Physicist Nassim Haramein-

[musten]

Nassim Haramein at NCAR, Boulder, 29 June 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb0kR2TPbmY)

Questions

[branjo]

I like it when people ask something that I would love to ask him. I have heard the the part when he says about people who stop dreaming could die, before, does anyone know the origin of that?

[monkeyboy]

I like it when people ask something that I would love to ask him. I have heard the the part when he says about people who stop dreaming could die, before, does anyone know the origin of that?

i am not sure but i think prion diseases like cjd,fatal insomnia and a few others.

Prion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[carlperkins]

Hey Jayelowell, thanks for bringing Nassim Haramein to my attention, although I see it has taken me over a year to get this thread! The crop circle part is pretty cool! I hope he's not been taken for a sucker on that. And he does mention "hope" which I'm still questioning since Icke went on about it.
CP

[liami]

I think that this thread may be taught to the future generations, as the time we started to make sense of our reality and advance (evolve) despite the machinations of tptb, am only on page 131 an its taken me 2weeks so far, an i have lists of links to study, yet i am happy to realise,1...i'm not crazy and the energy i can feel is real,2...that all of you are out there,(some more out there than others) but apparently that is where the truth resides. On a more thread relevent note, i KNOW that there is a benevolent force out there cos thats what woke me up 9 dec 08 while driving to tesco, listening to my ipod, no meditation or focus on chackra's, tho the feeling did go thru the top of my head an just kept going, this experience felt divine and am quite keen to recreate it,infinite love is a powerfull thing. The GREAT work being done on this forum to anlyise and explain the math, physics,spiritual,and overall view to the less scientific and mathematically inclined is a monument to humanity in our limited form,THANK YOU ALL from the bottom of my black hole.

[branjo]

I think that this thread may be taught to the future generations, as the time we started to make sense of our reality and advance (evolve) despite the machinations of tptb, am only on page 131 an its taken me 2weeks so far, an i have lists of links to study, yet i am happy to realise,1...i'm not crazy and the energy i can feel is real,2...that all of you are out there,(some more out there than others) but apparently that is where the truth resides. On a more thread relevent note, i KNOW that there is a benevolent force out there cos thats what woke me up 9 dec 08 while driving to tesco, listening to my ipod, no meditation or focus on chackra's, tho the feeling did go thru the top of my head an just kept going, this experience felt divine and am quite keen to recreate it,infinite love is a powerfull thing. The GREAT work being done on this forum to anlyise and explain the math, physics,spiritual,and overall view to the less scientific and mathematically inclined is a monument to humanity in our limited form,THANK YOU ALL from the bottom of my black hole.

Only thing left to say to that is,


:)

[carlperkins]

Okay, I've not had time to read the whole thread yet (over 2000 comments!) but I am about 6 hours into the videos of Nassim and I have a question. He says we are still, not moving, and quiet in the centre of our universe, but also that we can look at where we have corkscrewed through space with regression work. Are we still or do we move? Help!

[revolutionary_jam]

New play list
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[branjo]

Okay, I've not had time to read the whole thread yet (over 2000 comments!) but I am about 6 hours into the videos of Nassim and I have a question. He says we are still, not moving, and quiet in the centre of our universe, but also that we can look at where we have corkscrewed through space with regression work. Are we still or do we move? Help!

He is saying that in an infinite amount of Universes you are the absolute perfect center of one, as in a Universe within a Universe so on and so on.

We are very much hurtling through space in a spiral motion.


ooooh post 2009, hmmmm yeah :p

[yopp]

carlperkins : Okay, I've not had time to read the whole thread yet (over 2000 comments!) but I am about 6 hours into the videos of Nassim and I have a question. He says we are still, not moving, and quiet in the centre of our universe, but also that we can look at where we have corkscrewed through space with regression work. Are we still or do we move? Help!


He is saying that in an infinite amount of Universes you are the absolute perfect center of one, as in a Universe within a Universe so on and so on.

We are very much hurtling through space in a spiral motion.


ooooh post 2009, hmmmm yeah :p

One point I would also add to that is this:

In Nassim's model the center of all black/white "wholes" (singularities) is stillness. Radiating outward from the center (singularity) is the radiating spin of matter just like you see in hurricanes and galaxies. The still point is found in the center.

Although to me it seems like there must also still be spin within this vacuum center. Maybe at the absolute single point of the center is absolute stillness, but maybe there is no way to actually know that for sure.
Seems to me there must always be spin.

Anyway in our galaxy we are located in the spiral arm of our galaxy so we are actually spiraling through space at an unbelievable rate of speed.

Are we still or do we move? Answer is both at the same time.:)

Look back at ourselves from a smaller scale resolution and you will find that within every single one of our particles is the same spiraling creation of matter radiating outwardly at the same time contracting inwardly holding its self all together and at the center is a single point of stillness.
This is the "big bang" happening continually never ending never beginning.

The electromagnetic field is the radiating force at the same time the gravitational field is the contracting force and this self organizes into the dual torus topology.
http://www.theresonanceproject.org/images/graphics/dualtorus.gif

[musten]

Marko Rodin w/ Nassim Haramein & Jamie Buturff

[branjo]

Marko Rodin w/ Nassim Haramein & Jamie Buturff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzWN6fS_ISI)

Is there only one part? I can't find anymore and I was just getting into that, damn.

Good find though.

Thanks

[fr0sty]

very nice video :D

[branjo]

At first it looked like they were at a bar, and with the camera having that tunnel vision feel, it was like being drunk and listening to them. Any minute I was expecting the camera to just pan down and throw up on some shoes...lol.

Bet ya Marko and Nassim would talk some serious shit if they got a few drinks in them.

Who do you think would win in a fight.

I think Rodin would pull hair :D

[musten]

I think Rodin would win. Don't you have the impresion that Rodin is ill or too weak?

Nassim and Rodin knew each other, in the video they are talking about and that Nassim experimented with the Rodin coil. Nassim is now living in Hawaii and Rodin was.

Rodin is very well informed person, he says he doesn't want to live or stay in the USA. Nassim seems that is building a device or something but doesn't want to say about it.

The camera seems to be a "hiddencamera" to not give the impresion that are being filmed or something, just a guy stands up in front of them, so they can talk "careless".

More videos and the lectures would be great. :p

[branjo]

He did look a lot thiner now that you mention it, but then that first google video was in the early 90's I think, someone mentioned it in the thread a while back when it was made so its nearing the 20 year mark.

More would be great, when I saw the "Part 1" in the title I thought sweet! and my face got longer when I couldn't find any more. :(

[musten]

More would be great, when I saw the "Part 1" in the title I thought sweet! and my face got longer when I couldn't find any more. :(

Part 2

Subscribe to that youtube channel, is the one that is posting the lastest Rodin videos.

Very funny the conventional scientist asking if it is a computer presentation and Marko sitting them on the bed just to talk, and the first question to him is if he made a copyright. lol

[branjo]

Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz_4ePRHT9U)

Subscribe to that youtube channel, is the one that is posting the lastest Rodin videos.

Very funny the conventional scientist asking if it is a computer presentation and Marko sitting them on the bed just to talk, and the first question to him is if he made a copyright. lol

Nice one!

Just watched it, great stuff.

The guy at the end asking "are you going to patent it", Rodin says "no", guy says "so you just want to help mankind?"
Must be weird for them hearing guy explain his life's work and yet wants absolutely nothing for it, the way it should be.
You can almost here the Cha Ching sounds in their minds lol.

I will be checking this channel to get the rest of it.

Thanks again Musten

[fr0sty]

Part 3
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[myeika]

Great thread + great information.....
Thank you for sharing...
With Love

[fr0sty]

part 4

part 5

[mane]

:) pt.6 YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[myeika]

Hi.

I saw this posted in another thread....

Doesnt this go along similar lines of what Nassim was saying?
Or have I got it wrong?
I have so far found Nassim's stuff very interesting, and just love the science, even tho I have never been interested in sciens stuff like this before.....
Strange how you can change when your understanding of things expands!

Click here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ar-system.html)

Your views?

[fr0sty]

part 7
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[monkeyboy]

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/20857.asp

Integrated consciousness is a mathematical fractal of infinite dimensional space-time

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Integrated consciousness is a mathematical fractal of infinite dimensional space-time
India Daily Technology Team
Aug. 2, 2009

A fractal is generally a rough or fragmented geometric shape that can be split into parts, each of which is (at least approximately) a reduced-size copy of the whole. Simply put, fractals are often considered to be infinitely complex. Fractals can have exact self similraity or statistical self similarity. A mathematical fractal is based on an equation that undergoes iteration, a form of feedback based on recursion.

Integrated consciousness is a mathematical fractal of infinite dimensional space-time. The spacetime is a set with infinite dimensionality. The dimensionality is not simply infinite, it is also hierarchal. The dimensions have different weights and some weigh much heavier than others depending on instances. Therefore the final overall sum can be finite depending on a specific spatial configuration of the universe in consideration. Integrated consciousness can be visualized mathematically as a collection of totally disjoint points and therefore discrete, but this is not ordinary discrete, they are transfinitely discrete and have the cardinality of the continuum. Thus, an instance in the integrated consiousness is not an ordinary point in infinte space-time. Integrated consciousness can be modeled with combinatorics. It is possible to drive the four dimensionality of spacetime from a basic assumption about the topology of integrated consciousness.

Integrated consciousness exists as fractal of infinite dimensional space-time. A specific rendering can be in our terrestrial space-time configuration – three special dimensions and one unidirectional time dimension. However, in reality it exists in every space-time configurations. In other words it spans across all the universes, hyperspace, even the chilled flat universe that acts as the foundation.

[fr0sty]

part 8
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[fr0sty]

PART 9 final
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[yopp]

Wow what a cool show!

Thanks for that fr0sty.:)

[branjo]

Totally agree, really nice to see them in a relaxed atmosphere I enjoyed the vids thoroughly.
It was good to hear Nassim be critical of the device and not just humor the guy by saying wow that's cool, but giving him the physicist POV.

Man I would absolutely love to see Nassim Haramein and Bruce Lipton together in a discussion, that would be so freaking interesting.

[existenz]

Nassim obviously knows his stuff. Note in part 8 when he is explaining stuff how Rodin is silent all the time. I know Rodin is not a physicist but still he looks like he doesnt even understand what he "discovered". He just praises himself on an on..

[branjo]

Nassim obviously knows his stuff. Note in part 8 when he is explaining stuff how Rodin is silent all the time. I know Rodin is not a physicist but still he looks like he doesnt even understand what he "discovered". He just praises himself on an on..

lol Yeah he does have a habit of that, but I think it comes from a form of solitary confinement within his work. He has his own jargon to explain things but to his credit he doesn't claim to be a physicist. So his ego is a little inflated but his discovery could be the beginning of something remarkable and I think his name will go down in history when people work out how to fully utilize this coil.

I would like to see someone make a huge coil from say a car inner tire tube, to see what kind of field one that size would generate, would take a hell of a lot of wire that's for sure....lol.

[myeika]

I would like to see someone make a huge coil from say a car inner tire tube, to see what kind of field one that size would generate, would take a hell of a lot of wire that's for sure....lol.

Now theres an idea!

Along with the one about learning how to generate our own super energy field from within our bodies! We know how big that one would be if we could merg it with the energy fild around us!......

[fr0sty]

Mystery of the missing mini-galaxies - YouTube


Galaxy clusters & brightest 200 galaxies - YouTube

[fr0sty]

About Nassim Haramein paper:
Quantum Gravity Unification of Strong Nuclear Force - YouTube

[myeika]

Thanks fr0sty for this reminder...

I just love this stuff...

[jayelowell]

Branjo; I just wanna thank you for keeping our thread going...


...keep me updated!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[branjo]

Thanks for saying that bro, I wish I could take some credit for it but I am still in awe of how many people are being drawn to this thread and the quality of their information. Every new poster who asks a question just revitalizes it all over again. Those questions are the bread and butter of this whole subject.

My hat is off to everyone here, and to you my friend as the OP.

[plainsight]

I've checked some physics forums about this paper and some comments remind me of those people who claimed the earth was flat. Then Nassim comes along and TOTTALY upsets standard (mainstream) science. It hurts. Look it up, it's good reading.

But i do have a question: Did Nassim ever explained how blackholes are produced and what they actually are, because i've looked those presentations and he just takes them for granted, you know. Or will he reveal these answers later on. I do know you get a BH when some matter becomes so dense, it collapses itself towards singularity. But he never explains more, just "that's a black hole" Am i missing some definitions here?

[seat139]

plainsight could you post some links please, I would'nt mind reading what they are saying myself.
I have just stumbled onto this thread and the Marko Rodin one about a week ago and are now working my way through both, absolutely fascinating.
PS: Anybody here ever read 'Gods Secret Fromula' be Dr. Peter Plitcha?, touched on the same type of stuff if i remember correctly.

[fr0sty]

I've checked some physics forums about this paper and some comments remind me of those people who claimed the earth was flat. Then Nassim comes along and TOTTALY upsets standard (mainstream) science. It hurts. Look it up, it's good reading.

But i do have a question: Did Nassim ever explained how blackholes are produced and what they actually are, because i've looked those presentations and he just takes them for granted, you know. Or will he reveal these answers later on. I do know you get a BH when some matter becomes so dense, it collapses itself towards singularity. But he never explains more, just "that's a black hole" Am i missing some definitions here?

yep...watch Crossing the Event Horizon: Rise to the Equation by Nassim Haramein DVD set.

[barbitone]

That Rodin - Haramein video was well wicked! Haha, poor Nassim looked a little like someone who just lost a game of cards or something.....he knows Marko has something incredibly cool but he's hesitant to big note it too much.... I wish they could work together some how, but I know it's not likely.

[plainsight]

plainsight could you post some links please, I would'nt mind reading what they are saying myself.


Just google schwarzschild proton:

"It is standard crackpottery. It did not win "Best New Paper" from the University of Liege in Belgium; it won "Best New Paper" in one of ten sections at a conference that was about - well, the buzzword density was so high that it's not clear what the conference was about, other than that it wasn't about physical science - that happened to be held at the University of Liege"

" this guy isn't doing any actual physics, it just tries to look like physics to the uninitiated (or those who aren't attending a physics conference).
Crackpot written yet another crackpot paper at seemingly crackpot conference (or at least a conference with poor peer-review procedure, where the guys at the other symposiums probably had very little knowledge of or interest in the supposed physics-style one anyway.)
Oh, another nutter alert from web version of paper you get if you google on Schwarzschild proton -- references only himself and 2 textbooks. Right, yeah....................
And who says internet getting excited? Who cares, just means someone has been doing a self-publicity job about a meaningless paper at an obscure conference and a meaningless prize."


Nassim has, as i would call it, a David Icke syndrome. He beautifully explains and unifies all the science and physics, but as soon he starts to mention aliens and goes esoteric, he loses all credibility.

[barbitone]

Just google schwarzschild proton:

"It is standard crackpottery. It did not win "Best New Paper" from the University of Liege in Belgium; it won "Best New Paper" in one of ten sections at a conference that was about - well, the buzzword density was so high that it's not clear what the conference was about, other than that it wasn't about physical science - that happened to be held at the University of Liege"

" this guy isn't doing any actual physics, it just tries to look like physics to the uninitiated (or those who aren't attending a physics conference).
Crackpot written yet another crackpot paper at seemingly crackpot conference (or at least a conference with poor peer-review procedure, where the guys at the other symposiums probably had very little knowledge of or interest in the supposed physics-style one anyway.)
Oh, another nutter alert from web version of paper you get if you google on Schwarzschild proton -- references only himself and 2 textbooks. Right, yeah....................
And who says internet getting excited? Who cares, just means someone has been doing a self-publicity job about a meaningless paper at an obscure conference and a meaningless prize."


Nassim has, as i would call it, a David Icke syndrome. He beautifully explains and unifies all the science and physics, but as soon he starts to mention aliens and goes esoteric, he loses all credibility.

It's not "David Icke syndrome", it's a curtain you fear to like behind; you can't deny any information, all is relative...

David Icke syndrom would be having the courage and the maturity to investigate all information without bias and an open heart and mind, I think so myself....

[branjo]

Galileo = Yeah the earth goes round the sun, lol good one
Newton = You got all this from an apple? What about banana's then?
Da vinci = A flying machine? Lmao go paint something, stick to what your good at Leo.
Tesla = Are you insane! give away free electricity?, who told you this, Mark Twain or the Pigeon you think is your wife?
Einstein = You know what the speed of light is and yet you could never remember your own phone number? And have you even seen a comb before?, c'mon.
Lipton = So your DNA does not determine who you are?, but the biology books say your wrong so ha!, fatty!
Haramein = Oh so all those physics professors are wrong, absolutely impossible, I mean you don't even have a PHD, you silly long haired man.

I can see a pattern forming here, hmmmmm :D Seems like you have to be a little crazy to pull mankind's head out of its own ass sometimes.

[asha loka]

It's not "David Icke syndrome", it's a curtain you fear to like behind; you can't deny any information, all is relative...

Yes you can.

You're a hamster.

Go on. Deny it all you want. Information is all relative, so I must be right - right?

David Icke syndrom would be having the courage and the maturity to investigate all information without bias and an open heart and mind, I think so myself....

Done that.

It's bollocks - like this, but not as funny:

http://jacksmix.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/findx.jpg

Watching Haramein is like watching someone trying to persuade you that car engines are made of chocolate, and that he's the best mechanic in the history of the world, ever, even though he doesn't know that engines run on petrol, and that if you don't top up the oil every so often bad, bad things happen.

It's great performance art, and interesting psychology, but it has zero, nada, zilch, zip, sweet fa, and nothing at all to do with physics.

It's depressing that more people can't see that what he's selling isn't science, it's flattery.

[barbitone]

Yes you can.

You're a hamster.

Go on. Deny it all you want. Information is all relative, so I must be right - right?


Yes your reply is relative, it shows that you are a twat.

[branjo]

Done that.

It's bollocks.

That's awesome news dude! we are so glad you could help us understand things.
Now if you could master teleportation and disappear, we would all be thoroughly impressed.

[fr0sty]

It's depressing that more people can't see that what he's selling isn't science, it's flattery.

So..Do you think you live on a flat earth or you live on a spherical shape object called "a planet"?

Have you even watched the movie Crossing the event horizon - Rise to the Equation by Nassim Haramein?

watch the dvd series then we will take seriously your "criticism"(if we can even call your post a critic opinion)..until that you are a joke.

after that maybe you will understand what I wanna show with this 2 videos

Mystery of the missing mini-galaxies - YouTube


Galaxy clusters & brightest 200 galaxies - YouTube[/QUOTE]

[fr0sty]

Just google schwarzschild proton:

"It is standard crackpottery. It did not win "Best New Paper" from the University of Liege in Belgium; it won "Best New Paper" in one of ten sections at a conference that was about - well, the buzzword density was so high that it's not clear what the conference was about, other than that it wasn't about physical science - that happened to be held at the University of Liege"

" this guy isn't doing any actual physics, it just tries to look like physics to the uninitiated (or those who aren't attending a physics conference).
Crackpot written yet another crackpot paper at seemingly crackpot conference (or at least a conference with poor peer-review procedure, where the guys at the other symposiums probably had very little knowledge of or interest in the supposed physics-style one anyway.)
Oh, another nutter alert from web version of paper you get if you google on Schwarzschild proton -- references only himself and 2 textbooks. Right, yeah....................
And who says internet getting excited? Who cares, just means someone has been doing a self-publicity job about a meaningless paper at an obscure conference and a meaningless prize."


Nassim has, as i would call it, a David Icke syndrome. He beautifully explains and unifies all the science and physics, but as soon he starts to mention aliens and goes esoteric, he loses all credibility.

If we was 2000 years in past and sitting in a stone forum in Rome Empire chatting about Nassim Haramein version of that time and heard your voice saying what you posted, i would respond: Those who don't understand what they see and hear shall shut the $#% up. *slap* your face and kicked out from this topic.
BECAUSE YOU CLOUD OUR MINDS AND OUR ATTENTION. so don't ask why. we talk about what we want and believe what we want! And when we are so many who agree about a thing you shall stop judging us! Try to understand, join the topic with arguments pro or critic or just f$#% off.

you don't even criticize him..you just trying to pee on his work because you are to busy with your complex social life to understand what he is trying to say..troll :)

[fr0sty]

The critic is considered to be the psychic inverse of genius. This insight was formulated early by Lessing as "not every critic is a genius, but every genius is born a critic...genius has the proof of all rules within itself."
But you guys, asha loka and plainsight,you are not even close.(dot)

[fr0sty]

"its confusing, every time when someone posts information on a scientific discovery or innovation there's always these huge group of people with no definitive scientific knowledge commenting on those information attributing rhetorical irrelevant and sometimes offensive philosophies. and about speculations.. pseudoscience is worse than complete ignorance." ;)

[mane]

The critic is considered to be the psychic inverse of genius. This insight was formulated early by Lessing as "not every critic is a genius, but every genius is born a critic...genius has the proof of all rules within itself."
But you guys, asha loka and plainsight,you are not even close.(dot)

To plainsight's credit, he was quoting such critics for example, while emphasizing the disappointing nature of mainstream culture's reaction to "far out" ideas.

[plainsight]

Just to clarify, those quotes came from other forums, because seat139 asked me to post those replys. Check previous pages. Only the bottom line is mine, taken from mainstream point of view. Like Jones said once about Icke. I know you don't like him, but same perspective could be taken on Nassim, like a said: He beautifully explains and unifies all the science and physics, but as soon he starts to mention aliens and goes esoteric, he loses all credibility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a6tdomw4vc"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a6tdomw4vc

[branjo]

Yes but that's were Jones and Icke differ, Jones stops at telling people about the problems and points to no light at the end of the tunnel. There is always a way through anything, Jones (for me) is only presenting problems, that's it. Those problems are very real and very in our faces of course but we are chasing our tails if we think that's ever going to change by using the very system that is provided for us. Jones, again "for me" seems to want America to be the greatest nation in the world again. But if America were to become this then in a few years we would be right back where we are now.

Icke does go way out there there is no denying it and I still do not believe in shape shifting reptiles, BUT there are bloodline that are protected for a reason. The reason we need to ask ourselves is "Why?", titles can be given to anyone but genetics cannot. If we were to date the genetics of the Royal Family back 1 or 2 hundred thousand years, do you think it would end up with cavemen using flint stones to light a fire and banging their women on the head and dragging them back to their caves for a good seeing to? I highly doubt it. They do not not want to "pollute" their line because they have reason for keeping it "pure", they are waiting for something, what that is may or may not be known to us, but its there somewhere.

We might be able to trace our genetics back to that primitive time, but blue blood has an extreme importance with regards to their true history. Its not based on popularity and its not based on wealth even though the two go hand in hand. The real agenda is the embodiment of esoteric and to deny that is to bury ones head in the sand and stop all debates ending in bankers and money being the root causes of everything.

The truth is very esoteric (hidden), consciousness cannot be removed from anything, even physics. Unless you can explain exactly in layman terms why the double slit experiment does what it does, or the measurement dilemma of the atom itself, then really what does mainstream science actually explain. Oh we are masters at combustion and to this day it still plays the most important part of our lives. Tesla's work would have ended on the spot the need for fuel, yet it was stopped, why? just for the sake of money or to put a lid on the development of consciousness itself. The people behind the elite banker families do not use money and probably never did, they are more than likely from a line that brought it about, but their entitlement through genetics has kept them above even the concept of money.

Biological knowledge has not made us healthy and our food supply a good source of nutrients, to be healthy today you cannot do it by food alone, so exactly what has mainstream science done for mankind, except give us new ways to heat things and burn more fuel. Science has brought us to the brink of annihilation and our food sources to the brink of extinction through genetically altering the food to suit the environment instead of the other way around. Yet when we question companies like Monsanto, we are just loony bin conspiracy theorists, and what they sell is perfectly safe to eat.

Unless you learn to think outside of the box then the box is all your ever going to have, I have the utmost respect for Nassim Haramein, for asking fundamental questions that PHD toting physicists refuse to even entertain. Why are they convinced that there is a tiny particle that will tell them all the answers? Why are they so sure that the direction they are traveling in is the right way to go? Why are they so angry towards people who incorporate spirituality into science, when many of us believe they were never separate to begin with. Why are they so convinced that what physicists know today, no one has ever known before? The answer, is egotistical stubbornness every goddamn time. They don't want their ego damaged by admitting anything they have done was pointless. Just like all those doctors pumping vaccines into the arms of their patients and trying to say that its for their own good. Because what they see in black and white handed to them by a system of education has to be right or their lives do not have meaning, their huge houses and flash cars are rewards for doing exactly what they are told and memorizing books that in some cases the information is 100+ years old and in desperate need of updating or a complete redefining.

No one wants to be wrong, but the state of the world today is proof that something is wrong, and the fault is in every dogmatic belief that has become stagnated with stubborn arrogance. both religion and science are guilty of this.

The two comments in question were taken from the first 2 hits on google after the search parameter provided, not exactly delving into the research there I'm afraid.

Dan Winter, and extremely intelligent man also is aware of Nassim's work and doesn't tell him he is full of it either. Winter has said he suspects Nassim's work would benefit him more if he incorporated the Golden ratio into his work. Its not that Haramein doesn't either, I mean he realized Rodin's work follows the Golden ratio too, so its not something he ignores.

Mainstream science (ALL) will always hit the wall sooner or later without incorporating consciousness into it, without it nothing would be, or is our very existence for you the culmination of chemical reactions and luck? You just can't ignore half of existence because you cannot write it down on paper or explain it completely.

All the sciences at their core are unified, one cannot exist without the other. Whats true for Physics has to be true for Chemistry and Biology also.

Where is this problem of someone going where no one else wants to go, ask yourself why mainstream physics doesn't want Harameins or Rodins research taken more seriously. Probably for the same reasons Tesla's work was black shelved, because it would raise too many questions of who we are and the direction we should be traveling in.

You are very much obliged to be a critic, but when the critic is about the character of the person and nothing to do with the information then you cannot blame anyone else for doing the same thing in return.

To not have watched the full lectures by this man and just take tiny little snippets from you tube and comment on the entire scope of his information, is an infantile tactic. Its just removing the context of the hours of information before it and jumping too conclusions. Haramein is looking in places that have not been looked into. Anyone who watched the first few minutes of it would have to be surprised by the "So who is this little guy" question, why is the Universe expanding and where is the answer to the first law of Physics? ie the Cause to that Effect, oh that's right I forgot about the perfectly intellectual and explanatory nature of the birth of physics, "The Big Bang" how silly of me not to take that as fact.

[yopp]

I found these very interesting.

The Top 30 Problems with the Big Bang
http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/BB-top-30.asp

Old school physics will not die easily. Obviously it will go kicking and screaming. It will go though, its only a mater of time. The apparent devolution of the human mind will only affect those that tie themselves to the sinking ships of out dated and obtuse paradigms.

http://assets1.podomatic.com/mymedia/thumb/1104568/460%3E_2142539.jpg?1253392281

http://the-psychonautilus.podomatic.com/entry/eg/2009-09-06T15_04_55-07_00

Sometimes we just need to shut up and dance. This one here can definitely help that to happen::cool:
http://www.archive.org/details/Jadeite-FractalUniverse

Enjoy the dance all you space time probes

[branjo]

http://www.archive.org/details/Jadeite-FractalUniverse

Listening to this now, its awesome bro, straight onto my MP3 player for this one.

[stockstalker]

I found these very interesting.

The Top 30 Problems with the Big Bang
http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/BB-top-30.asp

Old school physics will not die easily. Obviously it will go kicking and screaming. It will go though, its only a mater of time. The apparent devolution of the human mind will only affect those that tie themselves to the sinking ships of out dated and obtuse paradigms.

http://assets1.podomatic.com/mymedia/thumb/1104568/460%3E_2142539.jpg?1253392281

http://the-psychonautilus.podomatic.com/entry/eg/2009-09-06T15_04_55-07_00

Sometimes we just need to shut up and dance. This one here can definitely help that to happen::cool:
http://www.archive.org/details/Jadeite-FractalUniverse

Enjoy the dance all you space time probes

Good find. Thank you. :cool:

[yopp]

This is an incredible little movie. One thing I find amazing about this is that I have never heard of it. Makes me wonder that does.

But anyway this is a very deep, profound and strange movie. Makes me think of The Matrix a bit.

It does relate to this this thread in a round about way...

The Cube:

A rare non-muppet Jim Henson movie long believed to be lost. It's surreal but I actually get it. I'm pretty sure this is public domain. If anyone knows otherwise, let me know and I'll remove it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6203080879952576646#docid=-5219596450530694213

[tell me again]

I was working on the Rodin numbers late into the night. I could see a framework of 9's, then a framework of 3's and 6's holding the other numbers together in groups of 4. Then I combined those numbers and the middle of the structure was again 9's and the outer structures were 3's and 6's in symmetry.

I've been babbling about finding 'the perfect symmetry arising from chaos' to my friends for awhile when talking about my next work of art and between Nassim and Rodin I believe I've found it in the finger print of God.

Thank you so much for posting these threads. Nassim has really explained a lot of concepts to me that I have often tried to understand but could not grasp.

It's frustrating when you tell your friends that you have seen evidence of God from more than one researcher and they don't jump at the chance to experience it for themselves. :(

Thanks also for the new links. I know what I'll be watching today!

[plainsight]

You can only show them the door...

[liami]

my wife has shown me the door , she thinks I need help. sheeple HUH!

[branjo]

my wife has shown me the door , she thinks I need help. sheeple HUH!

:D lol

[jayelowell]

-YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.-

...has anyONE viewed this DVD?

[barbitone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO0_SizIf5s

...has anyONE viewed this DVD?


:confused: Which DVD are you referring too Jay?


Oh! It came up in the quote box but not in your post..... lol Yeah, I just got this DVD about a week ago now. It's really good because he goes into a bit more detail of the mathematics etc..... I recommend it.

[barbitone]

You can get the DVD here; http://www.transvision.com/

[musten]

Yeah, I just got this DVD about a week ago now. It's really good because he goes into a bit more detail of the mathematics etc..... I recommend it.

Could you share it? Rip and upload it to google video or somewhere? I think we all really appreciate it. Thanks.

[barbitone]

Could you share it? Rip and upload it to google video or somewhere? I think we all really appreciate it. Thanks.

I don't know how...... I'd love to do lot's of that sort've thing but I never get through the file format gauntlet.:(

[branjo]

I don't know how...... I'd love to do lot's of that sort've thing but I never get through the file format gauntlet.:(

Yeah the whole process is a major pain in the ass, someone will get around to it one day soon. Didn't take that long for the DVD set to hit the torrents either.

[barbitone]

The DVD is only $19 American total inside the U.S and $22 outside the U.S, so I recommend just supporting the information and the people that bring it to us by buying a copy.:)

[gooseone]

So , i just found a new example of infinite potential within a self created boundary :cool:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/10/fractal-genome/

Liking the Marko thread also btw (although most of the number digging there goes beyond me ;))
i have found that i can use the basic Marko maths as a tool to show my friends theres more than meets they eye :o.

Also i came across this amazing vid of a standing wave in a waterdrop (although it could be that i got it from here :D)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[hobo]

Amazing material, thanks for posting. Haramein is a true genious...

[monkeyboy]

just found this enjoy :)

http://www.theatreofthemind.com/podcasts.asp?podcast=150

[hunger]

Slightly off topic & maybe its been posted already but...

Nassims Harameins wife giving orgasmic birth!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[yopp]

Well it would be hard to find a more real example of the power of your mind to affect and control your body. Perceptions are key obviously.
:)
As Nassim likes to say "the proof is in the pudding"
Pleasure or pain?? Hmmm? It's not a difficult choice you would think...

[branjo]

Slightly off topic & maybe its been posted already but...

Nassims Harameins wife giving orgasmic birth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_0FLuu3VmY

Yeah I had seen this a while ago and it makes you think how this would affect a child, being brought into the world without the screaming and stress of the mother being the first thing the child experiences.

[musten]

Futurama episode.
Physicists Calculate Number of Universes in the Multiverse (http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24239/) LOL

[pedsi]

Futurama episode.
Physicists Calculate Number of Universes in the Multiverse (http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24239/) LOL

So the limit does not depend on the properties of the multiverse but on the properties of the observer.

love it:)

[branjo]

Futurama episode.
Physicists Calculate Number of Universes in the Multiverse (http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24239/) LOL

Kinda makes me think its all in our heads...:D

[kingmob]

Slightly off topic & maybe its been posted already but...

Nassims Harameins wife giving orgasmic birth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_0FLuu3VmY

That's really cool.

[jesta_g]

Hey all long I have a post I want to share that I originally put up in the orb section of the forum.... Enjoy.


As promised here is a long over due post from anyone on the subject of "Orbs"/"Spirit Emanations" or (in my own words) Fluorescent Coherent Torsion Fields


Forgive me, i am goin to do this post as installments as i have a helluva lot of research to round from. On a plus this will give me space to post more photos up. In this post ive put up images from the night (3 weeks ago) where two friends and I went up Arthur's Seat meditated and interacted with these emanations. it was an interesting night to say the least. over 300 photos were taken. Ive hand picked a few that stood out (this is not to say they are better, any orb is a good).

*Keep an eye out for links throughout the post. Further research and suggested reading.

Within the last year i have begun capturing amazing images of these "orbs", at first i was a lil sceptic i had heard of them in those shite tv programmes like most haunted. They called them "ghosts" or "spirits", these titles didnt particularly sit well with me so i thought nothing of them except if they are real then how do they work. Years down the line of not really paying attention to them and all of a sudden i cant avoid them (meant in the nicest of ways), as mentioned in previous posts i have now got myself a library of images of all types of these "orbs". They appeared so much i actually had to do something about it... research it lol.

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss256/jestaG/IMGP0515.jpg
- this was the first of hundreds of photos we got of this "new" (to us) manifestation of orbs. Here you can clearly see bright lights with some that moving in a particular direction. Particularly the one near the centre he followed us through out the night....

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss256/jestaG/IMGP0518.jpg

So i went down this new rabbit hole which im comfortably still in.

What I am about to lay here I am not stating as fact rather to the bone evidence in support that what we are seeing and referring to as orbs are conscious states of energy that exist outside the visual frequencies of our physical site. This ill go into.

Ok so ill keep my personal experiences to a minimum to make way for the good stuff.

My experiences with these "conscious light vessels" are interesting to say the least and im fairly certain many others have or are experiencing some similar outcomes or even events involving interactions with "orbs". One thing for sure is there is noone that is better or chosen to capture orbs, everyone can do it., It all comes down at the core to the science of Heart Coherence (ill get to it).

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss256/jestaG/IMGP0584.jpg
- This is a photo of a rock we simultaneous chose to stop at, someabout this rock told us t stop and meditate... so we did. The amazing outcome was roughly 10 photos of bright orbs circling us and appearing as we meditate or think coherent intentions to towards the land and particularly the rock. we got ourselves in a state of mind that we are the rock, ok enough about the bloody rock just look for yourself lol ....

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss256/jestaG/IMGP0591.jpg
- this image has received particular interest from researchers as it should. ( if you have the means zoom into this image and look. This i can assure is not rain/DUST/ or the relection of an object. when we took this photos we saw the brightest flash. The Ionization process this orb went through is incredible.




What i have begun to realise and enjoy is "they", orbs, appear to, conscously react to our presense and even our intentions (which ill go into soon). This instantly suggests intelligence.
Ive recently begun answering the question, If there is conscious intelligence being shown then is it possible to communicate with them?.... lol ill get to it soon enough.

Right now the stuff we can bite into...


WHY NOW?

The appearance of "orbs" in and around earth at this time is not accidental.


The earth, no, every planet in our solar system has and is currently experiencing incredible shifts and changes right now and increasing. This is (and likely to be found posted somewhere on the forum) a subject to post about however due to the little time i have i am goin to revolve around the subject of Orb's.
However i would like to bring to attention this information - The Transformation of our Solar System. (http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/books-free-online/20-the-divine-cosmos/102-the-divine-cosmos-chapter-08-the-transformation-of-the-solar-system),
please spare some time to read and further research this.

And more recently in news (a thanks to the member cruise4 for originally posting this link) - Mystery Space "Ribbon" Found at Solar System's Edge (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091015-edge-solar-system-ribbon-ibex.html)

This my friends is the "wave of energy" the ancient cultures "prophesised" for 1000's of years. The Mayans referred to it as quetzalcoatl or the Plumed Serpent that would return in the year 2012. However this isnt the post to be elaborating this in.

Further suggested reading -

PLANETOPHYSICAL STATE OF THE EARTH AND LIFE By DR. ALEXEY N. DMITRIEV (http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical.html)

Divine Cosmos (http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/latest-news/511-2012-enigma-book-new-promo-video-and-more)




Ok so what does this have to do in-relation to Orbs/ Fluorescent Coherent Torsion Fields?.... alot lol.

What we are seeing through out our solar system not only affecting the planets of our solar system but it affects us, specifically our DNA and further more our consciousness.

Our Solar system is now sailing smoothly towards the centre of our galaxy. As we approach we are goin to experience extreme forms of cosmic energy and begin to see similar effects that astronauts see in space, Cosmic Rays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray_visual_phenomena).

Further Reading -

Secrets of the Yugas or World-Ages (http://www.vedanet.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=174)

Ascension, Rebirth & the Dimensional Shift (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_2012_02.htm)


I apologise but i really do not have the time to ellaborate on these subjects i can assure you there are posts throughout this forum and sources in all fields of research outwith this forum that provide sufficient evidence to support this information.


Pushing on with the subject of orbs,

this is part of a heightening of awareness brought about by the elevation in human thinking and further by the increase in energies directed towards this planet (solar system) as we Celestially travel towards the centre of our Galaxy.

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss256/jestaG/IMGP0648.jpg
- he is holding out a pyramid crystal in his hand. we all saw this bright flash above his head.

The Science of Orbs

For the past four hundred years, traditional science has not considered human consciousness as an important thermodynamic variable in the study of natural phenomena or even science itself for that matter.
Instead its investigations have orbited around the metaphorical reaction equation -

MASS <-> ENERGY



... times have changed.

Psychoenergetic science expands on this equation to include human consciousness as an important thermodynamic variable in the study of nature.

"Let us not ask what consciousness is but instead ask what consciousess DOES." - William A. Tiller.

Consciousess manipulates information, whether via sums or products to get useful results, random letters to make words, mathematical symbols to make equations or the assembly puzzle pieces to form a larger picture.

Further for the past sixty to seventy years we have known that an increase in information content (in terms of bits) via a particular process in nature is quantitatively connected to a decrease in entropy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy), for the universe and,for the past one hundred and fifty years, we have known the master potential function of thermodynamics, which derives all processes in nature, is the free energy per unit volume or per "mole" of chemical species and, in this function, entropy is on par with energy.

With this we have the new metaphorical reaction equation, that governs psychoenergetic science is -

MASS <-> ENERGY <-> INFORMATION <-> CONSCIOUSNESS


Look where technology has brought us, we have built very large particle accelerators (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_accelerator) to collide streams of particles at high kinetic energy with each other in order to split some apart into smaller and more basic components so as to understand the subcomponents of all matter. Bare with me ;o)

In the now and in the very near future, we will use directed consciousness to manipulate information resident at different levels of reality in order to alter the properties of materials.

The psychophysiological principle and its three biofeedback examples -

"Every change in the human physiological state is accompanied by an appropriate change in the the mental-emotional state,conscious or unconscious, and conversely every change in the human mental-emotional state, conscious or unconscious, is accompanied by an appropriate change in the physiological state."


thus the strength of a humans intention field creates a thermodynamic force in the body that significantly exceeds an opposite sign force.

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss256/jestaG/IMGP0669.jpg
- i can assure you this is not dust ;o)

Further Research -

William Tiller (http://tillerfoundation.com/)

A Brief Introduction to Intention-Host Device Research (http://tillerfoundation.com/White%20Paper%20I.pdf)

It Is Time for a Consciousness-Inclusive Science (http://tillerfoundation.com/White%20Paper%20IV.pdf)

What Is Information Entanglement and Why Is It So Important to Psychoenergetic Science?

I hear some of you now lol.... what does this have to do with orbs?

...Everything! so persevere :oP lol


What this tells us in relation to orbs is that our Human Energy Fields (Auras) play a major part in observing orbs in nature. How?

The human energy field. (http://www.reiki.org/Download/OschmanReprint2.pdf)

It has long been known that activities of cells and tissues generate electrical fields that can be detected on the skin surface. But the laws of physics demand that any electrical current generates a corresponding magnetic field (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/magnetic/magfie.html) in the surrounding space. Since these fields were too tiny to detect, biologists assumed they could have no physiological significance....

Until now.

it has been discovered that all tissues and organs produce specific magnetic pulsations, which have come to be known as biomagnetic fields (http://www.drpawluk.com/biomagnetic_fields.htm). The traditional electrical recordings, such as the electrocardiogram and electroencephalogram, are now being complemented by biomagnetic recordings, called magnetocardiograms (http://europace.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/5/4/343) and magnetoencephalograms (http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Magnetoencephalogram). For various reasons, mapping the magnetic fields in the space around the body often provides a more accurate indication of physiology and pathology than traditional electrical measurements.

Pathology (intention) alters the biomagnetic field.

Further Research -

Human Energy Field and Aura (http://energytherapy.net/human-energy-field-aura.htm)

http://www.barbarabrennan.com/studentsalumni/newsletters/InTouchWinter04.pdf


This moves nicely onto Heart Coherence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnMi-peIs6I), the electrophysiological state of humans during the effects of focusing intentional appreciation for someone or something through the Heart.
To the point, sincere appreciation focus through the heart brings a state of internal coherence where the collapse of both the parasympathetic (high frequency) and sympathetic (low frequency) resonate at a frequency of 0.14 hertz, where the heart interacts strongly with the brain.




When one regularly practises this freezeframe/sincere appreciation technique, one also notes a significant change in the chemical factory output of the body - i.e. DHEA (the precursor to most body hormones) production increases while cortisol (the major stress chemical) production decreases. Thus, internal stress signatures are decreasing while beneficial hormones are increasing.

What's one way of creating interal coherence? .... Meditation.

Individuals who are well-practiced in their ability to enter and sustain internal coherence mode of heart function while simultaneously intending the influence the molecular conformation of DNA molecules in a beaker of water located two or three feet away from their body, ultraviolet spectroscopy data shows that they can either unwind, or wind more tightly, the DNA strands at will. If such a change can be made to occur to DNA located outside the body, imagine what could happen to the DNA strands of the individuals cells located inside the body through their focused intentions.

This is the key to understanding how important intention/consciousness has effect on our universe. Particularly in relation to our little friends the orbs.



Lol so what does this all have to do with orbs? yes you guessed it.... everything.

You see what our Human Energy Field/Biofield is doing through internal coherence is allowing the sensitized camera to access another level of "reality" than our normal electric atom/molecule level and to take a small image. essentially opening a window to other dimensions/frequencies.


this is also where the Pineal Gland comes into play, the activation of the pineal gland due to the de-calcification of its state releases a chemical known as DMT onto the brain.

There are asymmetrical crystals in the pineal gland that are ‘piezo-electric' - that is, they send out electronic voltage creating EM waves. Whenever a person is exposed to an EMF (electro-magnetic field) such as that of the earth the gland vibrates, sending out EM signals to the rest of the body. When the pineal gland is stimulated geo-magnetically it produces alkaloids similar to plant psychedelics. Any strong change in the earth's EMF will produce a rush of psychedelics in our bodies enabling us to be more psychically active in shamanic states (earth/ land receptive). The pineal gland is efected by coherent EM fields and it changes its hormone production when exposed to EM at low levels. As the earth has the greatest effect of any force on our physiology it makes sense that the cells of our body and brain align with it. All life within the envelope of earth's vibrational influence attempts to match base-frequencies.

from a metaphysical perspective, that the soul of man may physically express in and around the brain and spinal cord. The soul has been described as an individualized ray of "God's" consciousness, which temporarily identifies with the mind/body. The soul can also be depicted as a personified portion of "God" resident in each human being.

Itzhak Bentov postulated that the body contains oscillators, which create a magnetic field that is connected with "EVERYTHING," when all the oscillators are engaged.

Thus, it is proposed that when the CSF and neuropeptides are flowing optimally, it affects our consciousness in such a way that we can become united with the universal consciousness in "everything." It is also suggested that this postulate may be given further credibility by the movement of a drum-like, tympanic membrane, in the roof of the lateral ventricles (corpus callosum) of the brain. We maintain that this drum-like membrane may pick up cosmic vibrations, which set the CSF vibrating in a frequency connected to universal consciousness.

Another factor, which may play a role in our connection to "everything" on the planet and serotonin levels, could be the pineal gland. Metaphysically, the pineal gland is said to be responsible for our connection to the 'rhythm of life.'

Our Pineal gland is a natural "hyper gate" that allows you to "see" the coherent frequencies of the universe. Hence why it is called THE THIRD EYE.

The main function of the pineal gland is its role in mediating circadian rhythms of the animal through the production of the hormone melatonin, from its precursor amino acid tryptophan. The pineal gland is most active in early morning hours... hence meditation is often undergone at this time. The pineal gland is the only singular organ in the brain and is located near the upper end of the spinal cord, which ends or terminates in the oldest anatomical region in the brain.

Taoists call the center of the brain between the pineal and the pituitary "the Crystal Palace." It's between the old brain at the back and the new brain at the front of the head, between the left and right hemispheres, sitting above the two wings of the mysterious ventricles. It rests between the two large cerebrums at the anterior end of the cerebellum. The cerebellum is one of the oldest features of the brain, involved in coordinating muscular activity in the body. It's said that when the pineal gland is activated it becomes illuminated like a thousands suns. The sense of white light flowing within and without may be when the pineal gland is highly activated producing DMT type chemistry during the height of the peak.

When the Crystal Chamber is lit transcendental vision occurs. Transcendental vision probably occurs due to increased kundalini flow raising dopamine and phenylethylamine, etc.. All kind of changes happen in the retinas and occipital lobes, including increased ATP production acting as a neurotransmitter and histamine increasing blood flow in the brain, and increase in nitric oxide metabolism. The end result being that one has an increase in visual acuity, inner visions, inner lights, seeing auras and vivid dreams.

http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=TheCrystalPalace

http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1639&highlight=pineal+gland

The Biology of the Inner Light

Meditation evokes pineal DMT release through EM vibrations. Visionary experience with symbolic or religious content gives way to dazzling light of illumination, reported in eastern and western religions. Meditation modulates pineal activity, eliciting a standing wave through resonance effects that coordinates other brain centers with both chemicals and electromagnetism. Resonance is induced in the pineal gland using electric, magnetic, or sound energy, re-synchronizing both hemispheres of the brain, resulting in a chain of synergetic harmony that releases DMT, an endogenous psychedelic. The pineal contains high levels of enzymes and building-blocks for DMT, which may be secreted when inhibitory processes cease blocking its production with other chemicals, such as beta-carbolines which magnify and prolong DMT effects. DMT is the source of visionary Light in transpersonal experiences. Its primary source, the pineal, has traditionally been referred to as the Third Eye. Curiously, this gland is light sensitive and actually has a lens, cornea, and retina. DMT production is particularly stimulated in the extraordinary conditions of birth, sexual ecstasy, childbirth, extreme physical stress, near-death, psychosis, and physical death, as well as meditation. Pineal DMT may also play a significant role in dream consciousness.

Meditative techniques using sound, sight, or awareness may generate particular wave patterns whose fields induce resonance in the brain. Millennia of human trial and error have determined that certain ‘sacred’ worlds, visual images, and mental exercises exert uniquely desired effects, causing multiple systems to vibrate and pulse at certain frequencies. When our minds and bodies resonate with these spiritual exercises the pineal begins to ‘vibrate’ at frequencies that weaken its multiple barriers to DMT formation and release.

http://photonichuman.50megs.com/whats_new_1.html


THE CAMERA CAN ACT AS A "THIRD EYE" FOR THE PHOTOGRAPHER IN CAPTURING ENERGIES THAT RESONATE OUTWITH HUMAN SIGHT.

A deep meditative state, a specific human intention placed into a simple electrical device aka A CAMERA. The Camera when switched on in an "experimental" space ( conditions that space to a higher electro-magnetic gauge symmetry state than that of our normal electron/molecule level of physical "reality", simply put anywhere tho specifically in nature) tunes that space to such that experiments coducted there exhibit material property changes that occur in both the direction of, and close to the magnitude of, the specific intention.
This information reveals the presance in nature of a second unique level of physical reality that is modulateable by human intention.

With this we are able to see how the human acupuncture meridian/chakra system (http://www.new-ecopsychology.org/en/books/ecopsychology/eco-28.htm) is functioning at this same higher ElectroMagnetic gauge symmetry level as compared with the rest of the body, which is functioning at our normal, electric, atom/moelcule level.
Thus, sustained, directed, human intention can create, in the human biofield (the aura), the necessary ingrediants to altar the physical properties of our material environment.

Human consciousness is capable of coupling humans and istruments to another unique level of physical reality, not normally detectable by conventional instrumentation, and that this level of "reality" may have its own set of life form, some of which we may be able to image under appropriate conditions.

So to ask the question once again, why are they appearing only so recently? a further speculation worthy of note is the human races cosmological observations regarding outward acceleration of the universe at its outer edges and cosmological observations concerning the presence of both "dark energy" and energy abundance in nature.

As a fish grows to the size of its bowl so does our consciousness grow with our awareness of nature and the universe in relation to ourselves and our intentions.

This would rationalize why the degree of "connectivity" between humans seems to be increasing with time and why, on the average, we might be experiencing "orbs" with our digital cameras.

This brings forth the necessary revelation that EVERYONE OF US CAN INFLUENCE ALL BIOLOGICAL LIFE-FORMS AROUND US VIA OUR BIOFIELD EMISSIONS AND THE INFORMATION THAT THEY CARRY, WHETHER WE INTEND TO OR NOT.

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss256/jestaG/IMGP0652.jpg
- this ill go into later ;o)

end of introduction, smoke if ya got 'em, make yourself some tea get yourself comfy...... now to the point, Orbs and ruling out petty excuses for theories as to what they are. why they are not dust/rain particles and are so much more than what we give them credit for....

(im going to highlight why these dust/rain/atmospheric changes/"camera faults" are not what is causing the orb phenomenon with a small * and number.)

*1. More than one light source - It is NOT an effect by the flash emitting two bursts of light, which many cameras do today, as it would affect everything in the picture, not just the shape of orbs.

THE ONLY WAY FOR ORBS TO APPEAR IS FOR A SECOND LIGHT SOURCE TO EMANATE FROM WITHIN THE ORBS THEMSELVES.

this second light source is recording the image of the orbs on the camera, whereas the remainder of the image - trees, cars, people, houses, DUST etc - was being recorded by the outer light source: the camera flash being reflected back into the lens.

but what could cause the orbs to emit a light back from within themselves?


The role of the flash - The average duration of a camera flash is about one-thousandth of a second.

*2. The flashes speed has nothing to do with capturing orbs in pictures, because it makes no sense. The advantage of a flash is that it can "freeze" a picture of a rapidly moving object. It gives an image of how it was, in that precise millisecond of the flash, without blurring, even tho the shutter speed ( the length of time the aperture remains open during the taking of a photograph) might not in itself be rapid enough to "freeze" the motion of a object. If objects are moving too fast for the shutter to capture the image f the orbs without blurring, the camera will still capture an image of the fast -moving object, however blurred it may be. it is obvious therefore that the flash's speed could not have nothing to do with capturing a very high seed or high frequency object like an orb.


Normally photographic images are formed when the light from the flash reflects off the objects back to the camera. this did not seem to be case with the orbs. the only explanation is therefore that the orbs must have been generating the light that made them visible from within themselves!
The camera is recording not the flash reflected back from the orbs but rather a light that came from within the orbs themselves.


IONIZATION (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionization)


Ionization occurs when electrons are propelled from one atomic shell to another. The atmosphere's nitrogen and oxygen gases have two atoms each (duality), which are held together by a sharing of their orbiting electrons. Unless these electrons are hit by a photon (flash) or energy particle they remain in their basic energy state. above the basic state are many energy levels (or shelves). when a photon (flash) or energy particle that has enough power hits an electron , the electron is forced up and "beyond" the vacant energy shelf, right outside of the two atom molecules. The electron is now free of its original molecule and that molecule it becomes a positive ion. if the freed electron attaches to a neutral molecule it becomes a negative ion. If the electron attaches to a positive ion it normally lodges in one of the "vacant energy shelves" and gives off a photon equal in energy to the energy given up by the formerly free electron.


...... you all still there?

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-2/tumbleweed-through-ghost-town.jpg


lol cool, lets press on.

now, the electrons frequency determines the frequency and color of the photon, so now we begin to see the extraordinary fact that it is possible for the atmospheres molecules to radiate in any color of the light spectrum!
The energy of light photons is measured in electron volts. For example, energy of less than 1.65 electron volts will give of a photon of infrared color radiation. Energy of more than 3.26 electron volts will give off a photon radiating at the ultraviolet level.
Rainfall generates free electrons that can bombard the atmospheres atoms and in some cases the atoms of the orbs themselves and cause ionization.
If ionization occurs in the orbs themselves, it helps the orbs begin a process known in physics as fluorescence.

Photons will be generated from within the orbs and thus become recorded on camera CCD, or even be visible to the naked eye in certain conditions.

So what we are looking at here is not the orb beings themselves but the ionizing effect their energy has on the surrounding atmosphere!

Really think about that, this has huge implications on how we perceive our universe/"reality" and what ET/higher dimensional beings look like in our reality. all we are getting to see is an emanation of their energy field. To open the door we would see a "humanoid" figure. Light beings.

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss256/jestaG/IMGP0668.jpg

This i will delve into later. It is 4 in the morning and I am to be up for my son in the morning. Part 2 will be posted tomrrow night.

[barbitone]

Hey Jesta! Wicked orbs man! I haven't read your whole thing here but the orbs are nice.....

I agree, I think the orbs are coming through more powerfully now. If orbs are your interest, I highly, highly, highly recommend watching these vids I just came across that would seem to suggest you are correct;

Energy Orbs (still shots)

Energy Orbs - YouTube

Recently at the ashram the phenomenon of Energy Orbs has become more and more visable.These beautiful representations of planetary energy are becoming manifest in response to the ever-growing level of consciousness present at this time. The pictures shown here taken at the ashram and around Ratu were taken by many people, on many cameras at different times. They capture the essence of these energies at play. Feeling their presence and working with them during training and meditating allows one to connect with our highest potential, free from the limits of the mind. When one is connected through feeling to these energy orbs spinning throughout the body occurs, while held in the safety of ones own orbit, it can feel like dancing through the universe.


Moving Orbs (film)

Moving Energy Orbs - YouTube

[lostinstrangeworld]

Slightly off topic & maybe its been posted already but...

Nassims Harameins wife giving orgasmic birth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_0FLuu3VmY

I saw this one and posted it somewhere but later edited it out fearing it might offend somed people. Made me laugh to see Haramein in something like this, but on a more serious note, its absolutely fascinating too; maybe childbirth should be a pleasurable experience.

I wonder whether Amber's awareness of consciousness through being around Nassim and a part of all his spiritual and scientific insights.....may have something to do with her being able to experience a pleasurable childbirth???

[lostinstrangeworld]

Does anybody feel that listening to Haramein's lectures have awakened an understanding of the meaning of life within them?

I felt that way after watching the lecture of his at the Rogue Valley Library of Metaphysics, however I feel there is more to come, more parts of the puzzle.

I feel that once I have found the pieces of the puzzle then maybe I can anchor myself into this world more fully rather than going through periods of time where I have no motivation for anything because I'm not sure whether or not there is a point to any of it; I just feel (sometimes) that I want to let go of life's matrix and simply return to the "source", if thats where we end up anyway.

[tell me again]

Yes! Lost in a Strange World. I think that video changed me. In fact I've been wanting to watch them again, maybe today. His enthusiasm is contagious and now he has me saying, 'I was so excited!' all the time. He inspired me to do some drawings after 10 years of not doing any artwork. Also, I'm a lot better at explaining things to people, because I understand things more.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Yes! Lost in a Strange World. I think that video changed me. In fact I've been wanting to watch them again, maybe today. His enthusiasm is contagious and now he has me saying, 'I was so excited!' all the time. He inspired me to do some drawings after 10 years of not doing any artwork. Also, I'm a lot better at explaining things to people, because I understand things more.

That's wonderful. :)

Has anybody purchased the dvd from his website? I don't think I'll be getting it as its a little expensive for me. I'm just curious as to whether he goes into further depth than he does on the online videos. Nassim Haramein is one of the few people who have inspired me the most, and though my left brain is a bit useless and renders me too lazy to join in with the scientific conversations here, something in my mind still grasps the overall meanings.

I want more of Nassim!!

[gooseone]

It was mind altering for me too :)
I once got some stuff from a smart-shop here in NL called 2CT2 and had a great expierence with it , it was like i connected differently with my brain or something.
When i was watching Nassim the first time my brain tried to connect again that way but didn't get there all the way or something :o , almost had me frustrated in a way ......
Anyway , it was a big wake up call for me :)
ow and i borrowed the DVD from a friend and he does goes in deeper to some subjects but a couple of things are left out, like bit with the sun (which i found amazing :D)

@ Jesta G , amazing stuff :eek:

[lostinstrangeworld]

What is the meaning of life? Is the planet some sort of university that we, gods and goddesses in training need to experience? Or is it just a matrix of neverending duality that we can only be free of if we escape vibration/creation and return to the singularity?

Can we get beyond "duality" and ascend to other realities where the laws of physics are such that we can somehow live without the dualistic cycles which we see here?

I'm just wondering whether anyone who has been into this area of research longer than I have has managed to grasp some deeper insights than I have grasped so far.

[jesta_g]

Is the planet some sort of university


You got it ;)

[lostinstrangeworld]

You got it ;)
:p

Well what about the singularity? Can I go back there and get some peace without being disturbed? :)

[jesta_g]

:p

Well what about the singularity? Can I go back there and get some peace without being disturbed? :)



you can do anything you want, consciousness is infinite :).

Essentially what we are to gain here with our collective "ascension"/"graduation" is the ability to "shift" consciousness/physical form from space-time (our "physical reality") to time-space (the "astral" realm).

Check out the science I posted in that Orb post.


Particular this part -

For the past four hundred years, traditional science has not considered human consciousness as an important thermodynamic variable in the study of natural phenomena or even science itself for that matter.
Instead its investigations have orbited around the metaphorical reaction equation -

MASS <-> ENERGY



... times have changed.

Psychoenergetic science expands on this equation to include human consciousness as an important thermodynamic variable in the study of nature.

"Let us not ask what consciousness is but instead ask what consciousess DOES." - William A. Tiller.

Consciousess manipulates information, whether via sums or products to get useful results, random letters to make words, mathematical symbols to make equations or the assembly puzzle pieces to form a larger picture.

Further for the past sixty to seventy years we have known that an increase in information content (in terms of bits) via a particular process in nature is quantitatively connected to a decrease in entropy, for the universe and,for the past one hundred and fifty years, we have known the master potential function of thermodynamics, which derives all processes in nature, is the free energy per unit volume or per "mole" of chemical species and, in this function, entropy is on par with energy.

With this we have the new metaphorical reaction equation, that governs psychoenergetic science is -

MASS <-> ENERGY <-> INFORMATION <-> CONSCIOUSNESS


Look where technology has brought us, we have built very large particle accelerators to collide streams of particles at high kinetic energy with each other in order to split some apart into smaller and more basic components so as to understand the subcomponents of all matter. Bare with me ;o)

In the now and in the very near future, we will use directed consciousness to manipulate information resident at different levels of reality in order to alter the properties of materials.

The psychophysiological principle and its three biofeedback examples -

"Every change in the human physiological state is accompanied by an appropriate change in the the mental-emotional state,conscious or unconscious, and conversely every change in the human mental-emotional state, conscious or unconscious, is accompanied by an appropriate change in the physiological state."


thus the strength of a humans intention field creates a thermodynamic force in the body that significantly exceeds an opposite sign force.

[fr0sty]

:p

Well what about the singularity? Can I go back there and get some peace without being disturbed? :)

i strongly suggest you watch this video
OSHO: Meditation Is a Very Simple Phenomenon - YouTube

[lostinstrangeworld]

:)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[lostinstrangeworld]

i strongly suggest you watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0peVQTdI3Yg

I get what he is saying, but his expression spooks me a bit, heheh. :D

[lostinstrangeworld]

Hey, it seems like Charlie Veitch has been having similar thoughts to what I have. Is life pointless then? Can Haramein save me, him and others from these melancholic thoughts? :confused:

From the Big Bang to Bill Hicks - With Love - YouTube

[yopp]

Osho???
:rolleyes: I am old enough to remember this guy and had many friends go off and get lost for years in that mess. There are many ways to learn to meditate.
There's no need for gurus. Its all right here, look within, ask yourself.
Osho Bhagwan was accused by Shanti Bhadra Jane Stork Jane Stubbs of brainwashing - YouTube

[branjo]

i strongly suggest you watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0peVQTdI3Yg

Very good I thought.

[barbitone]

David Wilcock is currently filming with Nassim for an upcoming film! Sounds wicked.....:D

This is a brief update from the Nassim Haramein conference in Joshua Tree, where I'm doing important business on-location for the upcoming 2012 Event Horizon -- which we hope to release at roughly the same time as the Sci Fi documentary 2012: Startling New Secrets comes out on November 8, 2009 at 9PM EST......

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/latest-news/514-brief-update-london-follow-up-and-nassim-haramein

[branjo]

Its good they are aiming to get it out at the same time as the "Oh no, its all over for us" version, but I would think this one wont be freaking too many people out.

I definitely look forward to seeing it, thanks bro.

[schroedingerscat]

David Wilcock is currently filming with Nassim for an upcoming film! Sounds wicked.....:D



http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/latest-news/514-brief-update-london-follow-up-and-nassim-haramein

It was inevitable that these two would meet up, eh? Interesting story about the floor warping during Nassims experiment.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Haramein is more rational than Wilcock; Wilcock goes by his own hunches on things a lot of the time.

[musten]

Wicked. It says "including footage", maybe is Nassim explaining how planets move following the sun and so on. But that title of "Sci Fi documentary" makes all a joke. I hope they don't mess up with orbs and stuff.

[jayelowell]

The knowledge is now mainstream.

[jayelowell]

David Wilcock is currently filming with Nassim for an upcoming film! Sounds wicked.....:D



http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/latest-news/514-brief-update-london-follow-up-and-nassim-haramein


hmmm...
http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/nov8_sixth_night.htm

[sadukan]

On the Sci-Fi thing...

UFO's exist - we just don't know what they are!!!!

"Identified as unidentified" is a bit too paradoxical for me.

sadukan. :rolleyes:

"over it is 19 (http://www.virtuescience.com/19.html)"[74:30]
(DiYu - 18 Levels of Hell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyu#Eighteen_levels_of_Hell))
Philip LeMarchand (http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/)
http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/LamentTN.jpg
Go (game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[noewhan]

Bump.

This series is great:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[strangeinlostworld]

If anyone finds out where that David Wilcock and Nassim Haramein thing can be seen, do keep us updated. :)

[branjo]

Bump.

This series is great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM5dnkS7y5Q

I still can't believe how much this video changed the way I thought about things when I first saw it. 8 hours is a long time to be glued to something, I dunno maybe there was gluons involved :D lol.

[kingmob]

Nassim needs to keep that twat DAvid Wilcock as far away from himself as possible. David Wilcock sucks huge donkey balls.

[gooseone]

Wow !
Where's that coming from ?
Do you have a problem with someone not explaining the whole truth or something ? Or does it not fit your thoughts ? Has he aggrevated you personally ?.
I watched a couple of his lectures and found a lot of stuff that was really worth thinking about that i hadn't seen anywhere else before. For me that makes me appreciate this guy a lot.
Where are you coming from ?

[vygalynn]

I always wondered if,like Nassim said there's the same singularity in our heart as that in the atom,we are experiencing the same gravity effects as the atom.
The same singularity at the center of our Milky way is causing some pretty "awesome" dynamics but if everything has some kind of singularity at it's center(rock,apple,human) why are we not seeing "awesome" stuff happening to that rock or apple

[gooseone]

Because people are used to it :)
don't you think it's special an apple grows and the dynamic in how it does that ?
(Just look a bit closer , cut an apple in halve , look at it , eat a bit of , look at the seeds within it (don't recommend eating those:D), imagine how it starts to grow from the tree)
Don't you think it's amazing to be in the middle of it all and look one way at all the atoms and look at the other at an exploding star and realise how fortunate we are to have the ability to pass judgement/feel these things ?
It's like people want to see other people with super powers or something when they can't even see everybody already has them :(.

[jesta_g]

It's like people want to see other people with super powers or something when they can't even see everybody already has them :(.



beautifully said.

[noewhan]

Some paraphrases of Nassim -

'We live inside a black hole.'
'The sub-atomic particles are all black holes spinning at the speed of light.'
'You are a reflection of another world looking back at itself - that's the feedback of reality.'
'The structure of reality is fractal.'
'The problem with hologram/reality theory is that there's no mathematics to back it up. It's a good analogy for reality.'

Keep in mind, he says it's all theory - but he's also under 'peer review' and he's apparently going well. Hoagland calls 'peer review' - 'sneer review'.

Wilcox in my view is just explaining his way of seeing reality - as with Nassim.

[ozpixie]

I am disappointed to hear that he has teamed up with Wilcock.

[branjo]

I don't think it posses a problem with Nassim and Wilcock talking. Wilcock has a heck of a lot of contacts for Nassim to use to spread his information. Plus Nassim has some hard scientific information for wilcock to focus on. I think they could balance out into a good project.

[musten]

I am disappointed to hear that he has teamed up with Wilcock.

I'm agree. For me, and I know that for other people too, that Wildcock is just a demon's speaker.

[barbitone]

I am disappointed to hear that he has teamed up with Wilcock.

Teaming up? Where does it say that? As far as I was aware Wilcock was just interviewing him....:confused:


I'm agree. For me, and I know that for other people too, that Wildcock is just a demon's speaker.

:confused:

[strangeinlostworld]

Teaming up? Where does it say that? As far as I was aware Wilcock was just interviewing him....:confused:




:confused:

That's what I thought.

[vygalynn]

Some paraphrases of Nassim -

'We live inside a black hole.'
'The sub-atomic particles are all black holes spinning at the speed of light.'
'You are a reflection of another world looking back at itself - that's the feedback of reality.'
'The structure of reality is fractal.'
'The problem with hologram/reality theory is that there's no mathematics to back it up. It's a good analogy for reality.'

Keep in mind, he says it's all theory - but he's also under 'peer review' and he's apparently going well. Hoagland calls 'peer review' - 'sneer review'.

Wilcox in my view is just explaining his way of seeing reality - as with Nassim.

Then what about the quantum mechanics.I mean all the experiments that were done(quantum entanglement,the communication between atoms,teleporting particles,the role of the observer) surely somehow ties with Nassim's research.Or he denies QM(along with string theory) as a whole?



Because people are used to it
You know,synchronicity is a funny little bear.Several hours after I posted my previous message I stumbled on this video
http://i33.tinypic.com/mkb0hy.jpg
Scientific Evidence for a Connection between Mind and Matter 3 of 7 - YouTube

[gooseone]

Great stuff :)
Im starting to think of the way living things work as a zero point with a radiating Rodin torus around it and a Schauberger vortex running through it.

I think that when people start to see it this way and start to search for the missing part when they see a zero point without a vortex/rodin torus without zero point etc..science might get a bit more interesting.

Ashame i'm not one of em :D

[branjo]

Good Vid, really enjoyed it. Its amazing to me how some will just say its all BS and that consciousness is a fairytale.

I personally have been on a little quest to find a non fluoridated water that I can rely on, without much luck. So more and more when I am filling my coffee pot in the mornings I am thinking how the water coming out of the tap is dangerous to me and basically how much I dislike it. Well after a couple of weeks thinking like this the cups of coffee would make my stomach hurt a lot quicker, and it dawned on me that water is our life source in every way, and by showing contempt for it as it was coming out of the tap I was in effect 'consciously cursing' the water.

A while ago I watched the George Kavassilas lecture and he said to make a point of blessing everything you put in your body, including your water and even your cup of coffee, or even if you are eating pizza, it didn't really matter what.

And I swear that the few days after seeing it I focused on the water coming out of the tap with appreciation instead of being suspicious of it, and I noticed it wasn't making my stomach hurt anymore until I had at least my 4th cup, on an empty stomach of course, I am a bit of a coffee junkie.

But the mere fact this is indeed a scientific fact that water and I suppose everything is a consciousness receiver and transmitter then the giving thanks at the dinner table, needn't be associated with a religious mind. Just a simple thank you can go a very long way indeed. Maybe this is the slow decline of the health of people, by the slow decline of families eating together and giving thanks for the food they eat at the table together. While most people would associate saying grace has been a religious kind of act and with religion imho being on its way out, so is the things that we feel are connected with it.

We are what we eat after all, this includes the emotion we consume or develop while we are eating. Its all just conscious intent, if you feel bad for eating chocolate then the negative emotion makes you feel guilty and depression can be a factor.

I dunno, the info video is very relevant to everything that we are discussing here. Like the space/aether is waiting for the input from the consciousness to prepare the future for the person transporting through it atom by atom. We make our own future by what we send consciously into the aether and it makes happen what it receives, The law of attraction.

[noewhan]

Then what about the quantum mechanics.I mean all the experiments that were done(quantum entanglement,the communication between atoms,teleporting particles,the role of the observer) surely somehow ties with Nassim's research.Or he denies QM(along with string theory) as a whole?


In this part & onwards (I think)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

He mentions how Quantum Mechanics is 'bunk' because those who created it just invented lies, deliberately.
I'm not sure of how much of it he disagrees with though.

Good Vid, really enjoyed it. Its amazing to me how some will just say its all BS and that consciousness is a fairytale.

I personally have been on a little quest to find a non fluoridated water that I can rely on, without much luck. So more and more when I am filling my coffee pot in the mornings I am thinking how the water coming out of the tap is dangerous to me and basically how much I dislike it. Well after a couple of weeks thinking like this the cups of coffee would make my stomach hurt a lot quicker, and it dawned on me that water is our life source in every way, and by showing contempt for it as it was coming out of the tap I was in effect 'consciously cursing' the water.

A while ago I watched the George Kavassilas lecture and he said to make a point of blessing everything you put in your body, including your water and even your cup of coffee, or even if you are eating pizza, it didn't really matter what.

And I swear that the few days after seeing it I focused on the water coming out of the tap with appreciation instead of being suspicious of it, and I noticed it wasn't making my stomach hurt anymore until I had at least my 4th cup, on an empty stomach of course, I am a bit of a coffee junkie.

But the mere fact this is indeed a scientific fact that water and I suppose everything is a consciousness receiver and transmitter then the giving thanks at the dinner table, needn't be associated with a religious mind. Just a simple thank you can go a very long way indeed. Maybe this is the slow decline of the health of people, by the slow decline of families eating together and giving thanks for the food they eat at the table together. While most people would associate saying grace has been a religious kind of act and with religion imho being on its way out, so is the things that we feel are connected with it.

We are what we eat after all, this includes the emotion we consume or develop while we are eating. Its all just conscious intent, if you feel bad for eating chocolate then the negative emotion makes you feel guilty and depression can be a factor.

I dunno, the info video is very relevant to everything that we are discussing here. Like the space/aether is waiting for the input from the consciousness to prepare the future for the person transporting through it atom by atom. We make our own future by what we send consciously into the aether and it makes happen what it receives, The law of attraction.

Nice. So you didn't audibly speak or do some hand waving etc, you thought of the blessing and it worked for you?
If so, just goes to show that thoughts can be powerful.

[deca]

will check thread out later...thanks

[vygalynn]

I dunno, the info video is very relevant to everything that we are discussing here. Like the space/aether is waiting for the input from the consciousness to prepare the future for the person transporting through it atom by atom. We make our own future by what we send consciously into the aether and it makes happen what it receives, The law of attraction.

Then what about the Akashic fields(records) mentioned in the video or the universal computer that prophets and seers allegedly tap into and can foretell the future.If we alone are NOW forging our own future then how can they predict events that haven't happened yet.

So the question is this:
Does the future already happened and we are just passive observers(like watching a movie) or each one of us is actually their own director and screenwriter.If the second option is true then all the people who claim to see the future are wrong.

[branjo]

Well the thing about the future is, anything is possible. To see a possible future is something anyone can do. To know a possible future can be all you need to know to make it happen. And if enough people here of a future they don't want to happen they could collectively prevent it from happening.

Nostradamus for instance predicted things that came 100% true, but the more his information became available to more and more people the less and less those things started to come true. Maybe the more consciousness is involved the more the future is subject to the will of the many.

Now if Nostradamus's predictions were kept absolute secret away from say everybody but the one person tasked with looking after them, and only brought to light after they happened then that would be a future that was predicted. But once you know a possible future you have all you need to change it, because each and every person is aware of a path they might have taken if they had no knowledge of the path to begin with.

For me it still comes down to freewill vs a divine plan. If there is freewill then telling the person of their future is actually changing the future by the action of knowing. And if there is a divine plan then seeing it wouldn't affect it, and it would happen as predicted.

[vygalynn]

For me it still comes down to freewill vs a divine plan. If there is freewill then telling the person of their future is actually changing the future by the action of knowing. And if there is a divine plan then seeing it wouldn't affect it, and it would happen as predicted.
This actually reminded me of that video interview Nassim did for Conscious Media Network this October.
He was saying that the the question was never Teh Chicken vs. The Egg or Free Will vs. Divine Plan.It was always both....
We've got certain amount of free will but all our desires that come true are actually coordinated with the rest of the individuals inhabiting this lovely planet.So I guess in a sense you're destined for example to save someone's life at the age of 26 but you're free to do whatever you want until that time.Or "pray" for a blue cake and receive a normal colored cake,it's not blue but hey...it tastes good

[branjo]

This actually reminded me of that video interview Nassim did for Conscious Media Network this October.
He was saying that the the question was never Teh Chicken vs. The Egg or Free Will vs. Divine Plan.It was always both....
We've got certain amount of free will but all our desires that come true are actually coordinated with the rest of the individuals inhabiting this lovely planet.So I guess in a sense you're destined for example to save someone's life at the age of 26 but you're free to do whatever you want until that time.Or "pray" for a blue cake and receive a normal colored cake,it's not blue but hey...it tastes good

lol yeah good point.

[vygalynn]

lol yeah good point.
I hope this wasn't sarcasm

[branjo]

No not at all. Its a perfectly valid explanation. Nothing is 100% "solid" in this game as they say :)

[yopp]

This actually reminded me of that video interview Nassim did for Conscious Media Network this October.
He was saying that the the question was never Teh Chicken vs. The Egg or Free Will vs. Divine Plan.It was always both....
We've got certain amount of free will but all our desires that come true are actually coordinated with the rest of the individuals inhabiting this lovely planet.So I guess in a sense you're destined for example to save someone's life at the age of 26 but you're free to do whatever you want until that time.Or "pray" for a blue cake and receive a normal colored cake,it's not blue but hey...it tastes good

I have been thinking a lot about this lately. To me there is just to much ego in the concept that we create reality in our minds. The "its all in your head model" doesn't really explain anything except ones individual experience.

I agree with the thought that it has to be both. To me I see the only thing we create with our minds is our experience of this life not life itself.
There is just to much complexity in even one blade of grass or a grain of sand for me to think I had anything to do with its creation. That said we obviously do affect our reality with our thoughts (i.e. synchronicity, creative visualization etc.) so what is it we are really creating?
I am thinking now that all things in the universe are in essence already created. Every single infinite possibility is already there as the substance of the plenum. The thing that we create is our experience as we bring our subconscious thought into manifestation through the magnetism of the thought itself.
I think of it as all is created by the infinite intelligence of the source mind of the universe which keeps all things in perfect order and in a state of constant creation. So out of this implicate order by the magnetism of our thoughts our perceptions manifest as a visible world around us. So our reality is in perfect order with the infinity of the universe. Our freewill creation is just our perceptions, our thoughts, everything else is created by the mind of the universe.

Seeing into the future can be looked at with the metaphor of folding space or space time. All possibilities exist only within this precise present moment. One can, in a sense, fold time and space to see into possible futures. This, as you say, does not make those futures a fixed certainty only possibilities. Freewill is the magnetic reality of thought. That causes your perceptions to manifest as your reality around you. Because of the vastness and timeless reality of the implicate order of all things. There are infinitely higher resolutions of time so one can see these if you can match the resolution of your minds eye to higher resolutions. The higher the resolution is the clearer your vision is.

Well I'm just thinking about all this I am not saying that's the way it is. Its just the way it looks to me.:)

[branjo]

Good thoughts Yopp,

Its almost like the sculptor who see's the statue in a block of marble, to him the statue was always there and he just removed the pieces. But once the statue is carved, it is now a reality. I feel this is similar to the concept of creating our reality, some may see it as if they can "change our reality" where as I don't think that's possible. Once its made, its made for good. We can only stop adding to it and change the future by changing the way we make choices in the present.

Its hard to look into the future and have things go the way you want them too, its like the woman in the Matrix said, "we cannot see past the choices we don't understand".

I sometimes get to talk to my Brother in law and he is drawn to Buddhism, he is not a strict Buddhist in the litteral sense but he gives me little things to think about.

We were talking about reincarnation the other night and he said, that its like we reincarnate a thousand times a day. With every choice we make we completely change who we are, you are no more the person you were 5 minutes ago than you were 20 years ago. In the physical sense this is true also, i can't remember how long it takes but your body can replace every single cell in a couple of years, you are physically not the same person.

It made me think if what Nassim meant when he was talking about teleportation while waving his hand from left to right. Every little 99.99999% space filled atom has to transfer that 0.000001% of information through space to the next atom, based purely on the belief of consciousness. By walking from one end of the room to the other, we could literally change who we are in the process. All it takes is for us to be consciously aware of the process of that transference of information from atom to atom, potentially we could maybe add to it or take something away from the information and simply allow ourselves to change. Like shedding an invisible skin as we walk.

[asha loka]

It's takes a rare kind of siliness for anyone to believe that what they think and feel puts them at the center of a universe which is 14 billion light years wide.

[branjo]

It's takes a rare kind of siliness for anyone to believe that what they think and feel puts them at the center of a universe which is 14 billion light years wide.

Who the hell told you how big the Universe is, lmao that's a good one. Oh I can't see further than that mountain so the world must end there...lol please.

Ironically "siliness", is wrote with two "L's" ie "silliness"...lol.

[gooseone]

Just some thoughts to think about.
I recently was driving in my car and while looking down searching for my fallen box of mints i suddenly saw myself doing a A-Team style barrel role with my car only to look up and notice i was in the middle of the road instead of the center.........
and about to hit an obstacle which could make me do that barrel role :o.
I'm starting to think everybody has the ability to see in a "predictable" future.
I now try to train myself when i'm a passenger with somebody in a car to see the future when al the brake lights before me light and i get anxious while just being a passenger , i think my mind uncounsiously sees the whole bad thing happen and that's why i can get anxious.
So the future might not always be clearly defined, and if i could see that, how would that affect others and am i not in the center of my own universe at that point ?
About conciousness , everything in the material world has at some point been thought off by somebody so actually our reality is made up out of solidified thoughts :), what does that say about nature :D

There's always more then meets the eye and a lot of it is in plain sight ;)

[branjo]

Just some thoughts to think about.
I recently was driving in my car and while looking down searching for my fallen box of mints i suddenly saw myself doing a A-Team style barrel role with my car only to look up and notice i was in the middle of the road instead of the center.........
and about to hit an obstacle which could make me do that barrel role :o.
I'm starting to think everybody has the ability to see in a "predictable" future.
I now try to train myself when i'm a passenger with somebody in a car to see the future when al the brake lights before me light and i get anxious while just being a passenger , i think my mind uncounsiously sees the whole bad thing happen and that's why i can get anxious.
So the future might not always be clearly defined, and if i could see that, how would that affect others and am i not in the center of my own universe at that point ?
About conciousness , everything in the material world has at some point been thought off by somebody so actually our reality is made up out of solidified thoughts :), what does that say about nature :D

There's always more then meets the eye and a lot of it is in plain sight ;)

Shit that's freaky, and I know exactly what you mean though. I do it all the time in the passenger seat while the wife is driving. I keep thinking of that damn movie "Final destination"...lol.

[strangeinlostworld]

I look forward to all future interviews with Nassim. I think I've been through all the ones on google and youtube. I can hardly wait for more to come out. :cool:

[yopp]

i can't remember how long it takes but your body can replace every single cell in a couple of years, you are physically not the same person.


I had heard it was every seven years that we go through an entire cellular change. Although I'm in agreement with Nassim's model atomically every instant is a completely new creation. Actually we are in a constant state of creation.

I really like what your Brother in law says about reincarnation Branjo. That's a very cool way to look at it. I have always been very drawn to the Taoist philosophy of letting go. I believe the persistence of our form from one instance to the next is basically like memory. We continue to self replicate in basically the same exact form with the only change a gradual degeneration we call aging simply because we can't let go of our preconceptions of what we are. It has been proven in science and medicine that if we change our minds our bodies and outside lives change as well. Not even DNA is a permanently fixed form it also has been proven to change.

Every little 99.99999% space filled atom has to transfer that 0.000001% of information through space to the next atom, based purely on the belief of consciousness.
I hear what you are saying here but I might word it a bit differently. I believe in Nassim's model the transfer is not from atom to atom. It is from atom to vacuum ( or as I prefer to say "plenum" ). The transfer of information is happening constantly without end via the feedback loop of the double torus manifold of space time. Particles blink into existence fully informed then blinking out of existence they are informing back into the plenum all the new information they gathered in their instant of creation. I think this is what he means by "a constant state of creation". All particles are constantly being informed as they are constantly informing. It is seamless.

Gooseone its great to hear that your resolution of perception is so clear.
I believe that the nearer the future is the more clearly defined it becomes. Only becoming certain in the very instant of now. Whats cool is that what your doing shows that its still movable even when its just seconds ahead.

You know I remember reading about a study of stimulus and response times of the human mind. They discovered that many people where actually responding microseconds before the stimulus event. It would seem that we are all very, very subtly experiencing time as nonlinear.

I think our belief in the material nature of reality is just like persistence of vision. Persistence of vision is why the unmoving pictures of individual frames of movie film appear to be moving as they flash on the screen before your eyes. Your mind fills in the gaps.

Asha its great to see you have not abandoned your critique of our little discussion. I wonder what it is that is out there at 14.9 billion light years. Is it like the shell of an egg or a fence maybe.:)

[gooseone]

Ah , persistence of vision
L ke eve y on ca re d wh t i'm s yi ng :D

btw , i also hope that there soon will be some new footage of Nassim , the guy
always seems to have some eyeopeners in store.

[branjo]

I hear what you are saying here but I might word it a bit differently. I believe in Nassim's model the transfer is not from atom to atom. It is from atom to vacuum ( or as I prefer to say "plenum" ). The transfer of information is happening constantly without end via the feedback loop of the double torus manifold of space time. Particles blink into existence fully informed then blinking out of existence they are informing back into the plenum all the new information they gathered in their instant of creation. I think this is what he means by "a constant state of creation". All particles are constantly being informed as they are constantly informing. It is seamless.

Yes you are 100% right, and you put into words what I actually was thinking, its atom to vacuum in a continuous loop, quite rightly corrected my friend and very well put. The way I put it just excluded the 99.9999%, and we can't forget to include that...lol.

[godgoo]

Is Nassim Haramein correct? My Magic eightball Says?

Absolutely :)

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi

[plainsight]

Here's something, skywalker9 in the Rodin thread posted. I think it's relevant to the scaling law: Same pattern (dynamics) of sonoluminescence on universal and micro scale: When the bubble goes supernovae, it's about a micrometer in diameter.

Source:Sonoluminescence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Sonoluminescence.png/800px-Sonoluminescence.png

http://learn.uci.edu/media/OC08/11004/OC0811004_StarLifeCycle.jpg

[mythmath]

Ultrasonic Levitation - YouTubeblazelabs.com sonoluminescence (http://www.blazelabs.com/f-p-sono.asp)
http://www.blazelabs.com/.%5Cpics%5Csonolm1.gif


Star in a Jar - Sonoluminescence.pdf (http://www.physics.ucla.edu/Sonoluminescence/sono2.pdf)

[skywalker9]

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Hey MythMath that link to blazelabs you put up is awesome, cheers man :)

The Sacred geometry breakdowns and matter states sections are awesome.

Ball lightning fluctuates from a sphere to a cube, then breaks down in complexity through platonic shaped stages! That is fundamental.

It makes me Imagine trying to stabilize some ball lightning with ultrasonic levetation and utilizing the radiated power.

http://www.blazelabs.com


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[skywalker9]

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This is the perfect modern scientific link with Ancient Sacred Geometry.

Blazelabs.com "Weyl, Clifford, Einstein, and Schroedinger agreed that the puzzle of matter would be found in the structure of space, not in point-like bits of matter. They speculated, "What we observe as material bodies and forces are nothing but shapes and variations in the structure of space. The complexity of physics and cosmology is just a special geometry." Perhaps it is about time we take such thoughts more seriously."

This particular page if understood can link in with the 64 tetrahedron grid and Rodin maths.

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-p-swave.asp

[musten]

Vortex in a bubble

[branjo]

Vortex in a bubble (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_nyypY3qMM)

Damn, that was actually pretty cool :)

[strangeinlostworld]

Vortex in a bubble (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_nyypY3qMM)

Yay, I used to love playing with bubbles.....that was cool!

[skywalker9]

Nassim was saying how modern science commonly teaches that extracting kinetic energy, energy that can be converted into work, from nothing is impossible. So that the study of zero-point energy devices has been forced into fringe science groups with little resources. But Nassim says that the Casimir force shows that there are electromagnetic fluctuations in the vacuum, some call them quantum fluctuations, meaning that the vacuum can be converted into kinetic energy with the right engineering. He also postulates that manipulating the vacuum energy might lead to finding repulsive forces opposite to attractive gravitational force. This link shows a recent experiment that has proven that attractive and repulsive forces can be utilized from vacuum energy. All of which first looked like just leading into Nano scale frictionless levitation drive for incy little machines, but now it looks like it can be done on a bigger scale.

Might be interesting, check the 'full nature paper' of the Nature magazine in the link.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.atomicforce.de/Bilder/Newsletter/cover_nature.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.atomicforce.de/Newsletter-2009-1.php&usg=__FSdYYpr4rkZiJN70T_9Pxob1WIA=&h=134&w=100&sz=8&hl=en&start=12&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=anuKjh23mfFlsM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=69&prev=/images%3Fq%3DCasimir-Lifshitz%2Bforces%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rl s%3Den-us%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

[musten]

Position of the Sun on the sky in the same time of a day during one year. (http://baszottbanda.blogspot.com/2009/11/i-should-say-it-is-most-complicated.html)

Analemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[jayelowell]

Position of the Sun on the sky in the same time of a day during one year. (http://baszottbanda.blogspot.com/2009/11/i-should-say-it-is-most-complicated.html)

Analemma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analemma) - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Amazing!!!! That photo is beautiful!

[branjo]

Now what can we make out of the figure 8 that its making?

Infinity? ;)

Quite stunning though.

[secondsun]

..infinity!

...edit: not quick enough on the draw there! ^^^^^^^^

[strangeinlostworld]

Position of the Sun on the sky in the same time of a day during one year. (http://baszottbanda.blogspot.com/2009/11/i-should-say-it-is-most-complicated.html)

Analemma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analemma) - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, cool!

[plainsight]

It's interesting that the sun "dips" even lower on the horizon, after the solstice. Very cool.

[jesta_g]

ExtraOrdinary Technologies Conference 2009 - YouTube

Giant Tesla Coils in Russia!!! Marx Generators for testing insulators - YouTube

[odth]

Hi Barbitone et alii.

In previous messages You mention a booklet about Rodin Math You are writing.

Could You share it in forum?

TIA

Odth

[anahata]

Position of the Sun on the sky in the same time of a day during one year. (http://baszottbanda.blogspot.com/2009/11/i-should-say-it-is-most-complicated.html)

Analemma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analemma) - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thats great, thanks for posting.

[skywalker9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGEUsZF9Ex4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Td--HItuoI&feature=fvw

Cheers Jesta, these videos are awesome :rolleyes:

[musten]

Interview (http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/nharamein.htm) at The Conscious Media Network.

[gooseone]

Thx for the link , great conclusion at the end :)

(not meaning the part about buying his DVD :D)

[plainsight]

Nassim is not the only one thinking about mini black holes.

http://www.universetoday.com/2009/05/14/is-everything-made-of-mini-black-holes/

[baxter]

Great thread, I'll check some of the recent vids when I get home :)

[noewhan]

Wow...

Nassim Haramein 35/45 - YouTube

[dumaree84]

I have started to write my first post to this thread and I’m only made it to page 75.

I have been truth seeking for a while now and I had many pieces of the puzzle before for years but only recently through people like Richard Hoagland, David Icke, Project Camelot, Conscious Media Network and Ben Stewart and many more.


I think a lot of the info was summarised well by Ben Stewart in Esoteric Agenda & Kymatica but I only understood Kymatica fully after seeing Nassim’s lecture and wow what a 8 hours that was.


This thread has been praised many times and I will join in praising this thread the amount of understanding between us all. We are trying to get to the same goal.


I will post this when I get to the end of the thread as I may have more to add. At the moment I have just put all the pieces to the puzzle together and I am trying to make sense of it I think I have and everything seems to be making more sense to me, I can now see the misinformation easier.


My question that I ask is the battle that is taking place within me, I understand that I can’t preach what I have learnt but only show people and hope they take an interest as they have to do it themselves. (I can only show you the door Neo etc etc)

Anyways the question I am asking myself is what now? It’s weird we all look for guidance and jump on what we believe is truth but now I am more enlightened than I was and now I feel I have come to find the truth which resonates with me my journey really begins.

I still want to learn more about ancient history and all the cool topics we discuss but I also want to strip myself of the EGO. I mean I am a slave to myself in terms of I am a product of this system which is set up to blind us. I know I can come through it as we all have come this far to educate an enlighten ourselves but I still drink alcohol (not as much as in university lol) I am trying to become more fit and feed my body with the right kind of things, I want to learn about meditation and I want to visit the many natural wonders of this world. I want to be able to love everyone and not be vain etc etc.


I feel limited by survival though as in I need to work in order for me to explore this side of myself. I have a girlfriend who will be my wife (in a few more years) and I want to enjoy life with her also.


I suppose its letting go of the world we are brought up in. So my question is what now? Or How do I reach the next step of enlightenment. Anyone else ask themselves these questions? Like I don’t want to wait for something to happen I want to rid myself of the false EGO through my own development.

---
UPDATE

I have read more of this thread and its great, I clicked through to one of Jesta G's threads on the pyramids and he was being challeneged by someone in regards to evidence. This person was saying that alot of things are based on assumptions not facts the whole alien technology and and alien interception.


I thought firstly it was interesting that someone was opposing the posts put up as everything should be srcuitenised but I also go the sense that the guy opposing him was yet to connect the dots or had a big issue with opening his mind to all possibbilites.


I think what we should not get carried away with is our own interpretations on all this research and evidence and allow the fact that at the moment it is just theory.


I am only on page 88 of the thread and im gonna delve into the law of one.


I am very sleptical about David Wilcock though and I think its because I am yet to understand his work fully. His stuff is very out there but I am yet to connect to it like I did with Nassim...

[gooseone]

Seems you atleast are on a path :D

The answer i have found for myself is to try and come in touch with my true feelings more and listening to them.
I am also trying to practice what i preach but it indeed isn't always easy.
It's easy to get sucked in again in this ego driven society and the way out of it
demands you to find answers which you'll never be sure of with the thinking mind :D

[pedsi]

Hi dumaree84

I enjoyed reading your post,have you thought about using entheogenic plants to help you find the answers to any of your questions?:)

[gooseone]

I'm just stating a thought here for the purpose of information.

Pedsi do you think artificially inducing the brain into creating natural substances
that can certainly open up different views for exploration, will be interpretated
in the right context ?

[pedsi]

I'm just stating a thought here for the purpose of information.

Pedsi do you think artificially inducing the brain into creating natural substances
that can certainly open up different views for exploration, will be interpretated
in the right context ?

Hi gooseone

Good question...

I found that the insights I had obtained through altering my conciousness by naturaly:) inducing the brain fitted perfectly with the work of Nassim.
You really understand how things really are at a deeper level.

As for the right context,you kind of realise that that is only abstraction,the experiences one can have,although I must add,not all the time:)are so profound you find it difficult to express it through language.

When you listen to Nassim talk of the total connectedness of all atoms throughout the Universe,through their singularity and intraction with the vacum......It's like someone has just explained coherently and made manifest in this reality the ideas and experiences you had with entheogens.
For me it was the difference between trying to understand and feeling that you know.

I beleive that these experiences are as natural for us to have as going for a dump in the morning is.

I hope this answers your question,I had written a much longer post and lost it:mad:

short on time:(

pedsi:)

[gooseone]

I have a tendency when i see suggestions about certain substances to
give a point of view...so far the replies i've got where very well thought out ,
which gives me the sense people here know what they're doing ;)

So it's all good :) , thank you for your reply

[norfolk boy]

Hi Dumaree 84,

Welcome to the path!
I believe there are 3 aspects to assimilating this new awakening.
1. learning how bring the truths you are discovering into your own life and live by them.
2. Understanding why our culture does not already live by these truths.
3. A couple of quotes sum up this one - 'its not life that is important but how you react to it' and 'lifes what you make it'. Dont know who said them or if I'm miss quoting!

I dont want to sound patronising - I have been in the place you are now - looking for the next step. I use meditation rather than plant induced revelation as Pedsi has suggested, everyone has their own path.
One of the things to realise is that the knowledge and understanding, model of reality and technology that Rodin, Haramein, Tesla, Laithwaite and many others are describing has been around for a long time. It is well known. Unfortunately it is suppressed in the name of commerce and power control. Try and understand the nature of this conspiracy as well as you can - but do not let it depress you.

Disconnect from the system as much as poss - all the little details like not going to the supermarket, using organic products, understanding the poisons in consumer products etc will make you feel better as well as saving your health. Use the job/need to earn situation for what it is - and make peace with that, but try to understand what is your 'true will' as Crowley says - find your talent, lifes work - and marry it up with your new knowledge.

If you're looking for the next step of enlightenment - you are already on it cos the drive to find it is it. Start to work on your mind every day - do some positive action to find /start/try out meditation, herbs or halucinogens. What ever the method just start to do it.
You are on the path - Peace.

[norfolk boy]

Hi Guys,

Aint been on this site for a while.
Got tired of looking for verification and science to prove what Nassim, Rodin etc are talking about. I dont think anyone on here understands the detail of the formulae themselves - and therefore the absolute theory - including me!
I'll trust my gut instinct and fundamental belief in Chaos theory to give a degree of credibility to what they are saying (a higher degree than the accepted 'norm' of mainstream science)
I cant get involved in the details tho - the underlying system and simplicity (and complexity) of the archetype is all. Someone said 'the devil is in the detail' - and they were right!
Want profound confirmation of the light and spirit in humanity? want a buzz and revelation as deep as any theory?
Watch 1 Giant Leap - What About Me? Chpt 4: Love and Need - YouTube
The one giant leap project identifies the human spirit and exposes the illusion that we are all controlled by nwo.
Relief and insight - enjoy, follow all the other links on youtube and get the dvds - feel good!

[branjo]

Good advice, NB.

We all basically know the truth about everything, we are so guarded against the simplistic explanations that sometimes we just plain refuse to entertain the idea that life, love and happiness just isn't that complicated at all.

We all get a phd at the end...lol :D

[jtstatic]

Nassim Haramein 27/45 - YouTube

Was just looking at his video, I like Nassim's lectures and he's clearly on the money with the pyramids being a lot older and built by some one more advanced than the egyptians we know of.

Anyway:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11550311/Thiaoouba-Prophecy-Ebook

Page 135 and 153, by whom and how the pyramids were built. They weren't ET's either who built them.. but long before existed civilization more advanced than us, both spiritually and technologically.

Anyway, I like personally like the idea more than the sun god theory, the information in the book also links nicely to plato's beliefs of Atlantis and other lost continents, such as Mu.

According to this pyramids were not a source of power (which would be how we'd like to think it) but the main reason was a spiritual tool to intergalactic communication connecting through earth grid, which was something only spiritually advanced civilizations could achieve.

It makes one think even more that we have a lot of work to do, to become once again what we have once been before..

PS. I totally agree on the devil is on the detail comment. There are signs everywhere that everything is a complete unified system, and I bet once we find the links it will be so obvious we'll be almost embarassed that we didn't think of it earlier :D IMO god is an artist after all, not a scientist. Beauty and love is what we should be looking for, those are the higher feelings. Not ambition or power.

[norfolk boy]

Jesta G - that extraordinary science/alien science link you posted was mind blowing!
Cheers man! Stunning.
Good to see Nassim getting published and recognised now.:)

[noewhan]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

This reminds me of that scene in 'Malcolm in the Middle' where Dui says 'Weeee!'

[dumaree84]

Thanks for all the advice so far,

I have been trying to grasp the law of one stuff and it’s a very big read but it seems to tie in with George Kavassilas. I actually cried when I listened to George speak because it made so much sense the whole structure of everything.

As I stated previously I am at a point where I am trying to grasp and understand the law of one books and make it fit with everything else, (I like to understand something fully before I can move on to the next piece of information) after I have finished reading this I want to learn about meditation and put it into practice.

Does anyone have any info on meditation which will be useful for a beginner?

[gooseone]

Might be taking this thread a bit off topic this way ...but
Law of One is indeed good reading (might want to check out the "Holy Grail" thread in Awakening section , also the "Hidden Hand dialogues" is worth checking out) , just keep in mind nothing is out there to be taken as a complete believe system ;)
My experiences with meditation have been quite simple , first i started to just "not think" then i started to try and "just feel" and now i try to visualize stuff.

I have a hard time visualizing going inside myself as Nassim recommends but i'm working on it :)
Furthermore , there should be a lot of topics on meditation here.
I guess the chakra's and kundalini could be handy to have some understanding
about.

[norfolk boy]

Hi dumaree,

I did a guided light body meditation course with a powerful healer. I found the healer first to try and sort out a feeling of desperation to 'move on to the next step'. He calmed me right down and gave me a feeling of peace after the first session. Also healed my partner of a lifetime of debilitating migranes - in one session. Afterward told me about a light body chakra visualization course that was 3 days a month for 3 months - you need amonth to 'bed in' the experience. I think the course was made into something special by the healer himself.

If you want to pm me I will pass on the organisation I used, (although I can't contact the healer I used any more) - they are pretty commercial though. You could visit some of their teachers though and see if there are any you identify with - or who do good healing. It all depends on the tutor/guide - with the right one this method can be powerful - it changed mine and my partners lives drastically.

[skywalker9]

Tribute:

"Nassim Haramein is a Champion!

[thedefender]

Just got into his vids and presentations. A good find and good source!

[baxter]

Watched his 4+ hour long presentation called Crossing the Event Horizon. Great viewing would defiantly recommend it to everyone :)

[musten]

The Phi Ratio and The Mathematical Fingerprint of God pt 1 of 2
The Phi Ratio and The Mathematical Fingerprint of God pt 2 of 2

[plainsight]

There's a good comment about Titius–Bode law in second clip. Some astronomers say it's purely a coincidence :rolleyes: that planets form such orbits. Maybe Nassim found the explanation.

Here's another "solar system", but at atomic level:
http://www.kennethsnelson.net/circ_sph/fig_17.jpg

http://www.kennethsnelson.net/circ_sph/index.htm:
"Examining de Broglie’s model more carefully I found another curious property, not really hidden but certainly never commented on. It actually came from Bohr’s solar system atom following the law that planets more distant from the Sun travel slower than those closer-in."

This is the SAME atom model, blazelabs are proposing:
http://www.blazelabs.com/f-p-prop.asp

[branjo]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. The Phi Ratio and The Mathematical Fingerprint of God pt 1 of 2

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. The Phi Ratio and The Mathematical Fingerprint of God pt 2 of 2

Excellent find Musten.

[mythmath]

Kinda reminiscent of your avatar, branjo...:p

[barbitone]

Kinda reminiscent of your avatar, branjo...:p

lol I thought that too...... it looks like the number 9 also:cool:

[godgoo]

There's a good comment about Titius–Bode law in second clip. Some astronomers say it's purely a coincidence :rolleyes: that planets form such orbits. Maybe Nassim found the explanation.

Here's another "solar system", but at atomic level:
http://www.kennethsnelson.net/circ_sph/fig_17.jpg

http://www.kennethsnelson.net/circ_sph/index.htm:
"Examining de Broglie’s model more carefully I found another curious property, not really hidden but certainly never commented on. It actually came from Bohr’s solar system atom following the law that planets more distant from the Sun travel slower than those closer-in."

This is the SAME atom model, blazelabs are proposing:
http://www.blazelabs.com/f-p-prop.asp

I suppose it could be described as a solar system only that is how the atom is represented. Really atoms are fuzzy quantized amounts of energy.. And this image makes absolutely no sense.

[godgoo]

There was an argument about this in another forum, the truth is it really isnt like a micro solar system, nothing like.

[the cosmos]

Funny how Nassim has been deleted from wiki. It certainly says alot.

[readmyredbook]

"Man is a gateway, through which you pass from the outer worlds of Gods, Daimons and souls into the inner world, out of the greather into the smaller world. Small and inane is man, already he is behind you, and once again you find yourselves in endless space, in the smaller infinity."

quote from my red book

[musten]

quote from my red book

Could you give us a link where we can download your red book, Mr. Jung? Thanks.

[skywalker9]

Funny how Nassim has been deleted from wiki. It certainly says alot.

Seems that some people with inferiority complexes can't accept that he is a notable enough person with any acceptable value to add to wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nassim_Haramein

[skywalker9]

There was an argument about this in another forum, the truth is it really isnt like a micro solar system, nothing like.

Thats a big claim man. So I guess its finished for you then. The cups full.

I will continue studying the fairly obvious link solar systems and atoms have in their structures. Many people don't understand the 'fuzzy quantized energy structure' that surrounds the objects we have called atoms. The Spherical Standing Wave Structure of Matter (WSM) in Space clearly shows that matter (atoms/molecules) are standing wave formations that manifest in the common medium of space. They are wave formations so they obey the laws of musical harmony, as do electromagnetic waves, and therefore there will be harmonic spacings within the structure of all 'quantized fuzzy energy formations' that follow a platonic spherical standing wave structure progression with Phi ratio scaling on all levels. I am looking into it because it fits with the observable patterns found in the structures of all material things.

'As above, so below!' Hermes Trismegistus

[readmyredbook]

Could you give us a link where we can download your red book, Mr. Jung? Thanks.

I wish I could my friend but I don't think it's on the internet just yet. I had to buy my own book for 116 dollars!

Anyways I will continue to quote it as it contains truths regarding many things that had not even begun to surface in public consciousness at the time of it's creation (around WW1)

The Conception of the God
On the second night thereafter, I spoke to my soul and said, "This new world appears weak and artificial to me. Artificial is a bad word, but the mustard seed that grew into a tree, the word that was conceived in the womb, became a God to whom the earth was subject."
As I spoke thus, the spirit of the depths, suddenly erupted. He filled me with intoxication and mist and spoke these words with a powerful voice: "I have recieved your sprout, you who are to come!
I received it in deepest need and lowliness.
I covered it in shabby patchwork and bedded down on poor words.
And mockery worshiped it, your child, your wonderus child, the child of one who is to come, who should announce the father, a fruit that is older than the tree on which it grew.
In pain you will conceive and joyful is your birth.
Fear is your herald, doubt stands to your right, disappointment to your left.
We passed by in our ridiculousness and senselessness when we caught sight of you.
Our eyes were blinded and our knowledge fell silent when we received your radiance.
You new spark of an eternal fire, into which night were you born?
You will wring truthful prayers from your believers, and they must speak of your glory in tongues that are atrocious to them.
You will come over them in the hour of their disgrace, and will become known to them in what they hate, fear, and abhor.
Your voice, the rarest pleasing sound, will be heard amidst the stammerings of wretches, rejects, and those condemned as worthless.
Your realm will be touched by the hands of those who also worshipped before the most profound lowliness, and whose longing drove them through the mud tide of evil.
You will give your gifts to those who pray to you in terror and doubt, and your light will shine upon those whose knees must bend before you unwillingly and who are filled with resentment.
Your life is with he who has overcome himself / and who has disowned his self overcoming.
I also know that the salvation of mercy is given only to those who believe in the highest and faithlessly betray themselves for thirty pieces of silver.
Those who will dirty their pure hands and cheat on their best knowledge against error and take their virtues from a murder's grave are invited to your great banquet.
The constellation of your birth is an ill and changing star.
These oh child of what is to come are the wonders that will bear testimony that you are a veritable God."

This is but the first mention of the new god and by itself it makes little sense, I will transcribe more later that will flesh things out a bit.

[readmyredbook]

"When my prince had fallen, the spirit of the depths opened my vision and let me become aware of the birth of the new god. The divine child approached me out of terrible ambiguity, the hateful-beautiful, the evil-good, the laughable-serious, the sick-healthy, the inhuman-human and the ungodly-godly.
I understood that God whom we seek in absolute was not to be found in absolute beauty, goodness, seriousness, elevation, humanity or even godliness. Once God was there.
I understood that the new God would be in the relative. If the God is absolute beauty and goodness, how should he encompass the fullness of life, which is beautiful and hateful, good and evil, laughable and serious, human and inhuman?
How can man live in the womb of the God if the Godhead himself attends to only one half of him?"

much more to come

[gooseone]

Maybe you can open a new topic about the redbook ?

[skywalker9]

Maybe you can open a new topic about the redbook ?

You would find a much more convenient place to express the red book in your own 'new thread', called something like 'Tomorrows Excerpts from My Red Book Today'.

[branjo]

I checked, there are plenty of torrents on that book - don't download them ;)

[readmyredbook]

You would find a much more convenient place to express the red book in your own 'new thread', called something like 'Tomorrows Excerpts from My Red Book Today'.

yes I think a new thread is in order. I will make it soon once i'm finished with some outside obligations that are holding me down ATM.

[jayelowell]

The Phi Ratio and The Mathematical Fingerprint of God pt 1 of 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBo0DlIhd40)
The Phi Ratio and The Mathematical Fingerprint of God pt 2 of 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On82Wy982Bg)
I am going to download the Auto-Cad app and try this out! Rodin spoke more about how he actually deciphered the name of God. It makes me think more about acient scriptures and how they store so much information. I am truly inspired!
...BTW Nassim is so humorous! He never fails to make me laugh.

[moonraker]

First off: Thank you Jayelowell, Jesta, and everyone on who has contributed info to this thread! I've been enthralled by all the info, and I'm up to page 154 of the thread, reading a page or three a day, exploring the links, absorbing the info. I watched Nassim's 8 hr. presentation a few months ago, and it's been a big shift in the way I feel about life, a new direction....UP! I more recently viewed Rodin's vortex based math presentation, and that is really amazing too.

I'm kinda overwhelmed now, because I have this desire to learn and read about so many things I've been exposed to here. So I find myself reading so much now - internet links/sites and books(just read Chaos by James Gleick), and wanting to go now go back to the university to study physics, math, chemistry, ancient religions, ancient languages, etc. Yet at the same time, I know that I should be spending more time in quiet mediation, balancing my body and mind with yoga, working on lucid dreaming, getting in touch with my life force energy, awakening my kundalini, and learning to follow intuition. There's just so much to do...while at the same time work a full time job, raise a family, and take care of all the other necessities of everyday life....ugh! where do I find the time...?

[moonraker]

upon Jayelowell's suggestion, I check out http://www.spaceweather.com/ often, found this very curious bit today...

CURIOUS EVENTS IN NEBRASKA: Earthquakes don't rock Nebraska very often. In fact, seismically speaking, it is one of the quietest places in North America. Nevertheless, on Dec. 16th at 8:54 pm CST, USGS seismographs detected a magnitude 3.5 temblor centered near Auburn, Nebraska:

"It sounded like those loud grain haulers that drive by, but about five times louder," reports Laurie Riley, who lives near the epicenter. "The whole house shook. My kids came running down stairs – they were scared. It even moved my car, [which was parked outside on icy ground]."

And then the really curious thing happened.

Minutes after the quake, around 9 pm CST, lightning-like flashes lit up the skies around the area of the quake. Telephones in police departments and TV stations rang with reports of bright lights, loud rumbles and shaking ground. Sky watchers, not only in southeastern Nebraska, but also in neighboring Oklahoma, Missouri and Kansas, saw a "bright fireball" with "green streamers" moving from northwest to southeast.

Could these events be connected? Nebraska State Trooper Jerry Chab, an experienced amateur astronomer who witnessed the lights and was one of the first to report them, says no. "I think we have the most cosmic of coincidences: A bright [meteoritic] fireball around the same time as an earthquake." Indeed, eyewitness descriptions of the fireball are consistent with a meteoroid disintegrating in the atmosphere. On the other hand, several readers have pointed out scientific studies that associate lightning-like phenomena (including ball lightning) with earthquakes: #1, #2, #3. The fireball, they suggest, might have been a rare manifestation of "earthquake lightning."

[jayelowell]

Your welcome! ...and thank you! I did have a look at that on space weather! I read that first the flash occurred then the sonic boom, then almost simualtiniously a 3.8 earthquake.

[jesta_g]

I'm kinda overwhelmed now, because I have this desire to learn and read about so many things I've been exposed to here. So I find myself reading so much now - internet links/sites and books(just read Chaos by James Gleick), and wanting to go now go back to the university to study physics, math, chemistry, ancient religions, ancient languages, etc. Yet at the same time, I know that I should be spending more time in quiet mediation, balancing my body and mind with yoga, working on lucid dreaming, getting in touch with my life force energy, awakening my kundalini, and learning to follow intuition. There's just so much to do...while at the same time work a full time job, raise a family, and take care of all the other necessities of everyday life....ugh! where do I find the time...?




Im in the same boat my friend, very lil time on my hands..... its beautifully chaotic.

Stick to workin on your mind, body n soul. this is all that is needed. Soon the information will come to you naturally. Nowadays I need only wake up n my day will revolve around the natural integration of knowledge while keeping to my personal path with few bumps to note.


As much as it may appear that this work/research/knowledge is what my life revolves around, on the contrary it really isnt. I to have a family (Im only 24) where im no longer with the mother so must balance cooperating with her while seeing my 1 yr old son everyday i can (we get along fine so this is not a problem).
Im in a heavy Metal band where we have begun tours and have a record label interested in us.
Im an artist where i am having to devote much of my time to my art which is eventually leading up to the opening of my own business. A shop/art gallery/function suite where the shop will sell mind,body,soul products (not in the cheesy sense) and promote new ways of thnkin and quantum sciences in relation to spirituality. the Gallery will be for artwork inspired by Geometry, sprituality, fractal paintings etc where at nights the gallery will be used as a function room that will be used for daily reiki, meditation, massage, NLP/hypnotism, art, music and lectures. I have many researchers and workshop hosts interested in holding talks with us. Currently working on business plans and investments my business partner and i have recieved the go ahead with our business.

Besides that I am also healing myself to begin my attunements for reiki healing where i go to weekly reiki classes, and have taken a very welcomed attraction towards studyin esoteric teachings learning/practicing Kabbalah, Tarot, crystology, Runes, Alchemy etc. Once mastered I wish to be a full-time healer assisting others on their "spiritual" path.

All this while maintaining my social life with friends and family, going out n partying and keeping myself grounded with life.

Persevere. Be the change you wish to see in the world.



PS - those that are interested next month ill be on a glasgwegian radio station talking about the subjects we have discussed across the haramein/rodin threads. particularly revolving round the current consciousness evolution process we are going through amongst many other things. Its a music station promoting upcoming artists etc and recieves alot of recognition. Theres more to go with this particularly the daily interactions I have where friends will bring their friends and more to my house to ask questions revolving around said subjects.
The awakening has long past started it is amazing how many people I have witnessed and met who are discussing and becoming aware of the information and knowledge quantum (spiritual) science and practice has to offer.

[jayelowell]

Upload some songs for us to hear and if possible upload the recording next month!
I thought you were Heavy into to hip-hop though!
Do you have a YouTube channel?

[norfolk boy]

Hey moonraker,

Welcome to the path!
What you are describing in Nebraska sounds like Haarp.
Good ol US military messing with Tesla genius technology.
Have you heard of Haarp? There is a major research/weapon quite near you I understand - am just about to rea alot more on this subject.

[always_rebel]

bump

[musten]

Off Topic: Reiki is well known as demons feeding. Seems to be becoming a well spread and paid religion. Reiki can only bring to you the demons realm, and crystology, fake healing, massages... are just their vehicle. Be aware of all of this before you get into (wasting energy and money) all of these manipulated and disgusting "spiritual path" demons empowering cults. Could be a better "spiritual path" than heavy metal, art, life, a son, friends...? I don't think so. Love and fun!

[neutral]

First off: Thank you Jayelowell, Jesta, and everyone on who has contributed info to this thread! I've been enthralled by all the info, and I'm up to page 154 of the thread, reading a page or three a day, exploring the links, absorbing the info. I watched Nassim's 8 hr. presentation a few months ago, and it's been a big shift in the way I feel about life, a new direction....UP! I more recently viewed Rodin's vortex based math presentation, and that is really amazing too.

I'm kinda overwhelmed now, because I have this desire to learn and read about so many things I've been exposed to here. So I find myself reading so much now - internet links/sites and books(just read Chaos by James Gleick), and wanting to go now go back to the university to study physics, math, chemistry, ancient religions, ancient languages, etc. Yet at the same time, I know that I should be spending more time in quiet mediation, balancing my body and mind with yoga, working on lucid dreaming, getting in touch with my life force energy, awakening my kundalini, and learning to follow intuition. There's just so much to do...while at the same time work a full time job, raise a family, and take care of all the other necessities of everyday life....ugh! where do I find the time...?


It's all great fun, i am the same raising kids full time job and all this info. My advise take a short brake. You can't be eating non stop.

Great thread :D

[gooseone]

Haven't seen this one come by
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/nharamein2.htm

:)

[jayelowell]

Location, location, location! ...or should I say rotation? ;)

EASY COME, EASY GO: Sunspot 1039 is about to disappear over the sun's western limb, but the sun won't remain blank for long. Another active region is approaching from the east, shown here in a Jan. 5th image from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory:
http://www.spaceweather.com/images2010/05jan10/latest_eit_304_full_strip.gif
The approaching region is old sunspot 1035. It has been transiting the far side of the sun since Dec. 20th. After all this time, is it still a dark (http://spaceweather.com/submissions/large_image_popup.php?image_name=Rogerio-Marcon-2009-12-19_1261242466.jpg)-cored (http://spaceweather.com/submissions/large_image_popup.php?image_name=Pete-Lawrence-2009-12-18_11-16-07_SF70ss_1261151735.jpg) behemoth (http://spaceweather.com/submissions/large_image_popup.php?image_name=Peter-Paice-Dec18-AR1035-montage-L-Paice_1261242613.jpg) or just a decaying tangle of magnetic fields? Monitoring is encouraged: solar telescopes (http://www.spaceweather.com/xtra/results_solar_telescopes.php?searchTerm=personal%2 0solar%20telescope).

[jayelowell]

Unlocking the Mystery - Tetragrammaton
In this video he speaks of a documentary "The Lost Tomb of Jesus"
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


Watch it!
http://stagevu.com/video/qpblmbyiupuk

[memboy]

hello everyone,i found this and thought it might be interesting,
please give your thoughtss..
http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider-2005

[branjo]

hello everyone,i found this and thought it might be interesting,
please give your thoughtss..
http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider-2005

Yeah the old "Hidden_Hand" thread, I think the original was on the ATS forum and he said somewhere in it that it was the highest forum of truth movement with the most subscribers and that's why he chose it, yeah and it gave ATS a hell of a lot of hits and basically new members are drawn to the site to make an account to discuss it there, I fell for it myself, made one post, realized it was the site that holds satisfaction in debunking higher than any search for truth, just a load of people asking themselves "ok what can we pull apart today" which can be useful but it can turn into a habit that leaves life looking pretty much like there is no real point in having a brain. Many a good thread gets totally destroyed by the inability of some people to think outside the box, basically this forum is following suit.

The common sense of it for me was the statement of the little window of opportunity to reveal all the secrets of the most secret thing on this globe. Like a show and tell of the elite, kinda doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me.

"We are a secret society, so here is all our secrets, we are a 6th density consciousness called Lucifer and we are not so bad really, we came to play the bad guy so don't judge us too harshly". I think the real sheep in the world are the elite bloodlines. They seem to be missing a vital part in their brain that holds common sense. There are those that claim the exact same thing in this very forum, once you immerse yourself in one form of information it tends to assimilate you to think, "you are the information".

Bottom line, interbreeding maybe fine and dandy for a while, but sooner or later your going to end up with a few retards with serious mental problems. And when they through their "born with a silver spoon in their mouth" lives, and have the ability to shape society, they make their own illusions a reality for more than just themselves.

I am sure there are people like that in all walks of life and we are all guilty of being taken with information that just hits the right spots for us, its unavoidable really but you have to know when to apply the brakes and say hold on a minute, yall are going off in a tangent that I didn't sign up for..lol.

If you read the thread you will not find any piece of information that could not be found out or pulled from the internet by someone who knows where to look. Some of it makes sense, and some of it is just clearly a power trip for a bored person with a god complex.

If its all true then I still don't subscribe to it, I was never a really good employee so I am sure I am not a productive slave either, maybe my only virtue is my laziness to give a shit sometimes...lol.

I think its good to have read and the whole point of it seems to be a leaning to feel compassion for the elite, probably just another twist of the knife though for a disciple trying to feel important, you can see him take the high road when ever he can, I won't answer your questions until you change your tone, trying to invent authority out of snobbery.

Now let me ask you a question, Why would you make your first post in this thread and on this forum about this alleged "insider", isn't there many sections in this forum that it would be better suited for?

[jayelowell]

Now let me ask you a question, Why would you make your first post in this thread and on this forum about this alleged "insider", isn't there many sections in this forum that it would be better suited for?X2

[jesta_g]

o0oo0o....


*NEW* Nassim Haramein - Phi Ratio Meets Vortex-Based Mathematics With Marko Rodin


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[cstewart1987]

Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth.-Gandi

why is this being ignored???

When i first read this i thought you were being funny, i think nassim is great also, but you should go into why you think hes good

fundamental rule here, is the ILLUMINATI are trying to use this info against us.:eek:

[sadukan]

Unlocking the Mystery - Tetragrammaton
In this video he speaks of a documentary "The Lost Tomb of Jesus"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdi7z2mL9gE
Watch it!
http://stagevu.com/video/qpblmbyiupuk


Lambdoma (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058523617&postcount=614) ???

sadukan.

"over it is 19 (http://www.virtuescience.com/19.html)"[74:30]
(DiYu - 18 Levels of Hell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyu#Eighteen_levels_of_Hell))
Philip LeMarchand (http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/)
http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/LamentTN.jpg
Go (game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[musten]

hello everyone,i found this and thought it might be interesting,
please give your thoughtss..
http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider-2005

Off-topic: A must read-understand. Thanks for your first post. You could open a thread for comments.

[jayelowell]

When i first read this i thought you were being funny, i think nassim is great also, but you should go into why you think hes good

fundamental rule here, is the ILLUMINATI are trying to use this info against us.:eek:Wow, I wrote that awhile back! Good quote though.:) I wrote it because when I first posted this thread it was not receiving the attention I felt it deserved. There didn't seem to be any intrest in his work. idk maybe it was because of the way I presented it. I was still a newbie and was just anxious to get the info out. lol

Touchie subject that there the Illuminati. I usally don't speak upon in but who truly is the illuminati? The enlightend ones? and do we become them once we fully understand reality? Who knows??? Could this information have been used against the masses you ask? Yes, I think It's highly probalbe. There is lost of information that ties in tho this work that Nassim did not even touch on, like astrology and planetery alignments "aside from the galactic alignment we all look forward to". For example; Have you guy seen 2012 secrect revealed by Richard Hoagland on the SciFi channel? In it he proforms a test using the inner workings of a acutron. His goal was see if the pyramid would change resonance when the sun was at 19.45 degrees from the earth. The moon had some part in the test but i'm not sure exactlly what. Guess what guys! The test proved accurate and the acutron went crazy. Look into it! Anyways these energies that were testest can be harnessed, correct? I believe they can the same way we can harness the powers of the innerself "micro" we can harness the power of the higher outterself "macro". Honestly, I think there are those who have known of these hyperdimesional energies 'as termed" and have used them and experimented with them in 3D. etc.etc.

[kasalt]

There's an interesting thread on another forum about Haramein's Schwarzschild Proton paper, worth checking out. It goes on for 9 pages. Pro and con sides are represented. In case anyone hasn't seen it, here's the link:

http://www.sciencefile.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1251881447/0

[musten]

It goes on for 9 pages.

Locked
LOL

[montag]

i really cant figure out why this thread hasn't received the attention it deserves!
What 2,222 responses and 230,000 views not enough? Fussy bugger!:p





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[jayelowell]

What 2,222 responses and 230,000 views not enough? Fussy bugger!:p
2,216 post ago it wasn't! lol;)

[schroedingerscat]

This article seems relevant to this thread, especially mentioning discharges from the Sun in relation to comets:
Electric Comets Re-write Space Science
by Michael Goodspeed
January 09, 2010

On January 3rd, 2010, the SOHO satellite captured images of a comet disintegrating as it approached close to the Sun. The comet was what's known as a "Sungrazer" -- comets whose orbits lead them very near the Sun. Although one would not get the impression from science news reports on the comet, Sungrazers present an unresolved puzzle for astronomers.

For many decades, astronomers have held firm to the position that comets are loose aggregations of ice and dust, typically characterized as "dirty snowballs." The very fact that some comets can fly so close to the sun before disintegrating seems a logical challenge to the dirty snowball model. In the recent TPOD "Sungrazers," Steve Smith points out:

Sungrazers tend to reaffirm the Electric Universe opinion about comets....Comet NEAT swung close by the Sun in 2003, apparently initiating a CME eruption that appeared to impact the comet. Astronomers at the time discounted any relationship between the two events because of the size differential between the comet and the Sun. However, several other sungrazers have been associated with violent flares.... When comet 96P/Machholz circled the Sun, it came so close that if it were composed of ice with a small percentage of rock and dust it would have certainly disintegrated. It did not rapidly dissipate, however. Instead, its intense charge differential caused a gigantic CME to discharge from the Sun, blasting out for millions of kilometers.

The truth is, almost all conventional beliefs about comets have been refuted by the landmark comet discoveries. On many occasions on these pages, and now permanently archived on the Thunderbolts Predictions page, we have compared the record of the "dirty snowball" model to the comet model of the Electric Universe. The most memorable of these predictions -- Wal Thornhill's series of predictions prior to NASA'a celebrated Deep Impact mission of 2005 -- received stunning confirmation, but no notice whatsoever from the mainstream scientific media.

Nor did the "astonishing" flare-up of Comet Holmes 17P in 2008 as, it was headed away from the Sun, provoke a reevaluation of comet theory. Indeed the history of comet science as a whole provides numerous examples of common sense losing out to pure supposition. The layman can simply look at the best images of comets and see that they look nothing like dirty snowballs. They appear to be burned out rocks with sharply carved relief, not the smooth ice balls expected from mainstream theory.

In the Electric Universe model, a comet is an electrically charged body. During its long period in the outer reaches of the solar system, it acquires a strong negative charge with respect to the Sun. Then, as it approaches the inner limits of its orbit, accelerating through the electric field of the Sun, it will begin to discharge to the plasma surrounding it, producing the familiar bright coma and tail.

The electric comet is thus tied to the electric view of the Sun:

The Sun has an electric field and interacts electrically with comets and planets, including the Earth;

The Earth, like all of the planets, is a charged body;

The Sun is not powered by some mysterious, internal "nuclear furnace", but rather externally by electric currents flowing along the arms of the Milky Way;

99.9% of the universe consists of PLASMA, a conducting medium that has been found to exhibit strong electrical properties. All of space is teeming with charged particles;

All evidence for the electric comet is therefore evidence for the electric Sun and for the electrical nature of stars.
A few of the more persistent comet "mysteries" are listed below:
Link to article (http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblogs/archives/goodspeed08/100109_electric_comets.htm)

[schroedingerscat]

This article, "Why Yemen is The Next War Front" talks about the Ark possibly being located there:
In 2001 I was the guest of the Yemeni government because I had accidentally made a discovery that I had no right to make. I discovered strong evidence that the Ark of the Covenant is buried in an archaeological site in a desert outpost called Marib.
The link (http://viewzone.com/yemenasitis.html)

[jayelowell]

This article, "Why Yemen is The Next War Front" talks about the Ark possibly being located there:

The link (http://viewzone.com/yemenasitis.html)
intresting theory!

[branjo]

intresting theory!

Very! interesting indeed.

There is little doubt that the US and UK are being used s like some sort of idiot running around a tinder dry forest with a lighter and a fascination for pyromania.

It doesn't look anything like the peaceful nation that is spoken to take control of this land. Israel reflects far too much on Jewish people and probably hardly any with a brain feel that Israel exists out of necessity to anything other but a bigger agenda that isn't being expressed in any honest or truthful way.

They probably think that they are doing the right thing by being this "peaceful" nation to take control of this land, but they are clearly going the arse about face way of doing it.

[schroedingerscat]

From the Yemen article, and from the author's interpretation of his translations of the stone texts... (bold added by me);
The Queen then "dimmed" her kingdom ... in Yemen and moved her entourage to Ethiopia, confounded her language to Himyaritic, a copy of the Ark was made and she allowed the buried palace and its courtyard to be consumed by the desert sands.

Then we have the story of the Templars, much later, also moving to Ethiopia with an Ark of their own.


http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/beehelicopter/treasury-arc-500.jpg

Treasury in Ethiopia, where the Ark is allegedly stored.

[yopp]

There's an interesting thread on another forum about Haramein's Schwarzschild Proton paper, worth checking out. It goes on for 9 pages. Pro and con sides are represented. In case anyone hasn't seen it, here's the link:

http://www.sciencefile.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1251881447/0

Ok so I was burning my eyeballs out on this forum trying to find a substantial critique of Nassim's work.

Did any of you guys get anything substantial out of this thread?

While the argument was admittedly over my head most of the time it also unfortunately degenerated into a group dismemberment of some one called FractalWoman and her rather incomprehensible theories. Their critique of her theory that the Mandelbrot Set represents a black hole made sense to me their critique of the Haramein-
Rauscher solution did not.

In the end all I got from their stuffy critique was that the the Haramein-
Rauscher solution might be wrong or at best it's an incomplete theory in the early stages of formation. (I don't think the hard boiled science folks on that forum would take offense or even disagree with me calling them stuffy. They probably even take pride in that fact) ;) I think their arguments for it being a poorly written and a loosely based theory sounded pretty good but then I am not a scientist or physicist.
I don't think Nassim has ever claimed that they have proved it is THE Grand Unified Theory everyone is looking for. I feel he has only claimed to feel that he is on the right track. Nassim has already said himself that this is where they are at with this. It is not (yet) the end all be all holy grail of physics. It may someday in the future prove to be the ground work for the final solution but it is, as Haramein and
Rauscher have said, a great work in process with very lofty goals.

I am not qualified to make any conclusions one way or the other. I just have always liked the way Nassim thinks and I feel he is really onto something great with huge potential.

I thought you would get a kick out of this quote here:
Re: Schwarzschild proton
Reply #144 - Dec 14th, 2009 at 5:47am
Let's face it, witter on enough about fractals/universal consciousness/black holes/white holes/grand unified theories/curved space and relativity and someone will listen. Produce some pretty pictures as well, and some idiots will pay for your DVDs. And you don't even have to do the hard work of actually doing any proper work, subjecting it to scrutiny, explaining etc etc. Just go all metaphysical, and the numpties on the David Icke discussion forums will lap it up....................


Then this guy posted this:

Re: Schwarzschild proton
Reply #161 - Dec 18th, 2009 at 11:54am
buckleymanor1 wrote on Dec 18th, 2009 at 7:38am:
Quote:
Before Einstein starts rotating -- what that means is that a classical theory of gravity is incompatible with quantum theory of matter. Not just we can't see how to make it fit, it can't be fitted -- we have to have a quantized theory of gravity. Hence relativity, not being a quantum theory, is fundamentally incorrect.

How does that make relativity incorrect.
Is it because quantum theory has been so rigorously tested and found correct.
Where as relativity breaks down at some point.
You could just as easily say that quantum theory not being classical wont fit with relativity and is therefore fundamentally incorrect.
Or does it run deeper than that ie. lack of experimental results using relativity as the premise as in L.I.G.O. etc.


The incompatibility of general relativity (not special rel.!) with quantum field theory (not "quantum mechanics") is mathematical. Primarily, it deals with what is called "renormalizability" (please look up the Wikipedia article for details).

We know the math needed to take a classical field theory (Maxwell's equations) and make it properly quantized. When that procedure is applied, the quantized version lets you do things like calculate the "self-energy" of an electron (that is, the energy stored in an electron's electric field), which should correspond to the electron's mass. The result is infinity. That's pretty bad. But, as was discovered in the 1950's, you can apply a rigorous mathematical procedure to calculate the same infinity a different way, then subtract the two (there is a well-defined meaning for that), with the residual being the electron's real mass.

This procedure is called renormalization. When it is applied consistently and uniformly to a quantum field theory (such as quantum electrodynamics, the strong force, or the electroweak force) all of the infinities are resolved in a common way, leading to finite predictions for various quantities of interest (masses, charges, energies, etc.).

If you now try to apply the same rigorous mathematical tools to general relativity (second quantization followed by renormalization), it doesn't work. The infinities don't subtract away properly.

The conclusion that physicists and mathematicians take away from this is that general relativity cannot be quantized properly, and therefore is unable to correctly describe spacetime at small (quantum) scales. It still works perfectly well macroscopically (at length scales from microns up to megaparsecs).

I've heard Nassim explain this process exactly as this guy did.

Here's my point.
Nassim has been trying to work infinity back into his model. So whether or not he has actually done that at least he is trying to and the rest of these stuffy intellectually unadventurous types are quite happy to remain "renormalized":cool:

[schroedingerscat]

Ok so I was burning my eyeballs out on this forum trying to find a substantial critique of Nassim's work.

Did any of you guys get anything substantial out of this thread?

While the argument was admittedly over my head most of the time it also unfortunately degenerated into a group dismemberment of some one called FractalWoman and her rather incomprehensible theories. Their critique of her theory that the Mandelbrot Set represents a black hole made sense to me their critique of the Haramein-
Rauscher solution did not.

In the end all I got from their stuffy critique was that the the Haramein-
Rauscher solution might be wrong or at best it's an incomplete theory in the early stages of formation. (I don't think the hard boiled science folks on that forum would take offense or even disagree with me calling them stuffy. They probably even take pride in that fact) ;) I think their arguments for it being a poorly written and a loosely based theory sounded pretty good but then I am not a scientist or physicist.
I don't think Nassim has ever claimed that they have proved it is THE Grand Unified Theory everyone is looking for. I feel he has only claimed to feel that he is on the right track. Nassim has already said himself that this is where they are at with this. It is not (yet) the end all be all holy grail of physics. It may someday in the future prove to be the ground work for the final solution but it is, as Haramein and
Rauscher have said, a great work in process with very lofty goals.

I am not qualified to make any conclusions one way or the other. I just have always liked the way Nassim thinks and I feel he is really onto something great with huge potential.

I thought you would get a kick out of this quote here:


Then this guy posted this:


I've heard Nassim explain this process exactly as this guy did.

Here's my point.
Nassim has been trying to work infinity back into his model. So whether or not he has actually done that at least he is trying to and the rest of these stuffy intellectually unadventurous types are quite happy to remain "renormalized":cool:

Yep, I read the thread... they seemed to be so busy destroying the messengers (Nassim's paper and Fractalwoman) that they never glimpsed the theories themselves. They didn't address Nassim's ideas at all, as far as I could tell, because the paper itself was not up to their standards.
I also got the impression that they don't want him to be correct, because then all the training and schooling that gives them their perceived authority in physics would come into question. So they made fun of Nassim's hair, then locked the thread.

:rolleyes:

[branjo]

Its always nice to see good honest subjective research employed by great minds eh?....lol.

[gooseone]

I have looked for substantial evidence for his claims for a long time.
Although i never saw anything that really debunked it , i gave up the search and decideed to go with my instincts.
That was really an eye opener for me , it seems everything has te be proven with a logical mindset and not taking into account our logical thinking is only a part of the human body and can be a great tool to materialise thoughts but it sure isn't everything there is.
We humans seem to have forgot how to "feel things out" and even if we do if it's not backed up by logical evidence we tend to devaluate our feelings.
It's the same with ancient Egypt , we can only come up with a logical explanation we can understand at this moment in our time and taking our logical intelligence as a measure. Not taking into account a total different way of understanding they might have had.
I mean who here still knows very well what they did in their first couple of years after they were born ?
As soon as our logical thinking mind is in place it seems it gets very hard to understand anything without it

[jayelowell]

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[catfood]

Is he claiming to a Physicist? In the first video he clams that "we are building bigger and bigger particle accelerators to find smaller and smaller particles". If he was a real physicist he would know that you can not get any smaller than an electron.
An electron is a point particle and has no size you can not get smaller particles. I can only conclude from his lack of understanding that he is not a real physicist.

[branjo]

Is he claiming to a Physicist? In the first video he clams that "we are building bigger and bigger particle accelerators to find smaller and smaller particles". If he was a real physicist he would know that you can not get any smaller than an electron.
An electron is a point particle and has no size you can not get smaller particles. I can only conclude from his lack of understanding that he is not a real physicist.


Well that's that settled then, see you in the next life......bye

[catfood]

Well that's that settled then, see you in the next life......bye

Sorry did i Challenge a blind belief you had in someone, with a factual observation.

[branjo]

Sorry did i Challenge a blind belief you had in someone, with a factual observation.

Yeah, you're the best thanks so much.....bye

[branjo]

'What is remarkable about this new experiment is not just the clarity of the observation of the spinon and holon, which confirms some earlier studies, but that the spinon and holon are seen well beyond the region that Duncan Haldane originally conjectured," added Schofield. "Whether we will be able to control these new particles as successfully as we have the single electron remains to be seen. What it does reveal is that bringing electrons together can lead to new properties and even new particles."

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20090630234524data_trunc_sys.shtml

The experiment that this team used to test their breaking-up-electron hypothesis is also pretty interesting. The team had to get electrons into a very thin wire, take the whole thing down to near-absolute-zero temperatures, and then observe how electrons bounced between that wire and a close-by metal.

When the metal and the wire are near each other, the electrons do their "quantum tunneling" thing, and the scientists take measurements under a variety of magnetic fields to see what is happening when the electrons jump. These measurements eventually indicated that the jumping electrons had to be falling apart into two new particles.

The discovery, detailed in Science magazine, has some pretty strange implications for particle physics, but it also might prove important in quantum computing. Quantum wires are used to connect components in a quantum computer, and these computers might have to account for the effect of these distressed electrons breaking into smaller particles. If nothing else, high school science teachers might have to put a new spin on the "indivisible electron" story.

http://io9.com/5327313/meet-two-new-quantum-particles-spinons-and-holons

CAN ELECTRONS SPLIT UP INTO SMALLER FRAGMENTS? Thousands upon thousands of physics experiments have never suggested that the electron is anything but an indivisible particle. However, physicist Humphrey Maris (Brown University/Ecole Normal Superieure, maris@holley.physics.brown.edu, 401-863-2185) proposes that a split-up of electrons into two or more fragments would best explain decades of puzzling results in liquid helium experiments. In these experiments, conducted most actively in the 1960s and 1970s, one phenomenon is well established: Injecting an electron into liquid helium can cause a tiny bubble (approximately 40 angstroms wide) to form around it. Shining light on such bubbles, researchers expected the electrons to escape and zip out of the helium. Not only did they fail to detect such electrons, but other experimenters observed the creation of charged particles, never successfully identified.

Now, Maris proposes a radical explanation: the light causes the electron to break up into two or more pieces, which he terms "electrinos." Fractional charge carriers have been observed before (Update 335), but those are "quasiparticles" resulting from collective actions of many charged particles. In contrast, the electrinos would result from the breakup of single electrons and act as real particles. This split-up, according to Maris, would arise from the quantum ability of electrons--and all matter--to act in some situations not as particles but as waves. According to his picture, light causes the bubble to oscillate in size. Eventually, the oscillating bubble would splinter into multiple bubbles, each carrying part of the electron wave.

http://www.aip.org/pnu/2000/split/pnu501-1.htm

The only answer

Both groups announced their results in September 1997. And each set of experiments clearly reflected the presence of current-carrying units bearing a third of an electron charge. "Laughlin's idea of quasiparticles is really the only plausible way to explain the results," Girvin points out. "Attempting any other explanation becomes impossibly difficult. Between these experiments and Goldman's, there is no reason for anyone to doubt that we have direct observational evidence that quasiparticles exist."

The two tests detected the one-third charge because this is the easiest state for a quantum Hall electron-vortex mixture to fall into, he adds. "In principle, at every rational fraction of electron density you could see a new fractional charge, which means that there's potentially an infinite number of fractional quantum Hall states."

Don't expect experimentalists to reveal them any time soon. In 1995, Goldman reported observing a one-fifth charge in a new experiment, but few will follow him. "In more complicated states, the energy difference created by adding electrons or vortices becomes less and less"-harder and harder to measure, Girvin says. "Therefore, the temperature to which you need to cool a system in order to make those measurements comes closer and closer to absolute zero."

To Kane, additional experiments will be less important anyway. "A matter of filling in the details," he says. That old pillar of certainty, the indivisibility of an electron's charge, is lying in the dust. Who knows what tantalising gaps in physics' edifice of ideas may open next.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg15721195.400-splitting-the-electron.html?page=1


And I know fuck all about particle physics, but I can use google though.

[energy_]

Is he claiming to a Physicist? In the first video he clams that "we are building bigger and bigger particle accelerators to find smaller and smaller particles". If he was a real physicist he would know that you can not get any smaller than an electron.
An electron is a point particle and has no size you can not get smaller particles. I can only conclude from his lack of understanding that he is not a real physicist.

and you claim this based on what? so youo are sayin that universe goes to the electron size, and then quits?! its waaaaaay to small, let's stop here. Dude, include some logic in you thinking.

[gooseone]

I have looked for substantial evidence for his claims for a long time.
Although i never saw anything that really debunked it , i gave up the search and decideed to go with my instincts.
That was really an eye opener for me , it seems everything has te be proven with a logical mindset and not taking into account our logical thinking is only a part of the human body and can be a great tool to materialise thoughts but it sure isn't everything there is.
We humans seem to have forgot how to "feel things out" and even if we do if it's not backed up by logical evidence we tend to devaluate our feelings.
It's the same with ancient Egypt , we can only come up with a logical explanation we can understand at this moment in our time and taking our logical intelligence as a measure. Not taking into account a total different way of understanding they might have had.
I mean who here still knows very well what they did in their first couple of years after they were born ?
As soon as our logical thinking mind is in place it seems it gets very hard to understand anything without it

Sorry people but it seems appropriate to quote myself here.
I am very thankfull for everything science has brought us and in everything material there is , i do however feel it is becoming necessary to try and contemplate a different way to observe thinking out of the box.
So many people on this thread have had profound "realizations" about what Nassim is saying and yet that whole "profound vibrating resonance" with somebody who is saying things which could bring us closer to how things work are completely nullified by lack of "logical proof".

[pedsi]

Sorry people but it seems appropriate to quote myself here.
I am very thankfull for everything science has brought us and in everything material there is , i do however feel it is becoming necessary to try and contemplate a different way to observe thinking out of the box.
So many people on this thread have had profound "realizations" about what Nassim is saying and yet that whole "profound vibrating resonance" with somebody who is saying things which could bring us closer to how things work are completely nullified by lack of "logical proof".

Therefor one has to ask,does it reside in the realm of unreality?

[catfood]

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20090630234524data_trunc_sys.shtml



http://io9.com/5327313/meet-two-new-quantum-particles-spinons-and-holons



http://www.aip.org/pnu/2000/split/pnu501-1.htm



http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg15721195.400-splitting-the-electron.html?page=1


And I know fuck all about particle physics, but I can use google though.

splitting a electron in to two other particles is not making two smaller particles, as i have said an electron is a point particle it has no size. You need to stop thinking of them as little balls, they are quantum wave forms and infinitely small.
Electrons belong to the Lepton family of particles along with the Muon, Tau, there own flavor of neutrinos and there antiparticles.
When a Tau is created after a collision in a particle accelerator it degrades into a Muon and gives off a neutrino then the muon degrades into an Electron and gives of a neutrino. All of these particles are point particles and have no size. Just vibrating packets of energy.
This is real information im not just fucking with you to piss you off. An electron has no size and you can not get smaller then nothing.
By the was i apologize for my previous post I thought you where just trying to provoke a reaction without adding any thing to the thread and i reacted badly.

Catfood.

[catfood]

and you claim this based on what? so youo are sayin that universe goes to the electron size, and then quits?! its waaaaaay to small, let's stop here. Dude, include some logic in you thinking.

What i am saying is that when you get to the electron size you are no longer in the realms of normal physics, You are dealing with Quantum physics and quantum particles. A quantum particle is not a particle it can bets be described as a wave-particle, more of a wave form that some times acts like a particle and sometimes a wave. Protons and Neutrons are not fundamental particles they are made up of three quarks (up and down quarks in the two different combination's) Now quarks and electrons are fundamental particles (vibrating energy just like Icke said) and are as small as the universe goes.

[sadukan]

An electron has no size and you can not get smaller then nothing.



"If a thing is finite - then not-a-thing is infinite...
...not-a-thing is nothing - so nothing is infinite."

We need to overcome this "wave/particle" duality.
And, I have just given you the tools to do so.

Like any paradox, a K�an - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia cannot itself be solved on its own terms.
Seek the "meta-koan" to solve them all at once.

sadukan.

PS "Dogon String Theory" says there are 266 types of vibration emanating from "Amma's Egg". Check out Laird Scranton's books: "The Science of the Dogon" and "Sacred Symbols of the Dogon" for more information.

PPS "E8 (mathematics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" anyone? (Nassim's IVM may be related to E8) cf. Garrett Lisi's paper - here (http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0711/0711.0770v1.pdf). There is also a TED lecture by Garrett Lisi on youtube - here.
NB - ignore the question asked at the end about the "size" of E8, since as an abstract object it has no "size". Q: How big is a sphere? A: As big/small as you like, yet always equal to itself.

PPPS I'd avoid using terms such as "point particle" or "infinitely small" - as these can only lead to paradox. btw, Physics (as it stands) has no claim to "truth" - it's all fudgefactor and always has been. Even the great fizzycysts of the 20th century knew this, and most of them would also call themselves "mystics" (I'm reading Ken Wilber's "Quantum Questions - Mystical Writings of the World's Greatest Physicists" at the moment).
Evenso, we are back with a map/territory duality. Isomorphic Map ("meta-koan") required.

PPPPS More on "isomorphicism" from the Marko Rodin thread - here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058467514&postcount=515).

"over it is 19 (http://www.virtuescience.com/19.html)"[74:30]
(DiYu - 18 Levels of Hell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyu#Eighteen_levels_of_Hell))
Philip LeMarchand (http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/)
http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/LamentTN.jpg
Go (game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[catfood]

"There is not a particle of life which does not bear poetry within it”
~Gustave Flaubert. :D

[catfood]

"If a thing is finite - then not-a-thing is infinite...
...not-a-thing is nothing - so nothing is infinite."

We need to overcome this "wave/particle" duality.
And, I have just given you the tools to do so.

Like any paradox, a Zen Koan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C5%8Dan) cannot itself be solved on its own terms.
Seek the "meta-koan" to solve them all at once.

sadukan.

PS "Dogon String Theory" says there are 266 types of vibration emanating from "Amma's Egg". Check out Laird Scranton's books: "The Science of the Dogon" and "Sacred Symbols of the Dogon" for more information.

PPS "E8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E8_%28mathematics%29)" anyone? (Nassim's IVM may be related to E8) cf. Garrett Lisi's paper - here (http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0711/0711.0770v1.pdf). There is also a TED lecture by Garrett Lisi on youtube - here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Gk_Ddhr0M).
NB - ignore the question asked at the end about the "size" of E8, since as an abstract object it has no "size". Q: How big is a sphere? A: As big/small as you like, yet always equal to itself.

PPPS I'd avoid using terms such as "point particle" or "infinitely small" - as these can only lead to paradox. btw, Physics (as it stands) has no claim to "truth" - it's all fudgefactor and always has been. Even the great fizzycysts of the 20th century knew this, and most of them would also call themselves "mystics" (I'm reading Ken Wilber's "Quantum Questions - Mystical Writings of the World's Greatest Physicists" at the moment).
Evenso, we are back with a map/territory duality. Isomorphic Map ("meta-koan") required.

PPPPS More on "isomorphicism" from the Marko Rodin thread - here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058467514&postcount=515).

"over it is 19 (http://www.virtuescience.com/19.html)"[74:30]
(DiYu - 18 Levels of Hell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyu#Eighteen_levels_of_Hell))
Philip LeMarchand (http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/)
http://www.pyramid-gallery.com/LamentTN.jpg
Wei-Qi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_%28board_game%29)

Thanks, will have a look through tomorrow. :D:D

[branjo]

therefor one has to ask,does it reside in the realm of unreality?

qft :D

[pedsi]

qft :D

Aye!!!!!!!!!:)

[gooseone]

Darnit ! How dare you place reality in a box in this forum section ! :mad:


:D