..

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20394

[tyler]

Last night I watched about 15 minutes of this cheesey guy, Nassim, and then couldn't bear to watch any more! I'm sure he has lots of interesting stuff to talk about but I just found him to be unwatchable! Silly jokes and that daft American high school way of talking. Is the guy Arab or Swiss or what?

Oh the Opra Winfrey style, whooping and hooting audience put me off too.

Is there anyone else presenting this stuff? I'm probably missing out on information I would like to have but I refuse to watch this bloke.

[phonicboom]

Is there anyone else presenting this stuff?

well a bit different but related to the thread Surfer dude discovers the theory of everything (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/11/14/scisurf114.xml&site=30&page=0).

..using this shape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E8_(mathematics))

[cruise4]

This is related... Torus stuff, wavicles...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=472381&posted=1#post472381

[jayelowell]

pedsi i visited the thread you linked...
i cant believe that thread didnt take off!!!

crossing the event horizen is gonna be is divine expierence!!!
http://aim.search.aol.com/search/redir?src=image&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hyscience.com%2Far chives%2FMilky%2520Way.jpg&moduleId=image_details.jsp.M&clickedItemDescription=Image Details
i truly believe this information!

[beldazar]

jayelowell, can you help me with my last post? I will carry on watching it tonight but I want to feel a bit straighter before I do. Whats your interpretation?

[jayelowell]

sure, i think your on the right track!
i feel that its kinda like we are inside of the suns vortex & are just following its path down the vortex that it "the sun" is inside of! kinda like a spiral!
if you need more of his diagrams you can visit his website find some of them there.

[beldazar]

Ah, nice one Jaylowell, I have kept this thread open while I watch it to check the diagrams you posted here. I never thought to visit his website,

Thankyou! :)

[pedsi]

pedsi i visited the thread you linked...
i cant believe that thread didnt take off!!!

crossing the event horizen is gonna be is divine expierence!!!
http://aim.search.aol.com/search/redir?src=image&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hyscience.com%2Far chives%2FMilky%2520Way.jpg&moduleId=image_details.jsp.M&clickedItemDescription=Image Details
i truly believe this information!

I suppose there was no one showing the enthusiasm for the information like you have,well done for making this one stick.:)

[beldazar]

ok....another thought...so when you die your atoms just rearrange themselves.....so, It is said your consciousness sees a bright, white light, is that the centre of a black/white hole and so you go through it to reach another dimension? Then your atoms rearrange themselves to create a new body and when you reincarnate you go back through the same hole you came out of? :confused:

[limelady]

This thread discusses some important information on the nature of our reality, so I have let a couple of the older stickies go their merry way and have made this thread a sticky so it can remain at the top for people to find. :)

[beldazar]

fantastic idea! This is brilliant I think! :)

[phonicboom]

maybe :) but there are no such things as "your" atoms;

1) they change all the time anyway from second to second
2) you are the entire universe, not that bag of skin (as take away the rest, where would "you" be?)
3) atoms are just mental constructs for explaining stuff

same with harlein, he is using certain constructs to paint a map. the geometry is not "real" but links things together nicely, keep watching and i'm sure you'll be clicking (i think you already are :) )

[beldazar]

thanks phonicboom, perhaps it would have been better to say that my consciousness gathered the atoms together to create my body???
No...yes.....I dont know, lol. Im up to 3 hours now :)

That may be right, my 'body' may look like me but not one skin cell I contain is an original is it?

[phonicboom]

thanks sonicboom, perhaps it would have been better to say that my consciousness gathered the atoms together to create my body???
No...yes.....I dont know, lol. Im up to 3 hours now :)

yeah, if you like :) but I would say it is not "your" consciousness;

I'm not telling anyone 'how' to think, just the way I do think :)

and that is;- That it is not "your" consciousness and this is not mine, that we are connected to the same and only "one" consciousness and that is infinite ;)

We are of it, and in it, and connected to it, and like fish in a sea of water who can't see it we share, depend on, and are it. But to get by in life we relate to others in a disconnected manner as that is how language and 5 senses make us feel separate from something that in fact we are.

oops, went on a bit there :D

[beldazar]

no you havent....Im getting there....I am reading about the crystal skulls and it mentions thoughts coming from 'outside' the mind, I have also read up on possessions..... I have experienced first-hand one occasion where a thought was err,,,,,,,in my head.....(force of habit) that I knew wasnt my own!
I have been trying to work it out.......I had thought that perhaps your emotional state can attract the type of thought you have or maybe its linked to the subconscious? Oh I dont know but Im really having fun with this! :D

[phonicboom]

ah yes well "mind" has so many interpretations and facets so "you" can have thoughts "in your mind" and out of your mind and coming to mind as that "mind" is a facet of the one consciousness and is yours to use and temper as you please :)

the one conciousness has many minds and many eyes. but only one consciousness :)

(again just my ideas ;) people should have their own)

[beldazar]

its great to share ideas though.....:)

[jayelowell]

http://www.onearth.org/files/onearth/article_images/08spr_trees_01_h_feature.jpg

[free canada]

An Occult Translation of the Roswell Event:
Count down to 2012

By David E. Flynn
May 20th 2005


"Mysteries are due to secrecy." Francis Bacon


No UFO conversation goes very long without mention of the Roswell event. It is the pre-eminent story of extraterrestrial folklore. Paradoxically, some say that what occurred near Roswell NM in July 1947 will never be entirely known. Others, like our own government, claim it was a simple case of misidentification... no mystery. But there is a mystery...and there is good reason to believe the truth was covered up.

On July 8th 1947 the headlines of Roswell Daily Record reported:

RAAF Captures Flying Saucer On Ranch in Roswell Region. The intelligence office of the 509th Bombardment group at Roswell Army Field announced at noon today, that the field has come into possession of a flying saucer.

The next day the Roswell headlines featured a retraction by the RAAF:

An examination by the army revealed last night that mysterious objects found on a lonely New Mexico ranch was a harmless high-altitude weather balloon - not a grounded flying disk.

The contrast between these Army statements aroused suspicion immediately. How could Army "intelligence" confuse a balloon with a flying saucer? Witnesses in Roswell had actually observed the disc flying overhead. Their story was featured with the Army's "Flying saucer" announcement in the July 8th, Roswell Daily Record:

Mr. and Mrs. Dan Wilmot...were sitting on their porch at 105 South Penn. last Wednesday night at about ten o'clock when a large glowing object zoomed out of the sky from the southeast, going in a northwesterly direction at a high rate of speed...The object came into view from the southeast and disappeared over the treetops in the general vicinity of six mile hill... It was in sight less then a minute, perhaps 40 or 50 seconds. Wilmot said that it appeared to him to be about 1,500 feet high and going fast. He estimated between 400 and 500 miles per hour...In appearance it looked oval in shape like two inverted saucers, faced mouth to mouth, or like two old type washbowls placed, together in the same fashion...


Balloons don't normally glow or travel 400 miles per hour. Despite the evidence supporting the Army's 1st announcement, the Roswell incident was effectively removed from public scrutiny ...for thirty seven years.

In 1984, James Shandera, a Hollywood movie producer investigating the UFO phenomena received an anonymously mailed package of 35 mm film. It contained images of a top secret Government report, later named "the Majestic twelve documents". The report had been compiled for review by president Dwight D. Eisenhower. It was marked:



Copy of TOP SECRET MAJIC EYES ONLY SOM1-01 "Extraterrestrial Entities and Technology, Recovery and Disposal" courtesy Tom Horn




"This is a TOP SECRET- EYES ONLY document containing compartmentalized information essential to the national security of the United States"

In the document was a list of 12 American scientists, intelligence officials and military leaders appointed to assess the remains of an extraterrestrial craft and alien bodies recovered from Roswell NM in 1947. One year later, an anonymous tip arrived in the mail addressed to the research associate working with Shandera named Bill Moore. This tip directed Moore to a memo confirming the existence of the MJ-12 documents at the National Archives. This new information and other evidence that built a case for authenticity of the MJ-12 documents was pieced together by Moore and his associate Stanton Friedman. During the course of their research, Friedman and Moore began to realize that authentication of the MJ-12 documents would be extremely difficult. The investigators even considered the anonymous release of information could be a process of misdirection. Because the origin of the documents was unknown, no one could be sure that they hadn't originated from a disinformation faction within the government itself. The entire process may have been designed to fail. The release of conflicting or inaccurate information of UFO events by secret factions in government is a well known hazard of ufology research. This disinformation technique is used to establish government plausible deniability. But if the release of the MJ-12 documents wasn't just a convoluted process of disinformation, what other purpose could disclosure of the Roswell event serve?

The Majestic twelve documents were made public in 1987. Soon the Roswell incident became the most famous UFO incident in history. Roswell raised the possibility that intelligent extraterrestrial life could exist. The anonymous "assistance" given to the investigators of the Roswell event, or the manner in which any UFO information is dispensed by our government appears more a program of cultural conditioning than simple fact hiding. If this is true, for what purpose are we being conditioned?

In 1928 the occult visionary Manly P. Hall wrote:

"Not only were many of the founders of the United States government Masons, but they received aid from a secret and august body existing in Europe which helped them to establish this country for A PECULIAR AND PARTICULAR PURPOSE known only to the initiated few." Manly P.Hall, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, pp. XC and XCI

"There exists in the world today, and has existed for thousands of years, a body of enlightened humans united in what might be termed, an Order of the Quest. It is composed of those whose intellectual and spiritual perceptions have revealed to them that civilization has secret destiny…

"European mysticism was not dead at the time the United States of America was founded. The hand of the mysteries controlled in the establishment of the new government for the signature of the mysteries may still be seen on the Great Seal of the United States of America. Careful analysis of the seal discloses a mass of occult and Masonic symbols chief among them, the so-called American eagle. ... The American eagle upon the Great Seal is but a conventionalized phoenix..." 'Manly P. Hall, The Secret Destiny of America



Phoenix, the last word of Hall's statement of the founding of America, is key to the "secret destiny" of civilization. It explains the occult design behind the formation of the United States and the events at Roswell. These mysteries can be solved if we understand this one word.

The word "Phoenix" is derivative of the Greek name for "Phoenicians", ancient people that inhabited the East coast of the Mediterranean Sea. Though called "Phoenicians" meaning redness by the Greeks, the Phoenicians referred to themselves as Sidonians. Their capital city named after Sidon, the first born son of Canaan, son of Ham. Ham was one of the original occupants of Noah’s Ark and Noah’s youngest son. The Sidonians were considered masters of science and magic. They claimed to possess a civilization existing for 30,000 years. Ancient historians venerated the Sidonians:

* Sidonian navigators were especially sought by the Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians & Greeks.
* The Greek alphabet was transferred directly from the Phoenician / Sidonian script and applied to the sounds of the language of the Greeks, hence the meaning of the word "phonetic".
* The modern English alphabet is based on the ancient Phoenician / Sidonian script.
* The majority of knowledge ascribed through the ages to the Greeks was given to them first by the Sidonians.
* Pythagoras, considered the ancient father of Free Masonry was schooled in Sidonia.
* The first phonetic text in existence, the Old Testament, was written in Phoenician characters.
* The first temple of the Hebrews was built in Jerusalem by artisans from Tyre, a city that traded Phoenician capital status with Sidon.

The preeminence of the Phoenician / Sidonian knowledge in ancient civilization is a long guarded occult secret.

But more important than the scientific influence of Sidonia, the symbolic meaning of Manly Hall's Phoenix represents an age when mankind and extraterrestrials were believed to have lived on earth side by side. Phoenicia was the land of descent of the "Sons of God" described in Genesis 6. According to the history of every ancient culture in the Middle East, Phoenicia was the first place where beings from heaven came to the earth. The union of these beings with the daughters of Adam produced hybrid offspring, Nephilim (literally in Hebrew, the fallen ones). According to the pseudepigraphic book of Enoch, the book of Jubilees and many other ancient texts, the exact point of descent of the Sons of God was Mt. Hermon in Phoenicia. Through the influence of these heavenly beings and their offspring, men became gifted with knowledge surpassing any that had yet existed. But then came the flood...and symbolically the Phoenix perished. The heavenly and supernatural bird, keeper of secrets of the past and future was consumed in the fire of its own making.

In other words, the knowledge given to man from heaven was lost in a global cataclysm. According to Genesis 6, the destruction of earth by the flood was in response to the interaction of the Sons of God with the daughters of Adam.

Ancient and modern occult adepts describe the beauty of Phoenix, dazzling and brilliantly colored. It was a perfect symbol for heavenly knowledge manifested on the earth. They believed the power of the Phoenix came from heaven. Its death on earth would only be temporary. The life of the Phoenix could not be extinguished any more than the heavens or knowledge could cease to exist. The Phoenix waited to be born again out of the ashes of its demise.

The symbolic rebirth of the Phoenix did take place in the time after the flood. Nephilim that survived the cataclysm, returned to their point of origin in Phoenicia, as recorded in the Old Testament. Canaan, the son of Ham, the cursed son of Noah, once again established civilization amidst the beings that had caused the destruction of the world.

The Nephilim were more powerful and intelligent than men, but they were earth bound like men. The connection they once had to their heavenly progenitors had been cut. Together with humanity they beckoned the Sons of God to descend as they had before the flood. They built a tower reaching into the heavens. Because of this attempt, it is recorded that the world lost what was left of divine knowledge, through its dispersion throughout the earth.

Manly P. Hall refers to this history when writing of the coming world order and the rise of the Phoenix. His understanding of the Phoenix is shared by illumined fraternal orders that have preserved the scattered "sacred" knowledge of the ancients. They anticipate the rise of the Phoenix from the ashes of history. They wait for an age when knowledge will once again descend from heaven. This secret has been hidden in their symbolism and numerology throughout history.

"In Freemasonry is embedded the core or the secret heart of the occult mysteries, wrapped up on number, metaphor and symbol ..." The Reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom, Benjamin Creme p. 87

"Numbers are a key to the ancient views of cosmogony ... spiritually as well as physically ... to the evolution of the present human race; all systems of religious mysticism are based upon numerals. The sacredness of numbers ..." The Occult Power of Numbers, W. Wynn Westcott , p. 15

...in Spiritual Numerology, '33' symbolizes the highest spiritual conscious attainable by the human being." The Secret of the Illuminati, Elizabeth van Buren, p. 161-2

33 and 3 are all featured prominently in occult doctrine. The great significance of the number 33 cannot be fully understood unless it is combined with the most important science of Free Masonry, navigation. The compass and square, the most visible symbols of Masonry are also the basic tools of navigation and map making.

Calculation of speed and location under the heavens is considered to be the highest form of sacred knowledge from antiquity. Navigation unites time with space and the heavens with the earth. The number "3" is essential to this process. Without the geometry of the 3 sided triangle, establishing location and distance on a map or "triangulation" is impossible. Navigation not only predicts the destination of a traveler on the earth but also the time the traveler will arrive. The most powerful secret held by the occult elite is related to this concept taken to a higher level.




As the navigator can use increments of the earth's latitude and longitude to determine location in space and time, these increments can be measured in the earth itself to reveal the appointed time of humanity's destiny.

This is why the number 33 and the compass and square are such important symbols of the illumined elite.

33.33 degrees of the great circle of the earth represents 2012 nautical miles.

Mount Hermon in Phoenicia, the first location of extraterrestrial influence with man, lies precisely at 33.33° north 33.33° east ... 2,012 miles from the equator and 2,012 miles from the prime meridian.*

To be completely accurate, the number of nautical miles in 33.33 degrees of the earth is 2012 ".9" This corresponds to the year and date that the ancient Mayans of middle America believed their calendar will end, December 21st, 2012. This is also the year their serpent god and founder of civilization, Quetzalcoatle, will return from heaven.

Does the chosen location of the first connection of heaven with the earth on Mt. Hermon at 33.3rd degrees set in time the final phase of a new world order in 2012? In light of the ancient history of Mt. Hermon, is it possible that the year 2012 might also represent this scenario? But how is the year 2012 anchored in time? Dates and years were commonly measured from the start of the reign of a king or at the founding of a new city in antiquity. Our modern calendar is aligned to the birth of the Messiah of Israel, Jesus Christ, though even this "anchor point" is not fixed absolutely. There is a debate concerning when exactly Jesus was born. Various researchers have placed the time of Christ's birth at 11 BC, 3 BC, and 1 AD. Additionally, our modern calendar was based on earlier versions that were adjusted several times forward or back a number of years by Roman Emperors and Popes. There has already been a 2012 BC in our calendar, though it was not a remarkable year with respect to knowledge.

Finding a relationship between 2012 AD and the present age may be the critical way to resolve this question. It makes more sense to qualify this future date with references left from the previous encounters of extraterrestrials with humanity. If the sons of God descended to Mt. Hermon with the intention of connecting 33.33 with 2012 navigationally, might they also have placed an additional marker coordinating the year 2012 with their return?

It appears they did. This is very probably the meaning of the Roswell event. It is a marker consisting of ancient, sacred numbers.

The impact area near Roswell lays 33° north latitude, at a distance 2,012 miles from the equator.

When the latitude of the impact site 33° north, is multiplied by the universal mathematical constant PI, (3.1415926572...) the result is 104°, the longitude of the impact site. The value of PI is one of the most important numbers of geometry. Without an understanding of this number, the science of building, architecture and navigation is not possible. Historians actually base one of the classifications of a true civilization on its achievement of PI.

At Roswell, if PI is multiplied by the latitudes from 33.00 to 33.59, a line with the resultant longitude can be traced showing the precise flight path the disc traveled before impact. This line of coordinates lies south east to North West, exactly in the direction the craft appeared to follow according to eye witnesses recorded in the Roswell Daily Record, July 8th, 1947:

"... (the) large glowing object zoomed out of the sky from the southeast, going in a northwesterly direction at a high rate of speed...The object came into view from the southeast..."

The only place on earth where 33° latitude and 104° longitude exist without lying in an ocean, as it does south of the equator, or an uninhabited mountain plateau as it does in the eastern hemisphere...is a few miles north west of Roswell, New Mexico, USA. The sacred number 33 multiplied by PI, just happens to produce the location where a flying saucer crashed landed in 1947.

Scientists at the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) know that a radio message from intelligent life out in space would have to use redundant universal mathematical constants. Universal constants are not dependent on calibration systems, but ratios. They function with every counting system that exists. Any signal coming from space that has these numbers stands out against the randomness in the background of space noise. Such a signal would define itself as intelligent and deliberate. Such is the case with the location of the Roswell incident. The odds against a crash location occurring "by chance" precisely at the coordinates that are the product of PI x 33 are astronomical... on the order of millions to one. The location was chosen therefore to show a deliberate and intelligent message.

In other words...the Roswell event was not an accident.



This is a profound contradiction to its initial appearance. The crash and destruction of the sophisticated flying vehicle with occupants, according to reports, seemed an unplanned disaster. It is exactly because of this appearance that researchers speculated that American radar, used in missile tracking experiments at white Sands testing grounds near Roswell, some how brought the extraterrestrial vehicle down. However, if the message at Roswell is more than a strange mathematical coincidence, this would also suggest that the crash was staged and the vehicle's occupants sacrificed. By appearing as an accident, the last thing one would look for is a message deposited in the crash location itself.

But there is more to the message than the display of "Pl". The Roswell event also incorporates numbers of the earth's dimensions and orientation in space. These numbers interact with each other in patterns similar to those known to exist in occult ritual magic. Though the value of a number may change with placement of the decimal point, the magical form of the number remains the same. Numbers that display these characteristics are commonly seen in the practice of "theurgy"** or numerology. This is especially notable in the way the message displays the number 19.47. 1947 was the year the Roswell event occurred.

19.47° or "19.5" is a universal number signifying the meeting of a tetrahedron with a sphere. 19.47° is the latitude where 3 points of the 4 sided tetrahedron touch north or south the equator if the 4th point is anchored at the pole of a rotating sphere. If the number 19.47 was discovered in an extraterrestrial radio signal, SETI scientists would have proof that the broadcasters understood advanced Platonic geometry. The Roswell message numerologically interconnects 19.47 with the date, latitude, longitude and distance from the equator of the impact event itself.

The earth is 21,600 nautical miles around. This measurement is based on the ratio of 360 x 60 first used by the Phoenicians and still in use by modern ocean and flight navigators.

The number 6,480 is exactly 1/4th of the total 25,920 years it takes earth to complete one circuit through the signs of the zodiac. 6,480 years is unique because it marks the duration between a series of global cataclysms left in earth's historic and geologic record.

At Roswell, 19.47 appears in relationship between 21,600, 6,480 and 33.33

When the earth's circumference, 21,600 is divided by 33.33 the number 6,480 appears in a variation:

21,600 / 33.33 = 648.06480648064...

648.06480648064..divided by 19.47, the number suggested by the year of the Roswell crash itself (1947)...produces a modification of 33.33:

648.064806480 / 19.47 = 33.28

...Latitude 33.28°

This latitude, 33.28° multiplied by PI (3.141592653589...) results in a longitude 104.56° ... pinpointing the exact coordinates of the disc impact site near Roswell NM.

(Click image below for larger pic)

Additionally the number 2012 can be calculated with a form of the number of the exact Roswell crash site latitude, 33.28° and the year of the Roswell event itself, 1947:

19.47 x 3.328 = 64.80

Between July 1947 and March 2012 there are 64.80 years.

It is significant that the United States recovered the debris and "alien" bodies of the Roswell crash on the 4th of July 1947. America itself was founded on the same date in 1776. This year was chosen by the occult elite behind the formation of America for a special reason.

888 is the sum of the letters in Greek of the name Jesus (each Greek letter represents a number). A second "messiah" (888) plus the first messiah (888) = 1776.

America's founding date, 1776 is a number representing a 2nd messiah or the "king" of the World Order. It symbolizes the advent of a god man on earth.

According to the illuminated elite, as the first messiah came to establish the Kingdom of Heaven, the second illuminated messiah will establish a New World under his rule. Concerning this messiah, Manly P. Hall, wrote:

"The outcome of the 'secret destiny' is a World Order ruled by a King with supernatural powers. This King was descended of a divine race; that is, he belonged to the Order of the Illumined for those who come to a state of wisdom then belong to a family of heroes-perfected human beings... "The Secret Destiny of America., p. 26.






The average number of days in a year for a century is 364.864 (this is slightly less than 365 because it includes leap years that have an extra day) This number can be found by dividing the quarter of precession 6,480 with the founding year of America 1776 by moving the decimal point two spaces to the left.

6,480 / 17.76 = 364.864648

1776 is therefore related to the latitude and year of the Roswell event:

364.864648 x 1776 = 648,000 / 33.28 (Roswell event latitude) = 19,470

The Roswell event longitude is also related to America's birth year 1776:

1776 / 17.076 = 104.0056, (the exact longitude of Roswell crash site is 104.56)

America has existed from the beginning as an intellectual beacon in the world. It was the first country to achieve super power status, moving mankind into the space age and nuclear age. It continues to shape the political and economic climate for a future ruled by one heavenly power. It is the country where the year 2012 appears to have been supernaturally communicated to humanity by the Roswell event.

Having taken the appearance of an accident, the Roswell event limited the directions an investigation would take. Working from the paradigm of an accident, researchers who might otherwise have suspected its mathematical message were diverted. This mental conditioning worked very well. The messengers seem to have been masters of the human psyche. They did not want the Roswell event's true nature known in 1947. It was designed to be understood in the future.

The identity of the messengers was also obscured. Some had concluded that genuine, "Hollywood type" extraterrestrials crashed near Roswell in 1947. This idea doesn't fit so easily in light of the numbers on the ground. A true extraterrestrial would understand universal math... but not necessarily numbers distinct in human culture and religion. The Roswell math bears uncanny similarity to ancient human systems of occult numerology.

The word "messenger" is exactly what the ancients named the heavenly beings. They knew their nature, having lived with them in Phoenicia. The modern illumined shares this understanding. In the ancient Hebrew, the word from messenger is "malach"; the ancient Greek word is "angelos". According to the science of Angelology, the angelic mind grasps every mathematical and scientific concept in the universe. It is not outside the Angelic repertoire to take concern with mankind or to interact with it. They also know man's religious numbers and symbolism...in Phoenicia, they were the teachers of these concepts. They were the sons' of God that descended to Mt. Hermon.

But the messengers of Mt. Hermon were not morally aligned with the God of the Bible. On the contrary, they were aligned with the god that "illuminates" the mind of man. Concerning this god, Albert Pike, the 33° Mason, wrote in his Masonic guide, "Morals and Dogma":

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321:

The origin for Lucifer's name is found in the book of the prophet Isaiah. This text also explains that Lucifer is an angel. As an angel, his job is clear:

Angels leave messages, (angelicon).

The Roswell event was a message ...left at 33 °

One third of anything is 33 percent. 1/3rd of 100% is 33.333333...There is an ancient text that reveals the connection between the messengers and number 33:

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon...And his tail drew 1/3rd part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth...And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels... And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 12:3-9

In this text the number 33 or 1/3rd is explained as the actual percentage of rebellious angels that will be cast to the earth. Satan is also clearly associated with this same number.

We know that 33 degrees of earth’s circumference is 2012 miles and that 33 is a prominent number in the Roswell message. 33 is also prominently featured in the location of the first descent of angelic forces to Mt. Hermon. Might this numeric connection indicate a similar type event occurring in the year 2012?

It shall come to pass in that day the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones, And on the earth the kings of the earth. They will be gathered together, As prisoners are gathered in the pit, And will be shut up in the prison; After many days they will be punished. Isaiah 24:21,22 NKJV

According to Isaiah 24 and Revelation 12, Lucifer and his angels are bound by the same destiny. They will be cast to the earth. Because they undoubtedly anticipate this event, this unseen group of heavenly beings must be preparing themselves for an inevitable change of estate. It also makes sense that they would condition mankind to accept them as gods when they return.

It has happened before.




In fact, Jesus himself compared his second coming with the situation before the flood. Genesis 6 is the blueprint for the future.

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Luke 21:25, 26

But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Matthew 24:37-39

According to Christian eschatology, the return of Jesus as king of the earth follows the appearance of his counterfeit. This false king will control humanity empowered by the same angelic rebels that ruled the earth before Noah entered the Ark. This concept has been around for a long time. It isn’t so extraordinary that Roswell repeats it. The troubling aspect of the Roswell message is that it seems to predict that these events will occur, or begin to occur in 2012.

Christian eschatology can accommodate the existence of the Roswell message. It can accept its angelic origin for the message and even its symbolism. But so far there has been little room in eschatology for the setting of dates or years for prophecy fulfillment. There is only one true way of knowing the future, apart from trusting God’s words to mankind…

One has to wait.

According to the message at Roswell, we have only to wait a few years.

Also See:
The Writings of David E. Flynn ( HIGHLY recommended by Tom Horn! )
2005 Ancient of Days Conference - Rowell, NM
David E. Flynn's Famous Watcher Website

Contact David Flynn
watcher@mt.net

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* This location of Mt. Hermon in longitude is based on the Paris 0 meridian 2.20 degrees East of Greenwich.

** Theurgy describes the practice of rituals, sometimes seen as magical in nature, performed with the intention of invoking the action of God (or other personified supernatural power), especially with the goal of uniting with the divine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mXTks2V4j4

[phonicboom]

a lot

thats a very interesting bit of research, I found this more interesting than the long slow drawl on the youtube clip, but I will go back and watch the rest now I know it holds so much info.

thanks

[jayelowell]

thank you free canada...
i can see how you find similaritys, but that is a whole other story.
what ppl need to know is the geometry & mathmathics...

http://www.theinfovault.net/vault/spirituality/mathfingerprintofgod_files/page252_9.gif

[pedsi]

Bruce Lipton is well worth checking out too......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHBD8pc8XMI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHBD8pc8XMI)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GaB1VMAXPQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GaB1VMAXPQ)

[jayelowell]

nice add pedsi!!!
here is the full version...

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?... (http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-8950549020166531913&q=bruce+lipton&ei=FbBHSOzSAYSwrAP-kJm6DA)

[jayelowell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN4mUYPqZLY

[jayelowell]

hi jayelowell I am a great admirer of Harameins work and have purchased his DVD set which is amazing and has many gems of information.Can you share it with me?

[pedsi]

Hey jayelowell did you see this thread from lordzoma about the healing solfeggio frequencies....check out the numbers.:)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34062

[jayelowell]

thnx for the link! "great thread"
Marko Rodin spoke about it in his video... im glad somebody actually broke it down for us!

[jayelowell]

Unified field theory, in particle physics, is an attempt to describe all fundamental forces and the relationships between elementary particles in terms of a single theoretical framework. Forces can be described by fields that mediate interactions between separate objects. In the mid-19th century James Clerk Maxwell formulated the first field theory in his theory of electromagnetism. Then, in the early part of the 20th century, Albert Einstein developed general relativity, a field theory of gravitation. Later, Einstein and others attempted to construct a unified field theory in which electromagnetism and gravity would emerge as different aspects of a single fundamental field. They failed, and to this day gravity remains beyond attempts at a unified field theory.
At subatomic distances, fields are described by quantum field theories, which apply the ideas of quantum mechanics to the fundamental field. In the 1940s quantum electrodynamics (QED), the quantum field theory of electromagnetism, became fully developed. In QED, charged particles interact as they emit and absorb photons (minute packets of electromagnetic radiation), in effect exchanging the photons in a game of subatomic "catch." This theory works so well that it has become the prototype for theories of the other forces.
During the 1960s and '70s particle physicists discovered that matter is composed of two types of basic building block--the fundamental particles known as quarks and leptons. The quarks are always bound together within larger observable particles, such as protons and neutrons. They are bound by the short-range strong force, which overwhelms electromagnetism at subnuclear distances. The leptons, which include the electron, do not "feel" the strong force. However, quarks and leptons both experience a second nuclear force, the weak force. This force, which is responsible for certain types of radioactivity classed together as beta decay, is feeble in comparison with electromagnetism.
At the same time that the picture of quarks and leptons began to crystallize, major advances led to the possibility of developing a unified theory. Theorists began to invoke the concept of local gauge invariance, which postulates symmetries of the basic field equations at each point in space and time. Both electromagnetism and general relativity already involved such symmetries, but the important step was the discovery that a gauge-invariant quantum field theory of the weak force had to include an additional interaction--namely, the electromagnetic interaction. Sheldon Glashow, Abdus Salam, and Steven Weinberg independently proposed a unified "electroweak" theory of these forces based on the exchange of four particles: the photon for electromagnetic interactions, and two charged W particles and a neutral Z particle for weak interactions.
During the 1970s there was developed a similar quantum field theory for the strong force, called quantum chromodynamics (QCD). In QCD, quarks interact through the exchange of particles called gluons. The aim of researchers now is to discover whether the strong force can be unified with the electroweak force in a grand unified theory (GUT). There is evidence that the strengths of the different forces vary with energy in such a way that they converge at high energies. However, the energies involved are extremely high, more than a million million times as great as the energy scale of electroweak unification, which has already been verified by many experiments.
Excerpt from the Encyclopedia Britannica without permission.

[snuffy]

Hi, this is my first post. I somewhat recently ran into David Icke material and loving the information I have been soaking up. It's nice to see others seeking truth. Thanks to jayelowell for putting the link to this thread in your sig. A few days ago it enabled me to find Nassim Haramein and I started watching his event horizon video, all 8+ hours and the DVD extra videos. I couldn't stop watching once I started. What he says makes a lot of sense and it is obvious he has a passion for it. It was a nice surprise when he delved into other issues his theory links to. It left me with some questions so I registered in this forum to make this post.

1. The 8+ hours video is from 2003. What has he been doing since then? In the video he said his paper was under peer review. Then what happened? I looked around on his website and didn't see news, but maybe I missed it. If he has discovered or even touched upon the truth, then I have worries about those in control that hide to keep their edge (the illuminated ones). They might try to slow down or stop the spreading of this. Even just his outside of the box thinking compared to current science/scientists might slow the process.

2. Someone in this thread mentioned they bought the DVD. I would imagine it is material from after 2003. Is that the case and is there anything new or updated in it? It would be interesting to see what else he has discovered/researched. I did see some youtube videos from DVD 3 & 4 from his DVD set.

It's amazing how much of a free thinker Nassim is. None of which is attributed to the US education system. ;)

[jayelowell]

he does lots of talks/conferences... his last conference call that i know of was held on June 18th

[phonicboom]

http://www.wittypedia.com/images/world-torus.gif

well?

[jayelowell]

more kinda like...

black hole at the top
http://www.smeddum.net/images/articles/torus.gif
white hole at the bottom

[phonicboom]

yeah, same i guess? the point where it goes to singularity is the black hole/ white hole bit :)

[phonicboom]

"fritjof capra" the amazing guy who wrote "the tao of physics" in 1975 is talking about "leonardo divinci" and i feel it is the same thought pattern as us people who are seeing unity in all we see and know - he is of course fascinated by geometry and maths.

search google video for "Fritjof Capra: The Science of Leonardo"

:)

[cruise4]

That little 'difference' between jayelowell and phonicboom above is a point of confusion to me and more important to understanding all this than you may realise, (or I'm slow on the uptake). There's a problem here. Who feels they could accurately plot where 'earth' resides in this scheme? And if you can, then do the same for a cell, or an atom. And answer if I scratch myself and dead cells break off... have I just detroyed endless universe's?

[phonicboom]

jayelowell is showing that the sucking in part is the black hole, and the spewing out bit is the white hole,

I just put a dot there where the singularity is.

And answer if I scratch myself and dead cells break off... have I just detroyed endless universe's?

:D maybe, he he :) i like it. but don't personaly go to that explanation of the fractal myself. Others may differ. very fun idea though.

[jayelowell]

every cell, every atom, every electron may aswell be its own universe & we may be a cell in something bigger then ourselves!

[kblood]

That little 'difference' between jayelowell and phonicboom above is a point of confusion to me and more important to understanding all this than you may realise, (or I'm slow on the uptake). There's a problem here. Who feels they could accurately plot where 'earth' resides in this scheme? And if you can, then do the same for a cell, or an atom. And answer if I scratch myself and dead cells break off... have I just detroyed endless universe's?

Maybe so, but if a Universe is that size, then an eternity would have gone before they became dead cells anyway.

[jayelowell]

This thread discusses some important information on the nature of our reality, so I have let a couple of the older stickies go their merry way and have made this thread a sticky so it can remain at the top for people to find. :)thank you!!! ;)

[jayelowell]

*This is a short article written by Nassim Haramein for a layman magazine publication.
THE GEOMETRY OF SPACE
By
Nassim Haramein
Have you ever wondered what this reality is made of? This atomic structure that is palpable, that
seems so real? How is it that from nothingness everything emerges? Atoms are made of
99.99999% space, so it turns out that what we call reality is mostly space with a little bit of a
jiggle—a little vibratory fluctuation or, as described in quantum theory, a waveform generating
what we call atomic structure. One must wonder, couldn't this fluctuation be a function of the
space itself? Could space actually be full instead of empty? Couldn't atomic structures be only
the symptom of the fluctuation of space?
This is nothing new; most ancient civilizations believed in an all-prevailing soup of energy
embedded within the fabric of space, and later many of the world's great thinkers, including such
scientists as Albert Einstein, Nicolas Tesla, Buckminster Fuller and Walter Russell, believed in
an all-prevailing energy at the base of the fabric of space. The premise of this research is simple;
space is not empty, it is full! It is full of an energy that creates atomic structures themselves —
reality. It is a sea of electromagnetic flux we call the zero point energy, which has been
demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt, since its mechanical effects have now been measured
in laboratories, and the cosmological constant was added to the vacuum at the universal scale to
accommodate for the observed acceleration of expansion.
In simple terms, reality is not unlike the phase transition that water undergoes when its molecules
change into ice. This thermodynamic effect is the result of a transfer of energy or information
from one state to another. In this case water can be represented as atomic structure and ice as the
energy of the vacuum structure. Now we can identify both sides of the equation--one being a
wave form (water or liquid) and the other being geometric (solid) as it gets cooler.
This research identifies the geometric relationship between space and the phase experienced by
matter as related to [or illustrated by] the water/ice example. The relationship is geometrically
communicated as a fractal tetrahedral array circumscribed by a sphere where the vector lines of
forces generated by the geometric array is the structure of space itself, and the sphere is the
waveform resulting from the fluctuation of space, that we observe as atoms. The geometric
relationship to the waveform is non-linear, since it is fractal with spheres—from infinitely big to
infinitely small—embedded within each other in all directions, thus creating the experience of
reality.

[lookfar]

Hi, this is my first post. I somewhat recently ran into David Icke material and loving the information I have been soaking up. It's nice to see others seeking truth. Thanks to jayelowell for putting the link to this thread in your sig. A few days ago it enabled me to find Nassim Haramein and I started watching his event horizon video, all 8+ hours and the DVD extra videos. I couldn't stop watching once I started. What he says makes a lot of sense and it is obvious he has a passion for it. It was a nice surprise when he delved into other issues his theory links to. It left me with some questions so I registered in this forum to make this post.

1. The 8+ hours video is from 2003. What has he been doing since then? In the video he said his paper was under peer review. Then what happened? I looked around on his website and didn't see news, but maybe I missed it. If he has discovered or even touched upon the truth, then I have worries about those in control that hide to keep their edge (the illuminated ones). They might try to slow down or stop the spreading of this. Even just his outside of the box thinking compared to current science/scientists might slow the process.

2. Someone in this thread mentioned they bought the DVD. I would imagine it is material from after 2003. Is that the case and is there anything new or updated in it? It would be interesting to see what else he has discovered/researched. I did see some youtube videos from DVD 3 & 4 from his DVD set.

It's amazing how much of a free thinker Nassim is. None of which is attributed to the US education system. ;)

Hi snuffy & welcome to the forum:)

I'm only half way through the vid at the mo, but thoroughly enjoying it. I've learned about sacred geometry from reading & watching Drunvalo Melchizedek's information & it's a fascinating subject. Nassim is complementing it very well.

As I am new to his information, I was also wondering those same questions as you, as the video is from 2003. It would be interesting if someone has the answers...

Anyway, it's good to have you onboard and look forward to seeing you around...:)

[lozz]

Thank you soooo much for this :) I'm really enjoying the journey this has set me on.

I'm having to take it all in in small sections though as its a huge revelation to take in all at once as i'm no quantum genius :p but it does make you see things differently and disconnect to a degree with the physical vision around us...

[beldazar]

yeah doesnt it just? Ive had so many thoughts go round in my head since watching him and I have the second one to go thru, as I dont know squat about the subject its been a bit of a struggle, I have to google key words.

I went to the beach the other day to look at what he said about waves, sure enough, just by looking you can see where the water is pulled back towards the wave to create the spiral/vortex he is on about. I practically grew up on a beach and didnt notice. By swimming under the waves you can feel it, also by throwing a ball in and seeing it get sucked down and spat back up again. Its all there! :)

[cruise4]

OK... so we are told there are black holes around the cosmos... what are these? How does Nassims theory relate to 'multiple' avenues 'out' (or in)?

[beldazar]

other atoms? Part of a much bigger 'being?'

[lookfar]

yeah doesnt it just? Ive had so many thoughts go round in my head since watching him and I have the second one to go thru, as I dont know squat about the subject its been a bit of a struggle, I have to google key words.

I went to the beach the other day to look at what he said about waves, sure enough, just by looking you can see where the water is pulled back towards the wave to create the spiral/vortex he is on about. I practically grew up on a beach and didnt notice. By swimming under the waves you can feel it, also by throwing a ball in and seeing it get sucked down and spat back up again. Its all there! :)

Hi beldazar

Hope you're well honey:)

I highly recommend checking out the Drunvalo books (The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life - Pts 1 & 2). They're a great start to this amazing subject & explain things in a bit more detail than what Nassim's talk does. He sort of jumps in at the deep end a bit & assumes the listener is familiar with the subject matter. Perhaps your local library could source you a copy or something? They are very good if you're interested in this:)

[beldazar]

Hi Lokfar! Yes, Im fine thanks, I hope you are too!
I will certainly look into this more, it kinda makes sense the sayings of 'look within' and 'we are one' may not be just 'new age crap' after all!
I went thru a spate of drawing the flower of life and I have them up on my wall, I am really interested in this. Im off in town in a bit so I will pop into the library and ask. :)

[pedsi]

Excellent talk by Dr Len Horowitz from may this year,not watched it all myself yet but so far he's talked about Haramien,Rodin,Dr Emoto,and sound and how they all tie in......a must see:)

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=len+horowitz&hl=en&emb=0&aq=0&oq=len+h#

[lookfar]

Excellent talk by Dr Len Horowitz from may this year,not watched it all myself yet but so far he's talked about Haramien,Rodin,Dr Emoto,and sound and how they all tie in......a must see:)

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=len+horowitz&hl=en&emb=0&aq=0&oq=len+h#

Ah nice one pedsi, I'll have to check that one out later too. Thanks for sharing:)

[phonicboom]

Excellent talk by Dr Len Horowitz from may this year,not watched it all myself yet but so far he's talked about Haramien,Rodin,Dr Emoto,and sound and how they all tie in......a must see:)

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=len+horowitz&hl=en&emb=0&aq=0&oq=len+h#

yeah i saw that before :) it's a nice chat, well recomended.

[lookfar]

Hi Lokfar! Yes, Im fine thanks, I hope you are too!
I will certainly look into this more, it kinda makes sense the sayings of 'look within' and 'we are one' may not be just 'new age crap' after all!
I went thru a spate of drawing the flower of life and I have them up on my wall, I am really interested in this. Im off in town in a bit so I will pop into the library and ask. :)

Glad you're well, all good here too thanks:)

Yeah it's definitely great information & very important for the way forward with things I feel. I'm currently reading the 2nd Drunvalo book at the mo & just getting into the part about the merkaba (the energy field that surrounds your body in the shape of the star tetrahedron) & the merkaba meditation to activate this... I also want to start drawing my own FoL & other symbols to fully appreciate them too.

Good luck in your library search. My library here can order books from other parts of the country for a small fee, which I find very helpful, hope yours does that too...:)

[jayelowell]

excellent!!!
Excellent talk by Dr Len Horowitz from may this year,not watched it all myself yet but so far he's talked about Haramien,Rodin,Dr Emoto,and sound and how they all tie in......a must see:)

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=len+horowitz&hl=en&emb=0&aq=0&oq=len+h# (http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=len+horowitz&hl=en&emb=0&aq=0&oq=len+h#)

[jayelowell]

website by Dr. Len Horowitz

http://www.tetrahedron.org/

[jayelowell]

http://www.scinfo.org/rbc1.gif

[lookfar]

Excellent talk by Dr Len Horowitz from may this year,not watched it all myself yet but so far he's talked about Haramien,Rodin,Dr Emoto,and sound and how they all tie in......a must see:)

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=len+horowitz&hl=en&emb=0&aq=0&oq=len+h#

I couldn't view the link earlier as I was at work. However, this vid (Pirates of the Sacred Spiral) is not from May of this year as I saw it last year sometime. It contains some very interesting info in it though & definitely worth a watch:)

[jayelowell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN4mUYPqZLYthe link my friend pedsi posted is where this song is inspired from!!!;):D:cool:

and also i would like to share a link to holy harmony by jonathan goldman

http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/30805326/Holy+Harmony?tab=summary

[psyked]

I just saw everything and I must say... really interesting!

thanks for posting this!

[pedsi]

I couldn't view the link earlier as I was at work. However, this vid (Pirates of the Sacred Spiral) is not from May of this year as I saw it last year sometime. It contains some very interesting info in it though & definitely worth a watch:)

Just noticed I posted the wrong link:o but the one I'm on about is on the list on the left.."Vancouver 2008" ...I must have been a wee bit excited,sorry guys!

[lookfar]

Just noticed I posted the wrong link:o but the one I'm on about is on the list on the left.."Vancouver 2008" ...I must have been a wee bit excited,sorry guys!

Oh cool, look forward to seeing that one pedsi:)

[jayelowell]

Just noticed I posted the wrong link:o but the one I'm on about is on the list on the left.."Vancouver 2008" ...I must have been a wee bit excited,sorry guys!o well link you posted was a good add anyway! thank you for it!
i look forward to watching the next...

[phonicboom]

http://www.scinfo.org/rbc1.gif

I may have mentioned here and other threads that the torus is the obvious shape of the next dimension above ours as it is a spere wrapped around. It does not surprise me that it would apear a lot in nature.

I feel the earth could be torus (this alows for hollow earth too and would be easy for nasa to maipulate to be sperical with a fish eye lense :D

some things could be torus in their own demesnion but we squash them to circle in our dimension in some cases.

squse me spelling, rushing out of the house :) ......

[jayelowell]

is everyone getting this?

[lottie]

Well i watched the whole thing yesterday - the whole 8hrs in one go...couldnt switch it off!! :o im off sick so i was able to indulge in some sofa/duvet surfing!! lol!!:D

Im gobsmacked and enlightened and in awe!!

Went to sleep last night with bloody tettrahedrons flying round my mind, fitting them in, making it bigger etc....thinking about the even horizon!! Its all very interesting.... im very impressed

Does anyone know whats happened to him since? What was the name of the journals he said he was publishing his works in? Where can i get a copy? :D

Thanks jayelowell!!:)

[lookfar]

Well i watched the whole thing yesterday - the whole 8hrs in one go...couldnt switch it off!! :o im off sick so i was able to indulge in some sofa/duvet surfing!! lol!!:D

Im gobsmacked and enlightened and in awe!!

Went to sleep last night with bloody tettrahedrons flying round my mind, fitting them in, making it bigger etc....thinking about the even horizon!! Its all very interesting.... im very impressed

Does anyone know whats happened to him since? What was the name of the journals he said he was publishing his works in? Where can i get a copy? :D

Thanks jayelowell!!:)

Glad you enjoyed it babe:D I'm jealous you got to see it all in one go, I'm still only half way through & have some catching up to do now, lol!!:p

Yeah if anyone has some updated info, it would be gratefully received....:)

[cruise4]

I'm watching these again... somethings bugging me but I can't quite ascertain what it is...

What is being described here by Nassim and Rodin?

Reality?
Perception?
Conciousness?
Mathematics?
Equation?
Time?
A program?
A Simulation?

If the universe is perception, then black holes don't exist, nor planets nor anything else except as equation. If equation reflects the underlying numbers as Rodin suggests, what underpins the numbers? What is the medium? What underpins the medium?

Probably coming across as somewhat tiresome on this issue but I'm only looking for that odd input that enables a bit of insight.

[jayelowell]

Where can i get a copy? :D
you can find everything you need to know about Nassim on his website
http://theresonanceproject.org

and everything you need to know about Marko on his website
http://markorodin.com

:Dim happy you enjoyed this & hope that it can help you along with your spritual evolution:D

[jayelowell]

take time to read though this thread...

[pedsi]

Yeah if anyone has some updated info, it would be gratefully received....:)

There's a recent really good interview with Haramien here http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/06jun/RICR-080615.php from June this year,there is a 2nd part but you need so subscribe to access it....I have it on disc.:)

[jayelowell]

pedsi is right on the money!!! that page is another great contribution!

you can here the whole interview on youtube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAEJRALMIA8

[phonicboom]

http://www.scinfo.org/rbc1.gif

They say the DNA helix is not just a thread but a loop,

well,

what if we gave the loop a twist and made it from "0 shape" to "8 shape" twisted like the "infinity sign"

would we live forever????

(not that I want to :) )

[jayelowell]

please elaborate...

[phonicboom]

sorry i just got home from a long day at work (via the pub) and may not be being clear :)

erm, i just edited the post,

I'd love to elaborate but amy have to wait until tomorrow :)

--- basicallyi, if I can,,,

erm :)

they say the DNA "double helix" is actualy "wound" into a loop and the thread does not end lije the diagrams, but loop to itself...

like a 0 shape

well, what if we gave it a twist (like a mobieous loop) and made it like a sideways 8

for infinity! like the ancients told us...

maybe that is the jey to eternal live :)))))))

sorry drunk

chat tomorrow ....

[phonicboom]

**** note to myself ***


do not post when drunk :D)D)D) PP

[jayelowell]

**** note to myself ***


do not post when drunk :D)D)D) PP:Dlol

[kriss_crow]

Im somewhere in the middle of first part..dont remember, I fallen asleep.
In general - its difficult stuff for non-physic mind,
for non-English speaker even more.

I have a question: does he explain the role of "junk dna" [95% of our genetic design]

[branjo]

Good find.

[jayelowell]

I have a question: does he explain the role of "junk dna" [95% of our genetic design]yes he does... he even pokes a joke at the fact that they call it "junk"

[phonicboom]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7365305906535911834&ei=4kK6SJz7Ko3CqAO_gdHKDA&q=tao+te+ching

to get the link instead of viewing here, press "quote" then copy the link from the reply box to the address bar of your browser.

EDIT sorry this is a little off topic... the best part is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LhvpC2lsCs

kind of related to the thread but a bit off topic ;)

[middleway00]

This reminds of Jim Self's work with the octahedron and talks on spirituality.


http://www.masteringalchemy.com/

Jim Self is on the right track merging scientific knowledge with spiritual truth.

I think there are some here who will find him very valuable on their path.

Have a look. :)

[jayelowell]

http://www.freewebs.com/cropcirclelanguage/DSC0011-straight-soley-Berk.jpg

[sirlozo]

I want to watch it...but really 4 hours for part 1 alone... :(

[jayelowell]

Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library

The video is 8 hours long but isn't that time well spent to find out the truth? :D

[redtree999]

Jayelowell: Thank You:)

I had noticed you pushing this stuff lately, and decided to give it a try. I started watching part 1 yesterday morning (sunday) and ended up watching 6 hours worth throughout the day - I hardly watch that much docu stuff in a week, never mind in one day.
I finished it off this evening, and I can honestly say that I knew it would change the way I look at everything within the first hour - At the end, I could feel I was now a different person because of this new information:)

Anyone who is put off by the long running time should just take maybe 30 mins out to try it at first, and then save up 30 mins to see another session etc..I'd be surprised if you don't decide to make the following sessions 1 hour or more:)
This guy has so much stuff to say that apparently connects the dots between the dots, there is no way you could just spit this stuff out during a lunch hour - In all honesty, 8 hours was not enough.

10/10

[lottie]

Agreed...I started watching just to see if i could 'get' what he was saying easilyand before i knew it i watched the whole 8hrs throughout the day....i was hooked....im still getting withdrawal....i want more from him!! lol!! :D

[abaddon]

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb44/whatttyeahok/cutdown.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb44/whatttyeahok/glyphsbetter.jpg

From: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqW3fv0B2-0

Stumbled across vid a while ago, was originally removed but found it again by mistake. After seeing this thread, would like to share these images that have stumped me for a while now.

Thought would be appropriate in here ;)

[jayelowell]

Jayelowell: Thank You:)
This guy has so much stuff to say that apparently connects the dots between the dots,
8 hours was not enough.
connect the dots in this thread and you will find more then 8hours of information, honestly:D

i was hooked...i understand the feeling;)


Thought would be appropriate in here ;)intresting video... Please elaborate more about it!:cool:

and thanx to everybody on this forum for helping this thread evolve

[jayelowell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUDQLs4ri1M

[designzzzz]

Hi Jaye;
Thank you for posting the link, I have spent the better part of the day watching this video and searching from his site too. I am a creative artist and this information is so truthful in my mind. You know when you know kind of thing. Thanks, I am passing it on as well.
Megan

tetrahedron= infitniti
please watch the video!

[jayelowell]

Hi Jaye;
Thank you for posting the link, I have spent the better part of the day watching this video and searching from his site too. I am a creative artist and this information is so truthful in my mind. You know when you know kind of thing. Thanks, I am passing it on as well.
Meganyour welcome! & thank you!:cool:

[pedsi]

Here's a really good article on fractals from Neil Kramers blog.......I heard him on red ice a while back and thought the bloke made a lot of sense..well worth a read:)

http://thecleaver.blogspot.com/2008/06/go-your-own-way-gnosis-and-fractal.html

[jayelowell]

thank you for the link pedsi!!!
http://www.fractallicious.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/fractal1.jpg

[jayelowell]

http://theresonanceproject.org/pdf/origin_of_spin.pdf

[jayelowell]

Nassim Haramein and the Unified Field Theory (http://areveda.blogspot.com/2008/01/nassim-haramein-and-unified-field.html)

http://bp3.blogger.com/_IXLMt270Cw8/R4MDx3LPKAI/AAAAAAAACPo/84fhGLwPITM/s200/bubble1_NH.jpg (http://bp3.blogger.com/_IXLMt270Cw8/R4MDx3LPKAI/AAAAAAAACPo/84fhGLwPITM/s1600-h/bubble1_NH.jpg) Nassim Haramein was born in Geneva, Switzerland in 1962. As early as 9 years old, he was already developing the basis for a unified hyperdimensional theory of matter and energy, which he eventually called the "Holofractographic Universe."

He has spent most of his life researching the fundamental geometry of hyperspace, studying a variety of fields from theoretical physics, cosmology, quantum mechanics, biology and chemistry to anthropology and ancient civilizations.

Combining this knowledge with a keen observation of the behavior of nature, he discovered a specific geometric array that he found to be fundamental to creation, and the foundation for his Unified Field Theory emerged.

This unification theory, known as the Haramein-Rauscher metric, is a new solution to Einstein’s Field Equations that incorporates torque and Coriolis effects. Laying down the foundation of what could be a fundamental change in our current understandings of physics and consciousness, this groundbreaking theory has now been delivered to the scientific community through peer-reviewed papers and presentations at international physics conferences.

Fluent in both French and English, Mr. Haramein has been giving lectures and seminars on his unification theory for over 10 years, mostly in the U.S. and Canada. His lectures are multimedia presentations that lead his audiences through the validity of his theories with observational and theoretical data. He has presented at such institutions as the Department of Physics at Georgia Tech, the Department of Physics at Iowa State University, and Fellows of the Department of Education at the University of Montreal, and his unification model has now been delivered to the American Physical Society.

His investigation of the geometry of hyperspace combines quantum physics and cosmological understandings of universal forces with a new solution to Einstein field equations, unifying physics and integrating other sciences into a cohesive whole. Haramein's solution resulted from studies of ancient codes left in monuments and documents around the world, and may lead to some of the most important discoveries in written history.

In addition to his scientific papers, he imparts this theory in a layman's paper, a 4 DVD set entitled “Crossing the Event Horizon: Rise to the Equation,” and his international speaking tours.

In the past 20 years, Mr. Haramein has directed research teams of physicists, electrical engineers, mathematicians and other scientists. He has founded a non-profit organization, the Resonance Project Foundation (http://www.theresonanceproject.org/home.htm), where, as the Director of Research, he continues exploring unification principles and their implications in our world today.

The foundation is actively developing a research park on the island of Hawai'i where science, sustainability, green technology, and permaculture come together. Many believe that his work may lead to some of the most important scientific, philosophical and technological discoveries of our time.


READ MORE HERE

The Unified Field Theory from Haramein and Rauscher at the NanoTechnology Group (http://www.thenanotechnologygroup.org/index.cfm?Content=126)
Abstract from Nassim Haramein on The Geometry of Space (http://www.planetpuna.com/haramein-seminar/THE%20GEOMETRY%20OF%20SPACE.pdf)
Nassim Haramein on Tribe.net (http://circlesandlines.tribe.net/thread/ce055185-4d79-4d33-8622-6aeeebe5e108)
Nassim Haramein on Shift in Action (http://www.shiftinaction.com/discover/luminaries/nassim_haramein): listen to the teleseminar on Resonance, Black Holes, and the Frontiers of Physics here (http://www.shiftinaction.com/discover/teleseminars/nassim_haramein/frontiers_of_physics).
VIDEOS

Crossing the Event Horizon (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4907540922643918266) on Google
Grand Unified Field Theory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekGJC5HFDlE) on You Tube (with E. A. Rauscher, Ph.D.)
The Unified Field Theory was developed based on a specific geometric array which he has found to be fundamental to creation. This theory has now been presented to the scientific community, and his scientific papers will soon be followed by a DVD and a book for the layman entitled "Crossing the Event Horizon." E. A. Rauscher, Ph.D. (Nuclear Physics and Engineering, University of California at Berkeley). Dr. Rauscher was a nuclear scientist and researcher at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, and at Stanford Research Institute, Professor of Physics at John F. Kennedy University of California, research consultant to NASA (space shuttle program) and the U.S. Navy. Dr. Rauscher served on the Congressional OTA Advisory Committee, and has been Delegate and advisor to the United Nations.In this extraordinary DVD presentation, filmed live, Nassim will take you on a fantastic journey through the history of the evolution of humanity, pointing out inconsistencies in our concepts of physics and the rectification necessary to product a true Unification process - one that unifies the four forces of nature, biological evolution, and even the occurrence of consciousness. Astonishingly, Nassim also demonstrates that this new all-encompassing theory seems to have parallels with ancient codes left in documents and colossal monuments around the world.
See more on Crossing the Event Horizon (http://www.crossingtheeventhorizon.com/).


4 DVD PRESENTATION

Nassim Haramein's lifelong journey into the geometry of space-time has lead to a coherent understanding of the fundamental structure of the universe.
In this 4 DVD presentation (http://www.theresonanceproject.org/products/dvd.htm), Nassim will take you on a journey through humanity's evolution,exposing the changes necessary to produce an all-encompassing Unified Physics; a unification of not only the four forces of nature,but also evolution and the occurrence of consciousness. Demonstrating the parallels between this theory and ancient codes found in documents and monuments, Nassim weaves a tale which may prove to be one of the most important discoveries of our time. Have you ever wondered why those science classes were at all important? Were you ever curious about the mysteries of Ancient Egypt? What about the modern mystery of crop circles?

These DVDs explore all of the above as well as the following:

DVD 1: The Search for the Fundamental Pattern - Dimensions of Geometry, Chemistry, Scaling Law, Biology, Principle of Unification, Pyramids
DVD 2: From Micro to Macro – Unifying the Field - Geometry, Structure of the Vacuum, Crop circles
DVD 3: Everything is a Black “Whole”Ancient Egypt, Archeology, Black Wholes/White Wholes
DVD 4: Unlocking the Mystery – The Future is in Our Hands - Bible, The Arc of the Covenant, Knights Templar, Emmanuel's Tomb, Kabbalah, Tree of Life Decoded

[phonicboom]

anyone found torrent of all the DVD's?

[jayelowell]

i had to upload it to my youtube channel:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVFCrLoczFU

[jayelowell]

i tranformed my youtube channel into a teaching tool for others to learn from...
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayelowell

[branjo]

Apparently he is losing funding, probably due to downloading his stuff instead of buying it lol. This, I will pay for.;)

[jayelowell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B7XVbHYAt4

[deafbred]

with ll this talk of ....oil and water being precious resources that must be conserved...Im starting to think that maybe, just maybe, water is being created all the time, the same thing with oil.

That there is no limit.

[jayelowell]

^deafbred you gotta elaborate more what you mean... are you reffering to the talk that pedsi posted?
thnx

[jayelowell]

This, I will pay for.;)
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/06jun/CTEH.jpg

[jayelowell]

this information is what we are waking up to!!!

[jayelowell]

are you still with me??

[_invisibleplane_]

yep! infinitely so!

http://www.freewebs.com/arisein/PIC%205.jpg


I'm glad people around you are responding well to the info, I've gotten some interested, while others are simply too lazy to watch a video- but its their loss of course

[jayelowell]

you just put a big smile on my face!

[deafbred]

deafbred: "with with all this talk of ....oil and water being precious resources that must be conserved...Im starting to think that maybe, just maybe, water is being created all the time, the same thing with oil".

"That there is no limit".

^deafbred you gotta elaborate more what you mean... are you reffering to the talk that pedsi posted?
thnx

i know jesus said a certian something about eternal water

[kblood]

with ll this talk of ....oil and water being precious resources that must be conserved...Im starting to think that maybe, just maybe, water is being created all the time, the same thing with oil.

That there is no limit.

When it comes to water I am somewhat certain that is true. An atlas shows how the world today looks and is in itself somewhat proof of all the continents having been one at some point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_Earth_theory

I am not really sure why, but it seems most scientists are against that theory, although I have a hard time seeing what exactly counters that theory when the proof seems quite clear. We dont exactly know how or when Earth expanded, if its still expanding or have any scientific proof of it expanding today. But when looking at the oceans today, like the model on the page shows:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Growing_earth.gif

Its most likely water which were the cause of the expansion, and that must have been from inside Earth. I wouldnt be surprised if the missing pieces to the growing Earth theory is Hollow Earth theory and the impact that would have on todays theories as to how and what Earth really is.

Conspiracy of Science - Earth is in fact growing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ)

Some good links about Hollow Earth:
http://www.holloworbs.com/ (the links are in this link :) )

Uhh, this is interesting:
http://www.holloworbs.com/cavern_worlds.htm

Lots of stuff about underground cavern systems. I have been looking for stuff about this, and there is a wealth of information about it right here :)


Some stuff about what NWO controlled NASA wants us to believe:
http://www.livescience.com/environment/070228_beijing_anomoly.html

http://www.livescience.com/images/generic_earth_layers_03.gif

How the Earth is inside according to NASA.

Some stuff about the origin of water:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ifXdTYn5o

Im looking for more stuff about the origin of water. It seems the fumes from magma is probably the source of water. Hard to find much about it, but mainstream science actually claim that all water on Earth came from meteors or comets... wtf? So we got this 70% of Earths surface being water, and maybe even more so inside Earth, and it all just came from space?

Im really amazed at the weak attempts there have been to disprove the expanding Earth theory. I havent read or heard anything that is any good at disproving it. Its also amazing to see in comments to this expanding earth theory how many just dismisses it completely without a second thought, believing what we already have been told as the only possible truth. Really shows how easy it is to control what we believe.

[branjo]

The Idea of hollow earth is an amazing one but Im not sold on the total hollow earth theory yet. Huge underground caverns ? sure that makes sense but the central sun idea is a bit far fetched for me, whether it be a black/white hole I just don't know. Like Haramein says there has got to be a central singularity that we are all connected to thus making our reality an actual reality, something purposeful in nature and not just a dream.

There has to be vast cave networks that have been expanded by the military of the world for other means and if you have ever seen the UFO "Rods" then it lends support to underground dwelling intelligent life. These things just shoot up from underground like birds that can pass through matter like air or water, quite weird they look like small missiles from a fighter jet but they have an intelligence of their own.

As for the water, or the deluge, after Tsarion put forward the theory of asteroids from the asteroid belt being mostly frozen water, then then after the huge war between the Alantians and Lemurians which disrupted the planets axis and broadened the orbit of the earth by some 50 extra days a year then huge frozen asteroids of water were sucked to earth turning back into water as they passed through the atmosphere, apparently the raining for 40 days and nights is a mis translation, it should read it "poured" for 40 days and nights, maybe like huge mile wide funnels of water filling up the earth, which was the most traumatic time for human beings to witness something that immense. Maybe this is why some people are born with a morbid fear of water when never having had a bad experience in their own lifetime, because it happened in another life and has been imprinted deep in the memory through many or all lives to come.

If you want a good read on hollow earth then here is Admiral B Byrds Flight log below, most entertaining read. Im not saying its fact or fiction but it certainly does get the juices flowing.

Admiral Richard B. Byrd's Diary (Feb. Mar. 1947 )

The exploration flight over the North Pole
( The Inner Earth My Secret Diary )


I must write this diary in secrecy and obscurity. It con cerns my Arctic flight of the nineteenth day of February in the year of Nineteen and Forty Seven.

There comes a time when the rationality of men must fade into insignificance and one must accept the inevitability of the Truth! I am not at liberty to disclose the following documenta tion at this writing ...perhaps it shall never see the light of public scrutiny, but I must do my duty and record here for all to read one day. In a world of greed and exploitation of certain of mankind can no longer suppress that which is truth.



FLIGHT LOG: BASE CAMP ARCTIC, 2/19/1947

0600 Hours- All preparations are complete for our flight north ward and we are airborne with full fuel tanks at 0610 Hours.

0620 Hours- fuel mixture on starboard engine seems too rich, adjustment made and Pratt Whittneys are running smoothly.

0730 Hours- Radio Check with base camp. All is well and radio reception is normal.

0740 Hours- Note slight oil leak in starboard engine, oil pres sure indicator seems normal, however.

0800 Hours- Slight turbulence noted from easterly direction at altitude of 2321 feet, correction to 1700 feet, no further turbu lence, but tail wind increases, slight adjustment in throttle controls, aircraft performing very well now.

0815 Hours- Radio Check with base camp, situation normal.

0830 Hours- Turbulence encountered again, increase altitude to 2900 feet, smooth flight conditions again.

0910 Hours- Vast Ice and snow below, note coloration of yellowish nature, and disperse in a linear pattern. Altering course foe a better examination of this color pattern below, note reddish or purple color also. Circle this area two full turns and return to assigned compass heading. Position check made again to base camp, and relay information concerning colorations in the Ice and snow below.

0910 Hours- Both Magnetic and Gyro compasses beginning to gyrate and wobble, we are unable to hold our heading by instrumentation. Take bearing with Sun compass, yet all seems well. The controls are seemingly slow to respond and have sluggish quality, but there is no indication of Icing!

0915 Hours- In the distance is what appears to be mountains.

0949 Hours- 29 minutes elapsed flight time from the first sight ing of the mountains, it is no illusion. They are mountains and consisting of a small range that I have never seen before!

0955 Hours- Altitude change to 2950 feet, encountering strong turbulence again.

1000 Hours- We are crossing over the small mountain range and still proceeding northward as best as can be ascertained. Beyond the mountain range is what appears to be a valley with a small river or stream running through the center portion. There should be no green valley below! Something is definitely wrong and abnormal here! We should be over Ice and Snow! To the portside are great forests growing on the mountain slopes. Our navigation Instruments are still spinning, the gyroscope is oscillating back and forth!

1005 Hours- I alter altitude to 1400 feet and execute a sharp left turn to better examine the valley below. It is green with either moss or a type of tight knit grass. The Light here seems different. I cannot see the Sun anymore. We make another left turn and we spot what seems to be a large animal of some kind below us. It appears to be an elephant! NO!!! It looks more like a mammoth! This is incredible! Yet, there it is! Decrease altitude to 1000 feet and take binoculars to better examine the animal. It is confirmed - it is definitely a mammoth-like ani mal! Report this to base camp.

1030 Hours- Encountering more rolling green hills now. The external temperature indicator reads 74 degrees Fahrenheit! Continuing on our heading now. Navigation instruments seem normal now. I am puzzled over their actions. Attempt to contact base camp. Radio is not functioning!

1130 Hours- Countryside below is more level and normal (if I may use that word). Ahead we spot what seems to be a city!!!! This is impossible! Aircraft seems light and oddly buoyant. The controls refuse to respond!! My GOD!!! Off our port and star board wings are a strange type of aircraft. They are closing rapidly alongside! They are disc-shaped and have a radiant quality to them. They are close enough now to see the markings on them. It is a type of Swastika!!! This is fantastic. Where are we! What has happened. I tug at the controls again. They will not respond!!!! We are caught in an invisible vice grip of some type!

1135 Hours- Our radio crackles and a voice comes through in English with what perhaps is a slight Nordic or Germanic accent! The message is: 'Welcome, Admiral, to our domain. We shall land you in exactly seven minutes! Relax, Admiral, you are in good hands.' I note the engines of our plane have stopped running! The aircraft is under some strange control and is now turning itself. The controls are useless.

1140 Hours- Another radio message received. We begin the landing process now, and in moments the plane shudders slightly, and begins a descent as though caught in some great unseen elevator! The downward motion is negligible, and we touch down with only a slight jolt!

1145 Hours- I am making a hasty last entry in the flight log. Several men are approaching on foot toward our aircraft. They are tall with blond hair. In the distance is a large shimmering city pulsating with rainbow hues of color. I do not know what is going to happen now, but I see no signs of weapons on those approaching. I hear now a voice ordering me by name to open the cargo door. I comply. END LOG


From this point I write all the following events here from memory. It defies the imagination and would seem all but madness if it had not happened.

The radioman and I are taken from the aircraft and we are re ceived in a most cordial manner. We were then boarded on a small platform-like conveyance with no wheels! It moves us toward the glowing city with great swiftness. As we approach, the city seems to be made of a crystal material. Soon we arrive at a large building that is a type I have never seen before. It appears to be right out of the design board of Frank Lloyd Wright, or perhaps more correctly, out of a Buck Rogers setting!! We are given some type of warm beverage which tasted like nothing I have ever savored before. It is delicious. After about ten minutes, two of our wondrous appearing hosts come to our quarters and announce that I am to accompany them. I have no choice but to comply. I leave my radioman behind and we walk a short dis tance and enter into what seems to be an elevator. We descend downward for some moments, the machine stops, and the door lifts silently upward! We then proceed down a long hallway that is lit by a rose-colored light that seems to be emanating from the very walls themselves! One of the beings motions for us to stop before a great door. Over the door is an inscription that I cannot read. The great door slides noiselessly open and I am beckoned to enter. One of my hosts speaks. 'Have no fear, Admiral, you are to have an audience with the Master...'

I step inside and my eyes adjust to the beautiful coloration that seems to be filling the room completely. Then I begin to see my sur roundings. What greeted my eyes is the most beautiful sight of my entire existence. It is in fact too beautiful and wondrous to describe. It is exquisite and delicate. I do not think there exists a human term that can describe it in any detail with justice! My thoughts are interrupted in a cordial manner by a warm rich voice of melodious quality, 'I bid you welcome to our domain, Admiral.' I see a man with delicate features and with the etching of years upon his face. He is seated at a long table. He motions me to sit down in one of the chairs. After I am seated, he places his fingertips together and smiles. He speaks softly again, and conveys the following.

'We have let you enter here because you are of noble character and well-known on the Surface World, Admiral.' Surface World, I half-gasp under my breath! 'Yes," the Master replies with a smile, 'you are in the domain of the Arianni, the Inner World of the Earth. We shall not long delay your mission, and you will be safely escorted back to the surface and for a distance beyond. But now, Admiral, I shall tell you why you have been summoned here. Our interest rightly begins just after your race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. It was at that alarm ing time we sent our flying machines, the "Flugelrads", to your surface world to investigate what your race had done. That is, of course, past history now, my dear Admiral, but I must continue on. You see, we have never interfered before in your race's wars, and barbarity, but now we must, for you have learned to tamper with a certain power that is not for man, namely, that of atomic energy. Our emissaries have already delivered messages to the powers of your world, and yet they do not heed. Now you have been chosen to be witness here that our world does exist. You see, our Culture and Science is many thousands of years beyond your race, Admiral.' I interrupted, 'But what does this have to do with me, Sir?'

The Master's eyes seemed to penetrate deeply into my mind, and after studying me for a few moments he replied, 'Your race has now reached the point of no return, for there are those among you who would destroy your very world rather than relinquish their power as they know it...' I nodded, and the Master continued, 'In 1945 and afterward, we tried to contact your race, but our efforts were met with hostility, our Flugelrads were fired upon. Yes, even pursued with malice and animosity by your fighter planes. So, now, I say to you, my son, there is a great storm gathering in your world, a black fury that will not spend itself for many years. There will be no answer in your arms, there will be no safety in your science. It may rage on until every flower of your culture is trampled, and all human things are leveled in vast chaos. Your recent war was only a prelude of what is yet to come for your race. We here see it more clearly with each hour..do you say I am mistaken?'

'No,' I answer, 'it happened once before, the dark ages came and they lasted for more than five hundred years.'

'Yes, my son,' replied the Master, 'the dark ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall, but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will be here, my son, safe in our keeping. When that time arrives, we shall come forward again to help revive your culture and your race. Perhaps, by then, you will have learned the futility of war and its strife...and after that time, certain of your culture and science will be returned for your race to begin anew. You, my son, are to return to the Surface World with this message.....'

With these closing words, our meeting seemed at an end. I stood for a moment as in a dream....but, yet, I knew this was reality, and for some strange reason I bowed slightly, either out of respect or humility, I do not know which.

Suddenly, I was again aware that the two beautiful hosts who had brought me here were again at my side. 'This way, Admiral,' motioned one. I turned once more before leaving and looked back toward the Master. A gentle smile was etched on his delicate and ancient face. 'Farewell, my son,' he spoke, then he gestured with a lovely, slender hand a motion of peace and our meeting was truly ended.

Quickly, we walked back through the great door of the Master's chamber and once again entered into the elevator. The door slid silently downward and we were at once going upward. One of my hosts spoke again, 'We must now make haste, Admiral, as the Master desires to delay you no longer on your scheduled timetable and you must return with his message to your race.'

I said nothing. All of this was almost beyond belief, and once again my thoughts were interrupted as we stopped. I entered the room and was again with my radioman. He had an anxious expres sion on his face. As I approached, I said, 'It is all right, Howie, it is all right.' The two beings motioned us toward the awaiting conveyance, we boarded, and soon arrived back at the aircraft. The engines were idling and we boarded immediately. The whole atmosphere seemed charged now with a certain air of urgency. After the cargo door was closed the aircraft was imme diately lifted by that unseen force until we reached an altitude of 2700 feet. Two of the aircraft were alongside for some dis tance guiding us on our return way. I must state here, the airspeed indicator registered no reading, yet we were moving along at a very rapid rate.

215 Hours- A radio message comes through. 'We are leaving you now, Admiral, your controls are free. Auf Wiedersehen!!!!' We watched for a moment as the flugelrads disappeared into the pale blue sky.

The aircraft suddenly felt as though caught in a sharp downdraft for a moment. We quickly recovered her control. We do not speak for some time, each man has his thoughts....

ENTRY IN FLIGHT LOG CONTINUES:

220 Hours- We are again over vast areas of ice and snow, and approximately 27 minutes from base camp. We radio them, they respond. We report all conditions normal....normal. Base camp expresses relief at our re-established contact.

300 Hours- We land smoothly at base camp. I have a mission.....

END LOG ENTRIES.

March 11, 1947. I have just attended a staff meeting at the Pentagon. I have stated fully my discovery and the message from the Master. All is duly recorded. The President has been ad vised. I am now detained for several hours (six hours, thirty- nine minutes, to be exact.) I am interviewed intently by Top Security Forces and a medical team. It was an ordeal!!!! I am placed under strict control via the national security provisions of this United States of America. I am ORDERED TO REMAIN SILENT IN REGARD TO ALL THAT I HAVE LEARNED, ON THE BEHALF OF HUMANITY1111 Incredible! I am reminded that I am a military man and I must obey orders.

30/12/56: FINAL ENTRY:

These last few years elapsed since 1947 have not been kind...I now make my final entry in this singular diary. In closing, I must state that I have faithfully kept this matter secret as directed all these years. It has been completely against my values of moral right. Now, I seem to sense the long night coming on and this secret will not die with me, but as all truth shall, it will triumph and so it shall.

This can be the only hope for mankind. I have seen the truth and it has quickened my spirit and has set me free! I have done my duty toward the monstrous military industrial complex. Now, the long night begins to approach, but there shall be no end. Just as the long night of the Arctic ends, the brilliant sunshine of Truth shall come again....and those who are of darkness shall fall in it's Light..FOR I HAVE SEEN THAT LAND BEYOND THE POLE, THAT CENTER OF THE GREAT UNKNOWN.

Admiral Richard E. Byrd
United States Navy
24 December 1956

[jayelowell]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h299/geological/Earth_Space_Time.jpg

[jayelowell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvM_YAwX4I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG9FO7JGWq4

[cruise4]

I found the Ark of the Covenant stuff very interesting. The Geo-political manouverings could relate to such an artifact being imminently unveiled. I also wonder if it's re-placed in the Pyramid, which I believe may be the Zero co-ordinate of the Global Grid, would it power up the whole lot bringing all the other megalithic structures around the planet online?

I read a science fiction book, part of a series, about an afterworld. Upon death you awoke on the banks of a large river. Nearby were stone 'grails' and at certain times of the day certain necessities of life would appear upon them, such as food.

This would also answer the question about why ancient civilisations seemed to know advanced science but there are no signs of industrialisation. They didn't need it as they had an 'Energy to Matter' converter... The Ark of the Covenant.

Could Hitler have actually been looking for a soul of pure heart to 'operate' this thing? Did he think Jews were more likely candidates? Were people just being exposed blindly to the Covenant? Is the Anti-christ the search for a dark side 'operator'?

[branjo]

I found the Ark of the Covenant stuff very interesting. The Geo-political manouverings could relate to such an artifact being imminently unveiled. I also wonder if it's re-placed in the Pyramid, which I believe may be the Zero co-ordinate of the Global Grid, would it power up the whole lot bringing all the other megalithic structures around the planet online?

I read a science fiction book, part of a series, about an afterworld. Upon death you awoke on the banks of a large river. Nearby were stone 'grails' and at certain times of the day certain necessities of life would appear upon them, such as food.

This would also answer the question about why ancient civilisations seemed to know advanced science but there are no signs of industrialisation. They didn't need it as they had an 'Energy to Matter' converter... The Ark of the Covenant.

Could Hitler have actually been looking for a soul of pure heart to 'operate' this thing? Did he think Jews were more likely candidates? Were people just being exposed blindly to the Covenant? Is the Anti-christ the search for a dark side 'operator'?

Absolutely you have to ask why would Hitler be fascinated with things like this if he didn't believe in them, it wasn't just a past time, it basically consumed him. Some even believe that he found away into hollow earth and took a huge amount of his people with him, like 2000 scientist were not accounted for after the war. cool stuff

[jayelowell]

here's a great thread about the ARK by tfx08, he has be pushing this thread quite heavily!!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34119

[kguk]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJBO7DKqPM

Billy Connolly explains infinitely small and the inner universe for the layman :D

[pedsi]

Excellent add there mate...really adds to the feel good factor of the thread.:)

Go on!! The Big Yin:D

[jayelowell]

Excellent add there mate...really adds to the feel good factor of the thread.:Dagreed!

[indrasnet]

thanks for the link, great work that i havent seen before. Im a big fan of 64, the DNA codons, the I Ching Hexagrams, Tarot attributions, and its square root-8. Turn 8 on its side and its infiniti, the numeric symbol preludes the double helix, its roots in the caudeuces, the octagon representing earth and space being a square in a circle also has Microcosm/Macrocosm Contraction/Expansion roots. As well as our lungs contracting Air and expanding air, be well thansks for the link

[jayelowell]

your welcome & thank you for joining us! enjoy the forum/thread!

[jayelowell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0tVjmHhnCo

[phonicboom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0tVjmHhnCo
what? :) subliminal projection of "there is something out there" ??

all photos of space are;

1) from a telescope and pretty meaningless
2) electric plasmas in a laboratory given perspective to look like whatever they want to convince us of
3) computer generated

consequently all thought of aliens "out there" are;

1) brought on by mason produced movies from Spielberg and Lucas and co
2) fantasy
3) missing the amazing aliens at home such as the highly intelligent killer whale, who, whilst very very smart, with a huge vocabulary - we stall can't communicate with.

geometry is;
1) interesting
2) the map not the territory
3) a product of our mind

so;
1) it's all good to look out with a fractal map
2) but don't forget to look in
3) the source of all, alien, killer whale, person, plant, planet 'is it'. and the outside manifestations are nothing but maya.

there is no end, there is no alien invasion. they want you to believe that but it is pure manufactured phantacy, the universe, by having no finite self, remains infinite, it can not end as it never began.

Ok it's cooool to think of fractals, geometry and so on, very cooool indeed, yet all of that should be a tool to realising that the "truth" pedaled by establishment is gash. Alien invasions, anything based on findings of NASA (nazi vatican) is bunk. Beware with project blue beam and so on that they would love you to be looking "out there" right now, focusing on the fantasy as they are going to fulfill it as best as possible. Truth is not finding a god or guru or saviour alien race - it is finding the truth within :)

like we don't follow government, we should not follow their agencies or science or religion or anything. An enlightened one did not follow anyone else.

I meant all that in the nicest possible way and it is just chat not telling anyone what to think :) just putting over an alternative view to the discussion ;)

[jayelowell]

i just like the video, i didnt know where to put it so i put it here!

[phonicboom]

i just like the video, i didnt know where to put it so i put it here!

yeah, why not it's fun :) I wasn't talking to you directly, just voicing a concern.

elsewhere i am seeing a lot of people going for "the world is going to end", "end of this, end of that", "nuclear war", "WWIV", "Aliens are coming", and so on. I want do do what I can to show them that there is a lot of manipulation to that ends.

Truly the outlook is positive - at least a positive outlook leads to positive things, and fear to fear.

with all that going on, many truthers are jumping from one falsehood and straight clinging to another. I do know that the outlook of new physics and spirituality are positive things, I just don't want my two favourite thigs to be hijacked by fear and negativity.

Again this wasn't in direct relation to a fun video, just to point out to those who are reading theses forums and perhaps thinking it's all bad, to see quite the opposite is the case if they keep on learning :)

[jayelowell]

i just watched a wonderful movie that fits so perfectly with the loads of information in this thread!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QlZ5O8_bGk

[pedsi]

A couple of sketches I've done!

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1889/pictureme002be3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6096/pictureme003hs9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[pedsi]

Better size hopefully..

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http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/6228/pictureme002pn3.th.jpg (http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pictureme002pn3.jpg)

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8303/pictureme003im8.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pictureme003im8.jpg)

[jayelowell]

awsome art pedsi!!!

[kblood]

Im still wondering where water comes from. The two only theories I have read about is either meteors or comets bringing it to Earth from some far away part of the galaxy. The other is possible the fumes from magma, which seems somewhat more likely, a chemical reaction within our planet.

Anyone know of other possible explanations? Seems a bit unlikely that such a massive and very important part of the ecosystem and life on this planet just came from meteors.

If water comes from fumes of magma, and oil comes from dead bodies, then it seems likely that these ressources are not at all as finite as we are lead to believe. Same goes for all natural ressources.

[beldazar]

hmm....ok so we have the oxygen part in the air so where does the hydrogen come from, any ideas?
Then how would they fuse together? (Boy! Do I wish I paid attention in school)

[thenightmare]

hmm....ok so we have the oxygen part in the air so where does the hydrogen come from, any ideas?
Then how would they fuse together? (Boy! Do I wish I paid attention in school)

Well, the air isnt just pure oxygen. It is also mixed in with a ton of other elements. The most abundant element in the universe is hydrogen so i would assume it is mixed in with our air. To fuse the elements together you have to reach a certain temperature to reach the activation energy for a reaction to start. Or they could fuse by a catalyst to break apart the molecules in the elements so they can combine. This is according to the information i got from my chemistry book.

Ill have to set off a few hours to watch those long videos. They seem like they are worth the time so thanks jayelowell for posting them.

[beldazar]

oh yes of course! Hydrogen is in the air too! Maybe kblood is onto something and it does come out from magma?

[cruise4]

Didn't Nassim say water is the link over the event horizon? It's thermal properties are reversed... heat makes it smaller and Cold makes it bigger. I also thought he said water is discharged from sunspots. So it's a hyperdimensional substance.

Is a black hole cold and a white hole warm? What state might water be prior to the expansion side? Is there a role for steam? What information exchange takes place, and how? Does water contain fractal memory?

And can someone just confirm that the event horizon of a black hole is the actual 'edge' of the black hole, as oppose to the centre, for example.

[jayelowell]

I believe water is a primary to our existence. Our true self is our conciousness and it is like water. When we cool down we solidify & as we heat up we liquify!!!

maybe we should all study more about the discovery of Dr. Masaru Emoto.
everyone of my post on this forum is a black whole...

[branjo]

As far as i know the event horizon is the point of no return, when you cross the boundary were the gravity pulling you in is so great than not even light can escape it.

with regards to the heat of a black/white I would guess the white hole is hot due to its nature being to radiate and the black hole would be probably the exact opposite or they are both the same temps...lol not much of an answer. Looking at the sun spot activity and with those being black in a sea of fire I would assume the black hole is very cold or just void of heat, the exact opposite in the nature of radiation.

Fractal memory of water, you mean like, http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snowflakecp4.jpg

[deafbred]

this forum rocks!

man just think what we could have accomplished if we were left to our own devices, while wee were in school.

[branjo]

Absolutely, imagine if we were told the truth or even just truthful facts when we were young. I teach my kid all this stuff now, so fingers crossed the sun doesn't fry us all in 2012 I hope he will grow up with a far broader understanding of the world than I did at his age. With people being honest to their kids now even by saying "sorry, I just don't know", is better than making up or carrying on an unproven theory or story.

Either way it is a very exciting time to be alive. I like the idea of everyone who is alive now has chosen to be alive at such an important event as 2012, like we all have a specific task to do to improve or usher in a new phase of evolution.

BTW isnt it today they are going to try and open an artificial Black hole via firing 2 protons exactly into one another somewhere. That has an element of risk to it

[jayelowell]

http://www.universityofsedona.com/requests/hands-higher-consciousness.jpg

[jayelowell]

http://www.smeddum.net/images/articles/torus.gif

http://theresonanceproject.org/products.html